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Punters now make it a 66% chance that Brian Rose will get less than 2% in the London Mayoral race –

SystemSystem Posts: 8,489
edited March 11 in General
imagePunters now make it a 66% chance that Brian Rose will get less than 2% in the London Mayoral race – politicalbetting.com

The big surprise in the race for the London mayoralty has been the apparently well funded campaign by political newcomer, Brian Rose. At one stage he was being traded on the betting exchanges as 7/1 second favourite.

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  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 40,123
    So who are Tories going to vote for, if not him or Bailey?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 55,439
    Good morning, everyone.

    Especially to Mr. Quincel, who tipped laying Rose to win at about 9 or so.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 3,303

    So who are Tories going to vote for, if not him or Bailey?

    I’d imagine a lot (most) of them will just sit it out.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 40,123

    So who are Tories going to vote for, if not him or Bailey?

    I’d imagine a lot (most) of them will just sit it out.
    Still think Ruth Davidson would have been an interesting choice.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 36,847

    So who are Tories going to vote for, if not him or Bailey?

    Laurence Fox?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 30,538
    (FPT)
    RobD said:

    Mango said:



    Tusk got way too emotional over Brexit.

    He was an Anglophile. They did exist in numbers, particularly in countries where the twin tyrannies of fascism and Stalinism had to be seen off.

    Not any more though. Another soft power Brexit win.
    Any source to back that up?
    Just google Donald Tusk anglophile.
    He’s also a great admirer of Margaret Thatcher.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 30,538
    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168
  • swing_voterswing_voter Posts: 818
    Whereas the Mayoralty posts have created some useful outlets for aspiriing Labour politicians, the Conservatives seem to have had a more ambiguous relationship - I can really only think of Andy Street (West Mids) as a figure of almost national standing from the Conservative Mayors. Is it a symptom of being in opposition - where being in power at least has an attraction for good quality candidates (though not all Labour mayors are).
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 23,145
    I think Shadsy's 4.0 on Sadiq winning 50% on the first ballot looks good.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 3,303

    Whereas the Mayoralty posts have created some useful outlets for aspiriing Labour politicians, the Conservatives seem to have had a more ambiguous relationship - I can really only think of Andy Street (West Mids) as a figure of almost national standing from the Conservative Mayors. Is it a symptom of being in opposition - where being in power at least has an attraction for good quality candidates (though not all Labour mayors are).

    It’s more that largely covering metropolitan areas, they tend to offer more fertile ground for Labour.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 41,703
    I went in on Khan at 1.06 yesterday.

    Amazing that's now value, but it is. Only eight weeks today.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 3,053
    I have obviously been following the Mayoral race closely. I have never heard of Brian Rose.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 4,945
    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 41,703
    Foxy said:

    I think Shadsy's 4.0 on Sadiq winning 50% on the first ballot looks good.

    That's a great tip, and 3/1 in old money.

    He got just over 44% last time and given how useless and fractured his opposition is, and how London has continued to swing Left in the last 5 years, I'd probably price that 6/4.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 41,703

    Good morning, everyone.

    Especially to Mr. Quincel, who tipped laying Rose to win at about 9 or so.

    We need Quincel, David Herdson, Number Cruncher and the other serious punters back on here below the line.

    I miss them.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 41,703
    The Sarah Everard story is getting increasingly dark - terrible:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56355019
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 22,138

    The Sarah Everard story is getting increasingly dark - terrible:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56355019

    I know it's a London story and therefore easier to cover, but there does seem to be something we're not being told.

    And Good Morning, virtual neighbours, on what is a very blowy morning here. Seems to have blown the earlier rain through, though.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 5,677
    edited March 11
    Foxy said:

    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    In another 50 days, not completed, and many will be second doses.

    I suspect vaccine hesitancy will continue to diminish with the roll out.

    Biden off to a great start. No showman, just getting on with stuff.
    Have any of your previously vaccine-hesitant work colleagues relented and agreed to be vaccinated Foxy? I heard in the news somewhere that take up is picking up generally in some of the previously reluctant cohorts.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 31,476

    The Sarah Everard story is getting increasingly dark - terrible:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56355019

    If there really is no connection between the alleged perpetrator and the victim (only said on the basis that random attacks of this sort are very rare) then the police deserve a lot of credit for getting to an arrest in just 4 days
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 4,945
    Foxy said:



    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    In another 50 days, not completed, and many will be second doses.

    I suspect vaccine hesitancy will continue to diminish with the roll out.

    Biden off to a great start. No showman, just getting on with stuff.
    Yes, I understood it would be another 50 days, but didn’t make the connection with 2nd doses.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 7,137
    Who can listen to Charles Michel's drivel and say we're not better off out of the EU?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 22,138
    Charles said:

    The Sarah Everard story is getting increasingly dark - terrible:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56355019

    If there really is no connection between the alleged perpetrator and the victim (only said on the basis that random attacks of this sort are very rare) then the police deserve a lot of credit for getting to an arrest in just 4 days
    Just so long as it's not like that Bristol case.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 1,832
    Charles said:

    The Sarah Everard story is getting increasingly dark - terrible:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56355019

    If there really is no connection between the alleged perpetrator and the victim (only said on the basis that random attacks of this sort are very rare) then the police deserve a lot of credit for getting to an arrest in just 4 days
    I have no issue with not getting the whole story now. The important thing is to convict whoever is guilty, and nothing should be done to harm that. I do object when misinformation is put out that is later shown to be nonsense. Seems most common with celebrity deaths. I’m thinking mainly of Paula Yates and some other cases which were described as not involving drugs, or no drug paraphernalia were found. Just say nothing is the best approach.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 31,476
    edited March 11
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9349117/EasyJet-pays-15-000-British-Israeli-woman-moving-request-Jewish-men.html

    I feel a little sorry for EasyJet here

    On 2 occasions male passengers asked this lady to move because she was a woman. She dug her heels in and refused. EasyJet bribed her to move (albeit with just a hot drink) and she sues them because they didn’t back her up but sought conflict resolution.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 5,677
    Foxy said:

    I think Shadsy's 4.0 on Sadiq winning 50% on the first ballot looks good.

    I've just tried to lake that. Lads are limiting me to a stake of 0.83p. Pathetic.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 40,123
    rcs1000 said:

    So who are Tories going to vote for, if not him or Bailey?

    Laurence Fox?
    I think it is going to be a big win for whoever the Can't Be Arsed Party put up as their candidate.

    Khan is such a nothing as mayor, he makes a very strong case for "What's the point?". Would anybody have missed the post if it had been abolished these past 5 years?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 1,832

    Charles said:

    The Sarah Everard story is getting increasingly dark - terrible:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56355019

    If there really is no connection between the alleged perpetrator and the victim (only said on the basis that random attacks of this sort are very rare) then the police deserve a lot of credit for getting to an arrest in just 4 days
    Just so long as it's not like that Bristol case.
    Well quite. Statements from the met seem like they are certain tbh. But care needed.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 7,137

    I went in on Khan at 1.06 yesterday.

    Amazing that's now value, but it is. Only eight weeks today.

    I expect Laurence Fox's candidacy will motivate many who might otherwise have been non-voters. I mean motivate them to vote against Fox, of course.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 40,123

    The Sarah Everard story is getting increasingly dark - terrible:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56355019

    Finding "human remains" rather than a body does sound very gruesome. Terrible time for their family. We had a friend whose daughter was murdered. He never got close to resuming his life afterwards.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 31,476

    Charles said:

    The Sarah Everard story is getting increasingly dark - terrible:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56355019

    If there really is no connection between the alleged perpetrator and the victim (only said on the basis that random attacks of this sort are very rare) then the police deserve a lot of credit for getting to an arrest in just 4 days
    I have no issue with not getting the whole story now. The important thing is to convict whoever is guilty, and nothing should be done to harm that. I do object when misinformation is put out that is later shown to be nonsense. Seems most common with celebrity deaths. I’m thinking mainly of Paula Yates and some other cases which were described as not involving drugs, or no drug paraphernalia were found. Just say nothing is the best approach.
    I agree. The only question is if there is something that connects them (eg they have hooked up in the past - again this is purely theoretical) then the consequence of not saying that is that young women ( @MaxPB ’s friends?) are terrified to go out alone. There are wider consequences that should be considered
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 1,832

    The Sarah Everard story is getting increasingly dark - terrible:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56355019

    Finding "human remains" rather than a body does sound very gruesome. Terrible time for their family. We had a friend whose daughter was murdered. He never got close to resuming his life afterwards.
    It’s police speak - a euphemism.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 5,677
    edited March 11

    Stocky said:

    Foxy said:

    I think Shadsy's 4.0 on Sadiq winning 50% on the first ballot looks good.

    I've just tried to lake that. Lads are limiting me to a stake of 0.83p. Pathetic.
    Not even a whole penny???
    Oops. £0.83.
  • eekeek Posts: 12,249
    edited March 11
    Charles said:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9349117/EasyJet-pays-15-000-British-Israeli-woman-moving-request-Jewish-men.html

    I feel a little sorry for EasyJet here

    On 2 occasions male passengers asked this lady to move because she was a woman. She dug her heels in and refused. EasyJet bribed her to move (albeit with just a hot drink) and she sues them because they didn’t back her up but sought conflict resolution.

    Actually I don't and I can see why the company is being sued here. If the sole reason for being asked to move is because someone else is uncomfortable surely they should be the people expected to make the change required.

    And as it happened more than once it's clearly company policy on that flight and hence the court case.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 5,677
    Charles said:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9349117/EasyJet-pays-15-000-British-Israeli-woman-moving-request-Jewish-men.html

    I feel a little sorry for EasyJet here

    On 2 occasions male passengers asked this lady to move because she was a woman. She dug her heels in and refused. EasyJet bribed her to move (albeit with just a hot drink) and she sues them because they didn’t back her up but sought conflict resolution.

    Seems that Easyjet has the right policy (to refuse such an absurd request) but the cabin crew handled it badly.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 55,439
    Mr. Royale, Khan for 50% plus on the first ballot was also tipped by Mr. Quincel. When I backed it, it was 5.25 (may've been a little longer earlier, not sure).
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 31,476
    eek said:

    Charles said:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9349117/EasyJet-pays-15-000-British-Israeli-woman-moving-request-Jewish-men.html

    I feel a little sorry for EasyJet here

    On 2 occasions male passengers asked this lady to move because she was a woman. She dug her heels in and refused. EasyJet bribed her to move (albeit with just a hot drink) and she sues them because they didn’t back her up but sought conflict resolution.

    Actually I don't and I can see why the company is being sued here. If the sole reason for being asked to move is because someone else is uncomfortable surely they should be the people expected to make the change required.

    And as it happened more than once it's clearly company policy on that flight and hence the court case.
    Although harder to move 2 people (although that is what happened in the second case!)

    She seems to have won because they didn’t respond appropriately to her subsequent complaint
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 41,703
    Charles said:

    The Sarah Everard story is getting increasingly dark - terrible:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56355019

    If there really is no connection between the alleged perpetrator and the victim (only said on the basis that random attacks of this sort are very rare) then the police deserve a lot of credit for getting to an arrest in just 4 days
    Yes, there's a lot about this story I still don't know.

    I still haven't given up hope she might turn up, but this is awful news.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 41,703

    Mr. Royale, Khan for 50% plus on the first ballot was also tipped by Mr. Quincel. When I backed it, it was 5.25 (may've been a little longer earlier, not sure).

    I'm a moron.

    Why didn't I spot that?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 53,949
    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9349117/EasyJet-pays-15-000-British-Israeli-woman-moving-request-Jewish-men.html

    I feel a little sorry for EasyJet here

    On 2 occasions male passengers asked this lady to move because she was a woman. She dug her heels in and refused. EasyJet bribed her to move (albeit with just a hot drink) and she sues them because they didn’t back her up but sought conflict resolution.

    That’s ridiculous. She was being harassed on the grounds of her gender. The appropriate conflict resolution would have been to move the harassers or kick them off the plane.
    Well said. Aircraft should deal with the bigoted trouble-makers, not move others around to placate bigoted trouble-makers.

    Tell the men that they're welcome to leave the plane and rebook a future flight buying three seats if they don't want someone sitting next to them. (I don't know if that's even possible to be fair given you need to give passenger information).
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 31,476
    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9349117/EasyJet-pays-15-000-British-Israeli-woman-moving-request-Jewish-men.html

    I feel a little sorry for EasyJet here

    On 2 occasions male passengers asked this lady to move because she was a woman. She dug her heels in and refused. EasyJet bribed her to move (albeit with just a hot drink) and she sues them because they didn’t back her up but sought conflict resolution.

    That’s ridiculous. She was being harassed on the grounds of her gender. The appropriate conflict resolution would have been to move the harassers or kick them off the plane.
    I tend to fly BA from Tel Aviv to London (although easyJet is very popular). If you kicked all the orthodox off the plane I doubt the route would be economic (the BA flight doesn’t work with sun down or something religiously significant)
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 53,949
    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9349117/EasyJet-pays-15-000-British-Israeli-woman-moving-request-Jewish-men.html

    I feel a little sorry for EasyJet here

    On 2 occasions male passengers asked this lady to move because she was a woman. She dug her heels in and refused. EasyJet bribed her to move (albeit with just a hot drink) and she sues them because they didn’t back her up but sought conflict resolution.

    That’s ridiculous. She was being harassed on the grounds of her gender. The appropriate conflict resolution would have been to move the harassers or kick them off the plane.
    I tend to fly BA from Tel Aviv to London (although easyJet is very popular). If you kicked all the orthodox off the plane I doubt the route would be economic (the BA flight doesn’t work with sun down or something religiously significant)
    No need to kick the orthodox off. They just need to accept they have to sit next to whomever they're sat next to, while they're on the plane.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 36,987
    Big win for Biden on his Covid finance bill: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56350463

    Came at a price though. Not a single Republican supported it in the House. Bipartisanship really does seem dead in the US.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 33,627
    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    The US is now gaining on us fast.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 40,123

    The Sarah Everard story is getting increasingly dark - terrible:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56355019

    Finding "human remains" rather than a body does sound very gruesome. Terrible time for their family. We had a friend whose daughter was murdered. He never got close to resuming his life afterwards.
    It’s police speak - a euphemism.
    Maybe. You might think a policeman would have more exposure than the rest of us on how to dispose of a body to evade detection.

    Or not, in this case.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 33,627

    I have obviously been following the Mayoral race closely. I have never heard of Brian Rose.

    Welcome to PB ;)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 55,439
    Mr. Royale, it's easy to miss things. I never got the 51 on Obama. And usually screw up leadership contest markets.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 33,627
    edited March 11

    The Sarah Everard story is getting increasingly dark - terrible:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56355019

    I know it's a London story and therefore easier to cover, but there does seem to be something we're not being told.

    And Good Morning, virtual neighbours, on what is a very blowy morning here. Seems to have blown the earlier rain through, though.
    It is a terrible story, although also one that appears to be resolving quickly. Do we have any idea what clue led them so quickly to lift the serving policeman?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 33,627
    DavidL said:

    Big win for Biden on his Covid finance bill: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56350463

    Came at a price though. Not a single Republican supported it in the House. Bipartisanship really does seem dead in the US.

    True. Voting against the rescue and support package is not a position any UK opposition party would land itself in.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 23,145
    Stocky said:

    Foxy said:

    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    In another 50 days, not completed, and many will be second doses.

    I suspect vaccine hesitancy will continue to diminish with the roll out.

    Biden off to a great start. No showman, just getting on with stuff.
    Have any of your previously vaccine-hesitant work colleagues relented and agreed to be vaccinated Foxy? I heard in the news somewhere that take up is picking up generally in some of the previously reluctant cohorts.
    Some have, some haven't. Uptake in my Trust is now about 80%. Some are legit of course, pregnant staff, or within a month of testing positive etc.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 40,123
    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Foxy said:

    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    In another 50 days, not completed, and many will be second doses.

    I suspect vaccine hesitancy will continue to diminish with the roll out.

    Biden off to a great start. No showman, just getting on with stuff.
    Have any of your previously vaccine-hesitant work colleagues relented and agreed to be vaccinated Foxy? I heard in the news somewhere that take up is picking up generally in some of the previously reluctant cohorts.
    Some have, some haven't. Uptake in my Trust is now about 80%. Some are legit of course, pregnant staff, or within a month of testing positive etc.
    Any pressure yet to start moving staff who refuse to different roles?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 33,627
    Stocky said:

    Foxy said:

    I think Shadsy's 4.0 on Sadiq winning 50% on the first ballot looks good.

    I've just tried to lake that. Lads are limiting me to a stake of 0.83p. Pathetic.
    Hardly worth getting out the fishing rod
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 33,627

    The Sarah Everard story is getting increasingly dark - terrible:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56355019

    Finding "human remains" rather than a body does sound very gruesome. Terrible time for their family. We had a friend whose daughter was murdered. He never got close to resuming his life afterwards.
    It’s police speak - a euphemism.
    Maybe. You might think a policeman would have more exposure than the rest of us on how to dispose of a body to evade detection.

    Or not, in this case.
    BBC saying he is a member of the Diplomatic Protection squad.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 16,059

    Mr. Royale, it's easy to miss things. I never got the 51 on Obama. And usually screw up leadership contest markets.

    Richard Burgon is currently 50/1 to be next Labour leader. While he is unlikely to get it, he is potentially the Lefts candidate in a leadership challenge.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 55,439
    Mr. Jonathan, hmm, maybe, but I've been burnt with Labour long shots before.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 23,145

    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Foxy said:

    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    In another 50 days, not completed, and many will be second doses.

    I suspect vaccine hesitancy will continue to diminish with the roll out.

    Biden off to a great start. No showman, just getting on with stuff.
    Have any of your previously vaccine-hesitant work colleagues relented and agreed to be vaccinated Foxy? I heard in the news somewhere that take up is picking up generally in some of the previously reluctant cohorts.
    Some have, some haven't. Uptake in my Trust is now about 80%. Some are legit of course, pregnant staff, or within a month of testing positive etc.
    Any pressure yet to start moving staff who refuse to different roles?
    No, not that I am aware of.

    Our biggest problem is staff retention. Lots are burnt out and planning to call it a day.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 16,059
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Foxy said:

    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    In another 50 days, not completed, and many will be second doses.

    I suspect vaccine hesitancy will continue to diminish with the roll out.

    Biden off to a great start. No showman, just getting on with stuff.
    Have any of your previously vaccine-hesitant work colleagues relented and agreed to be vaccinated Foxy? I heard in the news somewhere that take up is picking up generally in some of the previously reluctant cohorts.
    Some have, some haven't. Uptake in my Trust is now about 80%. Some are legit of course, pregnant staff, or within a month of testing positive etc.
    Any pressure yet to start moving staff who refuse to different roles?
    No, not that I am aware of.

    Our biggest problem is staff retention. Lots are burnt out and planning to call it a day.
    That beefy 1% pay rise will turn that around.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 33,627
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Foxy said:

    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    In another 50 days, not completed, and many will be second doses.

    I suspect vaccine hesitancy will continue to diminish with the roll out.

    Biden off to a great start. No showman, just getting on with stuff.
    Have any of your previously vaccine-hesitant work colleagues relented and agreed to be vaccinated Foxy? I heard in the news somewhere that take up is picking up generally in some of the previously reluctant cohorts.
    Some have, some haven't. Uptake in my Trust is now about 80%. Some are legit of course, pregnant staff, or within a month of testing positive etc.
    Any pressure yet to start moving staff who refuse to different roles?
    No, not that I am aware of.

    Our biggest problem is staff retention. Lots are burnt out and planning to call it a day.
    The government says there is a long waiting list of people to train up?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 53,949
    Jonathan said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Foxy said:

    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    In another 50 days, not completed, and many will be second doses.

    I suspect vaccine hesitancy will continue to diminish with the roll out.

    Biden off to a great start. No showman, just getting on with stuff.
    Have any of your previously vaccine-hesitant work colleagues relented and agreed to be vaccinated Foxy? I heard in the news somewhere that take up is picking up generally in some of the previously reluctant cohorts.
    Some have, some haven't. Uptake in my Trust is now about 80%. Some are legit of course, pregnant staff, or within a month of testing positive etc.
    Any pressure yet to start moving staff who refuse to different roles?
    No, not that I am aware of.

    Our biggest problem is staff retention. Lots are burnt out and planning to call it a day.
    That beefy 1% pay rise will turn that around.
    Considering that is above inflation, most jobs are at-risk or frozen pay, and that nurse recruitment is at record levels, yes it will. 👍
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 16,059

    Jonathan said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Foxy said:

    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    In another 50 days, not completed, and many will be second doses.

    I suspect vaccine hesitancy will continue to diminish with the roll out.

    Biden off to a great start. No showman, just getting on with stuff.
    Have any of your previously vaccine-hesitant work colleagues relented and agreed to be vaccinated Foxy? I heard in the news somewhere that take up is picking up generally in some of the previously reluctant cohorts.
    Some have, some haven't. Uptake in my Trust is now about 80%. Some are legit of course, pregnant staff, or within a month of testing positive etc.
    Any pressure yet to start moving staff who refuse to different roles?
    No, not that I am aware of.

    Our biggest problem is staff retention. Lots are burnt out and planning to call it a day.
    That beefy 1% pay rise will turn that around.
    Considering that is above inflation, most jobs are at-risk or frozen pay, and that nurse recruitment is at record levels, yes it will. 👍
    Ah, that famously risk free job of nursing covid patients
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 53,949
    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Foxy said:

    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    In another 50 days, not completed, and many will be second doses.

    I suspect vaccine hesitancy will continue to diminish with the roll out.

    Biden off to a great start. No showman, just getting on with stuff.
    Have any of your previously vaccine-hesitant work colleagues relented and agreed to be vaccinated Foxy? I heard in the news somewhere that take up is picking up generally in some of the previously reluctant cohorts.
    Some have, some haven't. Uptake in my Trust is now about 80%. Some are legit of course, pregnant staff, or within a month of testing positive etc.
    Any pressure yet to start moving staff who refuse to different roles?
    No, not that I am aware of.

    Our biggest problem is staff retention. Lots are burnt out and planning to call it a day.
    That beefy 1% pay rise will turn that around.
    Considering that is above inflation, most jobs are at-risk or frozen pay, and that nurse recruitment is at record levels, yes it will. 👍
    Ah, that famously risk free job of nursing covid patients
    We are putting Covid behind us and yes the jobs are secure.

    As for risk of Covid the fact is that while less high profile there are considerable sectors seeing job losses and pay freezes and higher rates of Covid deaths tragically.

    But they're not as pretty or high profile as nurses so you don't give a fuck about that do you Jonathan?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 4,945
    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9349117/EasyJet-pays-15-000-British-Israeli-woman-moving-request-Jewish-men.html

    I feel a little sorry for EasyJet here

    On 2 occasions male passengers asked this lady to move because she was a woman. She dug her heels in and refused. EasyJet bribed her to move (albeit with just a hot drink) and she sues them because they didn’t back her up but sought conflict resolution.

    That’s ridiculous. She was being harassed on the grounds of her gender. The appropriate conflict resolution would have been to move the harassers or kick them off the plane.
    I tend to fly BA from Tel Aviv to London (although easyJet is very popular). If you kicked all the orthodox off the plane I doubt the route would be economic (the BA flight doesn’t work with sun down or something religiously significant)
    “Economic”.
  • eekeek Posts: 12,249
    Scott_xP said:
    If that is partly true - it's going to be a whole life tariff even if he pleads guilty immediately.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 16,059

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Foxy said:

    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    In another 50 days, not completed, and many will be second doses.

    I suspect vaccine hesitancy will continue to diminish with the roll out.

    Biden off to a great start. No showman, just getting on with stuff.
    Have any of your previously vaccine-hesitant work colleagues relented and agreed to be vaccinated Foxy? I heard in the news somewhere that take up is picking up generally in some of the previously reluctant cohorts.
    Some have, some haven't. Uptake in my Trust is now about 80%. Some are legit of course, pregnant staff, or within a month of testing positive etc.
    Any pressure yet to start moving staff who refuse to different roles?
    No, not that I am aware of.

    Our biggest problem is staff retention. Lots are burnt out and planning to call it a day.
    That beefy 1% pay rise will turn that around.
    Considering that is above inflation, most jobs are at-risk or frozen pay, and that nurse recruitment is at record levels, yes it will. 👍
    Ah, that famously risk free job of nursing covid patients
    We are putting Covid behind us and yes the jobs are secure.

    As for risk of Covid the fact is that while less high profile there are considerable sectors seeing job losses and pay freezes and higher rates of Covid deaths tragically.

    But they're not as pretty or high profile as nurses so you don't give a fuck about that do you Jonathan?
    Steady on old chap, I appreciate its hard to defend the indefensible and follow the party line, but it’s not even 8.30.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 53,949
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:
    If that is partly true - it's going to be a whole life tariff even if he pleads guilty immediately.
    So it should be. Horrific.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 36,987

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:
    If that is partly true - it's going to be a whole life tariff even if he pleads guilty immediately.
    So it should be. Horrific.
    I wonder if they have CCTV of this. I can't think (other than a confession) what else would have wrapped this up quite as quickly.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 55,439
    I fail to see how this alarming case is an argument for men (excepting criminals) to change their behaviour.

    He was a police officer with ID to prove it. That isn't a normal thing for men to have.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 15,032
    Why do people only ever talk about nurses when anyone who has actually been in hospital will know it's Healthcare Assistants who do a majority of the care work? I hope they're getting a pay rise too.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 7,931
    IanB2 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    The US is now gaining on us fast.
    Not really. The gap in per capita coverage has narrowed slightly but, given the vast disparity in population size between the UK and US, the respective vaccination programs are still running almost parallel to one another in proportionate terms - and the gap may start to creep wider again next week, once the UK supply bottleneck has been overcome.

    Apart from Israel (disappearing off into the sunset,) the UAE (well ahead but starting to level off a little) and a handful of microstates, Serbia and Hungary are also following a similar trajectory to the UK and US, albeit that Hungary only took off recently and so is playing catch-up. The other star performer at the moment is Chile, which is moving very fast indeed from a standing start at the beginning of February and has almost caught the Americans.

    The EU average is only just coming up on 10 in 100 and is getting steadily further behind.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 53,949
    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Foxy said:

    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    In another 50 days, not completed, and many will be second doses.

    I suspect vaccine hesitancy will continue to diminish with the roll out.

    Biden off to a great start. No showman, just getting on with stuff.
    Have any of your previously vaccine-hesitant work colleagues relented and agreed to be vaccinated Foxy? I heard in the news somewhere that take up is picking up generally in some of the previously reluctant cohorts.
    Some have, some haven't. Uptake in my Trust is now about 80%. Some are legit of course, pregnant staff, or within a month of testing positive etc.
    Any pressure yet to start moving staff who refuse to different roles?
    No, not that I am aware of.

    Our biggest problem is staff retention. Lots are burnt out and planning to call it a day.
    That beefy 1% pay rise will turn that around.
    Considering that is above inflation, most jobs are at-risk or frozen pay, and that nurse recruitment is at record levels, yes it will. 👍
    Ah, that famously risk free job of nursing covid patients
    We are putting Covid behind us and yes the jobs are secure.

    As for risk of Covid the fact is that while less high profile there are considerable sectors seeing job losses and pay freezes and higher rates of Covid deaths tragically.

    But they're not as pretty or high profile as nurses so you don't give a fuck about that do you Jonathan?
    Steady on old chap, I appreciate its hard to defend the indefensible and follow the party line, but it’s not even 8.30.
    The indefensible is boosting the pay of secure public sector jobs at a time that the private sector that pays for it has been under immense stress, job losses and insecurity.

    But for you there's never a time not to boost pay is there? Pay rises for all, all the time, and who cares that businesses are teetering on the edge of collapse and can't give pay rises or fund these pay rises eh?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 10,063
    I am reading from the independence polls that people's views on the SNP are directly affecting their opinions on independence. I don't subscribe to the notion that independence means a 1,000-year SNP rule, but it is certainly interesting.

    What we haven't seen as yet is evidence that there is much of a slide for them in the Holyood Elections which are just weeks away now.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 41,703

    The Sarah Everard story is getting increasingly dark - terrible:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56355019

    Finding "human remains" rather than a body does sound very gruesome. Terrible time for their family. We had a friend whose daughter was murdered. He never got close to resuming his life afterwards.
    Very sorry to hear that - that's absolutely awful.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 16,059

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Foxy said:

    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    In another 50 days, not completed, and many will be second doses.

    I suspect vaccine hesitancy will continue to diminish with the roll out.

    Biden off to a great start. No showman, just getting on with stuff.
    Have any of your previously vaccine-hesitant work colleagues relented and agreed to be vaccinated Foxy? I heard in the news somewhere that take up is picking up generally in some of the previously reluctant cohorts.
    Some have, some haven't. Uptake in my Trust is now about 80%. Some are legit of course, pregnant staff, or within a month of testing positive etc.
    Any pressure yet to start moving staff who refuse to different roles?
    No, not that I am aware of.

    Our biggest problem is staff retention. Lots are burnt out and planning to call it a day.
    That beefy 1% pay rise will turn that around.
    Considering that is above inflation, most jobs are at-risk or frozen pay, and that nurse recruitment is at record levels, yes it will. 👍
    Ah, that famously risk free job of nursing covid patients
    We are putting Covid behind us and yes the jobs are secure.

    As for risk of Covid the fact is that while less high profile there are considerable sectors seeing job losses and pay freezes and higher rates of Covid deaths tragically.

    But they're not as pretty or high profile as nurses so you don't give a fuck about that do you Jonathan?
    Steady on old chap, I appreciate its hard to defend the indefensible and follow the party line, but it’s not even 8.30.
    The indefensible is boosting the pay of secure public sector jobs at a time that the private sector that pays for it has been under immense stress, job losses and insecurity.

    But for you there's never a time not to boost pay is there? Pay rises for all, all the time, and who cares that businesses are teetering on the edge of collapse and can't give pay rises or fund these pay rises eh?
    Like Amazon?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 53,949
    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Foxy said:

    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    In another 50 days, not completed, and many will be second doses.

    I suspect vaccine hesitancy will continue to diminish with the roll out.

    Biden off to a great start. No showman, just getting on with stuff.
    Have any of your previously vaccine-hesitant work colleagues relented and agreed to be vaccinated Foxy? I heard in the news somewhere that take up is picking up generally in some of the previously reluctant cohorts.
    Some have, some haven't. Uptake in my Trust is now about 80%. Some are legit of course, pregnant staff, or within a month of testing positive etc.
    Any pressure yet to start moving staff who refuse to different roles?
    No, not that I am aware of.

    Our biggest problem is staff retention. Lots are burnt out and planning to call it a day.
    That beefy 1% pay rise will turn that around.
    Considering that is above inflation, most jobs are at-risk or frozen pay, and that nurse recruitment is at record levels, yes it will. 👍
    Ah, that famously risk free job of nursing covid patients
    We are putting Covid behind us and yes the jobs are secure.

    As for risk of Covid the fact is that while less high profile there are considerable sectors seeing job losses and pay freezes and higher rates of Covid deaths tragically.

    But they're not as pretty or high profile as nurses so you don't give a fuck about that do you Jonathan?
    Steady on old chap, I appreciate its hard to defend the indefensible and follow the party line, but it’s not even 8.30.
    The indefensible is boosting the pay of secure public sector jobs at a time that the private sector that pays for it has been under immense stress, job losses and insecurity.

    But for you there's never a time not to boost pay is there? Pay rises for all, all the time, and who cares that businesses are teetering on the edge of collapse and can't give pay rises or fund these pay rises eh?
    Like Amazon?
    Amazon should be taxed more but Amazon is not the private sector, it is an exception not the norm.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 15,032

    I fail to see how this alarming case is an argument for men (excepting criminals) to change their behaviour.

    He was a police officer with ID to prove it. That isn't a normal thing for men to have.

    While I appreciate the point you are making, we haven't got a clue what happened in this situation – we don't know if him being a police officer had any bearing on any abduction – so it seems pretty ill-advised to make such a comment.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 31,476

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9349117/EasyJet-pays-15-000-British-Israeli-woman-moving-request-Jewish-men.html

    I feel a little sorry for EasyJet here

    On 2 occasions male passengers asked this lady to move because she was a woman. She dug her heels in and refused. EasyJet bribed her to move (albeit with just a hot drink) and she sues them because they didn’t back her up but sought conflict resolution.

    That’s ridiculous. She was being harassed on the grounds of her gender. The appropriate conflict resolution would have been to move the harassers or kick them off the plane.
    I tend to fly BA from Tel Aviv to London (although easyJet is very popular). If you kicked all the orthodox off the plane I doubt the route would be economic (the BA flight doesn’t work with sun down or something religiously significant)
    No need to kick the orthodox off. They just need to accept they have to sit next to whomever they're sat next to, while they're on the plane.
    Ultimately it’s a conflict of their religious freedom vs her rights not to be discriminated against.

    The solution is to move people around the plane to make it work.

    Which is what EasyJet did
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 16,059

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Foxy said:

    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    In another 50 days, not completed, and many will be second doses.

    I suspect vaccine hesitancy will continue to diminish with the roll out.

    Biden off to a great start. No showman, just getting on with stuff.
    Have any of your previously vaccine-hesitant work colleagues relented and agreed to be vaccinated Foxy? I heard in the news somewhere that take up is picking up generally in some of the previously reluctant cohorts.
    Some have, some haven't. Uptake in my Trust is now about 80%. Some are legit of course, pregnant staff, or within a month of testing positive etc.
    Any pressure yet to start moving staff who refuse to different roles?
    No, not that I am aware of.

    Our biggest problem is staff retention. Lots are burnt out and planning to call it a day.
    That beefy 1% pay rise will turn that around.
    Considering that is above inflation, most jobs are at-risk or frozen pay, and that nurse recruitment is at record levels, yes it will. 👍
    Ah, that famously risk free job of nursing covid patients
    We are putting Covid behind us and yes the jobs are secure.

    As for risk of Covid the fact is that while less high profile there are considerable sectors seeing job losses and pay freezes and higher rates of Covid deaths tragically.

    But they're not as pretty or high profile as nurses so you don't give a fuck about that do you Jonathan?
    Steady on old chap, I appreciate its hard to defend the indefensible and follow the party line, but it’s not even 8.30.
    The indefensible is boosting the pay of secure public sector jobs at a time that the private sector that pays for it has been under immense stress, job losses and insecurity.

    But for you there's never a time not to boost pay is there? Pay rises for all, all the time, and who cares that businesses are teetering on the edge of collapse and can't give pay rises or fund these pay rises eh?
    Like Amazon?
    Amazon should be taxed more but Amazon is not the private sector, it is an exception not the norm.
    Like Tesco?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 40,362
    "despite the acrimony over vaccine exports, there is little evidence of shortages in most of Europe. On the contrary, many countries are struggling to administer what they have to their citizens.

    According to the latest EU figures, Germany and France have each used less than three-quarters of their vaccine stocks, while Belgium has used less than a third."

    Telegraph
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 3,053
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:
    If that is partly true - it's going to be a whole life tariff even if he pleads guilty immediately.
    We shall see ....
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 31,476

    I fail to see how this alarming case is an argument for men (excepting criminals) to change their behaviour.

    He was a police officer with ID to prove it. That isn't a normal thing for men to have.

    While I appreciate the point you are making, we haven't got a clue what happened in this situation – we don't know if him being a police officer had any bearing on any abduction – so it seems pretty ill-advised to make such a comment.
    But ok for Rosamund Urwin to make a sweeping statement?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 23,145
    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Foxy said:

    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    In another 50 days, not completed, and many will be second doses.

    I suspect vaccine hesitancy will continue to diminish with the roll out.

    Biden off to a great start. No showman, just getting on with stuff.
    Have any of your previously vaccine-hesitant work colleagues relented and agreed to be vaccinated Foxy? I heard in the news somewhere that take up is picking up generally in some of the previously reluctant cohorts.
    Some have, some haven't. Uptake in my Trust is now about 80%. Some are legit of course, pregnant staff, or within a month of testing positive etc.
    Any pressure yet to start moving staff who refuse to different roles?
    No, not that I am aware of.

    Our biggest problem is staff retention. Lots are burnt out and planning to call it a day.
    The government says there is a long waiting list of people to train up?
    Recruiting rookies is never a problem, but experienced staff who can do stuff immediately is. That is why training needs to a key part of the recovery plan. Indeed increasing numbers of postgraduate training places should be key. We haven't increased those numbers in my speciality for 15 years, despite a national shortage of specialists.

    Newly qualified doctors and nurses need a couple of years before they can work autonomously.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 15,032
    Charles said:

    I fail to see how this alarming case is an argument for men (excepting criminals) to change their behaviour.

    He was a police officer with ID to prove it. That isn't a normal thing for men to have.

    While I appreciate the point you are making, we haven't got a clue what happened in this situation – we don't know if him being a police officer had any bearing on any abduction – so it seems pretty ill-advised to make such a comment.
    But ok for Rosamund Urwin to make a sweeping statement?
    I don't know who she is, so I don't know?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 36,987

    I am reading from the independence polls that people's views on the SNP are directly affecting their opinions on independence. I don't subscribe to the notion that independence means a 1,000-year SNP rule, but it is certainly interesting.

    What we haven't seen as yet is evidence that there is much of a slide for them in the Holyood Elections which are just weeks away now.

    The SNP have been trending downwards for a while now. We have had threads on it. Their starting point, however, was incredibly high promising a comfortable overall majority. Even now it is touch and go. The key for the election is whether this is a Sturgeon/Salmond related blip or a more general concern that Scotland is not operating like a functioning democracy. I think that is still pretty tough to call. If I had to put money on it right now I would suggest a carbon copy of what we currently have with the SNP just short but the Greens able to give them a majority.

    I'm hoping not, of course.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 7,931

    I am reading from the independence polls that people's views on the SNP are directly affecting their opinions on independence. I don't subscribe to the notion that independence means a 1,000-year SNP rule, but it is certainly interesting.

    What we haven't seen as yet is evidence that there is much of a slide for them in the Holyood Elections which are just weeks away now.

    It's more like not-independence = 1,000 years of SNP rule. As long as the present circumstances exist - enough of the public is desperate to go to guarantee an endless succession of secessionist parliaments, but not quite enough of them will actually vote to go to resolve the logjam - then the same result will continue being produced over and over and over again.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 55,439
    Mr. Gate, I'm responding to the specific hypothesis mentioned (police officer, warrant card) and the attached suggestion that men need to modify their behaviour in the light of that being the case.

    It doesn't make any sense. I can't stop using a warrant card and police uniform I don't own.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 22,138
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:
    If that is partly true - it's going to be a whole life tariff even if he pleads guilty immediately.
    Names, quite a lot of detail. It had better be right. Take it this is from the Sun.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 31,476

    Charles said:

    I fail to see how this alarming case is an argument for men (excepting criminals) to change their behaviour.

    He was a police officer with ID to prove it. That isn't a normal thing for men to have.

    While I appreciate the point you are making, we haven't got a clue what happened in this situation – we don't know if him being a police officer had any bearing on any abduction – so it seems pretty ill-advised to make such a comment.
    But ok for Rosamund Urwin to make a sweeping statement?
    I don't know who she is, so I don't know?
    She was a columnist for the Evening Standard but don’t know what she is doing now. @squareroot2 post at 8:32 includes her tweet

    She says that because the alleged perpetrator may have abused his warrant card we should “stop telling women to change her behaviour. The onus is on men”

    Unfortunately she is part of the “all men are rapists” brigade. But that’s the context of @Morris_Dancer ’s post
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 5,661

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Foxy said:

    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    In another 50 days, not completed, and many will be second doses.

    I suspect vaccine hesitancy will continue to diminish with the roll out.

    Biden off to a great start. No showman, just getting on with stuff.
    Have any of your previously vaccine-hesitant work colleagues relented and agreed to be vaccinated Foxy? I heard in the news somewhere that take up is picking up generally in some of the previously reluctant cohorts.
    Some have, some haven't. Uptake in my Trust is now about 80%. Some are legit of course, pregnant staff, or within a month of testing positive etc.
    Any pressure yet to start moving staff who refuse to different roles?
    No, not that I am aware of.

    Our biggest problem is staff retention. Lots are burnt out and planning to call it a day.
    That beefy 1% pay rise will turn that around.
    Considering that is above inflation, most jobs are at-risk or frozen pay, and that nurse recruitment is at record levels, yes it will. 👍
    Ah, that famously risk free job of nursing covid patients
    We are putting Covid behind us and yes the jobs are secure.

    As for risk of Covid the fact is that while less high profile there are considerable sectors seeing job losses and pay freezes and higher rates of Covid deaths tragically.

    But they're not as pretty or high profile as nurses so you don't give a fuck about that do you Jonathan?
    Steady on old chap, I appreciate its hard to defend the indefensible and follow the party line, but it’s not even 8.30.
    The indefensible is boosting the pay of secure public sector jobs at a time that the private sector that pays for it has been under immense stress, job losses and insecurity.

    But for you there's never a time not to boost pay is there? Pay rises for all, all the time, and who cares that businesses are teetering on the edge of collapse and can't give pay rises or fund these pay rises eh?

    Let's wait to see what Labour actually DO about nurse's pay in the one place where they are in power.

    Labour have the freedom in Wales to implement whatever additional pay rise or bonus they wish.

    Over to the Great Drakeford ...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 40,123
    I see Brazil has suffered its first 2,000 Covid-death day. Very grim.

    Is it OK for people to whine yet, President Balsonaro?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 41,703

    Mr. Gate, I'm responding to the specific hypothesis mentioned (police officer, warrant card) and the attached suggestion that men need to modify their behaviour in the light of that being the case.

    It doesn't make any sense. I can't stop using a warrant card and police uniform I don't own.

    She's a left-wing Shaun Bailey.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 7,931
    Further cull of John Lewis department stores on the way. No specific locations announced but chain confirms it is in talks with landlords and doesn't expect to re-open all of its remaining outlets when lockdown finally eases.

    Report: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56357412
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 695
    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Foxy said:

    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    In another 50 days, not completed, and many will be second doses.

    I suspect vaccine hesitancy will continue to diminish with the roll out.

    Biden off to a great start. No showman, just getting on with stuff.
    Have any of your previously vaccine-hesitant work colleagues relented and agreed to be vaccinated Foxy? I heard in the news somewhere that take up is picking up generally in some of the previously reluctant cohorts.
    Some have, some haven't. Uptake in my Trust is now about 80%. Some are legit of course, pregnant staff, or within a month of testing positive etc.
    Any pressure yet to start moving staff who refuse to different roles?
    No, not that I am aware of.

    Our biggest problem is staff retention. Lots are burnt out and planning to call it a day.
    The government says there is a long waiting list of people to train up?
    Jam tomorrow. This is always Conservative policy. They are incapable of preparing for what is already starting to happen.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 4,971
    Alistair Heath:
    The EU is a perfect example of what Benedict Anderson described as an imagined community. Its foundational myths are that ever-closer union is what ensures peace, prosperity and the security of its citizens. National self-government, by contrast, must lead to chaos, poverty and disease.

    Like all powerful ideological claims, it cannot stand to be contradicted by reality: the fact that breakaway Britain has triumphed in the vaccine race is an intolerable affront, a scientific impossibility even. The result is a classic case of cognitive dissonance, a refusal to face facts, and an attempt at finding refuge in the EU’s comfort zone by claiming that Britain cheated, that we lied, as we have supposedly done throughout history.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/10/shameful-eu-elite-will-never-take-responsibility-vaccine-disaster/
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 23,546
    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Foxy said:

    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Biden seems to understand how to underpromise and over deliver.
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1369870504266375168

    210m shots completed? That’s over 60% of the population- given the well documented reticence of large segments of the US population that seems unlikely.
    In another 50 days, not completed, and many will be second doses.

    I suspect vaccine hesitancy will continue to diminish with the roll out.

    Biden off to a great start. No showman, just getting on with stuff.
    Have any of your previously vaccine-hesitant work colleagues relented and agreed to be vaccinated Foxy? I heard in the news somewhere that take up is picking up generally in some of the previously reluctant cohorts.
    Some have, some haven't. Uptake in my Trust is now about 80%. Some are legit of course, pregnant staff, or within a month of testing positive etc.
    Any pressure yet to start moving staff who refuse to different roles?
    No, not that I am aware of.

    Our biggest problem is staff retention. Lots are burnt out and planning to call it a day.
    That beefy 1% pay rise will turn that around.
    Considering that is above inflation, most jobs are at-risk or frozen pay, and that nurse recruitment is at record levels, yes it will. 👍
    Ah, that famously risk free job of nursing covid patients
    We are putting Covid behind us and yes the jobs are secure.

    As for risk of Covid the fact is that while less high profile there are considerable sectors seeing job losses and pay freezes and higher rates of Covid deaths tragically.

    But they're not as pretty or high profile as nurses so you don't give a fuck about that do you Jonathan?
    Steady on old chap, I appreciate its hard to defend the indefensible and follow the party line, but it’s not even 8.30.
    The indefensible is boosting the pay of secure public sector jobs at a time that the private sector that pays for it has been under immense stress, job losses and insecurity.

    But for you there's never a time not to boost pay is there? Pay rises for all, all the time, and who cares that businesses are teetering on the edge of collapse and can't give pay rises or fund these pay rises eh?
    Like Amazon?
    Amazon should be taxed more but Amazon is not the private sector, it is an exception not the norm.
    Like Tesco?
    Like Bonmarche?
    Like Arcadia Group?
    Like Peacocks and Jaeger?
    Like Edinburgh Woollen Mill?
    Like DW Sports?
    Like the Norville Group?
    Like Go Outdoors?
    Like Harvey's Furniture?
    Like Oak Furnitureland?
    Like Monsoon?
    Like Brighthouse?
    Like Carluccio’s?
    Like Cath Kidston?
    Like Chiquitos?
    Like Debenhams?
    Like Laura Ashley?

    Just a fraction of the companies that went bust and lost tens of thousands of jobs.

    Or like John Lewis and Pizza Express who are just about hanging on but will shut stores and dump jobs.

    For every example of a company that has done well out of the Pandemic I can probably find ten that have sacked workers or gone out of business completely.

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