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Given what everybody is talking about it we probably need a thread on this – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 8,489
edited March 8 in General
imageGiven what everybody is talking about it we probably need a thread on this – politicalbetting.com

I had not planned to run a thread on tonight’s big interview but this is what everybody seems to be talking about so here it is.

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  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 773
    Still not watching it! :lol:
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 64,759
    'They asked' is a great headline phrase. Could mean anybody, but can encompasses all of them collectively.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 5,746
    edited March 8
    fpt on Harry "Hewitt"

    Also, this: Harry looks a lot like the Duke of Ed as a young man

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/the-photo-that-puts-an-end-to-ugly-rumour-about-prince-harry/GYWQFI56AXCE7C5SDFAFYV3CZ4/


    However, there are particular photos of Hewitt and Harry, which, when set together, would make anyone wonder




    https://twitter.com/ChrisJHudson/status/1368595840886013952?s=20
  • isamisam Posts: 35,516
    kle4 said:

    'They asked' is a great headline phrase. Could mean anybody, but can encompasses all of them collectively.

    ...


  • kle4kle4 Posts: 64,759
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The white shirt and sunglasses one is almost beyond belief, and the Wallis Simpson dress?!

    It's all on a new, meta-level.

    Talking of new levels, if someone was REALLY pissed at Harry over this, it is quite obvious what rumour they could verify. It would be devastating. This could all get quite explosive.
    I actually don't believe that one - at least I do see it, but facially he very much resembles Charles at times. And of course Earl Spencer is ginger so it's in the genes.

    Nose and way of scrunching face up here: https://www.cheatsheet.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Prince-William-Prince-Charles-and-Prince-Harry-on-vacation-640x407.jpg

    Eyes nose and mouth it seems very apparent to me.
    https://www.celebdirtylaundry.com/wp-content/uploads/royals-4.jpg
    Also, this: Harry looks a lot like the Duke of Ed as a young man

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/the-photo-that-puts-an-end-to-ugly-rumour-about-prince-harry/GYWQFI56AXCE7C5SDFAFYV3CZ4/


    However, there are particular photos of Hewitt and Harry, which, when set together, would make anyone wonder


    https://twitter.com/ChrisJHudson/status/1368595840886013952?s=20
    That one's not bad, but honestly I don't think he looks that dissimilar to his dad (he's got the ears).

    It's not Justin Welby and Anthony Montague Browne close.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 11,573
    Sometimes I feel like a stranger in my own land.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 84,095
    edited March 8
    The royal family will survive, most of us British could not care less what some narcissistic California based multimillionaires trashing the brand which made them say

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1368959692475613186?s=20
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 36,665
    FPT:

    As I said earlier, given that baby Archie is three-quarters white (Meghan's dad is white after all), can it really be credible for Meghan to claim that anyone (Royal or otherwise) would be concerned how "black" his skin would be?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 41,703
    It is almost completely certain, in my view.

    I heard questions of curiosity about the baby at the time of the "is it ginger?" type.

    Some members of the public were just curious. A handful were malicious.

    As far as I can tell the royal family were delighted.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 28,426
    Surely we precisely DON'T need a thread on this?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 41,703

    GIVEN WHAT EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT IT WE PROBABLY NEED A THREAD ON THIS....

    GPT3?

    We should feed the algo some H&M straplines, and see what it pumps out.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 11,573

    Surely we precisely DON'T need a thread on this?

    Hear hear.
    It only encourages folk.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 5,814

    FPT:

    As I said earlier, given that baby Archie is three-quarters white (Meghan's dad is white after all), can it really be credible for Meghan to claim that anyone (Royal or otherwise) would be concerned how "black" his skin would be?

    It was a disastrous attempt at conversation, if it happened at all. If you were concerned about it you'd ask a geneticist, not the parents.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 64,759

    It is almost completely certain, in my view.

    I heard questions of curiosity about the baby at the time of the "is it ginger?" type.

    Some members of the public were just curious. A handful were malicious.

    As far as I can tell the royal family were delighted.

    'The royal family' may have been. Supposedly an unnamed 'they' was either not, or was a cock. Kudos for stirring interest by not saying who it was though, as people will speculate like crazy, before landing on Andrew for self evident reasons.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 5,746
    HYUFD said:

    The royal family will survive, most of us British could not care less what some narcissistic California based multimillionaires trashing the brand which made them say

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1368959692475613186?s=20

    It's not just California, the New York Times, which has developed some weird Fear and Loathing of Britain, possibly because Brexit (but I'm not sure why), is practically having an orgasm
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 15,032
    HYUFD said:

    The royal family will survive, most of us British could not care less what some narcissistic California based multimillionaires trashing the brand which made them say

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1368959692475613186?s=20

    I mean, 47% is a minority. I expected that to be higher to be honest.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 5,814
    HYUFD said:

    The royal family will survive, most of us British could not care less what some narcissistic California based multimillionaires trashing the brand which made them say

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1368959692475613186?s=20

    We'll stick with the narcissistic London based billionaires.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 4,303

    FPT:

    As I said earlier, given that baby Archie is three-quarters white (Meghan's dad is white after all), can it really be credible for Meghan to claim that anyone (Royal or otherwise) would be concerned how "black" his skin would be?

    Like I said the last time you said this, can definitely tell you that members of MY own family could well have said things just as bad, if not worse.

    And ever hear of Marty Povich?

    Speculation re: the prospective physical appearance of soon-to-be born infants is NOT rare, let alone unheard of.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 1,210
    edited March 8
    Can't beleive I'm posting this, as a super duper rebublican who shouldn't care, but for what it's worth (from James Hewitt's wiki page)...

    "Persistent suggestions have been made in the media that Hewitt, and not Charles, is the biological father of Diana's second son, Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex (born 1984). Hewitt stated to the press in 2002 that Harry had already been born by the time of the affair, a statement also made by Diana's police bodyguard. He reiterated this in an interview in 2017. Diana attributed Harry's red hair colouration to her side of the family, calling him her "little Spencer"."
  • isamisam Posts: 35,516

    It is almost completely certain, in my view.

    I heard questions of curiosity about the baby at the time of the "is it ginger?" type.

    Some members of the public were just curious. A handful were malicious.

    As far as I can tell the royal family were delighted.

    I would have thought it would be a question most families in that situation would wonder about, in the way we all wonder what features our kids will take from our partners and ourselves. It is a bit odd to expect a definitive answer from the parents pre birth whatever the motivation anyway, don’t you think? How would they know?

    I didn’t even realise Meghan was black until I read about it in the papers
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 40,123
    GIVEN WHAT EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT IT WE PROBABLY NEED A THREAD ON THIS....

    Oh c'mon, TSE doesn't need a thread on Liverpool's implosion.....
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 36,665
    isam said:

    It is almost completely certain, in my view.

    I heard questions of curiosity about the baby at the time of the "is it ginger?" type.

    Some members of the public were just curious. A handful were malicious.

    As far as I can tell the royal family were delighted.

    I would have thought it would be a question most families in that situation would wonder about, in the way we all wonder what features our kids will take from our partners and ourselves. It is a bit odd to expect a definitive answer from the parents pre birth whatever the motivation anyway, don’t you think? How would they know?

    I didn’t even realise Meghan was black until I read about it in the papers
    Half-black and half-white!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 84,095

    HYUFD said:

    The royal family will survive, most of us British could not care less what some narcissistic California based multimillionaires trashing the brand which made them say

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1368959692475613186?s=20

    I mean, 47% is a minority. I expected that to be higher to be honest.
    It is a more than 2 to 1 margin against the interview
  • LeonLeon Posts: 5,746

    Surely we precisely DON'T need a thread on this?

    You should accept it now. This is going to dominate news for weeks.

    In a way, it is a hopeful sign of things returning to normal. FINALLY the biggest news story is not Covid. The plague is receding, emotionally
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 15,032
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    The royal family will survive, most of us British could not care less what some narcissistic California based multimillionaires trashing the brand which made them say

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1368959692475613186?s=20

    I mean, 47% is a minority. I expected that to be higher to be honest.
    It is a more than 2 to 1 margin against the interview
    Yeah, but it's still a minority, which is interesting in itself.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 84,095
    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    The royal family will survive, most of us British could not care less what some narcissistic California based multimillionaires trashing the brand which made them say

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1368959692475613186?s=20

    It's not just California, the New York Times, which has developed some weird Fear and Loathing of Britain, possibly because Brexit (but I'm not sure why), is practically having an orgasm
    I have to say I am now feeling about as cold towards America as I have been in my lifetime, though mainly the sneering liberal coastal elite part of it
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 4,303

    HYUFD said:

    The royal family will survive, most of us British could not care less what some narcissistic California based multimillionaires trashing the brand which made them say

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1368959692475613186?s=20

    I mean, 47% is a minority. I expected that to be higher to be honest.
    IF Bill Clinton could ask, "what is is?" then may I ask, "what is appropriate?"

    Suspect it MAY have different meanings to different folks.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 84,095

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    The royal family will survive, most of us British could not care less what some narcissistic California based multimillionaires trashing the brand which made them say

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1368959692475613186?s=20

    I mean, 47% is a minority. I expected that to be higher to be honest.
    It is a more than 2 to 1 margin against the interview
    Yeah, but it's still a minority, which is interesting in itself.
    No it isn't, there is bound to be a division, the fact only 21% ie less than a quarter, think it was appropriate is the shocking stat
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 15,032
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    The royal family will survive, most of us British could not care less what some narcissistic California based multimillionaires trashing the brand which made them say

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1368959692475613186?s=20

    I mean, 47% is a minority. I expected that to be higher to be honest.
    It is a more than 2 to 1 margin against the interview
    Yeah, but it's still a minority, which is interesting in itself.
    No it isn't, there is bound to be a division, the fact only 21% ie less than a quarter, think it was appropriate is the shocking stat
    Yes it is. I expected support for the Royal Family to be higher. The fact it isn't is interesting to me.

    What it shows is that a ton of people are indifferent, which I guess is as expected.

    Not everyone is crying into their porridge about the "sneering west coast liberal treatment of OUR Royal Family"
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 23,144
    Leon said:

    fpt on Harry "Hewitt"

    Also, this: Harry looks a lot like the Duke of Ed as a young man

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/the-photo-that-puts-an-end-to-ugly-rumour-about-prince-harry/GYWQFI56AXCE7C5SDFAFYV3CZ4/


    However, there are particular photos of Hewitt and Harry, which, when set together, would make anyone wonder




    https://twitter.com/ChrisJHudson/status/1368595840886013952?s=20

    I understand the timeline doesn't fit.

    Restarting such rumours wouldn't exactly establish the legitimacy of the second in line heir to the throne either. Could be quite some own goal.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 5,746
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    The royal family will survive, most of us British could not care less what some narcissistic California based multimillionaires trashing the brand which made them say

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1368959692475613186?s=20

    It's not just California, the New York Times, which has developed some weird Fear and Loathing of Britain, possibly because Brexit (but I'm not sure why), is practically having an orgasm
    I have to say I am now feeling about as cold towards America as I have been in my lifetime, though mainly the sneering liberal coastal elite part of it
    Trump and the more extreme forms of BLM and Wokery (exported around the world) have, taken together, made me look at America in a much more critical and unforgiving way. I am rather glad it is a power in swift relative decline, it is half mad and a danger to others.

    I miss the old America, generous, sane and sensible, for all its flaws. But it seems to have gone for good. I just wish the replacement wasn't China.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 84,095

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    The royal family will survive, most of us British could not care less what some narcissistic California based multimillionaires trashing the brand which made them say

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1368959692475613186?s=20

    I mean, 47% is a minority. I expected that to be higher to be honest.
    It is a more than 2 to 1 margin against the interview
    Yeah, but it's still a minority, which is interesting in itself.
    No it isn't, there is bound to be a division, the fact only 21% ie less than a quarter, think it was appropriate is the shocking stat
    Yes it is. I expected support for the Royal Family to be higher. The fact it isn't is interesting to me.

    What it shows is that a ton of people are indifferent, which I guess is as expected.

    Not everyone is crying into their porridge about the "sneering west coast liberal treatment of OUR Royal Family"
    No it isn't, you are a leftwing liberal with an ideological anti monarchy agenda.

    You will obviously spin any poll to suit your message
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 15,032
    edited March 8
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    The royal family will survive, most of us British could not care less what some narcissistic California based multimillionaires trashing the brand which made them say

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1368959692475613186?s=20

    I mean, 47% is a minority. I expected that to be higher to be honest.
    It is a more than 2 to 1 margin against the interview
    Yeah, but it's still a minority, which is interesting in itself.
    No it isn't, there is bound to be a division, the fact only 21% ie less than a quarter, think it was appropriate is the shocking stat
    Yes it is. I expected support for the Royal Family to be higher. The fact it isn't is interesting to me.

    What it shows is that a ton of people are indifferent, which I guess is as expected.

    Not everyone is crying into their porridge about the "sneering west coast liberal treatment of OUR Royal Family"
    No it isn't, you are a leftwing liberal with an ideological anti monarchy agenda.

    You will obviously spin any poll to suit your message
    I hope the hypocrisy of your last sentence isn't lost on you.

    Regardless, I'm not an "anti-monarchist". I'm pretty indifferent about the monarchy to be honest.
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,296
    edited March 8
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    fpt on Harry "Hewitt"

    Also, this: Harry looks a lot like the Duke of Ed as a young man

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/the-photo-that-puts-an-end-to-ugly-rumour-about-prince-harry/GYWQFI56AXCE7C5SDFAFYV3CZ4/


    However, there are particular photos of Hewitt and Harry, which, when set together, would make anyone wonder




    https://twitter.com/ChrisJHudson/status/1368595840886013952?s=20

    I understand the timeline doesn't fit.

    Restarting such rumours wouldn't exactly establish the legitimacy of the second in line heir to the throne either. Could be quite some own goal.
    It would be alright though. Take both Princes out of it and the ever reliable Prince “safe pair of hands” Andrew would be in line to be King.

    Oh....
  • LeonLeon Posts: 5,746
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    fpt on Harry "Hewitt"

    Also, this: Harry looks a lot like the Duke of Ed as a young man

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/the-photo-that-puts-an-end-to-ugly-rumour-about-prince-harry/GYWQFI56AXCE7C5SDFAFYV3CZ4/


    However, there are particular photos of Hewitt and Harry, which, when set together, would make anyone wonder




    https://twitter.com/ChrisJHudson/status/1368595840886013952?s=20

    I understand the timeline doesn't fit.

    Restarting such rumours wouldn't exactly establish the legitimacy of the second in line heir to the throne either. Could be quite some own goal.
    I understand there are question marks over the "timeline". I do not know, however

    Harry is not second in line for the throne, he is sixth, behind his "dad", his bro and the bro's kids
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 64,759

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    The royal family will survive, most of us British could not care less what some narcissistic California based multimillionaires trashing the brand which made them say

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1368959692475613186?s=20

    I mean, 47% is a minority. I expected that to be higher to be honest.
    It is a more than 2 to 1 margin against the interview
    Yeah, but it's still a minority, which is interesting in itself.
    No it isn't, there is bound to be a division, the fact only 21% ie less than a quarter, think it was appropriate is the shocking stat
    Yes it is. I expected support for the Royal Family to be higher. The fact it isn't is interesting to me.

    What it shows is that a ton of people are indifferent, which I guess is as expected.

    Not everyone is crying into their porridge about the "sneering west coast liberal treatment of OUR Royal Family"
    While more care than they admit with the general 'who cares?' declamations, given how much attention this stuff gets, it is the case that large groups really do not care. Which long term the monarchy can handle - short term awkwardness and pain is unfortunate, but if lots just don't care then they won't agitate for change, particuarly once awkward periods die down.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,306
    edited March 8
    So, to sum up the furore cruciverbally:

    Royal issue is black and white (6)
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 15,032
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    The royal family will survive, most of us British could not care less what some narcissistic California based multimillionaires trashing the brand which made them say

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1368959692475613186?s=20

    I mean, 47% is a minority. I expected that to be higher to be honest.
    It is a more than 2 to 1 margin against the interview
    Yeah, but it's still a minority, which is interesting in itself.
    No it isn't, there is bound to be a division, the fact only 21% ie less than a quarter, think it was appropriate is the shocking stat
    Yes it is. I expected support for the Royal Family to be higher. The fact it isn't is interesting to me.

    What it shows is that a ton of people are indifferent, which I guess is as expected.

    Not everyone is crying into their porridge about the "sneering west coast liberal treatment of OUR Royal Family"
    While more care than they admit with the general 'who cares?' declamations, given how much attention this stuff gets, it is the case that large groups really do not care. Which long term the monarchy can handle - short term awkwardness and pain is unfortunate, but if lots just don't care then they won't agitate for change, particuarly once awkward periods die down.
    I agree and to be honest that's pretty much my view on the monarchy overall: I don't care, there's much more pressing problems we have to deal with as a country.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 23,144
    isam said:

    It is almost completely certain, in my view.

    I heard questions of curiosity about the baby at the time of the "is it ginger?" type.

    Some members of the public were just curious. A handful were malicious.

    As far as I can tell the royal family were delighted.

    I would have thought it would be a question most families in that situation would wonder about, in the way we all wonder what features our kids will take from our partners and ourselves. It is a bit odd to expect a definitive answer from the parents pre birth whatever the motivation anyway, don’t you think? How would they know?

    I didn’t even realise Meghan was black until I read about it in the papers
    Yes, but the Royal Family is different to other families. Genealogy and bloodline is the core to Royal legitimacy. They are who they are because of their breeding, from a long line of other Royal and aristocratic forebears.

    If you cease to believe in genetic superiority, then the Royal Family loses its foundation.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 84,095
    edited March 8
    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    The royal family will survive, most of us British could not care less what some narcissistic California based multimillionaires trashing the brand which made them say

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1368959692475613186?s=20

    It's not just California, the New York Times, which has developed some weird Fear and Loathing of Britain, possibly because Brexit (but I'm not sure why), is practically having an orgasm
    I have to say I am now feeling about as cold towards America as I have been in my lifetime, though mainly the sneering liberal coastal elite part of it
    Trump and the more extreme forms of BLM and Wokery (exported around the world) have, taken together, made me look at America in a much more critical and unforgiving way. I am rather glad it is a power in swift relative decline, it is half mad and a danger to others.

    I miss the old America, generous, sane and sensible, for all its flaws. But it seems to have gone for good. I just wish the replacement wasn't China.

    China was always going to be the replacement as soon as it abandoned Marxism as the largest population on earth.

    China may be an authoritarian dictatorship but one thing you certainly cannot say it is either is filled with self hating, left liberal wokery as the new US elite seems to be.

    The US no longer has the strength, the patriotism nor the will to push its agenda and values of freedom and democracy across the world as so much of its elite hates what it and the traditional west stood for, so it no longer deserves to be number 1 really either. Trump had many flaws but he did actually believe in America. Biden maybe just about does still (and without Trump's cosying up to dictators), Harris certainly does not.

    Instead we are moving to a more multipolar world where China, the US and India will lead but none having supreme power
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 13,623
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    The royal family will survive, most of us British could not care less what some narcissistic California based multimillionaires trashing the brand which made them say

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1368959692475613186?s=20

    I mean, 47% is a minority. I expected that to be higher to be honest.
    It is a more than 2 to 1 margin against the interview
    Including Don't Knows, a majority don't have a problem with it.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 14,708
    I wonder if anyone will respond with a counter-interview. I suppose the right thing to do is hope it dies down, which I think it will. It's pretty thin gruel. If there were to be one it would be William and Kate.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 4,303
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    fpt on Harry "Hewitt"

    Also, this: Harry looks a lot like the Duke of Ed as a young man

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/the-photo-that-puts-an-end-to-ugly-rumour-about-prince-harry/GYWQFI56AXCE7C5SDFAFYV3CZ4/


    However, there are particular photos of Hewitt and Harry, which, when set together, would make anyone wonder




    https://twitter.com/ChrisJHudson/status/1368595840886013952?s=20

    I understand the timeline doesn't fit.

    Restarting such rumours wouldn't exactly establish the legitimacy of the second in line heir to the throne either. Could be quite some own goal.
    I understand there are question marks over the "timeline". I do not know, however

    Harry is not second in line for the throne, he is sixth, behind his "dad", his bro and the bro's kids
    By #2 methinks he means William.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 5,746

    HYUFD said:

    The royal family will survive, most of us British could not care less what some narcissistic California based multimillionaires trashing the brand which made them say

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1368959692475613186?s=20

    I mean, 47% is a minority. I expected that to be higher to be honest.
    I expected it to be a lot less. Harry is - or was - popular. She has a lot of fans under 30.

    I honestly thought it would be about equal. We shall see
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 23,144
    edited March 8
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    fpt on Harry "Hewitt"

    Also, this: Harry looks a lot like the Duke of Ed as a young man

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/the-photo-that-puts-an-end-to-ugly-rumour-about-prince-harry/GYWQFI56AXCE7C5SDFAFYV3CZ4/


    However, there are particular photos of Hewitt and Harry, which, when set together, would make anyone wonder




    https://twitter.com/ChrisJHudson/status/1368595840886013952?s=20

    I understand the timeline doesn't fit.

    Restarting such rumours wouldn't exactly establish the legitimacy of the second in line heir to the throne either. Could be quite some own goal.
    I understand there are question marks over the "timeline". I do not know, however

    Harry is not second in line for the throne, he is sixth, behind his "dad", his bro and the bro's kids
    I was suggesting that if Harry, why not William too as not fathered by Charles?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 15,032

    I wonder if anyone will respond with a counter-interview. I suppose the right thing to do is hope it dies down, which I think it will. It's pretty thin gruel. If there were to be one it would be William and Kate.

    The best response would be to say nothing other than to express good-will towards them and wish them every happiness in the future.
  • isamisam Posts: 35,516

    I wonder if anyone will respond with a counter-interview. I suppose the right thing to do is hope it dies down, which I think it will. It's pretty thin gruel. If there were to be one it would be William and Kate.

    The Crown doesn’t have opinions! William is QE2 to Harry’s Margo
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 14,708

    I wonder if anyone will respond with a counter-interview. I suppose the right thing to do is hope it dies down, which I think it will. It's pretty thin gruel. If there were to be one it would be William and Kate.

    The best response would be to say nothing other than to express good-will towards them and wish them every happiness in the future.
    Quite. And change all the locks.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 36,665
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    fpt on Harry "Hewitt"

    Also, this: Harry looks a lot like the Duke of Ed as a young man

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/the-photo-that-puts-an-end-to-ugly-rumour-about-prince-harry/GYWQFI56AXCE7C5SDFAFYV3CZ4/


    However, there are particular photos of Hewitt and Harry, which, when set together, would make anyone wonder




    https://twitter.com/ChrisJHudson/status/1368595840886013952?s=20

    I understand the timeline doesn't fit.

    Restarting such rumours wouldn't exactly establish the legitimacy of the second in line heir to the throne either. Could be quite some own goal.
    I understand there are question marks over the "timeline". I do not know, however

    Harry is not second in line for the throne, he is sixth, behind his "dad", his bro and the bro's kids
    I was suggesting that if Harry, why not William too as not fathered by Charles?
    Who do YOU think fathered William?
  • isamisam Posts: 35,516
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    It is almost completely certain, in my view.

    I heard questions of curiosity about the baby at the time of the "is it ginger?" type.

    Some members of the public were just curious. A handful were malicious.

    As far as I can tell the royal family were delighted.

    I would have thought it would be a question most families in that situation would wonder about, in the way we all wonder what features our kids will take from our partners and ourselves. It is a bit odd to expect a definitive answer from the parents pre birth whatever the motivation anyway, don’t you think? How would they know?

    I didn’t even realise Meghan was black until I read about it in the papers
    Yes, but the Royal Family is different to other families. Genealogy and bloodline is the core to Royal legitimacy. They are who they are because of their breeding, from a long line of other Royal and aristocratic forebears.

    If you cease to believe in genetic superiority, then the Royal Family loses its foundation.
    I wonder whether William, the important one, would have been allowed to marry and have children with a BAME American divorcee?
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 1,210
  • LeonLeon Posts: 5,746
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    The royal family will survive, most of us British could not care less what some narcissistic California based multimillionaires trashing the brand which made them say

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1368959692475613186?s=20

    It's not just California, the New York Times, which has developed some weird Fear and Loathing of Britain, possibly because Brexit (but I'm not sure why), is practically having an orgasm
    I have to say I am now feeling about as cold towards America as I have been in my lifetime, though mainly the sneering liberal coastal elite part of it
    Trump and the more extreme forms of BLM and Wokery (exported around the world) have, taken together, made me look at America in a much more critical and unforgiving way. I am rather glad it is a power in swift relative decline, it is half mad and a danger to others.

    I miss the old America, generous, sane and sensible, for all its flaws. But it seems to have gone for good. I just wish the replacement wasn't China.

    China was always going to be the replacement as soon as it abandoned Marxism as the largest population on earth.

    China may be an authoritarian dictatorship but one thing you certainly cannot say it is either is filled with left liberal wokery as the new US elite seems to be.

    The US no longer has the strength nor the will to push its agenda and values of freedom and democracy as so much of its elite hates what it and the traditional west stood for, so it no longer deserves to be number 1 really either.

    Instead we are moving to a more multipolar world where China, the US and India will lead but none having supreme power
    People dismiss Wokery as a passing fad, but it is actually a serious menace to America's prosperity. I could choose any number of examples - check the abolition of SATS - but let's go for something more surprising. AI and GPT3

    The whole field has been invaded by Wokeyness and is now bedevilled.



    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2021/02/20/google-sacks-second-ethical-ai-researcher-amid-censorship-storm/


    I can easily foresee this incredible technology going unused, or being crippled - in America - as it is surrounded by furious rows over alleged bias in the algorithms. Lots of AI researchers are worried this will happen.

    Who will benefit? China, of course. They will build GPT4 and they won't give a toss about its political correctness, or lack of.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 64,759
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    It is almost completely certain, in my view.

    I heard questions of curiosity about the baby at the time of the "is it ginger?" type.

    Some members of the public were just curious. A handful were malicious.

    As far as I can tell the royal family were delighted.

    I would have thought it would be a question most families in that situation would wonder about, in the way we all wonder what features our kids will take from our partners and ourselves. It is a bit odd to expect a definitive answer from the parents pre birth whatever the motivation anyway, don’t you think? How would they know?

    I didn’t even realise Meghan was black until I read about it in the papers
    Yes, but the Royal Family is different to other families. Genealogy and bloodline is the core to Royal legitimacy. They are who they are because of their breeding, from a long line of other Royal and aristocratic forebears.

    If you cease to believe in genetic superiority, then the Royal Family loses its foundation.
    Nobody actually believes in genetic superiority anymore. It's why if you were starting from zero you'd never choose monarchy as a system. It's just that they were already in place, so you stick with the family you have.

    A bit like with the change to ultimate primogeniture, I wonder if the monarch had been unable to provide children for whatever reason, whether there would be a push to allow adopted children to inherit. Of course historically you'd just shift to next in line, but if a royal couple could not conceive and wanted to adopt a child, with nothing to do with being heir, I feel like the question would come up, even though it undermines the underpinnings of the concept.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 5,746
    Cyclefree said:

    OK - forget the soap opera nonsense. Like most soaps the story is full of holes, obvious questions aren't asked and the drama is over-egged and over-acted.

    Here is the important (to me) news.

    This week:-

    1. My husband got his vaccine. Astra-Zeneca.
    2. It is now just over 3 weeks since I got my first Pfizer jab.
    3. We finally moved into the Lake District home we started rebuilding in summer of 2018 - with most of the first year taken up with building regs stuff, the next six months with getting quotes and quite a lot of the remaining delay caused by Covid. There is still some small stuff to be done but we are 97% of the way there. It has been quite a journey.
    4. I have lots of land on which to garden to my heart's content.
    5. Daughter is doing a special Greek meal takeaway for Mother's Day, which always goes down well and is fully booked. The business may even survive until late May.
    6. Daughter's cat is pregnant. This may be a mixed blessing given the new wallpaper in the house - but the kittens are, I am assured, spoken for ......

    The only fly in the ointment is that I have damaged a knee tendon. But this is a time to count one's blessings. The weather has been quite spring-like of late and it's amazing how cheering daffodils can be.

    Good for you, cyclefree
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 64,759

    I wonder if anyone will respond with a counter-interview. I suppose the right thing to do is hope it dies down, which I think it will. It's pretty thin gruel. If there were to be one it would be William and Kate.

    The best response would be to say nothing other than to express good-will towards them and wish them every happiness in the future.
    They probably will, officially, as it is the right move, but there's clearly a war going on, and briefings come from somewhere and presumably still would, since why let the opponent launch unanswered salvoes? (reasoning both sides no doubt employ)
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 13,281

    GIVEN WHAT EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT IT WE PROBABLY NEED A THREAD ON THIS....

    Oh c'mon, TSE doesn't need a thread on Liverpool's implosion.....

    I thought it was going to be AV......
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 23,144
    edited March 8
    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    The royal family will survive, most of us British could not care less what some narcissistic California based multimillionaires trashing the brand which made them say

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1368959692475613186?s=20

    It's not just California, the New York Times, which has developed some weird Fear and Loathing of Britain, possibly because Brexit (but I'm not sure why), is practically having an orgasm
    I have to say I am now feeling about as cold towards America as I have been in my lifetime, though mainly the sneering liberal coastal elite part of it
    Trump and the more extreme forms of BLM and Wokery (exported around the world) have, taken together, made me look at America in a much more critical and unforgiving way. I am rather glad it is a power in swift relative decline, it is half mad and a danger to others.

    I miss the old America, generous, sane and sensible, for all its flaws. But it seems to have gone for good. I just wish the replacement wasn't China.

    Would that be the America of Jim Crow and the KKK? Of Operation Condor? Of Mayor Daley and Tammany Hall?

    I lived in America for five formative years. The one thing about America to be certain of is that it contains the worst of mankind as well as the best, incredible beauty as well as trashy ugliness, of high ideas and the lowest common denominator. It has always been both a shining city on the hill, and home of some of the darkest deeds.

    In that, nothing has changed. Indeed I would argue that pretty much all countries have their dark side as well as positive ones. It is just that in America we see more of it.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 11,573
    Cyclefree said:

    OK - forget the soap opera nonsense. Like most soaps the story is full of holes, obvious questions aren't asked and the drama is over-egged and over-acted.

    Here is the important (to me) news.

    This week:-

    1. My husband got his vaccine. Astra-Zeneca.
    2. It is now just over 3 weeks since I got my first Pfizer jab.
    3. We finally moved into the Lake District home we started rebuilding in summer of 2018 - with most of the first year taken up with building regs stuff, the next six months with getting quotes and quite a lot of the remaining delay caused by Covid. There is still some small stuff to be done but we are 97% of the way there. It has been quite a journey.
    4. I have lots of land on which to garden to my heart's content.
    5. Daughter is doing a special Greek meal takeaway for Mother's Day, which always goes down well and is fully booked. The business may even survive until late May.
    6. Daughter's cat is pregnant. This may be a mixed blessing given the new wallpaper in the house - but the kittens are, I am assured, spoken for ......

    The only fly in the ointment is that I have damaged a knee tendon. But this is a time to count one's blessings. The weather has been quite spring-like of late and it's amazing how cheering daffodils can be.

    On the other hand. You live in Cumbria. It'll piss down long and hard and soon!
    Really nice to hear you're feeling more chipper.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 5,746
    edited March 8
    kle4 said:

    I wonder if anyone will respond with a counter-interview. I suppose the right thing to do is hope it dies down, which I think it will. It's pretty thin gruel. If there were to be one it would be William and Kate.

    The best response would be to say nothing other than to express good-will towards them and wish them every happiness in the future.
    They probably will, officially, as it is the right move, but there's clearly a war going on, and briefings come from somewhere and presumably still would, since why let the opponent launch unanswered salvoes? (reasoning both sides no doubt employ)
    If they do counter-brief (probably unwise) then they need something better than the rather lame stories about bullying. It's bad if these stories are true, but it's trivial compared to the allegations Harry and Meg are making.

    Some of them are quite specific and quite shocking.

    eg Did the Royal Household really confiscate Meghan's passport and driving licence?! I find it very hard to believe. Why would they do that? That's basically kidnapping. However it is the kind of detailed allegation that probably does require explicit refutation. Which is why, I fear, the Royals can't just remain loftily silent, even tho that would be preferable, in many ways
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 23,144

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    fpt on Harry "Hewitt"

    Also, this: Harry looks a lot like the Duke of Ed as a young man

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/the-photo-that-puts-an-end-to-ugly-rumour-about-prince-harry/GYWQFI56AXCE7C5SDFAFYV3CZ4/


    However, there are particular photos of Hewitt and Harry, which, when set together, would make anyone wonder




    https://twitter.com/ChrisJHudson/status/1368595840886013952?s=20

    I understand the timeline doesn't fit.

    Restarting such rumours wouldn't exactly establish the legitimacy of the second in line heir to the throne either. Could be quite some own goal.
    I understand there are question marks over the "timeline". I do not know, however

    Harry is not second in line for the throne, he is sixth, behind his "dad", his bro and the bro's kids
    I was suggesting that if Harry, why not William too as not fathered by Charles?
    Who do YOU think fathered William?
    The same person that fathered Harry, obviously.
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,296
    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    It is almost completely certain, in my view.

    I heard questions of curiosity about the baby at the time of the "is it ginger?" type.

    Some members of the public were just curious. A handful were malicious.

    As far as I can tell the royal family were delighted.

    I would have thought it would be a question most families in that situation would wonder about, in the way we all wonder what features our kids will take from our partners and ourselves. It is a bit odd to expect a definitive answer from the parents pre birth whatever the motivation anyway, don’t you think? How would they know?

    I didn’t even realise Meghan was black until I read about it in the papers
    Yes, but the Royal Family is different to other families. Genealogy and bloodline is the core to Royal legitimacy. They are who they are because of their breeding, from a long line of other Royal and aristocratic forebears.

    If you cease to believe in genetic superiority, then the Royal Family loses its foundation.
    Nobody actually believes in genetic superiority anymore. It's why if you were starting from zero you'd never choose monarchy as a system. It's just that they were already in place, so you stick with the family you have.

    A bit like with the change to ultimate primogeniture, I wonder if the monarch had been unable to provide children for whatever reason, whether there would be a push to allow adopted children to inherit. Of course historically you'd just shift to next in line, but if a royal couple could not conceive and wanted to adopt a child, with nothing to do with being heir, I feel like the question would come up, even though it undermines the underpinnings of the concept.
    Completely agree. Many who support the monarchy actually just can’t think of a better option then the Queen, and don’t feel the need to put all the effort into a change in the system now when it mostly works ok. Charles might or might not retain their support, and if he does a lot of it will be because of William.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 64,759
    Bold play, but makes sense - why do a royal splash cover when it won't differentiate from every other 'paper'?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 3,332

    I wonder if anyone will respond with a counter-interview. I suppose the right thing to do is hope it dies down, which I think it will. It's pretty thin gruel. If there were to be one it would be William and Kate.

    The best response would be to say nothing other than to express good-will towards them and wish them every happiness in the future.
    "The Queen is eagerly anticipating the birth of another great-grandchild and was delighted to see Harry and Meghan looking so well on TV recently."
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,296
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    I wonder if anyone will respond with a counter-interview. I suppose the right thing to do is hope it dies down, which I think it will. It's pretty thin gruel. If there were to be one it would be William and Kate.

    The best response would be to say nothing other than to express good-will towards them and wish them every happiness in the future.
    They probably will, officially, as it is the right move, but there's clearly a war going on, and briefings come from somewhere and presumably still would, since why let the opponent launch unanswered salvoes? (reasoning both sides no doubt employ)
    If they do counter-brief (probably unwise) then they need something better than the rather lame stories about bullying. It's bad if these stories are true, but it's trivial compared to the allegations Harry and Meg are making.

    Some of them are quite specific and quite shocking.

    eg Did the Royal Household really confiscate Meghan's passport and driving licence?! I find it very hard to believe. Why would they do that? That's basically kidnapping. However it is the kind of detailed allegation that probably does require explicit refutation. Which is why, I fear, the Royals can't just remain loftily silent, even tho that would be preferable, in many ways
    It probably depends on your point of view. I can well imagine that the Palace private secretaries usually look after the passports and the like, and just generally “make that stuff happen”. You might see that as having it confiscated, if you wish to do so.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 53,948
    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    The royal family will survive, most of us British could not care less what some narcissistic California based multimillionaires trashing the brand which made them say

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1368959692475613186?s=20

    It's not just California, the New York Times, which has developed some weird Fear and Loathing of Britain, possibly because Brexit (but I'm not sure why), is practically having an orgasm
    I have to say I am now feeling about as cold towards America as I have been in my lifetime, though mainly the sneering liberal coastal elite part of it
    Trump and the more extreme forms of BLM and Wokery (exported around the world) have, taken together, made me look at America in a much more critical and unforgiving way. I am rather glad it is a power in swift relative decline, it is half mad and a danger to others.

    I miss the old America, generous, sane and sensible, for all its flaws. But it seems to have gone for good. I just wish the replacement wasn't China.

    You don't understand America if you think being Woke is a new concept to America. Woke divisions are in America's DNA, it is the nation's origin story. The name is new but the concept itself a quarter of a millenium old.

    There have been for the past 250 years those who wish to push society forwards: the revolutionaries, the abolitionists, the civil rights pioneers, wokists

    And there are those who wish to keep society locked still: the royalists, Jim Crow, the 'states rights' advocates, the Dixiecrats, the 'silent majority'
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 23,144
    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    It is almost completely certain, in my view.

    I heard questions of curiosity about the baby at the time of the "is it ginger?" type.

    Some members of the public were just curious. A handful were malicious.

    As far as I can tell the royal family were delighted.

    I would have thought it would be a question most families in that situation would wonder about, in the way we all wonder what features our kids will take from our partners and ourselves. It is a bit odd to expect a definitive answer from the parents pre birth whatever the motivation anyway, don’t you think? How would they know?

    I didn’t even realise Meghan was black until I read about it in the papers
    Yes, but the Royal Family is different to other families. Genealogy and bloodline is the core to Royal legitimacy. They are who they are because of their breeding, from a long line of other Royal and aristocratic forebears.

    If you cease to believe in genetic superiority, then the Royal Family loses its foundation.
    Nobody actually believes in genetic superiority anymore. It's why if you were starting from zero you'd never choose monarchy as a system. It's just that they were already in place, so you stick with the family you have.

    A bit like with the change to ultimate primogeniture, I wonder if the monarch had been unable to provide children for whatever reason, whether there would be a push to allow adopted children to inherit. Of course historically you'd just shift to next in line, but if a royal couple could not conceive and wanted to adopt a child, with nothing to do with being heir, I feel like the question would come up, even though it undermines the underpinnings of the concept.
    You and I may well not believe in genetic determinism any more, but you can bet your life that senior courtiers do.

    Indeed, I suspect that is where the poison comes from. The Royals are family after all, so have some filial and fraternal loyalty. It is the courtiers, equerrys and flunkies that have most invested in the institution.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 5,746
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    The royal family will survive, most of us British could not care less what some narcissistic California based multimillionaires trashing the brand which made them say

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1368959692475613186?s=20

    It's not just California, the New York Times, which has developed some weird Fear and Loathing of Britain, possibly because Brexit (but I'm not sure why), is practically having an orgasm
    I have to say I am now feeling about as cold towards America as I have been in my lifetime, though mainly the sneering liberal coastal elite part of it
    Trump and the more extreme forms of BLM and Wokery (exported around the world) have, taken together, made me look at America in a much more critical and unforgiving way. I am rather glad it is a power in swift relative decline, it is half mad and a danger to others.

    I miss the old America, generous, sane and sensible, for all its flaws. But it seems to have gone for good. I just wish the replacement wasn't China.

    Would that be the America of Jim Crow and the KKK? Of Operation Condor? Of Mayor Daley and Tammany Hall?

    I lived in America for five formative years. The one thing about America to be certain of is that it contains the worst of mankind as well as the best, incredible beauty as well as trashy ugliness, of high ideas and the lowest common denominator. It has always been both a shining city on the hill, and home of some of the darkest deeds.

    In that, nothing has changed. Indeed I would argue that pretty much all countries have their dark side as well as positive ones. It is just that in America we see more of it.
    The America of the Moon Landings, that's the America I miss. That, for me, was Peak America. Deeply flawed - as you say - still riven with racial divide - but wow, they put a man on the moon: more than 50 fucking years ago. 50 years ago!!! Mobile phones were science fiction. Thruppeny bits were a thing. We all ate cheese in triangles. A man on the fucking moon!??!!

    That's the America that, sadly, seems to have departed this world. Superbly optimistic, absolutely self confident - NOT self hating - truly generous in spirit, if ugly in its power, sometimes. An America ascendant that wanted to help the world, and did so.

    Gone gone gone.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 64,759

    I wonder if anyone will respond with a counter-interview. I suppose the right thing to do is hope it dies down, which I think it will. It's pretty thin gruel. If there were to be one it would be William and Kate.

    The best response would be to say nothing other than to express good-will towards them and wish them every happiness in the future.
    "The Queen is eagerly anticipating the birth of another great-grandchild and was delighted to see Harry and Meghan looking so well on TV recently."
    Probably cannot simply ignore that the family are being trashed by another member, makes them look delusional. Add something vague about regretting the situation, instruct staff to stop briefing under the table, and hope Harry holds off making further allegations for a year or so as a show of good faith.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 53,948

    Sorry, republicans:

    tps://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1369064154611466244?s=20

    Nobody is going to say otherwise for as long as QEII breathes, republicans understand that.

    An appropriate amount of time after she enters the history records its a different matter.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 5,746
    Floater said:
    "The Santa Barbara area of Los Angeles"??

    Santa B is two hours from LA
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 84,095
    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    The royal family will survive, most of us British could not care less what some narcissistic California based multimillionaires trashing the brand which made them say

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1368959692475613186?s=20

    It's not just California, the New York Times, which has developed some weird Fear and Loathing of Britain, possibly because Brexit (but I'm not sure why), is practically having an orgasm
    I have to say I am now feeling about as cold towards America as I have been in my lifetime, though mainly the sneering liberal coastal elite part of it
    Trump and the more extreme forms of BLM and Wokery (exported around the world) have, taken together, made me look at America in a much more critical and unforgiving way. I am rather glad it is a power in swift relative decline, it is half mad and a danger to others.

    I miss the old America, generous, sane and sensible, for all its flaws. But it seems to have gone for good. I just wish the replacement wasn't China.

    China was always going to be the replacement as soon as it abandoned Marxism as the largest population on earth.

    China may be an authoritarian dictatorship but one thing you certainly cannot say it is either is filled with left liberal wokery as the new US elite seems to be.

    The US no longer has the strength nor the will to push its agenda and values of freedom and democracy as so much of its elite hates what it and the traditional west stood for, so it no longer deserves to be number 1 really either.

    Instead we are moving to a more multipolar world where China, the US and India will lead but none having supreme power
    People dismiss Wokery as a passing fad, but it is actually a serious menace to America's prosperity. I could choose any number of examples - check the abolition of SATS - but let's go for something more surprising. AI and GPT3

    The whole field has been invaded by Wokeyness and is now bedevilled.



    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2021/02/20/google-sacks-second-ethical-ai-researcher-amid-censorship-storm/


    I can easily foresee this incredible technology going unused, or being crippled - in America - as it is surrounded by furious rows over alleged bias in the algorithms. Lots of AI researchers are worried this will happen.

    Who will benefit? China, of course. They will build GPT4 and they won't give a toss about its political correctness, or lack of.

    Indeed, superpowers don't get to be superpowers by guilt and self hate, they get to be superpowers by ruthlessness, strength and fierce patriotism.

    Yes we need to treat people of all backgrounds and races fairly and equally but no we do not need to be filled by self hate, with that comes weakness in terms of leadership, weakness in terms of projection of values and weakness economically as well
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 15,032
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    The royal family will survive, most of us British could not care less what some narcissistic California based multimillionaires trashing the brand which made them say

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1368959692475613186?s=20

    It's not just California, the New York Times, which has developed some weird Fear and Loathing of Britain, possibly because Brexit (but I'm not sure why), is practically having an orgasm
    I have to say I am now feeling about as cold towards America as I have been in my lifetime, though mainly the sneering liberal coastal elite part of it
    Trump and the more extreme forms of BLM and Wokery (exported around the world) have, taken together, made me look at America in a much more critical and unforgiving way. I am rather glad it is a power in swift relative decline, it is half mad and a danger to others.

    I miss the old America, generous, sane and sensible, for all its flaws. But it seems to have gone for good. I just wish the replacement wasn't China.

    Would that be the America of Jim Crow and the KKK? Of Operation Condor? Of Mayor Daley and Tammany Hall?

    I lived in America for five formative years. The one thing about America to be certain of is that it contains the worst of mankind as well as the best, incredible beauty as well as trashy ugliness, of high ideas and the lowest common denominator. It has always been both a shining city on the hill, and home of some of the darkest deeds.

    In that, nothing has changed. Indeed I would argue that pretty much all countries have their dark side as well as positive ones. It is just that in America we see more of it.
    The America of the Moon Landings, that's the America I miss. That, for me, was Peak America. Deeply flawed - as you say - still riven with racial divide - but wow, they put a man on the moon: more than 50 fucking years ago. 50 years ago!!! Mobile phones were science fiction. Thruppeny bits were a thing. We all ate cheese in triangles. A man on the fucking moon!??!!

    That's the America that, sadly, seems to have departed this world. Superbly optimistic, absolutely self confident - NOT self hating - truly generous in spirit, if ugly in its power, sometimes. An America ascendant that wanted to help the world, and did so.

    Gone gone gone.
    Get a grip man.

    That same America has revolutionised personal transport with Tesla as they did with Ford. That same America has revolutionised private space travel with SpaceX and other private space companies.

    Not everything is seen through the guise of "woke" or "anti-woke".
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 64,759
    edited March 8

    Sorry, republicans:

    tps://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1369064154611466244?s=20

    Nobody is going to say otherwise for as long as QEII breathes, republicans understand that.

    An appropriate amount of time after she enters the history records its a different matter.
    Except those naughty Barbadosians. Why can't they be more like the Saint Vincentians?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 15,032
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    The royal family will survive, most of us British could not care less what some narcissistic California based multimillionaires trashing the brand which made them say

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1368959692475613186?s=20

    It's not just California, the New York Times, which has developed some weird Fear and Loathing of Britain, possibly because Brexit (but I'm not sure why), is practically having an orgasm
    I have to say I am now feeling about as cold towards America as I have been in my lifetime, though mainly the sneering liberal coastal elite part of it
    Trump and the more extreme forms of BLM and Wokery (exported around the world) have, taken together, made me look at America in a much more critical and unforgiving way. I am rather glad it is a power in swift relative decline, it is half mad and a danger to others.

    I miss the old America, generous, sane and sensible, for all its flaws. But it seems to have gone for good. I just wish the replacement wasn't China.

    China was always going to be the replacement as soon as it abandoned Marxism as the largest population on earth.

    China may be an authoritarian dictatorship but one thing you certainly cannot say it is either is filled with left liberal wokery as the new US elite seems to be.

    The US no longer has the strength nor the will to push its agenda and values of freedom and democracy as so much of its elite hates what it and the traditional west stood for, so it no longer deserves to be number 1 really either.

    Instead we are moving to a more multipolar world where China, the US and India will lead but none having supreme power
    People dismiss Wokery as a passing fad, but it is actually a serious menace to America's prosperity. I could choose any number of examples - check the abolition of SATS - but let's go for something more surprising. AI and GPT3

    The whole field has been invaded by Wokeyness and is now bedevilled.



    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2021/02/20/google-sacks-second-ethical-ai-researcher-amid-censorship-storm/


    I can easily foresee this incredible technology going unused, or being crippled - in America - as it is surrounded by furious rows over alleged bias in the algorithms. Lots of AI researchers are worried this will happen.

    Who will benefit? China, of course. They will build GPT4 and they won't give a toss about its political correctness, or lack of.

    Indeed, superpowers don't get to be superpowers by guilt and self hate, they get to be superpowers by ruthlessness, strength and fierce patriotism.

    Yes we need to treat people of all backgrounds and races fairly and equally but no we do not need to be filled by self hate, with that comes weakness in terms of leadership, weakness in terms of projection of values and weakness economically as well
    Says the guy who hates the "liberal left woke" part of his country.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 5,746

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    I wonder if anyone will respond with a counter-interview. I suppose the right thing to do is hope it dies down, which I think it will. It's pretty thin gruel. If there were to be one it would be William and Kate.

    The best response would be to say nothing other than to express good-will towards them and wish them every happiness in the future.
    They probably will, officially, as it is the right move, but there's clearly a war going on, and briefings come from somewhere and presumably still would, since why let the opponent launch unanswered salvoes? (reasoning both sides no doubt employ)
    If they do counter-brief (probably unwise) then they need something better than the rather lame stories about bullying. It's bad if these stories are true, but it's trivial compared to the allegations Harry and Meg are making.

    Some of them are quite specific and quite shocking.

    eg Did the Royal Household really confiscate Meghan's passport and driving licence?! I find it very hard to believe. Why would they do that? That's basically kidnapping. However it is the kind of detailed allegation that probably does require explicit refutation. Which is why, I fear, the Royals can't just remain loftily silent, even tho that would be preferable, in many ways
    It probably depends on your point of view. I can well imagine that the Palace private secretaries usually look after the passports and the like, and just generally “make that stuff happen”. You might see that as having it confiscated, if you wish to do so.
    Yes, that is surely what happened. It's a "detail taken care of by staff", not an "attempt to imprison her". She could have asked for them back any time, and they would have appeared within minutes.

    Much of Meghan's story - not all - sounds like lurid fantasy, based on misinterpretation (at best). But it does need point by point rebuttal, unfortunately
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 23,144
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    The royal family will survive, most of us British could not care less what some narcissistic California based multimillionaires trashing the brand which made them say

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1368959692475613186?s=20

    It's not just California, the New York Times, which has developed some weird Fear and Loathing of Britain, possibly because Brexit (but I'm not sure why), is practically having an orgasm
    I have to say I am now feeling about as cold towards America as I have been in my lifetime, though mainly the sneering liberal coastal elite part of it
    Trump and the more extreme forms of BLM and Wokery (exported around the world) have, taken together, made me look at America in a much more critical and unforgiving way. I am rather glad it is a power in swift relative decline, it is half mad and a danger to others.

    I miss the old America, generous, sane and sensible, for all its flaws. But it seems to have gone for good. I just wish the replacement wasn't China.

    Would that be the America of Jim Crow and the KKK? Of Operation Condor? Of Mayor Daley and Tammany Hall?

    I lived in America for five formative years. The one thing about America to be certain of is that it contains the worst of mankind as well as the best, incredible beauty as well as trashy ugliness, of high ideas and the lowest common denominator. It has always been both a shining city on the hill, and home of some of the darkest deeds.

    In that, nothing has changed. Indeed I would argue that pretty much all countries have their dark side as well as positive ones. It is just that in America we see more of it.
    The America of the Moon Landings, that's the America I miss. That, for me, was Peak America. Deeply flawed - as you say - still riven with racial divide - but wow, they put a man on the moon: more than 50 fucking years ago. 50 years ago!!! Mobile phones were science fiction. Thruppeny bits were a thing. We all ate cheese in triangles. A man on the fucking moon!??!!

    That's the America that, sadly, seems to have departed this world. Superbly optimistic, absolutely self confident - NOT self hating - truly generous in spirit, if ugly in its power, sometimes. An America ascendant that wanted to help the world, and did so.

    Gone gone gone.
    That being the same year that America was dropping napalm on Vietnamese children, and draftees were fragging their officers.

    Even in 1969 America had its dark side simultaneously on show.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 36,847

    It is almost completely certain, in my view.

    I heard questions of curiosity about the baby at the time of the "is it ginger?" type.

    Some members of the public were just curious. A handful were malicious.

    As far as I can tell the royal family were delighted.

    With a ginger?

    I don't think that's very likely, do you?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 20,729
    Didn't watch it but feel that I have.

    For me the shocker would have been no racism in the Royal Family. So this did not live up to the hype. I expected more than a revelation that one member showed concern about how dark the baby would be. And even that could have been something more crass than vile.

    Nevertheless providing that was the truth about suicidal thoughts and getting no support from the palace my sympathies lie with the couple. And I think it must be the truth because lying about such a thing would make Meghan a truly bad person. Which is unlikely.

    And of course the tabloids here are absolute filth.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 19,718
    dixiedean said:

    Cyclefree said:

    OK - forget the soap opera nonsense. Like most soaps the story is full of holes, obvious questions aren't asked and the drama is over-egged and over-acted.

    Here is the important (to me) news.

    This week:-

    1. My husband got his vaccine. Astra-Zeneca.
    2. It is now just over 3 weeks since I got my first Pfizer jab.
    3. We finally moved into the Lake District home we started rebuilding in summer of 2018 - with most of the first year taken up with building regs stuff, the next six months with getting quotes and quite a lot of the remaining delay caused by Covid. There is still some small stuff to be done but we are 97% of the way there. It has been quite a journey.
    4. I have lots of land on which to garden to my heart's content.
    5. Daughter is doing a special Greek meal takeaway for Mother's Day, which always goes down well and is fully booked. The business may even survive rrolic until late May.
    6. Daughter's cat is pregnant. This may be a mixed blessing given the new wallpaper in the house - but the kittens are, I am assured, spoken for ......

    The only fly in the ointment is that I have damaged a knee tendon. But this is a time to count one's blessings. The weather has been quite spring-like of late and it's amazing how cheering daffodils can be.

    On the other hand. You live in Cumbria. It'll piss down long and hard and soon!
    Really nice to hear you're feeling more chipper.
    Cumbria is a gorgeous place. I have views of the sea and mountains from my windows. I am a mile from one of the most beautiful beaches in Britain. The birdsong and the night sky are amazing. Lambs frolic in the fields nearby. The air is good for my lungs. And the sunsets and sunrises are quite spectacular.

    I don't care about rain. Rather like it in fact as it makes the garden grow.

    I may even join the WI and complete my journey into deepest Middle England .....
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 4,303
    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    It is almost completely certain, in my view.

    I heard questions of curiosity about the baby at the time of the "is it ginger?" type.

    Some members of the public were just curious. A handful were malicious.

    As far as I can tell the royal family were delighted.

    I would have thought it would be a question most families in that situation would wonder about, in the way we all wonder what features our kids will take from our partners and ourselves. It is a bit odd to expect a definitive answer from the parents pre birth whatever the motivation anyway, don’t you think? How would they know?

    I didn’t even realise Meghan was black until I read about it in the papers
    Yes, but the Royal Family is different to other families. Genealogy and bloodline is the core to Royal legitimacy. They are who they are because of their breeding, from a long line of other Royal and aristocratic forebears.

    If you cease to believe in genetic superiority, then the Royal Family loses its foundation.
    Nobody actually believes in genetic superiority anymore. It's why if you were starting from zero you'd never choose monarchy as a system. It's just that they were already in place, so you stick with the family you have.

    A bit like with the change to ultimate primogeniture, I wonder if the monarch had been unable to provide children for whatever reason, whether there would be a push to allow adopted children to inherit. Of course historically you'd just shift to next in line, but if a royal couple could not conceive and wanted to adopt a child, with nothing to do with being heir, I feel like the question would come up, even though it undermines the underpinnings of the concept.
    You and I may well not believe in genetic determinism any more, but you can bet your life that senior courtiers do.

    Indeed, I suspect that is where the poison comes from. The Royals are family after all, so have some filial and fraternal loyalty. It is the courtiers, equerrys and flunkies that have most invested in the institution.
    As I keep on saying, folks upset about The Interview should direct their ire - righteous or otherwise - at the chinless wonders investing the Palace, who are the ones MOST responsible for this fine mess.

    Sneering down their noses while battening on the fat of the land . . . and fucking up royally as per House of Windsor-Mountbatten-Whatever tradition.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 64,759
    kinabalu said:

    Didn't watch it but feel that I have.

    No kidding. Might as well be squatting in Harry and Meghan's spare bedroom.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 5,746
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    The royal family will survive, most of us British could not care less what some narcissistic California based multimillionaires trashing the brand which made them say

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1368959692475613186?s=20

    It's not just California, the New York Times, which has developed some weird Fear and Loathing of Britain, possibly because Brexit (but I'm not sure why), is practically having an orgasm
    I have to say I am now feeling about as cold towards America as I have been in my lifetime, though mainly the sneering liberal coastal elite part of it
    Trump and the more extreme forms of BLM and Wokery (exported around the world) have, taken together, made me look at America in a much more critical and unforgiving way. I am rather glad it is a power in swift relative decline, it is half mad and a danger to others.

    I miss the old America, generous, sane and sensible, for all its flaws. But it seems to have gone for good. I just wish the replacement wasn't China.

    Would that be the America of Jim Crow and the KKK? Of Operation Condor? Of Mayor Daley and Tammany Hall?

    I lived in America for five formative years. The one thing about America to be certain of is that it contains the worst of mankind as well as the best, incredible beauty as well as trashy ugliness, of high ideas and the lowest common denominator. It has always been both a shining city on the hill, and home of some of the darkest deeds.

    In that, nothing has changed. Indeed I would argue that pretty much all countries have their dark side as well as positive ones. It is just that in America we see more of it.
    The America of the Moon Landings, that's the America I miss. That, for me, was Peak America. Deeply flawed - as you say - still riven with racial divide - but wow, they put a man on the moon: more than 50 fucking years ago. 50 years ago!!! Mobile phones were science fiction. Thruppeny bits were a thing. We all ate cheese in triangles. A man on the fucking moon!??!!

    That's the America that, sadly, seems to have departed this world. Superbly optimistic, absolutely self confident - NOT self hating - truly generous in spirit, if ugly in its power, sometimes. An America ascendant that wanted to help the world, and did so.

    Gone gone gone.
    That being the same year that America was dropping napalm on Vietnamese children, and draftees were fragging their officers.

    Even in 1969 America had its dark side simultaneously on show.
    "Ugly in its powers, sometimes" is what I actually said. In that comment.

    I still want that flawed but confident America back, but wishing won't make it happen. THAT America made the world safer and more democratic. Now America hates itself and is bitterly polarised, and in the last decade the world has got significantly less free, as China has risen.

    These things are not unconnected.


    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/02/02/global-democracy-has-a-very-bad-year
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 53,948
    edited March 8
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    The royal family will survive, most of us British could not care less what some narcissistic California based multimillionaires trashing the brand which made them say

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1368959692475613186?s=20

    It's not just California, the New York Times, which has developed some weird Fear and Loathing of Britain, possibly because Brexit (but I'm not sure why), is practically having an orgasm
    I have to say I am now feeling about as cold towards America as I have been in my lifetime, though mainly the sneering liberal coastal elite part of it
    Trump and the more extreme forms of BLM and Wokery (exported around the world) have, taken together, made me look at America in a much more critical and unforgiving way. I am rather glad it is a power in swift relative decline, it is half mad and a danger to others.

    I miss the old America, generous, sane and sensible, for all its flaws. But it seems to have gone for good. I just wish the replacement wasn't China.

    China was always going to be the replacement as soon as it abandoned Marxism as the largest population on earth.

    China may be an authoritarian dictatorship but one thing you certainly cannot say it is either is filled with left liberal wokery as the new US elite seems to be.

    The US no longer has the strength nor the will to push its agenda and values of freedom and democracy as so much of its elite hates what it and the traditional west stood for, so it no longer deserves to be number 1 really either.

    Instead we are moving to a more multipolar world where China, the US and India will lead but none having supreme power
    People dismiss Wokery as a passing fad, but it is actually a serious menace to America's prosperity. I could choose any number of examples - check the abolition of SATS - but let's go for something more surprising. AI and GPT3

    The whole field has been invaded by Wokeyness and is now bedevilled.



    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2021/02/20/google-sacks-second-ethical-ai-researcher-amid-censorship-storm/


    I can easily foresee this incredible technology going unused, or being crippled - in America - as it is surrounded by furious rows over alleged bias in the algorithms. Lots of AI researchers are worried this will happen.

    Who will benefit? China, of course. They will build GPT4 and they won't give a toss about its political correctness, or lack of.

    Indeed, superpowers don't get to be superpowers by guilt and self hate, they get to be superpowers by ruthlessness, strength and fierce patriotism.

    Yes we need to treat people of all backgrounds and races fairly and equally but no we do not need to be filled by self hate, with that comes weakness in terms of leadership, weakness in terms of projection of values and weakness economically as well
    Completely preposterous bullshit that shows you don't know anything about America.

    "Guilt and self hate" is a strength not a weakness. It is America's forte and it has riven American for hundreds of years, though thankfully not as badly as the 1850s and 1860s, but it never stopped.

    The 1960s when America was putting a man on the moon was when flower power activists and antiwar activists were challenging the Vietnam War, the draft and the age of social and sexual revolutions was going on. It was the decade of "I have a Dream" and countless challenges to civil rights.

    America's strength is its ability to fight and challenge itself to be the best version of itself it can be. What you see as a weakness is its fundamental long running principle that leads America to evolve from strength to strength while "strong" regimes become stale, rot from the inside out and eventually collapse.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 4,303
    kle4 said:

    Sorry, republicans:

    tps://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1369064154611466244?s=20

    Nobody is going to say otherwise for as long as QEII breathes, republicans understand that.

    An appropriate amount of time after she enters the history records its a different matter.
    Except those naughty Barbadosians. Why can't they be more like the Saint Vincentians?
    Tis the bad Irish seed. Blame Cromwell for it.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 36,847
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    The royal family will survive, most of us British could not care less what some narcissistic California based multimillionaires trashing the brand which made them say

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1368959692475613186?s=20

    I mean, 47% is a minority. I expected that to be higher to be honest.
    It is a more than 2 to 1 margin against the interview
    Yeah, but it's still a minority, which is interesting in itself.
    No it isn't, there is bound to be a division, the fact only 21% ie less than a quarter, think it was appropriate is the shocking stat
    Yes it is. I expected support for the Royal Family to be higher. The fact it isn't is interesting to me.

    What it shows is that a ton of people are indifferent, which I guess is as expected.

    Not everyone is crying into their porridge about the "sneering west coast liberal treatment of OUR Royal Family"
    No it isn't, you are a leftwing liberal with an ideological anti monarchy agenda.

    You will obviously spin any poll to suit your message
    Thank goodness there's no-one else on PB who would possibly spin a poll to suit their existing preconceptions.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 36,847
    Floater said:
    That's like saying "they bought a house in the Bristol area of London"
  • LeonLeon Posts: 5,746

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    The royal family will survive, most of us British could not care less what some narcissistic California based multimillionaires trashing the brand which made them say

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1368959692475613186?s=20

    It's not just California, the New York Times, which has developed some weird Fear and Loathing of Britain, possibly because Brexit (but I'm not sure why), is practically having an orgasm
    I have to say I am now feeling about as cold towards America as I have been in my lifetime, though mainly the sneering liberal coastal elite part of it
    Trump and the more extreme forms of BLM and Wokery (exported around the world) have, taken together, made me look at America in a much more critical and unforgiving way. I am rather glad it is a power in swift relative decline, it is half mad and a danger to others.

    I miss the old America, generous, sane and sensible, for all its flaws. But it seems to have gone for good. I just wish the replacement wasn't China.

    Would that be the America of Jim Crow and the KKK? Of Operation Condor? Of Mayor Daley and Tammany Hall?

    I lived in America for five formative years. The one thing about America to be certain of is that it contains the worst of mankind as well as the best, incredible beauty as well as trashy ugliness, of high ideas and the lowest common denominator. It has always been both a shining city on the hill, and home of some of the darkest deeds.

    In that, nothing has changed. Indeed I would argue that pretty much all countries have their dark side as well as positive ones. It is just that in America we see more of it.
    The America of the Moon Landings, that's the America I miss. That, for me, was Peak America. Deeply flawed - as you say - still riven with racial divide - but wow, they put a man on the moon: more than 50 fucking years ago. 50 years ago!!! Mobile phones were science fiction. Thruppeny bits were a thing. We all ate cheese in triangles. A man on the fucking moon!??!!

    That's the America that, sadly, seems to have departed this world. Superbly optimistic, absolutely self confident - NOT self hating - truly generous in spirit, if ugly in its power, sometimes. An America ascendant that wanted to help the world, and did so.

    Gone gone gone.
    Get a grip man.

    That same America has revolutionised personal transport with Tesla as they did with Ford. That same America has revolutionised private space travel with SpaceX and other private space companies.

    Not everything is seen through the guise of "woke" or "anti-woke".

    America's economy as a share of global GDP

    https://twitter.com/Scacciavillani/status/1332339682886242304?s=20

    50% to 14%

    A monumental shift. Yes, America has brilliant companies and world-class innovation. But the decline is brisk
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 4,303
    edited March 8
    On the lighter side of the news . . .

    Politico.com - New York AG names legal team to lead Cuomo probe

    A former U.S Attorney for the Southern District of New York and an employment discrimination attorney will be leading an investigation into accusations of harassment against New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo.

    New York Attorney General Tish James announced Monday that Joon Kim, the former prosecutor, and Anne Clark would head up the investigation.

    Kim was a top deputy for former U.S. attorney Preet Bharara, who investigated the Cuomo administration's shutdown of a commission charged with looking into corruption in state government several years ago. He served 10 months as acting U.S. attorney after Bharara's departure in 2017. He also led the prosecution of former Cuomo aide Joe Percoco, a top political adviser whom Cuomo likened to a brother. Percoco was sentenced in 2018 to six years in prison on corruption charges. Kim also handled parts of an investigation into New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio’s fundraising.

    https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/city-hall/story/2021/03/08/new-york-ag-names-legal-team-to-lead-cuomo-probe-1367419

    AND THIS

    Politico.com - Cuomo leans on crisis management playbook as walls close in
    The New York Democrat’s reign as "America’s governor" may have come to an end, but it’s far less certain that his actual governorship is end-stage.

    From all appearances, the implosion of Andrew Cuomo is near complete. Top aides are leaving his office, and new revelations about his nursing home scandal continue to drip out. Over the weekend, the newspaper of record in his adopted hometown called for his resignation, while two more former aides came forward with accusations of inappropriate conduct.

    On Sunday, Democrats at the helm of the state Legislature broke ranks, with the Senate majority leader, Andrea Stewart-Cousins, saying Cuomo “must resign” and the Assembly speaker, Carl Heastie, suggesting that, for the good of the state, Cuomo should “seriously consider” whether to remain in office.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/07/cuomo-crisis-management-playbook-474191

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