What does closing the travel corridors mean in practice, unless the flights are quarantined for 14 days on arrival this seems like a "let's make it looks like we're doing something" policy.
Advice about what to write on anniversary card to my wife. I`m crap at this.
Google suggestions include:
• You're the perfect one for me. • I love our life together. • You're an amazing wife. • I'm so lucky to have you in my life. • I love being married to you. • You're more beautiful now than ever.
I can`t bring myself to write any of that sappy stuff. And “so far so good” doesn`t seem adequate.
Advice about what to write on anniversary card to my wife. I`m crap at this.
Google suggestions include:
• You're the perfect one for me. • I love our life together. • You're an amazing wife. • I'm so lucky to have you in my life. • I love being married to you. • You're more beautiful now than ever.
I can`t bring myself to write any of that sappy stuff. And “so far so good” doesn`t seem adequate.
There must be a third way?
I looked at the universe and asked why was I here, then I met you and found my answer
What does closing the travel corridors mean in practice, unless the flights are quarantined for 14 days on arrival this seems like a "let's make it looks like we're doing something" policy.
Anybody would think all those 10,000s of hotel rooms near airports are rammed full or something.
More than 400,000 fingerprint, DNA, arrest and offence records may have been wiped from police databases following a technology blunder, The Times has learnt.
A letter to chief constables today revealed that the software error which deleted crucial evidence from the Police National Computer [PNC] could be far worse than first thought.
The arrest records were accidentally deleted during a weekly “weeding” session to expunge data from the PNC, which is owned and operated by the Home Office. DNA and fingerprint records were also removed because the databases holding them were connected to the PNC.
Naveed Malik, the NPCC’s lead for PNC, revealed to chiefs and police and crime commissioners today that 213,000 offence records, 175,000 arrest records and 15,000 person records have potentially been deleted in error from the system.
There could be overlap of information between these records as an individual’s arrest record could relate to multiple offences.
Mr Malik went on to reveal that around 26,000 DNA records relating to 21,710 people had potentially been deleted in error, alongside a further 30,000 fingerprint records and 600 subject records.
The government has said there is no risk to public safety since The Times revealed the breach today.
However Mr Malik’s letter said the deleted DNA records included some that had “previously been marked for indefinite retention following conviction of serious offences”.
There have already been crimefighting implications since last week’s blunder, amid fears that offenders could go free because biometric evidence left at crime scenes will not be flagged up on the PNC.
Mr Malik said that police were already aware of at least one instance where the DNA profile from a suspect in custody did not generate a match to a crime scene as expected, “potentially impeding the investigation of the individual’s involvement in the crime”.
Do they have no backup of this information at all?
Quite. It's surely inconceivable that anyone would do a data weeding operation without first taking a backup, and indeed that that there wouldn't be multiple backups at multiple points in time. At least, it should be inconceivable.
Richard/Francis.
My suspicion is that this was a rush job related to the purging of 40,000 EU related data records that the police had no right to following the Brexit deal.
Given they had to do this in just under a week, I suspect they messed it up, not only did they have to delete it, they had to delete all back ups.
What does this "all travel corridors will close from Monday 4am" mean?
? What it says.
So every flight into the UK from anywhere in the world including all europe is a surprise but sensible NZ style policy
All of Europe was already off the corridor list I think (maybe not Norway and Finland).
Is it correct to say we have closed our borders like NZ did at the beginning of the crisis
Not quite - as people can enter the country with a negative PCR test (or equivalent) and must also self-isolate 10 days (5 days with a further negative test).
What does this "all travel corridors will close from Monday 4am" mean?
? What it says.
So every flight into the UK from anywhere in the world including all europe is a surprise but sensible NZ style policy
Boris closes the stable door 10 months after the horses have left. If he had done it when NZ did it we might now be looking at a few hundred deaths instead of 100,000.
More than 400,000 fingerprint, DNA, arrest and offence records may have been wiped from police databases following a technology blunder, The Times has learnt.
A letter to chief constables today revealed that the software error which deleted crucial evidence from the Police National Computer [PNC] could be far worse than first thought.
The arrest records were accidentally deleted during a weekly “weeding” session to expunge data from the PNC, which is owned and operated by the Home Office. DNA and fingerprint records were also removed because the databases holding them were connected to the PNC.
Naveed Malik, the NPCC’s lead for PNC, revealed to chiefs and police and crime commissioners today that 213,000 offence records, 175,000 arrest records and 15,000 person records have potentially been deleted in error from the system.
There could be overlap of information between these records as an individual’s arrest record could relate to multiple offences.
Mr Malik went on to reveal that around 26,000 DNA records relating to 21,710 people had potentially been deleted in error, alongside a further 30,000 fingerprint records and 600 subject records.
The government has said there is no risk to public safety since The Times revealed the breach today.
However Mr Malik’s letter said the deleted DNA records included some that had “previously been marked for indefinite retention following conviction of serious offences”.
There have already been crimefighting implications since last week’s blunder, amid fears that offenders could go free because biometric evidence left at crime scenes will not be flagged up on the PNC.
Mr Malik said that police were already aware of at least one instance where the DNA profile from a suspect in custody did not generate a match to a crime scene as expected, “potentially impeding the investigation of the individual’s involvement in the crime”.
Do they have no backup of this information at all?
Quite. It's surely inconceivable that anyone would do a data weeding operation without first taking a backup, and indeed that that there wouldn't be multiple backups at multiple points in time. At least, it should be inconceivable.
If I have it right, this database is run by the Home Office not the police, and is called NDNAD. Though individual records are owned by Police Forces.
Advice about what to write on anniversary card to my wife. I`m crap at this.
Google suggestions include:
• You're the perfect one for me. • I love our life together. • You're an amazing wife. • I'm so lucky to have you in my life. • I love being married to you. • You're more beautiful now than ever.
I can`t bring myself to write any of that sappy stuff. And “so far so good” doesn`t seem adequate.
There must be a third way?
I looked at the universe and asked why was I here, then I met you and found my answer
Advice about what to write on anniversary card to my wife. I`m crap at this.
Google suggestions include:
• You're the perfect one for me. • I love our life together. • You're an amazing wife. • I'm so lucky to have you in my life. • I love being married to you. • You're more beautiful now than ever.
I can`t bring myself to write any of that sappy stuff. And “so far so good” doesn`t seem adequate.
There must be a third way?
I looked at the universe and asked why was I here, then I met you and found my answer
Jeez - I feel sick. That`s worse.
chuckles but you are a man women seem to like that sort of thing
Advice about what to write on anniversary card to my wife. I`m crap at this.
Google suggestions include:
• You're the perfect one for me. • I love our life together. • You're an amazing wife. • I'm so lucky to have you in my life. • I love being married to you. • You're more beautiful now than ever.
I can`t bring myself to write any of that sappy stuff. And “so far so good” doesn`t seem adequate.
There must be a third way?
I looked at the universe and asked why was I here, then I met you and found my answer
Advice about what to write on anniversary card to my wife. I`m crap at this.
Google suggestions include:
• You're the perfect one for me. • I love our life together. • You're an amazing wife. • I'm so lucky to have you in my life. • I love being married to you. • You're more beautiful now than ever.
I can`t bring myself to write any of that sappy stuff. And “so far so good” doesn`t seem adequate.
There must be a third way?
I looked at the universe and asked why was I here, then I met you and found my answer
Jeez - I feel sick. That`s worse.
chuckles but you are a man women seem to like that sort of thing
What does this "all travel corridors will close from Monday 4am" mean?
? What it says.
So every flight into the UK from anywhere in the world including all europe is a surprise but sensible NZ style policy
Boris closes the stable door 10 months after the horses have left. If he had done it when NZ did it we might now be looking at a few hundred deaths instead of 100,000.
Seems unlikely. Cases were already well on the way up at that point.
More than 400,000 fingerprint, DNA, arrest and offence records may have been wiped from police databases following a technology blunder, The Times has learnt.
A letter to chief constables today revealed that the software error which deleted crucial evidence from the Police National Computer [PNC] could be far worse than first thought.
The arrest records were accidentally deleted during a weekly “weeding” session to expunge data from the PNC, which is owned and operated by the Home Office. DNA and fingerprint records were also removed because the databases holding them were connected to the PNC.
Naveed Malik, the NPCC’s lead for PNC, revealed to chiefs and police and crime commissioners today that 213,000 offence records, 175,000 arrest records and 15,000 person records have potentially been deleted in error from the system.
There could be overlap of information between these records as an individual’s arrest record could relate to multiple offences.
Mr Malik went on to reveal that around 26,000 DNA records relating to 21,710 people had potentially been deleted in error, alongside a further 30,000 fingerprint records and 600 subject records.
The government has said there is no risk to public safety since The Times revealed the breach today.
However Mr Malik’s letter said the deleted DNA records included some that had “previously been marked for indefinite retention following conviction of serious offences”.
There have already been crimefighting implications since last week’s blunder, amid fears that offenders could go free because biometric evidence left at crime scenes will not be flagged up on the PNC.
Mr Malik said that police were already aware of at least one instance where the DNA profile from a suspect in custody did not generate a match to a crime scene as expected, “potentially impeding the investigation of the individual’s involvement in the crime”.
Do they have no backup of this information at all?
Quite. It's surely inconceivable that anyone would do a data weeding operation without first taking a backup, and indeed that that there wouldn't be multiple backups at multiple points in time. At least, it should be inconceivable.
Richard/Francis.
My suspicion is that this was a rush job related to the purging of 40,000 EU related data records that the police had no right to following the Brexit deal.
Given they had to do this in just under a week, I suspect they messed it up, not only did they have to delete it, they had to delete all back ups.
Great argument except that the need (or at least the likely need) to purge 40,000 EU related records has been known about for over 2 years.
I.e. this is a screw up that shouldn't have occurred.
Why is Boris banging on (at least twice now) about virus spread by touching surfaces and objects? I thought packaging and fomites had been found innocent early on. Has there been new research?
Advice about what to write on anniversary card to my wife. I`m crap at this.
Google suggestions include:
• You're the perfect one for me. • I love our life together. • You're an amazing wife. • I'm so lucky to have you in my life. • I love being married to you. • You're more beautiful now than ever.
I can`t bring myself to write any of that sappy stuff. And “so far so good” doesn`t seem adequate.
There must be a third way?
I looked at the universe and asked why was I here, then I met you and found my answer
Jeez - I feel sick. That`s worse.
chuckles but you are a man women seem to like that sort of thing
Advice about what to write on anniversary card to my wife. I`m crap at this.
Google suggestions include:
• You're the perfect one for me. • I love our life together. • You're an amazing wife. • I'm so lucky to have you in my life. • I love being married to you. • You're more beautiful now than ever.
I can`t bring myself to write any of that sappy stuff. And “so far so good” doesn`t seem adequate.
What does this "all travel corridors will close from Monday 4am" mean?
? What it says.
So every flight into the UK from anywhere in the world including all europe is a surprise but sensible NZ style policy
Boris closes the stable door 10 months after the horses have left. If he had done it when NZ did it we might now be looking at a few hundred deaths instead of 100,000.
It's not even really closed because we allow self certified quarantine. We essentially assume people will be honest.
Advice about what to write on anniversary card to my wife. I`m crap at this.
Google suggestions include:
• You're the perfect one for me. • I love our life together. • You're an amazing wife. • I'm so lucky to have you in my life. • I love being married to you. • You're more beautiful now than ever.
I can`t bring myself to write any of that sappy stuff. And “so far so good” doesn`t seem adequate.
Advice about what to write on anniversary card to my wife. I`m crap at this.
Google suggestions include:
• You're the perfect one for me. • I love our life together. • You're an amazing wife. • I'm so lucky to have you in my life. • I love being married to you. • You're more beautiful now than ever.
I can`t bring myself to write any of that sappy stuff. And “so far so good” doesn`t seem adequate.
There must be a third way?
I looked at the universe and asked why was I here, then I met you and found my answer
Jeez - I feel sick. That`s worse.
Loving you is like pissing my pants, everyone can see it but only I can feel the warmth.
Or 'I want to be your favourite hello and your hardest goodbye.'
But I've got some awesome Valentine's Day messages, but it isn't the lagershed yet.
You are talking to the guy who promised his then girlfriend for Valentine's Day something no other woman had ever received in the history of Valentine's Day, so on Valentine's Day I gave her a bottle of toilet duck.
Advice about what to write on anniversary card to my wife. I`m crap at this.
Google suggestions include:
• You're the perfect one for me. • I love our life together. • You're an amazing wife. • I'm so lucky to have you in my life. • I love being married to you. • You're more beautiful now than ever.
I can`t bring myself to write any of that sappy stuff. And “so far so good” doesn`t seem adequate.
There must be a third way?
I looked at the universe and asked why was I here, then I met you and found my answer
Jeez - I feel sick. That`s worse.
chuckles but you are a man women seem to like that sort of thing
Do they? Any women PBers to advise??
If I may interject here. Don't use the 'asked the universe' thing, it made me queasy. Also maybe avoid 'with all best wishes etc'.
Women just like things that are genuine, so make sure it sounds like something you would actually say!
Not judging you at all, this is the sort of thing that I might well have googled as well.
What does this "all travel corridors will close from Monday 4am" mean?
? What it says.
So every flight into the UK from anywhere in the world including all europe is a surprise but sensible NZ style policy
Boris closes the stable door 10 months after the horses have left. If he had done it when NZ did it we might now be looking at a few hundred deaths instead of 100,000.
Seems unlikely. Cases were already well on the way up at that point.
The second wave can definitely be attributed to a rubbish travel and quarantine process.
Advice about what to write on anniversary card to my wife. I`m crap at this.
Google suggestions include:
• You're the perfect one for me. • I love our life together. • You're an amazing wife. • I'm so lucky to have you in my life. • I love being married to you. • You're more beautiful now than ever.
I can`t bring myself to write any of that sappy stuff. And “so far so good” doesn`t seem adequate.
If our marriage was a child, it would now be able to vote, get a tattoo and open a bank account in its own name. Loved every single year of it with you. Here's to the next 18.
Because of transport costs and the congestion charge, obviously. Nothing to do with house prices and rental costs. Or all the Europeans and other migrants working in hospitality returning home because the hotels and the Prets are shedding labour.
I never said the two were connected. Just saying London has lost a lot of people and now extra costs incoming for those that still live / work there.
Well, with all that demand gone, rents should fall, which would be good news.
What does this "all travel corridors will close from Monday 4am" mean?
? What it says.
So every flight into the UK from anywhere in the world including all europe is a surprise but sensible NZ style policy
Boris closes the stable door 10 months after the horses have left. If he had done it when NZ did it we might now be looking at a few hundred deaths instead of 100,000.
Seems unlikely. Cases were already well on the way up at that point.
The second wave can definitely be attributed to a rubbish travel and quarantine process.
What does closing the travel corridors mean in practice, unless the flights are quarantined for 14 days on arrival this seems like a "let's make it looks like we're doing something" policy.
Apparently the airlines have to see the test certificate and a completed locator form before they board
More than 400,000 fingerprint, DNA, arrest and offence records may have been wiped from police databases following a technology blunder, The Times has learnt.
A letter to chief constables today revealed that the software error which deleted crucial evidence from the Police National Computer [PNC] could be far worse than first thought.
The arrest records were accidentally deleted during a weekly “weeding” session to expunge data from the PNC, which is owned and operated by the Home Office. DNA and fingerprint records were also removed because the databases holding them were connected to the PNC.
Naveed Malik, the NPCC’s lead for PNC, revealed to chiefs and police and crime commissioners today that 213,000 offence records, 175,000 arrest records and 15,000 person records have potentially been deleted in error from the system.
There could be overlap of information between these records as an individual’s arrest record could relate to multiple offences.
Mr Malik went on to reveal that around 26,000 DNA records relating to 21,710 people had potentially been deleted in error, alongside a further 30,000 fingerprint records and 600 subject records.
The government has said there is no risk to public safety since The Times revealed the breach today.
However Mr Malik’s letter said the deleted DNA records included some that had “previously been marked for indefinite retention following conviction of serious offences”.
There have already been crimefighting implications since last week’s blunder, amid fears that offenders could go free because biometric evidence left at crime scenes will not be flagged up on the PNC.
Mr Malik said that police were already aware of at least one instance where the DNA profile from a suspect in custody did not generate a match to a crime scene as expected, “potentially impeding the investigation of the individual’s involvement in the crime”.
Do they have no backup of this information at all?
Quite. It's surely inconceivable that anyone would do a data weeding operation without first taking a backup, and indeed that that there wouldn't be multiple backups at multiple points in time. At least, it should be inconceivable.
Richard/Francis.
My suspicion is that this was a rush job related to the purging of 40,000 EU related data records that the police had no right to following the Brexit deal.
Given they had to do this in just under a week, I suspect they messed it up, not only did they have to delete it, they had to delete all back ups.
Great argument except that the need (or at least the likely need) to purge 40,000 EU related records has been known about for over 2 years.
I.e. this is a screw up that shouldn't have occurred.
The weekend before the deal the papers had stories saying we'd have mini deals in the event of No Deal to cover stuff like this.
What does closing the travel corridors mean in practice, unless the flights are quarantined for 14 days on arrival this seems like a "let's make it looks like we're doing something" policy.
Apparently the airlines have to see the test certificate and a completed locator form before they board
It's a 97% specific and 80% sensitive test which is essentially worthless and there's a 72h window for people to catch it as well. The policy is completely useless.
More than 400,000 fingerprint, DNA, arrest and offence records may have been wiped from police databases following a technology blunder, The Times has learnt.
A letter to chief constables today revealed that the software error which deleted crucial evidence from the Police National Computer [PNC] could be far worse than first thought.
The arrest records were accidentally deleted during a weekly “weeding” session to expunge data from the PNC, which is owned and operated by the Home Office. DNA and fingerprint records were also removed because the databases holding them were connected to the PNC.
Naveed Malik, the NPCC’s lead for PNC, revealed to chiefs and police and crime commissioners today that 213,000 offence records, 175,000 arrest records and 15,000 person records have potentially been deleted in error from the system.
There could be overlap of information between these records as an individual’s arrest record could relate to multiple offences.
Mr Malik went on to reveal that around 26,000 DNA records relating to 21,710 people had potentially been deleted in error, alongside a further 30,000 fingerprint records and 600 subject records.
The government has said there is no risk to public safety since The Times revealed the breach today.
However Mr Malik’s letter said the deleted DNA records included some that had “previously been marked for indefinite retention following conviction of serious offences”.
There have already been crimefighting implications since last week’s blunder, amid fears that offenders could go free because biometric evidence left at crime scenes will not be flagged up on the PNC.
Mr Malik said that police were already aware of at least one instance where the DNA profile from a suspect in custody did not generate a match to a crime scene as expected, “potentially impeding the investigation of the individual’s involvement in the crime”.
Do they have no backup of this information at all?
Quite. It's surely inconceivable that anyone would do a data weeding operation without first taking a backup, and indeed that that there wouldn't be multiple backups at multiple points in time. At least, it should be inconceivable.
Richard/Francis.
My suspicion is that this was a rush job related to the purging of 40,000 EU related data records that the police had no right to following the Brexit deal.
Given they had to do this in just under a week, I suspect they messed it up, not only did they have to delete it, they had to delete all back ups.
Great argument except that the need (or at least the likely need) to purge 40,000 EU related records has been known about for over 2 years.
I.e. this is a screw up that shouldn't have occurred.
Obviously it is a screw-up but @TheScreamingEagles' theory is plausible because it would explain why this is the first and only time this has happened. Perhaps a new, Brexit-mandated procedure (a one-off, ad-hoc job) either was badly coded so deleted more data than was intended, or was run against the wrong database.
What does closing the travel corridors mean in practice, unless the flights are quarantined for 14 days on arrival this seems like a "let's make it looks like we're doing something" policy.
Apparently the airlines have to see the test certificate and a completed locator form before they board
It's a 97% specific and 80% sensitive test which is essentially worthless and there's a 72h window for people to catch it as well. The policy is completely useless.
Even with that they have to quarantine on arrival for ten days. Five with a second negative test afterwards.
Advice about what to write on anniversary card to my wife. I`m crap at this.
Google suggestions include:
• You're the perfect one for me. • I love our life together. • You're an amazing wife. • I'm so lucky to have you in my life. • I love being married to you. • You're more beautiful now than ever.
I can`t bring myself to write any of that sappy stuff. And “so far so good” doesn`t seem adequate.
There must be a third way?
I looked at the universe and asked why was I here, then I met you and found my answer
Noooo. If I said that to my wife she would fall about laughing.
Fortunately for me our birthdays and our children's birthdays and our anniversary all occur within 9 days of one another so it just gets forgotten. In 2019 we celebrated wife's 60th, my 65th and our 25th anniversary (4 day range). And if anyone wonders why we got married on that date I got threatened with 'by your 40th birthday or else'. I celebrated my 40th on the plane to the honeymoon.
What does closing the travel corridors mean in practice, unless the flights are quarantined for 14 days on arrival this seems like a "let's make it looks like we're doing something" policy.
Apparently the airlines have to see the test certificate and a completed locator form before they board
It's a 97% specific and 80% sensitive test which is essentially worthless and there's a 72h window for people to catch it as well. The policy is completely useless.
Even with that they have to quarantine on arrival for ten days. Five with a second negative test afterwards.
"It’s Joe Biden’s job to put a stop to American carnage – and this is what he should say on 20 January The task of the president-elect’s inauguration speech is, as Lincoln said in 1865, “to bind up the nation’s wounds”. Philip Collins"
Step 1 of detox imo HAS to be Trump and Trumpers conceding the election was free and fair and lost. After that all is possible in the best of all possible worlds. I have a line for Joe's big speech -
You drop the "steal" shit. We start the "heal" bit.
What does closing the travel corridors mean in practice, unless the flights are quarantined for 14 days on arrival this seems like a "let's make it looks like we're doing something" policy.
Apparently the airlines have to see the test certificate and a completed locator form before they board
It's a 97% specific and 80% sensitive test which is essentially worthless and there's a 72h window for people to catch it as well. The policy is completely useless.
Even with that they have to quarantine on arrival for ten days. Five with a second negative test afterwards.
Self certified quarantine which is worthless.
There was a nebulous statement about increasing enforcement. Agree it is difficult, but hopefully most people try to stick to it as best they can.
Why is Boris banging on (at least twice now) about virus spread by touching surfaces and objects? I thought packaging and fomites had been found innocent early on. Has there been new research?
If the ship of state is as unwieldly as an oil tanker, then the ship of state-given-advice is even worse.....
Why is Boris banging on (at least twice now) about virus spread by touching surfaces and objects? I thought packaging and fomites had been found innocent early on. Has there been new research?
Maybe it was found to be an effective message to get people to change their behaviour generally.
What does closing the travel corridors mean in practice, unless the flights are quarantined for 14 days on arrival this seems like a "let's make it looks like we're doing something" policy.
Apparently the airlines have to see the test certificate and a completed locator form before they board
It's a 97% specific and 80% sensitive test which is essentially worthless and there's a 72h window for people to catch it as well. The policy is completely useless.
Even with that they have to quarantine on arrival for ten days. Five with a second negative test afterwards.
Self certified quarantine which is worthless.
There was a nebulous statement about increasing enforcement. Agree it is difficult, but hopefully most people try to stick to it as best they can.
But we know they don't. The only way to ensure this is to close the border and only allow people in after 14 days mandatory quarantine at a hotel near the airport at the traveller's expense. Fuck the airports and airlines, we need to keep these variants out at any cost.
What does closing the travel corridors mean in practice, unless the flights are quarantined for 14 days on arrival this seems like a "let's make it looks like we're doing something" policy.
Advice about what to write on anniversary card to my wife. I`m crap at this.
Google suggestions include:
• You're the perfect one for me. • I love our life together. • You're an amazing wife. • I'm so lucky to have you in my life. • I love being married to you. • You're more beautiful now than ever.
I can`t bring myself to write any of that sappy stuff. And “so far so good” doesn`t seem adequate.
If our marriage was a child, it would now be able to vote, get a tattoo and open a bank account in its own name. Loved every single year of it with you. Here's to the next 18.
Advice about what to write on anniversary card to my wife. I`m crap at this.
Google suggestions include:
• You're the perfect one for me. • I love our life together. • You're an amazing wife. • I'm so lucky to have you in my life. • I love being married to you. • You're more beautiful now than ever.
I can`t bring myself to write any of that sappy stuff. And “so far so good” doesn`t seem adequate.
If our marriage was a child, it would now be able to vote, get a tattoo and open a bank account in its own name. Loved every single year of it with you. Here's to the next 18.
What does closing the travel corridors mean in practice, unless the flights are quarantined for 14 days on arrival this seems like a "let's make it looks like we're doing something" policy.
Apparently the airlines have to see the test certificate and a completed locator form before they board
It's a 97% specific and 80% sensitive test which is essentially worthless and there's a 72h window for people to catch it as well. The policy is completely useless.
Even with that they have to quarantine on arrival for ten days. Five with a second negative test afterwards.
Self certified quarantine which is worthless.
Guernsey's found effective policing and £10,000 fines for breaches quite effective.
I guess the "effective policing" may be a challenge - in Guernsey the Border Force have carried out the UK equivalent of 867,000 visits to the quarantined in the last 14 days.
What does closing the travel corridors mean in practice, unless the flights are quarantined for 14 days on arrival this seems like a "let's make it looks like we're doing something" policy.
Apparently the airlines have to see the test certificate and a completed locator form before they board
It's a 97% specific and 80% sensitive test which is essentially worthless and there's a 72h window for people to catch it as well. The policy is completely useless.
Even with that they have to quarantine on arrival for ten days. Five with a second negative test afterwards.
Self certified quarantine which is worthless.
I don't agree with that.
And I suspect the compliance figures would back me up.
Where was there better compliance with lockdown measures - UK or France, which was issuing about 100-1000x more fines in the early days?
What does closing the travel corridors mean in practice, unless the flights are quarantined for 14 days on arrival this seems like a "let's make it looks like we're doing something" policy.
Apparently the airlines have to see the test certificate and a completed locator form before they board
It's a 97% specific and 80% sensitive test which is essentially worthless and there's a 72h window for people to catch it as well. The policy is completely useless.
Even with that they have to quarantine on arrival for ten days. Five with a second negative test afterwards.
Self certified quarantine which is worthless.
There was a nebulous statement about increasing enforcement. Agree it is difficult, but hopefully most people try to stick to it as best they can.
But we know they don't. The only way to ensure this is to close the border and only allow people in after 14 days mandatory quarantine at a hotel near the airport at the traveller's expense. Fuck the airports and airlines, we need to keep these variants out at any cost.
New Zealand also charges those who come in for their quarantine - it's NZ$3100 per person for 14 days and NZ$4000 for a couple. They had some problems with individuals escaping the Auckland Hotels and spreading the virus round the country.
There is regular testing within the 14 day period and you are only allowed out if you test negative again after 14 days.
Having fun* with regards to move dates. Old sods selling to us insisted couldn't move until end of Jan and needed 3 weeks notice to a completion date. Have had either side of the first weekend in February on the table for ages. Then seller says Can we do the week after that? Hang on, we'll check. Takes our estate agent 4 days to hear back from our buyer that no, they need to complete to the original schedule.
So back we go to try and get the old sods to move when we'd proposed which was to their advised requirements. The problem is that they have been somewhat cantankerous when it comes to co-operating with this process - I don't think they have actually understood that yes we are buying their house and that means get ready to move.
We're largely boxed up already. Removal company just needs us to confirm when we're going (its a 2 day operation). So hurry up you old gits!
Advice about what to write on anniversary card to my wife. I`m crap at this.
Google suggestions include:
• You're the perfect one for me. • I love our life together. • You're an amazing wife. • I'm so lucky to have you in my life. • I love being married to you. • You're more beautiful now than ever.
I can`t bring myself to write any of that sappy stuff. And “so far so good” doesn`t seem adequate.
What does closing the travel corridors mean in practice, unless the flights are quarantined for 14 days on arrival this seems like a "let's make it looks like we're doing something" policy.
Apparently the airlines have to see the test certificate and a completed locator form before they board
It's a 97% specific and 80% sensitive test which is essentially worthless and there's a 72h window for people to catch it as well. The policy is completely useless.
Even with that they have to quarantine on arrival for ten days. Five with a second negative test afterwards.
Self certified quarantine which is worthless.
I don't agree with that.
And I suspect the compliance figures would back me up.
Where was there better compliance with lockdown measures - UK or France, which was issuing about 100-1000x more fines in the early days?
Are there numbers for travel compliance?
They wouldn't, a recent UCL study found that 40% of people admitted they don't isolate *after* a positive test. The isolation rates for quarantine will be even lower, unless you think people coming from New York for 4 days spend all of it alone in a hotel room. It's this kind of unbelievably naive thinking that has led to the wholesale importation of cases and variants.
Having fun* with regards to move dates. Old sods selling to us insisted couldn't move until end of Jan and needed 3 weeks notice to a completion date. Have had either side of the first weekend in February on the table for ages. Then seller says Can we do the week after that? Hang on, we'll check. Takes our estate agent 4 days to hear back from our buyer that no, they need to complete to the original schedule.
So back we go to try and get the old sods to move when we'd proposed which was to their advised requirements. The problem is that they have been somewhat cantankerous when it comes to co-operating with this process - I don't think they have actually understood that yes we are buying their house and that means get ready to move.
We're largely boxed up already. Removal company just needs us to confirm when we're going (its a 2 day operation). So hurry up you old gits!
Apart from your rather grumpy tone if you have entered a contact to sell and purchase a date will be in the contracts and it is non negotiable
Or are you still subject to contact in England, in which case you run the risk of your buyer walking away.
And are you legally committed to your purchase in Scotland and to the date as Scots law is different
What does closing the travel corridors mean in practice, unless the flights are quarantined for 14 days on arrival this seems like a "let's make it looks like we're doing something" policy.
Apparently the airlines have to see the test certificate and a completed locator form before they board
It's a 97% specific and 80% sensitive test which is essentially worthless and there's a 72h window for people to catch it as well. The policy is completely useless.
Even with that they have to quarantine on arrival for ten days. Five with a second negative test afterwards.
Self certified quarantine which is worthless.
There was a nebulous statement about increasing enforcement. Agree it is difficult, but hopefully most people try to stick to it as best they can.
But we know they don't. The only way to ensure this is to close the border and only allow people in after 14 days mandatory quarantine at a hotel near the airport at the traveller's expense. Fuck the airports and airlines, we need to keep these variants out at any cost.
New Zealand also charges those who come in for their quarantine - it's NZ$3100 per person for 14 days and NZ$4000 for a couple. They had some problems with individuals escaping the Auckland Hotels and spreading the virus round the country.
There is regular testing within the 14 day period and you are only allowed out if you test negative again after 14 days.
Yes, I'm suggesting we have the same policy and charge people as part of the ticketing process.
What have the Celts, Romans, Norse, Angles, Saxons, Normans, Irish, Jews, Huguenots, Indians, Africans, Pakistanis, Chinese and West Indians ever done for us?
What have the Celts, Romans, Norse, Angles, Saxons, Normans, Irish, Jews, Huguenots, Indians, Africans, Pakistanis, Chinese and West Indians ever done for us?
Brittas on travel corridors: "right step, but slow again"
"The measures the Prime Minister has announced are the right measures."
While Starmer is clearly sub-Corbyn useless, the Chris Barrie character reference is as poor as Starmer undoubtedly is
Starmer is doing well. Boris is doing well. Almost all politicians in the UK are doing well. These are very testing times and they're passing the tests - clearly no A's will be awarded though.
What have the Celts, Romans, Norse, Angles, Saxons, Normans, Irish, Jews, Huguenots, Indians, Africans, Pakistanis, Chinese and West Indians ever done for us?
What have the Celts, Romans, Norse, Angles, Saxons, Normans, Irish, Jews, Huguenots, Indians, Africans, Pakistanis, Chinese and West Indians ever done for us?
Brittas on travel corridors: "right step, but slow again"
"The measures the Prime Minister has announced are the right measures."
I presume he is moaning that we aren't doing 500k/day vaccinations and would be if only we did 24/7. He did a hashtag and everything, that meant he would have achieved it.
What have the Celts, Romans, Norse, Angles, Saxons, Normans, Irish, Jews, Huguenots, Indians, Africans, Pakistanis, Chinese and West Indians ever done for us?
patriotic: From French patriotique, from Late Latin patriōticus alternative: From Middle French alternatif, from Medieval Latin alternātīvus (“alternating”), from the participle stem of Latin alternō (“interchange, alternate”) indigenous: Borrowed from Late Latin indigenus Britons: From Old French Breton, from Latin Britto built: From Middle English bilden, from Old English byldan (“to build, construct”), from Proto-Germanic *buþlijaną (“to build”) Britain: From Middle English Breteyn, from Old English Breoton, Bryten etc., from Latin Britannia
What have the Celts, Romans, Norse, Angles, Saxons, Normans, Irish, Jews, Huguenots, Indians, Africans, Pakistanis, Chinese and West Indians ever done for us?
What does closing the travel corridors mean in practice, unless the flights are quarantined for 14 days on arrival this seems like a "let's make it looks like we're doing something" policy.
Apparently the airlines have to see the test certificate and a completed locator form before they board
It's a 97% specific and 80% sensitive test which is essentially worthless and there's a 72h window for people to catch it as well. The policy is completely useless.
Even with that they have to quarantine on arrival for ten days. Five with a second negative test afterwards.
Self certified quarantine which is worthless.
There was a nebulous statement about increasing enforcement. Agree it is difficult, but hopefully most people try to stick to it as best they can.
But we know they don't. The only way to ensure this is to close the border and only allow people in after 14 days mandatory quarantine at a hotel near the airport at the traveller's expense. Fuck the airports and airlines, we need to keep these variants out at any cost.
New Zealand also charges those who come in for their quarantine - it's NZ$3100 per person for 14 days and NZ$4000 for a couple. They had some problems with individuals escaping the Auckland Hotels and spreading the virus round the country.
There is regular testing within the 14 day period and you are only allowed out if you test negative again after 14 days.
Yes, I'm suggesting we have the same policy and charge people as part of the ticketing process.
I would be a little more generous: so, I would have tests 48 hours before hand to even go to the airport, plus antigen before getting on the plane.
Upon landing everyone would get an additional PCR test and would be shuttled to their hotel. Assuming that those PCR tests were all negative, and that everyone from the plane tested negative again at five days, I'd let people go then.
If, obviously, anyone tested postive upon landing, or after five days in the hotel, then the entire passenger list would be quarantined for two weeks.
What have the Celts, Romans, Norse, Angles, Saxons, Normans, Irish, Jews, Huguenots, Indians, Africans, Pakistanis, Chinese and West Indians ever done for us?
Brittas on travel corridors: "right step, but slow again"
"The measures the Prime Minister has announced are the right measures."
While Starmer is clearly sub-Corbyn useless, the Chris Barrie character reference is as poor as Starmer undoubtedly is
Yes, I think the frequent references to Gordon Brittas by a handful of posters are tiresome (and rather childish, even).
This forum is a bit cliquey at times. New posters, or those who visit infrequently, wouldn't, I suspect, understand the reference.
It's the new Keith Starmer which was a rip roaring success.
Well at least we know who that refers to. Gordon Brittas? I'd never heard of him. Suggests a bit of a struggle to land heavy gloves on Keith Keir.
I was around in the Eighties, but the reference is lost on me. Though as the show was the Brittas Empire, it might shore up support for SKS with the flag enthusiasts.
"When it is only by rigorous analysis of the way the world is changing that we have any prospect of securing our future".
The significance of that, fundamentally, is that he's still selling the same globalisation cure-all as he was in the late '90s. That has very little public, popular mileage on either the modern right or left now, compared to 20 years ago, and for fairly understandable reasons since 2008.
It does have rather a lot more in common with the vision of some of the more radical Brexiters that he might care to admit, though.
Caller Robin has been in the industry for 45 years - he explains to LBC that voting for Brexit in the name of fishing is "total lunacy."
British fisherman have accused Boris Johnson of dishonesty and betrayal over his fishing deal.
Robin said: "To fix this, there is only one fix: we must rejoin the customs union and the single market, it's that simple. It's not complicated, that is the bottom line."
Advice about what to write on anniversary card to my wife. I`m crap at this.
Google suggestions include:
• You're the perfect one for me. • I love our life together. • You're an amazing wife. • I'm so lucky to have you in my life. • I love being married to you. • You're more beautiful now than ever.
I can`t bring myself to write any of that sappy stuff. And “so far so good” doesn`t seem adequate.
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My suspicion is that this was a rush job related to the purging of 40,000 EU related data records that the police had no right to following the Brexit deal.
Given they had to do this in just under a week, I suspect they messed it up, not only did they have to delete it, they had to delete all back ups.
I.e. this is a screw up that shouldn't have occurred.
I thought airborne transmission was seen as the key vector?
I LOVE YOU
And
YOU ARE SO SPECIAL
And
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING
xoxo
and here in Wales I would add
CARIAD
Or 'I want to be your favourite hello and your hardest goodbye.'
But I've got some awesome Valentine's Day messages, but it isn't the lagershed yet.
You are talking to the guy who promised his then girlfriend for Valentine's Day something no other woman had ever received in the history of Valentine's Day, so on Valentine's Day I gave her a bottle of toilet duck.
Women just like things that are genuine, so make sure it sounds like something you would actually say!
Not judging you at all, this is the sort of thing that I might well have googled as well.
And give her a big kiss on the bottom.
OF THE CARD.
Fortunately for me our birthdays and our children's birthdays and our anniversary all occur within 9 days of one another so it just gets forgotten. In 2019 we celebrated wife's 60th, my 65th and our 25th anniversary (4 day range). And if anyone wonders why we got married on that date I got threatened with 'by your 40th birthday or else'. I celebrated my 40th on the plane to the honeymoon.
You drop the "steal" shit.
We start the "heal" bit.
Go full NZ.
"The measures the Prime Minister has announced are the right measures."
I guess the "effective policing" may be a challenge - in Guernsey the Border Force have carried out the UK equivalent of 867,000 visits to the quarantined in the last 14 days.
What a plank!
It seems Labour messages are always we have to spend a lot more and enforce the laws including closing everything down
And I suspect the compliance figures would back me up.
Where was there better compliance with lockdown measures - UK or France, which was issuing about 100-1000x more fines in the early days?
Are there numbers for travel compliance?
Also the all travel ban is agreed by all 4 administrations and comes into force at the same time
There is regular testing within the 14 day period and you are only allowed out if you test negative again after 14 days.
So back we go to try and get the old sods to move when we'd proposed which was to their advised requirements. The problem is that they have been somewhat cantankerous when it comes to co-operating with this process - I don't think they have actually understood that yes we are buying their house and that means get ready to move.
We're largely boxed up already. Removal company just needs us to confirm when we're going (its a 2 day operation). So hurry up you old gits!
You have vaccinated me against loving anyone else
I've caught the virus of loving you
(that's enough of that shite -ed)
Got friends 'stuck' in Northern Ireland at the moment.
Not sure when they are coming back.
Or are you still subject to contact in England, in which case you run the risk of your buyer walking away.
And are you legally committed to your purchase in Scotland and to the date as Scots law is different
https://twitter.com/Otto_English/status/1350115978689073155?s=20
It was great for career progression, have to admit, not something I'm keen to experience again.
This forum is a bit cliquey at times. New posters, or those who visit infrequently, wouldn't, I suspect, understand the reference.
James Goddard joined them today.
'Smoke me some Kippers...'
alternative: From Middle French alternatif, from Medieval Latin alternātīvus (“alternating”), from the participle stem of Latin alternō (“interchange, alternate”)
indigenous: Borrowed from Late Latin indigenus
Britons: From Old French Breton, from Latin Britto
built: From Middle English bilden, from Old English byldan (“to build, construct”), from Proto-Germanic *buþlijaną (“to build”)
Britain: From Middle English Breteyn, from Old English Breoton, Bryten etc., from Latin Britannia
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1350070007133310977?s=20
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1350070146661044227?s=20
I once worked a 132 hour week for a cardiology job, but fortunately as locum so paid by the hour. I bought a BMW after the first few weeks.
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1350146479789400065
No wonder I voted for him twice and the only times for labour
Upon landing everyone would get an additional PCR test and would be shuttled to their hotel. Assuming that those PCR tests were all negative, and that everyone from the plane tested negative again at five days, I'd let people go then.
If, obviously, anyone tested postive upon landing, or after five days in the hotel, then the entire passenger list would be quarantined for two weeks.
KeithKeir.Good numbers indeed. Remember that much of Yorkshire was under heavy snowfall yesterday. Impressive return.
Now, let’s target 400k/day!
The significance of that, fundamentally, is that he's still selling the same globalisation cure-all as he was in the late '90s. That has very little public, popular mileage on either the modern right or left now, compared to 20 years ago, and for fairly understandable reasons since 2008.
It does have rather a lot more in common with the vision of some of the more radical Brexiters that he might care to admit, though.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/fisherman-tells-james-obrien-brexit-deal-is-total-lunacy-for-uk-fisheries/
Caller Robin has been in the industry for 45 years - he explains to LBC that voting for Brexit in the name of fishing is "total lunacy."
British fisherman have accused Boris Johnson of dishonesty and betrayal over his fishing deal.
Robin said: "To fix this, there is only one fix: we must rejoin the customs union and the single market, it's that simple. It's not complicated, that is the bottom line."