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  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 55,112
    I’ve just deleted a tweet on the illegal detention of Nazanin. I’m told the media reports of a deal are wrong. The situation has not changed.

    The cruelty shown to Nazanin and her family is a stain on the Teheran administration that has tortured and robbed its own for 40 years.


    https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/1388862873775058947?s=20
  • pingping Posts: 2,208
    More inflation;

    “We are seeing some of the highest commodity price inflation that we’ve seen in a decade,” Graeme Pitkethly, chief financial officer at Unilever, told reporters this week.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=https://www.ft.com/content/4a30e5c4-82f2-4070-9fa7-6769aca518fc
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 48,728

    Never believe anything until its officially denied.....

    Strong steer away from this... told U.K. position has not changed, nothing new coming, Iran has claimed this many times before and the Iranian state / their media should not be trusted

    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1388861325326045189?s=20

    Perhaps a better solution would be they give us NZR and we give them the Johnsons' wallpaper?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 57,312
    IshmaelZ said:

    Taz said:

    FPT (and frankly, nothing is more interesting than the idea we are not alone in the Universe - and how that might impact politics...)

    Leon said:
    Turns out it’s not just America

    ‘Former Israeli space #security chief Haim Eshed has revealed that aliens from a "Galactic Federation" have been in contact with the US and #Israel for years, but humanity isn't ready to know this.

    Or so he claims.’

    https://twitter.com/jerusalem_post/status/1335948000707928066?s=21

    Someone has put acid in the drinking water in Jerusalem AND the Pentagon?



    Eshed is fascinating because for 30 years he had an impeccable record on the Israeli satellite programme, then said "For 30 years I've had an impeccable record on the Israeli satellite programme, so now I can say this stuff."

    Joint human-alien bases under the Martian surface was a bit more out there than anybody else has gone, however. So maybe he was acid-spiked.

    Or else he blurted out the biggest story in the history of human existence.

    It’s like an episode of he Tomorrow People. Galactic Federation.

    We have telescopes and observatories looking back into space many thousands of light years. Looking at stars, galaxies, black holes and other weird and wonderful things. They’d easily spot a flying saucer working its way here.
    No they wouldn't. Stars and galaxies are big, flying saucers are very very small. We have never even obtained an image of an exoplanet, let alone anything smaller outside the solar system.
    Point of order, we have imaged planets around other stars.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_directly_imaged_exoplanets
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 28,877
    MaxPB said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Raab preparing the ground for ongoing measures after June 21st. The government needs to be straight with us, will we ever get the old normal back or not. Starmer needs to start asking these fucking questions now, not idiotic shite about wallpaper and nannies. We need clarity now, not mealy mouthed bullshit from ministers who have clearly made the judgement call despite the evidence and data showing vaccines are enough to keep the virus under control.

    What has he been saying?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56964296

    Mr Raab said the UK was "in a good position" to "get life back as close to normal as possible".

    The foreign secretary told BBC One's Andrew Marr Show: "But there will still need to be some safeguards in place."

    There's no party that wants to let go of this all powerful toolset they've been given over our lives. As soon as the virus is defeated (and it already is, tbh) they won't be able to rule over every minutiae of our lives, how far apart we need to sit from each other, making us check in to all venues so they know where everyone is at all times, whether or not people can have sex with perfect strangers. The politicians don't want to give up control of anything.
    India thought the virus was defeated three months ago. You can afford to be convinced it is here now, the government cannot. Johnson's "dead bodies" outburst suggests that he is even more anti restrictions than you are.
    The situation here is completely different, the comparison to India is specious, they've vaccinated 8% of adults with a single dose, we've done 65%, they've done 3% with both doses, we've done 25% and that figure is going up by 6% per week.

    The science is on the side of no restrictions in June. Data not dates is what the government said, now that the data supports a full unlockdown and no more measures they've decided to ignore the data.
    I'm expecting them just to stick to the roadmap. No acceleration, no slippage.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 45,382
    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Taz said:

    FPT (and frankly, nothing is more interesting than the idea we are not alone in the Universe - and how that might impact politics...)

    Leon said:
    Turns out it’s not just America

    ‘Former Israeli space #security chief Haim Eshed has revealed that aliens from a "Galactic Federation" have been in contact with the US and #Israel for years, but humanity isn't ready to know this.

    Or so he claims.’

    https://twitter.com/jerusalem_post/status/1335948000707928066?s=21

    Someone has put acid in the drinking water in Jerusalem AND the Pentagon?



    Eshed is fascinating because for 30 years he had an impeccable record on the Israeli satellite programme, then said "For 30 years I've had an impeccable record on the Israeli satellite programme, so now I can say this stuff."

    Joint human-alien bases under the Martian surface was a bit more out there than anybody else has gone, however. So maybe he was acid-spiked.

    Or else he blurted out the biggest story in the history of human existence.

    It’s like an episode of he Tomorrow People. Galactic Federation.

    We have telescopes and observatories looking back into space many thousands of light years. Looking at stars, galaxies, black holes and other weird and wonderful things. They’d easily spot a flying saucer working its way here.
    No they wouldn't. Stars and galaxies are big, flying saucers are very very small. We have never even obtained an image of an exoplanet, let alone anything smaller outside the solar system.
    In addition if you are looking at something 1000 light years away that means you are also looking at what was happening there a 1000 years ago so you wouldn't see the massive space armada they only just launched.
    Unless they travel faster than light we need not worry for a bit.
    Hang on. They might have seen the first glimmering of human life tens of thousands of years ago, and set off then. In which case, they might be arriving (checks calendar) next Tuesday.
    Nah, they have been here since at least the 1940's apparently. The only thing that is surprising about that is that mankind's behaviour in the 1940s must have had them thinking whether introductions were really in order or whether sterilisation of the planet was more appropriate.
    (I'm assuming you've read The Three Body Problem series)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 32,319
    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    🚨 | BREAKING: The UK will pay £400 million to Tehran to free Iranian-British woman Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe - Source

    Via @Paul_Bedfordshire
    Interesting.. I thought we don’t normally pay ransoms?

    The British and American governments froze some Iranian assets at the time of the revolution there. This may be the unfreezing of them.
    It's the Tanks. Wallace has been keen to refund the Iranians for some time.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/pauliddon/2020/09/07/will-britain-follow-in-americas-footsteps-and-repay-iran-for-undelivered-military-hardware/
    What's Gromit's opinion on the matter?

    A resigned silence as usual. He has no mouth.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 17,023
    RobD said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Taz said:

    FPT (and frankly, nothing is more interesting than the idea we are not alone in the Universe - and how that might impact politics...)

    Leon said:
    Turns out it’s not just America

    ‘Former Israeli space #security chief Haim Eshed has revealed that aliens from a "Galactic Federation" have been in contact with the US and #Israel for years, but humanity isn't ready to know this.

    Or so he claims.’

    https://twitter.com/jerusalem_post/status/1335948000707928066?s=21

    Someone has put acid in the drinking water in Jerusalem AND the Pentagon?



    Eshed is fascinating because for 30 years he had an impeccable record on the Israeli satellite programme, then said "For 30 years I've had an impeccable record on the Israeli satellite programme, so now I can say this stuff."

    Joint human-alien bases under the Martian surface was a bit more out there than anybody else has gone, however. So maybe he was acid-spiked.

    Or else he blurted out the biggest story in the history of human existence.

    It’s like an episode of he Tomorrow People. Galactic Federation.

    We have telescopes and observatories looking back into space many thousands of light years. Looking at stars, galaxies, black holes and other weird and wonderful things. They’d easily spot a flying saucer working its way here.
    No they wouldn't. Stars and galaxies are big, flying saucers are very very small. We have never even obtained an image of an exoplanet, let alone anything smaller outside the solar system.
    Point of order, we have imaged planets around other stars.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_directly_imaged_exoplanets
    Thanks did not know that.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 48,728
    Foxy said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    🚨 | BREAKING: The UK will pay £400 million to Tehran to free Iranian-British woman Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe - Source

    Via @Paul_Bedfordshire
    Interesting.. I thought we don’t normally pay ransoms?

    The British and American governments froze some Iranian assets at the time of the revolution there. This may be the unfreezing of them.
    It's the Tanks. Wallace has been keen to refund the Iranians for some time.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/pauliddon/2020/09/07/will-britain-follow-in-americas-footsteps-and-repay-iran-for-undelivered-military-hardware/
    What's Gromit's opinion on the matter?

    A resigned silence as usual. He has no mouth.
    Must be frustrating given he nose everything.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 45,382
    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Taz said:

    FPT (and frankly, nothing is more interesting than the idea we are not alone in the Universe - and how that might impact politics...)

    Leon said:
    Turns out it’s not just America

    ‘Former Israeli space #security chief Haim Eshed has revealed that aliens from a "Galactic Federation" have been in contact with the US and #Israel for years, but humanity isn't ready to know this.

    Or so he claims.’

    https://twitter.com/jerusalem_post/status/1335948000707928066?s=21

    Someone has put acid in the drinking water in Jerusalem AND the Pentagon?



    Eshed is fascinating because for 30 years he had an impeccable record on the Israeli satellite programme, then said "For 30 years I've had an impeccable record on the Israeli satellite programme, so now I can say this stuff."

    Joint human-alien bases under the Martian surface was a bit more out there than anybody else has gone, however. So maybe he was acid-spiked.

    Or else he blurted out the biggest story in the history of human existence.

    It’s like an episode of he Tomorrow People. Galactic Federation.

    We have telescopes and observatories looking back into space many thousands of light years. Looking at stars, galaxies, black holes and other weird and wonderful things. They’d easily spot a flying saucer working its way here.
    No they wouldn't. Stars and galaxies are big, flying saucers are very very small. We have never even obtained an image of an exoplanet, let alone anything smaller outside the solar system.
    In addition if you are looking at something 1000 light years away that means you are also looking at what was happening there a 1000 years ago so you wouldn't see the massive space armada they only just launched.
    Unless they travel faster than light we need not worry for a bit.
    Hang on. They might have seen the first glimmering of human life tens of thousands of years ago, and set off then. In which case, they might be arriving (checks calendar) next Tuesday.
    How is that possible when earth was formed on October 23rd 4004bc
    They saw God working on some earlier models through their telescopes.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 32,319
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    🚨 | BREAKING: The UK will pay £400 million to Tehran to free Iranian-British woman Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe - Source

    Via @Paul_Bedfordshire
    Interesting.. I thought we don’t normally pay ransoms?

    The British and American governments froze some Iranian assets at the time of the revolution there. This may be the unfreezing of them.
    It's the Tanks. Wallace has been keen to refund the Iranians for some time.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/pauliddon/2020/09/07/will-britain-follow-in-americas-footsteps-and-repay-iran-for-undelivered-military-hardware/
    What's Gromit's opinion on the matter?

    A resigned silence as usual. He has no mouth.
    Must be frustrating given he nose everything.
    Therein sits a tail.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 22,486
    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Taz said:

    FPT (and frankly, nothing is more interesting than the idea we are not alone in the Universe - and how that might impact politics...)

    Leon said:
    Turns out it’s not just America

    ‘Former Israeli space #security chief Haim Eshed has revealed that aliens from a "Galactic Federation" have been in contact with the US and #Israel for years, but humanity isn't ready to know this.

    Or so he claims.’

    https://twitter.com/jerusalem_post/status/1335948000707928066?s=21

    Someone has put acid in the drinking water in Jerusalem AND the Pentagon?



    Eshed is fascinating because for 30 years he had an impeccable record on the Israeli satellite programme, then said "For 30 years I've had an impeccable record on the Israeli satellite programme, so now I can say this stuff."

    Joint human-alien bases under the Martian surface was a bit more out there than anybody else has gone, however. So maybe he was acid-spiked.

    Or else he blurted out the biggest story in the history of human existence.

    It’s like an episode of he Tomorrow People. Galactic Federation.

    We have telescopes and observatories looking back into space many thousands of light years. Looking at stars, galaxies, black holes and other weird and wonderful things. They’d easily spot a flying saucer working its way here.
    No they wouldn't. Stars and galaxies are big, flying saucers are very very small. We have never even obtained an image of an exoplanet, let alone anything smaller outside the solar system.
    In addition if you are looking at something 1000 light years away that means you are also looking at what was happening there a 1000 years ago so you wouldn't see the massive space armada they only just launched.
    Unless they travel faster than light we need not worry for a bit.
    Hang on. They might have seen the first glimmering of human life tens of thousands of years ago, and set off then. In which case, they might be arriving (checks calendar) next Tuesday.
    How is that possible when earth was formed on October 23rd 4004bc
    Interestingly, there was quite a debate in the C19 amongst Presbyterians and others on whether there was sentient life on other worlds, and the nature of divine redemption of such beings (starting with whether they had souls at all).
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 22,912
    Yorkshire beat Northants by one run.

    Streaming county cricket on YouTube is great.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 45,382
    ping said:

    More inflation;

    “We are seeing some of the highest commodity price inflation that we’ve seen in a decade,” Graeme Pitkethly, chief financial officer at Unilever, told reporters this week.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=https://www.ft.com/content/4a30e5c4-82f2-4070-9fa7-6769aca518fc

    Corn prices have shot up, and wheat is on the rise too.

    Oil is up quite a lot y-o-y, but just back to its five year average, and is still less than half the 2007 price. Natural gas remains very cheap.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 22,486
    ping said:

    I like the Irish system best.

    Even better, IMO, would be to sever geography from constituencies for Westminster elections.

    I’d go with generational representation.

    Each age gets a few mps. We could even have rolling elections every month.

    Yes, with the number in proportion to the average life expectancy minus age (on the principle that the young have to suffer the consequences longetr).
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 8,223
    kle4 said:

    7 votes for that Town Council is nothing. There are lots of unwarded parishes where you end up voting for more than that - I always feel bad when there are, say, 16 candidates for 15 seats. I've seen an unwarded parish with 21 seats, contested election, without parties to make the choices easier.

    Back in the day (1960s or thereabouts) in wonderful West Virginia, seats in the state House of Delegates were allocated on a county basis. With the largest, Kanawha Co (pronounced btw "Ka'naw'a") electing 14 members all at-large. The county consists of Charleston, the state capital and it (mostly industrial back then) suburbs, plus a large rural area composed of isolated valleys (hollows = "hollers") with small coal-mining communities (for example, Cabin Creek, home of NBA legend Jerry West, the guy on the official logo).

    In the Democratic & Republican primaries, there would be scores of hopefuls, sometime nearly a hundred spit between the parties, with the top 14 for each advancing to the general election. Then in the general election, voters could chose out of this group of 28 with top 14 being elected to the state legislature.

    Was always of interest (I was just a kid then, but a weirdo even then!) to seen who ended up at the top of this particular greasy poll. Certain well-know and (perhaps) well-regarded (or maybe just loudmouthed) politicos & personalities would top the list. With #14 making the cut, and #15 out in the cold.

    When he first entered WVa politics, former governor & ex-US Senator John D Rockefeller IV ("Jay:) served for a couple years as a VISTA (domestic Peace Corps) in a small Kanawha Co community. Then he ran for the state House of Delegates there, as a Democrat in contrast to his Republican uncles Nelson (Gov of New York) and Winthrop (Gov of Arkansas). He waged a spirited (and expensive) campaign and was elected near the top of the bunch. Which gave him a great political launching pad for statewide office, which he won a few years later when he was elected WV Secretary of State.

    Next time out, Jay Rockefeller ran for Governor of the Mountain State but lost narrowly, to Arch Moore, the father of current US Senator Shelley Moore Capito. At that point, West Virginians wondered if he'd up and moved back to New York City. He did not. He stayed (as president of small college) and four years later ran against Arch Moore and defeated him. Served three terms as Governor then went on to serve for years as US Senator.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 48,728

    Yorkshire beat Northants by one run.

    Streaming county cricket on YouTube is great.

    If the Man U fans get bored, could they please go down to Bristol and disrupt play?

    I have a horrible feeling that's the only thing that can save Glaws from total humiliation here.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 8,223
    Carnyx said:

    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Taz said:

    FPT (and frankly, nothing is more interesting than the idea we are not alone in the Universe - and how that might impact politics...)

    Leon said:
    Turns out it’s not just America

    ‘Former Israeli space #security chief Haim Eshed has revealed that aliens from a "Galactic Federation" have been in contact with the US and #Israel for years, but humanity isn't ready to know this.

    Or so he claims.’

    https://twitter.com/jerusalem_post/status/1335948000707928066?s=21

    Someone has put acid in the drinking water in Jerusalem AND the Pentagon?



    Eshed is fascinating because for 30 years he had an impeccable record on the Israeli satellite programme, then said "For 30 years I've had an impeccable record on the Israeli satellite programme, so now I can say this stuff."

    Joint human-alien bases under the Martian surface was a bit more out there than anybody else has gone, however. So maybe he was acid-spiked.

    Or else he blurted out the biggest story in the history of human existence.

    It’s like an episode of he Tomorrow People. Galactic Federation.

    We have telescopes and observatories looking back into space many thousands of light years. Looking at stars, galaxies, black holes and other weird and wonderful things. They’d easily spot a flying saucer working its way here.
    No they wouldn't. Stars and galaxies are big, flying saucers are very very small. We have never even obtained an image of an exoplanet, let alone anything smaller outside the solar system.
    In addition if you are looking at something 1000 light years away that means you are also looking at what was happening there a 1000 years ago so you wouldn't see the massive space armada they only just launched.
    Unless they travel faster than light we need not worry for a bit.
    Hang on. They might have seen the first glimmering of human life tens of thousands of years ago, and set off then. In which case, they might be arriving (checks calendar) next Tuesday.
    How is that possible when earth was formed on October 23rd 4004bc
    Interestingly, there was quite a debate in the C19 amongst Presbyterians and others on whether there was sentient life on other worlds, and the nature of divine redemption of such beings (starting with whether they had souls at all).
    Little green men on Mars, maybe. Green men big or little in Ireland, never!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 48,728

    Carnyx said:

    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Taz said:

    FPT (and frankly, nothing is more interesting than the idea we are not alone in the Universe - and how that might impact politics...)

    Leon said:
    Turns out it’s not just America

    ‘Former Israeli space #security chief Haim Eshed has revealed that aliens from a "Galactic Federation" have been in contact with the US and #Israel for years, but humanity isn't ready to know this.

    Or so he claims.’

    https://twitter.com/jerusalem_post/status/1335948000707928066?s=21

    Someone has put acid in the drinking water in Jerusalem AND the Pentagon?



    Eshed is fascinating because for 30 years he had an impeccable record on the Israeli satellite programme, then said "For 30 years I've had an impeccable record on the Israeli satellite programme, so now I can say this stuff."

    Joint human-alien bases under the Martian surface was a bit more out there than anybody else has gone, however. So maybe he was acid-spiked.

    Or else he blurted out the biggest story in the history of human existence.

    It’s like an episode of he Tomorrow People. Galactic Federation.

    We have telescopes and observatories looking back into space many thousands of light years. Looking at stars, galaxies, black holes and other weird and wonderful things. They’d easily spot a flying saucer working its way here.
    No they wouldn't. Stars and galaxies are big, flying saucers are very very small. We have never even obtained an image of an exoplanet, let alone anything smaller outside the solar system.
    In addition if you are looking at something 1000 light years away that means you are also looking at what was happening there a 1000 years ago so you wouldn't see the massive space armada they only just launched.
    Unless they travel faster than light we need not worry for a bit.
    Hang on. They might have seen the first glimmering of human life tens of thousands of years ago, and set off then. In which case, they might be arriving (checks calendar) next Tuesday.
    How is that possible when earth was formed on October 23rd 4004bc
    Interestingly, there was quite a debate in the C19 amongst Presbyterians and others on whether there was sentient life on other worlds, and the nature of divine redemption of such beings (starting with whether they had souls at all).
    Little green men on Mars, maybe. Green men big or little in Ireland, never!
    Rubbish. Lots of little green men in Ireland:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N003nbD7wTY
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 45,382
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Raab preparing the ground for ongoing measures after June 21st. The government needs to be straight with us, will we ever get the old normal back or not. Starmer needs to start asking these fucking questions now, not idiotic shite about wallpaper and nannies. We need clarity now, not mealy mouthed bullshit from ministers who have clearly made the judgement call despite the evidence and data showing vaccines are enough to keep the virus under control.

    What has he been saying?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56964296

    Mr Raab said the UK was "in a good position" to "get life back as close to normal as possible".

    The foreign secretary told BBC One's Andrew Marr Show: "But there will still need to be some safeguards in place."

    There's no party that wants to let go of this all powerful toolset they've been given over our lives. As soon as the virus is defeated (and it already is, tbh) they won't be able to rule over every minutiae of our lives, how far apart we need to sit from each other, making us check in to all venues so they know where everyone is at all times, whether or not people can have sex with perfect strangers. The politicians don't want to give up control of anything.
    Hang on: he's the Foreign Secretary, so he might be talking about some continued restrictions on travel (which would be no surprise).
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 48,728
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Raab preparing the ground for ongoing measures after June 21st. The government needs to be straight with us, will we ever get the old normal back or not. Starmer needs to start asking these fucking questions now, not idiotic shite about wallpaper and nannies. We need clarity now, not mealy mouthed bullshit from ministers who have clearly made the judgement call despite the evidence and data showing vaccines are enough to keep the virus under control.

    What has he been saying?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56964296

    Mr Raab said the UK was "in a good position" to "get life back as close to normal as possible".

    The foreign secretary told BBC One's Andrew Marr Show: "But there will still need to be some safeguards in place."

    There's no party that wants to let go of this all powerful toolset they've been given over our lives. As soon as the virus is defeated (and it already is, tbh) they won't be able to rule over every minutiae of our lives, how far apart we need to sit from each other, making us check in to all venues so they know where everyone is at all times, whether or not people can have sex with perfect strangers. The politicians don't want to give up control of anything.
    Hang on: he's the Foreign Secretary, so he might be talking about some continued restrictions on travel (which would be no surprise).
    More likely given his past record he's talking out of his arse.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 8,223
    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Taz said:

    FPT (and frankly, nothing is more interesting than the idea we are not alone in the Universe - and how that might impact politics...)

    Leon said:
    Turns out it’s not just America

    ‘Former Israeli space #security chief Haim Eshed has revealed that aliens from a "Galactic Federation" have been in contact with the US and #Israel for years, but humanity isn't ready to know this.

    Or so he claims.’

    https://twitter.com/jerusalem_post/status/1335948000707928066?s=21

    Someone has put acid in the drinking water in Jerusalem AND the Pentagon?



    Eshed is fascinating because for 30 years he had an impeccable record on the Israeli satellite programme, then said "For 30 years I've had an impeccable record on the Israeli satellite programme, so now I can say this stuff."

    Joint human-alien bases under the Martian surface was a bit more out there than anybody else has gone, however. So maybe he was acid-spiked.

    Or else he blurted out the biggest story in the history of human existence.

    It’s like an episode of he Tomorrow People. Galactic Federation.

    We have telescopes and observatories looking back into space many thousands of light years. Looking at stars, galaxies, black holes and other weird and wonderful things. They’d easily spot a flying saucer working its way here.
    No they wouldn't. Stars and galaxies are big, flying saucers are very very small. We have never even obtained an image of an exoplanet, let alone anything smaller outside the solar system.
    In addition if you are looking at something 1000 light years away that means you are also looking at what was happening there a 1000 years ago so you wouldn't see the massive space armada they only just launched.
    Unless they travel faster than light we need not worry for a bit.
    Hang on. They might have seen the first glimmering of human life tens of thousands of years ago, and set off then. In which case, they might be arriving (checks calendar) next Tuesday.
    How is that possible when earth was formed on October 23rd 4004bc
    That was Archbishop Ussher's calculation. Edwin Poots MP says 4000 BCE, which is what (some) sources state was the date indicated by the researches of Sir Isaac Newton.

    So Potts IS an advanced thinker, concurring with Britain's greatest scientist. Just three centuries late.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 45,382
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Raab preparing the ground for ongoing measures after June 21st. The government needs to be straight with us, will we ever get the old normal back or not. Starmer needs to start asking these fucking questions now, not idiotic shite about wallpaper and nannies. We need clarity now, not mealy mouthed bullshit from ministers who have clearly made the judgement call despite the evidence and data showing vaccines are enough to keep the virus under control.

    One question I have is that if it's true that people who had previously been infected with SARS had protection against covid, why is there such pessimism about the need for new vaccines?
    Because it suits the politicians and scientists who don't want to give up control. The data supports a pretty big unlocking now.
    Los Angeles is a pretty good proxy for the UK, in terms of speed of vaccine roll out, and in terms of case numbers around Christmas followed by a strict lockdown.

    They have been *much* more aggressive about lifting restrictions and case numbers have continue to fall.

    (The one thing I think will last some time will be mask wearing on public transport.)
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 8,223
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Raab preparing the ground for ongoing measures after June 21st. The government needs to be straight with us, will we ever get the old normal back or not. Starmer needs to start asking these fucking questions now, not idiotic shite about wallpaper and nannies. We need clarity now, not mealy mouthed bullshit from ministers who have clearly made the judgement call despite the evidence and data showing vaccines are enough to keep the virus under control.

    One question I have is that if it's true that people who had previously been infected with SARS had protection against covid, why is there such pessimism about the need for new vaccines?
    Because it suits the politicians and scientists who don't want to give up control. The data supports a pretty big unlocking now.
    Los Angeles is a pretty good proxy for the UK, in terms of speed of vaccine roll out, and in terms of case numbers around Christmas followed by a strict lockdown.

    They have been *much* more aggressive about lifting restrictions and case numbers have continue to fall.

    (The one thing I think will last some time will be mask wearing on public transport.)
    "Los Angeles is a pretty good proxy for the UK"

    Have YOU ever tried finding a decent taco in Barnesley? OR mushy peas in Cucamonga?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Raab preparing the ground for ongoing measures after June 21st. The government needs to be straight with us, will we ever get the old normal back or not. Starmer needs to start asking these fucking questions now, not idiotic shite about wallpaper and nannies. We need clarity now, not mealy mouthed bullshit from ministers who have clearly made the judgement call despite the evidence and data showing vaccines are enough to keep the virus under control.

    What has he been saying?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56964296

    Mr Raab said the UK was "in a good position" to "get life back as close to normal as possible".

    The foreign secretary told BBC One's Andrew Marr Show: "But there will still need to be some safeguards in place."

    There's no party that wants to let go of this all powerful toolset they've been given over our lives. As soon as the virus is defeated (and it already is, tbh) they won't be able to rule over every minutiae of our lives, how far apart we need to sit from each other, making us check in to all venues so they know where everyone is at all times, whether or not people can have sex with perfect strangers. The politicians don't want to give up control of anything.
    Hang on: he's the Foreign Secretary, so he might be talking about some continued restrictions on travel (which would be no surprise).
    Restrictions on travel with nations that haven't vaccinated and/or eliminated the virus would be reasonable.

    Domestic restrictions absolutely unacceptable.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 8,223
    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Taz said:

    FPT (and frankly, nothing is more interesting than the idea we are not alone in the Universe - and how that might impact politics...)

    Leon said:
    Turns out it’s not just America

    ‘Former Israeli space #security chief Haim Eshed has revealed that aliens from a "Galactic Federation" have been in contact with the US and #Israel for years, but humanity isn't ready to know this.

    Or so he claims.’

    https://twitter.com/jerusalem_post/status/1335948000707928066?s=21

    Someone has put acid in the drinking water in Jerusalem AND the Pentagon?



    Eshed is fascinating because for 30 years he had an impeccable record on the Israeli satellite programme, then said "For 30 years I've had an impeccable record on the Israeli satellite programme, so now I can say this stuff."

    Joint human-alien bases under the Martian surface was a bit more out there than anybody else has gone, however. So maybe he was acid-spiked.

    Or else he blurted out the biggest story in the history of human existence.

    It’s like an episode of he Tomorrow People. Galactic Federation.

    We have telescopes and observatories looking back into space many thousands of light years. Looking at stars, galaxies, black holes and other weird and wonderful things. They’d easily spot a flying saucer working its way here.
    No they wouldn't. Stars and galaxies are big, flying saucers are very very small. We have never even obtained an image of an exoplanet, let alone anything smaller outside the solar system.
    In addition if you are looking at something 1000 light years away that means you are also looking at what was happening there a 1000 years ago so you wouldn't see the massive space armada they only just launched.
    Unless they travel faster than light we need not worry for a bit.
    Hang on. They might have seen the first glimmering of human life tens of thousands of years ago, and set off then. In which case, they might be arriving (checks calendar) next Tuesday.
    How is that possible when earth was formed on October 23rd 4004bc
    Interestingly, there was quite a debate in the C19 amongst Presbyterians and others on whether there was sentient life on other worlds, and the nature of divine redemption of such beings (starting with whether they had souls at all).
    Little green men on Mars, maybe. Green men big or little in Ireland, never!
    Rubbish. Lots of little green men in Ireland:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N003nbD7wTY
    But do Presbyterians believe they - or the rest of the Wild Irish - have souls? Doubtful!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 17,030
    Isn't snooker fascinating?

    Interesting fact: I was surprised to learn recently that there isn't a single publicly available snooker table in the whole of the United States. There are a few snooker tables, but they're all in private clubs in places like New York City.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 32,319

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Taz said:

    FPT (and frankly, nothing is more interesting than the idea we are not alone in the Universe - and how that might impact politics...)

    Leon said:
    Turns out it’s not just America

    ‘Former Israeli space #security chief Haim Eshed has revealed that aliens from a "Galactic Federation" have been in contact with the US and #Israel for years, but humanity isn't ready to know this.

    Or so he claims.’

    https://twitter.com/jerusalem_post/status/1335948000707928066?s=21

    Someone has put acid in the drinking water in Jerusalem AND the Pentagon?



    Eshed is fascinating because for 30 years he had an impeccable record on the Israeli satellite programme, then said "For 30 years I've had an impeccable record on the Israeli satellite programme, so now I can say this stuff."

    Joint human-alien bases under the Martian surface was a bit more out there than anybody else has gone, however. So maybe he was acid-spiked.

    Or else he blurted out the biggest story in the history of human existence.

    It’s like an episode of he Tomorrow People. Galactic Federation.

    We have telescopes and observatories looking back into space many thousands of light years. Looking at stars, galaxies, black holes and other weird and wonderful things. They’d easily spot a flying saucer working its way here.
    No they wouldn't. Stars and galaxies are big, flying saucers are very very small. We have never even obtained an image of an exoplanet, let alone anything smaller outside the solar system.
    In addition if you are looking at something 1000 light years away that means you are also looking at what was happening there a 1000 years ago so you wouldn't see the massive space armada they only just launched.
    Unless they travel faster than light we need not worry for a bit.
    Hang on. They might have seen the first glimmering of human life tens of thousands of years ago, and set off then. In which case, they might be arriving (checks calendar) next Tuesday.
    How is that possible when earth was formed on October 23rd 4004bc
    Interestingly, there was quite a debate in the C19 amongst Presbyterians and others on whether there was sentient life on other worlds, and the nature of divine redemption of such beings (starting with whether they had souls at all).
    Little green men on Mars, maybe. Green men big or little in Ireland, never!
    Rubbish. Lots of little green men in Ireland:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N003nbD7wTY
    But do Presbyterians believe they - or the rest of the Wild Irish - have souls? Doubtful!
    I think they would, but with the proviso that some are predestined to eternal damnation.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 646
    Andy_JS said:

    Sounds like the government is breaking its promise to end all Covid-19 social measures by 21st June. Despite the fact that the figures are far better than anyone was expecting at this stage.

    Exactly nobody saw that coming did they? Its been obvious for months that they intend to make us wear masks till the end of time.

    One of my biggest remaining desires is to be allowed to sing in the congregation at church - we have taken to trooping outside and singing in the carpark, but it's not quite the same. I've a nasty feeling that they will hold onto this rule as long as they can too, especially as there aren't many votes in it.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Surely if the Man United v Liverpool fixture can't go ahead then this should be a forfeit by Man United?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 45,382
    theProle said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Sounds like the government is breaking its promise to end all Covid-19 social measures by 21st June. Despite the fact that the figures are far better than anyone was expecting at this stage.

    Exactly nobody saw that coming did they? Its been obvious for months that they intend to make us wear masks till the end of time.

    One of my biggest remaining desires is to be allowed to sing in the congregation at church - we have taken to trooping outside and singing in the carpark, but it's not quite the same. I've a nasty feeling that they will hold onto this rule as long as they can too, especially as there aren't many votes in it.
    Do you think "masks until the end of time" will be a particularly vote winning policy?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 8,223
    Andy_JS said:

    Isn't snooker fascinating?

    Interesting fact: I was surprised to learn recently that there isn't a single publicly available snooker table in the whole of the United States. There are a few snooker tables, but they're all in private clubs in places like New York City.

    Think you should cite a source for this? Personally think statement is a wee too categorical! Because there's likely a pool hall somewhere between Nome and Key West where they've got a regulation snooker table tucked away in a corner, where your researchers failed to spot it . . .

    Just sayin'
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 52,205

    Surely if the Man United v Liverpool fixture can't go ahead then this should be a forfeit by Man United?

    Hi Phil

    There speaks a Liverpool supporter desperate for points !!!
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 23,036

    Surely if the Man United v Liverpool fixture can't go ahead then this should be a forfeit by Man United?

    I doubt it very much.

    Serious respect for those United fans. They should do whatever it takes to get rid of their club's owners.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 39,621
    edited May 2021

    DougSeal said:

    Fishing said:

    AV is a terrible system that manages to combine the disadvantages of FPTP and PR without the advantages of either. The country in its wisdom binned the idea - nothing to do with "giving Nick Clegg and the Liberal Democrats", whatever that means.

    I think TSE omitted the words “a good kicking”.
    Yah, wordpress saved an old draft, fixed now.
    I do remain electoral reform will happen soon,...

    ?
    Convinced ?
    Contemptuous of the idea that ... ?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Surely if the Man United v Liverpool fixture can't go ahead then this should be a forfeit by Man United?

    Hi Phil

    There speaks a Liverpool supporter desperate for points !!!
    Indeed !!!

    Though I'm only half joking.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 20,944
    tlg86 said:

    Surely if the Man United v Liverpool fixture can't go ahead then this should be a forfeit by Man United?

    I doubt it very much.

    Serious respect for those United fans. They should do whatever it takes to get rid of their club's owners.
    Should the authorities be doubting the wisdom of fans for the final 2 rounds?
    I predict serious trouble if they are allowed to go ahead.
    Particularly if away fans are added to the mix.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 101,708
    Nigelb said:

    DougSeal said:

    Fishing said:

    AV is a terrible system that manages to combine the disadvantages of FPTP and PR without the advantages of either. The country in its wisdom binned the idea - nothing to do with "giving Nick Clegg and the Liberal Democrats", whatever that means.

    I think TSE omitted the words “a good kicking”.
    Yah, wordpress saved an old draft, fixed now.
    I do remain electoral reform will happen soon,...

    ?
    Convinced ?
    Contemptuous of the idea that ... ?
    Convinced.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 23,036
    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    Surely if the Man United v Liverpool fixture can't go ahead then this should be a forfeit by Man United?

    I doubt it very much.

    Serious respect for those United fans. They should do whatever it takes to get rid of their club's owners.
    Should the authorities be doubting the wisdom of fans for the final 2 rounds?
    I predict serious trouble if they are allowed to go ahead.
    Particularly if away fans are added to the mix.
    There will be even more trouble if they pull the plug on it after today.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 17,030
    Leicester is back on the list of places with higher than average cases.

    https://covid.joinzoe.com/data
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 39,621
    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    This board cops some flack for its dearth of posts about, erm, political betting but this aliens shite, I mean, come on...

    Only incel virgins who want a rectal probe from aliens (or anyone else) believe this aliens nonsense.
    The distinction is between "believing in aliens" and defence bureaucrats simply becoming more open that they don't know what some of the phenomena are.
    Yes precisely. I don’t ‘believe’. I’m just open to persuasion if compelling data emerges.

    Has it? Not really. It’s intriguing but it’s hardly slam dunk

    The compelling aspect of this is all the senior politicians, senators, CIA directors, intel experts, journalists, scientists (the guy at Harvard) who are now saying ‘there is something out there we don’t understand’

    Either they are experiencing a mass hallucination (unlikely), or they are involved in a grand conspiracy (possible, but implausible) or they have been hoodwinked by the Chinese (how?) or everyone is just seeing a new physical phenomenon (but surely they’d rule that out)

    That leaves two other explanations. Incredibly advanced unknown human technology, or the same tech but this time made by aliens, visiting Planet Earth
    One, it’s the US, where belief in the ... unusual ... is not entirely uncommon.
    Two, most of these guys are more geriatric than Biden.

    I’m not utterly denying the possibility, but it remains exceedingly unlikely.
  • pingping Posts: 2,208
    edited May 2021
    tlg86 said:

    Surely if the Man United v Liverpool fixture can't go ahead then this should be a forfeit by Man United?

    I doubt it very much.

    Serious respect for those United fans. They should do whatever it takes to get rid of their club's owners.
    I think they’re damaging their (IMO, worthy) cause.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 101,708
    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    Surely if the Man United v Liverpool fixture can't go ahead then this should be a forfeit by Man United?

    I doubt it very much.

    Serious respect for those United fans. They should do whatever it takes to get rid of their club's owners.
    Should the authorities be doubting the wisdom of fans for the final 2 rounds?
    I predict serious trouble if they are allowed to go ahead.
    Particularly if away fans are added to the mix.
    Premier League clubs are set to be allowed up to 500 away fans attending matches in the final two rounds of the season as part of crowds of 10,000 supporters.

    Richard Masters, the Premier League’s chief executive, has written to the 20 clubs saying that the government is planning to relax the ban on away fans after May 17.

    Clubs had been working towards having stadiums up to 25 per cent full — though a maximum of 10,000 fans — for the final two match rounds of the season and now League chiefs are proposing that 5 per cent of that capacity should be away supporters, up to 500 in number.

    Masters has asked all clubs to respond with their views on the proposed policy. Clubs would have to abide by the £30 cap on away tickets.

    The Times has seen a copy of Masters’s letter, which states: “Government has informed us that, as Covid-19 indicators continue to improve, it is planning to relax the ‘no away fans’ stipulation from the stage five guidance, governing the playing of our final match rounds in season 2020-21.

    “The return of fans and ultimately full stadiums remains our primary goal, therefore our view is that we must accept the opportunity to host as wide a range of supporters as possible.

    “That being the case, the executive proposes an away-ticket allocation of 5 per cent of available capacity (a maximum of 500 away fans) at round 37 and 38 matches, respecting the £30 away-ticket price cap.”

    Masters’s letter anticipates that clubs may run into some difficulties with their local Safety Advisory Group (SAG) which has to give the permission for the matches to take place and can impose restrictions such as social distancing.

    “This policy is designed to accommodate away supporters, maximise home fan numbers and reduce the likelihood of SAG resistance,” the letter states.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/up-to-500-away-fans-set-to-be-allowed-at-final-two-premier-league-matches-0pjqwqr52
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 52,205
    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    Surely if the Man United v Liverpool fixture can't go ahead then this should be a forfeit by Man United?

    I doubt it very much.

    Serious respect for those United fans. They should do whatever it takes to get rid of their club's owners.
    Should the authorities be doubting the wisdom of fans for the final 2 rounds?
    I predict serious trouble if they are allowed to go ahead.
    Particularly if away fans are added to the mix.
    I think today has highlighted a very real problem for the real fans attending in big numbers this season
  • theProletheProle Posts: 646

    Foxy said:

    🚨 | BREAKING: The UK will pay £400 million to Tehran to free Iranian-British woman Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe - Source

    Via @Paul_Bedfordshire
    Interesting.. I thought we don’t normally pay ransoms?

    Isn't it a refund for their tanks ordered but never delivered?
    The UK could deliver 1200 fifty year old Chieftains just for the bantz.
    It did occur to me that this could be a fairly satisfactory solution 😂. Ideally with at least some delivered by an RAF air drop (sans parachute) through the roof of the "Islamic Consultative Assembly" building.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 8,223
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Taz said:

    FPT (and frankly, nothing is more interesting than the idea we are not alone in the Universe - and how that might impact politics...)

    Leon said:
    Turns out it’s not just America

    ‘Former Israeli space #security chief Haim Eshed has revealed that aliens from a "Galactic Federation" have been in contact with the US and #Israel for years, but humanity isn't ready to know this.

    Or so he claims.’

    https://twitter.com/jerusalem_post/status/1335948000707928066?s=21

    Someone has put acid in the drinking water in Jerusalem AND the Pentagon?



    Eshed is fascinating because for 30 years he had an impeccable record on the Israeli satellite programme, then said "For 30 years I've had an impeccable record on the Israeli satellite programme, so now I can say this stuff."

    Joint human-alien bases under the Martian surface was a bit more out there than anybody else has gone, however. So maybe he was acid-spiked.

    Or else he blurted out the biggest story in the history of human existence.

    It’s like an episode of he Tomorrow People. Galactic Federation.

    We have telescopes and observatories looking back into space many thousands of light years. Looking at stars, galaxies, black holes and other weird and wonderful things. They’d easily spot a flying saucer working its way here.
    No they wouldn't. Stars and galaxies are big, flying saucers are very very small. We have never even obtained an image of an exoplanet, let alone anything smaller outside the solar system.
    In addition if you are looking at something 1000 light years away that means you are also looking at what was happening there a 1000 years ago so you wouldn't see the massive space armada they only just launched.
    Unless they travel faster than light we need not worry for a bit.
    Hang on. They might have seen the first glimmering of human life tens of thousands of years ago, and set off then. In which case, they might be arriving (checks calendar) next Tuesday.
    How is that possible when earth was formed on October 23rd 4004bc
    Interestingly, there was quite a debate in the C19 amongst Presbyterians and others on whether there was sentient life on other worlds, and the nature of divine redemption of such beings (starting with whether they had souls at all).
    Little green men on Mars, maybe. Green men big or little in Ireland, never!
    Rubbish. Lots of little green men in Ireland:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N003nbD7wTY
    But do Presbyterians believe they - or the rest of the Wild Irish - have souls? Doubtful!
    I think they would, but with the proviso that some are predestined to eternal damnation.
    Substitute "nearly all" for "some" and you've got it right - for the liberal wing of the Presbs.

    Just kidding - some of my best friends are Presbyterians! Or are the Pederasts? Keep getting them mixed up!!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 101,708
    edited May 2021
    Manchester United fans are thugs, the club should be relegated two divisions.

    https://twitter.com/SteveRobson04/status/1388870993528115205

    Also assaulting rozzers

    https://twitter.com/RobHarris/status/1388874097875210240
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 17,030
    Hazel Irvine: "We don't want to pry on the players". Cuts to live feed from their private dressing rooms, which the players must have agreed to beforehand. Ridiculous in so many ways.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 39,621
    Foxy said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    🚨 | BREAKING: The UK will pay £400 million to Tehran to free Iranian-British woman Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe - Source

    Via @Paul_Bedfordshire
    Interesting.. I thought we don’t normally pay ransoms?

    The British and American governments froze some Iranian assets at the time of the revolution there. This may be the unfreezing of them.
    It's the Tanks. Wallace has been keen to refund the Iranians for some time.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/pauliddon/2020/09/07/will-britain-follow-in-americas-footsteps-and-repay-iran-for-undelivered-military-hardware/
    What's Gromit's opinion on the matter?

    A resigned silence as usual. He has no mouth.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Have_No_Mouth,_and_I_Must_Scream
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 8,223
    Frasier - Astronaut John Glenn talks about seeing aliens in outer space

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVhDsxTXgPU
  • pingping Posts: 2,208

    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    Surely if the Man United v Liverpool fixture can't go ahead then this should be a forfeit by Man United?

    I doubt it very much.

    Serious respect for those United fans. They should do whatever it takes to get rid of their club's owners.
    Should the authorities be doubting the wisdom of fans for the final 2 rounds?
    I predict serious trouble if they are allowed to go ahead.
    Particularly if away fans are added to the mix.
    I think today has highlighted a very real problem for the real fans attending in big numbers this season
    I think some people have been seriously messed up by the lockdown.

    There’s a lack of respect for social norms that we all took for granted pre-lockdown.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 23,036

    Manchester United fans are thugs, the club should be relegated two divisions.

    https://twitter.com/SteveRobson04/status/1388870993528115205

    Also assaulting rozzers

    https://twitter.com/RobHarris/status/1388874097875210240

    Heroes.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 39,621
    RobD said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Taz said:

    FPT (and frankly, nothing is more interesting than the idea we are not alone in the Universe - and how that might impact politics...)

    Leon said:
    Turns out it’s not just America

    ‘Former Israeli space #security chief Haim Eshed has revealed that aliens from a "Galactic Federation" have been in contact with the US and #Israel for years, but humanity isn't ready to know this.

    Or so he claims.’

    https://twitter.com/jerusalem_post/status/1335948000707928066?s=21

    Someone has put acid in the drinking water in Jerusalem AND the Pentagon?



    Eshed is fascinating because for 30 years he had an impeccable record on the Israeli satellite programme, then said "For 30 years I've had an impeccable record on the Israeli satellite programme, so now I can say this stuff."

    Joint human-alien bases under the Martian surface was a bit more out there than anybody else has gone, however. So maybe he was acid-spiked.

    Or else he blurted out the biggest story in the history of human existence.

    It’s like an episode of he Tomorrow People. Galactic Federation.

    We have telescopes and observatories looking back into space many thousands of light years. Looking at stars, galaxies, black holes and other weird and wonderful things. They’d easily spot a flying saucer working its way here.
    No they wouldn't. Stars and galaxies are big, flying saucers are very very small. We have never even obtained an image of an exoplanet, let alone anything smaller outside the solar system.
    Point of order, we have imaged planets around other stars.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_directly_imaged_exoplanets
    Nothing likely to support life, though.
    That’s a decade or so out until we can park telescopes at Lagrange points and do some really large scale interferometry.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 75,459

    🚨 | BREAKING: The UK will pay £400 million to Tehran to free Iranian-British woman Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe - Source

    Via @Paul_Bedfordshire
    Interesting.. I thought we don’t normally pay ransoms?

    Not when they're called ransoms at any rate. Seems an improbably large amount even if it happened (with a pretext that it was for something else too).
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 52,205
    Gary Neville is ranting and no-one can get a word in

    Quite funny really
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 101,708
    tlg86 said:

    Manchester United fans are thugs, the club should be relegated two divisions.

    https://twitter.com/SteveRobson04/status/1388870993528115205

    Also assaulting rozzers

    https://twitter.com/RobHarris/status/1388874097875210240

    Heroes.
    You're on the side of violence.

    Shame on you.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 52,205
    Police dispersing crowds at O T
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 45,382
    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    Surely if the Man United v Liverpool fixture can't go ahead then this should be a forfeit by Man United?

    I doubt it very much.

    Serious respect for those United fans. They should do whatever it takes to get rid of their club's owners.
    Should the authorities be doubting the wisdom of fans for the final 2 rounds?
    I predict serious trouble if they are allowed to go ahead.
    Particularly if away fans are added to the mix.
    There will be even more trouble if they pull the plug on it after today.
    Of course, if Man Utd's games were cancelled and forfeit, it would open up just the tiniest bit of hope for Fulham...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 75,459

    Like Quebec, Catalonia is an example of how NOT to do things. Both held the threat of separatism over their people’s, and businesses voted with their feet - going elsewhere. Is that really what Scots want?

    https://twitter.com/2351onthelist/status/1388628958145654784?s=20

    The Scots won’t acknowledge the consequence of the vote until is has actually happened. It was the same with Brexit.
    It's emotional in these situations. For good and ill you don't have consequences until it is too late to change your mind.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 23,036

    tlg86 said:

    Manchester United fans are thugs, the club should be relegated two divisions.

    https://twitter.com/SteveRobson04/status/1388870993528115205

    Also assaulting rozzers

    https://twitter.com/RobHarris/status/1388874097875210240

    Heroes.
    You're on the side of violence.

    Shame on you.
    Civil disobedience.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 39,621
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Raab preparing the ground for ongoing measures after June 21st. The government needs to be straight with us, will we ever get the old normal back or not. Starmer needs to start asking these fucking questions now, not idiotic shite about wallpaper and nannies. We need clarity now, not mealy mouthed bullshit from ministers who have clearly made the judgement call despite the evidence and data showing vaccines are enough to keep the virus under control.

    What has he been saying?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56964296

    Mr Raab said the UK was "in a good position" to "get life back as close to normal as possible".

    The foreign secretary told BBC One's Andrew Marr Show: "But there will still need to be some safeguards in place."

    There's no party that wants to let go of this all powerful toolset they've been given over our lives. As soon as the virus is defeated (and it already is, tbh) they won't be able to rule over every minutiae of our lives, how far apart we need to sit from each other, making us check in to all venues so they know where everyone is at all times, whether or not people can have sex with perfect strangers. The politicians don't want to give up control of anything.
    Hang on: he's the Foreign Secretary, so he might be talking about some continued restrictions on travel (which would be no surprise).
    No, he was wibbling about masks and social distancing.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 75,459

    Foxy said:

    🚨 | BREAKING: The UK will pay £400 million to Tehran to free Iranian-British woman Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe - Source

    Via @Paul_Bedfordshire
    Interesting.. I thought we don’t normally pay ransoms?

    Isn't it a refund for their tanks ordered but never delivered?
    The UK could deliver 1200 fifty year old Chieftains just for the bantz.

    I'd thought that a big sticking point was the Iranians wanting interest on the outstanding amount.
    Seriously, these disputes boil down to arguments about interest payments? What a world.
  • TazTaz Posts: 5,043
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Manchester United fans are thugs, the club should be relegated two divisions.

    https://twitter.com/SteveRobson04/status/1388870993528115205

    Also assaulting rozzers

    https://twitter.com/RobHarris/status/1388874097875210240

    Heroes.
    You're on the side of violence.

    Shame on you.
    Civil disobedience.
    Rebranding excercise.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 646
    rcs1000 said:

    theProle said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Sounds like the government is breaking its promise to end all Covid-19 social measures by 21st June. Despite the fact that the figures are far better than anyone was expecting at this stage.

    Exactly nobody saw that coming did they? Its been obvious for months that they intend to make us wear masks till the end of time.

    One of my biggest remaining desires is to be allowed to sing in the congregation at church - we have taken to trooping outside and singing in the carpark, but it's not quite the same. I've a nasty feeling that they will hold onto this rule as long as they can too, especially as there aren't many votes in it.
    Do you think "masks until the end of time" will be a particularly vote winning policy?
    No, but unfortunately there are about 3 more years before we are likely to get to vote this lot out. It would be quite nice to go back to normal a little sooner. Also, at present we have a leader of HM opposition who seems to believe that his role consists of nodding along with government policy, unless it involves designer wallpaper.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 39,621
    tlg86 said:

    Manchester United fans are thugs, the club should be relegated two divisions.

    https://twitter.com/SteveRobson04/status/1388870993528115205

    Also assaulting rozzers

    https://twitter.com/RobHarris/status/1388874097875210240

    Heroes.
    [email protected]
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 8,223
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Manchester United fans are thugs, the club should be relegated two divisions.

    https://twitter.com/SteveRobson04/status/1388870993528115205

    Also assaulting rozzers

    https://twitter.com/RobHarris/status/1388874097875210240

    Heroes.
    You're on the side of violence.

    Shame on you.
    Civil disobedience.
    Rioting is UNcivil disobedience. NOT what you seem to think.
  • TazTaz Posts: 5,043
    kle4 said:

    🚨 | BREAKING: The UK will pay £400 million to Tehran to free Iranian-British woman Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe - Source

    Via @Paul_Bedfordshire
    Interesting.. I thought we don’t normally pay ransoms?

    Not when they're called ransoms at any rate. Seems an improbably large amount even if it happened (with a pretext that it was for something else too).
    It’s money the U.K. govt owes the Iranian govt.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 101,708
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Manchester United fans are thugs, the club should be relegated two divisions.

    https://twitter.com/SteveRobson04/status/1388870993528115205

    Also assaulting rozzers

    https://twitter.com/RobHarris/status/1388874097875210240

    Heroes.
    You're on the side of violence.

    Shame on you.
    Civil disobedience.
    Liverpool fans got rid of Hicks and Gillett without the need for violence.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 23,036

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Manchester United fans are thugs, the club should be relegated two divisions.

    https://twitter.com/SteveRobson04/status/1388870993528115205

    Also assaulting rozzers

    https://twitter.com/RobHarris/status/1388874097875210240

    Heroes.
    You're on the side of violence.

    Shame on you.
    Civil disobedience.
    Rioting is UNcivil disobedience. NOT what you seem to think.
    Rioting? Don't see it myself.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 23,036

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Manchester United fans are thugs, the club should be relegated two divisions.

    https://twitter.com/SteveRobson04/status/1388870993528115205

    Also assaulting rozzers

    https://twitter.com/RobHarris/status/1388874097875210240

    Heroes.
    You're on the side of violence.

    Shame on you.
    Civil disobedience.
    Liverpool fans got rid of Hicks and Gillett without the need for violence.
    Didn't the club simply get repossessed by RBS?
  • TresTres Posts: 961
    Hurray! Hurray for the legacy fans!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 45,382
    theProle said:

    rcs1000 said:

    theProle said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Sounds like the government is breaking its promise to end all Covid-19 social measures by 21st June. Despite the fact that the figures are far better than anyone was expecting at this stage.

    Exactly nobody saw that coming did they? Its been obvious for months that they intend to make us wear masks till the end of time.

    One of my biggest remaining desires is to be allowed to sing in the congregation at church - we have taken to trooping outside and singing in the carpark, but it's not quite the same. I've a nasty feeling that they will hold onto this rule as long as they can too, especially as there aren't many votes in it.
    Do you think "masks until the end of time" will be a particularly vote winning policy?
    No, but unfortunately there are about 3 more years before we are likely to get to vote this lot out. It would be quite nice to go back to normal a little sooner. Also, at present we have a leader of HM opposition who seems to believe that his role consists of nodding along with government policy, unless it involves designer wallpaper.
    In LA, there are three remaining significant restrictions:

    - masks on public transport and shops
    - no karaoke bars or nightclubs
    - restrictions on capacity at sporting events and gyms

    While I'd like the remaining restrictions lifted, there remains a substantial number of antivaxxers here (much more than in the UK), so I'd expect those restrictions to be lifted more slowly than I'd like.

    But you know what? Normal life is 99% back now. How much time do I spend in supermarkets anyway?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 20,944
    Taz said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Manchester United fans are thugs, the club should be relegated two divisions.

    https://twitter.com/SteveRobson04/status/1388870993528115205

    Also assaulting rozzers

    https://twitter.com/RobHarris/status/1388874097875210240

    Heroes.
    You're on the side of violence.

    Shame on you.
    Civil disobedience.
    Rebranding excercise.
    Cvl dsbdnc.
    That'll be £1m. You're welcome.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 34,892

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Manchester United fans are thugs, the club should be relegated two divisions.

    https://twitter.com/SteveRobson04/status/1388870993528115205

    Also assaulting rozzers

    https://twitter.com/RobHarris/status/1388874097875210240

    Heroes.
    You're on the side of violence.

    Shame on you.
    Civil disobedience.
    Liverpool fans got rid of Hicks and Gillett without the need for violence.
    Err, what? The Liverpool fans had nothing to do with it. H&G almost went bankrupt because of the PiKs so we're forced to sell.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 8,223
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Manchester United fans are thugs, the club should be relegated two divisions.

    https://twitter.com/SteveRobson04/status/1388870993528115205

    Also assaulting rozzers

    https://twitter.com/RobHarris/status/1388874097875210240

    Heroes.
    You're on the side of violence.

    Shame on you.
    Civil disobedience.
    Rioting is UNcivil disobedience. NOT what you seem to think.
    Rioting? Don't see it myself.
    Supposedly police being attacked?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 13,837
    edited May 2021

    So far impact of vaccines is dramatic in UK, pronounced in US, not at all visible in EU (I expect that to start changing this month)...UK ended up being exemplary not only in speed but also in prioritizing those at risk. In Italy notably those in 30-40 age group were vaccinated faster than 70-80. Result: Italy has been recording hundreds of deaths every day

    https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1388853906697031683?s=20


    I recall that we had a surprisingly straightline fall in UK numbers.

    These are current EU daily death and case rates, which seem to show the start of straightline downward trends, and look more encouraging. But still about 6-8 weeks to go to choke off the current wave if this trend holds.

    The EU lines will have a lot of smoothing from the 27 different samples.

    One difficult question will be if early or fast unlockdowns stretch out the time.







  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 101,708
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Manchester United fans are thugs, the club should be relegated two divisions.

    https://twitter.com/SteveRobson04/status/1388870993528115205

    Also assaulting rozzers

    https://twitter.com/RobHarris/status/1388874097875210240

    Heroes.
    You're on the side of violence.

    Shame on you.
    Civil disobedience.
    Liverpool fans got rid of Hicks and Gillett without the need for violence.
    Didn't the club simply get repossessed by RBS?
    Thanks to LFC fans, they closed down all avenues for Hicks & Gillett.

    When Hicks tried to bypass Broughton and refinance through US equity firm Blackstone Group, and so stay on, fans responded with an email protest — 14,000 were sent to the company. The club made the front of the Wall Street Journal.

    'A Texan Tycoon Learns a Lesson; Don't Mess with Liverpool fans,' the headline stated.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8381585/When-owners-Gillett-Hicks-drove-Liverpool-debt-forced-10-years-ago.html
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 52,205
    edited May 2021
    OT cleared in the proximity of the stadium

    Looks as if it may still go ahead later

    Looking at Man Utd fixtures I doubt it could be rescheduled before the end of the season
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 23,036

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Manchester United fans are thugs, the club should be relegated two divisions.

    https://twitter.com/SteveRobson04/status/1388870993528115205

    Also assaulting rozzers

    https://twitter.com/RobHarris/status/1388874097875210240

    Heroes.
    You're on the side of violence.

    Shame on you.
    Civil disobedience.
    Liverpool fans got rid of Hicks and Gillett without the need for violence.
    Didn't the club simply get repossessed by RBS?
    Thanks to LFC fans, they closed down all avenues for Hicks & Gillett.

    When Hicks tried to bypass Broughton and refinance through US equity firm Blackstone Group, and so stay on, fans responded with an email protest — 14,000 were sent to the company. The club made the front of the Wall Street Journal.

    'A Texan Tycoon Learns a Lesson; Don't Mess with Liverpool fans,' the headline stated.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8381585/When-owners-Gillett-Hicks-drove-Liverpool-debt-forced-10-years-ago.html
    Alas, Man Utd fans aren't in the luxurious position of threatening bankers given the Glazers are solvent.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 101,708
    edited May 2021
    MaxPB said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Manchester United fans are thugs, the club should be relegated two divisions.

    https://twitter.com/SteveRobson04/status/1388870993528115205

    Also assaulting rozzers

    https://twitter.com/RobHarris/status/1388874097875210240

    Heroes.
    You're on the side of violence.

    Shame on you.
    Civil disobedience.
    Liverpool fans got rid of Hicks and Gillett without the need for violence.
    Err, what? The Liverpool fans had nothing to do with it. H&G almost went bankrupt because of the PiKs so we're forced to sell.
    Read this book by Brian Reade, Blackstone were about to give Hicks a loan and allow him to retain control of LFC until LFC fans contacted Blackstone, even The WSJ covered it.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Epic-Swindle-Months-Pair-Cowboys/dp/085738600X
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 101,708

    OT cleared in the proximity of the stadium

    Looks as if it may still go ahead later

    Looking at Man Utd fixtures I doubt it could be rescheduled before the end of the season

    It can be played tomorrow.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 45,382
    MattW said:

    So far impact of vaccines is dramatic in UK, pronounced in US, not at all visible in EU (I expect that to start changing this month)...UK ended up being exemplary not only in speed but also in prioritizing those at risk. In Italy notably those in 30-40 age group were vaccinated faster than 70-80. Result: Italy has been recording hundreds of deaths every day

    https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1388853906697031683?s=20


    I recall that we had a surprisingly straightline fall in UK numbers.

    These are current EU daily death and case rates, which seem to show the start of straightline downward trends, and look more encouraging. But still about 6-8 weeks to go to choke off the current wave if this trend holds.

    The EU lines will have a lot of smoothing from the 27 different samples.

    One difficult question will be if early or fast unlockdowns stretch out the time.







    I think that's about right, with (as you say) the proviso that different countries are going to have very different experiences,

    Why does Latvia only have 14% of its population having had even a single dose of vaccine? While Finland (who's followed the UK strategy of using first doses as widely as possible) is up to 35%?

    Generally, though, the EU is getting its shit together. Last week it went from 22.9% with at least one dose to 27.2% - so it remains about 10 to 12 weeks behind the UK.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 52,205

    OT cleared in the proximity of the stadium

    Looks as if it may still go ahead later

    Looking at Man Utd fixtures I doubt it could be rescheduled before the end of the season

    It can be played tomorrow.
    I would not expect that to happen and I think it is the reason they seem likely to play tonight
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 101,708

    OT cleared in the proximity of the stadium

    Looks as if it may still go ahead later

    Looking at Man Utd fixtures I doubt it could be rescheduled before the end of the season

    It can be played tomorrow.
    I would not expect that to happen and I think it is the reason they seem likely to play tonight
    Clubs have regularly played Monday-Thursday.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 52,205

    OT cleared in the proximity of the stadium

    Looks as if it may still go ahead later

    Looking at Man Utd fixtures I doubt it could be rescheduled before the end of the season

    It can be played tomorrow.
    I would not expect that to happen and I think it is the reason they seem likely to play tonight
    Clubs have regularly played Monday-Thursday.
    Not on 24 hours notice
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 101,708

    OT cleared in the proximity of the stadium

    Looks as if it may still go ahead later

    Looking at Man Utd fixtures I doubt it could be rescheduled before the end of the season

    It can be played tomorrow.
    I would not expect that to happen and I think it is the reason they seem likely to play tonight
    Clubs have regularly played Monday-Thursday.
    Not on 24 hours notice
    With no fans it is doable.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,910

    OT cleared in the proximity of the stadium

    Looks as if it may still go ahead later

    Looking at Man Utd fixtures I doubt it could be rescheduled before the end of the season

    It can be played tomorrow.
    I would not expect that to happen and I think it is the reason they seem likely to play tonight
    Clubs have regularly played Monday-Thursday.
    Aston Villa have quite the schedule for their final run-in, including playing Everton twice in 12 days.
  • pingping Posts: 2,208
    Betfair seems to think it’s a 5:30 kick off.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 101,708
    So Manchester United are unable to fulfill their fixture due to behaviour of their fans, award Liverpool a 3-0 win and move on.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 101,708
    ping said:

    Betfair seems to think it’s a 5:30 kick off.

    Well the players are still at their hotel.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 20,944
    Quincel said:

    OT cleared in the proximity of the stadium

    Looks as if it may still go ahead later

    Looking at Man Utd fixtures I doubt it could be rescheduled before the end of the season

    It can be played tomorrow.
    I would not expect that to happen and I think it is the reason they seem likely to play tonight
    Clubs have regularly played Monday-Thursday.
    Aston Villa have quite the schedule for their final run-in, including playing Everton twice in 12 days.
    That's cos they, and City, both postponed games against us due to lax Covid behaviour.
    Neither of them forfeited.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 20,944
    It doesn't seem to have filtered through that Boris saved football.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 23,036
    dixiedean said:

    It doesn't seem to have filtered through that Boris saved football.

    He saved football, but not the soul of Man Utd et al. That's the current fight.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    So far impact of vaccines is dramatic in UK, pronounced in US, not at all visible in EU (I expect that to start changing this month)...UK ended up being exemplary not only in speed but also in prioritizing those at risk. In Italy notably those in 30-40 age group were vaccinated faster than 70-80. Result: Italy has been recording hundreds of deaths every day

    https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1388853906697031683?s=20


    I recall that we had a surprisingly straightline fall in UK numbers.

    These are current EU daily death and case rates, which seem to show the start of straightline downward trends, and look more encouraging. But still about 6-8 weeks to go to choke off the current wave if this trend holds.

    The EU lines will have a lot of smoothing from the 27 different samples.

    One difficult question will be if early or fast unlockdowns stretch out the time.







    I think that's about right, with (as you say) the proviso that different countries are going to have very different experiences,

    Why does Latvia only have 14% of its population having had even a single dose of vaccine? While Finland (who's followed the UK strategy of using first doses as widely as possible) is up to 35%?

    Generally, though, the EU is getting its shit together. Last week it went from 22.9% with at least one dose to 27.2% - so it remains about 10 to 12 weeks behind the UK.
    Robert is there a reason you keep quoting percentage of adult figures, when most nations and international comparisons have been quoting numbers on a percentage of people basis?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 52,205

    So Manchester United are unable to fulfill their fixture due to behaviour of their fans, award Liverpool a 3-0 win and move on.

    Liverpool supporters desperation is embarrassing

    Win it on the field
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 52,205
    ping said:

    Betfair seems to think it’s a 5:30 kick off.

    Impossible

    No news of teams leaving their hotels yet
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 101,708

    So Manchester United are unable to fulfill their fixture due to behaviour of their fans, award Liverpool a 3-0 win and move on.

    Liverpool supporters desperation is embarrassing

    Win it on the field
    You don’t have a sense of humour do you?

    No wonder why you’re so perpetually bitter at Mark Drakeford.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 52,205

    So Manchester United are unable to fulfill their fixture due to behaviour of their fans, award Liverpool a 3-0 win and move on.

    Liverpool supporters desperation is embarrassing

    Win it on the field
    You don’t have a sense of humour do you?

    No wonder why you’re so perpetually bitter at Mark Drakeford.
    Not when it comes to scousers desperate attempt to try to get in the top four

    It is however, hilarious
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 39,621
    If you’ve nothing to hide...

    Russian billionaires file lawsuits over book on Putin’s rise
    https://twitter.com/FT/status/1388493957508878336
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