Fantastic, so that should last us about a fortnight ideally if we double the rates. When is the next big amount due? Lets get this used ASAP.
I really wonder if it is wise to be publishing expected numbers. Will just give the EU an excuse to ban more exports if they think we have too much.
I don't think we're getting AZ from the EU are we?
They could try and retaliate by blocking Pfizer to us - but if they do we can block Pfizer ingredients to them, in which case their own supply dies too.
I would hazard a guess that a very, very quiet word along the lines of "don't think about blocking our imports, when we can halt yours if you do" is why they've gone after the Aussies and not us.
I really wasn't expecting us to be in a mutually-assured destruction stand-off with the EU so soon after leaving. I mean, apart from the one we're already in with the French, of course.
Just seen Shaun Bailey's tweet. What's the problem with it?
Using a high profile death to further your political campaign isn’t that nice.
It might be, but it worked for Labour in 2017. The terrorist attacks had **** all to do with any cuts to police numbers, but Labour successfully weaponised the attacks.
I doubt Bailey will be as successful, mainly because the media won't be asking the "how could this possibly have been allowed to happen?" question.
The timeline was the other way round, Labour raised police numbers well before the Manchester Arena and the Borough Market attacks.
I read that on the Sunday and Monday Labour had planned to go heavily on law and order but the suspension of the campaign and a desire not to be seen as exploiting the attacks saw Labour pull the plans to focus on law and order for the rest of the campaign.
Frankly it was also obvious and smart politics. May had a weak spot on law and order and they’d have been mad not to try and exploit it, even with Corbyn as a front man. Can’t criticise them for it.
Fantastic, so that should last us about a fortnight ideally if we double the rates. When is the next big amount due? Lets get this used ASAP.
I really wonder if it is wise to be publishing expected numbers. Will just give the EU an excuse to ban more exports if they think we have too much.
I don't think we're getting AZ from the EU are we?
Depends. My recollection is that for some reason a shipment of AZ from Belgium was put on a ship, and a mysterious privateer seized it as booty, and somehow parts of its cargo showed up in vaccination centres in the UK, though of course Britain Trump denies any wrongdoing.
I expect to see this reported in Handelsplatt tomorrow. I can be quoted as 'Senior EU Source'.
Fantastic, so that should last us about a fortnight ideally if we double the rates. When is the next big amount due? Lets get this used ASAP.
I really wonder if it is wise to be publishing expected numbers. Will just give the EU an excuse to ban more exports if they think we have too much.
I don't think we're getting AZ from the EU are we?
They could try and retaliate by blocking Pfizer to us - but if they do we can block Pfizer ingredients to them, in which case their own supply dies too.
I would hazard a guess that a very, very quiet word along the lines of "don't think about blocking our imports, when we can halt yours if you do" is why they've gone after the Aussies and not us.
I really wasn't expecting us to be in a mutually-assured destruction stand-off with the EU so soon after leaving. I mean, apart from the one we're already in with the French, of course.
Everyone knows the way to avoid French nuclear retaliation is to strike during lunch or at the weekend.
It isn't racist for a mother and father to talk about what their child is going to be like obviously. What may be racist is somebody (related or not) discussing whether or not they should change the rules about grandchildren of the monarch becoming an automatic Prince and commenting about possible skin colour in the same conversation, maybe.
Mrs Ed reckons it's Prince William who said this. I think that's a decent bet.
Either Wills or Daddy. That's why Harry is speaking to neither much on the phone.
William told Harry he was making a mistake in marrying Meghan. Harry (understandably) sided with his fiancée as was.
Fantastic, so that should last us about a fortnight ideally if we double the rates. When is the next big amount due? Lets get this used ASAP.
I really wonder if it is wise to be publishing expected numbers. Will just give the EU an excuse to ban more exports if they think we have too much.
I don't think we're getting AZ from the EU are we?
They could try and retaliate by blocking Pfizer to us - but if they do we can block Pfizer ingredients to them, in which case their own supply dies too.
I would hazard a guess that a very, very quiet word along the lines of "don't think about blocking our imports, when we can halt yours if you do" is why they've gone after the Aussies and not us.
I really wasn't expecting us to be in a mutually-assured destruction stand-off with the EU so soon after leaving. I mean, apart from the one we're already in with the French, of course.
Everyone knows the way to avoid French nuclear retaliation is to strike during lunch or at the weekend.
I recall Asterix comics making a similar joke about us!
It isn't racist for a mother and father to talk about what their child is going to be like obviously. What may be racist is somebody (related or not) discussing whether or not they should change the rules about grandchildren of the monarch becoming an automatic Prince and commenting about possible skin colour in the same conversation, maybe.
Mrs Ed reckons it's Prince William who said this. I think that's a decent bet.
Either Wills or Daddy. That's why Harry is speaking to neither much on the phone.
I went for Andrew.
Who could possibly suspect poor, innocent Andrew?
I read on Popbitch years ago that Andrew liked telling shocking jokes for the LOLZ.
I could believe any of Prince Phillip, Prince Andrew or Princess Michael but it might not be any of those. And what was said and when might be quite different to what we think.
We just don't know. That's why this is an insinuation that will do ongoing political damage to the monarchy until it's revealed and resolved.
It's all about context. I suspect the context and tone upset the Duke and Duchess of Sussex.
I will give you an example from my own lived experience.
When my youngest was born about two weeks later my friend Rob and his new girlfriend, who I had never met, paid me a visit.
Rob was holding and talking to my youngest at which point my youngest burped or farted, to which Rob said to my youngest
'Oh you cheeky monkey'
and his girlfriend said
'You can't say that, it's racist.'
To which point I said 'no it isn't, I've known Rob since university, we were housemates for two years after university, he doesn't have a bigoted bone in his body, there's honest to God racism in the world, this isn't one of them.'
A few years prior to that, I heard to old white ladies reading their papers and discussing the story about Harvey Price and his illnesses, and one of the women said something along of the lines of 'Well that's happens when you have different coloured parents, genetics causes illnesses like this' and her mate said 'yeah.'
So yes, skin colour of mixed race children can and is used by racists, if it upset the parents then I'm suspecting it wasn't an innocent comment.
Agreed.
Edit: but I think such is the nature of the allegation that we do now need to know who said it, in what context and why, because it is currently tarnishing the whole institution with speculation.
Just seen Shaun Bailey's tweet. What's the problem with it?
Using a high profile death to further your political campaign isn’t that nice.
It might be, but it worked for Labour in 2017. The terrorist attacks had **** all to do with any cuts to police numbers, but Labour successfully weaponised the attacks.
I doubt Bailey will be as successful, mainly because the media won't be asking the "how could this possibly have been allowed to happen?" question.
The timeline was the other way round, Labour raised police numbers well before the Manchester Arena and the Borough Market attacks.
I read that on the Sunday and Monday Labour had planned to go heavily on law and order but the suspension of the campaign and a desire not to be seen as exploiting the attacks saw Labour pull the plans to focus on law and order for the rest of the campaign.
The Labour leader claimed a link between “wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home”, as he relaunched his party’s election campaign on Friday after the three-day pause.
In the speech, the Labour leader also linked the Manchester atrocity to Theresa May’s failure to ensure “the police have the resources they need”.
“There will be more police on the streets under a Labour government. And, if the security services need more resources to keep track of those who wish to murder and maim, then they should get them.”
It isn't racist for a mother and father to talk about what their child is going to be like obviously. What may be racist is somebody (related or not) discussing whether or not they should change the rules about grandchildren of the monarch becoming an automatic Prince and commenting about possible skin colour in the same conversation, maybe.
Mrs Ed reckons it's Prince William who said this. I think that's a decent bet.
Either Wills or Daddy. That's why Harry is speaking to neither much on the phone.
William told Harry he was making a mistake in marrying Meghan. Harry (understandably) sided with his fiancée as was.
You're someone I listen to very closely on those matters because, given the circles you move in, you know what you're talking about.
But, if that was the case, how come he was still the best man and they both seemed ok together on the day?
I can certainly belief negative press coverage can affect your mental health, and social media is even worse.
What I don't understand is why they read or paid attention to it, and then threw fuel on the fire by reacting to it and trying to challenge it - just making it worse.
The problem comes when you feel your viewpoint, your perspective, your opinion isn't being reported or heard and you take the opportunity afforded by, let's see, Oprah, to put your side of the story (as you see it).
This is where the fallacy we have Freedom of Speech in this country falls down - we don't. Some opinions are repeated ad nauseam and ad infinitum by those with access to the platforms to put across those views. Other views are hardly ever heard but those who express them don't have the platform or the capability to put those views across.
It would be like going on a forum and seeing the same old contributors dominating (monopolising perhaps) the site day in day out to put across their view on every story under the sun.
The other side certainly isn’t getting a fair hearing in this affair.
The other side being H&M who've only had a 2 hour TV interview rather than acres, and acres, and acres, and acres of negative press coverage?
I’m referring to the specific allegations made in the soft-ball interview.
Indeed specific allegations after years of non-stop attacks on them with no reply until now.
If H&M spend years making allegations without reply it would be comparable to what's happened until now. 🤷♂️
How did Mr Lockdown Breaker get it? He is still only in his 30s.
He's caring for/living with his mother who had cancer, so is eligible that way.
That didn't seem to bother him the repeated times he has been caught treating lockdowns as optional.
I think it is a recent development.
The cynic in me thinks it is also a push towards a certain vaccine dubious group to get vaccinated.
In that case, good on him for doing it.
Lived a couple of streets away from Amir Khan when he was an up and coming amateur. A really lovely young man. Absolutely no side about him. After he won silver he visited all the local schools, entirely off his own bat. Spent ages with the kids, answering their questions. Challenged my eldest's class to a press up and sit up contest.
Have you noticed how Woke-ists always see the worst in people? If someone makes an ambiguous comment, for example, they always have to interpret it in the most negative way possible. They never give the benefit of the doubt. They are incredibly pessimistic about human nature. Wokeism is a totally regressive ideology.
Strawman argument from you.
Strawperson, if you're going to be Woke.
But I'm not woke.
You seem pretty woke to me mate, except when you talk about the French.
When did you last critique a woke take?
All the time, lumping all non white people into some homogeneous BAME group is a load of bollocks.
You might have seen me pretty cross when Corbyn said only Labour can unlock the potential of BAME people.
Apparently I have a lot in common with a black kid living on a council estate in London because we're BAME
That was a pretty hilariously un pc statement, from the outside. Even some what might be called woke lefties of my acquaintence found it cringeworthy.
Of course, lumping BAME together does make it easier to tickbox that you are doing things for or addressing things regarding all BAME people at once, which is convenient. Hispanics can probably relate.
Though I obviously have no personal experience or insight on such, admittedly.
Just seen Shaun Bailey's tweet. What's the problem with it?
Using a high profile death to further your political campaign isn’t that nice.
It might be, but it worked for Labour in 2017. The terrorist attacks had **** all to do with any cuts to police numbers, but Labour successfully weaponised the attacks.
I doubt Bailey will be as successful, mainly because the media won't be asking the "how could this possibly have been allowed to happen?" question.
The timeline was the other way round, Labour raised police numbers well before the Manchester Arena and the Borough Market attacks.
I read that on the Sunday and Monday Labour had planned to go heavily on law and order but the suspension of the campaign and a desire not to be seen as exploiting the attacks saw Labour pull the plans to focus on law and order for the rest of the campaign.
The Labour leader claimed a link between “wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home”, as he relaunched his party’s election campaign on Friday after the three-day pause.
In the speech, the Labour leader also linked the Manchester atrocity to Theresa May’s failure to ensure “the police have the resources they need”.
“There will be more police on the streets under a Labour government. And, if the security services need more resources to keep track of those who wish to murder and maim, then they should get them.”
How on earth did Theresa May end up losing on law and order to Jeremy Corbyn?
It isn't racist for a mother and father to talk about what their child is going to be like obviously. What may be racist is somebody (related or not) discussing whether or not they should change the rules about grandchildren of the monarch becoming an automatic Prince and commenting about possible skin colour in the same conversation, maybe.
Mrs Ed reckons it's Prince William who said this. I think that's a decent bet.
Either Wills or Daddy. That's why Harry is speaking to neither much on the phone.
I went for Andrew.
Who could possibly suspect poor, innocent Andrew?
I read on Popbitch years ago that Andrew liked telling shocking jokes for the LOLZ.
I could believe any of Prince Phillip, Prince Andrew or Princess Michael but it might not be any of those. And what was said and when might be quite different to what we think.
We just don't know. That's why this is an insinuation that will do ongoing political damage to the monarchy until it's revealed and resolved.
It's all about context. I suspect the context and tone upset the Duke and Duchess of Sussex.
I will give you an example from my own lived experience.
When my youngest was born about two weeks later my friend Rob and his new girlfriend, who I had never met, paid me a visit.
Rob was holding and talking to my youngest at which point my youngest burped or farted, to which Rob said to my youngest
'Oh you cheeky monkey'
and his girlfriend said
'You can't say that, it's racist.'
To which point I said 'no it isn't, I've known Rob since university, we were housemates for two years after university, he doesn't have a bigoted bone in his body, there's honest to God racism in the world, this isn't one of them.'
A few years prior to that, I heard to old white ladies reading their papers and discussing the story about Harvey Price and his illnesses, and one of the women said something along of the lines of 'Well that's happens when you have different coloured parents, genetics causes illnesses like this' and her mate said 'yeah.'
So yes, skin colour of mixed race children can and is used by racists, if it upset the parents then I'm suspecting it wasn't an innocent comment.
I remember that Roy Hodgson was pilloried for telling a joke about a monkey in a Russian spacecraft in an England half time talk. I did feel a bit bad for him I’ll be honest.
That was bizarre, the guy who he was saying was a space monkey didn't take any offence.
I think he said he worked with Hodgson for so long he knew that Hodgson couldn't be racist.
I’m reluctant to stray to far into this debate but professionally I always have to remind clients that people might not be “racists” but they can do racist things quite unthinkingly. I once helped carry a round back for a group of visiting rugby players and gave the only Irishman in that group the only Guinness. His was the Stella and he got quite offended. Hardly marks me out as a member of the KKK but it was a lazy stereotypical assumption that it is easy to see could take place in worse contexts,
You should have said: I'll ask you next time, to be sure.
Having pondered the Harry and Megan saga for a couple of days, I think I’ve fitted a piece of the puzzle in its correct place.
It’s all very simple.
Harry and Meghan are pissed off because they’re constantly comparing themselves to Wills & Kate. That’s their fundamental problem.
Life is fking unfair for the spare.
If they stopped with the comparisons, they’d be happy. It’s all rather sad.
Yes. FWIW, I’m “the spare”. And it sucks. I’ve made peace with it, but there are times it still hurts.
Not that I have a legacy which comes with certain expectations, but as a younger child I like to think of my presence as an example of my parents realising they needed another go to get things done right with the next one.
I can certainly belief negative press coverage can affect your mental health, and social media is even worse.
What I don't understand is why they read or paid attention to it, and then threw fuel on the fire by reacting to it and trying to challenge it - just making it worse.
The problem comes when you feel your viewpoint, your perspective, your opinion isn't being reported or heard and you take the opportunity afforded by, let's see, Oprah, to put your side of the story (as you see it).
This is where the fallacy we have Freedom of Speech in this country falls down - we don't. Some opinions are repeated ad nauseam and ad infinitum by those with access to the platforms to put across those views. Other views are hardly ever heard but those who express them don't have the platform or the capability to put those views across.
It would be like going on a forum and seeing the same old contributors dominating (monopolising perhaps) the site day in day out to put across their view on every story under the sun.
Sorry, I can't help. I'm watching the first series of True Detective again. I knew it was good, but damn, it is very fine indeed on rewatching.
I've just watched it for the first time, and it's superb, although Season 2 didn't come up to the same mark as seasons 1 & 3.
Another stunningly good drama that never seems to be mentioned here is The Leftovers.
When I saw the synopsis I thought that it wasn't my type of thing, but the acting, cinematography, storyline and directing and so damned good, and get better and better with each episode.
I remember not getting past a few episodes of the Leftovers, but it seems to have gotten a lot of praise toward the end so it may be worth another go.
Never watched it myself, but a lot of it was filmed here in Sleepy Hollow.
Just seen Shaun Bailey's tweet. What's the problem with it?
Using a high profile death to further your political campaign isn’t that nice.
It might be, but it worked for Labour in 2017. The terrorist attacks had **** all to do with any cuts to police numbers, but Labour successfully weaponised the attacks.
I doubt Bailey will be as successful, mainly because the media won't be asking the "how could this possibly have been allowed to happen?" question.
The timeline was the other way round, Labour raised police numbers well before the Manchester Arena and the Borough Market attacks.
I read that on the Sunday and Monday Labour had planned to go heavily on law and order but the suspension of the campaign and a desire not to be seen as exploiting the attacks saw Labour pull the plans to focus on law and order for the rest of the campaign.
The Labour leader claimed a link between “wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home”, as he relaunched his party’s election campaign on Friday after the three-day pause.
In the speech, the Labour leader also linked the Manchester atrocity to Theresa May’s failure to ensure “the police have the resources they need”.
“There will be more police on the streets under a Labour government. And, if the security services need more resources to keep track of those who wish to murder and maim, then they should get them.”
How on earth did Theresa May end up losing on law and order to Jeremy Corbyn?
Truly the worst possible PM, if not Tory Leader, in centuries.
Hard to tell which is worse, Theresa May or IDS but thankfully the latter never became PM.
Just seen Shaun Bailey's tweet. What's the problem with it?
Using a high profile death to further your political campaign isn’t that nice.
It might be, but it worked for Labour in 2017. The terrorist attacks had **** all to do with any cuts to police numbers, but Labour successfully weaponised the attacks.
I doubt Bailey will be as successful, mainly because the media won't be asking the "how could this possibly have been allowed to happen?" question.
The timeline was the other way round, Labour raised police numbers well before the Manchester Arena and the Borough Market attacks.
I read that on the Sunday and Monday Labour had planned to go heavily on law and order but the suspension of the campaign and a desire not to be seen as exploiting the attacks saw Labour pull the plans to focus on law and order for the rest of the campaign.
The Labour leader claimed a link between “wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home”, as he relaunched his party’s election campaign on Friday after the three-day pause.
In the speech, the Labour leader also linked the Manchester atrocity to Theresa May’s failure to ensure “the police have the resources they need”.
“There will be more police on the streets under a Labour government. And, if the security services need more resources to keep track of those who wish to murder and maim, then they should get them.”
How on earth did Theresa May end up losing on law and order to Jeremy Corbyn?
Brexit. Remainers were gunning for her and were happy to go into the sewer to stop her from winning.
Have you noticed how Woke-ists always see the worst in people? If someone makes an ambiguous comment, for example, they always have to interpret it in the most negative way possible. They never give the benefit of the doubt. They are incredibly pessimistic about human nature. Wokeism is a totally regressive ideology.
Strawman argument from you.
Strawperson, if you're going to be Woke.
But I'm not woke.
You seem pretty woke to me mate, except when you talk about the French.
When did you last critique a woke take?
All the time, lumping all non white people into some homogeneous BAME group is a load of bollocks.
You might have seen me pretty cross when Corbyn said only Labour can unlock the potential of BAME people.
Apparently I have a lot in common with a black kid living on a council estate in London because we're BAME
That was a pretty hilariously un pc statement, from the outside. Even some what might be called woke lefties of my acquaintence found it cringeworthy.
Of course, lumping BAME together does make it easier to tickbox that you are doing things for or addressing things regarding all BAME people at once, which is convenient. Hispanics can probably relate.
Though I obviously have no personal experience or insight on such, admittedly.
It's bizarre, the likes of Enoch Powell said people like me couldn't be British/English.
Some people on the left are determined to make sure I get classified as anything but English/British.
Just seen Shaun Bailey's tweet. What's the problem with it?
Using a high profile death to further your political campaign isn’t that nice.
It might be, but it worked for Labour in 2017. The terrorist attacks had **** all to do with any cuts to police numbers, but Labour successfully weaponised the attacks.
I doubt Bailey will be as successful, mainly because the media won't be asking the "how could this possibly have been allowed to happen?" question.
The timeline was the other way round, Labour raised police numbers well before the Manchester Arena and the Borough Market attacks.
I read that on the Sunday and Monday Labour had planned to go heavily on law and order but the suspension of the campaign and a desire not to be seen as exploiting the attacks saw Labour pull the plans to focus on law and order for the rest of the campaign.
The Labour leader claimed a link between “wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home”, as he relaunched his party’s election campaign on Friday after the three-day pause.
In the speech, the Labour leader also linked the Manchester atrocity to Theresa May’s failure to ensure “the police have the resources they need”.
“There will be more police on the streets under a Labour government. And, if the security services need more resources to keep track of those who wish to murder and maim, then they should get them.”
How on earth did Theresa May end up losing on law and order to Jeremy Corbyn?
Brexit. Remainers were gunning for her and were happy to go into the sewer to stop her from winning.
Sadly ironic that it's led to where we are now.
Which is ironic because she only got the job because the majority of Tory MPs in 2016 were Remainers and picked one of their own rather than going for a Leaver.
She of course was utterly inept and inappropriate besides Brexit, but ended up in a messy position of neither winning the support of Remainers nor Leavers.
Tory MPs should have chosen a Brexiteer in 2016. Thankfully they didn't make the same mistake twice, and the rest is history.
Just seen Shaun Bailey's tweet. What's the problem with it?
Using a high profile death to further your political campaign isn’t that nice.
It might be, but it worked for Labour in 2017. The terrorist attacks had **** all to do with any cuts to police numbers, but Labour successfully weaponised the attacks.
I doubt Bailey will be as successful, mainly because the media won't be asking the "how could this possibly have been allowed to happen?" question.
The timeline was the other way round, Labour raised police numbers well before the Manchester Arena and the Borough Market attacks.
I read that on the Sunday and Monday Labour had planned to go heavily on law and order but the suspension of the campaign and a desire not to be seen as exploiting the attacks saw Labour pull the plans to focus on law and order for the rest of the campaign.
The Labour leader claimed a link between “wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home”, as he relaunched his party’s election campaign on Friday after the three-day pause.
In the speech, the Labour leader also linked the Manchester atrocity to Theresa May’s failure to ensure “the police have the resources they need”.
“There will be more police on the streets under a Labour government. And, if the security services need more resources to keep track of those who wish to murder and maim, then they should get them.”
How on earth did Theresa May end up losing on law and order to Jeremy Corbyn?
Brexit. Remainers were gunning for her and were happy to go into the sewer to stop her from winning.
Sadly ironic that it's led to where we are now.
Laughable. It was the Tory Leavers, with friend Boris egging on the pack, who humiliated and undermined Theresa at every opportunity.
Have you noticed how Woke-ists always see the worst in people? If someone makes an ambiguous comment, for example, they always have to interpret it in the most negative way possible. They never give the benefit of the doubt. They are incredibly pessimistic about human nature. Wokeism is a totally regressive ideology.
Strawman argument from you.
Strawperson, if you're going to be Woke.
But I'm not woke.
You seem pretty woke to me mate, except when you talk about the French.
When did you last critique a woke take?
All the time, lumping all non white people into some homogeneous BAME group is a load of bollocks.
You might have seen me pretty cross when Corbyn said only Labour can unlock the potential of BAME people.
Apparently I have a lot in common with a black kid living on a council estate in London because we're BAME
That was a pretty hilariously un pc statement, from the outside. Even some what might be called woke lefties of my acquaintence found it cringeworthy.
Of course, lumping BAME together does make it easier to tickbox that you are doing things for or addressing things regarding all BAME people at once, which is convenient. Hispanics can probably relate.
Though I obviously have no personal experience or insight on such, admittedly.
It's bizarre, the likes of Enoch Powell said people like me couldn't be British/English.
Some people on the left are determined to make sure I get classified as anything but English/British.
Well, you at least pass the Tebbit test, although I note a degree of extra enthusiasm/dismay when England play India.
As for your support of the England rugby team through thin and thinner, what more proof is needed that you a re a true Englishman?
Just seen Shaun Bailey's tweet. What's the problem with it?
Using a high profile death to further your political campaign isn’t that nice.
It might be, but it worked for Labour in 2017. The terrorist attacks had **** all to do with any cuts to police numbers, but Labour successfully weaponised the attacks.
I doubt Bailey will be as successful, mainly because the media won't be asking the "how could this possibly have been allowed to happen?" question.
The timeline was the other way round, Labour raised police numbers well before the Manchester Arena and the Borough Market attacks.
I read that on the Sunday and Monday Labour had planned to go heavily on law and order but the suspension of the campaign and a desire not to be seen as exploiting the attacks saw Labour pull the plans to focus on law and order for the rest of the campaign.
The Labour leader claimed a link between “wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home”, as he relaunched his party’s election campaign on Friday after the three-day pause.
In the speech, the Labour leader also linked the Manchester atrocity to Theresa May’s failure to ensure “the police have the resources they need”.
“There will be more police on the streets under a Labour government. And, if the security services need more resources to keep track of those who wish to murder and maim, then they should get them.”
How on earth did Theresa May end up losing on law and order to Jeremy Corbyn?
Brexit. Remainers were gunning for her and were happy to go into the sewer to stop her from winning.
Sadly ironic that it's led to where we are now.
Laughable. It was the Tory Leavers, with friend Boris egging on the pack, who humiliated and undermined Theresa at every opportunity.
Just seen Shaun Bailey's tweet. What's the problem with it?
Using a high profile death to further your political campaign isn’t that nice.
It might be, but it worked for Labour in 2017. The terrorist attacks had **** all to do with any cuts to police numbers, but Labour successfully weaponised the attacks.
I doubt Bailey will be as successful, mainly because the media won't be asking the "how could this possibly have been allowed to happen?" question.
The timeline was the other way round, Labour raised police numbers well before the Manchester Arena and the Borough Market attacks.
I read that on the Sunday and Monday Labour had planned to go heavily on law and order but the suspension of the campaign and a desire not to be seen as exploiting the attacks saw Labour pull the plans to focus on law and order for the rest of the campaign.
The Labour leader claimed a link between “wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home”, as he relaunched his party’s election campaign on Friday after the three-day pause.
In the speech, the Labour leader also linked the Manchester atrocity to Theresa May’s failure to ensure “the police have the resources they need”.
“There will be more police on the streets under a Labour government. And, if the security services need more resources to keep track of those who wish to murder and maim, then they should get them.”
How on earth did Theresa May end up losing on law and order to Jeremy Corbyn?
Brexit. Remainers were gunning for her and were happy to go into the sewer to stop her from winning.
Sadly ironic that it's led to where we are now.
Laughable. It was the Tory Leavers, with friend Boris egging on the pack, who humiliated and undermined Theresa at every opportunity.
During the election? I don't think so.
It's easy to forget, but he likes of Scott P on here took a lot of joy out of May's failure. And it was her failure.
Just seen Shaun Bailey's tweet. What's the problem with it?
Using a high profile death to further your political campaign isn’t that nice.
It might be, but it worked for Labour in 2017. The terrorist attacks had **** all to do with any cuts to police numbers, but Labour successfully weaponised the attacks.
I doubt Bailey will be as successful, mainly because the media won't be asking the "how could this possibly have been allowed to happen?" question.
The timeline was the other way round, Labour raised police numbers well before the Manchester Arena and the Borough Market attacks.
I read that on the Sunday and Monday Labour had planned to go heavily on law and order but the suspension of the campaign and a desire not to be seen as exploiting the attacks saw Labour pull the plans to focus on law and order for the rest of the campaign.
The Labour leader claimed a link between “wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home”, as he relaunched his party’s election campaign on Friday after the three-day pause.
In the speech, the Labour leader also linked the Manchester atrocity to Theresa May’s failure to ensure “the police have the resources they need”.
“There will be more police on the streets under a Labour government. And, if the security services need more resources to keep track of those who wish to murder and maim, then they should get them.”
How on earth did Theresa May end up losing on law and order to Jeremy Corbyn?
Brexit. Remainers were gunning for her and were happy to go into the sewer to stop her from winning.
Sadly ironic that it's led to where we are now.
Laughable. It was the Tory Leavers, with friend Boris egging on the pack, who humiliated and undermined Theresa at every opportunity.
During the election? I don't think so.
It's easy to forget, but he likes of Scott P on here took a lot of joy out of May's failure. And it was her failure.
Just seen Shaun Bailey's tweet. What's the problem with it?
Using a high profile death to further your political campaign isn’t that nice.
It might be, but it worked for Labour in 2017. The terrorist attacks had **** all to do with any cuts to police numbers, but Labour successfully weaponised the attacks.
I doubt Bailey will be as successful, mainly because the media won't be asking the "how could this possibly have been allowed to happen?" question.
The timeline was the other way round, Labour raised police numbers well before the Manchester Arena and the Borough Market attacks.
I read that on the Sunday and Monday Labour had planned to go heavily on law and order but the suspension of the campaign and a desire not to be seen as exploiting the attacks saw Labour pull the plans to focus on law and order for the rest of the campaign.
The Labour leader claimed a link between “wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home”, as he relaunched his party’s election campaign on Friday after the three-day pause.
In the speech, the Labour leader also linked the Manchester atrocity to Theresa May’s failure to ensure “the police have the resources they need”.
“There will be more police on the streets under a Labour government. And, if the security services need more resources to keep track of those who wish to murder and maim, then they should get them.”
How on earth did Theresa May end up losing on law and order to Jeremy Corbyn?
Brexit. Remainers were gunning for her and were happy to go into the sewer to stop her from winning.
Sadly ironic that it's led to where we are now.
Laughable. It was the Tory Leavers, with friend Boris egging on the pack, who humiliated and undermined Theresa at every opportunity.
During the election? I don't think so.
It's easy to forget, but he likes of Scott P on here took a lot of joy out of May's failure. And it was her failure.
Have you noticed how Woke-ists always see the worst in people? If someone makes an ambiguous comment, for example, they always have to interpret it in the most negative way possible. They never give the benefit of the doubt. They are incredibly pessimistic about human nature. Wokeism is a totally regressive ideology.
Strawman argument from you.
Strawperson, if you're going to be Woke.
But I'm not woke.
You seem pretty woke to me mate, except when you talk about the French.
When did you last critique a woke take?
All the time, lumping all non white people into some homogeneous BAME group is a load of bollocks.
You might have seen me pretty cross when Corbyn said only Labour can unlock the potential of BAME people.
Apparently I have a lot in common with a black kid living on a council estate in London because we're BAME
That was a pretty hilariously un pc statement, from the outside. Even some what might be called woke lefties of my acquaintence found it cringeworthy.
Of course, lumping BAME together does make it easier to tickbox that you are doing things for or addressing things regarding all BAME people at once, which is convenient. Hispanics can probably relate.
Though I obviously have no personal experience or insight on such, admittedly.
It's bizarre, the likes of Enoch Powell said people like me couldn't be British/English.
Some people on the left are determined to make sure I get classified as anything but English/British.
Well, you at least pass the Tebbit test, although I note a degree of extra enthusiasm/dismay when England play India.
As for your support of the England rugby team through thin and thinner, what more proof is needed that you a re a true Englishman?
Nope, my biggest dismay is when we lose to Australia.
It usually leads me to singing 'Get your shit stars off our flag.'
Just seen Shaun Bailey's tweet. What's the problem with it?
Using a high profile death to further your political campaign isn’t that nice.
It might be, but it worked for Labour in 2017. The terrorist attacks had **** all to do with any cuts to police numbers, but Labour successfully weaponised the attacks.
I doubt Bailey will be as successful, mainly because the media won't be asking the "how could this possibly have been allowed to happen?" question.
The timeline was the other way round, Labour raised police numbers well before the Manchester Arena and the Borough Market attacks.
I read that on the Sunday and Monday Labour had planned to go heavily on law and order but the suspension of the campaign and a desire not to be seen as exploiting the attacks saw Labour pull the plans to focus on law and order for the rest of the campaign.
The Labour leader claimed a link between “wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home”, as he relaunched his party’s election campaign on Friday after the three-day pause.
In the speech, the Labour leader also linked the Manchester atrocity to Theresa May’s failure to ensure “the police have the resources they need”.
“There will be more police on the streets under a Labour government. And, if the security services need more resources to keep track of those who wish to murder and maim, then they should get them.”
How on earth did Theresa May end up losing on law and order to Jeremy Corbyn?
Truly the worst possible PM, if not Tory Leader, in centuries.
Hard to tell which is worse, Theresa May or IDS but thankfully the latter never became PM.
IDS was a more successful Tory leader at the ballot box than he is given credit for. Tory backbenchers had become demoralised by IDS's weekly pasting by Blair at PMQs and ignored the better-than-expected local and European election results.
The lessons are, first, that whoever coined the Conservative leadership election cliché about "the most sophisticated electorate in the world" was a steaming ninny, and secondly that PMQs do not matter at all to the public but are vital for party morale. IDS was robbed!!
I don't think that was bad faith. You have to remember that because of the Internal Market Bill and the long history, the EU has become increasingly distrustful of the UK, and therefore is increasingly reluctant to trust us to meet our obligations without formal controls . Yes, we should be de-dramatising the Irish Sea border, but that is the diametric opposite of what Lord Frost and Boris are doing: they are drama-queening it, most recently with their brain-dead unilateral action. That has torpedoed the Irish government's attempt to lobby quietly within the EU for technical solutions, extensions of the grace periods, and light-touch application of the rules.
Our government is entitled to act in the interest of its own citizens.
Just seen Shaun Bailey's tweet. What's the problem with it?
Using a high profile death to further your political campaign isn’t that nice.
It might be, but it worked for Labour in 2017. The terrorist attacks had **** all to do with any cuts to police numbers, but Labour successfully weaponised the attacks.
I doubt Bailey will be as successful, mainly because the media won't be asking the "how could this possibly have been allowed to happen?" question.
The timeline was the other way round, Labour raised police numbers well before the Manchester Arena and the Borough Market attacks.
I read that on the Sunday and Monday Labour had planned to go heavily on law and order but the suspension of the campaign and a desire not to be seen as exploiting the attacks saw Labour pull the plans to focus on law and order for the rest of the campaign.
The Labour leader claimed a link between “wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home”, as he relaunched his party’s election campaign on Friday after the three-day pause.
In the speech, the Labour leader also linked the Manchester atrocity to Theresa May’s failure to ensure “the police have the resources they need”.
“There will be more police on the streets under a Labour government. And, if the security services need more resources to keep track of those who wish to murder and maim, then they should get them.”
How on earth did Theresa May end up losing on law and order to Jeremy Corbyn?
Truly the worst possible PM, if not Tory Leader, in centuries.
Hard to tell which is worse, Theresa May or IDS but thankfully the latter never became PM.
IDS was a more successful Tory leader at the ballot box than he is given credit for. Tory backbenchers had become demoralised by IDS's weekly pasting by Blair at PMQs and ignored the better-than-expected local and European election results.
The lessons are, first, that whoever coined the Conservative leadership election cliché about "the most sophisticated electorate in the world" was a steaming ninny, and secondly that PMQs do not matter at all to the public but are vital for party morale. IDS was robbed!!
Fake news, the European election results were under Howard.
Just seen Shaun Bailey's tweet. What's the problem with it?
Using a high profile death to further your political campaign isn’t that nice.
It might be, but it worked for Labour in 2017. The terrorist attacks had **** all to do with any cuts to police numbers, but Labour successfully weaponised the attacks.
I doubt Bailey will be as successful, mainly because the media won't be asking the "how could this possibly have been allowed to happen?" question.
The timeline was the other way round, Labour raised police numbers well before the Manchester Arena and the Borough Market attacks.
I read that on the Sunday and Monday Labour had planned to go heavily on law and order but the suspension of the campaign and a desire not to be seen as exploiting the attacks saw Labour pull the plans to focus on law and order for the rest of the campaign.
The Labour leader claimed a link between “wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home”, as he relaunched his party’s election campaign on Friday after the three-day pause.
In the speech, the Labour leader also linked the Manchester atrocity to Theresa May’s failure to ensure “the police have the resources they need”.
“There will be more police on the streets under a Labour government. And, if the security services need more resources to keep track of those who wish to murder and maim, then they should get them.”
How on earth did Theresa May end up losing on law and order to Jeremy Corbyn?
Brexit. Remainers were gunning for her and were happy to go into the sewer to stop her from winning.
Sadly ironic that it's led to where we are now.
Laughable. It was the Tory Leavers, with friend Boris egging on the pack, who humiliated and undermined Theresa at every opportunity.
During the election? I don't think so.
It's easy to forget, but he likes of Scott P on here took a lot of joy out of May's failure. And it was her failure.
Have you noticed how Woke-ists always see the worst in people? If someone makes an ambiguous comment, for example, they always have to interpret it in the most negative way possible. They never give the benefit of the doubt. They are incredibly pessimistic about human nature. Wokeism is a totally regressive ideology.
Strawman argument from you.
Strawperson, if you're going to be Woke.
But I'm not woke.
You seem pretty woke to me mate, except when you talk about the French.
When did you last critique a woke take?
All the time, lumping all non white people into some homogeneous BAME group is a load of bollocks.
You might have seen me pretty cross when Corbyn said only Labour can unlock the potential of BAME people.
Apparently I have a lot in common with a black kid living on a council estate in London because we're BAME
That was a pretty hilariously un pc statement, from the outside. Even some what might be called woke lefties of my acquaintence found it cringeworthy.
Of course, lumping BAME together does make it easier to tickbox that you are doing things for or addressing things regarding all BAME people at once, which is convenient. Hispanics can probably relate.
Though I obviously have no personal experience or insight on such, admittedly.
It's bizarre, the likes of Enoch Powell said people like me couldn't be British/English.
Some people on the left are determined to make sure I get classified as anything but English/British.
There’s a really interesting split with some oldies, dynamic heathy handsome people like me in my late thirties, and the annoying youth. I think my generation mostly just thinks “every citizen is British and let’s embrace the cultures we have here - even the Welsh” as a reaction to the nonsense equivocations from the oldies. Young folk seem to want to bring the complexity and racism back, albeit unintentionally.
On topic, I'm surprised just how anti science the GOP has become.
The reality of it is they keep on doing stuff that harms them, not using mail in votes which may have cost Trump the election.
Now there's not taking the vaccine, which might mean fewer GOP voters in future elections.
My view - and this also accounts for me for the election result - is that we saw a shift of moderate republican voters towards the democrats and at the same time this was balanced out, although not by enough to save Trump, by an influx of previous non-voters who voted for the Republican party.
This both accounts for the 'inexplicable' increase in those vote numbers for both Biden and Trump whilst at the same time making the GOP more anti-establishment in all its forms, from gun nuts to anti-vaxxers and all parts inbetween.
It means that it is now the GOP that has the real struggle with voting numbers. The political rift in the USA does not lie between the Democrats and republicans, it lies within the GOP itself. The democrats only need to not frighten the horses and, as long as the GOP is dominated by the anti-establishment extremists, they are a safe bet in future elections. The GOP has the far tougher job of trying to maintain the support of the extremists whilst trying to win back the moderates. I just don't think they are capable of doing that. All the more so if they lose more of their vote base to covid.
I'm slightly biased but I think that is too rosy a picture for the Democrats. I think this NYT piece sums it up well.
Have you noticed how Woke-ists always see the worst in people? If someone makes an ambiguous comment, for example, they always have to interpret it in the most negative way possible. They never give the benefit of the doubt. They are incredibly pessimistic about human nature. Wokeism is a totally regressive ideology.
Strawman argument from you.
Strawperson, if you're going to be Woke.
But I'm not woke.
You seem pretty woke to me mate, except when you talk about the French.
When did you last critique a woke take?
All the time, lumping all non white people into some homogeneous BAME group is a load of bollocks.
You might have seen me pretty cross when Corbyn said only Labour can unlock the potential of BAME people.
Apparently I have a lot in common with a black kid living on a council estate in London because we're BAME
That was a pretty hilariously un pc statement, from the outside. Even some what might be called woke lefties of my acquaintence found it cringeworthy.
Of course, lumping BAME together does make it easier to tickbox that you are doing things for or addressing things regarding all BAME people at once, which is convenient. Hispanics can probably relate.
Though I obviously have no personal experience or insight on such, admittedly.
It's bizarre, the likes of Enoch Powell said people like me couldn't be British/English.
Some people on the left are determined to make sure I get classified as anything but English/British.
How would you feel about American style hyphenation, such as African-American or Irish-American? British-Pakistani or English-South Asian, as some possible permutations.
Just seen Shaun Bailey's tweet. What's the problem with it?
Using a high profile death to further your political campaign isn’t that nice.
It might be, but it worked for Labour in 2017. The terrorist attacks had **** all to do with any cuts to police numbers, but Labour successfully weaponised the attacks.
I doubt Bailey will be as successful, mainly because the media won't be asking the "how could this possibly have been allowed to happen?" question.
The timeline was the other way round, Labour raised police numbers well before the Manchester Arena and the Borough Market attacks.
I read that on the Sunday and Monday Labour had planned to go heavily on law and order but the suspension of the campaign and a desire not to be seen as exploiting the attacks saw Labour pull the plans to focus on law and order for the rest of the campaign.
The Labour leader claimed a link between “wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home”, as he relaunched his party’s election campaign on Friday after the three-day pause.
In the speech, the Labour leader also linked the Manchester atrocity to Theresa May’s failure to ensure “the police have the resources they need”.
“There will be more police on the streets under a Labour government. And, if the security services need more resources to keep track of those who wish to murder and maim, then they should get them.”
How on earth did Theresa May end up losing on law and order to Jeremy Corbyn?
Brexit. Remainers were gunning for her and were happy to go into the sewer to stop her from winning.
Sadly ironic that it's led to where we are now.
Laughable. It was the Tory Leavers, with friend Boris egging on the pack, who humiliated and undermined Theresa at every opportunity.
During the election? I don't think so.
It's easy to forget, but he likes of Scott P on here took a lot of joy out of May's failure. And it was her failure.
Have you noticed how Woke-ists always see the worst in people? If someone makes an ambiguous comment, for example, they always have to interpret it in the most negative way possible. They never give the benefit of the doubt. They are incredibly pessimistic about human nature. Wokeism is a totally regressive ideology.
Strawman argument from you.
Strawperson, if you're going to be Woke.
But I'm not woke.
You seem pretty woke to me mate, except when you talk about the French.
When did you last critique a woke take?
All the time, lumping all non white people into some homogeneous BAME group is a load of bollocks.
You might have seen me pretty cross when Corbyn said only Labour can unlock the potential of BAME people.
Apparently I have a lot in common with a black kid living on a council estate in London because we're BAME
That was a pretty hilariously un pc statement, from the outside. Even some what might be called woke lefties of my acquaintence found it cringeworthy.
Of course, lumping BAME together does make it easier to tickbox that you are doing things for or addressing things regarding all BAME people at once, which is convenient. Hispanics can probably relate.
Though I obviously have no personal experience or insight on such, admittedly.
It's bizarre, the likes of Enoch Powell said people like me couldn't be British/English.
Some people on the left are determined to make sure I get classified as anything but English/British.
Well, you at least pass the Tebbit test, although I note a degree of extra enthusiasm/dismay when England play India.
As for your support of the England rugby team through thin and thinner, what more proof is needed that you a re a true Englishman?
Nope, my biggest dismay is when we lose to Australia.
It usually leads me to singing 'Get your shit stars off our flag.'
Across my WhatsApp groups there's only one story getting any talk, the dead girl in Clapham. It's honestly really shocking, one of my best friends lives in the area and she's really shaken up by it all and won't go out at night now until lockdown is over and the streets become busy again. I just keep thinking that could be my wife or one of my friends. If the guy they've arrested is guilty then they need to absolutely throw the book at him and give him a full life tariff. No second chance.
Just seen Shaun Bailey's tweet. What's the problem with it?
Using a high profile death to further your political campaign isn’t that nice.
It might be, but it worked for Labour in 2017. The terrorist attacks had **** all to do with any cuts to police numbers, but Labour successfully weaponised the attacks.
I doubt Bailey will be as successful, mainly because the media won't be asking the "how could this possibly have been allowed to happen?" question.
The timeline was the other way round, Labour raised police numbers well before the Manchester Arena and the Borough Market attacks.
I read that on the Sunday and Monday Labour had planned to go heavily on law and order but the suspension of the campaign and a desire not to be seen as exploiting the attacks saw Labour pull the plans to focus on law and order for the rest of the campaign.
The Labour leader claimed a link between “wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home”, as he relaunched his party’s election campaign on Friday after the three-day pause.
In the speech, the Labour leader also linked the Manchester atrocity to Theresa May’s failure to ensure “the police have the resources they need”.
“There will be more police on the streets under a Labour government. And, if the security services need more resources to keep track of those who wish to murder and maim, then they should get them.”
How on earth did Theresa May end up losing on law and order to Jeremy Corbyn?
Brexit. Remainers were gunning for her and were happy to go into the sewer to stop her from winning.
Sadly ironic that it's led to where we are now.
Nothing to do with Brexit. As others have said, May lost on law and order because she'd decimated the police and then there were two terrorist outrages during the election campaign.
May cut 20,000 coppers. Boris pledged to recruit 20,000 coppers. That's not a coincidence.
Have you noticed how Woke-ists always see the worst in people? If someone makes an ambiguous comment, for example, they always have to interpret it in the most negative way possible. They never give the benefit of the doubt. They are incredibly pessimistic about human nature. Wokeism is a totally regressive ideology.
Strawman argument from you.
Strawperson, if you're going to be Woke.
But I'm not woke.
You seem pretty woke to me mate, except when you talk about the French.
When did you last critique a woke take?
All the time, lumping all non white people into some homogeneous BAME group is a load of bollocks.
You might have seen me pretty cross when Corbyn said only Labour can unlock the potential of BAME people.
Apparently I have a lot in common with a black kid living on a council estate in London because we're BAME
That was a pretty hilariously un pc statement, from the outside. Even some what might be called woke lefties of my acquaintence found it cringeworthy.
Of course, lumping BAME together does make it easier to tickbox that you are doing things for or addressing things regarding all BAME people at once, which is convenient. Hispanics can probably relate.
Though I obviously have no personal experience or insight on such, admittedly.
It's bizarre, the likes of Enoch Powell said people like me couldn't be British/English.
Some people on the left are determined to make sure I get classified as anything but English/British.
How would you feel about American style hyphenation, such as African-American or Irish-American? British-Pakistani or English-South Asian, as some possible permutations.
Not particularly keen, I turn 43 this year, I think I've spent all of 5 weeks of my life in Pakistan, and three of those weeks were when I was 2.
Just seen Shaun Bailey's tweet. What's the problem with it?
Using a high profile death to further your political campaign isn’t that nice.
It might be, but it worked for Labour in 2017. The terrorist attacks had **** all to do with any cuts to police numbers, but Labour successfully weaponised the attacks.
I doubt Bailey will be as successful, mainly because the media won't be asking the "how could this possibly have been allowed to happen?" question.
The timeline was the other way round, Labour raised police numbers well before the Manchester Arena and the Borough Market attacks.
I read that on the Sunday and Monday Labour had planned to go heavily on law and order but the suspension of the campaign and a desire not to be seen as exploiting the attacks saw Labour pull the plans to focus on law and order for the rest of the campaign.
The Labour leader claimed a link between “wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home”, as he relaunched his party’s election campaign on Friday after the three-day pause.
In the speech, the Labour leader also linked the Manchester atrocity to Theresa May’s failure to ensure “the police have the resources they need”.
“There will be more police on the streets under a Labour government. And, if the security services need more resources to keep track of those who wish to murder and maim, then they should get them.”
How on earth did Theresa May end up losing on law and order to Jeremy Corbyn?
Brexit. Remainers were gunning for her and were happy to go into the sewer to stop her from winning.
Sadly ironic that it's led to where we are now.
Laughable. It was the Tory Leavers, with friend Boris egging on the pack, who humiliated and undermined Theresa at every opportunity.
During the election? I don't think so.
It's easy to forget, but he likes of Scott P on here took a lot of joy out of May's failure. And it was her failure.
Just seen Shaun Bailey's tweet. What's the problem with it?
Using a high profile death to further your political campaign isn’t that nice.
It might be, but it worked for Labour in 2017. The terrorist attacks had **** all to do with any cuts to police numbers, but Labour successfully weaponised the attacks.
I doubt Bailey will be as successful, mainly because the media won't be asking the "how could this possibly have been allowed to happen?" question.
The timeline was the other way round, Labour raised police numbers well before the Manchester Arena and the Borough Market attacks.
I read that on the Sunday and Monday Labour had planned to go heavily on law and order but the suspension of the campaign and a desire not to be seen as exploiting the attacks saw Labour pull the plans to focus on law and order for the rest of the campaign.
The Labour leader claimed a link between “wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home”, as he relaunched his party’s election campaign on Friday after the three-day pause.
In the speech, the Labour leader also linked the Manchester atrocity to Theresa May’s failure to ensure “the police have the resources they need”.
“There will be more police on the streets under a Labour government. And, if the security services need more resources to keep track of those who wish to murder and maim, then they should get them.”
How on earth did Theresa May end up losing on law and order to Jeremy Corbyn?
Brexit. Remainers were gunning for her and were happy to go into the sewer to stop her from winning.
Sadly ironic that it's led to where we are now.
Laughable. It was the Tory Leavers, with friend Boris egging on the pack, who humiliated and undermined Theresa at every opportunity.
During the election? I don't think so.
It's easy to forget, but he likes of Scott P on here took a lot of joy out of May's failure. And it was her failure.
Just seen Shaun Bailey's tweet. What's the problem with it?
Using a high profile death to further your political campaign isn’t that nice.
It might be, but it worked for Labour in 2017. The terrorist attacks had **** all to do with any cuts to police numbers, but Labour successfully weaponised the attacks.
I doubt Bailey will be as successful, mainly because the media won't be asking the "how could this possibly have been allowed to happen?" question.
The timeline was the other way round, Labour raised police numbers well before the Manchester Arena and the Borough Market attacks.
I read that on the Sunday and Monday Labour had planned to go heavily on law and order but the suspension of the campaign and a desire not to be seen as exploiting the attacks saw Labour pull the plans to focus on law and order for the rest of the campaign.
The Labour leader claimed a link between “wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home”, as he relaunched his party’s election campaign on Friday after the three-day pause.
In the speech, the Labour leader also linked the Manchester atrocity to Theresa May’s failure to ensure “the police have the resources they need”.
“There will be more police on the streets under a Labour government. And, if the security services need more resources to keep track of those who wish to murder and maim, then they should get them.”
How on earth did Theresa May end up losing on law and order to Jeremy Corbyn?
Brexit. Remainers were gunning for her and were happy to go into the sewer to stop her from winning.
Sadly ironic that it's led to where we are now.
Which is ironic because she only got the job because the majority of Tory MPs in 2016 were Remainers and picked one of their own rather than going for a Leaver.
She of course was utterly inept and inappropriate besides Brexit, but ended up in a messy position of neither winning the support of Remainers nor Leavers.
Tory MPs should have chosen a Brexiteer in 2016. Thankfully they didn't make the same mistake twice, and the rest is history.
That is not why Theresa May became Prime Minister. Think back to the leadership contest. Of the two prominent Brexiteers, Boris withdrew and Gove fell because he'd sabotaged Boris. At the final two, CCHQ wet itself and unleashed the hounds of hell on Andrea Leadsom so Theresa May won by default.
The irony is that many suspect May was a leaver posing as a remainer, whereas Boris was a remainer posing as a leaver.
Have you noticed how Woke-ists always see the worst in people? If someone makes an ambiguous comment, for example, they always have to interpret it in the most negative way possible. They never give the benefit of the doubt. They are incredibly pessimistic about human nature. Wokeism is a totally regressive ideology.
Strawman argument from you.
Strawperson, if you're going to be Woke.
But I'm not woke.
You seem pretty woke to me mate, except when you talk about the French.
When did you last critique a woke take?
All the time, lumping all non white people into some homogeneous BAME group is a load of bollocks.
You might have seen me pretty cross when Corbyn said only Labour can unlock the potential of BAME people.
Apparently I have a lot in common with a black kid living on a council estate in London because we're BAME
That was a pretty hilariously un pc statement, from the outside. Even some what might be called woke lefties of my acquaintence found it cringeworthy.
Of course, lumping BAME together does make it easier to tickbox that you are doing things for or addressing things regarding all BAME people at once, which is convenient. Hispanics can probably relate.
Though I obviously have no personal experience or insight on such, admittedly.
It's bizarre, the likes of Enoch Powell said people like me couldn't be British/English.
Some people on the left are determined to make sure I get classified as anything but English/British.
How would you feel about American style hyphenation, such as African-American or Irish-American? British-Pakistani or English-South Asian, as some possible permutations.
Not particularly keen, I turn 43 this year, I think I've spent all of 5 weeks of my life in Pakistan, and three of those weeks were when I was 2.
I dread to think how to further hyphenate it given how mixed backgrounds can be. British-English-Irish. British-Welsh-Ghanaian. Scottish-Italian-Swedish-British
I can see why the census has kept the ethnicity question as simple as it thinks it can
Just seen Shaun Bailey's tweet. What's the problem with it?
Using a high profile death to further your political campaign isn’t that nice.
It might be, but it worked for Labour in 2017. The terrorist attacks had **** all to do with any cuts to police numbers, but Labour successfully weaponised the attacks.
I doubt Bailey will be as successful, mainly because the media won't be asking the "how could this possibly have been allowed to happen?" question.
The timeline was the other way round, Labour raised police numbers well before the Manchester Arena and the Borough Market attacks.
I read that on the Sunday and Monday Labour had planned to go heavily on law and order but the suspension of the campaign and a desire not to be seen as exploiting the attacks saw Labour pull the plans to focus on law and order for the rest of the campaign.
The Labour leader claimed a link between “wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home”, as he relaunched his party’s election campaign on Friday after the three-day pause.
In the speech, the Labour leader also linked the Manchester atrocity to Theresa May’s failure to ensure “the police have the resources they need”.
“There will be more police on the streets under a Labour government. And, if the security services need more resources to keep track of those who wish to murder and maim, then they should get them.”
How on earth did Theresa May end up losing on law and order to Jeremy Corbyn?
Brexit. Remainers were gunning for her and were happy to go into the sewer to stop her from winning.
Sadly ironic that it's led to where we are now.
Laughable. It was the Tory Leavers, with friend Boris egging on the pack, who humiliated and undermined Theresa at every opportunity.
During the election? I don't think so.
It's easy to forget, but he likes of Scott P on here took a lot of joy out of May's failure. And it was her failure.
Have you noticed how Woke-ists always see the worst in people? If someone makes an ambiguous comment, for example, they always have to interpret it in the most negative way possible. They never give the benefit of the doubt. They are incredibly pessimistic about human nature. Wokeism is a totally regressive ideology.
Strawman argument from you.
Strawperson, if you're going to be Woke.
But I'm not woke.
You seem pretty woke to me mate, except when you talk about the French.
When did you last critique a woke take?
All the time, lumping all non white people into some homogeneous BAME group is a load of bollocks.
You might have seen me pretty cross when Corbyn said only Labour can unlock the potential of BAME people.
Apparently I have a lot in common with a black kid living on a council estate in London because we're BAME
That was a pretty hilariously un pc statement, from the outside. Even some what might be called woke lefties of my acquaintence found it cringeworthy.
Of course, lumping BAME together does make it easier to tickbox that you are doing things for or addressing things regarding all BAME people at once, which is convenient. Hispanics can probably relate.
Though I obviously have no personal experience or insight on such, admittedly.
It's bizarre, the likes of Enoch Powell said people like me couldn't be British/English.
Some people on the left are determined to make sure I get classified as anything but English/British.
How would you feel about American style hyphenation, such as African-American or Irish-American? British-Pakistani or English-South Asian, as some possible permutations.
Not particularly keen, I turn 43 this year, I think I've spent all of 5 weeks of my life in Pakistan, and three of those weeks were when I was 2.
In America it means heritage. Most African Americans are a dozen generations away from Africa for example, but in a country where most are of a hundred generations in country, it could be interpreted differently.
Just seen Shaun Bailey's tweet. What's the problem with it?
Using a high profile death to further your political campaign isn’t that nice.
It might be, but it worked for Labour in 2017. The terrorist attacks had **** all to do with any cuts to police numbers, but Labour successfully weaponised the attacks.
I doubt Bailey will be as successful, mainly because the media won't be asking the "how could this possibly have been allowed to happen?" question.
The timeline was the other way round, Labour raised police numbers well before the Manchester Arena and the Borough Market attacks.
I read that on the Sunday and Monday Labour had planned to go heavily on law and order but the suspension of the campaign and a desire not to be seen as exploiting the attacks saw Labour pull the plans to focus on law and order for the rest of the campaign.
The Labour leader claimed a link between “wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home”, as he relaunched his party’s election campaign on Friday after the three-day pause.
In the speech, the Labour leader also linked the Manchester atrocity to Theresa May’s failure to ensure “the police have the resources they need”.
“There will be more police on the streets under a Labour government. And, if the security services need more resources to keep track of those who wish to murder and maim, then they should get them.”
How on earth did Theresa May end up losing on law and order to Jeremy Corbyn?
Brexit. Remainers were gunning for her and were happy to go into the sewer to stop her from winning.
Sadly ironic that it's led to where we are now.
Laughable. It was the Tory Leavers, with friend Boris egging on the pack, who humiliated and undermined Theresa at every opportunity.
During the election? I don't think so.
It's easy to forget, but he likes of Scott P on here took a lot of joy out of May's failure. And it was her failure.
Across my WhatsApp groups there's only one story getting any talk, the dead girl in Clapham. It's honestly really shocking, one of my best friends lives in the area and she's really shaken up by it all and won't go out at night now until lockdown is over and the streets become busy again. I just keep thinking that could be my wife or one of my friends. If the guy they've arrested is guilty then they need to absolutely throw the book at him and give him a full life tariff. No second chance.
These situations are always difficult. We don't know the full details of what's gone on, but it is very rare for someone to be the victim of a random attack by a stranger.
Just seen Shaun Bailey's tweet. What's the problem with it?
Using a high profile death to further your political campaign isn’t that nice.
It might be, but it worked for Labour in 2017. The terrorist attacks had **** all to do with any cuts to police numbers, but Labour successfully weaponised the attacks.
I doubt Bailey will be as successful, mainly because the media won't be asking the "how could this possibly have been allowed to happen?" question.
The timeline was the other way round, Labour raised police numbers well before the Manchester Arena and the Borough Market attacks.
I read that on the Sunday and Monday Labour had planned to go heavily on law and order but the suspension of the campaign and a desire not to be seen as exploiting the attacks saw Labour pull the plans to focus on law and order for the rest of the campaign.
The Labour leader claimed a link between “wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home”, as he relaunched his party’s election campaign on Friday after the three-day pause.
In the speech, the Labour leader also linked the Manchester atrocity to Theresa May’s failure to ensure “the police have the resources they need”.
“There will be more police on the streets under a Labour government. And, if the security services need more resources to keep track of those who wish to murder and maim, then they should get them.”
How on earth did Theresa May end up losing on law and order to Jeremy Corbyn?
Brexit. Remainers were gunning for her and were happy to go into the sewer to stop her from winning.
Sadly ironic that it's led to where we are now.
Laughable. It was the Tory Leavers, with friend Boris egging on the pack, who humiliated and undermined Theresa at every opportunity.
During the election? I don't think so.
It's easy to forget, but he likes of Scott P on here took a lot of joy out of May's failure. And it was her failure.
And the odious twerp kept his job until 2019. Another mistake by May.
Wasn't the suggestion that she sidelined him during the campaign with a view to sacking him after her landslide victory?
Yes.
Didn't Theresa have a bit of a swoon thing for DD - that dangerous blond hair, those raffish but O so kissable lips! - so presumably he was earmarked for the chancellorship. Small mercies and all that.
I quite like Hammond right up until the point, like every other centrist politician in recent history seemingly he sold himself to the highest bidder, in his case the house of Saud. Went right off him after that.
Not just now, has long been the case. This shows quite a swing towards H&M from the figures you were glibly reporting over the weekend, but you never mentioned that, funny that!
PS where's Camilla's figures? Surely you should contrast Meghan with her?
Perhaps the weeks of anti-Harry and anti-Meghan nonsense in The Sun, Mail and Express are wearing off.
H&M have faced the kind of vitriol usually observed for Labour Party leaders.
The whole thing seems to shake down to the snide racism of these papers.
No doubt the Royal Family has its racist element too, as do most families, but they're managable and of little consequence. It's the tabloid press that H&M are gunning for.
If that is the case then they have been bloody stupid.
Last week they were winning cases against the Mail and rightly getting sympathy, at least in some quarters, for the way the Press have behaved. This week their idiotic interview and obvious petulance about not being treated exactly as they wanted by the Royal Family means that much of that sympathy will have evaporated. Going after the papers was winning them friends. Going after the Royal Family definitely does not.
Played better to the intended audience perhaps. That said, if their main target is the press, then airing family stuff is a distraction from that. However, that said again, if the mental health issue is the key then attacking the family is unavoidable because of the failed to help angle.
Bit of a dichotomy. Going after the papers that they desperately need to keep them in the limelight...
It's clearly a symbiotic arrangement. I don't doubt Harry in particular sincerely despises the press, but he's also clearly not against utilising the media to get attention in the ways he wants, and not merely to bring attention to the causes he is interested in, since the last few weeks build up and the aftermath certainly haven't led to any such focus. Even if his wife is leading on things he is clearly aboard for the ride.
Have you noticed how Woke-ists always see the worst in people? If someone makes an ambiguous comment, for example, they always have to interpret it in the most negative way possible. They never give the benefit of the doubt. They are incredibly pessimistic about human nature. Wokeism is a totally regressive ideology.
Strawman argument from you.
Strawperson, if you're going to be Woke.
But I'm not woke.
You seem pretty woke to me mate, except when you talk about the French.
When did you last critique a woke take?
All the time, lumping all non white people into some homogeneous BAME group is a load of bollocks.
You might have seen me pretty cross when Corbyn said only Labour can unlock the potential of BAME people.
Apparently I have a lot in common with a black kid living on a council estate in London because we're BAME
That was a pretty hilariously un pc statement, from the outside. Even some what might be called woke lefties of my acquaintence found it cringeworthy.
Of course, lumping BAME together does make it easier to tickbox that you are doing things for or addressing things regarding all BAME people at once, which is convenient. Hispanics can probably relate.
Though I obviously have no personal experience or insight on such, admittedly.
It's bizarre, the likes of Enoch Powell said people like me couldn't be British/English.
Some people on the left are determined to make sure I get classified as anything but English/British.
How would you feel about American style hyphenation, such as African-American or Irish-American? British-Pakistani or English-South Asian, as some possible permutations.
Not particularly keen, I turn 43 this year, I think I've spent all of 5 weeks of my life in Pakistan, and three of those weeks were when I was 2.
If you can be White British, or Black British, why not Brown British? Then there's no need to mention the name of a country other than Britain.
Just seen Shaun Bailey's tweet. What's the problem with it?
Using a high profile death to further your political campaign isn’t that nice.
It might be, but it worked for Labour in 2017. The terrorist attacks had **** all to do with any cuts to police numbers, but Labour successfully weaponised the attacks.
I doubt Bailey will be as successful, mainly because the media won't be asking the "how could this possibly have been allowed to happen?" question.
The timeline was the other way round, Labour raised police numbers well before the Manchester Arena and the Borough Market attacks.
I read that on the Sunday and Monday Labour had planned to go heavily on law and order but the suspension of the campaign and a desire not to be seen as exploiting the attacks saw Labour pull the plans to focus on law and order for the rest of the campaign.
The Labour leader claimed a link between “wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home”, as he relaunched his party’s election campaign on Friday after the three-day pause.
In the speech, the Labour leader also linked the Manchester atrocity to Theresa May’s failure to ensure “the police have the resources they need”.
“There will be more police on the streets under a Labour government. And, if the security services need more resources to keep track of those who wish to murder and maim, then they should get them.”
How on earth did Theresa May end up losing on law and order to Jeremy Corbyn?
Truly the worst possible PM, if not Tory Leader, in centuries.
Hard to tell which is worse, Theresa May or IDS but thankfully the latter never became PM.
IDS was a more successful Tory leader at the ballot box than he is given credit for. Tory backbenchers had become demoralised by IDS's weekly pasting by Blair at PMQs and ignored the better-than-expected local and European election results.
The lessons are, first, that whoever coined the Conservative leadership election cliché about "the most sophisticated electorate in the world" was a steaming ninny, and secondly that PMQs do not matter at all to the public but are vital for party morale. IDS was robbed!!
Fake news, the European election results were under Howard.
Sorry -- just the locals then. The point remains that IDS did better with the public than with backbenchers, and that PMQs is why.
Have you noticed how Woke-ists always see the worst in people? If someone makes an ambiguous comment, for example, they always have to interpret it in the most negative way possible. They never give the benefit of the doubt. They are incredibly pessimistic about human nature. Wokeism is a totally regressive ideology.
Strawman argument from you.
Strawperson, if you're going to be Woke.
But I'm not woke.
You seem pretty woke to me mate, except when you talk about the French.
When did you last critique a woke take?
All the time, lumping all non white people into some homogeneous BAME group is a load of bollocks.
You might have seen me pretty cross when Corbyn said only Labour can unlock the potential of BAME people.
Apparently I have a lot in common with a black kid living on a council estate in London because we're BAME
That was a pretty hilariously un pc statement, from the outside. Even some what might be called woke lefties of my acquaintence found it cringeworthy.
Of course, lumping BAME together does make it easier to tickbox that you are doing things for or addressing things regarding all BAME people at once, which is convenient. Hispanics can probably relate.
Though I obviously have no personal experience or insight on such, admittedly.
It's bizarre, the likes of Enoch Powell said people like me couldn't be British/English.
Some people on the left are determined to make sure I get classified as anything but English/British.
How would you feel about American style hyphenation, such as African-American or Irish-American? British-Pakistani or English-South Asian, as some possible permutations.
Not particularly keen, I turn 43 this year, I think I've spent all of 5 weeks of my life in Pakistan, and three of those weeks were when I was 2.
I dread to think how to further hyphenate it given how mixed backgrounds can be. British-English-Irish. British-Welsh-Ghanaian. Scottish-Italian-Swedish-British
I can see why the census has kept the ethnicity question as simple as it thinks it can
Well I'm technically British-Pakistani, my ex wife's heritage is Irish-Scouse.
I feel sorry for my kids when they start having to fill in heritage/background questions in the future.
I quite like Hammond right up until the point, like every other centrist politician in recent history seemingly he sold himself to the highest bidder, in his case the house of Saud. Went right off him after that.
Mind you. If you intend to sell yourself, you could do worse than the Saudis.
Just seen Shaun Bailey's tweet. What's the problem with it?
Using a high profile death to further your political campaign isn’t that nice.
It might be, but it worked for Labour in 2017. The terrorist attacks had **** all to do with any cuts to police numbers, but Labour successfully weaponised the attacks.
I doubt Bailey will be as successful, mainly because the media won't be asking the "how could this possibly have been allowed to happen?" question.
The timeline was the other way round, Labour raised police numbers well before the Manchester Arena and the Borough Market attacks.
I read that on the Sunday and Monday Labour had planned to go heavily on law and order but the suspension of the campaign and a desire not to be seen as exploiting the attacks saw Labour pull the plans to focus on law and order for the rest of the campaign.
The Labour leader claimed a link between “wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home”, as he relaunched his party’s election campaign on Friday after the three-day pause.
In the speech, the Labour leader also linked the Manchester atrocity to Theresa May’s failure to ensure “the police have the resources they need”.
“There will be more police on the streets under a Labour government. And, if the security services need more resources to keep track of those who wish to murder and maim, then they should get them.”
How on earth did Theresa May end up losing on law and order to Jeremy Corbyn?
Brexit. Remainers were gunning for her and were happy to go into the sewer to stop her from winning.
Sadly ironic that it's led to where we are now.
Laughable. It was the Tory Leavers, with friend Boris egging on the pack, who humiliated and undermined Theresa at every opportunity.
During the election? I don't think so.
It's easy to forget, but he likes of Scott P on here took a lot of joy out of May's failure. And it was her failure.
Just seen Shaun Bailey's tweet. What's the problem with it?
Using a high profile death to further your political campaign isn’t that nice.
It might be, but it worked for Labour in 2017. The terrorist attacks had **** all to do with any cuts to police numbers, but Labour successfully weaponised the attacks.
I doubt Bailey will be as successful, mainly because the media won't be asking the "how could this possibly have been allowed to happen?" question.
The timeline was the other way round, Labour raised police numbers well before the Manchester Arena and the Borough Market attacks.
I read that on the Sunday and Monday Labour had planned to go heavily on law and order but the suspension of the campaign and a desire not to be seen as exploiting the attacks saw Labour pull the plans to focus on law and order for the rest of the campaign.
The Labour leader claimed a link between “wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home”, as he relaunched his party’s election campaign on Friday after the three-day pause.
In the speech, the Labour leader also linked the Manchester atrocity to Theresa May’s failure to ensure “the police have the resources they need”.
“There will be more police on the streets under a Labour government. And, if the security services need more resources to keep track of those who wish to murder and maim, then they should get them.”
How on earth did Theresa May end up losing on law and order to Jeremy Corbyn?
Truly the worst possible PM, if not Tory Leader, in centuries.
Hard to tell which is worse, Theresa May or IDS but thankfully the latter never became PM.
IDS was a more successful Tory leader at the ballot box than he is given credit for. Tory backbenchers had become demoralised by IDS's weekly pasting by Blair at PMQs and ignored the better-than-expected local and European election results.
The lessons are, first, that whoever coined the Conservative leadership election cliché about "the most sophisticated electorate in the world" was a steaming ninny, and secondly that PMQs do not matter at all to the public but are vital for party morale. IDS was robbed!!
Fake news, the European election results were under Howard.
Sorry -- just the locals then. The point remains that IDS did better with the public than with backbenchers, and that PMQs is why.
It wasn't just MPs it was also donors he was scaring away.
The problem for IDS was that it was felt that the Hutton report might just topple Blair but IDS wasn't the man for that, that's why they chose the QC Michael Howard for that role.
Not just now, has long been the case. This shows quite a swing towards H&M from the figures you were glibly reporting over the weekend, but you never mentioned that, funny that!
PS where's Camilla's figures? Surely you should contrast Meghan with her?
Perhaps the weeks of anti-Harry and anti-Meghan nonsense in The Sun, Mail and Express are wearing off.
H&M have faced the kind of vitriol usually observed for Labour Party leaders.
The whole thing seems to shake down to the snide racism of these papers.
No doubt the Royal Family has its racist element too, as do most families, but they're managable and of little consequence. It's the tabloid press that H&M are gunning for.
If that is the case then they have been bloody stupid.
Last week they were winning cases against the Mail and rightly getting sympathy, at least in some quarters, for the way the Press have behaved. This week their idiotic interview and obvious petulance about not being treated exactly as they wanted by the Royal Family means that much of that sympathy will have evaporated. Going after the papers was winning them friends. Going after the Royal Family definitely does not.
Played better to the intended audience perhaps. That said, if their main target is the press, then airing family stuff is a distraction from that. However, that said again, if the mental health issue is the key then attacking the family is unavoidable because of the failed to help angle.
Bit of a dichotomy. Going after the papers that they desperately need to keep them in the limelight...
It's clearly a symbiotic arrangement. I don't doubt Harry in particular sincerely despises the press, but he's also clearly not against utilising the media to get attention in the ways he wants, and not merely to bring attention to the causes he is interested in, since the last few weeks build up and the aftermath certainly haven't led to any such focus. Even if his wife is leading on things he is clearly aboard for the ride.
Do you think he is being bullied?
By whom? His wife? Of course not, I see no reason to believe they are not in lockstep and happy together as a family. The press? By nature of his background and upbringing he's the focus of a lot of their attention and some of it will be pretty nasty, so to a degree perhaps. But he courts press attention as well, and utilises it for his benefit, so I'd say probably not.
I think bullying is a very difficult thing to define. It can be single incident, but also over a period. Can someone be mean without bullying, yes probably. Can someone feel bullied when it was not intended, yes. Does the intent of the alleged bully matter, it depends.
Its a shame the Premier League mysteriously got cancelled in Christmas and there's been no fixtures this year, I wonder why that happened, but at least the Champions League is still going on. 😉
If you've ever heard the phonecall that Prince Charles had with Camilla Parker Bowles about being reincarnated as her tampon, you'll know he has a filthy mind – but we didn't know he had a mouth to match.
Prince Harry was supposed to do an event with Charles recently, but ended up pulling out at the last minute. This caused some unhelpful complications for the event staff but when an organiser complained about it, Charles suggested they cut the boy a bit of slack.
Why? Because, he said, Harry is a little "c*nt-struck" right now.
FYI: It's not a one-off. Prince Charles is supposedly a big fan of the C-word.
Have you noticed how Woke-ists always see the worst in people? If someone makes an ambiguous comment, for example, they always have to interpret it in the most negative way possible. They never give the benefit of the doubt. They are incredibly pessimistic about human nature. Wokeism is a totally regressive ideology.
Strawman argument from you.
Strawperson, if you're going to be Woke.
But I'm not woke.
You seem pretty woke to me mate, except when you talk about the French.
When did you last critique a woke take?
All the time, lumping all non white people into some homogeneous BAME group is a load of bollocks.
You might have seen me pretty cross when Corbyn said only Labour can unlock the potential of BAME people.
Apparently I have a lot in common with a black kid living on a council estate in London because we're BAME
That was a pretty hilariously un pc statement, from the outside. Even some what might be called woke lefties of my acquaintence found it cringeworthy.
Of course, lumping BAME together does make it easier to tickbox that you are doing things for or addressing things regarding all BAME people at once, which is convenient. Hispanics can probably relate.
Though I obviously have no personal experience or insight on such, admittedly.
It's bizarre, the likes of Enoch Powell said people like me couldn't be British/English.
Some people on the left are determined to make sure I get classified as anything but English/British.
Alphabet soup acronyms have their place. They're useful for statisticians and for people looking for catch-all terms that cover 'people not of the majority characteristic.' I think that BAME has gained such currency because the obvious alternative term is 'non-white' and that's viewed as suspect because it's typically exclusive of Jews and Romany people. But I sympathise completely with the problem of it spilling over from a well-meaning effort to find a catch-all term for minority persons to describing a 'community', when there is patently no such thing as a BAME community. And it's a great deal worse when the argument for the existence of a BAME community is then developed to suggest that the BAME community is necessarily excluded from or separate to the rest of society.
We have similar issues with the even more dubious LGBTQIA+ alphabet soup 'community', which again does not actually exist beyond activist circles, and at least some of the component parts of which arguably have even less to do with one another than the members of the various BAME groups, who at least may have negative experiences specifically of racial discrimination in common.
Under certain circumstances and in certain situations, gay men experience discrimination and abuse, trans people experience discrimination and abuse, Muslims experience discrimination and abuse and black people experience discrimination and abuse. Quite why, as a white, gay bloke, I should be expected to have some superior affinity with and understanding of people with gender dysphoria, but not with black or Islamic people, is never adequate explained.
It isn't racist for a mother and father to talk about what their child is going to be like obviously. What may be racist is somebody (related or not) discussing whether or not they should change the rules about grandchildren of the monarch becoming an automatic Prince and commenting about possible skin colour in the same conversation, maybe.
Mrs Ed reckons it's Prince William who said this. I think that's a decent bet.
Either Wills or Daddy. That's why Harry is speaking to neither much on the phone.
William told Harry he was making a mistake in marrying Meghan. Harry (understandably) sided with his fiancée as was.
You're someone I listen to very closely on those matters because, given the circles you move in, you know what you're talking about.
But, if that was the case, how come he was still the best man and they both seemed ok together on the day?
Papering over the cracks?
Surely that is because a concern was expressed, and Harry chose to ignore. "William advises, Harry decides".
Just seen Shaun Bailey's tweet. What's the problem with it?
Using a high profile death to further your political campaign isn’t that nice.
It might be, but it worked for Labour in 2017. The terrorist attacks had **** all to do with any cuts to police numbers, but Labour successfully weaponised the attacks.
I doubt Bailey will be as successful, mainly because the media won't be asking the "how could this possibly have been allowed to happen?" question.
The timeline was the other way round, Labour raised police numbers well before the Manchester Arena and the Borough Market attacks.
I read that on the Sunday and Monday Labour had planned to go heavily on law and order but the suspension of the campaign and a desire not to be seen as exploiting the attacks saw Labour pull the plans to focus on law and order for the rest of the campaign.
The Labour leader claimed a link between “wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home”, as he relaunched his party’s election campaign on Friday after the three-day pause.
In the speech, the Labour leader also linked the Manchester atrocity to Theresa May’s failure to ensure “the police have the resources they need”.
“There will be more police on the streets under a Labour government. And, if the security services need more resources to keep track of those who wish to murder and maim, then they should get them.”
How on earth did Theresa May end up losing on law and order to Jeremy Corbyn?
Brexit. Remainers were gunning for her and were happy to go into the sewer to stop her from winning.
Sadly ironic that it's led to where we are now.
Laughable. It was the Tory Leavers, with friend Boris egging on the pack, who humiliated and undermined Theresa at every opportunity.
During the election? I don't think so.
It's easy to forget, but he likes of Scott P on here took a lot of joy out of May's failure. And it was her failure.
And the odious twerp kept his job until 2019. Another mistake by May.
Wasn't the suggestion that she sidelined him during the campaign with a view to sacking him after her landslide victory?
As she should have, but she didn't sack him.
She didn't have a landslide victory, which meant she was in a very precarious position.
Well yes, she should have resigned.
The Party should have sacked her.
Hammond should have been sacked.
Regretfully it took years for any of this to happen.
No she shouldn't have resigned. The party did not say they no longer backed her and there was no indication who they wanted or who else would command the confidence of the Commons.
That's down to the weakness or cowardice of others, but if no one else was going to step up to seek to remove her, why would she think they wanted her to?
Just seen Shaun Bailey's tweet. What's the problem with it?
Using a high profile death to further your political campaign isn’t that nice.
It might be, but it worked for Labour in 2017. The terrorist attacks had **** all to do with any cuts to police numbers, but Labour successfully weaponised the attacks.
I doubt Bailey will be as successful, mainly because the media won't be asking the "how could this possibly have been allowed to happen?" question.
The timeline was the other way round, Labour raised police numbers well before the Manchester Arena and the Borough Market attacks.
I read that on the Sunday and Monday Labour had planned to go heavily on law and order but the suspension of the campaign and a desire not to be seen as exploiting the attacks saw Labour pull the plans to focus on law and order for the rest of the campaign.
The Labour leader claimed a link between “wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home”, as he relaunched his party’s election campaign on Friday after the three-day pause.
In the speech, the Labour leader also linked the Manchester atrocity to Theresa May’s failure to ensure “the police have the resources they need”.
“There will be more police on the streets under a Labour government. And, if the security services need more resources to keep track of those who wish to murder and maim, then they should get them.”
How on earth did Theresa May end up losing on law and order to Jeremy Corbyn?
Truly the worst possible PM, if not Tory Leader, in centuries.
Hard to tell which is worse, Theresa May or IDS but thankfully the latter never became PM.
IDS was a more successful Tory leader at the ballot box than he is given credit for. Tory backbenchers had become demoralised by IDS's weekly pasting by Blair at PMQs and ignored the better-than-expected local and European election results.
The lessons are, first, that whoever coined the Conservative leadership election cliché about "the most sophisticated electorate in the world" was a steaming ninny, and secondly that PMQs do not matter at all to the public but are vital for party morale. IDS was robbed!!
Fake news, the European election results were under Howard.
Sorry -- just the locals then. The point remains that IDS did better with the public than with backbenchers, and that PMQs is why.
It wasn't just MPs it was also donors he was scaring away.
The problem for IDS was that it was felt that the Hutton report might just topple Blair but IDS wasn't the man for that, that's why they chose the QC Michael Howard for that role.
I also recall a couple of polls showing the Lib Dems on the verge of overtaking the Tories. I never heard that about the Hutton report - ironic considering Howard's parliamentary response to it (not that he had much to work with mind) was deemed a pitifully poor effort.
Its a shame the Premier League mysteriously got cancelled in Christmas and there's been no fixtures this year, I wonder why that happened, but at least the Champions League is still going on. 😉
Liverpool may have stopped playing at Christmas but everyone else carried on.
Have you noticed how Woke-ists always see the worst in people? If someone makes an ambiguous comment, for example, they always have to interpret it in the most negative way possible. They never give the benefit of the doubt. They are incredibly pessimistic about human nature. Wokeism is a totally regressive ideology.
Strawman argument from you.
Strawperson, if you're going to be Woke.
But I'm not woke.
You seem pretty woke to me mate, except when you talk about the French.
When did you last critique a woke take?
All the time, lumping all non white people into some homogeneous BAME group is a load of bollocks.
You might have seen me pretty cross when Corbyn said only Labour can unlock the potential of BAME people.
Apparently I have a lot in common with a black kid living on a council estate in London because we're BAME
That was a pretty hilariously un pc statement, from the outside. Even some what might be called woke lefties of my acquaintence found it cringeworthy.
Of course, lumping BAME together does make it easier to tickbox that you are doing things for or addressing things regarding all BAME people at once, which is convenient. Hispanics can probably relate.
Though I obviously have no personal experience or insight on such, admittedly.
It's bizarre, the likes of Enoch Powell said people like me couldn't be British/English.
Some people on the left are determined to make sure I get classified as anything but English/British.
There’s a really interesting split with some oldies, dynamic heathy handsome people like me in my late thirties, and the annoying youth. I think my generation mostly just thinks “every citizen is British and let’s embrace the cultures we have here - even the Welsh” as a reaction to the nonsense equivocations from the oldies. Young folk seem to want to bring the complexity and racism back, albeit unintentionally.
I tend to see that as recursive identity politics needed so that activists can justify a further round of attention-seeking. Admittedly a jaundiced view.
LONDON — The U.K. does not have an export ban on COVID-19 vaccines — it doesn't need one.
Instead, the government designed clever contracts with suppliers and made key investments for vaccine production to ensure its domestic population is served first.
For all those wondering what the AI thinks about this:
Is Meghan a liar? That depends on who you ask. When Americans meet Meghan, they assume she is British. And with her British accent and perfect grammar, it would be easy to believe her when she says "Yes" when asked if she's American. But Meghan isn't British; nor is she American. Her truth isn't an illusion; it's real...but it's not the truth we expect.
She can't be British. I don't think she always played villains in films.
I don't think her accent is particularly from these isles tbh.
Just seen Shaun Bailey's tweet. What's the problem with it?
Using a high profile death to further your political campaign isn’t that nice.
It might be, but it worked for Labour in 2017. The terrorist attacks had **** all to do with any cuts to police numbers, but Labour successfully weaponised the attacks.
I doubt Bailey will be as successful, mainly because the media won't be asking the "how could this possibly have been allowed to happen?" question.
The timeline was the other way round, Labour raised police numbers well before the Manchester Arena and the Borough Market attacks.
I read that on the Sunday and Monday Labour had planned to go heavily on law and order but the suspension of the campaign and a desire not to be seen as exploiting the attacks saw Labour pull the plans to focus on law and order for the rest of the campaign.
The Labour leader claimed a link between “wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home”, as he relaunched his party’s election campaign on Friday after the three-day pause.
In the speech, the Labour leader also linked the Manchester atrocity to Theresa May’s failure to ensure “the police have the resources they need”.
“There will be more police on the streets under a Labour government. And, if the security services need more resources to keep track of those who wish to murder and maim, then they should get them.”
How on earth did Theresa May end up losing on law and order to Jeremy Corbyn?
Truly the worst possible PM, if not Tory Leader, in centuries.
Hard to tell which is worse, Theresa May or IDS but thankfully the latter never became PM.
IDS was a more successful Tory leader at the ballot box than he is given credit for. Tory backbenchers had become demoralised by IDS's weekly pasting by Blair at PMQs and ignored the better-than-expected local and European election results.
The lessons are, first, that whoever coined the Conservative leadership election cliché about "the most sophisticated electorate in the world" was a steaming ninny, and secondly that PMQs do not matter at all to the public but are vital for party morale. IDS was robbed!!
Fake news, the European election results were under Howard.
Sorry -- just the locals then. The point remains that IDS did better with the public than with backbenchers, and that PMQs is why.
It wasn't just MPs it was also donors he was scaring away.
The problem for IDS was that it was felt that the Hutton report might just topple Blair but IDS wasn't the man for that, that's why they chose the QC Michael Howard for that role.
Hardened plotters around Portillo and Francis Maude a factor?
Its a shame the Premier League mysteriously got cancelled in Christmas and there's been no fixtures this year, I wonder why that happened, but at least the Champions League is still going on. 😉
Liverpool may have stopped playing at Christmas but everyone else carried on.
Buggins turn in the Premier League, let someone else have a go.
4-0 in aggregate and through to the Quarter Finals, that will do. Especially since it seems we'll need to win the blasted final to get Champions League next season.
Just seen Shaun Bailey's tweet. What's the problem with it?
Using a high profile death to further your political campaign isn’t that nice.
It might be, but it worked for Labour in 2017. The terrorist attacks had **** all to do with any cuts to police numbers, but Labour successfully weaponised the attacks.
I doubt Bailey will be as successful, mainly because the media won't be asking the "how could this possibly have been allowed to happen?" question.
The timeline was the other way round, Labour raised police numbers well before the Manchester Arena and the Borough Market attacks.
I read that on the Sunday and Monday Labour had planned to go heavily on law and order but the suspension of the campaign and a desire not to be seen as exploiting the attacks saw Labour pull the plans to focus on law and order for the rest of the campaign.
The Labour leader claimed a link between “wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home”, as he relaunched his party’s election campaign on Friday after the three-day pause.
In the speech, the Labour leader also linked the Manchester atrocity to Theresa May’s failure to ensure “the police have the resources they need”.
“There will be more police on the streets under a Labour government. And, if the security services need more resources to keep track of those who wish to murder and maim, then they should get them.”
How on earth did Theresa May end up losing on law and order to Jeremy Corbyn?
Truly the worst possible PM, if not Tory Leader, in centuries.
Hard to tell which is worse, Theresa May or IDS but thankfully the latter never became PM.
IDS was a more successful Tory leader at the ballot box than he is given credit for. Tory backbenchers had become demoralised by IDS's weekly pasting by Blair at PMQs and ignored the better-than-expected local and European election results.
The lessons are, first, that whoever coined the Conservative leadership election cliché about "the most sophisticated electorate in the world" was a steaming ninny, and secondly that PMQs do not matter at all to the public but are vital for party morale. IDS was robbed!!
Fake news, the European election results were under Howard.
Sorry -- just the locals then. The point remains that IDS did better with the public than with backbenchers, and that PMQs is why.
It wasn't just MPs it was also donors he was scaring away.
The problem for IDS was that it was felt that the Hutton report might just topple Blair but IDS wasn't the man for that, that's why they chose the QC Michael Howard for that role.
Thank goodness no desperate party has since decided to replace a failed leader with a QC and hope for the best...
Great to read that 250k fewer people are paying their licence fee, that is fantastic news.
I'd drop mine except I watch Sky Sports and I'm law abiding.
Hopefully more and more people drop the absurd fee until they face reality and come up with a workable subscription model instead. At which point I'd wish them good luck.
Paywalls are pretty good nowadays, and I don't see why the licence fee payers should subsidise those overseas. It won't stop every freeloader, but probably enough.
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I expect to see this reported in Handelsplatt tomorrow. I can be quoted as 'Senior EU Source'.
Edit: but I think such is the nature of the allegation that we do now need to know who said it, in what context and why, because it is currently tarnishing the whole institution with speculation.
The Labour leader claimed a link between “wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home”, as he relaunched his party’s election campaign on Friday after the three-day pause.
In the speech, the Labour leader also linked the Manchester atrocity to Theresa May’s failure to ensure “the police have the resources they need”.
“There will be more police on the streets under a Labour government. And, if the security services need more resources to keep track of those who wish to murder and maim, then they should get them.”
But, if that was the case, how come he was still the best man and they both seemed ok together on the day?
Papering over the cracks?
If H&M spend years making allegations without reply it would be comparable to what's happened until now. 🤷♂️
A really lovely young man. Absolutely no side about him.
After he won silver he visited all the local schools, entirely off his own bat.
Spent ages with the kids, answering their questions. Challenged my eldest's class to a press up and sit up contest.
Of course, lumping BAME together does make it easier to tickbox that you are doing things for or addressing things regarding all BAME people at once, which is convenient. Hispanics can probably relate.
Though I obviously have no personal experience or insight on such, admittedly.
Hard to tell which is worse, Theresa May or IDS but thankfully the latter never became PM.
Sadly ironic that it's led to where we are now.
Some people on the left are determined to make sure I get classified as anything but English/British.
She of course was utterly inept and inappropriate besides Brexit, but ended up in a messy position of neither winning the support of Remainers nor Leavers.
Tory MPs should have chosen a Brexiteer in 2016. Thankfully they didn't make the same mistake twice, and the rest is history.
As for your support of the England rugby team through thin and thinner, what more proof is needed that you a re a true Englishman?
It's easy to forget, but he likes of Scott P on here took a lot of joy out of May's failure. And it was her failure.
https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/593830a319000047003e5002.jpeg?ops=1200_630
And the odious twerp kept his job until 2019. Another mistake by May.
It usually leads me to singing 'Get your shit stars off our flag.'
The lessons are, first, that whoever coined the Conservative leadership election cliché about "the most sophisticated electorate in the world" was a steaming ninny, and secondly that PMQs do not matter at all to the public but are vital for party morale. IDS was robbed!!
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/10/opinion/democratic-voters-anxieties.html
May cut 20,000 coppers. Boris pledged to recruit 20,000 coppers. That's not a coincidence.
The irony is that many suspect May was a leaver posing as a remainer, whereas Boris was a remainer posing as a leaver.
I can see why the census has kept the ethnicity question as simple as it thinks it can
Went right off him after that.
I feel sorry for my kids when they start having to fill in heritage/background questions in the future.
The Party should have sacked her.
Hammond should have been sacked.
Regretfully it took years for any of this to happen.
The problem for IDS was that it was felt that the Hutton report might just topple Blair but IDS wasn't the man for that, that's why they chose the QC Michael Howard for that role.
I think bullying is a very difficult thing to define. It can be single incident, but also over a period. Can someone be mean without bullying, yes probably. Can someone feel bullied when it was not intended, yes. Does the intent of the alleged bully matter, it depends.
>> Royal blush <<
You kiss the Queen with that mouth?
If you've ever heard the phonecall that Prince Charles had with Camilla Parker Bowles about being reincarnated as her tampon, you'll know he has a filthy mind – but we didn't know he had a mouth to match.
Prince Harry was supposed to do an event with Charles recently, but ended up pulling out at the last minute. This caused some unhelpful complications for the event staff but when an organiser complained about it, Charles suggested they cut the boy a bit of slack.
Why? Because, he said, Harry is a little "c*nt-struck" right now.
FYI: It's not a one-off. Prince Charles is supposedly a big fan of the C-word.
We have similar issues with the even more dubious LGBTQIA+ alphabet soup 'community', which again does not actually exist beyond activist circles, and at least some of the component parts of which arguably have even less to do with one another than the members of the various BAME groups, who at least may have negative experiences specifically of racial discrimination in common.
Under certain circumstances and in certain situations, gay men experience discrimination and abuse, trans people experience discrimination and abuse, Muslims experience discrimination and abuse and black people experience discrimination and abuse. Quite why, as a white, gay bloke, I should be expected to have some superior affinity with and understanding of people with gender dysphoria, but not with black or Islamic people, is never adequate explained.
After that you move on and life continues.
That's down to the weakness or cowardice of others, but if no one else was going to step up to seek to remove her, why would she think they wanted her to?
https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1369750332008509445?s=20
LONDON — The U.K. does not have an export ban on COVID-19 vaccines — it doesn't need one.
Instead, the government designed clever contracts with suppliers and made key investments for vaccine production to ensure its domestic population is served first.
https://www.politico.eu/article/why-the-uk-doesnt-need-a-coronavirus-vaccine-export-ban/
Am I behind the curve now?
Elsewhere, Owen Jones to replace Piers Morgan on the ITV breakfast show, apparently.
4-0 in aggregate and through to the Quarter Finals, that will do. Especially since it seems we'll need to win the blasted final to get Champions League next season.
Or to be fair GMB is a joke.
Underneath a tweet about how the corporate media has failed us.
https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1369628517718167554?s=20
https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1369628786766053381?s=20
AZ Net "safe"
Germany: -15
France: -28
Italy: +21
UK: +66
3 letters...V....P....N....
Owen should provide plenty of storms in teacups, only from a different direction to Morgan.
I'd drop mine except I watch Sky Sports and I'm law abiding.
Hopefully more and more people drop the absurd fee until they face reality and come up with a workable subscription model instead. At which point I'd wish them good luck.