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Boris, Boris vote supressor – politicalbetting.com
The Government’s plan to make it compulsory to provide photo ID before you can cast your vote would be a good idea if voter fraud was a problem and there is simply no evidence that it is.
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Death to identity cards.
Given how renewals work, there's going to be plenty of people in a similar situation, particularly at renewal time.
This has the potential to be an actual poll tax.
"grind up his ID card in his Moulinex and sprinkle it over his cornflakes and eat it"
I wonder whatever became of him?
A possibly even imaginary nut. We must smash everything if there is the potential for nuts.
Less true for urban areas, which is where the true Tory targets for vote suppression live and (currently) vote.
The Caledonian Sleeper is insanely expensive compared to other routes (airlines, normal trains)
Yet it is consistently sold out, even in First Class - and they have pretty crap trains, still, despite some updating
The new thing in travel is Experience, not just arriving somewhere on a normal boring plane to sit on a beach. Going by sleeper - especially on a brilliant route like Euston-Fort William - is an amazing experience IN ITSELF.
Other famous sleeper trains around the world - the Ghan for sure, maybe the Trans Siberian? - are also commercially successful. People want to have the experience
Fortunately, I have applied for a permanent postal vote. So I won't have to produce ID.
Thus increasing the potential for fraud.
The only trouble is that to experience it I myself have to go to London. Or to what TUD would call An Gearasdan. Which rather defeats the aim.
Happy memories of eating boiled eggs and toast in the restaurant car as dawn broke over Rannoch Moor in the 1970s ...
Meaning that a properly-conducted postal vote can be LESS susceptible to fraud & abuse than in-person voting.
Also note that every active registered voter in WA is automatically mailed a ballot for all elections in their jurisdiction. So NONE are turned away BEFORE they have a chance to submit their ballot and vote. Any challenge, and ultimate rejection takes place AFTER the person has voted.
Incidentally, the greatest source of mismatching signatures is NOT Tammany Hall type fraud, which is as rare as hens teeth in WA State.
Instead, it's wives signing for their husband's ballots or visa versa. Or parents doing same for the kids who are away at school. These get caught and are NOT counted. But not what you'd call criminal behavior, just human nature.
What could be more exciting for a Scotsman?
Perhaps it is TOO exciting for someone advanced in years by Scottish standards, ie about 43?
Mrs Thatcher is spinning in her grave at the plans for more state aid.
A Conservative government, A Conservative government doing that.
Quite possibly, and I would laugh till I pissed myself.
If this is about Republicans why have the Electoral Commission been in favour of this since 2014? I've not seen a good answer for that instead it's copying American debates primarily.
Boris, Boris, Vote Validator
So pushing for an amendment for more forms of ID seems like a good thing to do then?
Make the older Tory vote stand in line to vote.
She of course ended up loving it; I hardly slept a wink because of the constant shaking (that was the train, not Mrs P!).
Still the idea of dinner in London, then onto the train, waking up alongside Loch Lomond, and pulling into Fort William at 10:00am appeals, sleep or no sleep.
(*Before Covid, obvs.)
Police and border guards are experienced and trained to recognise aging, different hair styles, etc.
Poll workers will be neither.
Not that they would nessicarily vote Labour...
This would be the tat for the Tory tit.
It's not as if there aren't massively more important things to be addressing (e.g. social care)
They're going to do whatever they're going to do. So, therefore, should we.
This proposal should only go ahead if it is not for voter suppression purposes and it will not affect non fraudulent turnout.
Here's the list of permissible ID that you need to pick up a parcel at your local post office.
We’ll accept any of these:
• Birth certificate
• Building society book
• Cheque book
• Cheque guarantee card
• Council tax payment book
• Credit card
• Credit card statement (no older than 6 months)
• Debit card
• Full driving licence
• Marriage certificate
• Military photo ID
• Police Warrant Card
• Foreign national identity card
• National Savings bank book
• Valid passport
• Paid utilities bill (no older than 6 months)
• Standard acknowledgement letter (SAL) issued by the Home Office for asylum seekers
• Trade union card
https://www.postoffice.co.uk/mail/collection-services
If so then it's reluctantly valid so long as it doesn't suppress anyone and it doesn't introduce an ID Card.
The Indian variant figures are a bit worrying.
https://twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1391780417993334785?s=19
In slightly less important circumstances.
This isn't the USA where you have to take a day off work to go to the notoriously unhelpful DVLA to get ID.
The delicate balancing act is to not push R up too much too soon.
The 'end-lockdown-now' brigade on here have gone a bit quiet it seems, so maybe they too have noticed the slight uptick.
The Scottish experience persuaded me that 16 and 17 year olds should have the vote, but for EU citizens a vote in general elections is off, if they want the vote they can apply for citizenship.
I do agree with TSE up thread that postal voting should be greatly restricted.
If it "isn't difficult to get ID" then it isn't a secure method against fraud.
Actual difficulty of obtaining govt-issued ID in USA is not that onerous for most people, depending on state & jurisdiction. Most get it when applying or renewing driving licenses, which most of us have & need due to high level of car ownership.
BUT getting ID can be a challenge for some, both in time, expense AND access to appropriate govt. agency.
AND any such barrier to voting will disproportionately affect less affluent, less educated and less mobile.
The premise of the show, KGB agents living as Americans in the USA in the 80s, drew me in before I watched the pilot.
The pilot's use of Fleetwood Mac's "Tusk" (I believe a world record holding song for the number of musicians on a charting song, due to the number in the marching band they recorded with) is amazing.
I found the whole thing superbly paced, really well cast and acted, believably and intriguingly scripted. I'm not sure why you gave up after the first series!
But my favourite thing about it is that main characters Philip Jennings and Martha (the FBI secretary he's conning and screwing) are perfectly acted by a Welshman and a Mackem.
That won't help fraudsters/thieves if you misplace your card.
*My new TSB card has nothing on the front and everything listed on the back, including the account number and sort code.
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good enough.
Requiring voters to show identification in polling stations
Polling station voting in Great Britain remains vulnerable to personation fraud because there are currently few checks available to prevent someone claiming to be an elector and voting in their name. This part of the system could become more vulnerable to fraud as other processes (including electoral registration and postal or proxy voting) become more secure. We have therefore concluded that there should be a requirement for electors across Great Britain to present an acceptable form of identification prior to voting at the polling station.
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/sites/default/files/pdf_file/Electoral-fraud-review-final-report.pdf
I've stopped carrying a wallet quite frequently. I pay with my phone or my watch.
I don't think people take their cheque book everywhere like a debit card.
But not everyone is as tech savvy as us.
I think because of my day job I'm alert to all the scams out there, or rather the volume of them, which is astonishing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Stewards_of_the_Chiltern_Hundreds
The numbers aren't raised on cards like they are on most debit/credit cards.
They are not embossed.
"Papers please..."
A former Labour MP tweets.
Labour should outflank the Tories on this and call for a free National ID card for everyone. Labour legislated for ID cards in 2009 but it was stopped by the 2010 Tory/Lib Dem Cameron/Clegg coalition. It would ensure equity, combat identity theft and answer voter fraud concerns.
https://twitter.com/MikeGapes/status/1392223300429008897
That was in reply to a tweet pointing out
3.5 million voters in the UK have no form of photo ID and 11 million have no passport or driving licence – poor and BME groups in particular.
Surely it's all about the chip, or if you want a copy of the cards details then you could take an image of the card with a phone in a fraction of a second. The raised numbers are irrelevant for a photo.
A sign that I need to go to bed.
I'd compare our voting system to a financial system regulated by BaFin. We're not finding anything because we're not actively looking, that doesn't mean it isn't there.
Specific free voter ID cards which have no other utility would be fine. The only concern I have is that this government or a future one will use them as a basis for a national ID card system. Again I'm much less against them now than I was previously and I do see some utility for a static ID card having had one in Switzerland for a couple of years but we'd end up with some nightmare of social credit and checking in with local councils using the data to fine people for putting the wrong type of rubbish in their recycling bins.
Seriously- I'm going to think of this as a measurement problem. (It's the same issue that opinion polling has, actually.)
The job of elections is to measure the Will of the People. In particular, who, overall, do the electors of X town want to represent them on the council or in Parliament?
There are potential flaws in the current system of voting. It's pretty hard to register non-existent people, but dead people do stay on the roll for a bit. Maybe there's an abuse there. Perhaps we should find a tactful way of linking the register of deaths to the electoral roll. But if personation were happening in any significant numbers, we'd know about it- because lots of people would turn up and find that their vote had already happened. Not much evidence of that.
We could solve that problem with a requirement for ID. But any requirement for ID will mean that some people don't vote. If the requirements are onerous (and if it includes going to a council office in person in office hours, that counts as onerous) then quite a few people won't vote. Worse than that, they won't be a random slice of the population. And in that case, the election results might do a worse job of reflecting the WOTP than before.
Frankly, it would serve the government right if it means that rootless cosmopolitans can vote (because they all have passports) and some proudly patriotic government supporters can't.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9292521/100-days-long-Covid-torture-counting.html
It is not fun. Please god let this Indian variant Feck Off
Reminds me of discussions about how Mayor Daley "stole" the 1960 presidential election for Richard Nixon, by allegedly swinging the vote his way in Cook County.
Without knowing (or bothering to mention) that
> the only real in-depth study of actual votes concluded that while there was some funny business in the Windy City, it was NOT aimed at getting JFK elected (rather at defeating a Daley foe for Cook County Prosecuting Attorney, far more important to His Honor) and was not sufficient to change the statewide outcome.
> particular since there was a documented history of vote rigging by the Republicans in downstate Illinois, not everywhere certainly, but hardly rare right up through the mid-60s.
For example of #2, friend of mine was a Democratic poll watcher while a student at U of Illinois, and was assigned to a somewhat notorious poll site. When he arrived early on Election Day (mid 60s) before polls opened, the Republican poll inspector was already there, along with a closed ballot box.
So my friend asked to have the box opened so he could inspect it, as per state law.
His request was refused - until the inspector had taken the box to another room to "consult"with the other GOP poll officials. When the returned with the box, it was open - and empty!
Result: first time that precinct voted Democratic in living memory.
But my point is that sort code and account number has never been protected information. Nor should they be: knowing somebody's sort code and account number should not, and does not, give you access to empty their account.