The channel that tells the audience every day that Trump won a landslide. That channel?
Indeed. Which is relevant.
You now have liberal US media - the NYT, CNN, 60 minutes - and Trumpite US media - Fox, NYPost - eagerly buying into the same narrative: there is something Out There. Plus Obama? Rubio. The CIA
What's more it seems carefully stage managed. The Navy video was leaked, within hours it was confirmed by the Pentagon, a few hours later Fox is up and running with a coherent (if surreal) take
Something is definitely happening, it's just quite hard to work out cui bono and WTAF
I wish these aliens would visit us in north London. Lovely part of the world. Yet they never show up!
P.S. UFO special report on NewsNight (straight up - there is!)
Helen Miller @MsHelicat · 4m Wednesday's i: PM faces backlash over local lockdowns #TomorrowsPapersToday
Here we go again. Tiers and local lockdowns. Be interesting to see the scale of Tory rebellion.
Local lockdowns don't work, everybody just goes to the surrounding towns.
I wondered about that. Will people in Glasgow just pop over to wherever is not Glasgow.
If the Government are going to start going down lockdown routes again, local or otherwise, they've got to show a damn site more evidence than rising case numbers and a small increase of people turning up in hospital. Especially as these things were assumed by the scientists within the "routemap", but the vaccines were meant to mean that in general the line would hold. At the last count Bolton had 18 people in hospital with Covid. At the peak(s) they had about 150. Wouldn't be surprised if their case numbers come down as rapidly as they've risen.
David Paton @cricketwyvern Replying to @cricketwyvern Daily admissions (as opposed to the 7-day average) drop to 59, lowest since 1st Sept. Deaths averaging the lowest since 7th Sept and both still falling.
But forget about that, let's continue the full-on scare campaign to persuade the Govt to delay lifting of restrictions.
I take it every thing was fine after the first of September last year?
This is the thing. Raw numbers are not that relevant for the long term, it's direction of travel. In September, we saw cases etc rising again and local restrictions by the end of the month. This time, nothing we do seems to increase numbers so far, in any significant way. Particularly we can't increase hospitalisations and deaths. And we know why: vaccination. I'm still happy to wait until 21 June - we have an unlocking road map with (just) long enough between each step to make sure that we're still good. But I'm really pretty convinced that we will be. I'd also be pretty relaxed if we did 21 June now, to be fair. There's enough evidence now on vaccines to be pretty sure we'd be fine.
Can't go any worse than the Jezza one, where the guy following him started off as a self confessed fan and they ended up banning him because he asked one toughish question and Jezza had a meltdown.
Keir ‘Interesting’ Starmer
Anyway he is already done a fly on the wall documentary series when he managed Whitbury-Newtown Leisure Centre.
It can’t be allowed to happen. Can’t his wife talk some sense into him?
I’d vote Labour if he promised not to make this show
David Paton @cricketwyvern Replying to @cricketwyvern Daily admissions (as opposed to the 7-day average) drop to 59, lowest since 1st Sept. Deaths averaging the lowest since 7th Sept and both still falling.
But forget about that, let's continue the full-on scare campaign to persuade the Govt to delay lifting of restrictions.
I take it every thing was fine after the first of September last year?
This is the thing. Raw numbers are not that relevant for the long term, it's direction of travel. In September, we saw cases etc rising again and local restrictions by the end of the month. This time, nothing we do seems to increase numbers so far, in any significant way. Particularly we can't increase hospitalisations and deaths. And we know why: vaccination. I'm still happy to wait until 21 June - we have an unlocking road map with (just) long enough between each step to make sure that we're still good. But I'm really pretty convinced that we will be. I'd also be pretty relaxed if we did 21 June now, to be fair. There's enough evidence now on vaccines to be pretty sure we'd be fine.
As discussed previously there also seems to be an inbuilt assumption that the current variant of interest is particularly dangerous. Just because it apparently is more transmissible. Transmissibility and dangerousness are not actually the same thing. What evidence is there even that the latest variant (as opposed to another one, perhaps UK variant transported by UK citizens - the traffic is not all one way) is responsible for all the deaths in India?
Can't go any worse than the Jezza one, where the guy following him started off as a self confessed fan and they ended up banning him because he asked one toughish question and Jezza had a meltdown.
Keir ‘Interesting’ Starmer
Anyway he is already done a fly on the wall documentary series when he managed Whitbury-Newtown Leisure Centre.
Fly on the wall documentary re: Keir Starmer COULD be quite riveting. IF they can find the right fly.
I didn't realise how deep in the shit Bill Gates was. He is deep in the shit.
Don't feel too bad for Bill Gates. Even after Melinda takes him to the cleaners, in WA State divorce court (no pre-nup & a community-property state) he'll still have a LOT of moolah.
Plenty to maybe even buy his own island! And invite Bill Clinton and Prince Andy for "conferences" on world "affairs" and etc, etc.
Gadi Schwartz @GadiNBC · 24m With Obama weighing in today & Rubio’s statements this weekend, you’ve got to hope the issue of UAPs has finally transcended questions of political partisanship. Whatever they are, they seem to represent an inflection point for society as a whole.
There’s been an assumption even from the likes of Lue Elizondo that the June report to Congress won’t reveal too much new but will be the start of a longer process that might reveal a lot in time. Could be Elizondo is wrong and that the Biden government has decided to rip the plaster off. Hard to think of a more obvious proxy to float something out there for Biden than Obama.
Let’s say “something”, whatever the “something” is, has been kept secret for many years and you’re right that there’s moves afoot to reveal it. The way I see it there’s two reasons for that:
1) It has been concluded it’s the right thing to do; or
2) It has been assessed that it’s about to come out anyway in an uncontrolled fashion (e.g. increased use of better drones or increased volumes of private owned space assets).
1 seems unlikely so I think you’re left with 2, especially if it actually is extraterrestrial objects. That would mean no mad rush to reveal EVERYTHING in one go, but a sense it does need to come out in a controlled fashion in the next year or two.
I'd go with 2 (of the two options)
See all the new drone footage, from around the world, apparently showing exactly the same thing: small weird aircraft, like silvery bullets the size of a smartcar, capable of incredible speeds - 9,000mph or even 14,000mph
Drone cameras - a new technology - may be capturing so much footage of UAPs that is no longer credibly deniable or debunkable
That would move the USG to control the narrative and get the info out first, so they look like they are "in command" of the situation
Also plausible
This is the footage from Utah. No one has successfully debunked it
It's a fast moving flying object that he thinks is travelling at 9,000 miles per hour.
But which I'd reckon is actually travelling at about a quarter of that speed.
Why? Because at 9,000 miles per hour it would be compressing a lot of the air it hits. The wave it would generate as it went by (and the air jumped back into place) would result in trees moving an awful lot.
My guess is that it's a grey coloured XQ-58A (which is the US government's fighter drone) travelling at a supersonic speed.
lol
Lol?
If an object passes through air at a high speed, it compresses the air that hits the leading edges.
The faster it's travelling, the more compression there is.
And the more the air spring back once the object has passed.
Something travelling at 9,000 miles an hour (if it's the size they say it is) would be compressing an awful lot of air. So, either
(a) it's not the size they say it is (b) it's not going at the speed they say it is or (c) it's able to avoid compressing the air it travels through
My money is on (a) and/or (b).
Edit to add: watch the footage again. The trees don't seem to even register its presence. Doesn't that strike you as strange?
At 9000 mph isn't the speed great enough that the compression heats the air enough to burn the nitrogen?
From previous thread, on pollution from driving versus walking, I've looked it up and it is a nonsense comparison - doing a full life cycle analysis (and taking pessimistic assumptions*) on greenhouse gas from food calorie production against only the CO2 emissions from burning fuel in a car for the equivalent distance.
I recall the PhD student being fairly convincing on this, but I probably should have pushed harder (still, it was only a mock more or less a throwaway line/reference in the introduction).
So, keep walking, folks
*damn scientists, tweaking the assumptions to get the answer they want!
This evening's Covanecdote: One of my colleagues got phoned by his GP surgery to come in for his second jab early. Just over the 8 week mark.
I'm still waiting for Bozo to get in touch. Tomorrow is 8 weeks and 2 days.
10 week anniversary for me tomorrow.
I'm having my AZ jab on Saturday. It was supposed to be the 27th, but they brought it forward. Presumably they are getting all the AZs out of the way to Pfizer the youngsters.
From previous thread, on pollution from driving versus walking, I've looked it up and it is a nonsense comparison - doing a full life cycle analysis (and taking pessimistic assumptions*) on greenhouse gas from food calorie production against only the CO2 emissions from burning fuel in a car for the equivalent distance.
I recall the PhD student being fairly convincing on this, but I probably should have pushed harder (still, it was only a mock more or less a throwaway line/reference in the introduction).
So, keep walking, folks
*damn scientists, tweaking the assumptions to get the answer they want!
FYI, returned about half a hour ago from WALKING to the store for some groceries. Like I've done every few days for a LONG time, before & during the pandemic.
SO how many other PBers do the same, on a regular basis?
BTW number of times I've ordered a food delivery from Amazon, Whole Foods, local grocery or anywhere else this millennium = zero.
Gadi Schwartz @GadiNBC · 24m With Obama weighing in today & Rubio’s statements this weekend, you’ve got to hope the issue of UAPs has finally transcended questions of political partisanship. Whatever they are, they seem to represent an inflection point for society as a whole.
There’s been an assumption even from the likes of Lue Elizondo that the June report to Congress won’t reveal too much new but will be the start of a longer process that might reveal a lot in time. Could be Elizondo is wrong and that the Biden government has decided to rip the plaster off. Hard to think of a more obvious proxy to float something out there for Biden than Obama.
Let’s say “something”, whatever the “something” is, has been kept secret for many years and you’re right that there’s moves afoot to reveal it. The way I see it there’s two reasons for that:
1) It has been concluded it’s the right thing to do; or
2) It has been assessed that it’s about to come out anyway in an uncontrolled fashion (e.g. increased use of better drones or increased volumes of private owned space assets).
1 seems unlikely so I think you’re left with 2, especially if it actually is extraterrestrial objects. That would mean no mad rush to reveal EVERYTHING in one go, but a sense it does need to come out in a controlled fashion in the next year or two.
I'd go with 2 (of the two options)
See all the new drone footage, from around the world, apparently showing exactly the same thing: small weird aircraft, like silvery bullets the size of a smartcar, capable of incredible speeds - 9,000mph or even 14,000mph
Drone cameras - a new technology - may be capturing so much footage of UAPs that is no longer credibly deniable or debunkable
That would move the USG to control the narrative and get the info out first, so they look like they are "in command" of the situation
Also plausible
This is the footage from Utah. No one has successfully debunked it
It's a fast moving flying object that he thinks is travelling at 9,000 miles per hour.
But which I'd reckon is actually travelling at about a quarter of that speed.
Why? Because at 9,000 miles per hour it would be compressing a lot of the air it hits. The wave it would generate as it went by (and the air jumped back into place) would result in trees moving an awful lot.
My guess is that it's a grey coloured XQ-58A (which is the US government's fighter drone) travelling at a supersonic speed.
lol
Lol?
If an object passes through air at a high speed, it compresses the air that hits the leading edges.
The faster it's travelling, the more compression there is.
And the more the air spring back once the object has passed.
Something travelling at 9,000 miles an hour (if it's the size they say it is) would be compressing an awful lot of air. So, either
(a) it's not the size they say it is (b) it's not going at the speed they say it is or (c) it's able to avoid compressing the air it travels through
My money is on (a) and/or (b).
Edit to add: watch the footage again. The trees don't seem to even register its presence. Doesn't that strike you as strange?
At 9000 mph isn't the speed great enough that the compression heats the air enough to burn the nitrogen?
Not that I know but is there any implication/relevance for film speed?
Gadi Schwartz @GadiNBC · 24m With Obama weighing in today & Rubio’s statements this weekend, you’ve got to hope the issue of UAPs has finally transcended questions of political partisanship. Whatever they are, they seem to represent an inflection point for society as a whole.
There’s been an assumption even from the likes of Lue Elizondo that the June report to Congress won’t reveal too much new but will be the start of a longer process that might reveal a lot in time. Could be Elizondo is wrong and that the Biden government has decided to rip the plaster off. Hard to think of a more obvious proxy to float something out there for Biden than Obama.
Let’s say “something”, whatever the “something” is, has been kept secret for many years and you’re right that there’s moves afoot to reveal it. The way I see it there’s two reasons for that:
1) It has been concluded it’s the right thing to do; or
2) It has been assessed that it’s about to come out anyway in an uncontrolled fashion (e.g. increased use of better drones or increased volumes of private owned space assets).
1 seems unlikely so I think you’re left with 2, especially if it actually is extraterrestrial objects. That would mean no mad rush to reveal EVERYTHING in one go, but a sense it does need to come out in a controlled fashion in the next year or two.
I'd go with 2 (of the two options)
See all the new drone footage, from around the world, apparently showing exactly the same thing: small weird aircraft, like silvery bullets the size of a smartcar, capable of incredible speeds - 9,000mph or even 14,000mph
Drone cameras - a new technology - may be capturing so much footage of UAPs that is no longer credibly deniable or debunkable
That would move the USG to control the narrative and get the info out first, so they look like they are "in command" of the situation
Also plausible
This is the footage from Utah. No one has successfully debunked it
It's a fast moving flying object that he thinks is travelling at 9,000 miles per hour.
But which I'd reckon is actually travelling at about a quarter of that speed.
Why? Because at 9,000 miles per hour it would be compressing a lot of the air it hits. The wave it would generate as it went by (and the air jumped back into place) would result in trees moving an awful lot.
My guess is that it's a grey coloured XQ-58A (which is the US government's fighter drone) travelling at a supersonic speed.
lol
Lol?
If an object passes through air at a high speed, it compresses the air that hits the leading edges.
The faster it's travelling, the more compression there is.
And the more the air spring back once the object has passed.
Something travelling at 9,000 miles an hour (if it's the size they say it is) would be compressing an awful lot of air. So, either
(a) it's not the size they say it is (b) it's not going at the speed they say it is or (c) it's able to avoid compressing the air it travels through
My money is on (a) and/or (b).
Edit to add: watch the footage again. The trees don't seem to even register its presence. Doesn't that strike you as strange?
At 9000 mph isn't the speed great enough that the compression heats the air enough to burn the nitrogen?
Quite possibly.
Here are my questions:
(1) Could an alien civilization achieve massively more efficient propulsion to enable objects to travel at previously unimaginable speeds, to accelerate and brake in ways that would appear to break the laws of physics?
Yes. If they exist, one would expect them to have propulsion systems beyond the imagination of man.
(2) Could said civilization create new kinds of surface that would potentially dramatically reduce friction as craft travel through the air or water?
Yes. But that's harder.
(3) Could they avoid the fact that they're ultimately a solid object travelling through air?
No. Ultimately their craft will have mass. And that mass will push up against air. There's no avoiding compressing the air as you pass through it.
And that's why I'm sceptical of the Beaver, UT footage. Simply, if the trees and things swayed, that would make the movement much more plausible.
Personally I think Batley will be a narrow Labour hold and Chesham and Amersham a narrow Tory hold, of course the more the Labour vote falls in the latter, the better for the LDs.
Incidentally a university contemporary of mine will be the ReformUK candidate in Chesham and Amersham
Gadi Schwartz @GadiNBC · 24m With Obama weighing in today & Rubio’s statements this weekend, you’ve got to hope the issue of UAPs has finally transcended questions of political partisanship. Whatever they are, they seem to represent an inflection point for society as a whole.
There’s been an assumption even from the likes of Lue Elizondo that the June report to Congress won’t reveal too much new but will be the start of a longer process that might reveal a lot in time. Could be Elizondo is wrong and that the Biden government has decided to rip the plaster off. Hard to think of a more obvious proxy to float something out there for Biden than Obama.
Let’s say “something”, whatever the “something” is, has been kept secret for many years and you’re right that there’s moves afoot to reveal it. The way I see it there’s two reasons for that:
1) It has been concluded it’s the right thing to do; or
2) It has been assessed that it’s about to come out anyway in an uncontrolled fashion (e.g. increased use of better drones or increased volumes of private owned space assets).
1 seems unlikely so I think you’re left with 2, especially if it actually is extraterrestrial objects. That would mean no mad rush to reveal EVERYTHING in one go, but a sense it does need to come out in a controlled fashion in the next year or two.
I'd go with 2 (of the two options)
See all the new drone footage, from around the world, apparently showing exactly the same thing: small weird aircraft, like silvery bullets the size of a smartcar, capable of incredible speeds - 9,000mph or even 14,000mph
Drone cameras - a new technology - may be capturing so much footage of UAPs that is no longer credibly deniable or debunkable
That would move the USG to control the narrative and get the info out first, so they look like they are "in command" of the situation
Also plausible
This is the footage from Utah. No one has successfully debunked it
It's a fast moving flying object that he thinks is travelling at 9,000 miles per hour.
But which I'd reckon is actually travelling at about a quarter of that speed.
Why? Because at 9,000 miles per hour it would be compressing a lot of the air it hits. The wave it would generate as it went by (and the air jumped back into place) would result in trees moving an awful lot.
My guess is that it's a grey coloured XQ-58A (which is the US government's fighter drone) travelling at a supersonic speed.
lol
Lol?
If an object passes through air at a high speed, it compresses the air that hits the leading edges.
The faster it's travelling, the more compression there is.
And the more the air spring back once the object has passed.
Something travelling at 9,000 miles an hour (if it's the size they say it is) would be compressing an awful lot of air. So, either
(a) it's not the size they say it is (b) it's not going at the speed they say it is or (c) it's able to avoid compressing the air it travels through
My money is on (a) and/or (b).
Edit to add: watch the footage again. The trees don't seem to even register its presence. Doesn't that strike you as strange?
At 9000 mph isn't the speed great enough that the compression heats the air enough to burn the nitrogen?
Not that I know but is there any implication/relevance for film speed?
These objects also do not trigger sonic booms and have no visible propulsion units or heat plumes - whatever they are they seem to have a new propulsion system
Can't go any worse than the Jezza one, where the guy following him started off as a self confessed fan and they ended up banning him because he asked one toughish question and Jezza had a meltdown.
Keir ‘Interesting’ Starmer
Anyway he is already done a fly on the wall documentary series when he managed Whitbury-Newtown Leisure Centre.
Fly on the wall documentary re: Keir Starmer COULD be quite riveting. IF they can find the right fly.
Gadi Schwartz @GadiNBC · 24m With Obama weighing in today & Rubio’s statements this weekend, you’ve got to hope the issue of UAPs has finally transcended questions of political partisanship. Whatever they are, they seem to represent an inflection point for society as a whole.
There’s been an assumption even from the likes of Lue Elizondo that the June report to Congress won’t reveal too much new but will be the start of a longer process that might reveal a lot in time. Could be Elizondo is wrong and that the Biden government has decided to rip the plaster off. Hard to think of a more obvious proxy to float something out there for Biden than Obama.
Let’s say “something”, whatever the “something” is, has been kept secret for many years and you’re right that there’s moves afoot to reveal it. The way I see it there’s two reasons for that:
1) It has been concluded it’s the right thing to do; or
2) It has been assessed that it’s about to come out anyway in an uncontrolled fashion (e.g. increased use of better drones or increased volumes of private owned space assets).
1 seems unlikely so I think you’re left with 2, especially if it actually is extraterrestrial objects. That would mean no mad rush to reveal EVERYTHING in one go, but a sense it does need to come out in a controlled fashion in the next year or two.
I'd go with 2 (of the two options)
See all the new drone footage, from around the world, apparently showing exactly the same thing: small weird aircraft, like silvery bullets the size of a smartcar, capable of incredible speeds - 9,000mph or even 14,000mph
Drone cameras - a new technology - may be capturing so much footage of UAPs that is no longer credibly deniable or debunkable
That would move the USG to control the narrative and get the info out first, so they look like they are "in command" of the situation
Also plausible
This is the footage from Utah. No one has successfully debunked it
It's a fast moving flying object that he thinks is travelling at 9,000 miles per hour.
But which I'd reckon is actually travelling at about a quarter of that speed.
Why? Because at 9,000 miles per hour it would be compressing a lot of the air it hits. The wave it would generate as it went by (and the air jumped back into place) would result in trees moving an awful lot.
My guess is that it's a grey coloured XQ-58A (which is the US government's fighter drone) travelling at a supersonic speed.
lol
Lol?
If an object passes through air at a high speed, it compresses the air that hits the leading edges.
The faster it's travelling, the more compression there is.
And the more the air spring back once the object has passed.
Something travelling at 9,000 miles an hour (if it's the size they say it is) would be compressing an awful lot of air. So, either
(a) it's not the size they say it is (b) it's not going at the speed they say it is or (c) it's able to avoid compressing the air it travels through
My money is on (a) and/or (b).
Edit to add: watch the footage again. The trees don't seem to even register its presence. Doesn't that strike you as strange?
At 9000 mph isn't the speed great enough that the compression heats the air enough to burn the nitrogen?
Not that I know but is there any implication/relevance for film speed?
These objects also do not trigger sonic booms and have no visible propulsion units or heat plumes - whatever they are they seem to have a new propulsion system
It looked fake or a drone to me outside chance a cruise missile however that flies - it's 100% not something extra terrestrial but it's great to be talking about UFOs on this mid May evening.
From previous thread, on pollution from driving versus walking, I've looked it up and it is a nonsense comparison - doing a full life cycle analysis (and taking pessimistic assumptions*) on greenhouse gas from food calorie production against only the CO2 emissions from burning fuel in a car for the equivalent distance.
I recall the PhD student being fairly convincing on this, but I probably should have pushed harder (still, it was only a mock more or less a throwaway line/reference in the introduction).
So, keep walking, folks
*damn scientists, tweaking the assumptions to get the answer they want!
FYI, returned about half a hour ago from WALKING to the store for some groceries. Like I've done every few days for a LONG time, before & during the pandemic.
SO how many other PBers do the same, on a regular basis?
BTW number of times I've ordered a food delivery from Amazon, Whole Foods, local grocery or anywhere else this millennium = zero.
I do. It's a 3 mile round trip to the nearest shop for me. Every other day at least.
Personally I think Batley will be a narrow Labour hold and Chesham and Amersham a narrow Tory hold, of course the more the Labour vote falls in the latter, the better for the LDs.
Incidentally a university contemporary of mine will be the ReformUK candidate in Chesham and Amersham
Jeez there you go bringing us all back to earth with your by election chat have you no romance in you, man?
Personally I think Batley will be a narrow Labour hold and Chesham and Amersham a narrow Tory hold, of course the more the Labour vote falls in the latter, the better for the LDs.
Incidentally a university contemporary of mine will be the ReformUK candidate in Chesham and Amersham
From previous thread, on pollution from driving versus walking, I've looked it up and it is a nonsense comparison - doing a full life cycle analysis (and taking pessimistic assumptions*) on greenhouse gas from food calorie production against only the CO2 emissions from burning fuel in a car for the equivalent distance.
I recall the PhD student being fairly convincing on this, but I probably should have pushed harder (still, it was only a mock more or less a throwaway line/reference in the introduction).
So, keep walking, folks
*damn scientists, tweaking the assumptions to get the answer they want!
FYI, returned about half a hour ago from WALKING to the store for some groceries. Like I've done every few days for a LONG time, before & during the pandemic.
SO how many other PBers do the same, on a regular basis?
Rarely - even a small amount in the rucksack has me sweating like a pig. Home delivery's been a godsend.
Gadi Schwartz @GadiNBC · 24m With Obama weighing in today & Rubio’s statements this weekend, you’ve got to hope the issue of UAPs has finally transcended questions of political partisanship. Whatever they are, they seem to represent an inflection point for society as a whole.
There’s been an assumption even from the likes of Lue Elizondo that the June report to Congress won’t reveal too much new but will be the start of a longer process that might reveal a lot in time. Could be Elizondo is wrong and that the Biden government has decided to rip the plaster off. Hard to think of a more obvious proxy to float something out there for Biden than Obama.
Let’s say “something”, whatever the “something” is, has been kept secret for many years and you’re right that there’s moves afoot to reveal it. The way I see it there’s two reasons for that:
1) It has been concluded it’s the right thing to do; or
2) It has been assessed that it’s about to come out anyway in an uncontrolled fashion (e.g. increased use of better drones or increased volumes of private owned space assets).
1 seems unlikely so I think you’re left with 2, especially if it actually is extraterrestrial objects. That would mean no mad rush to reveal EVERYTHING in one go, but a sense it does need to come out in a controlled fashion in the next year or two.
I'd go with 2 (of the two options)
See all the new drone footage, from around the world, apparently showing exactly the same thing: small weird aircraft, like silvery bullets the size of a smartcar, capable of incredible speeds - 9,000mph or even 14,000mph
Drone cameras - a new technology - may be capturing so much footage of UAPs that is no longer credibly deniable or debunkable
That would move the USG to control the narrative and get the info out first, so they look like they are "in command" of the situation
Also plausible
This is the footage from Utah. No one has successfully debunked it
It's a fast moving flying object that he thinks is travelling at 9,000 miles per hour.
But which I'd reckon is actually travelling at about a quarter of that speed.
Why? Because at 9,000 miles per hour it would be compressing a lot of the air it hits. The wave it would generate as it went by (and the air jumped back into place) would result in trees moving an awful lot.
My guess is that it's a grey coloured XQ-58A (which is the US government's fighter drone) travelling at a supersonic speed.
lol
Lol?
If an object passes through air at a high speed, it compresses the air that hits the leading edges.
The faster it's travelling, the more compression there is.
And the more the air spring back once the object has passed.
Something travelling at 9,000 miles an hour (if it's the size they say it is) would be compressing an awful lot of air. So, either
(a) it's not the size they say it is (b) it's not going at the speed they say it is or (c) it's able to avoid compressing the air it travels through
My money is on (a) and/or (b).
Edit to add: watch the footage again. The trees don't seem to even register its presence. Doesn't that strike you as strange?
At 9000 mph isn't the speed great enough that the compression heats the air enough to burn the nitrogen?
Quite possibly.
Here are my questions:
(1) Could an alien civilization achieve massively more efficient propulsion to enable objects to travel at previously unimaginable speeds, to accelerate and brake in ways that would appear to break the laws of physics?
Yes. If they exist, one would expect them to have propulsion systems beyond the imagination of man.
(2) Could said civilization create new kinds of surface that would potentially dramatically reduce friction as craft travel through the air or water?
Yes. But that's harder.
(3) Could they avoid the fact that they're ultimately a solid object travelling through air?
No. Ultimately their craft will have mass. And that mass will push up against air. There's no avoiding compressing the air as you pass through it.
And that's why I'm sceptical of the Beaver, UT footage. Simply, if the trees and things swayed, that would make the movement much more plausible.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Clarke's Third Law.
Gadi Schwartz @GadiNBC · 24m With Obama weighing in today & Rubio’s statements this weekend, you’ve got to hope the issue of UAPs has finally transcended questions of political partisanship. Whatever they are, they seem to represent an inflection point for society as a whole.
There’s been an assumption even from the likes of Lue Elizondo that the June report to Congress won’t reveal too much new but will be the start of a longer process that might reveal a lot in time. Could be Elizondo is wrong and that the Biden government has decided to rip the plaster off. Hard to think of a more obvious proxy to float something out there for Biden than Obama.
Let’s say “something”, whatever the “something” is, has been kept secret for many years and you’re right that there’s moves afoot to reveal it. The way I see it there’s two reasons for that:
1) It has been concluded it’s the right thing to do; or
2) It has been assessed that it’s about to come out anyway in an uncontrolled fashion (e.g. increased use of better drones or increased volumes of private owned space assets).
1 seems unlikely so I think you’re left with 2, especially if it actually is extraterrestrial objects. That would mean no mad rush to reveal EVERYTHING in one go, but a sense it does need to come out in a controlled fashion in the next year or two.
I'd go with 2 (of the two options)
See all the new drone footage, from around the world, apparently showing exactly the same thing: small weird aircraft, like silvery bullets the size of a smartcar, capable of incredible speeds - 9,000mph or even 14,000mph
Drone cameras - a new technology - may be capturing so much footage of UAPs that is no longer credibly deniable or debunkable
That would move the USG to control the narrative and get the info out first, so they look like they are "in command" of the situation
Also plausible
This is the footage from Utah. No one has successfully debunked it
It's a fast moving flying object that he thinks is travelling at 9,000 miles per hour.
But which I'd reckon is actually travelling at about a quarter of that speed.
Why? Because at 9,000 miles per hour it would be compressing a lot of the air it hits. The wave it would generate as it went by (and the air jumped back into place) would result in trees moving an awful lot.
My guess is that it's a grey coloured XQ-58A (which is the US government's fighter drone) travelling at a supersonic speed.
lol
Lol?
If an object passes through air at a high speed, it compresses the air that hits the leading edges.
The faster it's travelling, the more compression there is.
And the more the air spring back once the object has passed.
Something travelling at 9,000 miles an hour (if it's the size they say it is) would be compressing an awful lot of air. So, either
(a) it's not the size they say it is (b) it's not going at the speed they say it is or (c) it's able to avoid compressing the air it travels through
My money is on (a) and/or (b).
Edit to add: watch the footage again. The trees don't seem to even register its presence. Doesn't that strike you as strange?
At 9000 mph isn't the speed great enough that the compression heats the air enough to burn the nitrogen?
Quite possibly.
Here are my questions:
(1) Could an alien civilization achieve massively more efficient propulsion to enable objects to travel at previously unimaginable speeds, to accelerate and brake in ways that would appear to break the laws of physics?
Yes. If they exist, one would expect them to have propulsion systems beyond the imagination of man.
(2) Could said civilization create new kinds of surface that would potentially dramatically reduce friction as craft travel through the air or water?
Yes. But that's harder.
(3) Could they avoid the fact that they're ultimately a solid object travelling through air?
No. Ultimately their craft will have mass. And that mass will push up against air. There's no avoiding compressing the air as you pass through it.
And that's why I'm sceptical of the Beaver, UT footage. Simply, if the trees and things swayed, that would make the movement much more plausible.
All highly logical, and yet, Obama
Former Pres Obama comes on TV, yesterday (the timing!), and contradicts his earlier testimony and says Yes, we cannot explain these, they are genuinely mysterious and exhibiting confounding technology
(he obvs wasn't talking directly about Beaver, Utah, but the UAP behaviour in that video exactly matches eye witness reports from the US navy etc)
Why on earth would ultra-rationalist Obama do this, unless he has very good reason?
Whatever the answer, something Truly Weird is happening
Gadi Schwartz @GadiNBC · 24m With Obama weighing in today & Rubio’s statements this weekend, you’ve got to hope the issue of UAPs has finally transcended questions of political partisanship. Whatever they are, they seem to represent an inflection point for society as a whole.
There’s been an assumption even from the likes of Lue Elizondo that the June report to Congress won’t reveal too much new but will be the start of a longer process that might reveal a lot in time. Could be Elizondo is wrong and that the Biden government has decided to rip the plaster off. Hard to think of a more obvious proxy to float something out there for Biden than Obama.
Let’s say “something”, whatever the “something” is, has been kept secret for many years and you’re right that there’s moves afoot to reveal it. The way I see it there’s two reasons for that:
1) It has been concluded it’s the right thing to do; or
2) It has been assessed that it’s about to come out anyway in an uncontrolled fashion (e.g. increased use of better drones or increased volumes of private owned space assets).
1 seems unlikely so I think you’re left with 2, especially if it actually is extraterrestrial objects. That would mean no mad rush to reveal EVERYTHING in one go, but a sense it does need to come out in a controlled fashion in the next year or two.
I'd go with 2 (of the two options)
See all the new drone footage, from around the world, apparently showing exactly the same thing: small weird aircraft, like silvery bullets the size of a smartcar, capable of incredible speeds - 9,000mph or even 14,000mph
Drone cameras - a new technology - may be capturing so much footage of UAPs that is no longer credibly deniable or debunkable
That would move the USG to control the narrative and get the info out first, so they look like they are "in command" of the situation
Also plausible
This is the footage from Utah. No one has successfully debunked it
It's a fast moving flying object that he thinks is travelling at 9,000 miles per hour.
But which I'd reckon is actually travelling at about a quarter of that speed.
Why? Because at 9,000 miles per hour it would be compressing a lot of the air it hits. The wave it would generate as it went by (and the air jumped back into place) would result in trees moving an awful lot.
My guess is that it's a grey coloured XQ-58A (which is the US government's fighter drone) travelling at a supersonic speed.
lol
Lol?
If an object passes through air at a high speed, it compresses the air that hits the leading edges.
The faster it's travelling, the more compression there is.
And the more the air spring back once the object has passed.
Something travelling at 9,000 miles an hour (if it's the size they say it is) would be compressing an awful lot of air. So, either
(a) it's not the size they say it is (b) it's not going at the speed they say it is or (c) it's able to avoid compressing the air it travels through
My money is on (a) and/or (b).
Edit to add: watch the footage again. The trees don't seem to even register its presence. Doesn't that strike you as strange?
At 9000 mph isn't the speed great enough that the compression heats the air enough to burn the nitrogen?
Quite possibly.
Here are my questions:
(1) Could an alien civilization achieve massively more efficient propulsion to enable objects to travel at previously unimaginable speeds, to accelerate and brake in ways that would appear to break the laws of physics?
Yes. If they exist, one would expect them to have propulsion systems beyond the imagination of man.
(2) Could said civilization create new kinds of surface that would potentially dramatically reduce friction as craft travel through the air or water?
Yes. But that's harder.
(3) Could they avoid the fact that they're ultimately a solid object travelling through air?
No. Ultimately their craft will have mass. And that mass will push up against air. There's no avoiding compressing the air as you pass through it.
And that's why I'm sceptical of the Beaver, UT footage. Simply, if the trees and things swayed, that would make the movement much more plausible.
Could have some kind of energy based shield which reduces the mass of objects inside the bubble. The Alcubierre warp drive would need something like that to work.
Gadi Schwartz @GadiNBC · 24m With Obama weighing in today & Rubio’s statements this weekend, you’ve got to hope the issue of UAPs has finally transcended questions of political partisanship. Whatever they are, they seem to represent an inflection point for society as a whole.
There’s been an assumption even from the likes of Lue Elizondo that the June report to Congress won’t reveal too much new but will be the start of a longer process that might reveal a lot in time. Could be Elizondo is wrong and that the Biden government has decided to rip the plaster off. Hard to think of a more obvious proxy to float something out there for Biden than Obama.
Let’s say “something”, whatever the “something” is, has been kept secret for many years and you’re right that there’s moves afoot to reveal it. The way I see it there’s two reasons for that:
1) It has been concluded it’s the right thing to do; or
2) It has been assessed that it’s about to come out anyway in an uncontrolled fashion (e.g. increased use of better drones or increased volumes of private owned space assets).
1 seems unlikely so I think you’re left with 2, especially if it actually is extraterrestrial objects. That would mean no mad rush to reveal EVERYTHING in one go, but a sense it does need to come out in a controlled fashion in the next year or two.
I'd go with 2 (of the two options)
See all the new drone footage, from around the world, apparently showing exactly the same thing: small weird aircraft, like silvery bullets the size of a smartcar, capable of incredible speeds - 9,000mph or even 14,000mph
Drone cameras - a new technology - may be capturing so much footage of UAPs that is no longer credibly deniable or debunkable
That would move the USG to control the narrative and get the info out first, so they look like they are "in command" of the situation
Also plausible
This is the footage from Utah. No one has successfully debunked it
It's a fast moving flying object that he thinks is travelling at 9,000 miles per hour.
But which I'd reckon is actually travelling at about a quarter of that speed.
Why? Because at 9,000 miles per hour it would be compressing a lot of the air it hits. The wave it would generate as it went by (and the air jumped back into place) would result in trees moving an awful lot.
My guess is that it's a grey coloured XQ-58A (which is the US government's fighter drone) travelling at a supersonic speed.
lol
Lol?
If an object passes through air at a high speed, it compresses the air that hits the leading edges.
The faster it's travelling, the more compression there is.
And the more the air spring back once the object has passed.
Something travelling at 9,000 miles an hour (if it's the size they say it is) would be compressing an awful lot of air. So, either
(a) it's not the size they say it is (b) it's not going at the speed they say it is or (c) it's able to avoid compressing the air it travels through
My money is on (a) and/or (b).
Edit to add: watch the footage again. The trees don't seem to even register its presence. Doesn't that strike you as strange?
At 9000 mph isn't the speed great enough that the compression heats the air enough to burn the nitrogen?
Quite possibly.
Here are my questions:
(1) Could an alien civilization achieve massively more efficient propulsion to enable objects to travel at previously unimaginable speeds, to accelerate and brake in ways that would appear to break the laws of physics?
Yes. If they exist, one would expect them to have propulsion systems beyond the imagination of man.
(2) Could said civilization create new kinds of surface that would potentially dramatically reduce friction as craft travel through the air or water?
Yes. But that's harder.
(3) Could they avoid the fact that they're ultimately a solid object travelling through air?
No. Ultimately their craft will have mass. And that mass will push up against air. There's no avoiding compressing the air as you pass through it.
And that's why I'm sceptical of the Beaver, UT footage. Simply, if the trees and things swayed, that would make the movement much more plausible.
All highly logical, and yet, Obama
Former Pres Obama comes on TV, yesterday (the timing!), and contradicts his earlier testimony and says Yes, we cannot explain these, they are genuinely mysterious and exhibiting confounding technology
(he obvs wasn't talking directly about Beaver, Utah, but the UAP behaviour in that video exactly matches eye witness reports from the US navy etc)
Why on earth would ultra-rationalist Obama do this, unless he has very good reason?
Whatever the answer, something Truly Weird is happening
The Utah footage is 2yrs old. People were just a bit more rational and clear headed then.
Gadi Schwartz @GadiNBC · 24m With Obama weighing in today & Rubio’s statements this weekend, you’ve got to hope the issue of UAPs has finally transcended questions of political partisanship. Whatever they are, they seem to represent an inflection point for society as a whole.
There’s been an assumption even from the likes of Lue Elizondo that the June report to Congress won’t reveal too much new but will be the start of a longer process that might reveal a lot in time. Could be Elizondo is wrong and that the Biden government has decided to rip the plaster off. Hard to think of a more obvious proxy to float something out there for Biden than Obama.
Let’s say “something”, whatever the “something” is, has been kept secret for many years and you’re right that there’s moves afoot to reveal it. The way I see it there’s two reasons for that:
1) It has been concluded it’s the right thing to do; or
2) It has been assessed that it’s about to come out anyway in an uncontrolled fashion (e.g. increased use of better drones or increased volumes of private owned space assets).
1 seems unlikely so I think you’re left with 2, especially if it actually is extraterrestrial objects. That would mean no mad rush to reveal EVERYTHING in one go, but a sense it does need to come out in a controlled fashion in the next year or two.
I'd go with 2 (of the two options)
See all the new drone footage, from around the world, apparently showing exactly the same thing: small weird aircraft, like silvery bullets the size of a smartcar, capable of incredible speeds - 9,000mph or even 14,000mph
Drone cameras - a new technology - may be capturing so much footage of UAPs that is no longer credibly deniable or debunkable
That would move the USG to control the narrative and get the info out first, so they look like they are "in command" of the situation
Also plausible
This is the footage from Utah. No one has successfully debunked it
It's a fast moving flying object that he thinks is travelling at 9,000 miles per hour.
But which I'd reckon is actually travelling at about a quarter of that speed.
Why? Because at 9,000 miles per hour it would be compressing a lot of the air it hits. The wave it would generate as it went by (and the air jumped back into place) would result in trees moving an awful lot.
My guess is that it's a grey coloured XQ-58A (which is the US government's fighter drone) travelling at a supersonic speed.
lol
Lol?
If an object passes through air at a high speed, it compresses the air that hits the leading edges.
The faster it's travelling, the more compression there is.
And the more the air spring back once the object has passed.
Something travelling at 9,000 miles an hour (if it's the size they say it is) would be compressing an awful lot of air. So, either
(a) it's not the size they say it is (b) it's not going at the speed they say it is or (c) it's able to avoid compressing the air it travels through
My money is on (a) and/or (b).
Edit to add: watch the footage again. The trees don't seem to even register its presence. Doesn't that strike you as strange?
At 9000 mph isn't the speed great enough that the compression heats the air enough to burn the nitrogen?
Quite possibly.
Here are my questions:
(1) Could an alien civilization achieve massively more efficient propulsion to enable objects to travel at previously unimaginable speeds, to accelerate and brake in ways that would appear to break the laws of physics?
Yes. If they exist, one would expect them to have propulsion systems beyond the imagination of man.
(2) Could said civilization create new kinds of surface that would potentially dramatically reduce friction as craft travel through the air or water?
Yes. But that's harder.
(3) Could they avoid the fact that they're ultimately a solid object travelling through air?
No. Ultimately their craft will have mass. And that mass will push up against air. There's no avoiding compressing the air as you pass through it.
And that's why I'm sceptical of the Beaver, UT footage. Simply, if the trees and things swayed, that would make the movement much more plausible.
All highly logical, and yet, Obama
Former Pres Obama comes on TV, yesterday (the timing!), and contradicts his earlier testimony and says Yes, we cannot explain these, they are genuinely mysterious and exhibiting confounding technology
(he obvs wasn't talking directly about Beaver, Utah, but the UAP behaviour in that video exactly matches eye witness reports from the US navy etc)
Why on earth would ultra-rationalist Obama do this, unless he has very good reason?
Whatever the answer, something Truly Weird is happening
The Utah footage is 2yrs old. People were just a bit more rational and clear headed then.
Gadi Schwartz @GadiNBC · 24m With Obama weighing in today & Rubio’s statements this weekend, you’ve got to hope the issue of UAPs has finally transcended questions of political partisanship. Whatever they are, they seem to represent an inflection point for society as a whole.
There’s been an assumption even from the likes of Lue Elizondo that the June report to Congress won’t reveal too much new but will be the start of a longer process that might reveal a lot in time. Could be Elizondo is wrong and that the Biden government has decided to rip the plaster off. Hard to think of a more obvious proxy to float something out there for Biden than Obama.
Let’s say “something”, whatever the “something” is, has been kept secret for many years and you’re right that there’s moves afoot to reveal it. The way I see it there’s two reasons for that:
1) It has been concluded it’s the right thing to do; or
2) It has been assessed that it’s about to come out anyway in an uncontrolled fashion (e.g. increased use of better drones or increased volumes of private owned space assets).
1 seems unlikely so I think you’re left with 2, especially if it actually is extraterrestrial objects. That would mean no mad rush to reveal EVERYTHING in one go, but a sense it does need to come out in a controlled fashion in the next year or two.
I'd go with 2 (of the two options)
See all the new drone footage, from around the world, apparently showing exactly the same thing: small weird aircraft, like silvery bullets the size of a smartcar, capable of incredible speeds - 9,000mph or even 14,000mph
Drone cameras - a new technology - may be capturing so much footage of UAPs that is no longer credibly deniable or debunkable
That would move the USG to control the narrative and get the info out first, so they look like they are "in command" of the situation
Also plausible
This is the footage from Utah. No one has successfully debunked it
It's a fast moving flying object that he thinks is travelling at 9,000 miles per hour.
But which I'd reckon is actually travelling at about a quarter of that speed.
Why? Because at 9,000 miles per hour it would be compressing a lot of the air it hits. The wave it would generate as it went by (and the air jumped back into place) would result in trees moving an awful lot.
My guess is that it's a grey coloured XQ-58A (which is the US government's fighter drone) travelling at a supersonic speed.
lol
Lol?
If an object passes through air at a high speed, it compresses the air that hits the leading edges.
The faster it's travelling, the more compression there is.
And the more the air spring back once the object has passed.
Something travelling at 9,000 miles an hour (if it's the size they say it is) would be compressing an awful lot of air. So, either
(a) it's not the size they say it is (b) it's not going at the speed they say it is or (c) it's able to avoid compressing the air it travels through
My money is on (a) and/or (b).
Edit to add: watch the footage again. The trees don't seem to even register its presence. Doesn't that strike you as strange?
At 9000 mph isn't the speed great enough that the compression heats the air enough to burn the nitrogen?
Quite possibly.
Here are my questions:
(1) Could an alien civilization achieve massively more efficient propulsion to enable objects to travel at previously unimaginable speeds, to accelerate and brake in ways that would appear to break the laws of physics?
Yes. If they exist, one would expect them to have propulsion systems beyond the imagination of man.
(2) Could said civilization create new kinds of surface that would potentially dramatically reduce friction as craft travel through the air or water?
Yes. But that's harder.
(3) Could they avoid the fact that they're ultimately a solid object travelling through air?
No. Ultimately their craft will have mass. And that mass will push up against air. There's no avoiding compressing the air as you pass through it.
And that's why I'm sceptical of the Beaver, UT footage. Simply, if the trees and things swayed, that would make the movement much more plausible.
All highly logical, and yet, Obama
Former Pres Obama comes on TV, yesterday (the timing!), and contradicts his earlier testimony and says Yes, we cannot explain these, they are genuinely mysterious and exhibiting confounding technology
(he obvs wasn't talking directly about Beaver, Utah, but the UAP behaviour in that video exactly matches eye witness reports from the US navy etc)
Why on earth would ultra-rationalist Obama do this, unless he has very good reason?
Whatever the answer, something Truly Weird is happening
The Utah footage is 2yrs old. People were just a bit more rational and clear headed then.
Gadi Schwartz @GadiNBC · 24m With Obama weighing in today & Rubio’s statements this weekend, you’ve got to hope the issue of UAPs has finally transcended questions of political partisanship. Whatever they are, they seem to represent an inflection point for society as a whole.
There’s been an assumption even from the likes of Lue Elizondo that the June report to Congress won’t reveal too much new but will be the start of a longer process that might reveal a lot in time. Could be Elizondo is wrong and that the Biden government has decided to rip the plaster off. Hard to think of a more obvious proxy to float something out there for Biden than Obama.
Let’s say “something”, whatever the “something” is, has been kept secret for many years and you’re right that there’s moves afoot to reveal it. The way I see it there’s two reasons for that:
1) It has been concluded it’s the right thing to do; or
2) It has been assessed that it’s about to come out anyway in an uncontrolled fashion (e.g. increased use of better drones or increased volumes of private owned space assets).
1 seems unlikely so I think you’re left with 2, especially if it actually is extraterrestrial objects. That would mean no mad rush to reveal EVERYTHING in one go, but a sense it does need to come out in a controlled fashion in the next year or two.
I'd go with 2 (of the two options)
See all the new drone footage, from around the world, apparently showing exactly the same thing: small weird aircraft, like silvery bullets the size of a smartcar, capable of incredible speeds - 9,000mph or even 14,000mph
Drone cameras - a new technology - may be capturing so much footage of UAPs that is no longer credibly deniable or debunkable
That would move the USG to control the narrative and get the info out first, so they look like they are "in command" of the situation
Also plausible
This is the footage from Utah. No one has successfully debunked it
It's a fast moving flying object that he thinks is travelling at 9,000 miles per hour.
But which I'd reckon is actually travelling at about a quarter of that speed.
Why? Because at 9,000 miles per hour it would be compressing a lot of the air it hits. The wave it would generate as it went by (and the air jumped back into place) would result in trees moving an awful lot.
My guess is that it's a grey coloured XQ-58A (which is the US government's fighter drone) travelling at a supersonic speed.
lol
Lol?
If an object passes through air at a high speed, it compresses the air that hits the leading edges.
The faster it's travelling, the more compression there is.
And the more the air spring back once the object has passed.
Something travelling at 9,000 miles an hour (if it's the size they say it is) would be compressing an awful lot of air. So, either
(a) it's not the size they say it is (b) it's not going at the speed they say it is or (c) it's able to avoid compressing the air it travels through
My money is on (a) and/or (b).
Edit to add: watch the footage again. The trees don't seem to even register its presence. Doesn't that strike you as strange?
At 9000 mph isn't the speed great enough that the compression heats the air enough to burn the nitrogen?
Quite possibly.
Here are my questions:
(1) Could an alien civilization achieve massively more efficient propulsion to enable objects to travel at previously unimaginable speeds, to accelerate and brake in ways that would appear to break the laws of physics?
Yes. If they exist, one would expect them to have propulsion systems beyond the imagination of man.
(2) Could said civilization create new kinds of surface that would potentially dramatically reduce friction as craft travel through the air or water?
Yes. But that's harder.
(3) Could they avoid the fact that they're ultimately a solid object travelling through air?
No. Ultimately their craft will have mass. And that mass will push up against air. There's no avoiding compressing the air as you pass through it.
And that's why I'm sceptical of the Beaver, UT footage. Simply, if the trees and things swayed, that would make the movement much more plausible.
All highly logical, and yet, Obama
Former Pres Obama comes on TV, yesterday (the timing!), and contradicts his earlier testimony and says Yes, we cannot explain these, they are genuinely mysterious and exhibiting confounding technology
(he obvs wasn't talking directly about Beaver, Utah, but the UAP behaviour in that video exactly matches eye witness reports from the US navy etc)
Why on earth would ultra-rationalist Obama do this, unless he has very good reason?
Whatever the answer, something Truly Weird is happening
The Utah footage is 2yrs old. People were just a bit more rational and clear headed then.
Gadi Schwartz @GadiNBC · 24m With Obama weighing in today & Rubio’s statements this weekend, you’ve got to hope the issue of UAPs has finally transcended questions of political partisanship. Whatever they are, they seem to represent an inflection point for society as a whole.
There’s been an assumption even from the likes of Lue Elizondo that the June report to Congress won’t reveal too much new but will be the start of a longer process that might reveal a lot in time. Could be Elizondo is wrong and that the Biden government has decided to rip the plaster off. Hard to think of a more obvious proxy to float something out there for Biden than Obama.
Let’s say “something”, whatever the “something” is, has been kept secret for many years and you’re right that there’s moves afoot to reveal it. The way I see it there’s two reasons for that:
1) It has been concluded it’s the right thing to do; or
2) It has been assessed that it’s about to come out anyway in an uncontrolled fashion (e.g. increased use of better drones or increased volumes of private owned space assets).
1 seems unlikely so I think you’re left with 2, especially if it actually is extraterrestrial objects. That would mean no mad rush to reveal EVERYTHING in one go, but a sense it does need to come out in a controlled fashion in the next year or two.
I'd go with 2 (of the two options)
See all the new drone footage, from around the world, apparently showing exactly the same thing: small weird aircraft, like silvery bullets the size of a smartcar, capable of incredible speeds - 9,000mph or even 14,000mph
Drone cameras - a new technology - may be capturing so much footage of UAPs that is no longer credibly deniable or debunkable
That would move the USG to control the narrative and get the info out first, so they look like they are "in command" of the situation
Also plausible
This is the footage from Utah. No one has successfully debunked it
It's a fast moving flying object that he thinks is travelling at 9,000 miles per hour.
But which I'd reckon is actually travelling at about a quarter of that speed.
Why? Because at 9,000 miles per hour it would be compressing a lot of the air it hits. The wave it would generate as it went by (and the air jumped back into place) would result in trees moving an awful lot.
My guess is that it's a grey coloured XQ-58A (which is the US government's fighter drone) travelling at a supersonic speed.
lol
Lol?
If an object passes through air at a high speed, it compresses the air that hits the leading edges.
The faster it's travelling, the more compression there is.
And the more the air spring back once the object has passed.
Something travelling at 9,000 miles an hour (if it's the size they say it is) would be compressing an awful lot of air. So, either
(a) it's not the size they say it is (b) it's not going at the speed they say it is or (c) it's able to avoid compressing the air it travels through
My money is on (a) and/or (b).
Edit to add: watch the footage again. The trees don't seem to even register its presence. Doesn't that strike you as strange?
At 9000 mph isn't the speed great enough that the compression heats the air enough to burn the nitrogen?
Quite possibly.
Here are my questions:
(1) Could an alien civilization achieve massively more efficient propulsion to enable objects to travel at previously unimaginable speeds, to accelerate and brake in ways that would appear to break the laws of physics?
Yes. If they exist, one would expect them to have propulsion systems beyond the imagination of man.
(2) Could said civilization create new kinds of surface that would potentially dramatically reduce friction as craft travel through the air or water?
Yes. But that's harder.
(3) Could they avoid the fact that they're ultimately a solid object travelling through air?
No. Ultimately their craft will have mass. And that mass will push up against air. There's no avoiding compressing the air as you pass through it.
And that's why I'm sceptical of the Beaver, UT footage. Simply, if the trees and things swayed, that would make the movement much more plausible.
All highly logical, and yet, Obama
Former Pres Obama comes on TV, yesterday (the timing!), and contradicts his earlier testimony and says Yes, we cannot explain these, they are genuinely mysterious and exhibiting confounding technology
(he obvs wasn't talking directly about Beaver, Utah, but the UAP behaviour in that video exactly matches eye witness reports from the US navy etc)
Why on earth would ultra-rationalist Obama do this, unless he has very good reason?
Whatever the answer, something Truly Weird is happening
The Utah footage is 2yrs old. People were just a bit more rational and clear headed then.
Five years. They only released it in 2019
WHY NOW?
They* have you at their mercy.
*Aliens/pranksters/USAF
Ah, you have taken to wine
Sober all weekdays for months now. Although tomorrow I have what will be a boozy lunch. Cos I can.
Gadi Schwartz @GadiNBC · 24m With Obama weighing in today & Rubio’s statements this weekend, you’ve got to hope the issue of UAPs has finally transcended questions of political partisanship. Whatever they are, they seem to represent an inflection point for society as a whole.
There’s been an assumption even from the likes of Lue Elizondo that the June report to Congress won’t reveal too much new but will be the start of a longer process that might reveal a lot in time. Could be Elizondo is wrong and that the Biden government has decided to rip the plaster off. Hard to think of a more obvious proxy to float something out there for Biden than Obama.
Let’s say “something”, whatever the “something” is, has been kept secret for many years and you’re right that there’s moves afoot to reveal it. The way I see it there’s two reasons for that:
1) It has been concluded it’s the right thing to do; or
2) It has been assessed that it’s about to come out anyway in an uncontrolled fashion (e.g. increased use of better drones or increased volumes of private owned space assets).
1 seems unlikely so I think you’re left with 2, especially if it actually is extraterrestrial objects. That would mean no mad rush to reveal EVERYTHING in one go, but a sense it does need to come out in a controlled fashion in the next year or two.
I'd go with 2 (of the two options)
See all the new drone footage, from around the world, apparently showing exactly the same thing: small weird aircraft, like silvery bullets the size of a smartcar, capable of incredible speeds - 9,000mph or even 14,000mph
Drone cameras - a new technology - may be capturing so much footage of UAPs that is no longer credibly deniable or debunkable
That would move the USG to control the narrative and get the info out first, so they look like they are "in command" of the situation
Also plausible
This is the footage from Utah. No one has successfully debunked it
It's a fast moving flying object that he thinks is travelling at 9,000 miles per hour.
But which I'd reckon is actually travelling at about a quarter of that speed.
Why? Because at 9,000 miles per hour it would be compressing a lot of the air it hits. The wave it would generate as it went by (and the air jumped back into place) would result in trees moving an awful lot.
My guess is that it's a grey coloured XQ-58A (which is the US government's fighter drone) travelling at a supersonic speed.
lol
Lol?
If an object passes through air at a high speed, it compresses the air that hits the leading edges.
The faster it's travelling, the more compression there is.
And the more the air spring back once the object has passed.
Something travelling at 9,000 miles an hour (if it's the size they say it is) would be compressing an awful lot of air. So, either
(a) it's not the size they say it is (b) it's not going at the speed they say it is or (c) it's able to avoid compressing the air it travels through
My money is on (a) and/or (b).
Edit to add: watch the footage again. The trees don't seem to even register its presence. Doesn't that strike you as strange?
At 9000 mph isn't the speed great enough that the compression heats the air enough to burn the nitrogen?
Quite possibly.
Here are my questions:
(1) Could an alien civilization achieve massively more efficient propulsion to enable objects to travel at previously unimaginable speeds, to accelerate and brake in ways that would appear to break the laws of physics?
Yes. If they exist, one would expect them to have propulsion systems beyond the imagination of man.
(2) Could said civilization create new kinds of surface that would potentially dramatically reduce friction as craft travel through the air or water?
Yes. But that's harder.
(3) Could they avoid the fact that they're ultimately a solid object travelling through air?
No. Ultimately their craft will have mass. And that mass will push up against air. There's no avoiding compressing the air as you pass through it.
And that's why I'm sceptical of the Beaver, UT footage. Simply, if the trees and things swayed, that would make the movement much more plausible.
All highly logical, and yet, Obama
Former Pres Obama comes on TV, yesterday (the timing!), and contradicts his earlier testimony and says Yes, we cannot explain these, they are genuinely mysterious and exhibiting confounding technology
(he obvs wasn't talking directly about Beaver, Utah, but the UAP behaviour in that video exactly matches eye witness reports from the US navy etc)
Why on earth would ultra-rationalist Obama do this, unless he has very good reason?
Whatever the answer, something Truly Weird is happening
The Utah footage is 2yrs old. People were just a bit more rational and clear headed then.
Five years. They only released it in 2019
WHY NOW?
They* have you at their mercy.
*Aliens/pranksters/USAF
Ah, you have taken to wine
Sober all weekdays for months now. Although tomorrow I have what will be a boozy lunch. Cos I can.
Just to clarify, Friday is obviously not a weekday.
Gadi Schwartz @GadiNBC · 24m With Obama weighing in today & Rubio’s statements this weekend, you’ve got to hope the issue of UAPs has finally transcended questions of political partisanship. Whatever they are, they seem to represent an inflection point for society as a whole.
There’s been an assumption even from the likes of Lue Elizondo that the June report to Congress won’t reveal too much new but will be the start of a longer process that might reveal a lot in time. Could be Elizondo is wrong and that the Biden government has decided to rip the plaster off. Hard to think of a more obvious proxy to float something out there for Biden than Obama.
Let’s say “something”, whatever the “something” is, has been kept secret for many years and you’re right that there’s moves afoot to reveal it. The way I see it there’s two reasons for that:
1) It has been concluded it’s the right thing to do; or
2) It has been assessed that it’s about to come out anyway in an uncontrolled fashion (e.g. increased use of better drones or increased volumes of private owned space assets).
1 seems unlikely so I think you’re left with 2, especially if it actually is extraterrestrial objects. That would mean no mad rush to reveal EVERYTHING in one go, but a sense it does need to come out in a controlled fashion in the next year or two.
I'd go with 2 (of the two options)
See all the new drone footage, from around the world, apparently showing exactly the same thing: small weird aircraft, like silvery bullets the size of a smartcar, capable of incredible speeds - 9,000mph or even 14,000mph
Drone cameras - a new technology - may be capturing so much footage of UAPs that is no longer credibly deniable or debunkable
That would move the USG to control the narrative and get the info out first, so they look like they are "in command" of the situation
Also plausible
This is the footage from Utah. No one has successfully debunked it
It's a fast moving flying object that he thinks is travelling at 9,000 miles per hour.
But which I'd reckon is actually travelling at about a quarter of that speed.
Why? Because at 9,000 miles per hour it would be compressing a lot of the air it hits. The wave it would generate as it went by (and the air jumped back into place) would result in trees moving an awful lot.
My guess is that it's a grey coloured XQ-58A (which is the US government's fighter drone) travelling at a supersonic speed.
lol
Lol?
If an object passes through air at a high speed, it compresses the air that hits the leading edges.
The faster it's travelling, the more compression there is.
And the more the air spring back once the object has passed.
Something travelling at 9,000 miles an hour (if it's the size they say it is) would be compressing an awful lot of air. So, either
(a) it's not the size they say it is (b) it's not going at the speed they say it is or (c) it's able to avoid compressing the air it travels through
My money is on (a) and/or (b).
Edit to add: watch the footage again. The trees don't seem to even register its presence. Doesn't that strike you as strange?
At 9000 mph isn't the speed great enough that the compression heats the air enough to burn the nitrogen?
Quite possibly.
Here are my questions:
(1) Could an alien civilization achieve massively more efficient propulsion to enable objects to travel at previously unimaginable speeds, to accelerate and brake in ways that would appear to break the laws of physics?
Yes. If they exist, one would expect them to have propulsion systems beyond the imagination of man.
(2) Could said civilization create new kinds of surface that would potentially dramatically reduce friction as craft travel through the air or water?
Yes. But that's harder.
(3) Could they avoid the fact that they're ultimately a solid object travelling through air?
No. Ultimately their craft will have mass. And that mass will push up against air. There's no avoiding compressing the air as you pass through it.
And that's why I'm sceptical of the Beaver, UT footage. Simply, if the trees and things swayed, that would make the movement much more plausible.
Could have some kind of energy based shield which reduces the mass of objects inside the bubble. The Alcubierre warp drive would need something like that to work.
"Objects in the rear-view mirror may be larger, closer AND faster than they appear."
Watching Gods of Snooker... it was so big in the 80s. What a different world
White & Higgins were absolute nutters!
Jimmy White still going professionally. Him and Tony Meo used to get their hair cut at the barbers at the end of my street. Was crazy. Paparazzi worthy in 1988. And cheers for the reminder about that show. Will catch up
Strange things are seen in the desert gleam By the men who cruise the sky And the Utah contrails can tell queer tales As the US Air Force jets roar by . . .
Yep. Almost all the best players under 25 are Chinese. Given that they peak at around 35, in 10 years time it will be all China. And there seem to be 3 or 4 new 16 year olds every single year, who are pretty damn decent.
Gadi Schwartz @GadiNBC · 24m With Obama weighing in today & Rubio’s statements this weekend, you’ve got to hope the issue of UAPs has finally transcended questions of political partisanship. Whatever they are, they seem to represent an inflection point for society as a whole.
There’s been an assumption even from the likes of Lue Elizondo that the June report to Congress won’t reveal too much new but will be the start of a longer process that might reveal a lot in time. Could be Elizondo is wrong and that the Biden government has decided to rip the plaster off. Hard to think of a more obvious proxy to float something out there for Biden than Obama.
Let’s say “something”, whatever the “something” is, has been kept secret for many years and you’re right that there’s moves afoot to reveal it. The way I see it there’s two reasons for that:
1) It has been concluded it’s the right thing to do; or
2) It has been assessed that it’s about to come out anyway in an uncontrolled fashion (e.g. increased use of better drones or increased volumes of private owned space assets).
1 seems unlikely so I think you’re left with 2, especially if it actually is extraterrestrial objects. That would mean no mad rush to reveal EVERYTHING in one go, but a sense it does need to come out in a controlled fashion in the next year or two.
I'd go with 2 (of the two options)
See all the new drone footage, from around the world, apparently showing exactly the same thing: small weird aircraft, like silvery bullets the size of a smartcar, capable of incredible speeds - 9,000mph or even 14,000mph
Drone cameras - a new technology - may be capturing so much footage of UAPs that is no longer credibly deniable or debunkable
That would move the USG to control the narrative and get the info out first, so they look like they are "in command" of the situation
Also plausible
This is the footage from Utah. No one has successfully debunked it
It's a fast moving flying object that he thinks is travelling at 9,000 miles per hour.
But which I'd reckon is actually travelling at about a quarter of that speed.
Why? Because at 9,000 miles per hour it would be compressing a lot of the air it hits. The wave it would generate as it went by (and the air jumped back into place) would result in trees moving an awful lot.
My guess is that it's a grey coloured XQ-58A (which is the US government's fighter drone) travelling at a supersonic speed.
lol
Lol?
If an object passes through air at a high speed, it compresses the air that hits the leading edges.
The faster it's travelling, the more compression there is.
And the more the air spring back once the object has passed.
Something travelling at 9,000 miles an hour (if it's the size they say it is) would be compressing an awful lot of air. So, either
(a) it's not the size they say it is (b) it's not going at the speed they say it is or (c) it's able to avoid compressing the air it travels through
My money is on (a) and/or (b).
Edit to add: watch the footage again. The trees don't seem to even register its presence. Doesn't that strike you as strange?
At 9000 mph isn't the speed great enough that the compression heats the air enough to burn the nitrogen?
Quite possibly.
Here are my questions:
(1) Could an alien civilization achieve massively more efficient propulsion to enable objects to travel at previously unimaginable speeds, to accelerate and brake in ways that would appear to break the laws of physics?
Yes. If they exist, one would expect them to have propulsion systems beyond the imagination of man.
(2) Could said civilization create new kinds of surface that would potentially dramatically reduce friction as craft travel through the air or water?
Yes. But that's harder.
(3) Could they avoid the fact that they're ultimately a solid object travelling through air?
No. Ultimately their craft will have mass. And that mass will push up against air. There's no avoiding compressing the air as you pass through it.
And that's why I'm sceptical of the Beaver, UT footage. Simply, if the trees and things swayed, that would make the movement much more plausible.
All highly logical, and yet, Obama
Former Pres Obama comes on TV, yesterday (the timing!), and contradicts his earlier testimony and says Yes, we cannot explain these, they are genuinely mysterious and exhibiting confounding technology
(he obvs wasn't talking directly about Beaver, Utah, but the UAP behaviour in that video exactly matches eye witness reports from the US navy etc)
Why on earth would ultra-rationalist Obama do this, unless he has very good reason?
Whatever the answer, something Truly Weird is happening
The Utah footage is 2yrs old. People were just a bit more rational and clear headed then.
Five years. They only released it in 2019
WHY NOW?
They* have you at their mercy.
*Aliens/pranksters/USAF
Ah, you have taken to wine
Sober all weekdays for months now. Although tomorrow I have what will be a boozy lunch. Cos I can.
Just to clarify, Friday is obviously not a weekday.
I would sincerely hope that no-one would suggest it was. Especially on a genteel site like PB.
Watching Gods of Snooker... it was so big in the 80s. What a different world
White & Higgins were absolute nutters!
Jimmy White still going professionally. Him and Tony Meo used to get their hair cut at the barbers at the end of my street. Was crazy. Paparazzi worthy in 1988. And cheers for the reminder about that show. Will catch up
Yeah, good shout. I fancy watching it now, but will save for later in the week.
Yep. Almost all the best players under 25 are Chinese. Given that they peak at around 35, in 10 years time it will be all China. And there seem to be 3 or 4 new 16 year olds every single year, who are pretty damn decent.
Shouldn't this be a Golden Age for British snooker coaches? And retailers of snooker-wear, snooker-shoes, snooker-cues?
OR are the great-grandsons & daughters of the Bulldog Breed asleep at the wheel?
Gadi Schwartz @GadiNBC · 24m With Obama weighing in today & Rubio’s statements this weekend, you’ve got to hope the issue of UAPs has finally transcended questions of political partisanship. Whatever they are, they seem to represent an inflection point for society as a whole.
There’s been an assumption even from the likes of Lue Elizondo that the June report to Congress won’t reveal too much new but will be the start of a longer process that might reveal a lot in time. Could be Elizondo is wrong and that the Biden government has decided to rip the plaster off. Hard to think of a more obvious proxy to float something out there for Biden than Obama.
Let’s say “something”, whatever the “something” is, has been kept secret for many years and you’re right that there’s moves afoot to reveal it. The way I see it there’s two reasons for that:
1) It has been concluded it’s the right thing to do; or
2) It has been assessed that it’s about to come out anyway in an uncontrolled fashion (e.g. increased use of better drones or increased volumes of private owned space assets).
1 seems unlikely so I think you’re left with 2, especially if it actually is extraterrestrial objects. That would mean no mad rush to reveal EVERYTHING in one go, but a sense it does need to come out in a controlled fashion in the next year or two.
I'd go with 2 (of the two options)
See all the new drone footage, from around the world, apparently showing exactly the same thing: small weird aircraft, like silvery bullets the size of a smartcar, capable of incredible speeds - 9,000mph or even 14,000mph
Drone cameras - a new technology - may be capturing so much footage of UAPs that is no longer credibly deniable or debunkable
That would move the USG to control the narrative and get the info out first, so they look like they are "in command" of the situation
Also plausible
This is the footage from Utah. No one has successfully debunked it
It's a fast moving flying object that he thinks is travelling at 9,000 miles per hour.
But which I'd reckon is actually travelling at about a quarter of that speed.
Why? Because at 9,000 miles per hour it would be compressing a lot of the air it hits. The wave it would generate as it went by (and the air jumped back into place) would result in trees moving an awful lot.
My guess is that it's a grey coloured XQ-58A (which is the US government's fighter drone) travelling at a supersonic speed.
lol
Lol?
If an object passes through air at a high speed, it compresses the air that hits the leading edges.
The faster it's travelling, the more compression there is.
And the more the air spring back once the object has passed.
Something travelling at 9,000 miles an hour (if it's the size they say it is) would be compressing an awful lot of air. So, either
(a) it's not the size they say it is (b) it's not going at the speed they say it is or (c) it's able to avoid compressing the air it travels through
My money is on (a) and/or (b).
Edit to add: watch the footage again. The trees don't seem to even register its presence. Doesn't that strike you as strange?
At 9000 mph isn't the speed great enough that the compression heats the air enough to burn the nitrogen?
Quite possibly.
Here are my questions:
(1) Could an alien civilization achieve massively more efficient propulsion to enable objects to travel at previously unimaginable speeds, to accelerate and brake in ways that would appear to break the laws of physics?
Yes. If they exist, one would expect them to have propulsion systems beyond the imagination of man.
(2) Could said civilization create new kinds of surface that would potentially dramatically reduce friction as craft travel through the air or water?
Yes. But that's harder.
(3) Could they avoid the fact that they're ultimately a solid object travelling through air?
No. Ultimately their craft will have mass. And that mass will push up against air. There's no avoiding compressing the air as you pass through it.
And that's why I'm sceptical of the Beaver, UT footage. Simply, if the trees and things swayed, that would make the movement much more plausible.
Could have some kind of energy based shield which reduces the mass of objects inside the bubble. The Alcubierre warp drive would need something like that to work.
Well: either you are letting the mass of air pass through the flying vehicle (which is possible, I suppose) or you are diverting the air around you.
I guess my point is that a space craft that somehow flies like a normal aerial vehicle, banking to turn, is clearly interacting with the atmosphere around it... in which case, the air around it needs to move.
Watching Gods of Snooker... it was so big in the 80s. What a different world
White & Higgins were absolute nutters!
Jimmy White still going professionally. Him and Tony Meo used to get their hair cut at the barbers at the end of my street. Was crazy. Paparazzi worthy in 1988. And cheers for the reminder about that show. Will catch up
Old Meo, as we all know...
Jimmy’s hair now is a bit rough!
Great show. Higgins was a train wreck, quite sad to see. Reminds me of one of my mates when he was drinking
Gadi Schwartz @GadiNBC · 24m With Obama weighing in today & Rubio’s statements this weekend, you’ve got to hope the issue of UAPs has finally transcended questions of political partisanship. Whatever they are, they seem to represent an inflection point for society as a whole.
There’s been an assumption even from the likes of Lue Elizondo that the June report to Congress won’t reveal too much new but will be the start of a longer process that might reveal a lot in time. Could be Elizondo is wrong and that the Biden government has decided to rip the plaster off. Hard to think of a more obvious proxy to float something out there for Biden than Obama.
Let’s say “something”, whatever the “something” is, has been kept secret for many years and you’re right that there’s moves afoot to reveal it. The way I see it there’s two reasons for that:
1) It has been concluded it’s the right thing to do; or
2) It has been assessed that it’s about to come out anyway in an uncontrolled fashion (e.g. increased use of better drones or increased volumes of private owned space assets).
1 seems unlikely so I think you’re left with 2, especially if it actually is extraterrestrial objects. That would mean no mad rush to reveal EVERYTHING in one go, but a sense it does need to come out in a controlled fashion in the next year or two.
I'd go with 2 (of the two options)
See all the new drone footage, from around the world, apparently showing exactly the same thing: small weird aircraft, like silvery bullets the size of a smartcar, capable of incredible speeds - 9,000mph or even 14,000mph
Drone cameras - a new technology - may be capturing so much footage of UAPs that is no longer credibly deniable or debunkable
That would move the USG to control the narrative and get the info out first, so they look like they are "in command" of the situation
Also plausible
This is the footage from Utah. No one has successfully debunked it
It's a fast moving flying object that he thinks is travelling at 9,000 miles per hour.
But which I'd reckon is actually travelling at about a quarter of that speed.
Why? Because at 9,000 miles per hour it would be compressing a lot of the air it hits. The wave it would generate as it went by (and the air jumped back into place) would result in trees moving an awful lot.
My guess is that it's a grey coloured XQ-58A (which is the US government's fighter drone) travelling at a supersonic speed.
lol
Lol?
If an object passes through air at a high speed, it compresses the air that hits the leading edges.
The faster it's travelling, the more compression there is.
And the more the air spring back once the object has passed.
Something travelling at 9,000 miles an hour (if it's the size they say it is) would be compressing an awful lot of air. So, either
(a) it's not the size they say it is (b) it's not going at the speed they say it is or (c) it's able to avoid compressing the air it travels through
My money is on (a) and/or (b).
Edit to add: watch the footage again. The trees don't seem to even register its presence. Doesn't that strike you as strange?
At 9000 mph isn't the speed great enough that the compression heats the air enough to burn the nitrogen?
Quite possibly.
Here are my questions:
(1) Could an alien civilization achieve massively more efficient propulsion to enable objects to travel at previously unimaginable speeds, to accelerate and brake in ways that would appear to break the laws of physics?
Yes. If they exist, one would expect them to have propulsion systems beyond the imagination of man.
(2) Could said civilization create new kinds of surface that would potentially dramatically reduce friction as craft travel through the air or water?
Yes. But that's harder.
(3) Could they avoid the fact that they're ultimately a solid object travelling through air?
No. Ultimately their craft will have mass. And that mass will push up against air. There's no avoiding compressing the air as you pass through it.
And that's why I'm sceptical of the Beaver, UT footage. Simply, if the trees and things swayed, that would make the movement much more plausible.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Clarke's Third Law.
But there are levels of difficulty.
We can conceive of power sources so vast you could accelerate to close to the speed of light in a short space. Even if we have no idea how that could be achieved, practically, we can conceive of methods.
And while we don't know how to dramatically reduce the friction a solid object would have in passing through the air, it certainly doesn't strike me as impossible.
What does strike me as unlikely, though, is that it has no interaction with the mass around it.
Air is stuff. Just like the mountain is stuff. If you can travel through the air without interacting with it in any way, then you could travel through the mountain too. And you'd also ask why light bothers to bounce off it as well.
Yep. Almost all the best players under 25 are Chinese. Given that they peak at around 35, in 10 years time it will be all China. And there seem to be 3 or 4 new 16 year olds every single year, who are pretty damn decent.
Shouldn't this be a Golden Age for British snooker coaches? And retailers of snooker-wear, snooker-shoes, snooker-cues?
OR are the great-grandsons & daughters of the Bulldog Breed asleep at the wheel?
The best cue makers? Airdrie and Shotts. Shoes? You need a pair of Batley and Spens. And for a natty waistcoat you can't go wrong with a Chesham and Amersham.
Gadi Schwartz @GadiNBC · 24m With Obama weighing in today & Rubio’s statements this weekend, you’ve got to hope the issue of UAPs has finally transcended questions of political partisanship. Whatever they are, they seem to represent an inflection point for society as a whole.
There’s been an assumption even from the likes of Lue Elizondo that the June report to Congress won’t reveal too much new but will be the start of a longer process that might reveal a lot in time. Could be Elizondo is wrong and that the Biden government has decided to rip the plaster off. Hard to think of a more obvious proxy to float something out there for Biden than Obama.
Let’s say “something”, whatever the “something” is, has been kept secret for many years and you’re right that there’s moves afoot to reveal it. The way I see it there’s two reasons for that:
1) It has been concluded it’s the right thing to do; or
2) It has been assessed that it’s about to come out anyway in an uncontrolled fashion (e.g. increased use of better drones or increased volumes of private owned space assets).
1 seems unlikely so I think you’re left with 2, especially if it actually is extraterrestrial objects. That would mean no mad rush to reveal EVERYTHING in one go, but a sense it does need to come out in a controlled fashion in the next year or two.
I'd go with 2 (of the two options)
See all the new drone footage, from around the world, apparently showing exactly the same thing: small weird aircraft, like silvery bullets the size of a smartcar, capable of incredible speeds - 9,000mph or even 14,000mph
Drone cameras - a new technology - may be capturing so much footage of UAPs that is no longer credibly deniable or debunkable
That would move the USG to control the narrative and get the info out first, so they look like they are "in command" of the situation
Also plausible
This is the footage from Utah. No one has successfully debunked it
It's a fast moving flying object that he thinks is travelling at 9,000 miles per hour.
But which I'd reckon is actually travelling at about a quarter of that speed.
Why? Because at 9,000 miles per hour it would be compressing a lot of the air it hits. The wave it would generate as it went by (and the air jumped back into place) would result in trees moving an awful lot.
My guess is that it's a grey coloured XQ-58A (which is the US government's fighter drone) travelling at a supersonic speed.
lol
Lol?
If an object passes through air at a high speed, it compresses the air that hits the leading edges.
The faster it's travelling, the more compression there is.
And the more the air spring back once the object has passed.
Something travelling at 9,000 miles an hour (if it's the size they say it is) would be compressing an awful lot of air. So, either
(a) it's not the size they say it is (b) it's not going at the speed they say it is or (c) it's able to avoid compressing the air it travels through
My money is on (a) and/or (b).
Edit to add: watch the footage again. The trees don't seem to even register its presence. Doesn't that strike you as strange?
At 9000 mph isn't the speed great enough that the compression heats the air enough to burn the nitrogen?
Quite possibly.
Here are my questions:
(1) Could an alien civilization achieve massively more efficient propulsion to enable objects to travel at previously unimaginable speeds, to accelerate and brake in ways that would appear to break the laws of physics?
Yes. If they exist, one would expect them to have propulsion systems beyond the imagination of man.
(2) Could said civilization create new kinds of surface that would potentially dramatically reduce friction as craft travel through the air or water?
Yes. But that's harder.
(3) Could they avoid the fact that they're ultimately a solid object travelling through air?
No. Ultimately their craft will have mass. And that mass will push up against air. There's no avoiding compressing the air as you pass through it.
And that's why I'm sceptical of the Beaver, UT footage. Simply, if the trees and things swayed, that would make the movement much more plausible.
Could have some kind of energy based shield which reduces the mass of objects inside the bubble. The Alcubierre warp drive would need something like that to work.
Well: either you are letting the mass of air pass through the flying vehicle (which is possible, I suppose) or you are diverting the air around you.
I guess my point is that a space craft that somehow flies like a normal aerial vehicle, banking to turn, is clearly interacting with the atmosphere around it... in which case, the air around it needs to move.
A fair point. However we really might be the Stone Age Amazon jungle tribe staring up at a helicopter. How do they even begin to compute what they are seeing? Is it a bird, a demon, a floating tree, or a dream? Why would it come here?
As a tribe they are brilliantly adapted to surviving in the rainforest, they have forensic skill at identifying poisonous fungi. Their ability to understand a helicopter, let alone explain what it’s doing, is zero
We might be them: the anemones in the rock pool, with some vague uneasy sense of being watched
Gadi Schwartz @GadiNBC · 24m With Obama weighing in today & Rubio’s statements this weekend, you’ve got to hope the issue of UAPs has finally transcended questions of political partisanship. Whatever they are, they seem to represent an inflection point for society as a whole.
There’s been an assumption even from the likes of Lue Elizondo that the June report to Congress won’t reveal too much new but will be the start of a longer process that might reveal a lot in time. Could be Elizondo is wrong and that the Biden government has decided to rip the plaster off. Hard to think of a more obvious proxy to float something out there for Biden than Obama.
Let’s say “something”, whatever the “something” is, has been kept secret for many years and you’re right that there’s moves afoot to reveal it. The way I see it there’s two reasons for that:
1) It has been concluded it’s the right thing to do; or
2) It has been assessed that it’s about to come out anyway in an uncontrolled fashion (e.g. increased use of better drones or increased volumes of private owned space assets).
1 seems unlikely so I think you’re left with 2, especially if it actually is extraterrestrial objects. That would mean no mad rush to reveal EVERYTHING in one go, but a sense it does need to come out in a controlled fashion in the next year or two.
I'd go with 2 (of the two options)
See all the new drone footage, from around the world, apparently showing exactly the same thing: small weird aircraft, like silvery bullets the size of a smartcar, capable of incredible speeds - 9,000mph or even 14,000mph
Drone cameras - a new technology - may be capturing so much footage of UAPs that is no longer credibly deniable or debunkable
That would move the USG to control the narrative and get the info out first, so they look like they are "in command" of the situation
Also plausible
This is the footage from Utah. No one has successfully debunked it
It's a fast moving flying object that he thinks is travelling at 9,000 miles per hour.
But which I'd reckon is actually travelling at about a quarter of that speed.
Why? Because at 9,000 miles per hour it would be compressing a lot of the air it hits. The wave it would generate as it went by (and the air jumped back into place) would result in trees moving an awful lot.
My guess is that it's a grey coloured XQ-58A (which is the US government's fighter drone) travelling at a supersonic speed.
lol
Lol?
If an object passes through air at a high speed, it compresses the air that hits the leading edges.
The faster it's travelling, the more compression there is.
And the more the air spring back once the object has passed.
Something travelling at 9,000 miles an hour (if it's the size they say it is) would be compressing an awful lot of air. So, either
(a) it's not the size they say it is (b) it's not going at the speed they say it is or (c) it's able to avoid compressing the air it travels through
My money is on (a) and/or (b).
Edit to add: watch the footage again. The trees don't seem to even register its presence. Doesn't that strike you as strange?
At 9000 mph isn't the speed great enough that the compression heats the air enough to burn the nitrogen?
Quite possibly.
Here are my questions:
(1) Could an alien civilization achieve massively more efficient propulsion to enable objects to travel at previously unimaginable speeds, to accelerate and brake in ways that would appear to break the laws of physics?
Yes. If they exist, one would expect them to have propulsion systems beyond the imagination of man.
(2) Could said civilization create new kinds of surface that would potentially dramatically reduce friction as craft travel through the air or water?
Yes. But that's harder.
(3) Could they avoid the fact that they're ultimately a solid object travelling through air?
No. Ultimately their craft will have mass. And that mass will push up against air. There's no avoiding compressing the air as you pass through it.
And that's why I'm sceptical of the Beaver, UT footage. Simply, if the trees and things swayed, that would make the movement much more plausible.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Clarke's Third Law.
But there are levels of difficulty.
We can conceive of power sources so vast you could accelerate to close to the speed of light in a short space. Even if we have no idea how that could be achieved, practically, we can conceive of methods.
And while we don't know how to dramatically reduce the friction a solid object would have in passing through the air, it certainly doesn't strike me as impossible.
What does strike me as unlikely, though, is that it has no interaction with the mass around it.
Air is stuff. Just like the mountain is stuff. If you can travel through the air without interacting with it in any way, then you could travel through the mountain too. And you'd also ask why light bothers to bounce off it as well.
Gadi Schwartz @GadiNBC · 24m With Obama weighing in today & Rubio’s statements this weekend, you’ve got to hope the issue of UAPs has finally transcended questions of political partisanship. Whatever they are, they seem to represent an inflection point for society as a whole.
There’s been an assumption even from the likes of Lue Elizondo that the June report to Congress won’t reveal too much new but will be the start of a longer process that might reveal a lot in time. Could be Elizondo is wrong and that the Biden government has decided to rip the plaster off. Hard to think of a more obvious proxy to float something out there for Biden than Obama.
Let’s say “something”, whatever the “something” is, has been kept secret for many years and you’re right that there’s moves afoot to reveal it. The way I see it there’s two reasons for that:
1) It has been concluded it’s the right thing to do; or
2) It has been assessed that it’s about to come out anyway in an uncontrolled fashion (e.g. increased use of better drones or increased volumes of private owned space assets).
1 seems unlikely so I think you’re left with 2, especially if it actually is extraterrestrial objects. That would mean no mad rush to reveal EVERYTHING in one go, but a sense it does need to come out in a controlled fashion in the next year or two.
I'd go with 2 (of the two options)
See all the new drone footage, from around the world, apparently showing exactly the same thing: small weird aircraft, like silvery bullets the size of a smartcar, capable of incredible speeds - 9,000mph or even 14,000mph
Drone cameras - a new technology - may be capturing so much footage of UAPs that is no longer credibly deniable or debunkable
That would move the USG to control the narrative and get the info out first, so they look like they are "in command" of the situation
Also plausible
This is the footage from Utah. No one has successfully debunked it
It's a fast moving flying object that he thinks is travelling at 9,000 miles per hour.
But which I'd reckon is actually travelling at about a quarter of that speed.
Why? Because at 9,000 miles per hour it would be compressing a lot of the air it hits. The wave it would generate as it went by (and the air jumped back into place) would result in trees moving an awful lot.
My guess is that it's a grey coloured XQ-58A (which is the US government's fighter drone) travelling at a supersonic speed.
lol
Lol?
If an object passes through air at a high speed, it compresses the air that hits the leading edges.
The faster it's travelling, the more compression there is.
And the more the air spring back once the object has passed.
Something travelling at 9,000 miles an hour (if it's the size they say it is) would be compressing an awful lot of air. So, either
(a) it's not the size they say it is (b) it's not going at the speed they say it is or (c) it's able to avoid compressing the air it travels through
My money is on (a) and/or (b).
Edit to add: watch the footage again. The trees don't seem to even register its presence. Doesn't that strike you as strange?
At 9000 mph isn't the speed great enough that the compression heats the air enough to burn the nitrogen?
Quite possibly.
Here are my questions:
(1) Could an alien civilization achieve massively more efficient propulsion to enable objects to travel at previously unimaginable speeds, to accelerate and brake in ways that would appear to break the laws of physics?
Yes. If they exist, one would expect them to have propulsion systems beyond the imagination of man.
(2) Could said civilization create new kinds of surface that would potentially dramatically reduce friction as craft travel through the air or water?
Yes. But that's harder.
(3) Could they avoid the fact that they're ultimately a solid object travelling through air?
No. Ultimately their craft will have mass. And that mass will push up against air. There's no avoiding compressing the air as you pass through it.
And that's why I'm sceptical of the Beaver, UT footage. Simply, if the trees and things swayed, that would make the movement much more plausible.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Clarke's Third Law.
But there are levels of difficulty.
We can conceive of power sources so vast you could accelerate to close to the speed of light in a short space. Even if we have no idea how that could be achieved, practically, we can conceive of methods.
And while we don't know how to dramatically reduce the friction a solid object would have in passing through the air, it certainly doesn't strike me as impossible.
What does strike me as unlikely, though, is that it has no interaction with the mass around it.
Air is stuff. Just like the mountain is stuff. If you can travel through the air without interacting with it in any way, then you could travel through the mountain too. And you'd also ask why light bothers to bounce off it as well.
I note that you have gone from confidently (and ludicrously) proclaiming that ‘this is just USAF drone 3X-FD5 flying at supersonic speed’ to wondering if this IS aliens, ‘but how have they broken all the laws of physics’?
In about 2 hours.
By Friday you will be entreating us to use pyramids to sharpen our razors
Gadi Schwartz @GadiNBC · 24m With Obama weighing in today & Rubio’s statements this weekend, you’ve got to hope the issue of UAPs has finally transcended questions of political partisanship. Whatever they are, they seem to represent an inflection point for society as a whole.
There’s been an assumption even from the likes of Lue Elizondo that the June report to Congress won’t reveal too much new but will be the start of a longer process that might reveal a lot in time. Could be Elizondo is wrong and that the Biden government has decided to rip the plaster off. Hard to think of a more obvious proxy to float something out there for Biden than Obama.
Let’s say “something”, whatever the “something” is, has been kept secret for many years and you’re right that there’s moves afoot to reveal it. The way I see it there’s two reasons for that:
1) It has been concluded it’s the right thing to do; or
2) It has been assessed that it’s about to come out anyway in an uncontrolled fashion (e.g. increased use of better drones or increased volumes of private owned space assets).
1 seems unlikely so I think you’re left with 2, especially if it actually is extraterrestrial objects. That would mean no mad rush to reveal EVERYTHING in one go, but a sense it does need to come out in a controlled fashion in the next year or two.
I'd go with 2 (of the two options)
See all the new drone footage, from around the world, apparently showing exactly the same thing: small weird aircraft, like silvery bullets the size of a smartcar, capable of incredible speeds - 9,000mph or even 14,000mph
Drone cameras - a new technology - may be capturing so much footage of UAPs that is no longer credibly deniable or debunkable
That would move the USG to control the narrative and get the info out first, so they look like they are "in command" of the situation
Also plausible
This is the footage from Utah. No one has successfully debunked it
It's a fast moving flying object that he thinks is travelling at 9,000 miles per hour.
But which I'd reckon is actually travelling at about a quarter of that speed.
Why? Because at 9,000 miles per hour it would be compressing a lot of the air it hits. The wave it would generate as it went by (and the air jumped back into place) would result in trees moving an awful lot.
My guess is that it's a grey coloured XQ-58A (which is the US government's fighter drone) travelling at a supersonic speed.
lol
Lol?
If an object passes through air at a high speed, it compresses the air that hits the leading edges.
The faster it's travelling, the more compression there is.
And the more the air spring back once the object has passed.
Something travelling at 9,000 miles an hour (if it's the size they say it is) would be compressing an awful lot of air. So, either
(a) it's not the size they say it is (b) it's not going at the speed they say it is or (c) it's able to avoid compressing the air it travels through
My money is on (a) and/or (b).
Edit to add: watch the footage again. The trees don't seem to even register its presence. Doesn't that strike you as strange?
At 9000 mph isn't the speed great enough that the compression heats the air enough to burn the nitrogen?
Quite possibly.
Here are my questions:
(1) Could an alien civilization achieve massively more efficient propulsion to enable objects to travel at previously unimaginable speeds, to accelerate and brake in ways that would appear to break the laws of physics?
Yes. If they exist, one would expect them to have propulsion systems beyond the imagination of man.
(2) Could said civilization create new kinds of surface that would potentially dramatically reduce friction as craft travel through the air or water?
Yes. But that's harder.
(3) Could they avoid the fact that they're ultimately a solid object travelling through air?
No. Ultimately their craft will have mass. And that mass will push up against air. There's no avoiding compressing the air as you pass through it.
And that's why I'm sceptical of the Beaver, UT footage. Simply, if the trees and things swayed, that would make the movement much more plausible.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Clarke's Third Law.
But there are levels of difficulty.
We can conceive of power sources so vast you could accelerate to close to the speed of light in a short space. Even if we have no idea how that could be achieved, practically, we can conceive of methods.
And while we don't know how to dramatically reduce the friction a solid object would have in passing through the air, it certainly doesn't strike me as impossible.
What does strike me as unlikely, though, is that it has no interaction with the mass around it.
Air is stuff. Just like the mountain is stuff. If you can travel through the air without interacting with it in any way, then you could travel through the mountain too. And you'd also ask why light bothers to bounce off it as well.
I note that you have gone from confidently (and ludicrously) proclaiming that ‘this is just USAF drone 3X-FD5 flying at supersonic speed’ to wondering if this IS aliens, ‘but how have they broken all the laws of physics’?
In about 2 hours.
By Friday you will be entreating us to use pyramids to sharpen our razors
This video is almost certainly a fake.
There may well be other videos that have unexplainable stuff on them. But the simplest explanation for this video is that it's a fake.
Also, all the shit about them not wanting to release it, etc., that smacks of how mediums operate, and get's my suspicion meter right up.
Gadi Schwartz @GadiNBC · 24m With Obama weighing in today & Rubio’s statements this weekend, you’ve got to hope the issue of UAPs has finally transcended questions of political partisanship. Whatever they are, they seem to represent an inflection point for society as a whole.
There’s been an assumption even from the likes of Lue Elizondo that the June report to Congress won’t reveal too much new but will be the start of a longer process that might reveal a lot in time. Could be Elizondo is wrong and that the Biden government has decided to rip the plaster off. Hard to think of a more obvious proxy to float something out there for Biden than Obama.
Let’s say “something”, whatever the “something” is, has been kept secret for many years and you’re right that there’s moves afoot to reveal it. The way I see it there’s two reasons for that:
1) It has been concluded it’s the right thing to do; or
2) It has been assessed that it’s about to come out anyway in an uncontrolled fashion (e.g. increased use of better drones or increased volumes of private owned space assets).
1 seems unlikely so I think you’re left with 2, especially if it actually is extraterrestrial objects. That would mean no mad rush to reveal EVERYTHING in one go, but a sense it does need to come out in a controlled fashion in the next year or two.
I'd go with 2 (of the two options)
See all the new drone footage, from around the world, apparently showing exactly the same thing: small weird aircraft, like silvery bullets the size of a smartcar, capable of incredible speeds - 9,000mph or even 14,000mph
Drone cameras - a new technology - may be capturing so much footage of UAPs that is no longer credibly deniable or debunkable
That would move the USG to control the narrative and get the info out first, so they look like they are "in command" of the situation
Also plausible
This is the footage from Utah. No one has successfully debunked it
It's a fast moving flying object that he thinks is travelling at 9,000 miles per hour.
But which I'd reckon is actually travelling at about a quarter of that speed.
Why? Because at 9,000 miles per hour it would be compressing a lot of the air it hits. The wave it would generate as it went by (and the air jumped back into place) would result in trees moving an awful lot.
My guess is that it's a grey coloured XQ-58A (which is the US government's fighter drone) travelling at a supersonic speed.
lol
Lol?
If an object passes through air at a high speed, it compresses the air that hits the leading edges.
The faster it's travelling, the more compression there is.
And the more the air spring back once the object has passed.
Something travelling at 9,000 miles an hour (if it's the size they say it is) would be compressing an awful lot of air. So, either
(a) it's not the size they say it is (b) it's not going at the speed they say it is or (c) it's able to avoid compressing the air it travels through
My money is on (a) and/or (b).
Edit to add: watch the footage again. The trees don't seem to even register its presence. Doesn't that strike you as strange?
At 9000 mph isn't the speed great enough that the compression heats the air enough to burn the nitrogen?
Quite possibly.
Here are my questions:
(1) Could an alien civilization achieve massively more efficient propulsion to enable objects to travel at previously unimaginable speeds, to accelerate and brake in ways that would appear to break the laws of physics?
Yes. If they exist, one would expect them to have propulsion systems beyond the imagination of man.
(2) Could said civilization create new kinds of surface that would potentially dramatically reduce friction as craft travel through the air or water?
Yes. But that's harder.
(3) Could they avoid the fact that they're ultimately a solid object travelling through air?
No. Ultimately their craft will have mass. And that mass will push up against air. There's no avoiding compressing the air as you pass through it.
And that's why I'm sceptical of the Beaver, UT footage. Simply, if the trees and things swayed, that would make the movement much more plausible.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Clarke's Third Law.
But there are levels of difficulty.
We can conceive of power sources so vast you could accelerate to close to the speed of light in a short space. Even if we have no idea how that could be achieved, practically, we can conceive of methods.
And while we don't know how to dramatically reduce the friction a solid object would have in passing through the air, it certainly doesn't strike me as impossible.
What does strike me as unlikely, though, is that it has no interaction with the mass around it.
Air is stuff. Just like the mountain is stuff. If you can travel through the air without interacting with it in any way, then you could travel through the mountain too. And you'd also ask why light bothers to bounce off it as well.
I note that you have gone from confidently (and ludicrously) proclaiming that ‘this is just USAF drone 3X-FD5 flying at supersonic speed’ to wondering if this IS aliens, ‘but how have they broken all the laws of physics’?
In about 2 hours.
By Friday you will be entreating us to use pyramids to sharpen our razors
This video is almost certainly a fake.
There may well be other videos that have unexplainable stuff on them. But the simplest explanation for this video is that it's a fake.
Also, all the shit about them not wanting to release it, etc., that smacks of how mediums operate, and get's my suspicion meter right up.
Yep, in terms of 'evidence' the Utah video can be filed with 99.9% certainty in the hoax file.
Gadi Schwartz @GadiNBC · 24m With Obama weighing in today & Rubio’s statements this weekend, you’ve got to hope the issue of UAPs has finally transcended questions of political partisanship. Whatever they are, they seem to represent an inflection point for society as a whole.
There’s been an assumption even from the likes of Lue Elizondo that the June report to Congress won’t reveal too much new but will be the start of a longer process that might reveal a lot in time. Could be Elizondo is wrong and that the Biden government has decided to rip the plaster off. Hard to think of a more obvious proxy to float something out there for Biden than Obama.
Let’s say “something”, whatever the “something” is, has been kept secret for many years and you’re right that there’s moves afoot to reveal it. The way I see it there’s two reasons for that:
1) It has been concluded it’s the right thing to do; or
2) It has been assessed that it’s about to come out anyway in an uncontrolled fashion (e.g. increased use of better drones or increased volumes of private owned space assets).
1 seems unlikely so I think you’re left with 2, especially if it actually is extraterrestrial objects. That would mean no mad rush to reveal EVERYTHING in one go, but a sense it does need to come out in a controlled fashion in the next year or two.
I'd go with 2 (of the two options)
See all the new drone footage, from around the world, apparently showing exactly the same thing: small weird aircraft, like silvery bullets the size of a smartcar, capable of incredible speeds - 9,000mph or even 14,000mph
Drone cameras - a new technology - may be capturing so much footage of UAPs that is no longer credibly deniable or debunkable
That would move the USG to control the narrative and get the info out first, so they look like they are "in command" of the situation
Also plausible
This is the footage from Utah. No one has successfully debunked it
It's a fast moving flying object that he thinks is travelling at 9,000 miles per hour.
But which I'd reckon is actually travelling at about a quarter of that speed.
Why? Because at 9,000 miles per hour it would be compressing a lot of the air it hits. The wave it would generate as it went by (and the air jumped back into place) would result in trees moving an awful lot.
My guess is that it's a grey coloured XQ-58A (which is the US government's fighter drone) travelling at a supersonic speed.
lol
Lol?
If an object passes through air at a high speed, it compresses the air that hits the leading edges.
The faster it's travelling, the more compression there is.
And the more the air spring back once the object has passed.
Something travelling at 9,000 miles an hour (if it's the size they say it is) would be compressing an awful lot of air. So, either
(a) it's not the size they say it is (b) it's not going at the speed they say it is or (c) it's able to avoid compressing the air it travels through
My money is on (a) and/or (b).
Edit to add: watch the footage again. The trees don't seem to even register its presence. Doesn't that strike you as strange?
At 9000 mph isn't the speed great enough that the compression heats the air enough to burn the nitrogen?
Quite possibly.
Here are my questions:
(1) Could an alien civilization achieve massively more efficient propulsion to enable objects to travel at previously unimaginable speeds, to accelerate and brake in ways that would appear to break the laws of physics?
Yes. If they exist, one would expect them to have propulsion systems beyond the imagination of man.
(2) Could said civilization create new kinds of surface that would potentially dramatically reduce friction as craft travel through the air or water?
Yes. But that's harder.
(3) Could they avoid the fact that they're ultimately a solid object travelling through air?
No. Ultimately their craft will have mass. And that mass will push up against air. There's no avoiding compressing the air as you pass through it.
And that's why I'm sceptical of the Beaver, UT footage. Simply, if the trees and things swayed, that would make the movement much more plausible.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Clarke's Third Law.
But there are levels of difficulty.
We can conceive of power sources so vast you could accelerate to close to the speed of light in a short space. Even if we have no idea how that could be achieved, practically, we can conceive of methods.
And while we don't know how to dramatically reduce the friction a solid object would have in passing through the air, it certainly doesn't strike me as impossible.
What does strike me as unlikely, though, is that it has no interaction with the mass around it.
Air is stuff. Just like the mountain is stuff. If you can travel through the air without interacting with it in any way, then you could travel through the mountain too. And you'd also ask why light bothers to bounce off it as well.
I note that you have gone from confidently (and ludicrously) proclaiming that ‘this is just USAF drone 3X-FD5 flying at supersonic speed’ to wondering if this IS aliens, ‘but how have they broken all the laws of physics’?
In about 2 hours.
By Friday you will be entreating us to use pyramids to sharpen our razors
This video is almost certainly a fake.
There may well be other videos that have unexplainable stuff on them. But the simplest explanation for this video is that it's a fake.
Also, all the shit about them not wanting to release it, etc., that smacks of how mediums operate, and get's my suspicion meter right up.
Gadi Schwartz @GadiNBC · 24m With Obama weighing in today & Rubio’s statements this weekend, you’ve got to hope the issue of UAPs has finally transcended questions of political partisanship. Whatever they are, they seem to represent an inflection point for society as a whole.
There’s been an assumption even from the likes of Lue Elizondo that the June report to Congress won’t reveal too much new but will be the start of a longer process that might reveal a lot in time. Could be Elizondo is wrong and that the Biden government has decided to rip the plaster off. Hard to think of a more obvious proxy to float something out there for Biden than Obama.
Let’s say “something”, whatever the “something” is, has been kept secret for many years and you’re right that there’s moves afoot to reveal it. The way I see it there’s two reasons for that:
1) It has been concluded it’s the right thing to do; or
2) It has been assessed that it’s about to come out anyway in an uncontrolled fashion (e.g. increased use of better drones or increased volumes of private owned space assets).
1 seems unlikely so I think you’re left with 2, especially if it actually is extraterrestrial objects. That would mean no mad rush to reveal EVERYTHING in one go, but a sense it does need to come out in a controlled fashion in the next year or two.
I'd go with 2 (of the two options)
See all the new drone footage, from around the world, apparently showing exactly the same thing: small weird aircraft, like silvery bullets the size of a smartcar, capable of incredible speeds - 9,000mph or even 14,000mph
Drone cameras - a new technology - may be capturing so much footage of UAPs that is no longer credibly deniable or debunkable
That would move the USG to control the narrative and get the info out first, so they look like they are "in command" of the situation
Also plausible
This is the footage from Utah. No one has successfully debunked it
It's a fast moving flying object that he thinks is travelling at 9,000 miles per hour.
But which I'd reckon is actually travelling at about a quarter of that speed.
Why? Because at 9,000 miles per hour it would be compressing a lot of the air it hits. The wave it would generate as it went by (and the air jumped back into place) would result in trees moving an awful lot.
My guess is that it's a grey coloured XQ-58A (which is the US government's fighter drone) travelling at a supersonic speed.
lol
Lol?
If an object passes through air at a high speed, it compresses the air that hits the leading edges.
The faster it's travelling, the more compression there is.
And the more the air spring back once the object has passed.
Something travelling at 9,000 miles an hour (if it's the size they say it is) would be compressing an awful lot of air. So, either
(a) it's not the size they say it is (b) it's not going at the speed they say it is or (c) it's able to avoid compressing the air it travels through
My money is on (a) and/or (b).
Edit to add: watch the footage again. The trees don't seem to even register its presence. Doesn't that strike you as strange?
At 9000 mph isn't the speed great enough that the compression heats the air enough to burn the nitrogen?
Quite possibly.
Here are my questions:
(1) Could an alien civilization achieve massively more efficient propulsion to enable objects to travel at previously unimaginable speeds, to accelerate and brake in ways that would appear to break the laws of physics?
Yes. If they exist, one would expect them to have propulsion systems beyond the imagination of man.
(2) Could said civilization create new kinds of surface that would potentially dramatically reduce friction as craft travel through the air or water?
Yes. But that's harder.
(3) Could they avoid the fact that they're ultimately a solid object travelling through air?
No. Ultimately their craft will have mass. And that mass will push up against air. There's no avoiding compressing the air as you pass through it.
And that's why I'm sceptical of the Beaver, UT footage. Simply, if the trees and things swayed, that would make the movement much more plausible.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Clarke's Third Law.
But there are levels of difficulty.
We can conceive of power sources so vast you could accelerate to close to the speed of light in a short space. Even if we have no idea how that could be achieved, practically, we can conceive of methods.
And while we don't know how to dramatically reduce the friction a solid object would have in passing through the air, it certainly doesn't strike me as impossible.
What does strike me as unlikely, though, is that it has no interaction with the mass around it.
Air is stuff. Just like the mountain is stuff. If you can travel through the air without interacting with it in any way, then you could travel through the mountain too. And you'd also ask why light bothers to bounce off it as well.
I note that you have gone from confidently (and ludicrously) proclaiming that ‘this is just USAF drone 3X-FD5 flying at supersonic speed’ to wondering if this IS aliens, ‘but how have they broken all the laws of physics’?
In about 2 hours.
By Friday you will be entreating us to use pyramids to sharpen our razors
This video is almost certainly a fake.
There may well be other videos that have unexplainable stuff on them. But the simplest explanation for this video is that it's a fake.
Also, all the shit about them not wanting to release it, etc., that smacks of how mediums operate, and get's my suspicion meter right up.
1. The plausibility of their reportage. They genuinely feel real. Are they just great actors? Really? How have they benefited, financially?
2. The multiple (and worldwide) videos of similar phenomena. How and why? Is this a global conspiracy or a universal glitch in drone cameras? Hmm
3. The fact this is all entirely consonant with the US AF and navy reports (extreme speed and manoeuvres)
4. Obama. Wtf. Why would he choose last night, of all nights, to reverse his earlier statements and say Yes, UAP are real
How do you explain all that?
I'm not denying the possibility (or even the probability) of UAP.
But things that happen near to the ground need to be treated more sceptically, because one has to make many more assumptions. One isn't just assuming interstellar travel, and incredible propulsion systems, and the like, one also has to accept that it doesn't interact with the matter around it. (And if so, one has to ask why it bothers flying above the mountain, or having the light bounce off it...)
And that's a much harder ask. It's a massive difference in what you have to assume.
From previous thread, on pollution from driving versus walking, I've looked it up and it is a nonsense comparison - doing a full life cycle analysis (and taking pessimistic assumptions*) on greenhouse gas from food calorie production against only the CO2 emissions from burning fuel in a car for the equivalent distance.
I recall the PhD student being fairly convincing on this, but I probably should have pushed harder (still, it was only a mock more or less a throwaway line/reference in the introduction).
So, keep walking, folks
*damn scientists, tweaking the assumptions to get the answer they want!
FYI, returned about half a hour ago from WALKING to the store for some groceries. Like I've done every few days for a LONG time, before & during the pandemic.
SO how many other PBers do the same, on a regular basis?
Rarely - even a small amount in the rucksack has me sweating like a pig. Home delivery's been a godsend.
Not me. The former council's ridiculously strict planning policy means that all the homes are in areas unpolluted by, um, shops, and all the shops are nearly half an hour's walk away, partly up a steep hill. Life is too short. Home delivery yay!
When I lived in Nottingham, the housing was a few minutes from a huge supermarket, and of course I'd walk to it. I genuinely don't understand why any council wouldn't plan for that - healthier, cheaper, fewer carbon emissions - what's not to like?
Gadi Schwartz @GadiNBC · 24m With Obama weighing in today & Rubio’s statements this weekend, you’ve got to hope the issue of UAPs has finally transcended questions of political partisanship. Whatever they are, they seem to represent an inflection point for society as a whole.
There’s been an assumption even from the likes of Lue Elizondo that the June report to Congress won’t reveal too much new but will be the start of a longer process that might reveal a lot in time. Could be Elizondo is wrong and that the Biden government has decided to rip the plaster off. Hard to think of a more obvious proxy to float something out there for Biden than Obama.
Let’s say “something”, whatever the “something” is, has been kept secret for many years and you’re right that there’s moves afoot to reveal it. The way I see it there’s two reasons for that:
1) It has been concluded it’s the right thing to do; or
2) It has been assessed that it’s about to come out anyway in an uncontrolled fashion (e.g. increased use of better drones or increased volumes of private owned space assets).
1 seems unlikely so I think you’re left with 2, especially if it actually is extraterrestrial objects. That would mean no mad rush to reveal EVERYTHING in one go, but a sense it does need to come out in a controlled fashion in the next year or two.
I'd go with 2 (of the two options)
See all the new drone footage, from around the world, apparently showing exactly the same thing: small weird aircraft, like silvery bullets the size of a smartcar, capable of incredible speeds - 9,000mph or even 14,000mph
Drone cameras - a new technology - may be capturing so much footage of UAPs that is no longer credibly deniable or debunkable
That would move the USG to control the narrative and get the info out first, so they look like they are "in command" of the situation
Also plausible
This is the footage from Utah. No one has successfully debunked it
It's a fast moving flying object that he thinks is travelling at 9,000 miles per hour.
But which I'd reckon is actually travelling at about a quarter of that speed.
Why? Because at 9,000 miles per hour it would be compressing a lot of the air it hits. The wave it would generate as it went by (and the air jumped back into place) would result in trees moving an awful lot.
My guess is that it's a grey coloured XQ-58A (which is the US government's fighter drone) travelling at a supersonic speed.
lol
Lol?
If an object passes through air at a high speed, it compresses the air that hits the leading edges.
The faster it's travelling, the more compression there is.
And the more the air spring back once the object has passed.
Something travelling at 9,000 miles an hour (if it's the size they say it is) would be compressing an awful lot of air. So, either
(a) it's not the size they say it is (b) it's not going at the speed they say it is or (c) it's able to avoid compressing the air it travels through
My money is on (a) and/or (b).
Edit to add: watch the footage again. The trees don't seem to even register its presence. Doesn't that strike you as strange?
At 9000 mph isn't the speed great enough that the compression heats the air enough to burn the nitrogen?
Quite possibly.
Here are my questions:
(1) Could an alien civilization achieve massively more efficient propulsion to enable objects to travel at previously unimaginable speeds, to accelerate and brake in ways that would appear to break the laws of physics?
Yes. If they exist, one would expect them to have propulsion systems beyond the imagination of man.
(2) Could said civilization create new kinds of surface that would potentially dramatically reduce friction as craft travel through the air or water?
Yes. But that's harder.
(3) Could they avoid the fact that they're ultimately a solid object travelling through air?
No. Ultimately their craft will have mass. And that mass will push up against air. There's no avoiding compressing the air as you pass through it.
And that's why I'm sceptical of the Beaver, UT footage. Simply, if the trees and things swayed, that would make the movement much more plausible.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Clarke's Third Law.
But there are levels of difficulty.
We can conceive of power sources so vast you could accelerate to close to the speed of light in a short space. Even if we have no idea how that could be achieved, practically, we can conceive of methods.
And while we don't know how to dramatically reduce the friction a solid object would have in passing through the air, it certainly doesn't strike me as impossible.
What does strike me as unlikely, though, is that it has no interaction with the mass around it.
Air is stuff. Just like the mountain is stuff. If you can travel through the air without interacting with it in any way, then you could travel through the mountain too. And you'd also ask why light bothers to bounce off it as well.
I note that you have gone from confidently (and ludicrously) proclaiming that ‘this is just USAF drone 3X-FD5 flying at supersonic speed’ to wondering if this IS aliens, ‘but how have they broken all the laws of physics’?
In about 2 hours.
By Friday you will be entreating us to use pyramids to sharpen our razors
This video is almost certainly a fake.
There may well be other videos that have unexplainable stuff on them. But the simplest explanation for this video is that it's a fake.
Also, all the shit about them not wanting to release it, etc., that smacks of how mediums operate, and get's my suspicion meter right up.
1. The plausibility of their reportage. They genuinely feel real. Are they just great actors? Really? How have they benefited, financially?
2. The multiple (and worldwide) videos of similar phenomena. How and why? Is this a global conspiracy or a universal glitch in drone cameras? Hmm
3. The fact this is all entirely consonant with the US AF and navy reports (extreme speed and manoeuvres)
4. Obama. Wtf. Why would he choose last night, of all nights, to reverse his earlier statements and say Yes, UAP are real
How do you explain all that?
I'm not denying the possibility (or even the probability) of UAP.
But things that happen near to the ground need to be treated more sceptically, because one has to make many more assumptions. One isn't just assuming interstellar travel, and incredible propulsion systems, and the like, one also has to accept that it doesn't interact with the matter around it. (And if so, one has to ask why it bothers flying above the mountain, or having the light bounce off it...)
And that's a much harder ask. It's a massive difference in what you have to assume.
I’m going to go with the obvious and easiest answer. Despite much incredulity, US military and intelligence have now encountered enough UAP, with enough baffling technology, that they feel it’s best to be honest (rather than feed a population already high on Q-Anon etc)
So much drone footage is emerging that constant debunking does not work, and is possibly counter-productive
However they genuinely have no idea what it is. China? Aliens? God? They haven’t a clue and they’re being honest (and what held back many before, in reporting this, was fear of mockery)
What if advanced intelligent life is very rare in our galaxy?
Maybe most life is just microbes. We are an exception - but not unique
At that point we would be exceptionally interesting to another extra-terrestrial civilisation, with advanced technology, seeking to understand its own evolution
What if advanced intelligent life is very rare in our galaxy?
Maybe most life is just microbes. We are an exception - but not unique
At that point we would be exceptionally interesting to another extra-terrestrial civilisation, with advanced technology, seeking to understand its own evolution
“Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.”
I hope so, worst case they kill me, best case there's a universe out there waiting to be explored. The negatives of the former are vastly outweighed by the possibilities of the latter.
What if advanced intelligent life is very rare in our galaxy?
Maybe most life is just microbes. We are an exception - but not unique
At that point we would be exceptionally interesting to another extra-terrestrial civilisation, with advanced technology, seeking to understand its own evolution
And maybe they seeded Covid, just to see how we'd react to it...
What if advanced intelligent life is very rare in our galaxy?
Maybe most life is just microbes. We are an exception - but not unique
At that point we would be exceptionally interesting to another extra-terrestrial civilisation, with advanced technology, seeking to understand its own evolution
“Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.”
Perhaps we are the Lolita of species, and of planets. On the cusp of self awareness. Poised between innocence and knowing. We are therefore superbly attractive, as Obama said on tv, to ‘Pedophile Humbert Humbert planets’, grooming the galaxy for suitable prey
What if advanced intelligent life is very rare in our galaxy?
Maybe most life is just microbes. We are an exception - but not unique
At that point we would be exceptionally interesting to another extra-terrestrial civilisation, with advanced technology, seeking to understand its own evolution
“Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.”
Perhaps we are the Lolita of species, and of planets. On the cusp of self awareness. Poised between innocence and knowing. We are therefore superbly attractive, as Obama said on tv, to ‘Pedophile Humbert Humbert planets’, grooming the galaxy for suitable prey
Ok I’m going to bed. Night
"When they took @Leon up in the spaceship, the aliens abused him. Sexually."
What if advanced intelligent life is very rare in our galaxy?
Maybe most life is just microbes. We are an exception - but not unique
At that point we would be exceptionally interesting to another extra-terrestrial civilisation, with advanced technology, seeking to understand its own evolution
And maybe they seeded Covid, just to see how we'd react to it...
Nah, they fixed the 2016 election, just to see how the world would react.
Headteacher of Pimlico Academy who sparked race row revolt QUITS after school was rocked by mass pupil protests over 'racist' uniform policy, changing of curriculum, and the Union flag was torched
Headteacher of Pimlico Academy who sparked race row revolt QUITS after school was rocked by mass pupil protests over 'racist' uniform policy, changing of curriculum, and the Union flag was torched
Yep. Almost all the best players under 25 are Chinese. Given that they peak at around 35, in 10 years time it will be all China. And there seem to be 3 or 4 new 16 year olds every single year, who are pretty damn decent.
Shouldn't this be a Golden Age for British snooker coaches? And retailers of snooker-wear, snooker-shoes, snooker-cues?
OR are the great-grandsons & daughters of the Bulldog Breed asleep at the wheel?
Lots of snooker clubs closed. Not sure why: declining booze sales, perhaps, or the smoking ban.
All this UFO nonsense is a Number 10 dead cat to stop discussion of Dominic Cummings' revelations about government... well, whatever he was tweeting about.
From previous thread, on pollution from driving versus walking, I've looked it up and it is a nonsense comparison - doing a full life cycle analysis (and taking pessimistic assumptions*) on greenhouse gas from food calorie production against only the CO2 emissions from burning fuel in a car for the equivalent distance.
I recall the PhD student being fairly convincing on this, but I probably should have pushed harder (still, it was only a mock more or less a throwaway line/reference in the introduction).
So, keep walking, folks
*damn scientists, tweaking the assumptions to get the answer they want!
FYI, returned about half a hour ago from WALKING to the store for some groceries. Like I've done every few days for a LONG time, before & during the pandemic.
SO how many other PBers do the same, on a regular basis?
Rarely - even a small amount in the rucksack has me sweating like a pig. Home delivery's been a godsend.
Not me. The former council's ridiculously strict planning policy means that all the homes are in areas unpolluted by, um, shops, and all the shops are nearly half an hour's walk away, partly up a steep hill. Life is too short. Home delivery yay!
When I lived in Nottingham, the housing was a few minutes from a huge supermarket, and of course I'd walk to it. I genuinely don't understand why any council wouldn't plan for that - healthier, cheaper, fewer carbon emissions - what's not to like?
That's interesting.
I thought shop were a key resource for sustainable sites, along with Drs and Schools etc.
Though I confess I don't know how much leeway they have if they push it.
Meanwhile on topic, I don't think the Conservatives are unpopular enough for the Lib Dems to pull off what would be standard fayre midterm by-election win. The circumstances are different at the moment and the 45% Leave - 55% Remain vote from 5 years ago doesn't fill me with confidence that this is other than a Conservative win.
If the alleged Indian variant rips through the country (it won't) then it might be different but obviously no opposition politician would be hoping for such a thing.
Headteacher of Pimlico Academy who sparked race row revolt QUITS after school was rocked by mass pupil protests over 'racist' uniform policy, changing of curriculum, and the Union flag was torched
Headteacher of Pimlico Academy who sparked race row revolt QUITS after school was rocked by mass pupil protests over 'racist' uniform policy, changing of curriculum, and the Union flag was torched
Not sure the mob won... if he lost the support of staff/students/parents then his extremely well paid position is probably untenable.
I don’t think it was anything to do with the racist nutters at BLM. Admittedly their influence is creepy and unhelpful and it provides a convenient peg for the DM to hang their usual spiel on, but if that was all the school wouldn’t have got rid of him.
The problem seems to be that a large number of staff were about to strike and/or bring lawsuits over bullying allegations. Now *that* is a a serious matter with unfortunate financial implications.
Yep. Almost all the best players under 25 are Chinese. Given that they peak at around 35, in 10 years time it will be all China. And there seem to be 3 or 4 new 16 year olds every single year, who are pretty damn decent.
Shouldn't this be a Golden Age for British snooker coaches? And retailers of snooker-wear, snooker-shoes, snooker-cues?
OR are the great-grandsons & daughters of the Bulldog Breed asleep at the wheel?
Lots of snooker clubs closed. Not sure why: declining booze sales, perhaps, or the smoking ban.
My point is, snooker may be dying on it's feet in the UK (or at least less than robust) but it's clearly booming in China.
So MIGHT behoove a formerly great trading nation to get it's collective finger out, and start trading on its snooker cred with eager (and credulous) Chinese. Especially since you've gone and screwed up your commercial relationship with (rest of) Europe for a mess of Brexit.
I don't think it's a very good idea for prosecutions to get political. Hunting people in the courts because they are your political opponents is a Very Bad Thing.
On the other hand, it does look like the Trump Organization has played fast and loose, and may well have broken a great number of laws. (Declaring different values for buildings between the tax authority and your mortgage lender is a dangerous game: you're either committing tax fraud or mail fraud.)
Meanwhile on topic, I don't think the Conservatives are unpopular enough for the Lib Dems to pull off what would be standard fayre midterm by-election win. The circumstances are different at the moment and the 45% Leave - 55% Remain vote from 5 years ago doesn't fill me with confidence that this is other than a Conservative win.
If the alleged Indian variant rips through the country (it won't) then it might be different but obviously no opposition politician would be hoping for such a thing.
My gut is that it'll be Witney again, with the LibDems achieving a solid second place - something like 50-42.
That being said, if I were to be wrong, I think it's not likely I'd be wrong because the LibDems outperform.
Yep. Almost all the best players under 25 are Chinese. Given that they peak at around 35, in 10 years time it will be all China. And there seem to be 3 or 4 new 16 year olds every single year, who are pretty damn decent.
Shouldn't this be a Golden Age for British snooker coaches? And retailers of snooker-wear, snooker-shoes, snooker-cues?
OR are the great-grandsons & daughters of the Bulldog Breed asleep at the wheel?
Lots of snooker clubs closed. Not sure why: declining booze sales, perhaps, or the smoking ban.
My point is, snooker may be dying on it's feet in the UK (or at least less than robust) but it's clearly booming in China.
So MIGHT behoove a formerly great trading nation to get it's collective finger out, and start trading on its snooker cred with eager (and credulous) Chinese. Especially since you've gone and screwed up your commercial relationship with (rest of) Europe for a mess of Brexit.
Already done. Which partly explains why snooker is popular there in the first place. The snooker tour includes Chinese events, and a quick glance at the recent World Championship results finds five Chinese players took part. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/56762588
I don't think it's a very good idea for prosecutions to get political. Hunting people in the courts because they are your political opponents is a Very Bad Thing.
On the other hand, it does look like the Trump Organization has played fast and loose, and may well have broken a great number of laws. (Declaring different values for buildings between the tax authority and your mortgage lender is a dangerous game: you're either committing tax fraud or mail fraud.)
Not prosecuting crimes because the alleged perpetrator is a very important person is also a Very Bad Thing. The publicity seeking tendencies of the US prosecutorial system is perhaps more the problem ?
Headteacher of Pimlico Academy who sparked race row revolt QUITS after school was rocked by mass pupil protests over 'racist' uniform policy, changing of curriculum, and the Union flag was torched
Not sure the mob won... if he lost the support of staff/students/parents then his extremely well paid position is probably untenable.
I don’t think it was anything to do with the racist nutters at BLM. Admittedly their influence is creepy and unhelpful and it provides a convenient peg for the DM to hang their usual spiel on, but if that was all the school wouldn’t have got rid of him.
The problem seems to be that a large number of staff were about to strike and/or bring lawsuits over bullying allegations. Now *that* is a a serious matter with unfortunate financial implications.
Bullying and/or sociopathic heads are sadly not very rare phenomena. If they’re a little more subtle about it, they can get away with it for years.
Headteacher of Pimlico Academy who sparked race row revolt QUITS after school was rocked by mass pupil protests over 'racist' uniform policy, changing of curriculum, and the Union flag was torched
Not sure the mob won... if he lost the support of staff/students/parents then his extremely well paid position is probably untenable.
I don’t think it was anything to do with the racist nutters at BLM. Admittedly their influence is creepy and unhelpful and it provides a convenient peg for the DM to hang their usual spiel on, but if that was all the school wouldn’t have got rid of him.
The problem seems to be that a large number of staff were about to strike and/or bring lawsuits over bullying allegations. Now *that* is a a serious matter with unfortunate financial implications.
Agree with the comments above, my experience of a number of Academies is that they suffer from top-down, hierarchical structures that too often lead to bullying and poor leadership - the loss of 30 plus members of staff in 6 months (even with lockdown) speaks volumes about the leadership/management issues and not about wokeism...
I don't think it's a very good idea for prosecutions to get political. Hunting people in the courts because they are your political opponents is a Very Bad Thing.
On the other hand, it does look like the Trump Organization has played fast and loose, and may well have broken a great number of laws. (Declaring different values for buildings between the tax authority and your mortgage lender is a dangerous game: you're either committing tax fraud or mail fraud.)
Not prosecuting crimes because the alleged perpetrator is a very important person is also a Very Bad Thing. The publicity seeking tendencies of the US prosecutorial system is perhaps more the problem ?
Apologies for that shocking statement. It ought to have been “are the problem”.
Gadi Schwartz @GadiNBC · 24m With Obama weighing in today & Rubio’s statements this weekend, you’ve got to hope the issue of UAPs has finally transcended questions of political partisanship. Whatever they are, they seem to represent an inflection point for society as a whole.
There’s been an assumption even from the likes of Lue Elizondo that the June report to Congress won’t reveal too much new but will be the start of a longer process that might reveal a lot in time. Could be Elizondo is wrong and that the Biden government has decided to rip the plaster off. Hard to think of a more obvious proxy to float something out there for Biden than Obama.
Let’s say “something”, whatever the “something” is, has been kept secret for many years and you’re right that there’s moves afoot to reveal it. The way I see it there’s two reasons for that:
1) It has been concluded it’s the right thing to do; or
2) It has been assessed that it’s about to come out anyway in an uncontrolled fashion (e.g. increased use of better drones or increased volumes of private owned space assets).
1 seems unlikely so I think you’re left with 2, especially if it actually is extraterrestrial objects. That would mean no mad rush to reveal EVERYTHING in one go, but a sense it does need to come out in a controlled fashion in the next year or two.
I'd go with 2 (of the two options)
See all the new drone footage, from around the world, apparently showing exactly the same thing: small weird aircraft, like silvery bullets the size of a smartcar, capable of incredible speeds - 9,000mph or even 14,000mph
Drone cameras - a new technology - may be capturing so much footage of UAPs that is no longer credibly deniable or debunkable
That would move the USG to control the narrative and get the info out first, so they look like they are "in command" of the situation
Also plausible
This is the footage from Utah. No one has successfully debunked it
It's a fast moving flying object that he thinks is travelling at 9,000 miles per hour.
But which I'd reckon is actually travelling at about a quarter of that speed.
Why? Because at 9,000 miles per hour it would be compressing a lot of the air it hits. The wave it would generate as it went by (and the air jumped back into place) would result in trees moving an awful lot.
My guess is that it's a grey coloured XQ-58A (which is the US government's fighter drone) travelling at a supersonic speed.
lol
Lol?
If an object passes through air at a high speed, it compresses the air that hits the leading edges.
The faster it's travelling, the more compression there is.
And the more the air spring back once the object has passed.
Something travelling at 9,000 miles an hour (if it's the size they say it is) would be compressing an awful lot of air. So, either
(a) it's not the size they say it is (b) it's not going at the speed they say it is or (c) it's able to avoid compressing the air it travels through
My money is on (a) and/or (b).
Edit to add: watch the footage again. The trees don't seem to even register its presence. Doesn't that strike you as strange?
At 9000 mph isn't the speed great enough that the compression heats the air enough to burn the nitrogen?
Quite possibly.
Here are my questions:
(1) Could an alien civilization achieve massively more efficient propulsion to enable objects to travel at previously unimaginable speeds, to accelerate and brake in ways that would appear to break the laws of physics?
Yes. If they exist, one would expect them to have propulsion systems beyond the imagination of man.
(2) Could said civilization create new kinds of surface that would potentially dramatically reduce friction as craft travel through the air or water?
Yes. But that's harder.
(3) Could they avoid the fact that they're ultimately a solid object travelling through air?
No. Ultimately their craft will have mass. And that mass will push up against air. There's no avoiding compressing the air as you pass through it.
And that's why I'm sceptical of the Beaver, UT footage. Simply, if the trees and things swayed, that would make the movement much more plausible.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Clarke's Third Law.
But there are levels of difficulty.
We can conceive of power sources so vast you could accelerate to close to the speed of light in a short space. Even if we have no idea how that could be achieved, practically, we can conceive of methods.
And while we don't know how to dramatically reduce the friction a solid object would have in passing through the air, it certainly doesn't strike me as impossible.
What does strike me as unlikely, though, is that it has no interaction with the mass around it.
Air is stuff. Just like the mountain is stuff. If you can travel through the air without interacting with it in any way, then you could travel through the mountain too. And you'd also ask why light bothers to bounce off it as well.
We don’t yet understand what space and time really are. Which may be pertinent.
So, another night and the aliens still haven't taken over, that's a relief. I have been worrying about the consequences of this for PB; if we have an imposed world government then betting opportunities could be massively reduced. I hope Robert has contingency plans in place.
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P.S. UFO special report on NewsNight (straight up - there is!)
I’d vote Labour if he promised not to make this show
Plenty to maybe even buy his own island! And invite Bill Clinton and Prince Andy for "conferences" on world "affairs" and etc, etc.
I recall the PhD student being fairly convincing on this, but I probably should have pushed harder (still, it was only a mock more or less a throwaway line/reference in the introduction).
So, keep walking, folks
*damn scientists, tweaking the assumptions to get the answer they want!
SO how many other PBers do the same, on a regular basis?
BTW number of times I've ordered a food delivery from Amazon, Whole Foods, local grocery or anywhere else this millennium = zero.
Here are my questions:
(1) Could an alien civilization achieve massively more efficient propulsion to enable objects to travel at previously unimaginable speeds, to accelerate and brake in ways that would appear to break the laws of physics?
Yes. If they exist, one would expect them to have propulsion systems beyond the imagination of man.
(2) Could said civilization create new kinds of surface that would potentially dramatically reduce friction as craft travel through the air or water?
Yes. But that's harder.
(3) Could they avoid the fact that they're ultimately a solid object travelling through air?
No. Ultimately their craft will have mass. And that mass will push up against air. There's no avoiding compressing the air as you pass through it.
And that's why I'm sceptical of the Beaver, UT footage. Simply, if the trees and things swayed, that would make the movement much more plausible.
Incidentally a university contemporary of mine will be the ReformUK candidate in Chesham and Amersham
It's a 3 mile round trip to the nearest shop for me. Every other day at least.
Clarke's Third Law.
Former Pres Obama comes on TV, yesterday (the timing!), and contradicts his earlier testimony and says Yes, we cannot explain these, they are genuinely mysterious and exhibiting confounding technology
(he obvs wasn't talking directly about Beaver, Utah, but the UAP behaviour in that video exactly matches eye witness reports from the US navy etc)
Why on earth would ultra-rationalist Obama do this, unless he has very good reason?
Whatever the answer, something Truly Weird is happening
They* have you at their mercy.
*Aliens/pranksters/USAF
White & Higgins were absolute nutters!
Why? Snooker is ENORMOUS in China. 150m fans
https://www.ft.com/content/973ccf14-ad5a-4b0e-b6f6-9fad8634f3b0
And cheers for the reminder about that show. Will catch up
By the men who cruise the sky
And the Utah contrails can tell queer tales
As the US Air Force jets roar by . . .
(Apologies to the spirit of Robert W. Service)
And there seem to be 3 or 4 new 16 year olds every single year, who are pretty damn decent.
I mean, Thursday is borderline.
OR are the great-grandsons & daughters of the Bulldog Breed asleep at the wheel?
I guess my point is that a space craft that somehow flies like a normal aerial vehicle, banking to turn, is clearly interacting with the atmosphere around it... in which case, the air around it needs to move.
Jimmy’s hair now is a bit rough!
Great show. Higgins was a train wreck, quite sad to see. Reminds me of one of my mates when he was drinking
We can conceive of power sources so vast you could accelerate to close to the speed of light in a short space. Even if we have no idea how that could be achieved, practically, we can conceive of methods.
And while we don't know how to dramatically reduce the friction a solid object would have in passing through the air, it certainly doesn't strike me as impossible.
What does strike me as unlikely, though, is that it has no interaction with the mass around it.
Air is stuff. Just like the mountain is stuff. If you can travel through the air without interacting with it in any way, then you could travel through the mountain too. And you'd also ask why light bothers to bounce off it as well.
Shoes? You need a pair of Batley and Spens.
And for a natty waistcoat you can't go wrong with a Chesham and Amersham.
As a tribe they are brilliantly adapted to surviving in the rainforest, they have forensic skill at identifying poisonous fungi. Their ability to understand a helicopter, let alone explain what it’s doing, is zero
We might be them: the anemones in the rock pool, with some vague uneasy sense of being watched
Every week I keep seeing the discussion drift off into aliens. By some reasonably respected posters too.
Why can I only find this stuff here? Is there any news items anywhere else? I haven't looked hard but I just can't obviously see what is going on.
In about 2 hours.
By Friday you will be entreating us to use pyramids to sharpen our razors
There may well be other videos that have unexplainable stuff on them. But the simplest explanation for this video is that it's a fake.
Also, all the shit about them not wanting to release it, etc., that smacks of how mediums operate, and get's my suspicion meter right up.
It is making news in the States. Not here. One of the curiosities that makes it intriguing.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, etc etc
What makes me hesitate is this:
1. The plausibility of their reportage. They genuinely feel real. Are they just great actors? Really? How have they benefited, financially?
2. The multiple (and worldwide) videos of similar phenomena. How and why? Is this a global conspiracy or a universal glitch in drone cameras? Hmm
3. The fact this is all entirely consonant with the US AF and navy reports (extreme speed and manoeuvres)
4. Obama. Wtf. Why would he choose last night, of all nights, to reverse his earlier statements and say Yes, UAP are real
How do you explain all that?
But things that happen near to the ground need to be treated more sceptically, because one has to make many more assumptions. One isn't just assuming interstellar travel, and incredible propulsion systems, and the like, one also has to accept that it doesn't interact with the matter around it. (And if so, one has to ask why it bothers flying above the mountain, or having the light bounce off it...)
And that's a much harder ask. It's a massive difference in what you have to assume.
When I lived in Nottingham, the housing was a few minutes from a huge supermarket, and of course I'd walk to it. I genuinely don't understand why any council wouldn't plan for that - healthier, cheaper, fewer carbon emissions - what's not to like?
So much drone footage is emerging that constant debunking does not work, and is possibly counter-productive
However they genuinely have no idea what it is. China? Aliens? God? They haven’t a clue and they’re being honest (and what held back many before, in reporting this, was fear of mockery)
That’s the best I can do
Aliens in our midst by 2022?
Shadsy?
Maybe most life is just microbes. We are an exception - but not unique
At that point we would be exceptionally interesting to another extra-terrestrial civilisation, with advanced technology, seeking to understand its own evolution
Ok I’m going to bed. Night
‘The socialization of the UAP reality begins.....
Alien life looks more and more likely. Catholics are ready.’
https://twitter.com/disclosure89/status/1394818284931801090?s=21
Headteacher of Pimlico Academy who sparked race row revolt QUITS after school was rocked by mass pupil protests over 'racist' uniform policy, changing of curriculum, and the Union flag was torched
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9592523/Headteacher-Pimlico-Academy-sparked-race-row-revolt-QUITS.html
https://abcnews.go.com/US/york-attorney-generals-probe-trump-organization-now-criminal/story?id=77769624&cid=clicksource_4380645_1_heads_hero_live_hero_hed
This is the lead on BBC News website this morning: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57166735
I thought shop were a key resource for sustainable sites, along with Drs and Schools etc.
Though I confess I don't know how much leeway they have if they push it.
If the alleged Indian variant rips through the country (it won't) then it might be different but obviously no opposition politician would be hoping for such a thing.
The problem seems to be that a large number of staff were about to strike and/or bring lawsuits over bullying allegations. Now *that* is a a serious matter with unfortunate financial implications.
Boy, Nicola Sturgeon is really determined to utterly destroy education in Scotland, isn’t she?
So MIGHT behoove a formerly great trading nation to get it's collective finger out, and start trading on its snooker cred with eager (and credulous) Chinese. Especially since you've gone and screwed up your commercial relationship with (rest of) Europe for a mess of Brexit.
I don't think it's a very good idea for prosecutions to get political. Hunting people in the courts because they are your political opponents is a Very Bad Thing.
On the other hand, it does look like the Trump Organization has played fast and loose, and may well have broken a great number of laws. (Declaring different values for buildings between the tax authority and your mortgage lender is a dangerous game: you're either committing tax fraud or mail fraud.)
That being said, if I were to be wrong, I think it's not likely I'd be wrong because the LibDems outperform.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/56762588
The publicity seeking tendencies of the US prosecutorial system is perhaps more the problem ?
If they’re a little more subtle about it, they can get away with it for years.