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  • Cocky_cockneyCocky_cockney Posts: 760

    dixiedean said:

    s

    I'll try again, a different way.

    Can someone please tell me where you are getting results? BBC and Sky are hopeless.

    There is a good site I use called politicalbetting.com, a few overly obsessed with culture wars or pineapples but otherwise a lovely place and highly recommended.
    It's not a results service and I said I'd like something without commentary or trolling ;)

    Seriously. Is there no one site in the UK which just gives the bloody results?!!!!!!
    Seems not. I, too, would like one.
    @britainelects on Twitter is probably the best but even that's just selected results.
    YAY!!! Perfect. Thank you.

    Sorry to nag. Just needed raw results feed.

    Many thanks :)
  • RobDRobD Posts: 57,988
    IanB2 said:

    RobD said:

    Cicero said:

    IanB2 said:

    Shetland Islands:

    SNP hold

    SNP vote level, rise for the Indy

    EH? It was a Lib Dem seat, whats the result?
    I think that's Western Isles?
    Yes, sorry.
    No worries.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 72,952
    edited May 2021

    kinabalu said:

    Mandelson's deft political touch clearly deserted him a long time ago.

    " Lord Mandleson, a former MP for Hartlepool and one of the architects of New Labour, said the party had to embrace “Brexit attitudes” if it wanted to win back voters in places like his old constituency. He said that during the campaign voters did not raise the issue of leaving the EU on the doorstep. But he suggested that “Brexit attitudes” were now more important than class in determining how people voted, and that Labour had to respond."

    Such a one-dimensional strategy will just result in the loss of London and many similar places to the Lib Dems and Greens, and the reversal of the small inroads into the wider South Labour is making. Labour has to do something much more subtle and challenging than this - it needs to create a common thread between the two places. The Red Wall seats can't win it for Labour alone, clearly, if they lose large areas of metropolitan Britain, too. If Mandelson is advising Starmer purely on this basis, that doesn't inspire much confidence in Labour's future, to me.

    Quite. London will not be voting for a party that has "Brexit attitudes".

    FFS.
    Forget Brexit, the solution is for Labour to make a fresh new internationalist case from outside the EU. That way, you respect Leave and British independence but, crucially, you can also offer something to the core Labour base that the Tories never will as well - thus taking both sides with you.

    This is so fricking obvious yet so few in Labour seem to get it.
    They are all too busy on twitter where they are told they are owning the Tories, who are all racists like leave voters and most people will vote for kinder gentler fairer progressive politics in this election as everybody they know is going to.....and look to US, Biden won over Trump, and Boris is just Uk Trump, so that proves it.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 35,365
    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    Third labour loss in Durham. 1 seat to Lib Dem’s in Aycliffe north. It’s odd how the seats closer to Hartlepool are relatively good for labour.

    What I found interesting that the urban core of Blyth and Ashington (in Northumberland) is still solidly Labour. It's the outskirts where the Persimmon new-builds are aplenty where the Tory vote is the strongest, like @Philip_Thompson says.
    So, Bob has gone blue but Terry stays red?
    Contra the mood music: Bob & Thelma should be avocado-scoffing metropolitan elitists while Terry would be rooting for good old Boris shagging his way to victory while giving a fake but convincing impression of sticking it to the establishment.

    Used to love ‘the Lads’ when I were a lad.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 57,988

    IanB2 said:

    West Dunbartonshire, Clydebank:

    SNP hold

    Ian where are you getting your results please?

    Can someone please help me here? It's not a difficult question to answer, surely?

    Just need a results service I can run in the background whilst I work hence something commentary free preferably.

    Bloody hell. Just answer me plllllleeeeeeeeaaaaaaaasssssseeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!
    Honestly, this thread is probably the easiest.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,660
    edited May 2021
    There is a mega Unionist tactical vote surge going on.
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 2,928
    justin124 said:

    Today's results - so far - appear to convey a much more mixed message compared with what we saw overnight.

    A Government 11 years into governing making gains in midterm local elections?
  • HarryFreemanHarryFreeman Posts: 210
    Alistair said:

    There is a mega Unionist vote surge going on.

    "mega" ? Hmm..
  • ridaligoridaligo Posts: 174

    kinabalu said:

    ridaligo said:

    New thread damnit ...

    FPT

    So Labour lefties think that the reason they lost Hartlepool was because they weren't loony lefty enough? And the response to the huge defeat there is to double down on Corbyn policies? If that is the case they are deluded beyond belief. Sorry, Jezziah, but your diagnosis is so, so wrong.

    In trying to hold both the metro elite and the working class Labour vote together SKS has an impossible task: you can't take the knee wrapped in the Union flag and please both constituencies; you end up alienating both of them. He needs to choose, as Casino mentioned upthread.

    Despite people on the left of centre deriding the "culture war" as non-existent, to me it is very real. I was amazed by last evening's discussion on here that so many people had never experienced the impact of wokeness as work. I work for a large US (East Coast) global corporation and our senior management and HR are obsessed by it - our cooperate intranet is like the BBC home page with article after article on E, D & I. Maybe smaller UK firms have yet to be afflicted by it but if anyone has access to the CIPD magazine you will get an idea what is coming in terms of UK HR - the CIPD has bought into the woke agenda hook, line and sinker.

    This stuff is not going away. The people of Hartlepool may not be exposed to it in the workplace (yet) but they can see the way it is affecting popular culture and they don't like it.

    For now, the Conservatives have parked their tanks on Labour's lawn when it comes to government spending and Boris is seen as standing up for traditional British values. Labour's only response to government spending is to spend more, which lacks credibility, and it appears to be actively against traditional British values.

    So what does Labour do? Is the plan to sit and wait for the Tories to implode (most likely when the COVID spending chickens come home to roost), keep the fragile coalition together and hope that by that time demographics have worked in its favour? It might work but it doesn't really address the fundamental issue of where it stands on the British values question.

    Blair won for a reason; when the time came, mainstream Britain was not repelled by Labour. It is now.

    I have worked in HR for many years. I am instinctively right of centre politically. Sorry to break it to you, but diversity and inclusion is not about "wokeness", it is about the fact that it has been clearly proven that diverse teams are more innovative, and paradoxically perhaps, more cohesive. Maintaining the team profiles (particularly senior ones) of yesteryear that were dominated by middle aged white men is not in any organisations' interest. Most companies are recognising this, though it is a difficult challenge to address without "positive discrimination" or "affirmative action" (as it is called in the US) which is illegal in this country. One of the ways to challenge it is to promote literature and documentation that promotes the change. Hope that helps!
    Excellent post, Nigel. There are valid concerns about woke but my strong sense of the more ardent antiwokerati is they are a motley mix of the plain ignorant and those more knowing who are eminently comfortable with the old hierarchies and affronted by them being challenged.
    Indeed. I think part of the challenge for those of us who recognise the benefits of diversity is that it is made harder as a message by people on the woke extreme. That said, today's "PC gone mad" may well be seen by future generations as perfectly normal. Look how perceptions have changed with respect to gay people.
    I think that's different. Live and let live for most reasonable people. The woke agenda is not interested in live and let live.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,660

    IanB2 said:

    West Dunbartonshire, Clydebank:

    SNP hold

    Ian where are you getting your results please?

    Can someone please help me here? It's not a difficult question to answer, surely?

    Just need a results service I can run in the background whilst I work hence something commentary free preferably.

    Bloody hell. Just answer me plllllleeeeeeeeaaaaaaaasssssseeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!
    Twitter look at the #sp21result hashtag.
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884
    RobD said:

    Floater said:

    https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1390635255380561922

    CONFIRMED: Tories win Cleveland Police and Crime Commissioner on first round:
    Con: 74,023
    Lab: 39,467
    IND: 16,667
    LibDem: 6,540

    Not the most exciting of elections but still....

    I've never had the opportunity to vote for a police and crime commissioner but really couldn't care what party they are a member of. Surely it should be a matter of What is their experience? and Did the incumbent do a good or bad job?
    I think they're hindered by novelty and a clunky name. That first time around turnout for these was very low. Its no surprise that its climbing upwards.
    Should have gone for "First Crime Lord" or some such.
    Sheriff works.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 72,952
    edited May 2021
    justin124 said:

    Today's results - so far - appear to convey a much more mixed message compared with what we saw overnight.

    It must be bad for Labour if thats the best you can do....what about the trends leading up to 1741 election?

    We are 11 years into Tory run government, they should be getting mullered.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    Third labour loss in Durham. 1 seat to Lib Dem’s in Aycliffe north. It’s odd how the seats closer to Hartlepool are relatively good for labour.

    What I found interesting that the urban core of Blyth and Ashington (in Northumberland) is still solidly Labour. It's the outskirts where the Persimmon new-builds are aplenty where the Tory vote is the strongest, like @Philip_Thompson says.
    So, Bob has gone blue but Terry stays red?
    Contra the mood music: Bob & Thelma should be avocado-scoffing metropolitan elitists while Terry would be rooting for good old Boris shagging his way to victory while giving a fake but convincing impression of sticking it to the establishment.

    Used to love ‘the Lads’ when I were a lad.

    Thelma and Margo were the harbingers of Thatcher. From the 1970s perspective, tomorrow belonged to them.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 3,301

    RobD said:

    Floater said:

    https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1390635255380561922

    CONFIRMED: Tories win Cleveland Police and Crime Commissioner on first round:
    Con: 74,023
    Lab: 39,467
    IND: 16,667
    LibDem: 6,540

    Not the most exciting of elections but still....

    I've never had the opportunity to vote for a police and crime commissioner but really couldn't care what party they are a member of. Surely it should be a matter of What is their experience? and Did the incumbent do a good or bad job?
    I think they're hindered by novelty and a clunky name. That first time around turnout for these was very low. Its no surprise that its climbing upwards.
    Should have gone for "First Crime Lord" or some such.
    Sheriff works.
    Perhaps less so in Nottingham.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 42,824

    IanB2 said:

    West Dunbartonshire, Clydebank:

    SNP hold

    Ian where are you getting your results please?

    Can someone please help me here? It's not a difficult question to answer, surely?

    Just need a results service I can run in the background whilst I work hence something commentary free preferably.

    Bloody hell. Just answer me plllllleeeeeeeeaaaaaaaasssssseeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!
    I have the TV on, a few website running, and Twitter up. There’s no such thing as an easy life. Shortly I will be taking the dog for a walk and getting my first haircut since November.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 7,892
    edited May 2021

    justin124 said:

    Today's results - so far - appear to convey a much more mixed message compared with what we saw overnight.

    A Government 11 years into governing making gains in midterm local elections?
    We can't be 11 years into this government.

    Boris brought the last two Prime Ministers down.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,327
    Selebian said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    Third labour loss in Durham. 1 seat to Lib Dem’s in Aycliffe north. It’s odd how the seats closer to Hartlepool are relatively good for labour.

    What I found interesting that the urban core of Blyth and Ashington (in Northumberland) is still solidly Labour. It's the outskirts where the Persimmon new-builds are aplenty where the Tory vote is the strongest, like @Philip_Thompson says.
    So, Bob has gone blue but Terry stays red?
    I'm just old enough to get that, but only due to repeats and due to my parents watching it.
    I had completely forgotten about The Likely Lads But looking at the dates of the shows, it must have been Whatever Happened to the Likely Lads? that I remember viewing on TV as a kid.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 24,465

    RobD said:

    Floater said:

    https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1390635255380561922

    CONFIRMED: Tories win Cleveland Police and Crime Commissioner on first round:
    Con: 74,023
    Lab: 39,467
    IND: 16,667
    LibDem: 6,540

    Not the most exciting of elections but still....

    I've never had the opportunity to vote for a police and crime commissioner but really couldn't care what party they are a member of. Surely it should be a matter of What is their experience? and Did the incumbent do a good or bad job?
    I think they're hindered by novelty and a clunky name. That first time around turnout for these was very low. Its no surprise that its climbing upwards.
    Should have gone for "First Crime Lord" or some such.
    Sheriff works.
    Might not be popular in Nottingham.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 17,402

    justin124 said:

    Today's results - so far - appear to convey a much more mixed message compared with what we saw overnight.

    A Government 11 years into governing making gains in midterm local elections?
    It is not even a year since the election. Boris's (possibly accidental) genius is to have run as the outsider, against the previous Conservative governments.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 72,757
    Con vs NOC for Nottinghamshire is going to be tight.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,327

    justin124 said:

    Today's results - so far - appear to convey a much more mixed message compared with what we saw overnight.

    A Government 11 years into governing making gains in midterm local elections?
    We can't be 11 years into this government.

    Boris brought the last two Prime Minister's down.
    LOL. The Tories are the loyal opposition to the Boris Party.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 57,160
    Lots of unionist tactical voting going on in Scotland...

    If replicated across the country, Cowdenbeath and Rutherglen would both be LAB gains from SNP.


    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1390652375208271879?s=20
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 15,931

    justin124 said:

    Today's results - so far - appear to convey a much more mixed message compared with what we saw overnight.

    A Government 11 years into governing making gains in midterm local elections?
    Kind of, the coalition and this government are almost political opposites both economically and culturally, with Mays version different again so it is not really the same government for those who arent in the "Loyalist Tories" or "Would never kiss a Tory" tribes.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 17,712
    Bozo taking credit for Hartlepool United not being in the European Super League.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    justin124 said:

    Today's results - so far - appear to convey a much more mixed message compared with what we saw overnight.

    A Government 11 years into governing making gains in midterm local elections?
    We have yet to reach midterm. Moreover the Macmillan Tory Government made gains at the local elections of 1960 and 1961. The Tories lost the 1964 election.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 45,333
    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Tories up in Western isles, SNP and LDs down

    Not major, but hmmm

    Perthshire North and Perthshire South together wjth Angus North are the interesting ones.

    The SNP share does seem marginally down even although their votes are up (higher turnout). Not enough to move a lot of seats but some.
    So it sounds like almost status quo ante, the SNP maybe down a couple of seats. Tories up a couple?

    I am hoping Labour take more than a couple as well to leave the SNP short.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Curtice

    The SNP will be worried" about the amount of tactical voting here.

    https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1390651816522752000
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 42,989
    "608,471 new vaccinations in UK yesterday

    England 101,594 1st doses / 419,232 2nd doses
    Scotland 15,998 / 23,912
    Wales 11,626 / 16,118
    NI 6,252 / 13,739"
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,145
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    West Dunbartonshire, Clydebank:

    SNP hold

    Ian where are you getting your results please?

    Can someone please help me here? It's not a difficult question to answer, surely?

    Just need a results service I can run in the background whilst I work hence something commentary free preferably.

    Bloody hell. Just answer me plllllleeeeeeeeaaaaaaaasssssseeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!
    I have the TV on, a few website running, and Twitter up. There’s no such thing as an easy life. Shortly I will be taking the dog for a walk and getting my first haircut since November.
    Hmm, can't be easy seeing the screens, never mind where to take the hound.
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884
    edited May 2021
    kyf_100 said:

    RobD said:

    Floater said:

    https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1390635255380561922

    CONFIRMED: Tories win Cleveland Police and Crime Commissioner on first round:
    Con: 74,023
    Lab: 39,467
    IND: 16,667
    LibDem: 6,540

    Not the most exciting of elections but still....

    I've never had the opportunity to vote for a police and crime commissioner but really couldn't care what party they are a member of. Surely it should be a matter of What is their experience? and Did the incumbent do a good or bad job?
    I think they're hindered by novelty and a clunky name. That first time around turnout for these was very low. Its no surprise that its climbing upwards.
    Should have gone for "First Crime Lord" or some such.
    Sheriff works.
    Perhaps less so in Nottingham.
    Less?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 23,770

    Bozo taking credit for Hartlepool United not being in the European Super League.

    Ironic considering their continued re-election to the Football League for many years.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 15,033
    edited May 2021
    ..
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 24,465
    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Tories up in Western isles, SNP and LDs down

    Not major, but hmmm

    Perthshire North and Perthshire South together wjth Angus North are the interesting ones.

    The SNP share does seem marginally down even although their votes are up (higher turnout). Not enough to move a lot of seats but some.
    So it sounds like almost status quo ante, the SNP maybe down a couple of seats. Tories up a couple?

    I am hoping Labour take more than a couple as well to leave the SNP short.
    If Clydebank is replicated.
    Interesting for Airdrie and Shotts in a week too.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Lanchester (County Durham) council result:

    Con: 35.7% (+15.2)
    Lab: 30.6% (-6.2)
    Ind: 11.7% (+3.7)
    IndGrp: 8.1% (+8.1)
    LDem: 7.5% (-2.0)
    Grn: 6.4% (+6.4)

    Con GAIN from Lab

  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    justin124 said:

    Today's results - so far - appear to convey a much more mixed message compared with what we saw overnight.

    A Government 11 years into governing making gains in midterm local elections?
    It is not even a year since the election. Boris's (possibly accidental) genius is to have run as the outsider, against the previous Conservative governments.
    It is 17 months since the December 2019 election.
  • MaffewMaffew Posts: 229
    608,471 new vaccinations in Flag of United Kingdom yesterday

    England 101,594 1st doses / 419,232 2nd doses
    Scotland 15,998 / 23,912
    Wales 11,626 / 16,118
    NI 6,252 / 13,739

    https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1390653435394002947

    Not bad I think, but we want Novavax! Seriously though, I would really quite like to be vaccinated now (33 year old). I keep telling myself patience is a virtue...
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,853
    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Tories up in Western isles, SNP and LDs down

    Not major, but hmmm

    Perthshire North and Perthshire South together wjth Angus North are the interesting ones.

    The SNP share does seem marginally down even although their votes are up (higher turnout). Not enough to move a lot of seats but some.
    So it sounds like almost status quo ante, the SNP maybe down a couple of seats. Tories up a couple?

    I am hoping Labour take more than a couple as well to leave the SNP short.
    Would be great to reduce te SNP contingent for a second successive election.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 57,160
    Better.....


  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 32,292
    edited May 2021
    ridaligo said:

    kinabalu said:

    ridaligo said:

    New thread damnit ...

    FPT

    So Labour lefties think that the reason they lost Hartlepool was because they weren't loony lefty enough? And the response to the huge defeat there is to double down on Corbyn policies? If that is the case they are deluded beyond belief. Sorry, Jezziah, but your diagnosis is so, so wrong.

    In trying to hold both the metro elite and the working class Labour vote together SKS has an impossible task: you can't take the knee wrapped in the Union flag and please both constituencies; you end up alienating both of them. He needs to choose, as Casino mentioned upthread.

    Despite people on the left of centre deriding the "culture war" as non-existent, to me it is very real. I was amazed by last evening's discussion on here that so many people had never experienced the impact of wokeness as work. I work for a large US (East Coast) global corporation and our senior management and HR are obsessed by it - our cooperate intranet is like the BBC home page with article after article on E, D & I. Maybe smaller UK firms have yet to be afflicted by it but if anyone has access to the CIPD magazine you will get an idea what is coming in terms of UK HR - the CIPD has bought into the woke agenda hook, line and sinker.

    This stuff is not going away. The people of Hartlepool may not be exposed to it in the workplace (yet) but they can see the way it is affecting popular culture and they don't like it.

    For now, the Conservatives have parked their tanks on Labour's lawn when it comes to government spending and Boris is seen as standing up for traditional British values. Labour's only response to government spending is to spend more, which lacks credibility, and it appears to be actively against traditional British values.

    So what does Labour do? Is the plan to sit and wait for the Tories to implode (most likely when the COVID spending chickens come home to roost), keep the fragile coalition together and hope that by that time demographics have worked in its favour? It might work but it doesn't really address the fundamental issue of where it stands on the British values question.

    Blair won for a reason; when the time came, mainstream Britain was not repelled by Labour. It is now.

    I have worked in HR for many years. I am instinctively right of centre politically. Sorry to break it to you, but diversity and inclusion is not about "wokeness", it is about the fact that it has been clearly proven that diverse teams are more innovative, and paradoxically perhaps, more cohesive. Maintaining the team profiles (particularly senior ones) of yesteryear that were dominated by middle aged white men is not in any organisations' interest. Most companies are recognising this, though it is a difficult challenge to address without "positive discrimination" or "affirmative action" (as it is called in the US) which is illegal in this country. One of the ways to challenge it is to promote literature and documentation that promotes the change. Hope that helps!
    Excellent post, Nigel. There are valid concerns about woke but my strong sense of the more ardent antiwokerati is they are a motley mix of the plain ignorant and those more knowing who are eminently comfortable with the old hierarchies and affronted by them being challenged.
    That motley mix is quite a few people ... more than half the country?

    Plain ignorant = someone who disagrees with you ;-)

    But you make my argument for me with your point about people pushing back when their values and way of life are challenged. Do you think people will accept something that threatens them or that they disagree with? Maybe they will reject these ideas when given the opportunity to express themselves without fear of reprisal ... at the ballot box?
    Nothing like half the country are "ardent antiwokerati", thank god! And, yes, it could be that many WWC people are voting as the 1st of those "W"s. They see the Tories as standing up for 'trad' values. They think Labour and the left are obsessed with minorities and women and don't care about class inequality. For me, this is nothing but a Tory talking point and attack line - that the Tories care intensely about devolving wealth & power towards working people is a notion I find ludicrous - but this doesn't mean it isn't swallowed by others. In fact, I fear it's believed quite widely and is a part of what's killing Labour at the ballot box right now.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 42,989
    "@lewis_goodall
    SNP sources saying they’re on the one hand pleaded with boosted turnout which they think is in their favour but saying they think there’s been significant unionist tactical voting. Let’s see."


    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1390654324536193025
  • 3ChordTrick3ChordTrick Posts: 96
    Plaid inceasingly confident they have taken Aberconwy from Janet Finch-Saunders and the Tories.

    That is a surprise.

    @Big_G_NorthWales seat I think.
  • TazTaz Posts: 6,235
    2 more Tory gains in Durham. In the previously safe labour seat of delves lane. Gain from labour.
  • HarryFreemanHarryFreeman Posts: 210
    Maffew said:

    608,471 new vaccinations in Flag of United Kingdom yesterday

    England 101,594 1st doses / 419,232 2nd doses
    Scotland 15,998 / 23,912
    Wales 11,626 / 16,118
    NI 6,252 / 13,739

    https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1390653435394002947

    Not bad I think, but we want Novavax! Seriously though, I would really quite like to be vaccinated now (33 year old). I keep telling myself patience is a virtue...

    When will there be a swingback to first doses ? June ?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 45,333
    BBC reporting Swinney is likely to hold on. Hopefully the arithmetic is being done by the product of the education system he has catastrophically presided over.
  • MaffewMaffew Posts: 229

    Maffew said:

    608,471 new vaccinations in Flag of United Kingdom yesterday

    England 101,594 1st doses / 419,232 2nd doses
    Scotland 15,998 / 23,912
    Wales 11,626 / 16,118
    NI 6,252 / 13,739

    https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1390653435394002947

    Not bad I think, but we want Novavax! Seriously though, I would really quite like to be vaccinated now (33 year old). I keep telling myself patience is a virtue...

    When will there be a swingback to first doses ? June ?
    I think a small one this month and a bigger one next month.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,853
    Con lose Cambridgeshire to NOC. No chance of gaining Oxfordshire now.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 42,824

    Maffew said:

    608,471 new vaccinations in Flag of United Kingdom yesterday

    England 101,594 1st doses / 419,232 2nd doses
    Scotland 15,998 / 23,912
    Wales 11,626 / 16,118
    NI 6,252 / 13,739

    https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1390653435394002947

    Not bad I think, but we want Novavax! Seriously though, I would really quite like to be vaccinated now (33 year old). I keep telling myself patience is a virtue...

    When will there be a swingback to first doses ? June ?
    Logically you’d expect that, with the second doses starting late March
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,327
    Maffew said:

    Maffew said:

    608,471 new vaccinations in Flag of United Kingdom yesterday

    England 101,594 1st doses / 419,232 2nd doses
    Scotland 15,998 / 23,912
    Wales 11,626 / 16,118
    NI 6,252 / 13,739

    https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1390653435394002947

    Not bad I think, but we want Novavax! Seriously though, I would really quite like to be vaccinated now (33 year old). I keep telling myself patience is a virtue...

    When will there be a swingback to first doses ? June ?
    I think a small one this month and a bigger one next month.
    Swingback gave me a flash back. Rod Cosby ... Was he perma-banned?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 42,824
    Off into the sunshine
  • HarryFreemanHarryFreeman Posts: 210
    TimT said:

    Maffew said:

    Maffew said:

    608,471 new vaccinations in Flag of United Kingdom yesterday

    England 101,594 1st doses / 419,232 2nd doses
    Scotland 15,998 / 23,912
    Wales 11,626 / 16,118
    NI 6,252 / 13,739

    https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1390653435394002947

    Not bad I think, but we want Novavax! Seriously though, I would really quite like to be vaccinated now (33 year old). I keep telling myself patience is a virtue...

    When will there be a swingback to first doses ? June ?
    I think a small one this month and a bigger one next month.
    Swingback gave me a flash back. Rod Cosby ... Was he perma-banned?
    Banned ? Flash ? Ghost ? Man...
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Frodsham (Cheshire West and Chester) council result:

    Con: 44.4% (-3.2)
    Lab: 38.8% (+14.0)
    LDem: 11.5% (+5.2)
    Grn: 5.3% (-4.1)

    No Ind (-11.9) as prev.

    Con HOLD

    Labour did better there
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 7,306
    edited May 2021
    For once, I don't agree at all here, Horse. A conscious effort to divide the party now would be the end of it, I think. A split might not be a disaster if the left and right parties were willing to work together again at elections, but I struggle to see how that could happen if the split was deliberately acrimonious.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 45,358
    Cracking article (which is to say that I broadly agree with it) on the vexed topic of waiving pharmaceutical patents.
    https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/05/06/waiving-ip
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 35,365
    The Liberal Party has been on some journey.

    https://twitter.com/radioclydenews/status/1390646345728409600?s=21
  • RobinWiggsRobinWiggs Posts: 621

    Wrexham Council
    @wrexhamcbc
    ·
    12m
    Turnout for the Clwyd South Senedd election has been confirmed as 59%.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 1,488
    Chameleon said:

    Con lose Cambridgeshire to NOC. No chance of gaining Oxfordshire now.

    Well I wonder who is "winning here", :smiley:
  • RobinWiggsRobinWiggs Posts: 621
    Wrexham Council
    @wrexhamcbc
    Turnout for the Wrexham Senedd election has been confirmed as 43%.
    2:05 PM · May 7, 2021·Orlo
  • https://twitter.com/SophyRidgeSky/status/1390657320728899584

    And this is where Labour must look to now.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 15,309
    TimT said:

    Maffew said:

    Maffew said:

    608,471 new vaccinations in Flag of United Kingdom yesterday

    England 101,594 1st doses / 419,232 2nd doses
    Scotland 15,998 / 23,912
    Wales 11,626 / 16,118
    NI 6,252 / 13,739

    https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1390653435394002947

    Not bad I think, but we want Novavax! Seriously though, I would really quite like to be vaccinated now (33 year old). I keep telling myself patience is a virtue...

    When will there be a swingback to first doses ? June ?
    I think a small one this month and a bigger one next month.
    Swingback gave me a flash back. Rod Cosby ... Was he perma-banned?
    Given he was/is an anti-semite and a Holocaust denier, I dare say his ban is permanent, yes.
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 516
    Chameleon said:

    Con lose Cambridgeshire to NOC

    I'm happy to see this -- I think the previous situation where the Tories could have control of the county council with zero seats in Cambridge city was pretty terrible -- the county govt ought to feel politically motivated to consider the needs of both urban and rural parts of its area. Though balance-of-power is with the three or four indy councillors, so not sure how exactly it'll turn out.
  • pingping Posts: 3,210
    edited May 2021
    Interesting.

    Someone’s punted £600 @4/1 on snp<60 seats

    I’m on this bet at higher odds.
  • MaffewMaffew Posts: 229
    WTAF? I thought the Liberals had become a Liverpool based eurosceptic offshoot of the Lib Dems, not whatever that is.

    The "love" salute as they all click their heels together is particularly disturbing.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 32,292
    edited May 2021
    Selebian said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    Third labour loss in Durham. 1 seat to Lib Dem’s in Aycliffe north. It’s odd how the seats closer to Hartlepool are relatively good for labour.

    What I found interesting that the urban core of Blyth and Ashington (in Northumberland) is still solidly Labour. It's the outskirts where the Persimmon new-builds are aplenty where the Tory vote is the strongest, like @Philip_Thompson says.
    So, Bob has gone blue but Terry stays red?
    I'm just old enough to get that, but only due to repeats and due to my parents watching it.
    :smile:

    Oh what happened to you? Whatever happened to me?
    How come we're voting Tory now?
    How the fuck can this be?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Wolverhampton Result #LE2021:

    LAB: 14 (-5)
    CON: 8 (+5)

  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,681
    In Wolverhampton Conservatives gained seats in the East where they got big swings in 2019 GE (gaining North East)

    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1390657713269510146?s=20
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 7,306
    edited May 2021

    https://twitter.com/SophyRidgeSky/status/1390657320728899584

    And this is where Labour must look to now.

    And there I definitely agree.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 7,892
    Chameleon said:

    Con lose Cambridgeshire to NOC. No chance of gaining Oxfordshire now.

    Light blues are light on blues.
    (Actually, that's been true for ages in the city.)
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,681
    Perthshire North

    Sweeney 49.5%
    Fraser 39.4%

    Not much change. Both up +0.something%
  • RobinWiggsRobinWiggs Posts: 621
    Wrexham Council
    @wrexhamcbc
    ·
    3m
    Replying to
    @wrexhamcbc
    Apologies - the turnout for Clwyd South was 44% (not 59%).
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 30,264
    Nigelb said:

    Cracking article (which is to say that I broadly agree with it) on the vexed topic of waiving pharmaceutical patents.
    https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/05/06/waiving-ip

    Many years ago, at the height of the AIDS epidemic, the makers of AZT offered to sell the IP to a suitable international body. The UN was mentioned.

    Everyone ran away screaming when it became clear that with the drug IP, they were going to hand over all the legal responsibilities as well...
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 35,365
    There appear to be limits on the old nose holding.
    https://twitter.com/kieranpandrews/status/1390657447266750466?s=21
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Parsons Heath and East Gates (Essex) council result:

    Con: 41.2% (+7.1)
    LDem: 33.0% (-10.3)
    Lab: 15.0% (+3.2)
    Grn: 10.8% (+6.7)

    Con GAIN from LDem
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 32,292
    edited May 2021

    kinabalu said:

    Mandelson's deft political touch clearly deserted him a long time ago.

    " Lord Mandleson, a former MP for Hartlepool and one of the architects of New Labour, said the party had to embrace “Brexit attitudes” if it wanted to win back voters in places like his old constituency. He said that during the campaign voters did not raise the issue of leaving the EU on the doorstep. But he suggested that “Brexit attitudes” were now more important than class in determining how people voted, and that Labour had to respond."

    Such a one-dimensional strategy will just result in the loss of London and many similar places to the Lib Dems and Greens, and the reversal of the small inroads into the wider South Labour is making. Labour has to do something much more subtle and challenging than this - it needs to create a common thread between the two places. The Red Wall seats can't win it for Labour alone, clearly, if they lose large areas of metropolitan Britain, too. If Mandelson is advising Starmer purely on this basis, that doesn't inspire much confidence in Labour's future, to me.

    Quite. London will not be voting for a party that has "Brexit attitudes".

    FFS.
    Forget Brexit, the solution is for Labour to make a fresh new internationalist case from outside the EU. That way, you respect Leave and British independence but, crucially, you can also offer something to the core Labour base that the Tories never will as well - thus taking both sides with you.

    This is so fricking obvious yet so few in Labour seem to get it.
    Yes, something like that. Expand the new metro base - now THE base - plus win back those of the old base who are winnable back, ie those voting Con out of perceived economic self-interest rather an insular nationalism or nostalgia for an old way of life.
  • JonWCJonWC Posts: 282
    Seems like the Tories have trounced the LibDems and others in Cornwall (if anyone cares).
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    kinabalu said:

    Selebian said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    Third labour loss in Durham. 1 seat to Lib Dem’s in Aycliffe north. It’s odd how the seats closer to Hartlepool are relatively good for labour.

    What I found interesting that the urban core of Blyth and Ashington (in Northumberland) is still solidly Labour. It's the outskirts where the Persimmon new-builds are aplenty where the Tory vote is the strongest, like @Philip_Thompson says.
    So, Bob has gone blue but Terry stays red?
    I'm just old enough to get that, but only due to repeats and due to my parents watching it.
    :smile:

    Oh what happened to you? Whatever happened to me?
    How come we're voting Tory now?
    How the fuck can this be?
    Labour need to turn around to its comfortably off middle class inner city elite base and say the following.

    YOu f8ckers have never had it so good.

    Sorry, but we will have to take you away from the front of the queue for a while.

    The alternative is tory hegemony, and let me tell you ladies, that in that case Brexit is just the start. The tories will take the whole public sector/third sector/commentariat/media/legal sector/race industry gravy boat away and leave you with nothing.

    So suck it up while we embrace brexit and get some working class votes back. Where else are you going to go?



  • Nunu3Nunu3 Posts: 178
    We are not seeing an SNP surge
  • TazTaz Posts: 6,235
    Labour leader in Durham just holds on
  • TazTaz Posts: 6,235
    Durham is going to be a Lib Dem Tory administration
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Labour leaders on Derbyshire and Leicestershire County Councils both lose their seats to the Conservatives.

  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,681
    Increased SNP majority in Dundee West

    SNP +3.8
    Lab -4.6
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 45,333
    Nunu3 said:

    We are not seeing an SNP surge

    Their share of the vote is down and hopefully that presages better things on the list votes but Perthshire North was the closest thing to a marginal seat to date and the swing to the Tories was absolutely miniscule there. Can't see them losing many constituencies on that basis.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 32,292


    kinabalu said:

    Mandelson's deft political touch clearly deserted him a long time ago.

    " Lord Mandleson, a former MP for Hartlepool and one of the architects of New Labour, said the party had to embrace “Brexit attitudes” if it wanted to win back voters in places like his old constituency. He said that during the campaign voters did not raise the issue of leaving the EU on the doorstep. But he suggested that “Brexit attitudes” were now more important than class in determining how people voted, and that Labour had to respond."

    Such a one-dimensional strategy will just result in the loss of London and many similar places to the Lib Dems and Greens, and the reversal of the small inroads into the wider South Labour is making. Labour has to do something much more subtle and challenging than this - it needs to create a common thread between the two places. The Red Wall seats can't win it for Labour alone, clearly, if they lose large areas of metropolitan Britain, too. If Mandelson is advising Starmer purely on this basis, that doesn't inspire much confidence in Labour's future, to me.

    Quite. London will not be voting for a party that has "Brexit attitudes".

    FFS.
    If you interpret it as a "can do attitude" as opposed to an "EU/WTO/computer says no attitude" then it's universally applicable.
    Well yes, I suppose. A "can do attitude" is right up there with a comfortable pillow and a good night's sleep. Images of those mass outdoor union meetings that used to happen to sanction strike action back at Longbridge in the 70s. All those in favour say Aye ... AYE!
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,681
    The Sheffield Council leader has been ousted. Greens defeated him in Hillsborough.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 7,306
    edited May 2021

    kinabalu said:

    Selebian said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    Third labour loss in Durham. 1 seat to Lib Dem’s in Aycliffe north. It’s odd how the seats closer to Hartlepool are relatively good for labour.

    What I found interesting that the urban core of Blyth and Ashington (in Northumberland) is still solidly Labour. It's the outskirts where the Persimmon new-builds are aplenty where the Tory vote is the strongest, like @Philip_Thompson says.
    So, Bob has gone blue but Terry stays red?
    I'm just old enough to get that, but only due to repeats and due to my parents watching it.
    :smile:

    Oh what happened to you? Whatever happened to me?
    How come we're voting Tory now?
    How the fuck can this be?
    Labour need to turn around to its comfortably off middle class inner city elite base and say the following.

    YOu f8ckers have never had it so good.

    Sorry, but we will have to take you away from the front of the queue for a while.

    The alternative is tory hegemony, and let me tell you ladies, that in that case Brexit is just the start. The tories will take the whole public sector/third sector/commentariat/media/legal sector/race industry gravy boat away and leave you with nothing.

    So suck it up while we embrace brexit and get some working class votes back. Where else are you going to go?



    The Greens and LibDems. That's the problem with this zero-sum approach. In an earlier period of realignment, in the mid to late 'nineties, the Lib Dems were, broadly, a less metropolitan party, and the Greens were negligible.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    No sign of tactical unionist voting going to the Labour Party in Dundee. Quite the opposite.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 47,047
    JonWC said:

    Seems like the Tories have trounced the LibDems and others in Cornwall (if anyone cares).

    Looks like a net couple of LibDem gains in Devon. South Brent has gone from just Tory to just LibDem.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 15,931

    kinabalu said:

    Selebian said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    Third labour loss in Durham. 1 seat to Lib Dem’s in Aycliffe north. It’s odd how the seats closer to Hartlepool are relatively good for labour.

    What I found interesting that the urban core of Blyth and Ashington (in Northumberland) is still solidly Labour. It's the outskirts where the Persimmon new-builds are aplenty where the Tory vote is the strongest, like @Philip_Thompson says.
    So, Bob has gone blue but Terry stays red?
    I'm just old enough to get that, but only due to repeats and due to my parents watching it.
    :smile:

    Oh what happened to you? Whatever happened to me?
    How come we're voting Tory now?
    How the fuck can this be?
    Labour need to turn around to its comfortably off middle class inner city elite base and say the following.

    YOu f8ckers have never had it so good.

    Sorry, but we will have to take you away from the front of the queue for a while.

    The alternative is tory hegemony, and let me tell you ladies, that in that case Brexit is just the start. The tories will take the whole public sector/third sector/commentariat/media/legal sector/race industry gravy boat away and leave you with nothing.

    So suck it up while we embrace brexit and get some working class votes back. Where else are you going to go?



    Yes that will go down well to those millions of city dwellers who need to find 15-20x earnings to buy a 3 bed flat and arent lucky enough to get council flats so end up sharing houses with strangers and delaying things like getting married or having kids. Never had it so good!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,145

    There appear to be limits on the old nose holding.
    https://twitter.com/kieranpandrews/status/1390657447266750466?s=21

    Kieran Andrews
    @KieranPAndrews
    ·
    21m
    Conservatives very concerned about most of the constituencies they hold. "Tactical FPTP seems to only work Tory to other unionists not other unionist to Tory," says a source
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 17,712
    Floater said:

    Lanchester (County Durham) council result:

    Con: 35.7% (+15.2)
    Lab: 30.6% (-6.2)
    Ind: 11.7% (+3.7)
    IndGrp: 8.1% (+8.1)
    LDem: 7.5% (-2.0)
    Grn: 6.4% (+6.4)

    Con GAIN from Lab

    Pidcock land
  • TazTaz Posts: 6,235

    Floater said:

    Lanchester (County Durham) council result:

    Con: 35.7% (+15.2)
    Lab: 30.6% (-6.2)
    Ind: 11.7% (+3.7)
    IndGrp: 8.1% (+8.1)
    LDem: 7.5% (-2.0)
    Grn: 6.4% (+6.4)

    Con GAIN from Lab

    Pidcock land
    She has a house there.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,681
    edited May 2021
    Liverpool Mayor
    Round 1

    Joanne Marie Anderson, LAB - 38,958
    Stephen Barry Loy Yip, IND - 22,047
    Richard Kemp, LD - 17,166
    Tom Crone, GREEN - 8,768
    Steve Radford, LIB - 7,135
    Katie Maria Burgess, CON - 4,187
    Roger Bannister, TUSC - 2,912


    Second round between Labour and the Independent
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 3,210
    Carnyx said:

    Conservatives very concerned about most of the constituencies they hold. "Tactical FPTP seems to only work Tory to other unionists not other unionist to Tory," says a source

    FPTP biting the prime proponents of FPTP in the eirse is the sort of high-quality content I'm here for.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,327
    edited May 2021
    Nigelb said:

    Cracking article (which is to say that I broadly agree with it) on the vexed topic of waiving pharmaceutical patents.
    https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/05/06/waiving-ip

    One of the comments I think sums up accurately Biden's position on this - it is mostly virtue-signaling. The hint is in the reference to the need for negotiation at the WTO.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,681
    Bridgend and Delyn "looking good" for Labour
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