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To you lurkers, why not delurk? Once you delurk, you won’t be saying Oh My God, what have I done, you’ll be saying Lurking, Every Day I Love You Less and Less.
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Wohom will Wodger whisch dead furst: Woll-up, woll-up. Comedy is a symptom....
Up the Palace!
17.96 Zola
66.61 Malky Mackay
79.05 Mendilibar
134.13 Schaaf
69.1 Flores
50.41 Mauricio Pellegrino
15.44 Mel
37.16 Jones
59.19 Downing
113.3 Clement
17.39 sven
-1.61 Others
Which probably means I'll end up losing £1.61
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25656426
What an absolute asshole Cammo is; a know-nothing shyster.
Liberal Democrat MP Don Foster will stand down at the next General Election, The Bath Chronicle reported.
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-01-08/lib-dem-mp-don-foster-to-stand-down-at-next-election/
2/5 as next manager out
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/next-manager-to-leave-post
I wonder how politics would be today if Chris Patten had held Bath in 1992
Story on Chris Christie here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-25659532
At the time I was tied up with family matters and not giving the site the attention I should have.
Your boasting tonight compounds your original actions and a ban is now in place
There was an inquest under the law at which a great deal of evidence was presented. The jury heard the evidence and answered the questions put to them and came to a decision. There was no lack of justice; what the Duggan family are complaining about is that the result was not the one they wanted but that is not the police's fault nor anyone's fault.
The question of whether the police behaved as well as they could have is a different issue but those who raise the issue of trust in the police would also do well to ask themselves questions about how the police are supposed to behave when protecting the law-abiding from young men who carry guns with them in broad daylight in the middle of our major cities.
Lammy may be trying to appease the outraged family without egging them on. He was sound after the initial rioting. On that note, the BBC (and, I would guess, other media outlets) are 100% wrong when they say Duggan's death kicked off three days or so of rioting. It kicked off one day of rioting. The police (more top brass than bobbies on the beat) were afraid to handle it robustly would be seen as racist, and the violent thugs of the capital seized the opportunity to embark on a night or two of looting.
What happened after the initial day was not rioting, it was looting.
As it happens, I probably veer more to your position than his, but I suspect that he's better informed on climate change than you are.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25648019
Making it a criminal offence to engage in, or threaten to engage in, acts which are deemed a nuisance or annoying is just crazy. MPs should be ashamed of themselves for so indefensibly (and stupidly) trying to curtail freedom of speech.
On Saturday, I've bet on Crystal Palace to beat Spurs.
Lammy was certainly sound after the riots and spoke some hard truths about the behaviour of some young black men. which is why I hope he doesn't now fall into the trap of being seen only as a defender of the Duggans of this world.
When did inquest juries change from giving a "verdict" to giving "conclusions"?
And when did it change to explicitly answering a list of questions, as well as the main verdict on the killing itself?
The answers given by the jury in the Duggan case seem to be at a very high level of wisdom and good sense.
Labour lead down to 2% followed by a collective PB Hodges posting orgasm.
I doubt it. He probably gets his briefings from the DECC.
Plus of course his father in law makes a very large amount of money from having windmills on his land. I have often thought that it is an amazing coincidence that Cameron supports a policy that makes his family even richer (doesn't Clegg's missus hold some post with a firm that benefits from renewable energy subsidies?)
For sure the Duggan shooting was the catalyst but there was a seething resentment which found expression in the riots and looting and the fact that for those nights, and until the Met got their act together, there was an opportunity to claim the streets. It was about power.
To quote from "Reading the Riots" (The Guardian studies):
"We had the [the police] under control. We had them under manners for once. They never had us under manners. We had them on lock. On smash. Running away from us. We weren't running from the police...We was enforcing the law..."
ok it's the Guradian but other studies corroborate this:
amazon.co.uk/Mobs-Englishmen-Myths-realities-riots-ebook/dp/B006654U9U/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1389217195&sr=1-1&keywords=mad+mobs+and+englishmen
amazon.co.uk/Among-Hoods-Years-Teenage-Gang-ebook/dp/B0086KQ4OC/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1389217262&sr=1-1&keywords=harriet+sergeant
Arresting suspected gangsters in crowded city streets is not easy. This was the first such death in over 200 arrests by Trident. A pretty impressive record really, even allowing for this one.
It was rioting which became looting because it could become looting because at that point the police had lost the streets. The over-riding intent of the rioters was to illustrate their power. Looting became the manifestation of this intent (what better way to show the police you are in charge than to commit criminal acts in front of them and the world's media) although there was of course plenty of sheer criminality concurrently and separating the two out is not a mathematical exercise.
But, as per my post above, the critical element of this was the build-up of resentment by mainly black youths at their treatment by the police and the particular set of circumstances which lead to them being able to counter such treatment on the streets.
My butting in was certain to make your bet a winner
I tipped the 18/1 Negredo Hat trick and forgot to back it... Serves me right
We've all been there.
As for the comments by the youths that they had the police under control and were enforcing the law, that is precisely a definition of anarchy - the forces of law and order had lost control and a lot of people were intent on taking advantage of that for their own selfish advantage at the expense of innocent victims
There is justified resentment e.g. at abuse of power by the police and then there is unjustified resentment i.e. of criminals that there are people/bodies there stopping them from carrying on their criminal activities. Important, I think, to distinguish between the two.
YouGov/Sun poll tonight: Labour lead by six, up one point on yesterday: CON 32%, LAB 38%, LD 9%, UKIP 13%
My back is starting to kill me.
Same as when right wingers say PB kinnocks or whatever, it's not at all funny
Edit: And what's the one about Kay Burley mean, whilst you're at it.
There was resentment at the abuse of police power in the way that the police treated predominantly black youths in Brixton and other areas. Due to a particular set of circumstances this resentment was able to find expression following the protests outside Tottenham police station (and the arguably clumsy handling of those protests by the police).
That particular set of circumstances lead to a situation where riots could occur and the riots which followed were primarily or initially an expression of this frustration. There was also an opportunity to demonstrate a power that is usually denied those who feel such resentment.
There was intertwined and inextricably linked all kinds of criminality, opportunism, bullying, vandalism and so forth but as many studies have shown, after a certain point it is not possible to distinguish the activities as you suggest.
Hodges - As in Dan Hodges, the Tory spinner, maker up of anti-Labour stories with unnamed sources and marginal seat polling dreamer.
I think I've worked that one out.
Thank you for that support. Much appreciated. The original incidents happened the day after my brother's funeral and I was largely ignoring the site.
I can respect many people in both camps; it is often the way they treat people in the opposing camp that says more than their actual arguments.
The climate changes. The atmosphere is a major factor in climate. Man pumps stuff into the atmosphere. Whether man causes any of the change, and the magnitude of the man-made change (if any), is a devilish job to discern, and may even be impossible without the presence of a control Earth. Modelling can only do so much, and the systems are inherently complex to understand, yet alone model.
I'm more in the theres-a-fuckload-of-uncertainty-here,-let's-do-more-science-and-mitigate-effects-of-both-natural-and-most-possible-anthropomorphic-climate-change camp.
On your other point: maybe I'm not an evil baby-eating Tory, but I don't think I'd change policy, or do something I disagreed with, to make my father-in-law money. (That is, if he lived in the UK).
In reality I don't give a flying what anyone thinks of me as I will most probably never meet you, and have only ever, as far as I know, met one of you.
Look ...words..on a computer screen. That's all they are.
Polling dreamer.....polling crossover
:-)
I don't know what has happened with tim/seanT but I have to say I find the quality of discussion has improved and I'm posting more as a result.
Will the real Daily Telegraph please step forward and take it`s place?
Just agreeing with @nigel4england that it is boring and dull
I don't really get why people think their online manners etc dont matter as they're not going to meet the person in real life... Few of us will ever meet but while we re posting in here we may as well be civil...
Saying 'its only words on a computer screen' makes it a bit weird that you bother to argue so much in the first place doesn't it?
The Guardian wrote two different articles on Peter Hitchens on on day... The online and paper versions were edited differently...
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/
On the front page of the Sun dressed up as a suicide bomber.
Dennis Skinner retorted: "It will not be hard truths for people like Mr Osborne and the rest of them on millionaires' row."
Emergency responders were delayed in attending to four medical situations – including one in which a 91-year-old woman lay unconscious – due to traffic gridlock caused by unannounced closures of access lanes to the George Washington Bridge, according to the head of the borough’s EMS department.
The woman later died, borough records show.
In at least two of those instances, response time doubled, noted EMS coordinator Paul Favia, who documented those cases in a Sept. 10 letter to Mayor Mark Sokolich, which The Record obtained.
http://www.northjersey.com/fortlee/GWB_lane_closures_delayed_EMS_response_in_Fort_Lee.html?mobile=1&ic=1&iphone=1
So much depends on local organisation, Where that is still working fine they will be very tough opponents.
The whole differentiation strategy that we are seeing will help bring back LAB tactical voters.