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Ipsos MORI finds for the first time in a year optimists outnumber pessimists – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,167
edited April 2021 in General
imageIpsos MORI finds for the first time in a year optimists outnumber pessimists – politicalbetting.com

This might explain the current voting intention figures with decent Tory leads, whilst the EU’s vaccine strategy, replete with export bans, has also had an impact, whether this is fleeting or a permanent shift will be interesting.

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  • McDodgeMcDodge Posts: 3
    First?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,429
    I’ve encountered a new extreme form of Strasbourg Syndrome

    It’s a type of Remoaner that believes - seriously - that the Tory government has somehow confected or greatly exaggerated the Covid crisis, so as to mask the terrible damage of Brexit, preventing a national change of mind

    It’s a rare yet exceptional new variant. Worth a look just for its flamboyant severity
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,905
    Yes, Mr McD.
  • I think the Government are trash and even I am optimistic so yes I can completely understand these numbers
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,410

    I think the Government are trash and even I am optimistic so yes I can completely understand these numbers

    Me too.
    Why wouldn't anyone be optimistic given what we've all been through? Surprised it is so close tbh.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,585
    edited April 2021
    O/T

    "Bristol’s administration under Rees closely supervises its citizens. £90,000 is paid to social media company Impact Social to track online platforms,[xx] with citizens’ social media mentions of the mayor and City Council being sent to the Head of the Mayor’s Office and to the mayor’s policy advisers. Though the Impact Social contract says “information from the analysis will be available to anybody upon request,” it took an investigative reporter, Joanna Booth, to make these reports public. Conservative Leader Councillor Mark Weston commented: “This is the first time I have heard of the company ‘Impact Social’ and, given the apparent cost of their contract and supposed non-partisan status, I am surprised that these monthly reports are not more widely circulated or distributed.” Liberal Democrat leader councillor Gary Hopkins added: “We knew nothing about this and it is quite staggering in its gall. The cost of the Mayor’s Office is quite appalling in any case and this is disgraceful.”"

    http://bristolcommentary.uk/bristol-is-now-the-uks-leader-in-authoritarian-democracy
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080
    What's the scores on the doors for todays vaccination numbers?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080
    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    "Bristol’s administration under Rees closely supervises its citizens. £90,000 is paid to social media company Impact Social to track online platforms,[xx] with citizens’ social media mentions of the mayor and City Council being sent to the Head of the Mayor’s Office and to the mayor’s policy advisers. Though the Impact Social contract says “information from the analysis will be available to anybody upon request,” it took an investigative reporter, Joanna Booth, to make these reports public. Conservative Leader Councillor Mark Weston commented: “This is the first time I have heard of the company ‘Impact Social’ and, given the apparent cost of their contract and supposed non-partisan status, I am surprised that these monthly reports are not more widely circulated or distributed.” Liberal Democrat leader councillor Gary Hopkins added: “We knew nothing about this and it is quite staggering in its gall. The cost of the Mayor’s Office is quite appalling in any case and this is disgraceful.”"

    http://bristolcommentary.uk/bristol-is-now-the-uks-leader-in-authoritarian-democracy

    Nice little earner for somebody to just run a simple python script.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,595
    Leon said:

    I’ve encountered a new extreme form of Strasbourg Syndrome

    It’s a type of Remoaner that believes - seriously - that the Tory government has somehow confected or greatly exaggerated the Covid crisis, so as to mask the terrible damage of Brexit, preventing a national change of mind

    It’s a rare yet exceptional new variant. Worth a look just for its flamboyant severity

    Very good of the EU to play along then, isn't it?

    Pillocks.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,656
    edited April 2021
    Well now

    A group of the world’s richest and most storied soccer clubs has agreed in principle on a plan to create a breakaway European club competition that would, if it comes to fruition, upend the structures, economics and relationships that have bound global soccer for nearly a century.

    After months of secret talks, the breakaway teams — which include Real Madrid and Barcelona in Spain, Manchester United and Liverpool in England, and Juventus and A.C. Milan in Italy — could make an announcement as early as Sunday, according to multiple people familiar with the plans.

    The timing of the announcement appears designed to overshadow Monday’s plan by European soccer’s governing body, UEFA, to ratify a newly designed Champions League, a competition which would be decimated by the departure of its biggest teams.

    At least 12 teams have either signed up as founding members or expressed interest in joining the breakaway group, including six prominent teams from England’s Premier League, three from Spain and three from Italy, according to the people with knowledge of the plans.

    The group has been trying to get other top teams, like Germany’s Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund, to commit, but to date those clubs — and others — have declined to turn their backs on the decades-old domestic structures and Continental competitions that have underpinned European soccer for generations.

    The French champion Paris Saint-Germain, for example, has been invited to join but has so far resisted the overtures. Its president, Nasser al-Khelaifi, sits on the UEFA board and also heads beIN Media Group, the Qatar-based television network that has paid millions of dollars to UEFA for the right to broadcast Champions League games.

    The teams committed to the super league plan are, for the moment, limited to almost a dozen clubs from Spain, Italy and England. A cohort of six teams from the Premier League — United, Liverpool, Manchester City, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham — represents the biggest grouping from a single country. Atlético Madrid is the other team from Spain that is said to have endorsed the project, while the Milan rivals Internazionale and A.C. Milan would join Juventus as Italy’s representatives.

    The New York Times contacted a number of clubs involved in the breakaway plans but all declined to comment or did not respond. A UEFA spokesman did not immediately return a request for comment.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/18/sports/soccer/super-league-united-liverpool-juventus-madrid.html

    https://news.sky.com/story/european-super-league-plans-set-to-be-announced-six-english-teams-involved-sky-news-understands-12279432
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,429

    Well now

    A group of the world’s richest and most storied soccer clubs has agreed in principle on a plan to create a breakaway European club competition that would, if it comes to fruition, upend the structures, economics and relationships that have bound global soccer for nearly a century.

    After months of secret talks, the breakaway teams — which include Real Madrid and Barcelona in Spain, Manchester United and Liverpool in England, and Juventus and A.C. Milan in Italy — could make an announcement as early as Sunday, according to multiple people familiar with the plans.

    The timing of the announcement appears designed to overshadow Monday’s plan by European soccer’s governing body, UEFA, to ratify a newly designed Champions League, a competition which would be decimated by the departure of its biggest teams.

    At least 12 teams have either signed up as founding members or expressed interest in joining the breakaway group, including six prominent teams from England’s Premier League, three from Spain and three from Italy, according to the people with knowledge of the plans.

    The group has been trying to get other top teams, like Germany’s Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund, to commit, but to date those clubs — and others — have declined to turn their backs on the decades-old domestic structures and Continental competitions that have underpinned European soccer for generations.

    The French champion Paris Saint-Germain, for example, has been invited to join but has so far resisted the overtures. Its president, Nasser al-Khelaifi, sits on the UEFA board and also heads beIN Media Group, the Qatar-based television network that has paid millions of dollars to UEFA for the right to broadcast Champions League games.

    The teams committed to the super league plan are, for the moment, limited to almost a dozen clubs from Spain, Italy and England. A cohort of six teams from the Premier League — United, Liverpool, Manchester City, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham — represents the biggest grouping from a single country. Atlético Madrid is the other team from Spain that is said to have endorsed the project, while the Milan rivals Internazionale and A.C. Milan would join Juventus as Italy’s representatives.

    The New York Times contacted a number of clubs involved in the breakaway plans but all declined to comment or did not respond. A UEFA spokesman did not immediately return a request for comment.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/18/sports/soccer/super-league-united-liverpool-juventus-madrid.html

    https://news.sky.com/story/european-super-league-plans-set-to-be-announced-six-english-teams-involved-sky-news-understands-12279432

    Well now

    A group of the world’s richest and most storied soccer clubs has agreed in principle on a plan to create a breakaway European club competition that would, if it comes to fruition, upend the structures, economics and relationships that have bound global soccer for nearly a century.

    After months of secret talks, the breakaway teams — which include Real Madrid and Barcelona in Spain, Manchester United and Liverpool in England, and Juventus and A.C. Milan in Italy — could make an announcement as early as Sunday, according to multiple people familiar with the plans.

    The timing of the announcement appears designed to overshadow Monday’s plan by European soccer’s governing body, UEFA, to ratify a newly designed Champions League, a competition which would be decimated by the departure of its biggest teams.

    At least 12 teams have either signed up as founding members or expressed interest in joining the breakaway group, including six prominent teams from England’s Premier League, three from Spain and three from Italy, according to the people with knowledge of the plans.

    The group has been trying to get other top teams, like Germany’s Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund, to commit, but to date those clubs — and others — have declined to turn their backs on the decades-old domestic structures and Continental competitions that have underpinned European soccer for generations.

    The French champion Paris Saint-Germain, for example, has been invited to join but has so far resisted the overtures. Its president, Nasser al-Khelaifi, sits on the UEFA board and also heads beIN Media Group, the Qatar-based television network that has paid millions of dollars to UEFA for the right to broadcast Champions League games.

    The teams committed to the super league plan are, for the moment, limited to almost a dozen clubs from Spain, Italy and England. A cohort of six teams from the Premier League — United, Liverpool, Manchester City, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham — represents the biggest grouping from a single country. Atlético Madrid is the other team from Spain that is said to have endorsed the project, while the Milan rivals Internazionale and A.C. Milan would join Juventus as Italy’s representatives.

    The New York Times contacted a number of clubs involved in the breakaway plans but all declined to comment or did not respond. A UEFA spokesman did not immediately return a request for comment.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/18/sports/soccer/super-league-united-liverpool-juventus-madrid.html

    https://news.sky.com/story/european-super-league-plans-set-to-be-announced-six-english-teams-involved-sky-news-understands-12279432

    The end of the English Premier League. A calamitous decision
  • So I'm fully expecting Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Citeh, and Tottenham Hotspur to be banned from next season's UEFA competitions.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Well I won't be renewing my Arsenal season ticket if this news is confirmed.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,429
    Leon said:

    Well now

    A group of the world’s richest and most storied soccer clubs has agreed in principle on a plan to create a breakaway European club competition that would, if it comes to fruition, upend the structures, economics and relationships that have bound global soccer for nearly a century.

    After months of secret talks, the breakaway teams — which include Real Madrid and Barcelona in Spain, Manchester United and Liverpool in England, and Juventus and A.C. Milan in Italy — could make an announcement as early as Sunday, according to multiple people familiar with the plans.

    The timing of the announcement appears designed to overshadow Monday’s plan by European soccer’s governing body, UEFA, to ratify a newly designed Champions League, a competition which would be decimated by the departure of its biggest teams.

    At least 12 teams have either signed up as founding members or expressed interest in joining the breakaway group, including six prominent teams from England’s Premier League, three from Spain and three from Italy, according to the people with knowledge of the plans.

    The group has been trying to get other top teams, like Germany’s Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund, to commit, but to date those clubs — and others — have declined to turn their backs on the decades-old domestic structures and Continental competitions that have underpinned European soccer for generations.

    The French champion Paris Saint-Germain, for example, has been invited to join but has so far resisted the overtures. Its president, Nasser al-Khelaifi, sits on the UEFA board and also heads beIN Media Group, the Qatar-based television network that has paid millions of dollars to UEFA for the right to broadcast Champions League games.

    The teams committed to the super league plan are, for the moment, limited to almost a dozen clubs from Spain, Italy and England. A cohort of six teams from the Premier League — United, Liverpool, Manchester City, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham — represents the biggest grouping from a single country. Atlético Madrid is the other team from Spain that is said to have endorsed the project, while the Milan rivals Internazionale and A.C. Milan would join Juventus as Italy’s representatives.

    The New York Times contacted a number of clubs involved in the breakaway plans but all declined to comment or did not respond. A UEFA spokesman did not immediately return a request for comment.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/18/sports/soccer/super-league-united-liverpool-juventus-madrid.html

    https://news.sky.com/story/european-super-league-plans-set-to-be-announced-six-english-teams-involved-sky-news-understands-12279432

    Well now

    A group of the world’s richest and most storied soccer clubs has agreed in principle on a plan to create a breakaway European club competition that would, if it comes to fruition, upend the structures, economics and relationships that have bound global soccer for nearly a century.

    After months of secret talks, the breakaway teams — which include Real Madrid and Barcelona in Spain, Manchester United and Liverpool in England, and Juventus and A.C. Milan in Italy — could make an announcement as early as Sunday, according to multiple people familiar with the plans.

    The timing of the announcement appears designed to overshadow Monday’s plan by European soccer’s governing body, UEFA, to ratify a newly designed Champions League, a competition which would be decimated by the departure of its biggest teams.

    At least 12 teams have either signed up as founding members or expressed interest in joining the breakaway group, including six prominent teams from England’s Premier League, three from Spain and three from Italy, according to the people with knowledge of the plans.

    The group has been trying to get other top teams, like Germany’s Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund, to commit, but to date those clubs — and others — have declined to turn their backs on the decades-old domestic structures and Continental competitions that have underpinned European soccer for generations.

    The French champion Paris Saint-Germain, for example, has been invited to join but has so far resisted the overtures. Its president, Nasser al-Khelaifi, sits on the UEFA board and also heads beIN Media Group, the Qatar-based television network that has paid millions of dollars to UEFA for the right to broadcast Champions League games.

    The teams committed to the super league plan are, for the moment, limited to almost a dozen clubs from Spain, Italy and England. A cohort of six teams from the Premier League — United, Liverpool, Manchester City, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham — represents the biggest grouping from a single country. Atlético Madrid is the other team from Spain that is said to have endorsed the project, while the Milan rivals Internazionale and A.C. Milan would join Juventus as Italy’s representatives.

    The New York Times contacted a number of clubs involved in the breakaway plans but all declined to comment or did not respond. A UEFA spokesman did not immediately return a request for comment.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/18/sports/soccer/super-league-united-liverpool-juventus-madrid.html

    https://news.sky.com/story/european-super-league-plans-set-to-be-announced-six-english-teams-involved-sky-news-understands-12279432

    The end of the English Premier League. A calamitous decision
    I predict this probably won’t happen, as a formal, seasonal league, replacing domestic leagues; it will get enormous pushback from fans, sponsors, excluded teams, domestic associations
  • glwglw Posts: 9,908
    Leon said:

    The end of the English Premier League. A calamitous decision

    There is a free hit for the first political party to denounce this, call for the clubs to be expelled from the Premier League, and players barred from competitions, call for all loans to be repayed or facilities seized, and to threaten other blood curdling things. Make a big deal about it, most supporters will be dead against this move.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    So I'm fully expecting Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Citeh, and Tottenham Hotspur to be banned from next season's UEFA competitions.

    Would the PL kick them out too?
  • tlg86 said:

    So I'm fully expecting Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Citeh, and Tottenham Hotspur to be banned from next season's UEFA competitions.

    Would the PL kick them out too?
    Potentially, I suspect the broadcasters would be asking for huge rebates, which the PL cannot afford.
  • If the Super League clubs do not back down then the dispute is likely to end up in courts given that Uefa and Fifa have promised to ban any clubs and players who take part in breakaway competitions from their tournaments such as the Euros and the World Cup.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/european-super-league-five-english-clubs-sign-up-to-breakaway-league-in-challenge-to-uefa-plans-xks8jdxtm
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,429

    tlg86 said:

    So I'm fully expecting Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Citeh, and Tottenham Hotspur to be banned from next season's UEFA competitions.

    Would the PL kick them out too?
    Potentially, I suspect the broadcasters would be asking for huge rebates, which the PL cannot afford.
    It’s not going to fly, I don’t think

    Fans will rebel
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    tlg86 said:

    So I'm fully expecting Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Citeh, and Tottenham Hotspur to be banned from next season's UEFA competitions.

    Would the PL kick them out too?
    Potentially, I suspect the broadcasters would be asking for huge rebates, which the PL cannot afford.
    I wonder what's in the contract? If there was a bribery scandal that resulted in the Big 6 being kicked out, then surely the broadcasters wouldn't have a case. This might be the same.
  • tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    So I'm fully expecting Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Citeh, and Tottenham Hotspur to be banned from next season's UEFA competitions.

    Would the PL kick them out too?
    Potentially, I suspect the broadcasters would be asking for huge rebates, which the PL cannot afford.
    I wonder what's in the contract? If there was a bribery scandal that resulted in the Big 6 being kicked out, then surely the broadcasters wouldn't have a case. This might be the same.
    There are rebate clauses for this sort of thing.

    I think bribery scandals trigger different levels of rebates,
  • The Premier League are expected to say NO to Super League plans, meaning the Big 6 clubs will likely have to breakaway completely.

    Thanks to a £4.6bn financing deal from JP Morgan, the Americanization of European Football is nearly complete...


    https://twitter.com/MailSport/status/1383799230364409864
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Leon said:

    tlg86 said:

    So I'm fully expecting Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Citeh, and Tottenham Hotspur to be banned from next season's UEFA competitions.

    Would the PL kick them out too?
    Potentially, I suspect the broadcasters would be asking for huge rebates, which the PL cannot afford.
    It’s not going to fly, I don’t think

    Fans will rebel
    I'd like to think so, but I unfortunately most fans of these clubs care more about their own teams than the game itself. I suspect those of us on here who support these teams are - like many things on PB - not representative.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,429

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    So I'm fully expecting Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Citeh, and Tottenham Hotspur to be banned from next season's UEFA competitions.

    Would the PL kick them out too?
    Potentially, I suspect the broadcasters would be asking for huge rebates, which the PL cannot afford.
    I wonder what's in the contract? If there was a bribery scandal that resulted in the Big 6 being kicked out, then surely the broadcasters wouldn't have a case. This might be the same.
    There are rebate clauses for this sort of thing.

    I think bribery scandals trigger different levels of rebates,
    It’s not clear whether this is a replacement for the domestic leagues or just a different form of the UCLeague?

    The first is explosive of course, the second nothing like as dramatic
  • tlg86 said:

    Leon said:

    tlg86 said:

    So I'm fully expecting Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Citeh, and Tottenham Hotspur to be banned from next season's UEFA competitions.

    Would the PL kick them out too?
    Potentially, I suspect the broadcasters would be asking for huge rebates, which the PL cannot afford.
    It’s not going to fly, I don’t think

    Fans will rebel
    I'd like to think so, but I unfortunately most fans of these clubs care more about their own teams than the game itself. I suspect those of us on here who support these teams are - like many things on PB - not representative.
    I'm not a fan of these proposals, ditto the UEFA proposals.

    The reason I can't get into American sports is most of them are closed shops.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,467
    https://twitter.com/skysports_bryan/status/1383798916387270664?s=20

    STATEMENT: Premier League on European Super League proposal 👇🏻 #SSN
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Leon said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    So I'm fully expecting Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Citeh, and Tottenham Hotspur to be banned from next season's UEFA competitions.

    Would the PL kick them out too?
    Potentially, I suspect the broadcasters would be asking for huge rebates, which the PL cannot afford.
    I wonder what's in the contract? If there was a bribery scandal that resulted in the Big 6 being kicked out, then surely the broadcasters wouldn't have a case. This might be the same.
    There are rebate clauses for this sort of thing.

    I think bribery scandals trigger different levels of rebates,
    It’s not clear whether this is a replacement for the domestic leagues or just a different form of the UCLeague?

    The first is explosive of course, the second nothing like as dramatic
    They obviously want to scrap the Champions League. The PL clubs certainly don't want to lose the PL money. But they shouldn't have a choice.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,429
    Ah. The times piece says it won’t replace the domestic leagues. So it might just work

    Still pretty “adventurous”
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    tlg86 said:

    Leon said:

    tlg86 said:

    So I'm fully expecting Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Citeh, and Tottenham Hotspur to be banned from next season's UEFA competitions.

    Would the PL kick them out too?
    Potentially, I suspect the broadcasters would be asking for huge rebates, which the PL cannot afford.
    It’s not going to fly, I don’t think

    Fans will rebel
    I'd like to think so, but I unfortunately most fans of these clubs care more about their own teams than the game itself. I suspect those of us on here who support these teams are - like many things on PB - not representative.
    I'm not a fan of these proposals, ditto the UEFA proposals.

    The reason I can't get into American sports is most of them are closed shops.
    The NFL is great - but that's developed in its own way and the draft system works well.

    Our system has developed in a different way and we don't need to change it.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Leon said:

    Ah. The times piece says it won’t replace the domestic leagues. So it might just work

    Still pretty “adventurous”

    Nope - I'll go and stand outside the Emirates and protest. The FA need to ban these teams.

    In fact, FIFA and UEFA might insist domestic associations ban these clubs and might ban the players from playing international football.
  • tlg86 said:

    Leon said:

    Ah. The times piece says it won’t replace the domestic leagues. So it might just work

    Still pretty “adventurous”

    Nope - I'll go and stand outside the Emirates and protest. The FA need to ban these teams.

    In fact, FIFA and UEFA might insist domestic associations ban these clubs and might ban the players from playing international football.
    *Cough* Restraint of trade *Cough*
  • glwglw Posts: 9,908
    Honestly if I was Boris Johnson a minute after these greedy bastards make their annoucement I'd tweet "Not on my watch." He might be powerless, but 90%+ of football fans would agree with the sentiment.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028
    So - can someone explain to me why this super league thing is so bad? I genuinely don’t understand it - does it replace the premier league? Or is it just a thing to piss uefa off
  • glw said:

    Honestly if I was Boris Johnson a minute after these greedy bastards make their annoucement I'd tweet "Not on my watch." He might be powerless, but 90%+ of football fans would agree with the sentiment.

    You sound like the football league in 1992.
  • So - can someone explain to me why this super league thing is so bad? I genuinely don’t understand it - does it replace the premier league? Or is it just a thing to piss uefa off

    It means merit doesn't qualify you for the top European competitions.

    It is now a closed shop.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    So - can someone explain to me why this super league thing is so bad? I genuinely don’t understand it - does it replace the premier league? Or is it just a thing to piss uefa off

    The big clubs want European football every season. They don't want the inconvenience of qualifying.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028
    Oh.. short lived?

    BREAKING NEWS:

    In a joint statement, UEFA, English FA, Italian FA, Spanish FA, Premier, Liga, Serie A announce that the 12 clubs involved in SuperLeague will be banned from domestic league if they will pursue their project
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,429

    tlg86 said:

    Leon said:

    Ah. The times piece says it won’t replace the domestic leagues. So it might just work

    Still pretty “adventurous”

    Nope - I'll go and stand outside the Emirates and protest. The FA need to ban these teams.

    In fact, FIFA and UEFA might insist domestic associations ban these clubs and might ban the players from playing international football.
    *Cough* Restraint of trade *Cough*
    If the clubs are breaking contracts then so, surely, are the players. Hmm.

    The players are a weak link. They will come under intense personal pressure - social media, etc - to step away.

    And the fact the Germans and French have refused to join is also a massive issue
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,865

    So I'm fully expecting Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Citeh, and Tottenham Hotspur to be banned from next season's UEFA competitions.

    What about players registered to those clubs, would they become ineligible for international football? I'm very disappointed that Spurs are entertaining this bullshit.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Leon said:

    tlg86 said:

    Leon said:

    Ah. The times piece says it won’t replace the domestic leagues. So it might just work

    Still pretty “adventurous”

    Nope - I'll go and stand outside the Emirates and protest. The FA need to ban these teams.

    In fact, FIFA and UEFA might insist domestic associations ban these clubs and might ban the players from playing international football.
    *Cough* Restraint of trade *Cough*
    If the clubs are breaking contracts then so, surely, are the players. Hmm.

    The players are a weak link. They will come under intense personal pressure - social media, etc - to step away.

    And the fact the Germans and French have refused to join is also a massive issue
    The Germans know that their fans won't stand for it.

    PSG's owners are closely linked to UEFA.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,410
    edited April 2021

    So I'm fully expecting Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Citeh, and Tottenham Hotspur to be banned from next season's UEFA competitions.

    FIFA threatening to ban all their players from Euros and World Cup too.
    Edit. I see we've covered that.
    EFC in Champions League?
    Not all bad. We might have a title challenge next year...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,429
    tlg86 said:

    Leon said:

    tlg86 said:

    Leon said:

    Ah. The times piece says it won’t replace the domestic leagues. So it might just work

    Still pretty “adventurous”

    Nope - I'll go and stand outside the Emirates and protest. The FA need to ban these teams.

    In fact, FIFA and UEFA might insist domestic associations ban these clubs and might ban the players from playing international football.
    *Cough* Restraint of trade *Cough*
    If the clubs are breaking contracts then so, surely, are the players. Hmm.

    The players are a weak link. They will come under intense personal pressure - social media, etc - to step away.

    And the fact the Germans and French have refused to join is also a massive issue
    The Germans know that their fans won't stand for it.

    PSG's owners are closely linked to UEFA.
    Nor will most English fans - eg all the fans of every other club in the country

    Imagine the loud booing of, say, a Man U player in an England shirt - by England fans. Marcus Rashford won't be so beloved after this

    There are so many problems I don't see how this works, and I wonder if it is just a way to bully UEFA into changing the Champ League in a way that's more pleasing to the big teams....

  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,429
    ON topic, a question for PB software brainiacs.

    My laptop has just frozen during a Windows 10 update

    "50% completed, do not switch off"

    It's just stuck on that and has been stuck for hours. It won't even switch off if I press the off button hard and long

    Anything else I can do?!
  • Leon said:

    ON topic, a question for PB software brainiacs.

    My laptop has just frozen during a Windows 10 update

    "50% completed, do not switch off"

    It's just stuck on that and has been stuck for hours. It won't even switch off if I press the off button hard and long

    Anything else I can do?!

    Buy a MacBook.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,865
    Very solid vaccination numbers, first doses also heading up again, we should be looking at 0.4-0.6% per day again by the end of the coming week and upwards of that from the following week for a weekly total of at least 2.5-3% of adults per week and then looking to double that rate in May.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,429

    Leon said:

    ON topic, a question for PB software brainiacs.

    My laptop has just frozen during a Windows 10 update

    "50% completed, do not switch off"

    It's just stuck on that and has been stuck for hours. It won't even switch off if I press the off button hard and long

    Anything else I can do?!

    Buy a MacBook.
    I did, once. Hated it

    Any other helpful suggestions?!
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,865
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    ON topic, a question for PB software brainiacs.

    My laptop has just frozen during a Windows 10 update

    "50% completed, do not switch off"

    It's just stuck on that and has been stuck for hours. It won't even switch off if I press the off button hard and long

    Anything else I can do?!

    Buy a MacBook.
    I did, once. Hated it

    Any other helpful suggestions?!
    Dell XPS 13 is the best windows laptop if you're not a Mac person.
  • The PL are up pooh creek without a canoe.

    The auction for the 2022-25 rights cycle is due to be finalised this summer.

    The pandemic probably was going to see a reduction in the value of the domestic rights, with today's news, nobody's going to spend huge.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,410
    Guardian reporting City AREN'T signed up.
    Neither of their fans would stand for it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,429
    edited April 2021
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    ON topic, a question for PB software brainiacs.

    My laptop has just frozen during a Windows 10 update

    "50% completed, do not switch off"

    It's just stuck on that and has been stuck for hours. It won't even switch off if I press the off button hard and long

    Anything else I can do?!

    Buy a MacBook.
    I did, once. Hated it

    Any other helpful suggestions?!
    Dell XPS 13 is the best windows laptop if you're not a Mac person.
    I'd kinda like to save my present laptop, if at all possible

    It's a Microsoft Surface, it's newish, and it's by far the best laptop I've ever had (until this glitch)

  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    The PL are up pooh creek without a canoe.

    The auction for the 2022-25 rights cycle is due to be finalised this summer.

    The pandemic probably was going to see a reduction in the value of the domestic rights, with today's news, nobody's going to spend huge.

    Just means less money for the players.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,000
    Leon said:

    I did, once. Hated it

    Any other helpful suggestions?!

    Buy a Mac and stop whining?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080

    The PL are up pooh creek without a canoe.

    The auction for the 2022-25 rights cycle is due to be finalised this summer.

    The pandemic probably was going to see a reduction in the value of the domestic rights, with today's news, nobody's going to spend huge.

    What news?

    I can see Disney / ESPN spend big bucks...the other option is EPL do their own thing, perhaps in partnership with a technology partner, like MLB did 10 years ago, that became BamTech, which then a load of US sports used and which Disney eventually bought
  • glwglw Posts: 9,908
    tlg86 said:

    So - can someone explain to me why this super league thing is so bad? I genuinely don’t understand it - does it replace the premier league? Or is it just a thing to piss uefa off

    The big clubs want European football every season. They don't want the inconvenience of qualifying.
    Yes despite all the problems with modern football the teams have to fight for their position in leagues, and fight to qualify for competitions. The idea that you are a big club because you say so, rather than merit being earned on the pitch, is absolute nonsense and the antithesis of sport.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    It feels like these clubs have to go for it now. If they don't, then they will have been defeated and I reckon there won't be any big changes to UEFA competitions.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080

    The PL are up pooh creek without a canoe.

    The auction for the 2022-25 rights cycle is due to be finalised this summer.

    The pandemic probably was going to see a reduction in the value of the domestic rights, with today's news, nobody's going to spend huge.

    What news?

    I can see Disney / ESPN spend big bucks...the other option is EPL do their own thing, perhaps in partnership with a technology partner, like MLB did 10 years ago, that became BamTech, which then a load of US sports used and which Disney eventually bought
    Edit...seen it now.
  • The PL are up pooh creek without a canoe.

    The auction for the 2022-25 rights cycle is due to be finalised this summer.

    The pandemic probably was going to see a reduction in the value of the domestic rights, with today's news, nobody's going to spend huge.

    What news?

    I can see Disney / ESPN spend big bucks...the other option is EPL do their own thing, perhaps in partnership with a technology partner, like MLB did 10 years ago, that became BamTech, which then a load of US sports used and which Disney eventually bought
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/18/sports/soccer/super-league-united-liverpool-juventus-madrid.html
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,429
    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    I did, once. Hated it

    Any other helpful suggestions?!

    Buy a Mac and stop whining?
    I do love the bonhomie and helpfulness of PB at these times of distress
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080
    MaxPB said:

    Very solid vaccination numbers, first doses also heading up again, we should be looking at 0.4-0.6% per day again by the end of the coming week and upwards of that from the following week for a weekly total of at least 2.5-3% of adults per week and then looking to double that rate in May.

    What's the scores on the doors?
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,679
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    ON topic, a question for PB software brainiacs.

    My laptop has just frozen during a Windows 10 update

    "50% completed, do not switch off"

    It's just stuck on that and has been stuck for hours. It won't even switch off if I press the off button hard and long

    Anything else I can do?!

    Buy a MacBook.
    I did, once. Hated it

    Any other helpful suggestions?!
    Dell XPS 13 is the best windows laptop if you're not a Mac person.
    I'd kinda like to save my present laptop, if at all possible

    It's a Microsoft Surface, it's newish, and it's by far the best laptop I've ever had (until this glitch)

    And you can't even do a hard reboot? Odd. Unplug it and let the battery run out. See what happens when you power it up again.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    kinabalu said:

    Greedy greedy football. Out of touch. A giant bubble ripe to be pricked. My idea of the way forward? Nationalize without compensation then sell each club for a peppercorn price into local communal ownership. A new 'return to roots and sanity' model with a 'jumpers for goalposts' ethic. Bring back the romance with a £10 entrance fee and subsidized meat pies. One live match per week on TV. Match of the Day at the weekend. Sportsnight with Coleman for big midweek games under the lights. Top players wages capped at 25 x the highest paid member of the groundstaff. Tea lady to work from home if she wants to. I want to hear something like this from Starmer tomorrow. It's time to be bold. The Red Wall will lap this up and so will the Modern Metro Left. It's just what Labour needs.

    I think that's a little over the top, but I did suggest Ed Miliband promise a windfall tax on the PL after the 2016-19 rights were sold in Feb 2015.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,706
    Hang on, football is greedy? This is revelatory.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    https://twitter.com/theragex/status/1383803070400786439

    Macron does not believe that the Russian vaccine "Sputnik V" can now be used in the EU - CBS
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,410
    kinabalu said:

    Greedy greedy football. Out of touch. A giant bubble ripe to be pricked. My idea of the way forward? Nationalize without compensation then sell each club for a peppercorn price into local communal ownership. A new 'return to roots and sanity' model with a 'jumpers for goalposts' ethic. Bring back the romance with a £10 entrance fee and subsidized meat pies. One live match per week on TV. Match of the Day at the weekend. Sportsnight with Coleman for big midweek games under the lights. Top players wages capped at 25 x the highest paid member of the groundstaff. Tea lady to work from home if she wants to. I want to hear something like this from Starmer tomorrow. It's time to be bold. The Red Wall will lap this up and so will the Modern Metro Left. It's just what Labour needs.

    If Labour can raise David Coleman from the dead, then a majority may not be out of reach.
    And you are right re the politics.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 1,993
    edited April 2021

    Well now

    A group of the world’s richest and most storied soccer clubs has agreed in principle on a plan to create a breakaway European club competition that would, if it comes to fruition, upend the structures, economics and relationships that have bound global soccer for nearly a century.

    After months of secret talks, the breakaway teams — which include Real Madrid and Barcelona in Spain, Manchester United and Liverpool in England, and Juventus and A.C. Milan in Italy — could make an announcement as early as Sunday, according to multiple people familiar with the plans.

    The timing of the announcement appears designed to overshadow Monday’s plan by European soccer’s governing body, UEFA, to ratify a newly designed Champions League, a competition which would be decimated by the departure of its biggest teams.

    At least 12 teams have either signed up as founding members or expressed interest in joining the breakaway group, including six prominent teams from England’s Premier League, three from Spain and three from Italy, according to the people with knowledge of the plans.

    The group has been trying to get other top teams, like Germany’s Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund, to commit, but to date those clubs — and others — have declined to turn their backs on the decades-old domestic structures and Continental competitions that have underpinned European soccer for generations.

    The French champion Paris Saint-Germain, for example, has been invited to join but has so far resisted the overtures. Its president, Nasser al-Khelaifi, sits on the UEFA board and also heads beIN Media Group, the Qatar-based television network that has paid millions of dollars to UEFA for the right to broadcast Champions League games.

    The teams committed to the super league plan are, for the moment, limited to almost a dozen clubs from Spain, Italy and England. A cohort of six teams from the Premier League — United, Liverpool, Manchester City, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham — represents the biggest grouping from a single country. Atlético Madrid is the other team from Spain that is said to have endorsed the project, while the Milan rivals Internazionale and A.C. Milan would join Juventus as Italy’s representatives.

    The New York Times contacted a number of clubs involved in the breakaway plans but all declined to comment or did not respond. A UEFA spokesman did not immediately return a request for comment.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/18/sports/soccer/super-league-united-liverpool-juventus-madrid.html

    https://news.sky.com/story/european-super-league-plans-set-to-be-announced-six-english-teams-involved-sky-news-understands-12279432

    Are they still fighting for a bigger share of the four extra places in UEFA’s proposals? Thought that had been settled. Maybe they think a last minute scare will make UEFA cave in?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080

    The PL are up pooh creek without a canoe.

    The auction for the 2022-25 rights cycle is due to be finalised this summer.

    The pandemic probably was going to see a reduction in the value of the domestic rights, with today's news, nobody's going to spend huge.

    What news?

    I can see Disney / ESPN spend big bucks...the other option is EPL do their own thing, perhaps in partnership with a technology partner, like MLB did 10 years ago, that became BamTech, which then a load of US sports used and which Disney eventually bought
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/18/sports/soccer/super-league-united-liverpool-juventus-madrid.html
    "Still, UEFA also has begun contacting lawmakers at the European Union, hoping the bloc would be able to strengthen its hand in preserving the status quo."

    Well we all know how the EU like to ban things involving the Brits.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,429

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    ON topic, a question for PB software brainiacs.

    My laptop has just frozen during a Windows 10 update

    "50% completed, do not switch off"

    It's just stuck on that and has been stuck for hours. It won't even switch off if I press the off button hard and long

    Anything else I can do?!

    Buy a MacBook.
    I did, once. Hated it

    Any other helpful suggestions?!
    Dell XPS 13 is the best windows laptop if you're not a Mac person.
    I'd kinda like to save my present laptop, if at all possible

    It's a Microsoft Surface, it's newish, and it's by far the best laptop I've ever had (until this glitch)

    And you can't even do a hard reboot? Odd. Unplug it and let the battery run out. See what happens when you power it up again.
    Thanks. Yes I’m trying that
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    Hang on, football is greedy? This is revelatory.

    The owners of these clubs could be about make their billion dollar entities worthless. I wonder if they appreciate just how close they are to the Sun?
  • glwglw Posts: 9,908
    Are Leicester potentially about to win the Premier League?
  • Leon said:

    It's just stuck on that and has been stuck for hours. It won't even switch off if I press the off button hard and long

    If it won't switch off on a 4-second press of the power button then you have a hardware fault serious enough to have nuked the power management system. Phone the manufacturer if it's under warranty, or find a repair place if it's not.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,410
    sarissa said:

    Well now

    A group of the world’s richest and most storied soccer clubs has agreed in principle on a plan to create a breakaway European club competition that would, if it comes to fruition, upend the structures, economics and relationships that have bound global soccer for nearly a century.

    After months of secret talks, the breakaway teams — which include Real Madrid and Barcelona in Spain, Manchester United and Liverpool in England, and Juventus and A.C. Milan in Italy — could make an announcement as early as Sunday, according to multiple people familiar with the plans.

    The timing of the announcement appears designed to overshadow Monday’s plan by European soccer’s governing body, UEFA, to ratify a newly designed Champions League, a competition which would be decimated by the departure of its biggest teams.

    At least 12 teams have either signed up as founding members or expressed interest in joining the breakaway group, including six prominent teams from England’s Premier League, three from Spain and three from Italy, according to the people with knowledge of the plans.

    The group has been trying to get other top teams, like Germany’s Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund, to commit, but to date those clubs — and others — have declined to turn their backs on the decades-old domestic structures and Continental competitions that have underpinned European soccer for generations.

    The French champion Paris Saint-Germain, for example, has been invited to join but has so far resisted the overtures. Its president, Nasser al-Khelaifi, sits on the UEFA board and also heads beIN Media Group, the Qatar-based television network that has paid millions of dollars to UEFA for the right to broadcast Champions League games.

    The teams committed to the super league plan are, for the moment, limited to almost a dozen clubs from Spain, Italy and England. A cohort of six teams from the Premier League — United, Liverpool, Manchester City, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham — represents the biggest grouping from a single country. Atlético Madrid is the other team from Spain that is said to have endorsed the project, while the Milan rivals Internazionale and A.C. Milan would join Juventus as Italy’s representatives.

    The New York Times contacted a number of clubs involved in the breakaway plans but all declined to comment or did not respond. A UEFA spokesman did not immediately return a request for comment.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/18/sports/soccer/super-league-united-liverpool-juventus-madrid.html

    https://news.sky.com/story/european-super-league-plans-set-to-be-announced-six-english-teams-involved-sky-news-understands-12279432

    Are they still fighting for a bigger share of the four extra places in UEFA’s proposals? Thought that had been settled.
    An announcement is due tomorrow re the expansion of UCL.
    It seems the ludicrous new system is not ludicrous enough for some.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    glw said:

    Are Leicester potentially about to win the Premier League?

    Worth a flutter? Wasn't there a court case about a bet on Rangers being relegated?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080
    The new champions league proposal isn't far short of a super league, it is as far away from champions playing one another as you could get.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    The new champions league proposal isn't far short of a super league, it is as far away from champions playing one another as you could get.

    But you still have to qualify for it. That's the point.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,919
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    I did, once. Hated it

    Any other helpful suggestions?!

    Buy a Mac and stop whining?
    I do love the bonhomie and helpfulness of PB at these times of distress
    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/trouble-installing-surface-updates-ee2e1fc3-c6dc-d059-8f6c-489f7ae7b130

    After that you are on your own because I know sod all about Surfaces. I'd be inclined to wait for longer, and then try restarting it but do what MS says. Also do a search and limit time to the last few days.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,429
    If FIFA/UEFA can prevent players in this league from participating in the euros, World Cup, then the idea will die by Monday
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,219
    kinabalu said:

    Greedy greedy football. Out of touch. A giant bubble ripe to be pricked. My idea of the way forward? Nationalize without compensation then sell each club for a peppercorn price into local communal ownership. A new 'return to roots and sanity' model with a 'jumpers for goalposts' ethic. Bring back the romance with a £10 entrance fee and subsidized meat pies. One live match per week on TV. Match of the Day at the weekend. Sportsnight with Coleman for big midweek games under the lights. Top players wages capped at 25 x the highest paid member of the groundstaff. Tea lady to work from home if she wants to. I want to hear something like this from Starmer tomorrow. It's time to be bold. The Red Wall will lap this up and so will the Modern Metro Left. It's just what Labour needs.

    Agree about the greedy but not sure red wall would lap this up. Big name players no more.and our best players go abroad.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080
    tlg86 said:

    The new champions league proposal isn't far short of a super league, it is as far away from champions playing one another as you could get.

    But you still have to qualify for it. That's the point.
    My understanding is there are discretionary places to ensure big teams can always be involved, under some nebulous "historical" criteria.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,919

    Hang on, football is greedy? This is revelatory.

    There have been reports in the past that American billionaires did not understand they were not buying US-style franchises. This proposal fixes that.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    tlg86 said:

    The new champions league proposal isn't far short of a super league, it is as far away from champions playing one another as you could get.

    But you still have to qualify for it. That's the point.
    My understanding is there are discretionary places to ensure big teams can always be involved, under some nebulous "historical" criteria.
    And that's what stopped it being confirmed two weeks ago. The proposal was for two places to the two teams that didn't qualify with the best coefficient (max one team per league).

    I think that's appalling, but it's nothing compared to literally breaking away to form a closed shop, which is what this lot are doing.
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    ON topic, a question for PB software brainiacs.

    My laptop has just frozen during a Windows 10 update

    "50% completed, do not switch off"

    It's just stuck on that and has been stuck for hours. It won't even switch off if I press the off button hard and long

    Anything else I can do?!

    Buy a MacBook.
    I did, once. Hated it

    Any other helpful suggestions?!
    Buy a Chromebook. Its a laptop without Windoze to make it hateful
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,410
    edited April 2021

    tlg86 said:

    The new champions league proposal isn't far short of a super league, it is as far away from champions playing one another as you could get.

    But you still have to qualify for it. That's the point.
    My understanding is there are discretionary places to ensure big teams can always be involved, under some nebulous "historical" criteria.
    Yep. 2 places reserved for the biggest clubs who haven't otherwise qualified.
    Due to be announced Monday.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    The new champions league proposal isn't far short of a super league, it is as far away from champions playing one another as you could get.

    But you still have to qualify for it. That's the point.
    My understanding is there are discretionary places to ensure big teams can always be involved, under some nebulous "historical" criteria.
    Yep. 2 places reserved for the biggest clubs who haven't otherwise qualified.
    Not "biggest" - the two with the best coefficient (i.e. based on the last five seasons in UEFA competitions). Not good, but nothing compared with this.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,000
    @SophyRidgeSky: Well Arsenal didn’t manage to beat Fulham today.... can’t be that shite https://twitter.com/camdenbell62/status/1383809053898395655
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 1,993
    edited April 2021
    tlg86 said:

    The new champions league proposal isn't far short of a super league, it is as far away from champions playing one another as you could get.

    But you still have to qualify for it. That's the point.
    Two of the extra four group stage places will be awarded to a major club of the big four leagues even if they don’t qualify.
  • So Citeh aren't doing it? Great! They'll get bored of being the English Celtic.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    sarissa said:

    tlg86 said:

    The new champions league proposal isn't far short of a super league, it is as far away from champions playing one another as you could get.

    But you still have to qualify for it. That's the point.
    Two of the extra four group stage places will be awarded to a major club of the big four leagues even if they don’t qualify.
    No. The two places were going to go to the teams with the best coefficient.
  • So Citeh aren't doing it? Great! They'll get bored of being the English Celtic.

    Others say Citeh have signed up.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9484141/FIVE-Premier-League-teams-sign-European-Super-League-snub-UEFA.html
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,219
    kinabalu said:

    Greedy greedy football. Out of touch. A giant bubble ripe to be pricked. My idea of the way forward? Nationalize without compensation then sell each club for a peppercorn price into local communal ownership. A new 'return to roots and sanity' model with a 'jumpers for goalposts' ethic. Bring back the romance with a £10 entrance fee and subsidized meat pies. One live match per week on TV. Match of the Day at the weekend. Sportsnight with Coleman for big midweek games under the lights. Top players wages capped at 25 x the highest paid member of the groundstaff. Tea lady to work from home if she wants to. I want to hear something like this from Starmer tomorrow. It's time to be bold. The Red Wall will lap this up and so will the Modern Metro Left. It's just what Labour needs.

    If you want Starmer to be bold maybe he should oppose the road map in the direction of restoring liberties?

    Why not ask questions such as: why can't care home residents see family in a normal pre-pandemic way when the resident and the visitor has been vaccinated? How can it be right that vaccinated family members cannot see their loved ones when unvaccinated care home staff can? Why are many pubs and other businesses being allowed to bring in rules which are not required by government regulations, thus prolonging restrictions unnecessarily and inequitably? How can it be right that our government is giving non-UK citizens more freedom to travel than UK citizens? Etc, etc .....

    Could shoot LibDem fox as well.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487
    I hard reboot due to "windows update" crashes, and similar, regularly.

    It reminds me why I keep an old machine with XP in Oracle virtual box.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,429
    Yay. My computer has just unfrozen, so you can shove your ridiculous advice, you charmless wankers*

    *apart from Decrepiter, Poodle, and Stark Dawning: ta for your help

  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,429
    Incidentally, Microsoft customer support is excellent

    I got straight through to a technician via a chat thingy (not a robot, an actual person)

    He was giving me advice when my computer healed itself anyway

    But it just took a minute to reach him. That's impressive
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,761
    London Mayor says take a Lateral Flow Test before you go out today.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,585
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    ON topic, a question for PB software brainiacs.

    My laptop has just frozen during a Windows 10 update

    "50% completed, do not switch off"

    It's just stuck on that and has been stuck for hours. It won't even switch off if I press the off button hard and long

    Anything else I can do?!

    Buy a MacBook.
    I did, once. Hated it

    Any other helpful suggestions?!
    Why did you hate it?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,202

    Well now

    A group of the world’s richest and most storied soccer clubs has agreed in principle on a plan to create a breakaway European club competition that would, if it comes to fruition, upend the structures, economics and relationships that have bound global soccer for nearly a century.

    After months of secret talks, the breakaway teams — which include Real Madrid and Barcelona in Spain, Manchester United and Liverpool in England, and Juventus and A.C. Milan in Italy — could make an announcement as early as Sunday, according to multiple people familiar with the plans.

    The timing of the announcement appears designed to overshadow Monday’s plan by European soccer’s governing body, UEFA, to ratify a newly designed Champions League, a competition which would be decimated by the departure of its biggest teams.

    At least 12 teams have either signed up as founding members or expressed interest in joining the breakaway group, including six prominent teams from England’s Premier League, three from Spain and three from Italy, according to the people with knowledge of the plans.

    The group has been trying to get other top teams, like Germany’s Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund, to commit, but to date those clubs — and others — have declined to turn their backs on the decades-old domestic structures and Continental competitions that have underpinned European soccer for generations.

    The French champion Paris Saint-Germain, for example, has been invited to join but has so far resisted the overtures. Its president, Nasser al-Khelaifi, sits on the UEFA board and also heads beIN Media Group, the Qatar-based television network that has paid millions of dollars to UEFA for the right to broadcast Champions League games.

    The teams committed to the super league plan are, for the moment, limited to almost a dozen clubs from Spain, Italy and England. A cohort of six teams from the Premier League — United, Liverpool, Manchester City, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham — represents the biggest grouping from a single country. Atlético Madrid is the other team from Spain that is said to have endorsed the project, while the Milan rivals Internazionale and A.C. Milan would join Juventus as Italy’s representatives.

    The New York Times contacted a number of clubs involved in the breakaway plans but all declined to comment or did not respond. A UEFA spokesman did not immediately return a request for comment.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/18/sports/soccer/super-league-united-liverpool-juventus-madrid.html

    https://news.sky.com/story/european-super-league-plans-set-to-be-announced-six-english-teams-involved-sky-news-understands-12279432

    If Burnley isn't it, no one is going to take it seriously.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,585
    "16:52
    New UK figures revealed

    Almost 10 million people in the UK have now received both doses of a COVID-19 vaccine, while nearly 33 million have had their first dose.

    According to government figures released on Sunday, 9,930,846 people have received a first dose and 32,849,223, their second.

    The stats also showed 1,882 further cases recorded in the latest 24-hour period.

    A further 10 people had died within 28 days of testing positive for COVID-19 as of Sunday, bringing the UK total to 127,270."

    https://news.sky.com/story/sophy-ridge-on-sunday-live-greensill-lobbying-scandal-risks-red-wall-seats-boris-johnson-warned-12278896
  • This thread from The Netherlands shows why Huawei should be considered an arm of the Chinese (surveillance) state.

    https://twitter.com/MartijnRasser/status/1383769537829502979
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,202
    Leon said:

    I’ve encountered a new extreme form of Strasbourg Syndrome

    It’s a type of Remoaner that believes - seriously - that the Tory government has somehow confected or greatly exaggerated the Covid crisis, so as to mask the terrible damage of Brexit, preventing a national change of mind

    It’s a rare yet exceptional new variant. Worth a look just for its flamboyant severity

    I thought the EU invented Covid in a lab in Brussels to demonstrate the superiority of pan-EU sourcing.
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