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  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 8,631

    Off topic, anyone know what the laws/rules for drones are?

    I heard an angry buzzing sound in my garden today - like a soprano motorcycle revving, or a very angry bee or wasp about 3ft away - and it didn't seem to move, go anywhere or stop. It took me about a minute to click: I looked up 100ft to see a tiny irritating drone f**king about over people's gardens. It then slowly went over mine, and then disappeared.

    My first reaction was to flip it the bird - although I didn't, in case it was a neighbour or their kid - and I also felt an overwhelmingly desire to bring it down/shoot it down. I can only imagine this sort of intrusion will become an ever-increasing problem.

    Any tips?

    Use it for target practise once delivery by drone becomes the norm it will be a useful skill though somewhat of a lucky dip
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited April 2021
    Leon said:

    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    Sadiq!


    Sadiq Khan
    @SadiqKhan
    ·
    2m
    Football should be for the fans, not the elite, for the many, not the few. I urge the clubs involved with the misguided proposal of the European Super League to think again. If the clubs do press ahead they must know they could face intervention to protect the game we all love.

    FTMNTF!!

    Has Sadiq hired Jezza's Twitter gopher?

    Anyhoo, this whole proposal feels like the Spanish clubs trying to stave off covid inspired financial default but grabbing a slice of Premier League income streams. And the more gullible owners in the Premier League falling for it. A few Italian clubs not wanting to miss the party. And the French and Germans watching from the side quite confused as their stupidity.
    Yes, your diagnosis is spot on. Which is why I reckon this is more than a bluff - the Spanish are desperate

    However the opposition is now so massive - up to the Prime Minister of the UK and the President of France, I just don't see how it flies

    And they may already have incurred reputational damage of some significance. Tho I suppose they won't care if UEFA cuts them a larger slice of the UCL pie
    Apparently Barcelona are particularly in the doo doo, Trump style loan repayments of 100+ million need to be made shortly or try to refinance them at even bigger rates, and 1.3bn in the hole overall.

    https://youtu.be/uAJVzkhGLio
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,165

    Leon said:

    Sadiq!


    Sadiq Khan
    @SadiqKhan
    ·
    2m
    Football should be for the fans, not the elite, for the many, not the few. I urge the clubs involved with the misguided proposal of the European Super League to think again. If the clubs do press ahead they must know they could face intervention to protect the game we all love.

    "Football should be for the fans, not the elite, for the many, not the few."

    That ship sailed, was wrecked, pirated, sold for scrap and forgotten about long ago.
    I read Fever Pitch last week. I've avoided it for a long time as I was worried about it being too close to home. Hornby's recollection of being at Cambridge was eerily similar to my experience of Oxford.

    Anyway, he speculates on the future of the game post-Hillsborough and basically says that you don't have a right to be able to go to a game. Yes the fan base is likely to become more middle class, but suck it up.

    He also wondered how loyal they'd be. Well, up to now I reckon they've been very loyal. But this is a big test.
  • Cocky_cockneyCocky_cockney Posts: 760
    edited April 2021
    All the criticism is probably justified & I agree with it. But I can't help but remember Kerry Packer.

    This reaction is similar to what happened then. I don't know anyone who would now look back 45 years later and say the World Series was bad for cricket.

    I guess at least one of the differences is that the professional cricketers were paid a pittance back then and it was the elite who controlled the sport. Kerry Packer was a grass roots anarchist, but also brilliantly commercial. The World Series paved the way for some fundamental and brilliant changes to cricket which washed right down to grassroots. This by contrast is the elite, well paid footballers at the very top who already have everything, hiving off so in that sense it's diametrically different. Cricket also learned its lesson and the tolerance of national selectors towards the IPL (which is absolutely fantastic) is a very good thing.

    Spurs must be happy. They wouldn't be good enough to play at Super League level any other way :smiley:
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited April 2021

    All the criticism is probably justified & I agree with it. But I can't help but remember Kerry Packer.

    This reaction is similar to what happened then. I don't know anyone who would now look back 45 years later and say the World Series was bad for cricket.

    I guess at least one of the differences is that the professional cricketers were paid a pittance back then and it was the elite who controlled the sport. Kerry Packer was a grass roots anarchist, but also brilliantly commercial. This is the elite, well paid footballers at the very top who already have everything, hiving off so in that sense it's diametrically different.

    Spurs may be happy. They wouldn't be good enough to play at Super League level any other way :smiley:

    I have this vision of all the big teams head honchos quietly meeting in some restaurant, and by chance Daniel Levy arrives for a meal....invites himelf over and they can't get rid of him, so end up inviting Spurs to be involved so they don't have to put up with him any longer.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,268

    The pro Corbynista youngsters all for it....
    I'm really not sure about that poll

    Twitter is quite a young lefty platform, and it is 99% outraged by this super league idea

    Where are all the young fans saying YAY!!!

    There aren't any

    Perhaps the poll should have said Do you want a superleague which will mean your club is excluded from the EPL and it goes to a franchise system with no relegation and you can't afford to travel to away matches?

    Less popular, I suspect
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,165

    Off topic, anyone know what the laws/rules for drones are?

    I heard an angry buzzing sound in my garden today - like a soprano motorcycle revving, or a very angry bee or wasp about 3ft away - and it didn't seem to move, go anywhere or stop. It took me about a minute to click: I looked up 100ft to see a tiny irritating drone f**king about over people's gardens. It then slowly went over mine, and then disappeared.

    My first reaction was to flip it the bird - although I didn't, in case it was a neighbour or their kid - and I also felt an overwhelmingly desire to bring it down/shoot it down. I can only imagine this sort of intrusion will become an ever-increasing problem.

    Any tips?

    Don't shoot it down. I think you could be in big trouble if you did.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,739

    I don't know anyone who would now look back 45 years later and say the World Series was bad for cricket.

    Did the commercialisation lead to no test cricket being shown free to air?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,625
    tlg86 said:

    Leon said:

    Sadiq!


    Sadiq Khan
    @SadiqKhan
    ·
    2m
    Football should be for the fans, not the elite, for the many, not the few. I urge the clubs involved with the misguided proposal of the European Super League to think again. If the clubs do press ahead they must know they could face intervention to protect the game we all love.

    "Football should be for the fans, not the elite, for the many, not the few."

    That ship sailed, was wrecked, pirated, sold for scrap and forgotten about long ago.
    I read Fever Pitch last week. I've avoided it for a long time as I was worried about it being too close to home. Hornby's recollection of being at Cambridge was eerily similar to my experience of Oxford.

    Anyway, he speculates on the future of the game post-Hillsborough and basically says that you don't have a right to be able to go to a game. Yes the fan base is likely to become more middle class, but suck it up.

    He also wondered how loyal they'd be. Well, up to now I reckon they've been very loyal. But this is a big test.
    One of my friends bought shirts for his sons, for their favourite team.

    The price ended up, as it happened, as a years membership of a rather decent local rowing club.

    I remember when football "needed" national lottery money to rebuild Wembley. The condition was that it would be a dual use facility - for athletics as well. Then the football types decided that it would spoil the atmosphere. So the the new stadia was football only. The money wasn't given back to the athletics "pot". Obviously. Because football is too poor.....
  • CookieCookie Posts: 11,184
    Anyway, it's been another glorious day in the North West. Spent the day in a park in Warrington with my family and my best friend and his family.
    Men aren't really supposed to have best friends, I don't think. It's a term which sounds a little incongruous coming from a man. But anyway - I haven't seen him for over a year. Hadn't realised until today how much I'd missed him. Feeling ten foot tall now.
    The park was joyously packed full of families fearlessly having a nice time in the Spring sunshine. Wonderful to see.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,739
    tlg86 said:

    Don't shoot it down. I think you could be in big trouble if you did.

    Who owns the airspace?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,165
    Wasn't World Series Cricket more about the cricketers being paid a fair wage? Wasn't that why the likes of Richie Benaud supported it?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited April 2021

    tlg86 said:

    Leon said:

    Sadiq!


    Sadiq Khan
    @SadiqKhan
    ·
    2m
    Football should be for the fans, not the elite, for the many, not the few. I urge the clubs involved with the misguided proposal of the European Super League to think again. If the clubs do press ahead they must know they could face intervention to protect the game we all love.

    "Football should be for the fans, not the elite, for the many, not the few."

    That ship sailed, was wrecked, pirated, sold for scrap and forgotten about long ago.
    I read Fever Pitch last week. I've avoided it for a long time as I was worried about it being too close to home. Hornby's recollection of being at Cambridge was eerily similar to my experience of Oxford.

    Anyway, he speculates on the future of the game post-Hillsborough and basically says that you don't have a right to be able to go to a game. Yes the fan base is likely to become more middle class, but suck it up.

    He also wondered how loyal they'd be. Well, up to now I reckon they've been very loyal. But this is a big test.
    One of my friends bought shirts for his sons, for their favourite team.

    The price ended up, as it happened, as a years membership of a rather decent local rowing club.

    I remember when football "needed" national lottery money to rebuild Wembley. The condition was that it would be a dual use facility - for athletics as well. Then the football types decided that it would spoil the atmosphere. So the the new stadia was football only. The money wasn't given back to the athletics "pot". Obviously. Because football is too poor.....
    FA are skint... don't confuse EPL with FA.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,165
    Scott_xP said:

    tlg86 said:

    Don't shoot it down. I think you could be in big trouble if you did.

    Who owns the airspace?
    Not us plebs!
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 8,631
    tlg86 said:

    Off topic, anyone know what the laws/rules for drones are?

    I heard an angry buzzing sound in my garden today - like a soprano motorcycle revving, or a very angry bee or wasp about 3ft away - and it didn't seem to move, go anywhere or stop. It took me about a minute to click: I looked up 100ft to see a tiny irritating drone f**king about over people's gardens. It then slowly went over mine, and then disappeared.

    My first reaction was to flip it the bird - although I didn't, in case it was a neighbour or their kid - and I also felt an overwhelmingly desire to bring it down/shoot it down. I can only imagine this sort of intrusion will become an ever-increasing problem.

    Any tips?

    Don't shoot it down. I think you could be in big trouble if you did.
    Drones by law aren't allowed within so many metres of a domestic dwelling from memory it is about 50, unless you have a huge garden I think the drone was violating the law
    https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/uk-drone-laws-where-can-and-cant-you-fly-your-drone
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,286
    tlg86 said:

    Leon said:

    Sadiq!


    Sadiq Khan
    @SadiqKhan
    ·
    2m
    Football should be for the fans, not the elite, for the many, not the few. I urge the clubs involved with the misguided proposal of the European Super League to think again. If the clubs do press ahead they must know they could face intervention to protect the game we all love.

    "Football should be for the fans, not the elite, for the many, not the few."

    That ship sailed, was wrecked, pirated, sold for scrap and forgotten about long ago.
    I read Fever Pitch last week. I've avoided it for a long time as I was worried about it being too close to home. Hornby's recollection of being at Cambridge was eerily similar to my experience of Oxford.

    Anyway, he speculates on the future of the game post-Hillsborough and basically says that you don't have a right to be able to go to a game. Yes the fan base is likely to become more middle class, but suck it up.

    He also wondered how loyal they'd be. Well, up to now I reckon they've been very loyal. But this is a big test.
    I'm currently reading Among The Thugs by Bill Buford. Astonishing to read, even after 30 years.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,022
    tlg86 said:

    Off topic, anyone know what the laws/rules for drones are?

    I heard an angry buzzing sound in my garden today - like a soprano motorcycle revving, or a very angry bee or wasp about 3ft away - and it didn't seem to move, go anywhere or stop. It took me about a minute to click: I looked up 100ft to see a tiny irritating drone f**king about over people's gardens. It then slowly went over mine, and then disappeared.

    My first reaction was to flip it the bird - although I didn't, in case it was a neighbour or their kid - and I also felt an overwhelmingly desire to bring it down/shoot it down. I can only imagine this sort of intrusion will become an ever-increasing problem.

    Any tips?

    Don't shoot it down. I think you could be in big trouble if you did.
    Why?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Pagan2 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Off topic, anyone know what the laws/rules for drones are?

    I heard an angry buzzing sound in my garden today - like a soprano motorcycle revving, or a very angry bee or wasp about 3ft away - and it didn't seem to move, go anywhere or stop. It took me about a minute to click: I looked up 100ft to see a tiny irritating drone f**king about over people's gardens. It then slowly went over mine, and then disappeared.

    My first reaction was to flip it the bird - although I didn't, in case it was a neighbour or their kid - and I also felt an overwhelmingly desire to bring it down/shoot it down. I can only imagine this sort of intrusion will become an ever-increasing problem.

    Any tips?

    Don't shoot it down. I think you could be in big trouble if you did.
    Drones by law aren't allowed within so many metres of a domestic dwelling from memory it is about 50, unless you have a huge garden I think the drone was violating the law
    https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/uk-drone-laws-where-can-and-cant-you-fly-your-drone
    Unless it had an exception it was probably in breach of the law - If you really want to know Casino I will check when in "office" tomorrow
  • stodgestodge Posts: 12,745

    Off topic, anyone know what the laws/rules for drones are?

    I heard an angry buzzing sound in my garden today - like a soprano motorcycle revving, or a very angry bee or wasp about 3ft away - and it didn't seem to move, go anywhere or stop. It took me about a minute to click: I looked up 100ft to see a tiny irritating drone f**king about over people's gardens. It then slowly went over mine, and then disappeared.

    My first reaction was to flip it the bird - although I didn't, in case it was a neighbour or their kid - and I also felt an overwhelmingly desire to bring it down/shoot it down. I can only imagine this sort of intrusion will become an ever-increasing problem.

    Any tips?

    Drones are regulated - they shouldn't be flown over populated areas without licence and there needs to be adequate control in evidence.

    Additionally, the drone controller should seek permission from the owner of any land to be overflown and there's also an issue about asking anyone's permission before you film them or capture anything which identifies them.

    That should take the "fun" out of it but that's probably the point.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,022
    Pagan2 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Off topic, anyone know what the laws/rules for drones are?

    I heard an angry buzzing sound in my garden today - like a soprano motorcycle revving, or a very angry bee or wasp about 3ft away - and it didn't seem to move, go anywhere or stop. It took me about a minute to click: I looked up 100ft to see a tiny irritating drone f**king about over people's gardens. It then slowly went over mine, and then disappeared.

    My first reaction was to flip it the bird - although I didn't, in case it was a neighbour or their kid - and I also felt an overwhelmingly desire to bring it down/shoot it down. I can only imagine this sort of intrusion will become an ever-increasing problem.

    Any tips?

    Don't shoot it down. I think you could be in big trouble if you did.
    Drones by law aren't allowed within so many metres of a domestic dwelling from memory it is about 50, unless you have a huge garden I think the drone was violating the law
    https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/uk-drone-laws-where-can-and-cant-you-fly-your-drone
    I have an average sized garden for a detached house, and it was definitely closer than that. Although it was small I could see it clearly. I'd say 100ft. Possibly lower - even 60ft or 40ft.

    It was lingering over each property for a good few seconds, so I think it was peeking.

    Therefore, it was breaking the law.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Will the successor to UEFA be called ANTIFA?
  • Scott_xP said:

    I don't know anyone who would now look back 45 years later and say the World Series was bad for cricket.

    Did the commercialisation lead to no test cricket being shown free to air?
    Yes in a round about way it did.

    Complicated though isn't it because the players deserved to have decent salaries? TV rights had to be part of that reality. I guess the key is whether it's just skimming the cream off the top, or genuinely filtering down to all levels with opportunities for all? My sense is that the current structure of the game in Britain is about right, with County and National (central) squads.

    It's a good point though.

    Football stinks in lots of ways. There's a lot of dirty money that's gone into building up certain clubs.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901

    Pagan2 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Off topic, anyone know what the laws/rules for drones are?

    I heard an angry buzzing sound in my garden today - like a soprano motorcycle revving, or a very angry bee or wasp about 3ft away - and it didn't seem to move, go anywhere or stop. It took me about a minute to click: I looked up 100ft to see a tiny irritating drone f**king about over people's gardens. It then slowly went over mine, and then disappeared.

    My first reaction was to flip it the bird - although I didn't, in case it was a neighbour or their kid - and I also felt an overwhelmingly desire to bring it down/shoot it down. I can only imagine this sort of intrusion will become an ever-increasing problem.

    Any tips?

    Don't shoot it down. I think you could be in big trouble if you did.
    Drones by law aren't allowed within so many metres of a domestic dwelling from memory it is about 50, unless you have a huge garden I think the drone was violating the law
    https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/uk-drone-laws-where-can-and-cant-you-fly-your-drone
    I have an average sized garden for a detached house, and it was definitely closer than that. Although it was small I could see it clearly. I'd say 100ft. Possibly lower - even 60ft or 40ft.

    It was lingering over each property for a good few seconds, so I think it was peeking.

    Therefore, it was breaking the law.
    Air gun.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,022
    Scott_xP said:

    tlg86 said:

    Don't shoot it down. I think you could be in big trouble if you did.

    Who owns the airspace?
    That's a very interesting question. I think it's the CAA above 150ft.

    I'm not sure if it's me below 150ft, but I'd like to think so. It certainly has to be below 25ft, because that's the height of my house.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,268
    TEN MINUTES UNTIL THE ALLEGED SUPERLEAGUE ANNOUNCEMENT

    This is actually quite exciting
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,072

    tlg86 said:

    Off topic, anyone know what the laws/rules for drones are?

    I heard an angry buzzing sound in my garden today - like a soprano motorcycle revving, or a very angry bee or wasp about 3ft away - and it didn't seem to move, go anywhere or stop. It took me about a minute to click: I looked up 100ft to see a tiny irritating drone f**king about over people's gardens. It then slowly went over mine, and then disappeared.

    My first reaction was to flip it the bird - although I didn't, in case it was a neighbour or their kid - and I also felt an overwhelmingly desire to bring it down/shoot it down. I can only imagine this sort of intrusion will become an ever-increasing problem.

    Any tips?

    Don't shoot it down. I think you could be in big trouble if you did.
    Why?
    They could bring a claim against you for damage to their property.
  • tlg86 said:

    Wasn't World Series Cricket more about the cricketers being paid a fair wage? Wasn't that why the likes of Richie Benaud supported it?

    Yes it was and I highlighted that difference. It did bring some really beneficial changes to the game. But there was a hell of a furore at first and indeed whilst it ran.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,268
    EIGHT MINUTES
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,069
    edited April 2021

    All the criticism is probably justified & I agree with it. But I can't help but remember Kerry Packer.

    This reaction is similar to what happened then. I don't know anyone who would now look back 45 years later and say the World Series was bad for cricket.

    I guess at least one of the differences is that the professional cricketers were paid a pittance back then and it was the elite who controlled the sport. Kerry Packer was a grass roots anarchist, but also brilliantly commercial. This is the elite, well paid footballers at the very top who already have everything, hiving off so in that sense it's diametrically different.

    Spurs may be happy. They wouldn't be good enough to play at Super League level any other way :smiley:

    I have this vision of all the big teams head honchos quietly meeting in some restaurant, and by chance Daniel Levy arrives for a meal....invites himelf over and they can't get rid of him, so end up inviting Spurs to be involved so they don't have to put up with him any longer.
    I think what's done it is Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool looking quite unlike "top six" sides now. AC Milan and Inter will be the whipping boys of the new League too.

    It will lose those teams a lot of fans, and make the PL trophy resident in Leicester for the future.

    Leicester in the FA Cup final for the first time in 52 years. Its been a good weekend.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,022

    tlg86 said:

    Off topic, anyone know what the laws/rules for drones are?

    I heard an angry buzzing sound in my garden today - like a soprano motorcycle revving, or a very angry bee or wasp about 3ft away - and it didn't seem to move, go anywhere or stop. It took me about a minute to click: I looked up 100ft to see a tiny irritating drone f**king about over people's gardens. It then slowly went over mine, and then disappeared.

    My first reaction was to flip it the bird - although I didn't, in case it was a neighbour or their kid - and I also felt an overwhelmingly desire to bring it down/shoot it down. I can only imagine this sort of intrusion will become an ever-increasing problem.

    Any tips?

    Don't shoot it down. I think you could be in big trouble if you did.
    Why?
    They could bring a claim against you for damage to their property.
    Lol. I could bring a claim against them for invasion of *my* property.

    As far as I'm concerned, you invade my property and violate my privacy I'm entitled to use reasonable force to remove the intrusion - no-one dies or get hurt. They learn a lesson.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,165

    tlg86 said:

    Off topic, anyone know what the laws/rules for drones are?

    I heard an angry buzzing sound in my garden today - like a soprano motorcycle revving, or a very angry bee or wasp about 3ft away - and it didn't seem to move, go anywhere or stop. It took me about a minute to click: I looked up 100ft to see a tiny irritating drone f**king about over people's gardens. It then slowly went over mine, and then disappeared.

    My first reaction was to flip it the bird - although I didn't, in case it was a neighbour or their kid - and I also felt an overwhelmingly desire to bring it down/shoot it down. I can only imagine this sort of intrusion will become an ever-increasing problem.

    Any tips?

    Don't shoot it down. I think you could be in big trouble if you did.
    Why?
    Because you'd be guilty of shooting down an aircraft, even if you think it was justified.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited April 2021

    Scott_xP said:

    I don't know anyone who would now look back 45 years later and say the World Series was bad for cricket.

    Did the commercialisation lead to no test cricket being shown free to air?
    Yes in a round about way it did.

    Complicated though isn't it because the players deserved to have decent salaries? TV rights had to be part of that reality. I guess the key is whether it's just skimming the cream off the top, or genuinely filtering down to all levels with opportunities for all? My sense is that the current structure of the game in Britain is about right, with County and National (central) squads.

    It's a good point though.

    Football stinks in lots of ways. There's a lot of dirty money that's gone into building up certain clubs.
    I recently heard the full story of the Notts County takeover that led to Sven becoming manager....it is completely insane scam, where scams were used to get Notts County, which was only being used so they could scam North Korea in terms of mining rights.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,022
    stodge said:

    Off topic, anyone know what the laws/rules for drones are?

    I heard an angry buzzing sound in my garden today - like a soprano motorcycle revving, or a very angry bee or wasp about 3ft away - and it didn't seem to move, go anywhere or stop. It took me about a minute to click: I looked up 100ft to see a tiny irritating drone f**king about over people's gardens. It then slowly went over mine, and then disappeared.

    My first reaction was to flip it the bird - although I didn't, in case it was a neighbour or their kid - and I also felt an overwhelmingly desire to bring it down/shoot it down. I can only imagine this sort of intrusion will become an ever-increasing problem.

    Any tips?

    Drones are regulated - they shouldn't be flown over populated areas without licence and there needs to be adequate control in evidence.

    Additionally, the drone controller should seek permission from the owner of any land to be overflown and there's also an issue about asking anyone's permission before you film them or capture anything which identifies them.

    That should take the "fun" out of it but that's probably the point.
    Thanks. Happy for people to fly it in the park or field - like a model aircraft - but people seem to think having a drone gives them a licence to snoop.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,072

    tlg86 said:

    Off topic, anyone know what the laws/rules for drones are?

    I heard an angry buzzing sound in my garden today - like a soprano motorcycle revving, or a very angry bee or wasp about 3ft away - and it didn't seem to move, go anywhere or stop. It took me about a minute to click: I looked up 100ft to see a tiny irritating drone f**king about over people's gardens. It then slowly went over mine, and then disappeared.

    My first reaction was to flip it the bird - although I didn't, in case it was a neighbour or their kid - and I also felt an overwhelmingly desire to bring it down/shoot it down. I can only imagine this sort of intrusion will become an ever-increasing problem.

    Any tips?

    Don't shoot it down. I think you could be in big trouble if you did.
    Why?
    They could bring a claim against you for damage to their property.
    Lol. I could bring a claim against them for invasion of *my* property.

    As far as I'm concerned, you invade my property and violate my privacy I'm entitled to use reasonable force to remove the intrusion - no-one dies or get hurt. They learn a lesson.
    I don't disagree with you, but the possibility is still there. These drones can sometimes be worth quite a bit of money!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,625
    Jonathan said:

    Pagan2 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Off topic, anyone know what the laws/rules for drones are?

    I heard an angry buzzing sound in my garden today - like a soprano motorcycle revving, or a very angry bee or wasp about 3ft away - and it didn't seem to move, go anywhere or stop. It took me about a minute to click: I looked up 100ft to see a tiny irritating drone f**king about over people's gardens. It then slowly went over mine, and then disappeared.

    My first reaction was to flip it the bird - although I didn't, in case it was a neighbour or their kid - and I also felt an overwhelmingly desire to bring it down/shoot it down. I can only imagine this sort of intrusion will become an ever-increasing problem.

    Any tips?

    Don't shoot it down. I think you could be in big trouble if you did.
    Drones by law aren't allowed within so many metres of a domestic dwelling from memory it is about 50, unless you have a huge garden I think the drone was violating the law
    https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/uk-drone-laws-where-can-and-cant-you-fly-your-drone
    I have an average sized garden for a detached house, and it was definitely closer than that. Although it was small I could see it clearly. I'd say 100ft. Possibly lower - even 60ft or 40ft.

    It was lingering over each property for a good few seconds, so I think it was peeking.

    Therefore, it was breaking the law.
    Air gun.
    Illegal.

    Now, if you were flying your own, rather larger drone over your own property in compliance with the law, and some idiot smashed into it....

    While flying over your property....
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901

    Jonathan said:

    Pagan2 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Off topic, anyone know what the laws/rules for drones are?

    I heard an angry buzzing sound in my garden today - like a soprano motorcycle revving, or a very angry bee or wasp about 3ft away - and it didn't seem to move, go anywhere or stop. It took me about a minute to click: I looked up 100ft to see a tiny irritating drone f**king about over people's gardens. It then slowly went over mine, and then disappeared.

    My first reaction was to flip it the bird - although I didn't, in case it was a neighbour or their kid - and I also felt an overwhelmingly desire to bring it down/shoot it down. I can only imagine this sort of intrusion will become an ever-increasing problem.

    Any tips?

    Don't shoot it down. I think you could be in big trouble if you did.
    Drones by law aren't allowed within so many metres of a domestic dwelling from memory it is about 50, unless you have a huge garden I think the drone was violating the law
    https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/uk-drone-laws-where-can-and-cant-you-fly-your-drone
    I have an average sized garden for a detached house, and it was definitely closer than that. Although it was small I could see it clearly. I'd say 100ft. Possibly lower - even 60ft or 40ft.

    It was lingering over each property for a good few seconds, so I think it was peeking.

    Therefore, it was breaking the law.
    Air gun.
    Illegal.

    Now, if you were flying your own, rather larger drone over your own property in compliance with the law, and some idiot smashed into it....

    While flying over your property....
    Jamming signal?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Train a falcon.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,623
    Can I be first on the bandwagon of the european superliga vaccinepassporta
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,069
    Jonathan said:

    Train a falcon.

    Barrage balloons with a net.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,069

    tlg86 said:

    Off topic, anyone know what the laws/rules for drones are?

    I heard an angry buzzing sound in my garden today - like a soprano motorcycle revving, or a very angry bee or wasp about 3ft away - and it didn't seem to move, go anywhere or stop. It took me about a minute to click: I looked up 100ft to see a tiny irritating drone f**king about over people's gardens. It then slowly went over mine, and then disappeared.

    My first reaction was to flip it the bird - although I didn't, in case it was a neighbour or their kid - and I also felt an overwhelmingly desire to bring it down/shoot it down. I can only imagine this sort of intrusion will become an ever-increasing problem.

    Any tips?

    Don't shoot it down. I think you could be in big trouble if you did.
    Why?
    They could bring a claim against you for damage to their property.
    Lol. I could bring a claim against them for invasion of *my* property.

    As far as I'm concerned, you invade my property and violate my privacy I'm entitled to use reasonable force to remove the intrusion - no-one dies or get hurt. They learn a lesson.
    I don't think that we do own the airspace over our property.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,286
    edited April 2021

    tlg86 said:

    Wasn't World Series Cricket more about the cricketers being paid a fair wage? Wasn't that why the likes of Richie Benaud supported it?

    Yes it was and I highlighted that difference. It did bring some really beneficial changes to the game. But there was a hell of a furore at first and indeed whilst it ran.
    One of the best things the Packer revolution did was make it possible to actually see what was happening when watching cricket on TV. Before Packer, they usually had about 3 or 4 cameras at an international match, and they were zoomed out so far you could hardly see the ball. It took about 10 or 15 years for British TV coverage of cricket to catch up with Australian, something you can instantly see if you compare watching a match from around 1985 in Australia with one in England.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,022
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Off topic, anyone know what the laws/rules for drones are?

    I heard an angry buzzing sound in my garden today - like a soprano motorcycle revving, or a very angry bee or wasp about 3ft away - and it didn't seem to move, go anywhere or stop. It took me about a minute to click: I looked up 100ft to see a tiny irritating drone f**king about over people's gardens. It then slowly went over mine, and then disappeared.

    My first reaction was to flip it the bird - although I didn't, in case it was a neighbour or their kid - and I also felt an overwhelmingly desire to bring it down/shoot it down. I can only imagine this sort of intrusion will become an ever-increasing problem.

    Any tips?

    Don't shoot it down. I think you could be in big trouble if you did.
    Why?
    Because you'd be guilty of shooting down an aircraft, even if you think it was justified.
    I don't think it qualifies as such in aviation law. It might constitute damage to property.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,268

    Off topic, anyone know what the laws/rules for drones are?

    I heard an angry buzzing sound in my garden today - like a soprano motorcycle revving, or a very angry bee or wasp about 3ft away - and it didn't seem to move, go anywhere or stop. It took me about a minute to click: I looked up 100ft to see a tiny irritating drone f**king about over people's gardens. It then slowly went over mine, and then disappeared.

    My first reaction was to flip it the bird - although I didn't, in case it was a neighbour or their kid - and I also felt an overwhelmingly desire to bring it down/shoot it down. I can only imagine this sort of intrusion will become an ever-increasing problem.

    Any tips?

    Sparrowhawks, Ma'am
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Foxy said:

    Jonathan said:

    Train a falcon.

    Barrage balloons with a net.
    Ring up Boris, he’ll sort out the owner.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,022

    tlg86 said:

    Off topic, anyone know what the laws/rules for drones are?

    I heard an angry buzzing sound in my garden today - like a soprano motorcycle revving, or a very angry bee or wasp about 3ft away - and it didn't seem to move, go anywhere or stop. It took me about a minute to click: I looked up 100ft to see a tiny irritating drone f**king about over people's gardens. It then slowly went over mine, and then disappeared.

    My first reaction was to flip it the bird - although I didn't, in case it was a neighbour or their kid - and I also felt an overwhelmingly desire to bring it down/shoot it down. I can only imagine this sort of intrusion will become an ever-increasing problem.

    Any tips?

    Don't shoot it down. I think you could be in big trouble if you did.
    Why?
    They could bring a claim against you for damage to their property.
    Lol. I could bring a claim against them for invasion of *my* property.

    As far as I'm concerned, you invade my property and violate my privacy I'm entitled to use reasonable force to remove the intrusion - no-one dies or get hurt. They learn a lesson.
    I don't disagree with you, but the possibility is still there. These drones can sometimes be worth quite a bit of money!
    I'll put this down to a kid flying a cheap kit of Amazon. Once.

    However, I'm still going to report misuse of a UAV to Hampshire constabulary.

    I want them to have a picture of this sort of behaviour, and I want better enforcement/tracking of them. It's yanked my chain.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,286
    "The mystery of the Gatwick drone

    A drone sighting caused the airport to close for two days in 2018, but despite a lengthy police investigation, no culprit was ever found. So what exactly did people see in the Sussex sky?

    by Samira Shackle"

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/dec/01/the-mystery-of-the-gatwick-drone
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,587
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    tlg86 said:

    Man Utd will be annoyed that this has come out whilst they were playing. Neville laying into his own club is not good.

    LOL: He's now saying strip them of their titles. I support that.

    Just heard this nonsense reportedly backed with 6 billion funding

    This is wrong on so many levels
    It is £5bn borrowed against future cashflow from the Superleague

    But what if it flops? Will people really want to watch Juventus v Arsenal five times a year, year in year out, with no threat of relegation? None of the buzz of fast English football with home and away fans in loud voice?

    Half the games will be meaningless. It is possible Barca or Real will win it every year

    Total turn off. Then the money falls away as the TV rights dwindle

    Could easily happen. Even on a basic financial level it seems insanely risky and foolish. So maybe it is just a bluff to bully UEFA


    To be honest it would be a disaster for everyone who loves football and I am not paying any more for football tv
    On 6th March 1971 aged 9, I saw West Brom beat Manchester United 4-3 at the Hawthorns. Stepney in goal, Best, Charlton and Kidd up front for United. Kidd, Best and John Aston goals for United and a 3-3 draw nailed on. The deadlock was broken by a late winner for the Baggies by John Wile, his first goal for the club.

    Memories to cherish, but not for future generations. TV money was not the Holy Grail it was the poison chalice.
    The last Vicar of Cannock, Peter Hart, was a professional footballer for I think Walsall in the 1980s. He retired just before the big money salaries came in - I think his last year’s pay was about £25,000 (which was a very good salary for the 1980s, of course, but not comparable to what a even a Division Two player would get now).

    He once told me he was very glad he retired when he did, because he thought the money had done a lot more harm than good.
    WBA legend Jeff Astle on retirement needed to set up as a commercial window cleaner to make a living. His tag line "Jeff Astle never misses corners".

    I believe Jimmy Hill gaining a reasonable wage for footballers was a positive, but the monopoly money, average players now earn is a joke, and even then it can all go wrong, Lee Henrie, being a salutory lesson.

    My biggest beef isn't the players but rogues who make fortunes as agents (now they really do know where to find the magic money tree) and the money grabbing owners, PL, FA and Sky/BT. A plague on their houses!
  • Cocky_cockneyCocky_cockney Posts: 760
    edited April 2021
    Andy_JS said:

    tlg86 said:

    Wasn't World Series Cricket more about the cricketers being paid a fair wage? Wasn't that why the likes of Richie Benaud supported it?

    Yes it was and I highlighted that difference. It did bring some really beneficial changes to the game. But there was a hell of a furore at first and indeed whilst it ran.
    One of the best things the Packer revolution did was make it possible to actually see what was happening when watching cricket on TV. Before Packer, they usually had about 3 or 4 cameras at an international match, and they were zoomed out so far you could hardly see the ball. It took about 10 or 15 years for British TV coverage of cricket to catch up with Australian, something you can instantly see if you compare watching a match from around 1985 in Australia with one in England.
    Haha very true!

    It's quite shocking in a way that none of those two years of World Series count towards test or first class statistics. That was an ICC ruling in 1977 which still stands: none of the matches count towards first class averages. Which is a bit ridiculous really.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,268
    No Superleague announcement, yet


    A bluff, or they bottled it, having seen the response?

    Or they can't type very quickly?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,286
    "Piers Morgan
    @piersmorgan

    If you proceed with this arrogant elitist shameful Super League nonsense @Arsenal - then you can stick my 4 season tickets up your Arsenal."

    https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1383866390851948558
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,226
    Leon said:

    No Superleague announcement, yet


    A bluff, or they bottled it, having seen the response?

    Or they can't type very quickly?

    Gary Neville must have used the phrase "bottle merchant" 5 times earlier to describe the owners of the big clubs. I didn't know what he meant so googled it. Lol. How he got away with saying that on telly I don't know.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    edited April 2021
    Leon said:

    TEN MINUTES UNTIL THE ALLEGED SUPERLEAGUE ANNOUNCEMENT

    This is actually quite exciting

    It's a ridiculous bluff and they should have that bluff called. They cannot get away from there being no benefit to anyone, not even them I'd say, for a super league created by them .

    tlg86 said:

    Off topic, anyone know what the laws/rules for drones are?

    I heard an angry buzzing sound in my garden today - like a soprano motorcycle revving, or a very angry bee or wasp about 3ft away - and it didn't seem to move, go anywhere or stop. It took me about a minute to click: I looked up 100ft to see a tiny irritating drone f**king about over people's gardens. It then slowly went over mine, and then disappeared.

    My first reaction was to flip it the bird - although I didn't, in case it was a neighbour or their kid - and I also felt an overwhelmingly desire to bring it down/shoot it down. I can only imagine this sort of intrusion will become an ever-increasing problem.

    Any tips?

    Don't shoot it down. I think you could be in big trouble if you did.
    Why?
    They could bring a claim against you for damage to their property.
    Lol. I could bring a claim against them for invasion of *my* property.

    As far as I'm concerned, you invade my property and violate my privacy I'm entitled to use reasonable force to remove the intrusion - no-one dies or get hurt. They learn a lesson.
    What matters is what the law considers reasonable force/action. Which is a thorny issue as politicians and media misrepresent how that is established every time a case comes up (with people, admittedly). So I don't think bluster about our property our right holds up in the slightest. Bloviating about our castles isn't compelling.
    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    No Superleague announcement, yet


    A bluff, or they bottled it, having seen the response?

    Or they can't type very quickly?

    Gary Neville must have used the phrase "bottle merchant" 5 times earlier to describe the owners of the big clubs. I didn't know what he meant so googled it. Lol. How he got away with saying that on telly I don't know.
    That you had to google it is the answer why. There's a grand tradition of very rude words or sayings slipping past censors who don't know what they mean.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    Andy_JS said:

    "Piers Morgan
    @piersmorgan

    If you proceed with this arrogant elitist shameful Super League nonsense @Arsenal - then you can stick my 4 season tickets up your Arsenal."

    https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1383866390851948558

    All of a sudden lots of Arsenal fans are for this plan.....
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,268
    edited April 2021
    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    No Superleague announcement, yet


    A bluff, or they bottled it, having seen the response?

    Or they can't type very quickly?

    Gary Neville must have used the phrase "bottle merchant" 5 times earlier to describe the owners of the big clubs. I didn't know what he meant so googled it. Lol. How he got away with saying that on telly I don't know.
    lol. I never knew it had that meaning!

    However I am pretty sure he meant it as "they lack the bottle to follow through"?

    Having said that, I have no idea where "bottle" comes from either, as a term for determination and moral fibre

    And, it seems, lexicographers are just as mystified


    https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,,-200505,00.htm
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,165

    Andy_JS said:

    "Piers Morgan
    @piersmorgan

    If you proceed with this arrogant elitist shameful Super League nonsense @Arsenal - then you can stick my 4 season tickets up your Arsenal."

    https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1383866390851948558

    All of a sudden lots of Arsenal fans are for this plan.....
    Examples?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    tlg86 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Piers Morgan
    @piersmorgan

    If you proceed with this arrogant elitist shameful Super League nonsense @Arsenal - then you can stick my 4 season tickets up your Arsenal."

    https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1383866390851948558

    All of a sudden lots of Arsenal fans are for this plan.....
    Examples?
    It was a joke.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,587
    Andy_JS said:

    "Piers Morgan
    @piersmorgan

    If you proceed with this arrogant elitist shameful Super League nonsense @Arsenal - then you can stick my 4 season tickets up your Arsenal."

    https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1383866390851948558

    Not as clever as Morgan would have you believe. I first saw the "up your Arsenal" banner at the 1978 Ipswich v Arsenal cup final.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,022
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    TEN MINUTES UNTIL THE ALLEGED SUPERLEAGUE ANNOUNCEMENT

    This is actually quite exciting

    It's a ridiculous bluff and they should have that bluff called. They cannot get away from there being no benefit to anyone, not even them I'd say, for a super league created by them .

    tlg86 said:

    Off topic, anyone know what the laws/rules for drones are?

    I heard an angry buzzing sound in my garden today - like a soprano motorcycle revving, or a very angry bee or wasp about 3ft away - and it didn't seem to move, go anywhere or stop. It took me about a minute to click: I looked up 100ft to see a tiny irritating drone f**king about over people's gardens. It then slowly went over mine, and then disappeared.

    My first reaction was to flip it the bird - although I didn't, in case it was a neighbour or their kid - and I also felt an overwhelmingly desire to bring it down/shoot it down. I can only imagine this sort of intrusion will become an ever-increasing problem.

    Any tips?

    Don't shoot it down. I think you could be in big trouble if you did.
    Why?
    They could bring a claim against you for damage to their property.
    Lol. I could bring a claim against them for invasion of *my* property.

    As far as I'm concerned, you invade my property and violate my privacy I'm entitled to use reasonable force to remove the intrusion - no-one dies or get hurt. They learn a lesson.
    What matters is what the law considers reasonable force/action. Which is a thorny issue as politicians and media misrepresent how that is established every time a case comes up (with people, admittedly). So I don't think bluster about our property our right holds up in the slightest. Bloviating about our castles isn't compelling.
    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    No Superleague announcement, yet


    A bluff, or they bottled it, having seen the response?

    Or they can't type very quickly?

    Gary Neville must have used the phrase "bottle merchant" 5 times earlier to describe the owners of the big clubs. I didn't know what he meant so googled it. Lol. How he got away with saying that on telly I don't know.
    That you had to google it is the answer why. There's a grand tradition of very rude words or sayings slipping past censors who don't know what they mean.
    By the same token, "bloviating" about the property rights of a drone owner knowingly breaking the law and violating another's private property without permission wouldn't be compelling either.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,226
    Leon said:

    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    No Superleague announcement, yet


    A bluff, or they bottled it, having seen the response?

    Or they can't type very quickly?

    Gary Neville must have used the phrase "bottle merchant" 5 times earlier to describe the owners of the big clubs. I didn't know what he meant so googled it. Lol. How he got away with saying that on telly I don't know.
    lol. I never knew it had that meaning!

    However I am pretty sure he meant it as "they lack the bottle to follow through"?

    Having said that, I have no idea where "bottle" comes from either, as a term for determination and moral fibre

    And, it seems, lexicographers are just as mystified


    https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,,-200505,00.htm
    "Losing your bottle" is to "Lose your bottle and glass".
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 14,772
    kinabalu said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Not entirely off topic - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/matthew-syed-even-chimps-grasp-guilt-shameless-elites-need-to-follow-their-example-cxmjw5t7j

    "It is also why — turning to the primate known as Homo sapiens — an absence of shame is a leading indicator of a culture heading for disaster, a point noted by, among others, the historian AJP Taylor.

    And this brings me to what I think is a fundamental misinterpretation of today’s lobbying scandals. Many have analysed these through a legalistic prism. Did anyone break the rules? Can we bring formal proceedings? This misses a deeper point. This isn’t about the nuances of law but the brazenness that has infiltrated elites. A critical mass of politicians have become, well, shameless."

    And - "We also have to repair the moral fracture that extends across the West. Integrity was once a precious strength of our societies in relation to other parts of the world held back by nepotism and kleptocracy."

    This.

    Totally.

    I've just watched ep 4 of Line of Duty and Hastings asked his boss a deadly serious existential question.

    In a very grave and angry but dignified manner -

    "What's happened to us? When did we cease to give a monkey's about honesty and integrity?"

    At which point I spoke loudly to the telly, obliterating whatever the dissembling reply was -

    "When we made Boris Johnson PM in a landslide."

    I mean it.
    Well, we should have made Swinson Prime Minister then. Except something to do with a referendum. GE2019 truly was a disaster in so many ways. I'm glad we went and hid from it in Northumberland for a long weekend.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,625
    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Pagan2 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Off topic, anyone know what the laws/rules for drones are?

    I heard an angry buzzing sound in my garden today - like a soprano motorcycle revving, or a very angry bee or wasp about 3ft away - and it didn't seem to move, go anywhere or stop. It took me about a minute to click: I looked up 100ft to see a tiny irritating drone f**king about over people's gardens. It then slowly went over mine, and then disappeared.

    My first reaction was to flip it the bird - although I didn't, in case it was a neighbour or their kid - and I also felt an overwhelmingly desire to bring it down/shoot it down. I can only imagine this sort of intrusion will become an ever-increasing problem.

    Any tips?

    Don't shoot it down. I think you could be in big trouble if you did.
    Drones by law aren't allowed within so many metres of a domestic dwelling from memory it is about 50, unless you have a huge garden I think the drone was violating the law
    https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/uk-drone-laws-where-can-and-cant-you-fly-your-drone
    I have an average sized garden for a detached house, and it was definitely closer than that. Although it was small I could see it clearly. I'd say 100ft. Possibly lower - even 60ft or 40ft.

    It was lingering over each property for a good few seconds, so I think it was peeking.

    Therefore, it was breaking the law.
    Air gun.
    Illegal.

    Now, if you were flying your own, rather larger drone over your own property in compliance with the law, and some idiot smashed into it....

    While flying over your property....
    Jamming signal?
    Probably illegal.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603
    edited April 2021
    I haven't seen something as unpopular as this, ever. This must have been what the poll tax was like, universally unpopular.
  • Ahem, cockney innit? Bottle and glass = arse.

    Losing control of your bowels, losing courage.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,268
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    TEN MINUTES UNTIL THE ALLEGED SUPERLEAGUE ANNOUNCEMENT

    This is actually quite exciting

    It's a ridiculous bluff and they should have that bluff called. They cannot get away from there being no benefit to anyone, not even them I'd say, for a super league created by them .

    tlg86 said:

    Off topic, anyone know what the laws/rules for drones are?

    I heard an angry buzzing sound in my garden today - like a soprano motorcycle revving, or a very angry bee or wasp about 3ft away - and it didn't seem to move, go anywhere or stop. It took me about a minute to click: I looked up 100ft to see a tiny irritating drone f**king about over people's gardens. It then slowly went over mine, and then disappeared.

    My first reaction was to flip it the bird - although I didn't, in case it was a neighbour or their kid - and I also felt an overwhelmingly desire to bring it down/shoot it down. I can only imagine this sort of intrusion will become an ever-increasing problem.

    Any tips?

    Don't shoot it down. I think you could be in big trouble if you did.
    Why?
    They could bring a claim against you for damage to their property.
    Lol. I could bring a claim against them for invasion of *my* property.

    As far as I'm concerned, you invade my property and violate my privacy I'm entitled to use reasonable force to remove the intrusion - no-one dies or get hurt. They learn a lesson.
    What matters is what the law considers reasonable force/action. Which is a thorny issue as politicians and media misrepresent how that is established every time a case comes up (with people, admittedly). So I don't think bluster about our property our right holds up in the slightest. Bloviating about our castles isn't compelling.
    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    No Superleague announcement, yet


    A bluff, or they bottled it, having seen the response?

    Or they can't type very quickly?

    Gary Neville must have used the phrase "bottle merchant" 5 times earlier to describe the owners of the big clubs. I didn't know what he meant so googled it. Lol. How he got away with saying that on telly I don't know.
    That you had to google it is the answer why. There's a grand tradition of very rude words or sayings slipping past censors who don't know what they mean.
    Even better is the poet Robert Browning who wrote, in his poem Pippa Passes:


    But at night, brother howlet, over the woods,
    Toll the world to thy chantry;
    Sing to the bats' sleek sisterhoods
    Full complines with gallantry:
    Then, owls and bats,
    Cowls and TWATS,
    Monks and nuns, in a cloister's moods,
    Adjourn to the oak-stump pantry![4]

    — from Act IV: Night, Scene: Pippa's chamber again

    (my capitals)


    He was unaware of the true meaning of the word "twat" and thought it referred to an item of nunnish clothing


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pippa_Passes
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 14,772

    Off topic, anyone know what the laws/rules for drones are?

    I heard an angry buzzing sound in my garden today - like a soprano motorcycle revving, or a very angry bee or wasp about 3ft away - and it didn't seem to move, go anywhere or stop. It took me about a minute to click: I looked up 100ft to see a tiny irritating drone f**king about over people's gardens. It then slowly went over mine, and then disappeared.

    My first reaction was to flip it the bird - although I didn't, in case it was a neighbour or their kid - and I also felt an overwhelmingly desire to bring it down/shoot it down. I can only imagine this sort of intrusion will become an ever-increasing problem.

    Any tips?

    Pretty sure it's illegal to fly one within a certain distance of a house. 100ft or so? Problem is, how do you find out who is flying it?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950

    Ahem, cockney innit? Bottle and glass = arse.

    Losing control of your bowels, losing courage.

    Talking of cockney, (belated) welcome.
  • MaxPB said:

    I haven't seen something as unpopular as this, ever. This must have been what the poll tax was like, universally unpopular.

    This is even worse believe it or not
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,022

    Off topic, anyone know what the laws/rules for drones are?

    I heard an angry buzzing sound in my garden today - like a soprano motorcycle revving, or a very angry bee or wasp about 3ft away - and it didn't seem to move, go anywhere or stop. It took me about a minute to click: I looked up 100ft to see a tiny irritating drone f**king about over people's gardens. It then slowly went over mine, and then disappeared.

    My first reaction was to flip it the bird - although I didn't, in case it was a neighbour or their kid - and I also felt an overwhelmingly desire to bring it down/shoot it down. I can only imagine this sort of intrusion will become an ever-increasing problem.

    Any tips?

    Pretty sure it's illegal to fly one within a certain distance of a house. 100ft or so? Problem is, how do you find out who is flying it?
    Thanks. Dunno. I've texted my neighbour. I will wait to see if they spotted it first. Then, I'll check my local facebook groups.

    If I get no joy from that, gentle report to the cops.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950
    MaxPB said:

    I haven't seen something as unpopular as this, ever. This must have been what the poll tax was like, universally unpopular.

    Perhaps the clubs, having spent the past year without them, have realised that fans are or need not be the biggest revenue contributors.

    Stick the it on ppv or team up with a steaming service, fund it via an oil- rich searcher of good PR and Bob's your uncle.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,022
    Off topic, Juncker still reckons he could have swung the EU referendum:

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/jean-claude-juncker-could-swung-brexit-vote-remain-talk-british-people-961809?ito=twitter_share_article-top

    He's right, of course - to a Leave landslide.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,072
    https://twitter.com/sistoney67/status/1383881462206799877

    ECA held an emergency meeting this evening. None of the 12 clubs in the ESL proposals responded to invitations to attend. Bayern Munich and PSG did attend. Meeting was chaired by Edwin van der Sar. Restated that agreements reached on Friday re CL reform should were still valid.

    Apparently the Juventus chairman is the chairman of the ECA...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,739

    Probably illegal.

    How so?

    if the drone is flying legally it is receiving a radio signal. How can it be illegal for you to transmit a signal that just happens to be on exactly the same frequency?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,084
    Two shots!
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950

    Off topic, anyone know what the laws/rules for drones are?

    I heard an angry buzzing sound in my garden today - like a soprano motorcycle revving, or a very angry bee or wasp about 3ft away - and it didn't seem to move, go anywhere or stop. It took me about a minute to click: I looked up 100ft to see a tiny irritating drone f**king about over people's gardens. It then slowly went over mine, and then disappeared.

    My first reaction was to flip it the bird - although I didn't, in case it was a neighbour or their kid - and I also felt an overwhelmingly desire to bring it down/shoot it down. I can only imagine this sort of intrusion will become an ever-increasing problem.

    Any tips?

    Pretty sure it's illegal to fly one within a certain distance of a house. 100ft or so? Problem is, how do you find out who is flying it?
    Thanks. Dunno. I've texted my neighbour. I will wait to see if they spotted it first. Then, I'll check my local facebook groups.

    If I get no joy from that, gentle report to the cops.
    Good luck but there is no such thing as a gentle report to the police. Once you involve them then they are involved.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,226
    TOPPING said:

    MaxPB said:

    I haven't seen something as unpopular as this, ever. This must have been what the poll tax was like, universally unpopular.

    Perhaps the clubs, having spent the past year without them, have realised that fans are or need not be the biggest revenue contributors.

    Stick the it on ppv or team up with a steaming service, fund it via an oil- rich searcher of good PR and Bob's your uncle.
    You don't need a superleague to ditch Sky and the multitude of network middlemen around the world. You have an EPL app (or Champions League app) that carries every game wherever you are in the world. Just the same as for the American sports. It would be trivial to earn more money than they do now and it would send Sky bust as well which would be amusing.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 14,772

    Off topic, anyone know what the laws/rules for drones are?

    I heard an angry buzzing sound in my garden today - like a soprano motorcycle revving, or a very angry bee or wasp about 3ft away - and it didn't seem to move, go anywhere or stop. It took me about a minute to click: I looked up 100ft to see a tiny irritating drone f**king about over people's gardens. It then slowly went over mine, and then disappeared.

    My first reaction was to flip it the bird - although I didn't, in case it was a neighbour or their kid - and I also felt an overwhelmingly desire to bring it down/shoot it down. I can only imagine this sort of intrusion will become an ever-increasing problem.

    Any tips?

    Pretty sure it's illegal to fly one within a certain distance of a house. 100ft or so? Problem is, how do you find out who is flying it?
    Looks like the law changed at the start of the year. I think the new rules mean you can fly a drone wherever you like, as long as it's under a certain weight limit. How are people supposed to know whether they're looking at a drone over a certain weight?

    https://rawview.co.uk/blog/drone-laws-uk-drone-laws-and-regulations-in-2019/
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,072

    Off topic, anyone know what the laws/rules for drones are?

    I heard an angry buzzing sound in my garden today - like a soprano motorcycle revving, or a very angry bee or wasp about 3ft away - and it didn't seem to move, go anywhere or stop. It took me about a minute to click: I looked up 100ft to see a tiny irritating drone f**king about over people's gardens. It then slowly went over mine, and then disappeared.

    My first reaction was to flip it the bird - although I didn't, in case it was a neighbour or their kid - and I also felt an overwhelmingly desire to bring it down/shoot it down. I can only imagine this sort of intrusion will become an ever-increasing problem.

    Any tips?

    Pretty sure it's illegal to fly one within a certain distance of a house. 100ft or so? Problem is, how do you find out who is flying it?
    Looks like the law changed at the start of the year. I think the new rules mean you can fly a drone wherever you like, as long as it's under a certain weight limit. How are people supposed to know whether they're looking at a drone over a certain weight?

    https://rawview.co.uk/blog/drone-laws-uk-drone-laws-and-regulations-in-2019/
    Shoot it down, weigh it, then quickly dispose of the evidence.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950
    moonshine said:

    TOPPING said:

    MaxPB said:

    I haven't seen something as unpopular as this, ever. This must have been what the poll tax was like, universally unpopular.

    Perhaps the clubs, having spent the past year without them, have realised that fans are or need not be the biggest revenue contributors.

    Stick the it on ppv or team up with a steaming service, fund it via an oil- rich searcher of good PR and Bob's your uncle.
    You don't need a superleague to ditch Sky and the multitude of network middlemen around the world. You have an EPL app (or Champions League app) that carries every game wherever you are in the world. Just the same as for the American sports. It would be trivial to earn more money than they do now and it would send Sky bust as well which would be amusing.
    Might it not entice the not as committeds? Watching Spurs or Man Utd play Real Madrid or Barca every other weekend might tempt many footie casuals (not those type of casuals)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,022
    TOPPING said:

    Off topic, anyone know what the laws/rules for drones are?

    I heard an angry buzzing sound in my garden today - like a soprano motorcycle revving, or a very angry bee or wasp about 3ft away - and it didn't seem to move, go anywhere or stop. It took me about a minute to click: I looked up 100ft to see a tiny irritating drone f**king about over people's gardens. It then slowly went over mine, and then disappeared.

    My first reaction was to flip it the bird - although I didn't, in case it was a neighbour or their kid - and I also felt an overwhelmingly desire to bring it down/shoot it down. I can only imagine this sort of intrusion will become an ever-increasing problem.

    Any tips?

    Pretty sure it's illegal to fly one within a certain distance of a house. 100ft or so? Problem is, how do you find out who is flying it?
    Thanks. Dunno. I've texted my neighbour. I will wait to see if they spotted it first. Then, I'll check my local facebook groups.

    If I get no joy from that, gentle report to the cops.
    Good luck but there is no such thing as a gentle report to the police. Once you involve them then they are involved.
    Thanks, yes - hence my initial actions first.

    I'll stop talking about this now as, although it's been the main focus of my evening, it's boring for everyone else.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603
    TOPPING said:

    MaxPB said:

    I haven't seen something as unpopular as this, ever. This must have been what the poll tax was like, universally unpopular.

    Perhaps the clubs, having spent the past year without them, have realised that fans are or need not be the biggest revenue contributors.

    Stick the it on ppv or team up with a steaming service, fund it via an oil- rich searcher of good PR and Bob's your uncle.
    That would be the same clubs who are all facing financial ruin because they've lost matchday revenues. Even the financial powerhouse clubs like Spurs, Man U and Arsenal have basically said the business model becomes untenable without matchday revenues.

    My dad and I have both agreed that we'll give up our season tickets at Spurs if they join this idiot league and we'll probably pick a small local club to go to matches.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,268
    edited April 2021
    MaxPB said:

    I haven't seen something as unpopular as this, ever. This must have been what the poll tax was like, universally unpopular.

    This is far worse

    The poll tax was certainly unpopular, but the dislike built over time as people realised how it worked

    This is in a different, ahem, league. People react like they have been scalded. Instant distaste, if not disgust. Reflexive. From almost everyone

    The timing alone is terrible. I am certain they did not expect this outraged hostility. Some must be panicking
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,625
    Scott_xP said:

    Probably illegal.

    How so?

    if the drone is flying legally it is receiving a radio signal. How can it be illegal for you to transmit a signal that just happens to be on exactly the same frequency?
    The Air Navigation Order makes it illegal to interfere with a flying aircraft in the UK, which drones are currently considered to be.

    Illegal to jam commercial RF bands (and GPS) under the Wireless Telegraph Act.

    Claiming "I just happened to be on the same frequency" might well just upset the magistrates - it's been tried before.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,072

    Scott_xP said:

    Probably illegal.

    How so?

    if the drone is flying legally it is receiving a radio signal. How can it be illegal for you to transmit a signal that just happens to be on exactly the same frequency?
    The Air Navigation Order makes it illegal to interfere with a flying aircraft in the UK, which drones are currently considered to be.

    Illegal to jam commercial RF bands (and GPS) under the Wireless Telegraph Act.

    Claiming "I just happened to be on the same frequency" might well just upset the magistrates - it's been tried before.
    I swear you're an expert in pretty much everything.

    Impressive.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,774
    Leon said:

    tlg86 said:

    Man Utd will be annoyed that this has come out whilst they were playing. Neville laying into his own club is not good.

    LOL: He's now saying strip them of their titles. I support that.

    Just heard this nonsense reportedly backed with 6 billion funding

    This is wrong on so many levels
    It is £5bn borrowed against future cashflow from the Superleague

    But what if it flops? Will people really want to watch Juventus v Arsenal five times a year, year in year out, with no threat of relegation? None of the buzz of fast English football with home and away fans in loud voice?

    Half the games will be meaningless. It is possible Barca or Real will win it every year

    Total turn off. Then the money falls away as the TV rights dwindle

    Could easily happen. Even on a basic financial level it seems insanely risky and foolish. So maybe it is just a bluff to bully UEFA





    This is why the US leagues all end with a knock out playoff type format - it makes the league games marginally more meaningful as climbing a spot makes the playoffs that much easier.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    I haven't seen something as unpopular as this, ever. This must have been what the poll tax was like, universally unpopular.

    This is far worse

    The poll tax was certainly unpopular, but the dislike built over time as people realised how it worked

    This is in a different, ahem, league. People react like they have been scalded. Instant distaste, if not disgust. Reflexive. From almost everyone

    The timing alone is terrible. I am certain they did not expect this outraged hostility. Some must be panicking
    I’ve haven’t seen this degree of hostility and outrage since the last Tom Knox novel was published.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950
    MaxPB said:

    TOPPING said:

    MaxPB said:

    I haven't seen something as unpopular as this, ever. This must have been what the poll tax was like, universally unpopular.

    Perhaps the clubs, having spent the past year without them, have realised that fans are or need not be the biggest revenue contributors.

    Stick the it on ppv or team up with a steaming service, fund it via an oil- rich searcher of good PR and Bob's your uncle.
    That would be the same clubs who are all facing financial ruin because they've lost matchday revenues. Even the financial powerhouse clubs like Spurs, Man U and Arsenal have basically said the business model becomes untenable without matchday revenues.

    My dad and I have both agreed that we'll give up our season tickets at Spurs if they join this idiot league and we'll probably pick a small local club to go to matches.
    You wouldn't be interested in seeing Spurs v Real Madrid, etc?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,072
    TOPPING said:

    MaxPB said:

    TOPPING said:

    MaxPB said:

    I haven't seen something as unpopular as this, ever. This must have been what the poll tax was like, universally unpopular.

    Perhaps the clubs, having spent the past year without them, have realised that fans are or need not be the biggest revenue contributors.

    Stick the it on ppv or team up with a steaming service, fund it via an oil- rich searcher of good PR and Bob's your uncle.
    That would be the same clubs who are all facing financial ruin because they've lost matchday revenues. Even the financial powerhouse clubs like Spurs, Man U and Arsenal have basically said the business model becomes untenable without matchday revenues.

    My dad and I have both agreed that we'll give up our season tickets at Spurs if they join this idiot league and we'll probably pick a small local club to go to matches.
    You wouldn't be interested in seeing Spurs v Real Madrid, etc?
    Why would he want to watch that when he could watch Brucey Ball vs Newcastle?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,625

    Scott_xP said:

    Probably illegal.

    How so?

    if the drone is flying legally it is receiving a radio signal. How can it be illegal for you to transmit a signal that just happens to be on exactly the same frequency?
    The Air Navigation Order makes it illegal to interfere with a flying aircraft in the UK, which drones are currently considered to be.

    Illegal to jam commercial RF bands (and GPS) under the Wireless Telegraph Act.

    Claiming "I just happened to be on the same frequency" might well just upset the magistrates - it's been tried before.
    I swear you're an expert in pretty much everything.

    Impressive.
    No I'm not. I've got a head full of useless junk.

    This one I remembered from a friend who was into model aircraft.

    An angry-man-in-bicyle-clips type tried to kill off the local club - endless lawsuits, and then he tried cooking up a jammer.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,069
    Leon said:

    No Superleague announcement, yet


    A bluff, or they bottled it, having seen the response?

    Or they can't type very quickly?

    I think that what is going on is a red herring. UEFA meet tommorow to discuss the new CL and EL formats, which give golden tickets to the clubs in the "big six" on the basis that they were once competitive in Europe, as well as seedings that ensure they progress easily, thereby maintaining that coefficient.

    The new CL format is not popular with many clubs, and not just in England, and by proposing a closed European SuperLeague the clubs in favour of the new format are blackmailing UEFA: "If you don't go through with it, then we will take our ball home".

  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Leon said:

    This footy journalist thinks the players WILL be barred from international football

    https://twitter.com/LukeEdwardsTele/status/1383807654636654596?s=20


    Luke Edwards
    @LukeEdwardsTele
    ·
    34m
    Said it before and I’ll say it again, if Premier League big six want to join a closed shop European super league let them go and immediately ban them from playing in any domestic competitions. If league isn’t recognised by FA, UEFA FIFA, players can’t play international football

    He adds:


    Luke Edwards
    @LukeEdwardsTele
    ·
    24m

    This is exactly what they have been threatened with btw. With no other European football you’d get each team playing each other three or four times a season, maybe more with a knockout competition. Good luck with that. Doubt it will get to this stage though. Clubs will reverse

    If it is just a matter of playing for a recognised league you lend the players to a minor club like Leicester just before the World Cup
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,625
    MaxPB said:

    TOPPING said:

    MaxPB said:

    I haven't seen something as unpopular as this, ever. This must have been what the poll tax was like, universally unpopular.

    Perhaps the clubs, having spent the past year without them, have realised that fans are or need not be the biggest revenue contributors.

    Stick the it on ppv or team up with a steaming service, fund it via an oil- rich searcher of good PR and Bob's your uncle.
    That would be the same clubs who are all facing financial ruin because they've lost matchday revenues. Even the financial powerhouse clubs like Spurs, Man U and Arsenal have basically said the business model becomes untenable without matchday revenues.

    My dad and I have both agreed that we'll give up our season tickets at Spurs if they join this idiot league and we'll probably pick a small local club to go to matches.
    Small club sport (Rugby for me) is a revalation - wander in, relaxed atmosphere, fans of the actual game rather than a tribe....
  • TOPPING said:

    moonshine said:

    TOPPING said:

    MaxPB said:

    I haven't seen something as unpopular as this, ever. This must have been what the poll tax was like, universally unpopular.

    Perhaps the clubs, having spent the past year without them, have realised that fans are or need not be the biggest revenue contributors.

    Stick the it on ppv or team up with a steaming service, fund it via an oil- rich searcher of good PR and Bob's your uncle.
    You don't need a superleague to ditch Sky and the multitude of network middlemen around the world. You have an EPL app (or Champions League app) that carries every game wherever you are in the world. Just the same as for the American sports. It would be trivial to earn more money than they do now and it would send Sky bust as well which would be amusing.
    Might it not entice the not as committeds? Watching Spurs or Man Utd play Real Madrid or Barca every other weekend might tempt many footie casuals (not those type of casuals)
    I understand the proposition is for mid week games
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    edited April 2021
    Playing the big European clubs only excites because it happens rarely, as part of scheduled intranation competitions which even small clubs can break into. If your club was playing them regularly it would cease to matter as much, and excitement would dim.

    I find it hard to believe the top clubs cannot figure that out, given that is what happens in every country's national league - sure, you're more interested playing the bigger clubs, but it is not a major event as it happens twice a year, every year.

    So like a politician caught doing something they shouldn't, the clubs involved either have to plead to being very stupid, or very malicious.

    Foxy's theory seems sound. The new plans seem awful enough, and they are threatening to make it even more awful unless they get what they want.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,268
    TOPPING said:

    MaxPB said:

    TOPPING said:

    MaxPB said:

    I haven't seen something as unpopular as this, ever. This must have been what the poll tax was like, universally unpopular.

    Perhaps the clubs, having spent the past year without them, have realised that fans are or need not be the biggest revenue contributors.

    Stick the it on ppv or team up with a steaming service, fund it via an oil- rich searcher of good PR and Bob's your uncle.
    That would be the same clubs who are all facing financial ruin because they've lost matchday revenues. Even the financial powerhouse clubs like Spurs, Man U and Arsenal have basically said the business model becomes untenable without matchday revenues.

    My dad and I have both agreed that we'll give up our season tickets at Spurs if they join this idiot league and we'll probably pick a small local club to go to matches.
    You wouldn't be interested in seeing Spurs v Real Madrid, etc?
    Five times a year, every year? With most of the games meaningless because Spurs always lose and Real always win yet no one gets relegated? And no away fans kicking up a storm because few can afford to fly to Spain all the time?

    No one would watch this, after a while. It doesn't make sense even as basic commerce
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    TOPPING said:

    MaxPB said:

    TOPPING said:

    MaxPB said:

    I haven't seen something as unpopular as this, ever. This must have been what the poll tax was like, universally unpopular.

    Perhaps the clubs, having spent the past year without them, have realised that fans are or need not be the biggest revenue contributors.

    Stick the it on ppv or team up with a steaming service, fund it via an oil- rich searcher of good PR and Bob's your uncle.
    That would be the same clubs who are all facing financial ruin because they've lost matchday revenues. Even the financial powerhouse clubs like Spurs, Man U and Arsenal have basically said the business model becomes untenable without matchday revenues.

    My dad and I have both agreed that we'll give up our season tickets at Spurs if they join this idiot league and we'll probably pick a small local club to go to matches.
    You wouldn't be interested in seeing Spurs v Real Madrid, etc?
    Week in, week out? No
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Israel to allow vaccinated tourists in from next month: https://www.foxnews.com/travel/israel-welcoming-vaccinated-tourist-groups-may

    Rather than having red and green list countries, why not restrict travel to the fully vaccinated?
    Because that discriminated against people who may not have been offered a vaccine yet
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,226
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    No Superleague announcement, yet


    A bluff, or they bottled it, having seen the response?

    Or they can't type very quickly?

    I think that what is going on is a red herring. UEFA meet tommorow to discuss the new CL and EL formats, which give golden tickets to the clubs in the "big six" on the basis that they were once competitive in Europe, as well as seedings that ensure they progress easily, thereby maintaining that coefficient.

    The new CL format is not popular with many clubs, and not just in England, and by proposing a closed European SuperLeague the clubs in favour of the new format are blackmailing UEFA: "If you don't go through with it, then we will take our ball home".

    Call their bluff.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603
    TOPPING said:

    MaxPB said:

    TOPPING said:

    MaxPB said:

    I haven't seen something as unpopular as this, ever. This must have been what the poll tax was like, universally unpopular.

    Perhaps the clubs, having spent the past year without them, have realised that fans are or need not be the biggest revenue contributors.

    Stick the it on ppv or team up with a steaming service, fund it via an oil- rich searcher of good PR and Bob's your uncle.
    That would be the same clubs who are all facing financial ruin because they've lost matchday revenues. Even the financial powerhouse clubs like Spurs, Man U and Arsenal have basically said the business model becomes untenable without matchday revenues.

    My dad and I have both agreed that we'll give up our season tickets at Spurs if they join this idiot league and we'll probably pick a small local club to go to matches.
    You wouldn't be interested in seeing Spurs v Real Madrid, etc?
    Not if it wasn't earned with a top 4 spot. Part of what makes those matches special for me is that we've earned and they are a huge occasion for us and fans of other clubs. I'm not sure how fans of other clubs will react but from anecdotes in our Spurs fan WhatsApp group it's hugely, hugely negative.
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