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Ipsos finds that 90% now say they’d take a COVID vaccine – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 11,017
edited March 2021 in General
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,658
    First!
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,204
    Where's the "marked increase"?

    Both ethnic sets have added 7% by my reading.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,077
    fpt for anyone on Salmondgate

    Sure. At sea. But not in British politics. It is outrageous: what she tried to do to Salmond

    Yes yes yes, I'm a Yoon and a Brexiteer and I hate haggis

    One of the (few) relevant questions being asked by bewildered Nats on Twitter is: why did she do it? Why even go near this? She was the anointed successor. A cool, clever politician, with a great future. Did she really fear Salmond's return to Edinburgh that much?

    I don't buy it. I do believe she was involved in this conspiracy, but I am not yet clear on the motive. Bewildering
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,955
    Off topic. But what is the point of a Budget when it has all been in the papers? Used to be one of the political highlights.
    Are they scared of an Osbourne pasty tax reaction or summat?
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,989
    Leon said:

    fpt for anyone on Salmondgate

    Sure. At sea. But not in British politics. It is outrageous: what she tried to do to Salmond

    Yes yes yes, I'm a Yoon and a Brexiteer and I hate haggis

    One of the (few) relevant questions being asked by bewildered Nats on Twitter is: why did she do it? Why even go near this? She was the anointed successor. A cool, clever politician, with a great future. Did she really fear Salmond's return to Edinburgh that much?

    I don't buy it. I do believe she was involved in this conspiracy, but I am not yet clear on the motive. Bewildering

    But you haven't heard her evidence yet. Good job you're not on the jury.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,814
    I'm still waiting to be invited
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,137
    Leon said:

    fpt for anyone on Salmondgate

    Sure. At sea. But not in British politics. It is outrageous: what she tried to do to Salmond

    Yes yes yes, I'm a Yoon and a Brexiteer and I hate haggis

    One of the (few) relevant questions being asked by bewildered Nats on Twitter is: why did she do it? Why even go near this? She was the anointed successor. A cool, clever politician, with a great future. Did she really fear Salmond's return to Edinburgh that much?

    I don't buy it. I do believe she was involved in this conspiracy, but I am not yet clear on the motive. Bewildering

    Maybe some form of revenge against a past transgression of Salmond’s? His own advocate admitted he was not always a gentleman.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725
    dixiedean said:

    Off topic. But what is the point of a Budget when it has all been in the papers? Used to be one of the political highlights.
    Are they scared of an Osbourne pasty tax reaction or summat?

    Yes. And they want to embed the good stories in peoples' minds, which requires build up, or give themselves time to tweak or remove things that get a bad reaction, or at least figure out how better to sell it.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Where's the "marked increase"?

    Both ethnic sets have added 7% by my reading.

    Which is half the white refuseniks changing their mind, but less than a third of minority refuseniks doing so.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,955
    Barnesian said:

    Leon said:

    fpt for anyone on Salmondgate

    Sure. At sea. But not in British politics. It is outrageous: what she tried to do to Salmond

    Yes yes yes, I'm a Yoon and a Brexiteer and I hate haggis

    One of the (few) relevant questions being asked by bewildered Nats on Twitter is: why did she do it? Why even go near this? She was the anointed successor. A cool, clever politician, with a great future. Did she really fear Salmond's return to Edinburgh that much?

    I don't buy it. I do believe she was involved in this conspiracy, but I am not yet clear on the motive. Bewildering

    But you haven't heard her evidence yet. Good job you're not on the jury.
    Even better he's not the judge. He'd pass sentence after the prosecution rests.
    Anyway. We know. Lying is OK, and no one ever resigns or is sacked, except for disloyalty. That's the way to win a majority.
    We are one United Kingdom after all.
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    Leon said:

    One of the (few) relevant questions being asked by bewildered Nats on Twitter is: why did she do it? Why even go near this? She was the anointed successor. A cool, clever politician, with a great future. Did she really fear Salmond's return to Edinburgh that much?

    Seems she did fear him enough, it's the only plausible explanation. It's been clear for a while now that Nicola Sturgeon's one and only priority is to remain FM. Any threat to her position must be taken care of.

    There may be a degree of envy in the fear. Sturgeon is by any measure a successful and capable politician, but she must know deep down she's no match for Alex Salmond, who even his enemies will admit is a political talent of exceptional quality.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,067
    Perhaps someone would like to explain vaccination rates in the NHS (77% and only 66% in London) and care homes (54%):

    https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-vaccinations/
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    squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,341
    Barnesian said:

    Leon said:

    fpt for anyone on Salmondgate

    Sure. At sea. But not in British politics. It is outrageous: what she tried to do to Salmond

    Yes yes yes, I'm a Yoon and a Brexiteer and I hate haggis

    One of the (few) relevant questions being asked by bewildered Nats on Twitter is: why did she do it? Why even go near this? She was the anointed successor. A cool, clever politician, with a great future. Did she really fear Salmond's return to Edinburgh that much?

    I don't buy it. I do believe she was involved in this conspiracy, but I am not yet clear on the motive. Bewildering

    But you haven't heard her evidence yet. Good job you're not on the jury.
    One can never ceased to be amazed at lawyers. Of what I heard of the Hutton enquiry, the legal outcome was totally contrary to what I thought it should be. So I am not holding my breath one way or another.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962
    edited March 2021
    GIN1138 said:

    I'm still waiting to be invited

    Have you tried on the NHS website? If you are over 60 you can do it there.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725
    Very Trumpian.

    Just kidding, that's just what politicians do if a scandal breaks near election time.
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    I'm here to haunt this thread now

    Thank god we haven't had anybody remotely influential criticising our vaccine strategy since it started.

    Have all those here that piled on against us leaving the EMA (and the future EU vaccine procurement mess) given suitably red-faced retractions yet?

    @williamg is your role model
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,320
    Good news. I hear they're already cutting into the 40s in London.

    Can't be too much longer until that spreads elsewhere, which means the 30s perhaps by late April?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,204
    kle4 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Off topic. But what is the point of a Budget when it has all been in the papers? Used to be one of the political highlights.
    Are they scared of an Osbourne pasty tax reaction or summat?

    Yes. And they want to embed the good stories in peoples' minds, which requires build up, or give themselves time to tweak or remove things that get a bad reaction, or at least figure out how better to sell it.
    Dalton resigned as CoE for telling a journalist something about the Budget the day before.

    Now the whole thing starts being played out into the media from about a week beforehand.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,814
    RobD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I'm still waiting to be invited

    Have you tried on the NHS website? If you are over 60 you can do it there.
    I'm 43. So I have a while to wait yet I think ;)
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    Furlough extended again, how are we ever going to pay for it? I support it in principle.

    Are we delaying the inevitable? At one point a load of job losses are coming, no?
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,280
    edited March 2021
    GIN1138 said:

    RobD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I'm still waiting to be invited

    Have you tried on the NHS website? If you are over 60 you can do it there.
    I'm 43. So I have a while to wait yet I think ;)
    My 46 year old son was given an appointment today for Friday
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,204
    GIN1138 said:

    I'm still waiting to be invited

    Do you have reason to believe you should have been by now?

    My local council sends out regular emails saying if you are in group X then no need to wait for the letter. Currently X is 60-64 year olds and vulnerables.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725

    I'm here to haunt this thread now

    Thank god we haven't had anybody remotely influential criticising our vaccine strategy since it started.

    Have all those here that piled on against us leaving the EMA (and the future EU vaccine procurement mess) given suitably red-faced retractions yet?

    @williamg is your role model

    Mostly, though I don't think we need an affidavit from everyone, virtual kowtowing should be enough to avoid the need for seppuku.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,077
    dixiedean said:

    Barnesian said:

    Leon said:

    fpt for anyone on Salmondgate

    Sure. At sea. But not in British politics. It is outrageous: what she tried to do to Salmond

    Yes yes yes, I'm a Yoon and a Brexiteer and I hate haggis

    One of the (few) relevant questions being asked by bewildered Nats on Twitter is: why did she do it? Why even go near this? She was the anointed successor. A cool, clever politician, with a great future. Did she really fear Salmond's return to Edinburgh that much?

    I don't buy it. I do believe she was involved in this conspiracy, but I am not yet clear on the motive. Bewildering

    But you haven't heard her evidence yet. Good job you're not on the jury.
    Even better he's not the judge. He'd pass sentence after the prosecution rests.
    Anyway. We know. Lying is OK, and no one ever resigns or is sacked, except for disloyalty. That's the way to win a majority.
    We are one United Kingdom after all.
    No, In the one party McBanana republic that is Scotland, I do not trust this SNP dommed committee to deliver a just verdict. That is all

    If I felt the Law was acting Lawfully in Scotland I would be waaaaaay more sanguine
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,658

    Good news. I hear they're already cutting into the 40s in London.

    Can't be too much longer until that spreads elsewhere, which means the 30s perhaps by late April?

    Good news if true but note of caution: Once we get into April there are 2.5m 2nd doses required each week.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,501
    dixiedean said:

    Off topic. But what is the point of a Budget when it has all been in the papers? Used to be one of the political highlights.
    Are they scared of an Osbourne pasty tax reaction or summat?

    Perhaps it isn't :-)

    Tomorrow you will find out that Council Tax is being reformed, that fossil fuels will be rising in price from next year, that CGT is increasing from Thursday, and that the huge market distorting loophole that is CGT exemption on main dwelling is being correctly abolished over 5 years.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,658
    RobD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I'm still waiting to be invited

    Have you tried on the NHS website? If you are over 60 you can do it there.

    Agreed. Don't wait for an invite @GIN1138, go on-line!
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    I'm here to haunt this thread now

    Thank god we haven't had anybody remotely influential criticising our vaccine strategy since it started.

    Have all those here that piled on against us leaving the EMA (and the future EU vaccine procurement mess) given suitably red-faced retractions yet?

    @williamg is your role model

    Sorry @WilliamGlen didn't metion you properly!
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,955
    This 54 year old has heard nowt. Unlike Cameron and Jeremy Hunt.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,105
    Barnesian said:

    Leon said:

    fpt for anyone on Salmondgate

    Sure. At sea. But not in British politics. It is outrageous: what she tried to do to Salmond

    Yes yes yes, I'm a Yoon and a Brexiteer and I hate haggis

    One of the (few) relevant questions being asked by bewildered Nats on Twitter is: why did she do it? Why even go near this? She was the anointed successor. A cool, clever politician, with a great future. Did she really fear Salmond's return to Edinburgh that much?

    I don't buy it. I do believe she was involved in this conspiracy, but I am not yet clear on the motive. Bewildering

    But you haven't heard her evidence yet. Good job you're not on the jury.
    She has to do some fancy footwork to overcome that ferocious blast from her own lawyers. It is going to be bravura for sure.

    More likely is she comes out of it a laughing stock. Contortion on obfuscation. With lots of unsteady memories. Which in itself will be a gift to her political foes.

    BTW, her woes were the second item on the 10 o'clock news behind the Budget.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,204

    Furlough extended again, how are we ever going to pay for it? I support it in principle.

    Are we delaying the inevitable? At one point a load of job losses are coming, no?

    Maybe Sunak hopes to be PM by the time the furlough ends and the big trouble really starts? :smiley:
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962

    Furlough extended again, how are we ever going to pay for it? I support it in principle.

    Are we delaying the inevitable? At one point a load of job losses are coming, no?

    I suspect it’ll be for the businesses that are legally compelled to cease operations. A number that will reduce significantly over time.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725

    Furlough extended again, how are we ever going to pay for it? I support it in principle.

    Are we delaying the inevitable? At one point a load of job losses are coming, no?

    We're not ever going to pay for it. And there's 'levelling up' to pay for.

    I presume the plan is to mitigate short term damage, to the point we can veerrry slowly take measures of marginal tax increases in the future to pretend that we might one day pay for it.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,077

    Leon said:

    One of the (few) relevant questions being asked by bewildered Nats on Twitter is: why did she do it? Why even go near this? She was the anointed successor. A cool, clever politician, with a great future. Did she really fear Salmond's return to Edinburgh that much?

    Seems she did fear him enough, it's the only plausible explanation. It's been clear for a while now that Nicola Sturgeon's one and only priority is to remain FM. Any threat to her position must be taken care of.

    There may be a degree of envy in the fear. Sturgeon is by any measure a successful and capable politician, but she must know deep down she's no match for Alex Salmond, who even his enemies will admit is a political talent of exceptional quality.
    I've always thought Alex Salmond would have made a brilliant prime minister of the UK. He is, definitely, that good. Better than any UK politician since Blair, and probably better than that. So, Thatcher is his only equal post war.

    This is one reason I oppose Devolution. Selfishly, as an English Brit, I want us to be able to promote skilful Scottish politicians. Scots are good at politics. It is a talent pool.
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    I'm here to haunt this thread now

    Thank god we haven't had anybody remotely influential criticising our vaccine strategy since it started.

    Have all those here that piled on against us leaving the EMA (and the future EU vaccine procurement mess) given suitably red-faced retractions yet?

    @williamg is your role model

    Sorry @WilliamGlen didn't metion you properly!
    @WilliamGlenn third time lucky..
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,204

    Furlough extended again, how are we ever going to pay for it? I support it in principle.

    Are we delaying the inevitable? At one point a load of job losses are coming, no?

    It's being paid for by government debt, some of which is being bought by the Bank of England.

    I'm sure they know what they are doing, but it makes me nervous.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,814
    OK thanks everyone. I'll check it out. :D
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    isamisam Posts: 40,916
    How can people hide behind ‘vaccine bounce’ excuse for the Tories recent poll leads whilst simultaneously thinking Labour closed the gap last year due to anything other than the Covid crisis?
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    kle4 said:

    Furlough extended again, how are we ever going to pay for it? I support it in principle.

    Are we delaying the inevitable? At one point a load of job losses are coming, no?

    We're not ever going to pay for it. And there's 'levelling up' to pay for.

    I presume the plan is to mitigate short term damage, to the point we can veerrry slowly take measures of marginal tax increases in the future to pretend that we might one day pay for it.
    Biden is right, this is a wartime effort. This will be 'paid for' by the same way we paid for WWII.
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    Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 8,844
    FPT
    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Roger said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:


    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Brom said:

    There is no Sturgeon exit date market is there? I can only see one for Boris and Starmer. Her position is looking increasingly perilous.

    Even if she somehow survives, she is finished as a politician in the medium term. No one can sustain this much damage to their political reputation, and prosper. Not even in Zimbabwe, sorry, Scotland
    The closest world event to this is Putin locking up Navalny. It's off the scale in terms of fucked up IMO.
    It beggars belief. It is Boris conspiring to jail Starmer, with Carrie and the Met Police and the CPS and the Attorney General all in on the plan, and apparently happy to go along, even when the hired QCs say No, Stop, this is totally illegal.

    Scotland is better than this. Or it should be
    Well, when you put it like that... Mmm. As someone pretty into politics generally but only slightly into Scottish affairs, I'm not convinced this will force a resignation - X who I've never heard of may have discussed Y with Z on date A and maybe Sturgeon has conveniently "forgotten". It sounds messy and technical, and the Tories rushing out a VONC makes me think it's some kind of party squabble. I can see from other posts here that it's actually very serious, but I think the lay voter, who thinks that all politicians lie from time to time, will just shake his head bemusedly.
    Just seen the new Labour leader on Ch 4 News. A very reasonable and impressive woman. A nice change from the last few who were above all else opportunists. My guess is Nicola will walk through this her reputation intact. The desperation of the Tories (more English ones than Scottish) tells you how much they fear her
    You know, Rog, when you get the leader of a party completely wrong, including his gender, it is probably time to shut up shop with the politics, and restrict your comments to movie soundtracks
    Before you make a complete arse of yourself, Roger was talking about the Deputy leader of the Labour MSPs on Ch4 news.

    Still I remember an idiot on here tried to say that the father of Kamala Harris wasn't a black dude.
    Nah, he thought Baillie was the leader. Perhaps, however, it an understandable mistake for an elderly retiree, as she SHOULD have been leader. She is much more impressive than Sarwar

    God, I know too much about Scottish politics. I long for the day when I can ignore it again. Once this FANTASTICALLY juicy scandal has played out
    Sorry TSE is correct. I was talking about Mm Baillie. I'm at least a week out of date. How embarrassing. But MSP Baillie WAS impressive. Maybe they chose unwisely?
    It wasn't unwisely...she is the wrong gender for labour simple as that
    Scottish Labour have had a female leader.
    scottish labour is a branch office
    But the post you replied to was about them.
    Yes and my post was about labour....lets look at the evidence

    Which is the only party that has implemented all women short lists because they felt their members weren't selecting enough female candidates?

    Which is the only major political party never to have had a woman leader?

    Circumstantial evidence I admit but it does point strongly to a conclusion that its a party whose members are somewhat mysogonistic
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,658

    Perhaps someone would like to explain vaccination rates in the NHS (77% and only 66% in London) and care homes (54%):

    https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-vaccinations/

    You ask the question as though any of us are responsible.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    isam said:

    How can people hide behind ‘vaccine bounce’ excuse for the Tories recent poll leads whilst simultaneously thinking Labour closed the gap last year due to anything other than the Covid crisis?

    Because these people know in their hearts that Boris is crap and the public is going to see through him.

    They know in their hearts the only reason Labour lost was because Corbyn was crap and his going would erase all their problems.

    They knew that. So why question it?
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,989

    Barnesian said:

    Leon said:

    fpt for anyone on Salmondgate

    Sure. At sea. But not in British politics. It is outrageous: what she tried to do to Salmond

    Yes yes yes, I'm a Yoon and a Brexiteer and I hate haggis

    One of the (few) relevant questions being asked by bewildered Nats on Twitter is: why did she do it? Why even go near this? She was the anointed successor. A cool, clever politician, with a great future. Did she really fear Salmond's return to Edinburgh that much?

    I don't buy it. I do believe she was involved in this conspiracy, but I am not yet clear on the motive. Bewildering

    But you haven't heard her evidence yet. Good job you're not on the jury.
    One can never ceased to be amazed at lawyers. Of what I heard of the Hutton enquiry, the legal outcome was totally contrary to what I thought it should be. So I am not holding my breath one way or another.
    Yes. The evidence was published on-line at the Hutton enquiry so it was available for all to see.

    Like you, I was totally gobsmacked at Hutton's conclusion and wrote to him personally to tell him he'd fucked up. I suspect I wasn't the only one to do so. I believe he was shocked at the reaction to his verdict.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,187
    edited March 2021
    Pagan2 said:

    FPT

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Roger said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:


    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Brom said:

    There is no Sturgeon exit date market is there? I can only see one for Boris and Starmer. Her position is looking increasingly perilous.

    Even if she somehow survives, she is finished as a politician in the medium term. No one can sustain this much damage to their political reputation, and prosper. Not even in Zimbabwe, sorry, Scotland
    The closest world event to this is Putin locking up Navalny. It's off the scale in terms of fucked up IMO.
    It beggars belief. It is Boris conspiring to jail Starmer, with Carrie and the Met Police and the CPS and the Attorney General all in on the plan, and apparently happy to go along, even when the hired QCs say No, Stop, this is totally illegal.

    Scotland is better than this. Or it should be
    Well, when you put it like that... Mmm. As someone pretty into politics generally but only slightly into Scottish affairs, I'm not convinced this will force a resignation - X who I've never heard of may have discussed Y with Z on date A and maybe Sturgeon has conveniently "forgotten". It sounds messy and technical, and the Tories rushing out a VONC makes me think it's some kind of party squabble. I can see from other posts here that it's actually very serious, but I think the lay voter, who thinks that all politicians lie from time to time, will just shake his head bemusedly.
    Just seen the new Labour leader on Ch 4 News. A very reasonable and impressive woman. A nice change from the last few who were above all else opportunists. My guess is Nicola will walk through this her reputation intact. The desperation of the Tories (more English ones than Scottish) tells you how much they fear her
    You know, Rog, when you get the leader of a party completely wrong, including his gender, it is probably time to shut up shop with the politics, and restrict your comments to movie soundtracks
    Before you make a complete arse of yourself, Roger was talking about the Deputy leader of the Labour MSPs on Ch4 news.

    Still I remember an idiot on here tried to say that the father of Kamala Harris wasn't a black dude.
    Nah, he thought Baillie was the leader. Perhaps, however, it an understandable mistake for an elderly retiree, as she SHOULD have been leader. She is much more impressive than Sarwar

    God, I know too much about Scottish politics. I long for the day when I can ignore it again. Once this FANTASTICALLY juicy scandal has played out
    Sorry TSE is correct. I was talking about Mm Baillie. I'm at least a week out of date. How embarrassing. But MSP Baillie WAS impressive. Maybe they chose unwisely?
    It wasn't unwisely...she is the wrong gender for labour simple as that
    Scottish Labour have had a female leader.
    scottish labour is a branch office
    But the post you replied to was about them.
    Yes and my post was about labour....lets look at the evidence

    Which is the only party that has implemented all women short lists because they felt their members weren't selecting enough female candidates?

    Which is the only major political party never to have had a woman leader?

    Circumstantial evidence I admit but it does point strongly to a conclusion that its a party whose members are somewhat mysogonistic
    Mysogony is everywhere.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,658
    kinabalu said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I'm still waiting to be invited

    Nothing here either. Sense the Authorities saw my posts a few weeks ago arguing we should share supplies instead of hogging them all and they've decided to teach me a lesson.
    Lol. There are conspiracy theories, and then there are paranoid-conspiracy theories. :wink:

    Get on line and book if you're over 60 - don't wait for an invite.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725
    kinabalu said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I'm still waiting to be invited

    Nothing here either. Sense the Authorities saw my posts a few weeks ago arguing we should share supplies instead of hogging them all and they've decided to teach me a lesson.
    Well just post some tweets about how much you love Boris, that should up your social capital a little bit.
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    Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 8,844
    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    FPT

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Roger said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:


    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Brom said:

    There is no Sturgeon exit date market is there? I can only see one for Boris and Starmer. Her position is looking increasingly perilous.

    Even if she somehow survives, she is finished as a politician in the medium term. No one can sustain this much damage to their political reputation, and prosper. Not even in Zimbabwe, sorry, Scotland
    The closest world event to this is Putin locking up Navalny. It's off the scale in terms of fucked up IMO.
    It beggars belief. It is Boris conspiring to jail Starmer, with Carrie and the Met Police and the CPS and the Attorney General all in on the plan, and apparently happy to go along, even when the hired QCs say No, Stop, this is totally illegal.

    Scotland is better than this. Or it should be
    Well, when you put it like that... Mmm. As someone pretty into politics generally but only slightly into Scottish affairs, I'm not convinced this will force a resignation - X who I've never heard of may have discussed Y with Z on date A and maybe Sturgeon has conveniently "forgotten". It sounds messy and technical, and the Tories rushing out a VONC makes me think it's some kind of party squabble. I can see from other posts here that it's actually very serious, but I think the lay voter, who thinks that all politicians lie from time to time, will just shake his head bemusedly.
    Just seen the new Labour leader on Ch 4 News. A very reasonable and impressive woman. A nice change from the last few who were above all else opportunists. My guess is Nicola will walk through this her reputation intact. The desperation of the Tories (more English ones than Scottish) tells you how much they fear her
    You know, Rog, when you get the leader of a party completely wrong, including his gender, it is probably time to shut up shop with the politics, and restrict your comments to movie soundtracks
    Before you make a complete arse of yourself, Roger was talking about the Deputy leader of the Labour MSPs on Ch4 news.

    Still I remember an idiot on here tried to say that the father of Kamala Harris wasn't a black dude.
    Nah, he thought Baillie was the leader. Perhaps, however, it an understandable mistake for an elderly retiree, as she SHOULD have been leader. She is much more impressive than Sarwar

    God, I know too much about Scottish politics. I long for the day when I can ignore it again. Once this FANTASTICALLY juicy scandal has played out
    Sorry TSE is correct. I was talking about Mm Baillie. I'm at least a week out of date. How embarrassing. But MSP Baillie WAS impressive. Maybe they chose unwisely?
    It wasn't unwisely...she is the wrong gender for labour simple as that
    Scottish Labour have had a female leader.
    scottish labour is a branch office
    But the post you replied to was about them.
    Yes and my post was about labour....lets look at the evidence

    Which is the only party that has implemented all women short lists because they felt their members weren't selecting enough female candidates?

    Which is the only major political party never to have had a woman leader?

    Circumstantial evidence I admit but it does point strongly to a conclusion that its a party whose members are somewhat mysogonistic
    Mysogony is everywhere.
    Yes but doesn't a certain party seem to act as a lens focussing it and attracting them. Of course maybe you have an explanation why that certain party needed both measures when no other major political party did? I am happy to read your explanation.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,413
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    One of the (few) relevant questions being asked by bewildered Nats on Twitter is: why did she do it? Why even go near this? She was the anointed successor. A cool, clever politician, with a great future. Did she really fear Salmond's return to Edinburgh that much?

    Seems she did fear him enough, it's the only plausible explanation. It's been clear for a while now that Nicola Sturgeon's one and only priority is to remain FM. Any threat to her position must be taken care of.

    There may be a degree of envy in the fear. Sturgeon is by any measure a successful and capable politician, but she must know deep down she's no match for Alex Salmond, who even his enemies will admit is a political talent of exceptional quality.
    I've always thought Alex Salmond would have made a brilliant prime minister of the UK. He is, definitely, that good. Better than any UK politician since Blair, and probably better than that. So, Thatcher is his only equal post war.

    This is one reason I oppose Devolution. Selfishly, as an English Brit, I want us to be able to promote skilful Scottish politicians. Scots are good at politics. It is a talent pool.
    I remember a conversation with some of our Nat posters after the SNP had done particularly well in an election (forget which), where one was talking up the possibility of a Scotnat reverse takeover of England, a bit like William of Orange and the glorious revolution. I think the intention was to send all of us 'Little Englanders' into a fit of 'anti-Scotch' apoplexy, but I for one was all for it. Why would I object to a takeover by the Scots, if they've actually got good plans for the country? Beats a takeover by the Americans or the EU.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725
    Not sure how i feel about dark red being chosen for the middle of the range, makes me assume it is even worse than it looks.
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    isam said:

    How can people hide behind ‘vaccine bounce’ excuse for the Tories recent poll leads whilst simultaneously thinking Labour closed the gap last year due to anything other than the Covid crisis?

    Who thinks that? Name names who are hiding behind the vaccine bounce.

    Covid 19 has caused all sorts of polling oddities.

    The Tories were polling in the mid 50s with leads of nearly 30% around the time Starmer became leader, to seeing Labour leads to Tory leads of 8%.

    I've done several threads saying I don't know how Covid-19 will play out long term in the polling, I'm not sure when or what the new equilibrium is.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,658
    edited March 2021
    dixiedean said:

    This 54 year old has heard nowt. Unlike Cameron and Jeremy Hunt.

    Really, Cameron and Hunt have been vaccinated? On what basis?

    PS Next week for the 50-60 age group, I reckon.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    kle4 said:

    Not sure how i feel about dark red being chosen for the middle of the range, makes me assume it is even worse than it looks.
    Yes it's terrible. There are lots of fairly well established colour coding system for visualizing this kind of data out there, this is not one I would ever use.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725

    kle4 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Off topic. But what is the point of a Budget when it has all been in the papers? Used to be one of the political highlights.
    Are they scared of an Osbourne pasty tax reaction or summat?

    Yes. And they want to embed the good stories in peoples' minds, which requires build up, or give themselves time to tweak or remove things that get a bad reaction, or at least figure out how better to sell it.
    Dalton resigned as CoE for telling a journalist something about the Budget the day before.

    Now the whole thing starts being played out into the media from about a week beforehand.
    It's the sort of hardline position that just couldn't survive the modern age, with reactions like that far from the norm.
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    Leon said:

    One of the (few) relevant questions being asked by bewildered Nats on Twitter is: why did she do it? Why even go near this? She was the anointed successor. A cool, clever politician, with a great future. Did she really fear Salmond's return to Edinburgh that much?

    Seems she did fear him enough, it's the only plausible explanation. It's been clear for a while now that Nicola Sturgeon's one and only priority is to remain FM. Any threat to her position must be taken care of.

    There may be a degree of envy in the fear. Sturgeon is by any measure a successful and capable politician, but she must know deep down she's no match for Alex Salmond, who even his enemies will admit is a political talent of exceptional quality.
    I think it is much more likely that Sturgeon believed that what she was doing was "right".

    That is, Sturgeon believed that Salmond was guilty of inappropriate behaviour tantamount to sexual harassment and that he should be called to account & convicted.

    It just seems that what evidence there is does not support such a strong conclusion.

    Leslie Evans is a strong feminist, as is Nicola Sturgeon. My guess is that Evans & Sturgeon convinced themselves that the evidence was there if they went looking for it.

    It is a fine line between looking for evidence and entrapment, especially in cases like these where the evidence can be ambiguous & hard to get.
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    Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 8,844

    dixiedean said:

    This 54 year old has heard nowt. Unlike Cameron and Jeremy Hunt.

    Really, Cameron and Hunt have been vaccinated? On what basis?

    PS Next week for the 50-60 age group, I reckon.
    They have moral dysphoria being tories?
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,176
    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    Leon said:

    fpt for anyone on Salmondgate

    Sure. At sea. But not in British politics. It is outrageous: what she tried to do to Salmond

    Yes yes yes, I'm a Yoon and a Brexiteer and I hate haggis

    One of the (few) relevant questions being asked by bewildered Nats on Twitter is: why did she do it? Why even go near this? She was the anointed successor. A cool, clever politician, with a great future. Did she really fear Salmond's return to Edinburgh that much?

    I don't buy it. I do believe she was involved in this conspiracy, but I am not yet clear on the motive. Bewildering

    But you haven't heard her evidence yet. Good job you're not on the jury.
    One can never ceased to be amazed at lawyers. Of what I heard of the Hutton enquiry, the legal outcome was totally contrary to what I thought it should be. So I am not holding my breath one way or another.
    Yes. The evidence was published on-line at the Hutton enquiry so it was available for all to see.

    Like you, I was totally gobsmacked at Hutton's conclusion and wrote to him personally to tell him he'd fucked up. I suspect I wasn't the only one to do so. I believe he was shocked at the reaction to his verdict.
    That french refs not involved tomorrow is he? Salmond should be worried if he is...
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    dixiedean said:

    This 54 year old has heard nowt. Unlike Cameron and Jeremy Hunt.

    Really, Cameron and Hunt have been vaccinated? On what basis?

    PS Next week for the 50-60 age group, I reckon.
    Post code lottery, some places are burning through their priority groups.

    I asked my father and he's zapping through the 50s and 60s

    Youngest person he's vaccinated is 29.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,176

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    One of the (few) relevant questions being asked by bewildered Nats on Twitter is: why did she do it? Why even go near this? She was the anointed successor. A cool, clever politician, with a great future. Did she really fear Salmond's return to Edinburgh that much?

    Seems she did fear him enough, it's the only plausible explanation. It's been clear for a while now that Nicola Sturgeon's one and only priority is to remain FM. Any threat to her position must be taken care of.

    There may be a degree of envy in the fear. Sturgeon is by any measure a successful and capable politician, but she must know deep down she's no match for Alex Salmond, who even his enemies will admit is a political talent of exceptional quality.
    I've always thought Alex Salmond would have made a brilliant prime minister of the UK. He is, definitely, that good. Better than any UK politician since Blair, and probably better than that. So, Thatcher is his only equal post war.

    This is one reason I oppose Devolution. Selfishly, as an English Brit, I want us to be able to promote skilful Scottish politicians. Scots are good at politics. It is a talent pool.
    I remember a conversation with some of our Nat posters after the SNP had done particularly well in an election (forget which), where one was talking up the possibility of a Scotnat reverse takeover of England, a bit like William of Orange and the glorious revolution. I think the intention was to send all of us 'Little Englanders' into a fit of 'anti-Scotch' apoplexy, but I for one was all for it. Why would I object to a takeover by the Scots, if they've actually got good plans for the country? Beats a takeover by the Americans or the EU.
    James 1st (6th of Scotland) worked out ok...
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    BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    edited March 2021
    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    FPT

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Roger said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:


    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Brom said:

    There is no Sturgeon exit date market is there? I can only see one for Boris and Starmer. Her position is looking increasingly perilous.

    Even if she somehow survives, she is finished as a politician in the medium term. No one can sustain this much damage to their political reputation, and prosper. Not even in Zimbabwe, sorry, Scotland
    The closest world event to this is Putin locking up Navalny. It's off the scale in terms of fucked up IMO.
    It beggars belief. It is Boris conspiring to jail Starmer, with Carrie and the Met Police and the CPS and the Attorney General all in on the plan, and apparently happy to go along, even when the hired QCs say No, Stop, this is totally illegal.

    Scotland is better than this. Or it should be
    Well, when you put it like that... Mmm. As someone pretty into politics generally but only slightly into Scottish affairs, I'm not convinced this will force a resignation - X who I've never heard of may have discussed Y with Z on date A and maybe Sturgeon has conveniently "forgotten". It sounds messy and technical, and the Tories rushing out a VONC makes me think it's some kind of party squabble. I can see from other posts here that it's actually very serious, but I think the lay voter, who thinks that all politicians lie from time to time, will just shake his head bemusedly.
    Just seen the new Labour leader on Ch 4 News. A very reasonable and impressive woman. A nice change from the last few who were above all else opportunists. My guess is Nicola will walk through this her reputation intact. The desperation of the Tories (more English ones than Scottish) tells you how much they fear her
    You know, Rog, when you get the leader of a party completely wrong, including his gender, it is probably time to shut up shop with the politics, and restrict your comments to movie soundtracks
    Before you make a complete arse of yourself, Roger was talking about the Deputy leader of the Labour MSPs on Ch4 news.

    Still I remember an idiot on here tried to say that the father of Kamala Harris wasn't a black dude.
    Nah, he thought Baillie was the leader. Perhaps, however, it an understandable mistake for an elderly retiree, as she SHOULD have been leader. She is much more impressive than Sarwar

    God, I know too much about Scottish politics. I long for the day when I can ignore it again. Once this FANTASTICALLY juicy scandal has played out
    Sorry TSE is correct. I was talking about Mm Baillie. I'm at least a week out of date. How embarrassing. But MSP Baillie WAS impressive. Maybe they chose unwisely?
    It wasn't unwisely...she is the wrong gender for labour simple as that
    Scottish Labour have had a female leader.
    scottish labour is a branch office
    But the post you replied to was about them.
    Yes and my post was about labour....lets look at the evidence

    Which is the only party that has implemented all women short lists because they felt their members weren't selecting enough female candidates?

    Which is the only major political party never to have had a woman leader?

    Circumstantial evidence I admit but it does point strongly to a conclusion that its a party whose members are somewhat mysogonistic
    Mysogony is everywhere.
    It actually is, in a sense - the word would mean 'the production of uncleanness'.

    Now we just need a word for the use of an incorrect spelling that accidentally creates a new valid word...
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,187
    Leon said:

    fpt for anyone on Salmondgate

    Sure. At sea. But not in British politics. It is outrageous: what she tried to do to Salmond

    Yes yes yes, I'm a Yoon and a Brexiteer and I hate haggis

    One of the (few) relevant questions being asked by bewildered Nats on Twitter is: why did she do it? Why even go near this? She was the anointed successor. A cool, clever politician, with a great future. Did she really fear Salmond's return to Edinburgh that much?

    I don't buy it. I do believe she was involved in this conspiracy, but I am not yet clear on the motive. Bewildering

    Without credible motive a case struggles to convince. Tomorrow will be key.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,916

    isam said:

    How can people hide behind ‘vaccine bounce’ excuse for the Tories recent poll leads whilst simultaneously thinking Labour closed the gap last year due to anything other than the Covid crisis?

    Who thinks that? Name names who are hiding behind the vaccine bounce.

    Covid 19 has caused all sorts of polling oddities.

    The Tories were polling in the mid 50s with leads of nearly 30% around the time Starmer became leader, to seeing Labour leads to Tory leads of 8%.

    I've done several threads saying I don't know how Covid-19 will play out long term in the polling, I'm not sure when or what the new equilibrium is.
    You said it on the last thread for one!
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,105
    kinabalu said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I'm still waiting to be invited

    Nothing here either. Sense the Authorities saw my posts a few weeks ago arguing we should share supplies instead of hogging them all and they've decided to teach me a lesson.
    I've told you - they are working through the local Tory party membership first.

    If you want a jab.....
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    solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,623
    Random question but is the vaccination for 60-64's well underway in Scotland? I'm wondering when my mum will get a date for her jab but can't find any clear info if that group is now well underway or not - unless I'm just not looking in the right place.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    dixiedean said:

    This 54 year old has heard nowt. Unlike Cameron and Jeremy Hunt.

    Really, Cameron and Hunt have been vaccinated? On what basis?

    PS Next week for the 50-60 age group, I reckon.
    Post code lottery, some places are burning through their priority groups.

    I asked my father and he's zapping through the 50s and 60s

    Youngest person he's vaccinated is 29.
    When speaking about young people we should bear in mind the priority groups.

    A 29 year old in group 4 or 6 comes before a healthy 59 year old. Any 50-somethings I'd wonder if they're being vaccinated because they're 50-something, or vaccinated for other reasons like diabetes, heart, cancer etc
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    Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 8,844

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    FPT

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Roger said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:


    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Brom said:

    There is no Sturgeon exit date market is there? I can only see one for Boris and Starmer. Her position is looking increasingly perilous.

    Even if she somehow survives, she is finished as a politician in the medium term. No one can sustain this much damage to their political reputation, and prosper. Not even in Zimbabwe, sorry, Scotland
    The closest world event to this is Putin locking up Navalny. It's off the scale in terms of fucked up IMO.
    It beggars belief. It is Boris conspiring to jail Starmer, with Carrie and the Met Police and the CPS and the Attorney General all in on the plan, and apparently happy to go along, even when the hired QCs say No, Stop, this is totally illegal.

    Scotland is better than this. Or it should be
    Well, when you put it like that... Mmm. As someone pretty into politics generally but only slightly into Scottish affairs, I'm not convinced this will force a resignation - X who I've never heard of may have discussed Y with Z on date A and maybe Sturgeon has conveniently "forgotten". It sounds messy and technical, and the Tories rushing out a VONC makes me think it's some kind of party squabble. I can see from other posts here that it's actually very serious, but I think the lay voter, who thinks that all politicians lie from time to time, will just shake his head bemusedly.
    Just seen the new Labour leader on Ch 4 News. A very reasonable and impressive woman. A nice change from the last few who were above all else opportunists. My guess is Nicola will walk through this her reputation intact. The desperation of the Tories (more English ones than Scottish) tells you how much they fear her
    You know, Rog, when you get the leader of a party completely wrong, including his gender, it is probably time to shut up shop with the politics, and restrict your comments to movie soundtracks
    Before you make a complete arse of yourself, Roger was talking about the Deputy leader of the Labour MSPs on Ch4 news.

    Still I remember an idiot on here tried to say that the father of Kamala Harris wasn't a black dude.
    Nah, he thought Baillie was the leader. Perhaps, however, it an understandable mistake for an elderly retiree, as she SHOULD have been leader. She is much more impressive than Sarwar

    God, I know too much about Scottish politics. I long for the day when I can ignore it again. Once this FANTASTICALLY juicy scandal has played out
    Sorry TSE is correct. I was talking about Mm Baillie. I'm at least a week out of date. How embarrassing. But MSP Baillie WAS impressive. Maybe they chose unwisely?
    It wasn't unwisely...she is the wrong gender for labour simple as that
    Scottish Labour have had a female leader.
    scottish labour is a branch office
    But the post you replied to was about them.
    Yes and my post was about labour....lets look at the evidence

    Which is the only party that has implemented all women short lists because they felt their members weren't selecting enough female candidates?

    Which is the only major political party never to have had a woman leader?

    Circumstantial evidence I admit but it does point strongly to a conclusion that its a party whose members are somewhat mysogonistic
    Mysogony is everywhere.
    It actually is, in a sense - the word would mean 'the production of uncleanness'.

    Now we just need a word for the use of an incorrect spelling that accidentally creates a new valid word...
    There is a term its called "speaking typonese"
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    isam said:

    isam said:

    How can people hide behind ‘vaccine bounce’ excuse for the Tories recent poll leads whilst simultaneously thinking Labour closed the gap last year due to anything other than the Covid crisis?

    Who thinks that? Name names who are hiding behind the vaccine bounce.

    Covid 19 has caused all sorts of polling oddities.

    The Tories were polling in the mid 50s with leads of nearly 30% around the time Starmer became leader, to seeing Labour leads to Tory leads of 8%.

    I've done several threads saying I don't know how Covid-19 will play out long term in the polling, I'm not sure when or what the new equilibrium is.
    You said it on the last thread for one!
    No, I said recent polling moves were due to the vaccine, it is clear there's a correlation between the increase in the Tory vote share and the vaccine rollout.

    I'm sorry you don't understand nuance.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,077

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    One of the (few) relevant questions being asked by bewildered Nats on Twitter is: why did she do it? Why even go near this? She was the anointed successor. A cool, clever politician, with a great future. Did she really fear Salmond's return to Edinburgh that much?

    Seems she did fear him enough, it's the only plausible explanation. It's been clear for a while now that Nicola Sturgeon's one and only priority is to remain FM. Any threat to her position must be taken care of.

    There may be a degree of envy in the fear. Sturgeon is by any measure a successful and capable politician, but she must know deep down she's no match for Alex Salmond, who even his enemies will admit is a political talent of exceptional quality.
    I've always thought Alex Salmond would have made a brilliant prime minister of the UK. He is, definitely, that good. Better than any UK politician since Blair, and probably better than that. So, Thatcher is his only equal post war.

    This is one reason I oppose Devolution. Selfishly, as an English Brit, I want us to be able to promote skilful Scottish politicians. Scots are good at politics. It is a talent pool.
    I remember a conversation with some of our Nat posters after the SNP had done particularly well in an election (forget which), where one was talking up the possibility of a Scotnat reverse takeover of England, a bit like William of Orange and the glorious revolution. I think the intention was to send all of us 'Little Englanders' into a fit of 'anti-Scotch' apoplexy, but I for one was all for it. Why would I object to a takeover by the Scots, if they've actually got good plans for the country? Beats a takeover by the Americans or the EU.
    As an Englishman, I would have happily accepted Prime Minister Salmond. He's obviously exceptionally good at what he does, and is not an over-promoted, effete upper-middle-class English twit like Cameron. I suspect UKPM Salmond would have got a decent EU renegotiation, hence no Brexit.

    We all live together on these islands, as a democracy. Bring on the wily Scots.

    That said, I am less keen on Sturgeon, TBH, at the moment.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,187

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    FPT

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Roger said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:


    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Brom said:

    There is no Sturgeon exit date market is there? I can only see one for Boris and Starmer. Her position is looking increasingly perilous.

    Even if she somehow survives, she is finished as a politician in the medium term. No one can sustain this much damage to their political reputation, and prosper. Not even in Zimbabwe, sorry, Scotland
    The closest world event to this is Putin locking up Navalny. It's off the scale in terms of fucked up IMO.
    It beggars belief. It is Boris conspiring to jail Starmer, with Carrie and the Met Police and the CPS and the Attorney General all in on the plan, and apparently happy to go along, even when the hired QCs say No, Stop, this is totally illegal.

    Scotland is better than this. Or it should be
    Well, when you put it like that... Mmm. As someone pretty into politics generally but only slightly into Scottish affairs, I'm not convinced this will force a resignation - X who I've never heard of may have discussed Y with Z on date A and maybe Sturgeon has conveniently "forgotten". It sounds messy and technical, and the Tories rushing out a VONC makes me think it's some kind of party squabble. I can see from other posts here that it's actually very serious, but I think the lay voter, who thinks that all politicians lie from time to time, will just shake his head bemusedly.
    Just seen the new Labour leader on Ch 4 News. A very reasonable and impressive woman. A nice change from the last few who were above all else opportunists. My guess is Nicola will walk through this her reputation intact. The desperation of the Tories (more English ones than Scottish) tells you how much they fear her
    You know, Rog, when you get the leader of a party completely wrong, including his gender, it is probably time to shut up shop with the politics, and restrict your comments to movie soundtracks
    Before you make a complete arse of yourself, Roger was talking about the Deputy leader of the Labour MSPs on Ch4 news.

    Still I remember an idiot on here tried to say that the father of Kamala Harris wasn't a black dude.
    Nah, he thought Baillie was the leader. Perhaps, however, it an understandable mistake for an elderly retiree, as she SHOULD have been leader. She is much more impressive than Sarwar

    God, I know too much about Scottish politics. I long for the day when I can ignore it again. Once this FANTASTICALLY juicy scandal has played out
    Sorry TSE is correct. I was talking about Mm Baillie. I'm at least a week out of date. How embarrassing. But MSP Baillie WAS impressive. Maybe they chose unwisely?
    It wasn't unwisely...she is the wrong gender for labour simple as that
    Scottish Labour have had a female leader.
    scottish labour is a branch office
    But the post you replied to was about them.
    Yes and my post was about labour....lets look at the evidence

    Which is the only party that has implemented all women short lists because they felt their members weren't selecting enough female candidates?

    Which is the only major political party never to have had a woman leader?

    Circumstantial evidence I admit but it does point strongly to a conclusion that its a party whose members are somewhat mysogonistic
    Mysogony is everywhere.
    It actually is, in a sense - the word would mean 'the production of uncleanness'.

    Now we just need a word for the use of an incorrect spelling that accidentally creates a new valid word...
    Thought it looked wrong. My spelling is dreadful without a checker.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,423

    Good news. I hear they're already cutting into the 40s in London.

    Can't be too much longer until that spreads elsewhere, which means the 30s perhaps by late April?

    Good news if true but note of caution: Once we get into April there are 2.5m 2nd doses required each week.
    Presumably given London's age profile they're working down the age brackets a fair bit more quickly?
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    isamisam Posts: 40,916
    edited March 2021

    isam said:

    isam said:

    How can people hide behind ‘vaccine bounce’ excuse for the Tories recent poll leads whilst simultaneously thinking Labour closed the gap last year due to anything other than the Covid crisis?

    Who thinks that? Name names who are hiding behind the vaccine bounce.

    Covid 19 has caused all sorts of polling oddities.

    The Tories were polling in the mid 50s with leads of nearly 30% around the time Starmer became leader, to seeing Labour leads to Tory leads of 8%.

    I've done several threads saying I don't know how Covid-19 will play out long term in the polling, I'm not sure when or what the new equilibrium is.
    You said it on the last thread for one!
    No, I said recent polling moves were due to the vaccine, it is clear there's a correlation between the increase in the Tory vote share and the vaccine rollout.

    I'm sorry you don't understand nuance.
    It looked like you said ‘vaccine bounce’, my apologies


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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725
    Andy_JS said:
    I confess I've never seen the appeal of horse racing unless there's money riding on the outcome. At least with F1 you can enjoy any (non-fatal/injuring) pile up as a spectacle.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    One of the (few) relevant questions being asked by bewildered Nats on Twitter is: why did she do it? Why even go near this? She was the anointed successor. A cool, clever politician, with a great future. Did she really fear Salmond's return to Edinburgh that much?

    Seems she did fear him enough, it's the only plausible explanation. It's been clear for a while now that Nicola Sturgeon's one and only priority is to remain FM. Any threat to her position must be taken care of.

    There may be a degree of envy in the fear. Sturgeon is by any measure a successful and capable politician, but she must know deep down she's no match for Alex Salmond, who even his enemies will admit is a political talent of exceptional quality.
    I've always thought Alex Salmond would have made a brilliant prime minister of the UK. He is, definitely, that good. Better than any UK politician since Blair, and probably better than that. So, Thatcher is his only equal post war.

    This is one reason I oppose Devolution. Selfishly, as an English Brit, I want us to be able to promote skilful Scottish politicians. Scots are good at politics. It is a talent pool.
    I remember a conversation with some of our Nat posters after the SNP had done particularly well in an election (forget which), where one was talking up the possibility of a Scotnat reverse takeover of England, a bit like William of Orange and the glorious revolution. I think the intention was to send all of us 'Little Englanders' into a fit of 'anti-Scotch' apoplexy, but I for one was all for it. Why would I object to a takeover by the Scots, if they've actually got good plans for the country? Beats a takeover by the Americans or the EU.
    James 1st (6th of Scotland) worked out ok...
    He was certainly strong on dealing with witches:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemonologie
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,187

    kinabalu said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I'm still waiting to be invited

    Nothing here either. Sense the Authorities saw my posts a few weeks ago arguing we should share supplies instead of hogging them all and they've decided to teach me a lesson.
    I've told you - they are working through the local Tory party membership first.

    If you want a jab.....
    No I'll wait. And if nobody calls, well I'm not going to chase. I have my pride.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725
    Not sure the best response to Harry and Megan 'stepping back' from Royal duties and sniping at the institution, whilst still wanting the attention of being royals, is to cattily leak negative press back at them.

    And the butler will probably be annoyed someone has messed up his knives.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,077

    Leon said:

    One of the (few) relevant questions being asked by bewildered Nats on Twitter is: why did she do it? Why even go near this? She was the anointed successor. A cool, clever politician, with a great future. Did she really fear Salmond's return to Edinburgh that much?

    Seems she did fear him enough, it's the only plausible explanation. It's been clear for a while now that Nicola Sturgeon's one and only priority is to remain FM. Any threat to her position must be taken care of.

    There may be a degree of envy in the fear. Sturgeon is by any measure a successful and capable politician, but she must know deep down she's no match for Alex Salmond, who even his enemies will admit is a political talent of exceptional quality.
    I think it is much more likely that Sturgeon believed that what she was doing was "right".

    That is, Sturgeon believed that Salmond was guilty of inappropriate behaviour tantamount to sexual harassment and that he should be called to account & convicted.

    It just seems that what evidence there is does not support such a strong conclusion.

    Leslie Evans is a strong feminist, as is Nicola Sturgeon. My guess is that Evans & Sturgeon convinced themselves that the evidence was there if they went looking for it.

    It is a fine line between looking for evidence and entrapment, especially in cases like these where the evidence can be ambiguous & hard to get.
    But all the latest evidence points towards conspiracy. And a cover-up. Which refutes your explanation

    I still don't quite know why, however

    I suspect Sturgeon, or she and her allies, saw a potentially genuine case against her rival Salmond, and righteously pursued - but also tried to exploit it for maximum political gain. But they then got badly caught out when the case failed, necessitating a deeper and deeper spiral into cover-up. As we see.

    A cover-up which will damage them permanently, or finish them all
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,187
    kle4 said:

    kinabalu said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I'm still waiting to be invited

    Nothing here either. Sense the Authorities saw my posts a few weeks ago arguing we should share supplies instead of hogging them all and they've decided to teach me a lesson.
    Well just post some tweets about how much you love Boris, that should up your social capital a little bit.
    ☺ - Rather get Covid.

    Seriously.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,176
    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:
    I confess I've never seen the appeal of horse racing unless there's money riding on the outcome. At least with F1 you can enjoy any (non-fatal/injuring) pile up as a spectacle.
    Whatever the rights and wrongs I don’t think horses get the shit beaten out of them when racing. Tad of an exaggeration.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    edited March 2021
    On topic: "ethnic minority" is, of course, a catch-all term for a lot of different cultures and communities.

    I suspect that hesitancy and rejection are disproportionately concentrated amongst Britons of African/Caribbean descent. This was suggested by the Leicester hospital staff survey (www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n460). It would also help to explain the vaccination pattern in the CCG data that @Malmesbury has been helpfully posting: London and Birmingham falling behind amongst the older age cohorts, the Northern conurbations doing much better. ONS data from the last census indicate that London and the West Midlands are the two regions of England where Black people constitute a greater percentage of the population than the national average (www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/regional-ethnic-diversity/latest#ethnic-groups-by-area).

    This may be because the folk memory of previous abuses and distrust of Government are both stronger in Black communities than those of South Asian descent, but I'm hardly an authority on such things.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725

    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:
    I confess I've never seen the appeal of horse racing unless there's money riding on the outcome. At least with F1 you can enjoy any (non-fatal/injuring) pile up as a spectacle.
    Whatever the rights and wrongs I don’t think horses get the shit beaten out of them when racing. Tad of an exaggeration.
    I seem to recall they are limited in how much they can strike the horse.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725
    edited March 2021
    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    kinabalu said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I'm still waiting to be invited

    Nothing here either. Sense the Authorities saw my posts a few weeks ago arguing we should share supplies instead of hogging them all and they've decided to teach me a lesson.
    Well just post some tweets about how much you love Boris, that should up your social capital a little bit.
    ☺ - Rather get Covid.

    Seriously.
    No no, it's easy, you just say you love Boris, and the Tory gov thinks you mean Johnson, while you know you are just talking about how much you enjoy the movies of Boris Karloff. Once you are jabbed you can reveal the misunderstanding. Use the familiar use of his name to your advantage.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,077
    My god. BBC TV is shite
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,176
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:
    I confess I've never seen the appeal of horse racing unless there's money riding on the outcome. At least with F1 you can enjoy any (non-fatal/injuring) pile up as a spectacle.
    Whatever the rights and wrongs I don’t think horses get the shit beaten out of them when racing. Tad of an exaggeration.
    I seem to recall they are limited in how much they can strike the horse.
    Plus pretty thick skin on horses. Note I’m not really in favour of racing, but the point could be made without hyperbole. But maybe I don’t get the way social media works...
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,046
    Why are Tories being prioritised for vaccines? Simple. Everyone knows that Tories are, on average, older in terms of biological age. Some of them are positively Victorian.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Leon said:

    My god. BBC TV is shite

    But BBC Three is coming back ;-)
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1366724750391787521

    Somebody here will explain how this is a good thing. Sunak's decisions have all been dreadful except for Furlough, I really mean that.

    It depends upon your point of view.

    From the point of view of older people having their mouths stuffed with gold yet again (and imagine if you've just retired how much more value you can now squeeze from your home through downsizing or equity release,) it has been yet another rip-roaring success.

    Party time for Sunak's client voters. Job done.
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