Sending a 5kg package from UK to Belgium cost £13 two weeks ago. Now it costs £44.
Well done Brexiteers. You certainly showed them.
I call bullshit. I just went to parcel2go and got them to quote for a 5kg package (30cmx30cmx30cm).
£18.94 with Parcelforce 3 day delivery.
This is such a dumb lie to make because it is so easy to check.
I'll never understand why people make up anecdotes which can be very quickly refuted. There's an art to making this stuff up, as my taxi driver told me the other day.
Toby Young. Covidiot and Brexiter. Tim Martin. Covidiot and Brexiter. Julia Hartley-Brewer. Covidiot and Brexiter. “Backwoodsman” Tory MPs. Covidiots and Brexiters.
I wonder what ties these two seemingly disparate ideologies together?
Corbyn Bros...Covidiots and .....oh I see what you mean.
The moratorium on using the actions of relatives to attack politicians did not last long, or was that a special deal for Boris and his dad's euro-passport?
If Scotland voted to stay in the UK in a 2nd IndyRef after everything that has happened with Brexit then that will put the issue to bed for a long time. I think it's deluded to suggest that there will be a further 3rd and 4th referendum.
The best policy for Unionists is to finish what Blair started and failed to finish: give Scotland a final and sustainable long-term devolution settlement, just as @Gardenwalker suggests. Then have a IndyRef.
If a future Labour government wishes to do that fine, this Tory government respects the once in a generation 2014 vote
So why didn’t she want a deal with Europe then? No wonder the SNP want control of our drugs policy. Their leadership is on acid.
Yep, mystifying when only three weeks ago she was told that no deal ‘would be wonderful for the UK’. Imagine voting ‘for’ something that would be wonderful for the UK!
She may have been told that Divvie but she was adamant that that was ridiculous and then voted for it!
Only the mps that Scotland sends down to the animal house rather than Nicola of course.
Lead the UK, don’t leave it, as the empty appeal went.
Toby Young. Covidiot and Brexiter. Tim Martin. Covidiot and Brexiter. Julia Hartley-Brewer. Covidiot and Brexiter. “Backwoodsman” Tory MPs. Covidiots and Brexiters.
I wonder what ties these two seemingly disparate ideologies together?
Corbyn Bros...Covidiots and .....oh I see what you mean.
The moratorium on using the actions of relatives to attack politicians did not last long, or was that a special deal for Boris and his dad's euro-passport?
I thought that was a reference to fans of Corbyn a la the Bernie Bros, not a reference to Piers.
Toby Young. Covidiot and Brexiter. Tim Martin. Covidiot and Brexiter. Julia Hartley-Brewer. Covidiot and Brexiter. “Backwoodsman” Tory MPs. Covidiots and Brexiters.
I wonder what ties these two seemingly disparate ideologies together?
Corbyn Bros...Covidiots and .....oh I see what you mean.
The moratorium on using the actions of relatives to attack politicians did not last long, or was that a special deal for Boris and his dad's euro-passport?
?????....are you suggesting Piers is being unfairly smeared as a Brexiteer? Cos both brothers are proven Covidiots.
Toby Young. Covidiot and Brexiter. Tim Martin. Covidiot and Brexiter. Julia Hartley-Brewer. Covidiot and Brexiter. “Backwoodsman” Tory MPs. Covidiots and Brexiters.
I wonder what ties these two seemingly disparate ideologies together?
Corbyn Bros...Covidiots and .....oh I see what you mean.
The moratorium on using the actions of relatives to attack politicians did not last long, or was that a special deal for Boris and his dad's euro-passport?
He's not being used, they're both prominent Covidiots in their own right. No politics necessary.
Toby Young. Covidiot and Brexiter. Tim Martin. Covidiot and Brexiter. Julia Hartley-Brewer. Covidiot and Brexiter. “Backwoodsman” Tory MPs. Covidiots and Brexiters.
I wonder what ties these two seemingly disparate ideologies together?
Corbyn Bros...Covidiots and .....oh I see what you mean.
The moratorium on using the actions of relatives to attack politicians did not last long, or was that a special deal for Boris and his dad's euro-passport?
I thought that was a reference to fans of Corbyn a la the Bernie Bros, not a reference to Piers.
If Scotland voted to stay in the UK in a 2nd IndyRef after everything that has happened with Brexit then that will put the issue to bed for a long time. I think it's deluded to suggest that there will be a further 3rd and 4th referendum.
The best policy for Unionists is to finish what Blair started and failed to finish: give Scotland a final and sustainable long-term devolution settlement, just as @Gardenwalker suggests. Then have a IndyRef.
If a future Labour government wishes to do that fine, this Tory government respects the once in a generation 2014 vote
So why didn’t she want a deal with Europe then? No wonder the SNP want control of our drugs policy. Their leadership is on acid.
Yep, mystifying when only three weeks ago she was told that no deal ‘would be wonderful for the UK’. Imagine voting ‘for’ something that would be wonderful for the UK!
She may have been told that Divvie but she was adamant that that was ridiculous and then voted for it!
Only the mps that Scotland sends down to the animal house rather than Nicola of course.
Lead the UK, don’t leave it, as the empty appeal went.
Sending Nicola down rather than rentagob might be a start.
If Scotland voted to stay in the UK in a 2nd IndyRef after everything that has happened with Brexit then that will put the issue to bed for a long time. I think it's deluded to suggest that there will be a further 3rd and 4th referendum.
The best policy for Unionists is to finish what Blair started and failed to finish: give Scotland a final and sustainable long-term devolution settlement, just as @Gardenwalker suggests. Then have a IndyRef.
If a future Labour government wishes to do that fine, this Tory government respects the once in a generation 2014 vote
So why didn’t she want a deal with Europe then? No wonder the SNP want control of our drugs policy. Their leadership is on acid.
Yep, mystifying when only three weeks ago she was told that no deal ‘would be wonderful for the UK’. Imagine voting ‘for’ something that would be wonderful for the UK!
She may have been told that Divvie but she was adamant that that was ridiculous and then voted for it!
Only the mps that Scotland sends down to the animal house rather than Nicola of course.
Lead the UK, don’t leave it, as the empty appeal went.
No she indulged in the meaningless gesture of voting against the deal at Holyrood as well.
Toby Young. Covidiot and Brexiter. Tim Martin. Covidiot and Brexiter. Julia Hartley-Brewer. Covidiot and Brexiter. “Backwoodsman” Tory MPs. Covidiots and Brexiters.
I wonder what ties these two seemingly disparate ideologies together?
Corbyn Bros...Covidiots and .....oh I see what you mean.
The moratorium on using the actions of relatives to attack politicians did not last long, or was that a special deal for Boris and his dad's euro-passport?
?????....are you suggesting Piers is being unfairly smeared as a Brexiteer? Cos both brothers are proven Covidiots.
Piers Corbyn is definitely a Brexiteer. Even more so than his brother. Piers strongly supported No Deal.
Gods, I hope virtually no one shows up, just to see his reaction and trying to pretend lots of people did. But sadly probably lots of people will be there.
Elected officials have indulged him enough and made enough gestures about how much they love Trump, I hope they don't try any futher needless gestures.
Sending a 5kg package from UK to Belgium cost £13 two weeks ago. Now it costs £44.
Well done Brexiteers. You certainly showed them.
I call bullshit. I just went to parcel2go and got them to quote for a 5kg package (30cmx30cmx30cm).
£18.94 with Parcelforce 3 day delivery.
This is such a dumb lie to make because it is so easy to check.
So only the 46% price rise, then. Worth it!
Without knowing what it was a week ago that's not necessarily true either.
Well I have just checked Italy, Spain and the Netherlands, all of which I sent parcels to just before Christmas and the prices are unchanged. Sadly I didn't send to Belgium in the last month or so but given the original post was utterly misleading about current prices I see no reason to believe them on the prices 2 weeks ago either.
British “influencer”-type arrested with her boyfriend in Barbados, after he tested positive on arrival and they tried to jump the mandatory quarantine and get on a flight out - HAVING TESTED POSITIVE!
Thankfully it appears Barbados takes rather a tough line on such behaviour.
If Scotland voted to stay in the UK in a 2nd IndyRef after everything that has happened with Brexit then that will put the issue to bed for a long time. I think it's deluded to suggest that there will be a further 3rd and 4th referendum.
The best policy for Unionists is to finish what Blair started and failed to finish: give Scotland a final and sustainable long-term devolution settlement, just as @Gardenwalker suggests. Then have a IndyRef.
If a future Labour government wishes to do that fine, this Tory government respects the once in a generation 2014 vote
So why didn’t she want a deal with Europe then? No wonder the SNP want control of our drugs policy. Their leadership is on acid.
Yep, mystifying when only three weeks ago she was told that no deal ‘would be wonderful for the UK’. Imagine voting ‘for’ something that would be wonderful for the UK!
She may have been told that Divvie but she was adamant that that was ridiculous and then voted for it!
Only the mps that Scotland sends down to the animal house rather than Nicola of course.
Lead the UK, don’t leave it, as the empty appeal went.
No she indulged in the meaningless gesture of voting against the deal at Holyrood as well.
Phew, glad it was meaningless, I was beginning to buy into the Yoonstream circlejerk that an enraged Scottish populace was about to turn on the Natz for almost forcing the UK into a no deal. #nodealNicola
British “influencer”-type arrested with her boyfriend in Barbados, after he tested positive on arrival and they tried to jump the mandatory quarantine and get on a flight out - HAVING TESTED POSITIVE!
Thankfully it appears Barbados takes rather a tough line on such behaviour.
If Scotland voted to stay in the UK in a 2nd IndyRef after everything that has happened with Brexit then that will put the issue to bed for a long time. I think it's deluded to suggest that there will be a further 3rd and 4th referendum.
The best policy for Unionists is to finish what Blair started and failed to finish: give Scotland a final and sustainable long-term devolution settlement, just as @Gardenwalker suggests. Then have a IndyRef.
If a future Labour government wishes to do that fine, this Tory government respects the once in a generation 2014 vote
So why didn’t she want a deal with Europe then? No wonder the SNP want control of our drugs policy. Their leadership is on acid.
Yep, mystifying when only three weeks ago she was told that no deal ‘would be wonderful for the UK’. Imagine voting ‘for’ something that would be wonderful for the UK!
She may have been told that Divvie but she was adamant that that was ridiculous and then voted for it!
Only the mps that Scotland sends down to the animal house rather than Nicola of course.
Lead the UK, don’t leave it, as the empty appeal went.
No she indulged in the meaningless gesture of voting against the deal at Holyrood as well.
Phew, glad it was meaningless, I was beginning to buy into the Yoonstream circlejerk that an enraged Scottish populace was about to turn on the Natz for almost forcing the UK into a no deal. #nodealNicola
Meaningless and irrational. Sounds like the Scottish government on an average day in fairness but this one is particularly stupid.
I must fess up that I didn't expect a full on second wave either, more that we would have a long bumpy tail through the autumn.
It does look like the original SAGE advice in March was accurate. The second wave would be considerably bigger than the first. It does look too that the high mortality rates forecast before the November lockdown weren’t far off either.
Toby Young. Covidiot and Brexiter. Tim Martin. Covidiot and Brexiter. Julia Hartley-Brewer. Covidiot and Brexiter. “Backwoodsman” Tory MPs. Covidiots and Brexiters.
I wonder what ties these two seemingly disparate ideologies together?
Corbyn Bros...Covidiots and .....oh I see what you mean.
The moratorium on using the actions of relatives to attack politicians did not last long, or was that a special deal for Boris and his dad's euro-passport?
?????....are you suggesting Piers is being unfairly smeared as a Brexiteer? Cos both brothers are proven Covidiots.
Piers Corbyn is definitely a Brexiteer. Even more so than his brother. Piers strongly supported No Deal.
Whereas Jeremy's prior inactions just made sure that Boris' deal had to be accepted by Skyr....
Outrage as president Macron says Brexit is the product of 'lies and false promises'
Indeed, although I'd like to think if I were a Frenchman I'd be wary of any comment by the President on the failings of the UK, as it seems like an incredible obvious distraction ploy or lazy playing to the crowd.
British “influencer”-type arrested with her boyfriend in Barbados, after he tested positive on arrival and they tried to jump the mandatory quarantine and get on a flight out - HAVING TESTED POSITIVE!
Thankfully it appears Barbados takes rather a tough line on such behaviour.
They are just so monumentally, unbelievably, incurably shit. Our daughter was due to go back to school in four days' time, now she isn't. People are catching Covid left right and centre round here - my eldest tested positive last week - it was blindingly obvious that the schools shouldn't be opening. But rather than giving families and schools time to prepare, they're running around like headless chickens, changing policy at the last minute. Fucking clueless wankers.
I cannot see it being realistic for schools to be going back this month, anywhere. It's spreading everywhere.
One one hand, better to take the decision now rather than Monday.
On the other, my abiding memory of March is that we were scrabbling down a landslide, hoping that each measure would be sufficient to regain control and then finding it wasn't.
That sense hasn't really gone away, but it's getting more intense again.
We are absolutely there. Ths is March all over again.
The correct time to have locked everything down was a month ago but the next best time is right the fuck now.
I must fess up that I didn't expect a full on second wave either, more that we would have a long bumpy tail through the autumn.
It does look like the original SAGE advice in March was accurate. The second wave would be considerably bigger than the first. It does look too that the high mortality rates forecast before the November lockdown weren’t far off either.
If we had closed the borders and no reseeded it with all those summer holidays bringing the Spanish variant we might have seen a bit of a bumpy winter rather than a clusterf##k.
British “influencer”-type arrested with her boyfriend in Barbados, after he tested positive on arrival and they tried to jump the mandatory quarantine and get on a flight out - HAVING TESTED POSITIVE!
Thankfully it appears Barbados takes rather a tough line on such behaviour.
I must fess up that I didn't expect a full on second wave either, more that we would have a long bumpy tail through the autumn.
It does look like the original SAGE advice in March was accurate. The second wave would be considerably bigger than the first. It does look too that the high mortality rates forecast before the November lockdown weren’t far off either.
Spanish Flu - second wave worse than the first. Lessons from history.
British “influencer”-type arrested with her boyfriend in Barbados, after he tested positive on arrival and they tried to jump the mandatory quarantine and get on a flight out - HAVING TESTED POSITIVE!
Thankfully it appears Barbados takes rather a tough line on such behaviour.
I'm guessing prison in Barbados isn't like a Sandal's resort.
It’s safe to say the in-room air conditioning isn’t as good, and the buffet brunch certainly not up to Sandals’ usual standards!
Seeing a few of these idiots behind bars in far-flung destinations would certainly be a great start to the new year!
Circulate perp photos - no make-up, no hair products, scared, looking like shit.
"Covid - this is the welcome awaiting you in Barbados".
Putting unfiltered photos of these z-list celebs with no make-up etc on their Instagram accounts will be a worse punishment than 2 weeks in jail for many of them.
If Scotland voted to stay in the UK in a 2nd IndyRef after everything that has happened with Brexit then that will put the issue to bed for a long time. I think it's deluded to suggest that there will be a further 3rd and 4th referendum.
The best policy for Unionists is to finish what Blair started and failed to finish: give Scotland a final and sustainable long-term devolution settlement, just as @Gardenwalker suggests. Then have a IndyRef.
If a future Labour government wishes to do that fine, this Tory government respects the once in a generation 2014 vote
So why didn’t she want a deal with Europe then? No wonder the SNP want control of our drugs policy. Their leadership is on acid.
Yep, mystifying when only three weeks ago she was told that no deal ‘would be wonderful for the UK’. Imagine voting ‘for’ something that would be wonderful for the UK!
She may have been told that Divvie but she was adamant that that was ridiculous and then voted for it!
Only the mps that Scotland sends down to the animal house rather than Nicola of course.
Lead the UK, don’t leave it, as the empty appeal went.
No she indulged in the meaningless gesture of voting against the deal at Holyrood as well.
Phew, glad it was meaningless, I was beginning to buy into the Yoonstream circlejerk that an enraged Scottish populace was about to turn on the Natz for almost forcing the UK into a no deal. #nodealNicola
Look I had been assured at the start of 2020 on this here board that Nicola had been "Broken by Boris" and the revelations of the upcoming Salmond trial would see her resign by the second day of evidence.
One of literally hundreds, or possibly more accurately thousands, of posts like this again at the Daily Mall today :
"Klingklang, Small town in Suffolk, United Kingdom
There is a 6 minute video posted yesterday on Brand New Tube. A fellow went around Croydon hospital with his camera hidden. The whole place was deserted. The a & e which would normally be bursting had about 10 people in the waiting room. The a & e treatment area was empty. This is a crime against humanity as others who need cancer surgery etc are left to waste away. Those who need a & e have been purposely scared to not go. We are being lied to and most of the population believes the force fed lies."
I must fess up that I didn't expect a full on second wave either, more that we would have a long bumpy tail through the autumn.
It does look like the original SAGE advice in March was accurate. The second wave would be considerably bigger than the first. It does look too that the high mortality rates forecast before the November lockdown weren’t far off either.
If we had closed the borders and no reseeded it with all those summer holidays bringing the Spanish variant we might have seen a bit of a bumpy winter rather than a clusterf##k.
Yes, the future is always subject to changing by our actions.
One of hundreds of posts like this again at the Daily Mall today.
"Klingklang, Small town in Suffolk, United Kingdom
"There is a 6 minute video posted yesterday on Brand New Tube. A fellow went around Croydon hospital with his camera hidden. The whole place was deserted. The a & e which would normally be bursting had about 10 people in the waiting room. The a & e treatment area was empty. This is a crime against humanity as others who need cancer surgery etc are left to waste away. Those who need a & e have been purposely scared to not go. We are being lied to and most of the population believes the force fed lies."
Do any of these posts suggest a reason why the illuminati (or whoever) want to stop people getting A&E treatment?
Or why they all powerful state allows you to visit, just not with an open camera, to reveal its lies?
If Scotland voted to stay in the UK in a 2nd IndyRef after everything that has happened with Brexit then that will put the issue to bed for a long time. I think it's deluded to suggest that there will be a further 3rd and 4th referendum.
The best policy for Unionists is to finish what Blair started and failed to finish: give Scotland a final and sustainable long-term devolution settlement, just as @Gardenwalker suggests. Then have a IndyRef.
If a future Labour government wishes to do that fine, this Tory government respects the once in a generation 2014 vote
So why didn’t she want a deal with Europe then? No wonder the SNP want control of our drugs policy. Their leadership is on acid.
Yep, mystifying when only three weeks ago she was told that no deal ‘would be wonderful for the UK’. Imagine voting ‘for’ something that would be wonderful for the UK!
She may have been told that Divvie but she was adamant that that was ridiculous and then voted for it!
Only the mps that Scotland sends down to the animal house rather than Nicola of course.
Lead the UK, don’t leave it, as the empty appeal went.
No she indulged in the meaningless gesture of voting against the deal at Holyrood as well.
Phew, glad it was meaningless, I was beginning to buy into the Yoonstream circlejerk that an enraged Scottish populace was about to turn on the Natz for almost forcing the UK into a no deal. #nodealNicola
Look I had been assured at the start of 2020 on this here board that Nicola had been "Broken by Boris" and the revelations of the upcoming Salmond trial would see her resign by the second day of evidence.
The Yestapo have obviously infiltrated the Scottish legal system at every level.
The BBC too; saw some Yoonster on Twitter claiming quite seriously that ‘total babe’ Jackie Bird had been forced off the BBC Hogmanay stuff by the awful SNP.
One of hundreds of posts like this again at the Daily Mall today.
"Klingklang, Small town in Suffolk, United Kingdom
"There is a 6 minute video posted yesterday on Brand New Tube. A fellow went around Croydon hospital with his camera hidden. The whole place was deserted. The a & e which would normally be bursting had about 10 people in the waiting room. The a & e treatment area was empty. This is a crime against humanity as others who need cancer surgery etc are left to waste away. Those who need a & e have been purposely scared to not go. We are being lied to and most of the population believes the force fed lies."
Do any of these posts suggest a reason why the illuminati (or whoever) want to stop people getting A&E treatment?
Or why they all powerful state allows you to visit, just not with an open camera, to reveal its lies?
The Great Replacement Plan.
The One World Government wants native white folk to die so they can be replaced by darkies/immigrants/Muslims.
One of literally hundreds, or possibly more accurately thousands, of posts like this again at the Daily Mall today :
"Klingklang, Small town in Suffolk, United Kingdom
There is a 6 minute video posted yesterday on Brand New Tube. A fellow went around Croydon hospital with his camera hidden. The whole place was deserted. The a & e which would normally be bursting had about 10 people in the waiting room. The a & e treatment area was empty. This is a crime against humanity as others who need cancer surgery etc are left to waste away. Those who need a & e have been purposely scared to not go. We are being lied to and most of the population believes the force fed lies."
Another Brexit / Covidiot correlation: the Daily Hate’s comments forum.
One of hundreds of posts like this again at the Daily Mall today.
"Klingklang, Small town in Suffolk, United Kingdom
"There is a 6 minute video posted yesterday on Brand New Tube. A fellow went around Croydon hospital with his camera hidden. The whole place was deserted. The a & e which would normally be bursting had about 10 people in the waiting room. The a & e treatment area was empty. This is a crime against humanity as others who need cancer surgery etc are left to waste away. Those who need a & e have been purposely scared to not go. We are being lied to and most of the population believes the force fed lies."
Do any of these posts suggest a reason why the illuminati (or whoever) want to stop people getting A&E treatment?
Or why they all powerful state allows you to visit, just not with an open camera, to reveal its lies?
The Great Replacement Plan.
The One World Government wants native white folk to die so they can be replaced by darkies/immigrants/Muslims.
But aren't those the ones dying in greater numbers....
These conspiracy theories are terribly complicated.
England has now overtaken Wales in the 7-day average of reported cases (using Wales 7-day average up to yesterday as they didn't report today). Cases also shooting up in Scotland and Northern Ireland, so Wales actually is the one bright spot at the moment with falling numbers.
I must fess up that I didn't expect a full on second wave either, more that we would have a long bumpy tail through the autumn.
It does look like the original SAGE advice in March was accurate. The second wave would be considerably bigger than the first. It does look too that the high mortality rates forecast before the November lockdown weren’t far off either.
Spanish Flu - second wave worse than the first. Lessons from history.
I was thinking the same - the second wave then was far worse. Although wasn’t this due to the virus mutating into a form more likely to infect older people?
In just the last week the number of new UK infections has exceeded 1/4 million - yet the restrictions in place are lighter than those of last April. It is hard to see this lasting; surely more u-turns are incoming?
They are just so monumentally, unbelievably, incurably shit. Our daughter was due to go back to school in four days' time, now she isn't. People are catching Covid left right and centre round here - my eldest tested positive last week - it was blindingly obvious that the schools shouldn't be opening. But rather than giving families and schools time to prepare, they're running around like headless chickens, changing policy at the last minute. Fucking clueless wankers.
I cannot see it being realistic for schools to be going back this month, anywhere. It's spreading everywhere.
One one hand, better to take the decision now rather than Monday.
On the other, my abiding memory of March is that we were scrabbling down a landslide, hoping that each measure would be sufficient to regain control and then finding it wasn't.
That sense hasn't really gone away, but it's getting more intense again.
We are absolutely there. Ths is March all over again.
The correct time to have locked everything down was a month ago but the next best time is right the fuck now.
Yes. We needed to go into lockdown the day we came out of lockdown. Not extending Lockdown 2 until at least Christmas was a total balls-up.
I'm waiting for Bozo to claim that the whole of England in Tier 4 except for the Scilly Isles does not constitute a National Lockdown.
One of hundreds of posts like this again at the Daily Mall today.
"Klingklang, Small town in Suffolk, United Kingdom
"There is a 6 minute video posted yesterday on Brand New Tube. A fellow went around Croydon hospital with his camera hidden. The whole place was deserted. The a & e which would normally be bursting had about 10 people in the waiting room. The a & e treatment area was empty. This is a crime against humanity as others who need cancer surgery etc are left to waste away. Those who need a & e have been purposely scared to not go. We are being lied to and most of the population believes the force fed lies."
Do any of these posts suggest a reason why the illuminati (or whoever) want to stop people getting A&E treatment?
Or why they all powerful state allows you to visit, just not with an open camera, to reveal its lies?
The Great Replacement Plan.
The One World Government wants native white folk to die so they can be replaced by darkies/immigrants/Muslims.
Ah yes, of course, well known fact. So brazen as well.
I must fess up that I didn't expect a full on second wave either, more that we would have a long bumpy tail through the autumn.
It does look like the original SAGE advice in March was accurate. The second wave would be considerably bigger than the first. It does look too that the high mortality rates forecast before the November lockdown weren’t far off either.
Spanish Flu - second wave worse than the first. Lessons from history.
I was thinking the same - the second wave then was far worse. Although wasn’t this due to the virus mutating into a form more likely to infect older people?
In just the last week the number of new UK infections has exceeded 1/4 million - yet the restrictions in place are lighter than those of last April. It is hard to see this lasting; surely more u-turns are incoming?
Imperial report on Cockney Covid say November lockdown restrictions aren't even enough against this.new variant.
I must fess up that I didn't expect a full on second wave either, more that we would have a long bumpy tail through the autumn.
It does look like the original SAGE advice in March was accurate. The second wave would be considerably bigger than the first. It does look too that the high mortality rates forecast before the November lockdown weren’t far off either.
Spanish Flu - second wave worse than the first. Lessons from history.
I was thinking the same - the second wave then was far worse. Although wasn’t this due to the virus mutating into a form more likely to infect older people?
In just the last week the number of new UK infections has exceeded 1/4 million - yet the restrictions in place are lighter than those of last April. It is hard to see this lasting; surely more u-turns are incoming?
Imperial report on Cockney Covid say November lockdown restrictions aren't even enough against this.new variant.
Yep, R of 1.6 during that lockdown. Not clear that even closing the schools will be enough to bring it below 1. Ridiculous that parts of England are still in tier 3. All that does is ensure that the misery is spread around more evenly.
One of hundreds of posts like this again at the Daily Mall today.
"Klingklang, Small town in Suffolk, United Kingdom
"There is a 6 minute video posted yesterday on Brand New Tube. A fellow went around Croydon hospital with his camera hidden. The whole place was deserted. The a & e which would normally be bursting had about 10 people in the waiting room. The a & e treatment area was empty. This is a crime against humanity as others who need cancer surgery etc are left to waste away. Those who need a & e have been purposely scared to not go. We are being lied to and most of the population believes the force fed lies."
Do any of these posts suggest a reason why the illuminati (or whoever) want to stop people getting A&E treatment?
Or why they all powerful state allows you to visit, just not with an open camera, to reveal its lies?
The Great Replacement Plan.
The One World Government wants native white folk to die so they can be replaced by darkies/immigrants/Muslims.
Ah yes, of course, well known fact. So brazen as well.
Is “Teachers’ Union Boss doesn’t like Education Secretary” really ever news?
This is worse. To take the teaching analogy;
The very best Ed Secs, like the very best teachers, are both ruthlessly efficient and able to exude bonhomie. You can get away with almost anything them. Ken Clarke or Alan Johnson, say.
You can do pretty well in both fields without the bonhomie as long as you are ruthlessly efficient. Michael Gove or Ed Balls.
You can also just about do OK without the ruthless efficiency as long as you can get enough goodwill. Estelle Morris, for example.
When you are both despised for being rubbish at your job and hated for being an awful person, you're stuffed. Which is where Gavster finds himself.
Note that the whole purpose of GA runoff elections is to SUPRESS turnout by a) Blacks and b) urbanites. IF you doubt this, study the history of Peach State politics.
Hence (differential) turnout is almost always the BIGGEST hurdle that Democratic runoff candidates must surmount - the GA GOP's killer app.
HOWEVER, this clambake MAY be different, thanks to surge of support for Democrats by SUBURBAN voters, as demonstrated by Biden's presidential victory AND the fact that the US Senate races BOTH ended up in runoffs.
I must fess up that I didn't expect a full on second wave either, more that we would have a long bumpy tail through the autumn.
It does look like the original SAGE advice in March was accurate. The second wave would be considerably bigger than the first. It does look too that the high mortality rates forecast before the November lockdown weren’t far off either.
Spanish Flu - second wave worse than the first. Lessons from history.
I was thinking the same - the second wave then was far worse. Although wasn’t this due to the virus mutating into a form more likely to infect older people?
In just the last week the number of new UK infections has exceeded 1/4 million - yet the restrictions in place are lighter than those of last April. It is hard to see this lasting; surely more u-turns are incoming?
Imperial report on Cockney Covid say November lockdown restrictions aren't even enough against this.new variant.
Yep, R of 1.6 during that lockdown. Not clear that even closing the schools will be enough to bring it below 1. Ridiculous that parts of England are still in tier 3. All that does is ensure that the misery is spread around more evenly.
They are just so monumentally, unbelievably, incurably shit. Our daughter was due to go back to school in four days' time, now she isn't. People are catching Covid left right and centre round here - my eldest tested positive last week - it was blindingly obvious that the schools shouldn't be opening. But rather than giving families and schools time to prepare, they're running around like headless chickens, changing policy at the last minute. Fucking clueless wankers.
I cannot see it being realistic for schools to be going back this month, anywhere. It's spreading everywhere.
One one hand, better to take the decision now rather than Monday.
On the other, my abiding memory of March is that we were scrabbling down a landslide, hoping that each measure would be sufficient to regain control and then finding it wasn't.
That sense hasn't really gone away, but it's getting more intense again.
We are absolutely there. Ths is March all over again.
The correct time to have locked everything down was a month ago but the next best time is right the fuck now.
Hell, we've been playing catchup since September. And I can't shake of the nagging doubt that, had the case levels been lower in the autumn, the odds of Supercovid not mutating into existence would have been a lot lower.
In November Biden got 49.47% in Georgia and Trump got 49.24% so where the 1.24% who went Libertarian go will be decisive
Maybe. OR maybe not. My own guess is that how TURNOUT balances out viz-a-viz Dems v Reps.
Note that in US elections, votes for 3rd parties and independents are frequently "non of the above" votes.
Indeed, number of years ago yours truly did a study of 3rd & indy voting in WA State legislative races (in general elections under the old "blanket primary" system). And concluded that, even in close races, the non-D/R vote was NOT determinative UNLESS and UNTIL it reached threshold of about 5%.
At that point, a Lib would REALLY start to hurt a GOP contender.
I must fess up that I didn't expect a full on second wave either, more that we would have a long bumpy tail through the autumn.
It does look like the original SAGE advice in March was accurate. The second wave would be considerably bigger than the first. It does look too that the high mortality rates forecast before the November lockdown weren’t far off either.
Spanish Flu - second wave worse than the first. Lessons from history.
I was thinking the same - the second wave then was far worse. Although wasn’t this due to the virus mutating into a form more likely to infect older people?
In just the last week the number of new UK infections has exceeded 1/4 million - yet the restrictions in place are lighter than those of last April. It is hard to see this lasting; surely more u-turns are incoming?
Imperial report on Cockney Covid say November lockdown restrictions aren't even enough against this.new variant.
It’s only going to take a few more days of case numbers continuing their upward trajectory, before there’s no choice but to go back to where we were in March - everyone go home and stay home. If I were in the UK, I’d be filling up the freezer this weekend.
I must fess up that I didn't expect a full on second wave either, more that we would have a long bumpy tail through the autumn.
It does look like the original SAGE advice in March was accurate. The second wave would be considerably bigger than the first. It does look too that the high mortality rates forecast before the November lockdown weren’t far off either.
Spanish Flu - second wave worse than the first. Lessons from history.
I was thinking the same - the second wave then was far worse. Although wasn’t this due to the virus mutating into a form more likely to infect older people?
In just the last week the number of new UK infections has exceeded 1/4 million - yet the restrictions in place are lighter than those of last April. It is hard to see this lasting; surely more u-turns are incoming?
Imperial report on Cockney Covid say November lockdown restrictions aren't even enough against this.new variant.
It’s only going to take a few more days of case numbers continuing their upward trajectory, before there’s no choice but to go back to where we were in March - everyone go home and stay home. If I were in the UK, I’d be filling up the freezer this weekend.
Is “Teachers’ Union Boss doesn’t like Education Secretary” really ever news?
This is worse. To take the teaching analogy;
The very best Ed Secs, like the very best teachers, are both ruthlessly efficient and able to exude bonhomie. You can get away with almost anything them. Ken Clarke or Alan Johnson, say.
You can do pretty well in both fields without the bonhomie as long as you are ruthlessly efficient. Michael Gove or Ed Balls.
You can also just about do OK without the ruthless efficiency as long as you can get enough goodwill. Estelle Morris, for example.
When you are both despised for being rubbish at your job and hated for being an awful person, you're stuffed. Which is where Gavster finds himself.
Surely there has to be a reshuffle now and he has to go. I think you can make a case for Priti but Williamson is just a very unfunny joke.
I must fess up that I didn't expect a full on second wave either, more that we would have a long bumpy tail through the autumn.
It does look like the original SAGE advice in March was accurate. The second wave would be considerably bigger than the first. It does look too that the high mortality rates forecast before the November lockdown weren’t far off either.
If we had closed the borders and no reseeded it with all those summer holidays bringing the Spanish variant we might have seen a bit of a bumpy winter rather than a clusterf##k.
Yes, the future is always subject to changing by our actions.
Either that or we are predestined to be idiots.
Look at total deaths in the four UK countries.
You can misdiagnose flu or pneumonia accidentally or deliberately as COVID. You can also if careless label deaths with COVID as deaths of COVID. Short of criminal conspiracy, you can't get total deaths wrong. For England they're not far off other 'bad winters' like ... er ... 2017-18.
I don't spend much time on PB now. Except for the 4-5 users who can see right through it, you seem happy to lap up any old rubbish from 10 Downing Street. Be sceptical of these incompetent bastards, many of them with obvious hidden agendas ... and that's just SAGE/NERVTAG.
Ask if the PCR tests were carried out with Ct=30 or 35-4. The latter range certainly 40 or 45 renders the results pretty worthless.
Ask why LF tests on university students showed a very low rate of infection, ~0.25%. Ask why the stranded lorry drivers in Kent were given a LF test, resulting in only 36 positives out of 15,500, again ~0.25%. Result = happiness, because most of them could leave immediately for France. Similarly in hospitals which have changed to mostly LF testing for staff and have seen a reduction in numbers 'off sick'.
We'll be in tiers 3-4 in summer unless enough people see what's going on. Anyone want some bets on that?
England has now overtaken Wales in the 7-day average of reported cases (using Wales 7-day average up to yesterday as they didn't report today). Cases also shooting up in Scotland and Northern Ireland, so Wales actually is the one bright spot at the moment with falling numbers.
Is that cos Drakeford is useless? Or where are we now?
Is “Teachers’ Union Boss doesn’t like Education Secretary” really ever news?
This is worse. To take the teaching analogy;
The very best Ed Secs, like the very best teachers, are both ruthlessly efficient and able to exude bonhomie. You can get away with almost anything them. Ken Clarke or Alan Johnson, say.
You can do pretty well in both fields without the bonhomie as long as you are ruthlessly efficient. Michael Gove or Ed Balls.
You can also just about do OK without the ruthless efficiency as long as you can get enough goodwill. Estelle Morris, for example.
When you are both despised for being rubbish at your job and hated for being an awful person, you're stuffed. Which is where Gavster finds himself.
Surely there has to be a reshuffle now and he has to go. I think you can make a case for Priti but Williamson is just a very unfunny joke.
Would be good if he got no other job as a replacement, but Boris could always send him back to the whps if he must.
I must fess up that I didn't expect a full on second wave either, more that we would have a long bumpy tail through the autumn.
It does look like the original SAGE advice in March was accurate. The second wave would be considerably bigger than the first. It does look too that the high mortality rates forecast before the November lockdown weren’t far off either.
Spanish Flu - second wave worse than the first. Lessons from history.
I was thinking the same - the second wave then was far worse. Although wasn’t this due to the virus mutating into a form more likely to infect older people?
In just the last week the number of new UK infections has exceeded 1/4 million - yet the restrictions in place are lighter than those of last April. It is hard to see this lasting; surely more u-turns are incoming?
Imperial report on Cockney Covid say November lockdown restrictions aren't even enough against this.new variant.
It’s only going to take a few more days of case numbers continuing their upward trajectory, before there’s no choice but to go back to where we were in March - everyone go home and stay home. If I were in the UK, I’d be filling up the freezer this weekend.
I must fess up that I didn't expect a full on second wave either, more that we would have a long bumpy tail through the autumn.
It does look like the original SAGE advice in March was accurate. The second wave would be considerably bigger than the first. It does look too that the high mortality rates forecast before the November lockdown weren’t far off either.
Spanish Flu - second wave worse than the first. Lessons from history.
I was thinking the same - the second wave then was far worse. Although wasn’t this due to the virus mutating into a form more likely to infect older people?
In just the last week the number of new UK infections has exceeded 1/4 million - yet the restrictions in place are lighter than those of last April. It is hard to see this lasting; surely more u-turns are incoming?
Imperial report on Cockney Covid say November lockdown restrictions aren't even enough against this.new variant.
It’s only going to take a few more days of case numbers continuing their upward trajectory, before there’s no choice but to go back to where we were in March - everyone go home and stay home. If I were in the UK, I’d be filling up the freezer this weekend.
Sadly mine is full of dog food.
I know some people go on some crazy diets for the new year, but never heard of that one.
I must fess up that I didn't expect a full on second wave either, more that we would have a long bumpy tail through the autumn.
It does look like the original SAGE advice in March was accurate. The second wave would be considerably bigger than the first. It does look too that the high mortality rates forecast before the November lockdown weren’t far off either.
If we had closed the borders and no reseeded it with all those summer holidays bringing the Spanish variant we might have seen a bit of a bumpy winter rather than a clusterf##k.
Yes, the future is always subject to changing by our actions.
Either that or we are predestined to be idiots.
Look at total deaths in the four UK countries.
You can misdiagnose flu or pneumonia accidentally or deliberately as COVID. You can also if careless label deaths with COVID as deaths of COVID. Short of criminal conspiracy, you can't get total deaths wrong. For England they're not far off other 'bad winters' like ... er ... 2017-18.
I don't spend much time on PB now. Except for the 4-5 users who can see right through it, you seem happy to lap up any old rubbish from 10 Downing Street. Be sceptical of these incompetent bastards, many of them with obvious hidden agendas ... and that's just SAGE/NERVTAG.
Ask if the PCR tests were carried out with Ct=30 or 35-4. The latter range certainly 40 or 45 renders the results pretty worthless.
Ask why LF tests on university students showed a very low rate of infection, ~0.25%. Ask why the stranded lorry drivers in Kent were given a LF test, resulting in only 36 positives out of 15,500, again ~0.25%. Result = happiness, because most of them could leave immediately for France. Similarly in hospitals which have changed to mostly LF testing for staff and have seen a reduction in numbers 'off sick'.
We'll be in tiers 3-4 in summer unless enough people see what's going on. Anyone want some bets on that?
This is simply untrue. Total excess deaths for the year are ending up at around 70,000 compared to the previous 5 year average. That is about 13% up. You are one of the dangerous idiots spreading lies and getting people killed for it. If that is all you have to do on here then it is a bloody good job you don't post much any more.
I must fess up that I didn't expect a full on second wave either, more that we would have a long bumpy tail through the autumn.
It does look like the original SAGE advice in March was accurate. The second wave would be considerably bigger than the first. It does look too that the high mortality rates forecast before the November lockdown weren’t far off either.
Spanish Flu - second wave worse than the first. Lessons from history.
I was thinking the same - the second wave then was far worse. Although wasn’t this due to the virus mutating into a form more likely to infect older people?
In just the last week the number of new UK infections has exceeded 1/4 million - yet the restrictions in place are lighter than those of last April. It is hard to see this lasting; surely more u-turns are incoming?
Imperial report on Cockney Covid say November lockdown restrictions aren't even enough against this.new variant.
It’s only going to take a few more days of case numbers continuing their upward trajectory, before there’s no choice but to go back to where we were in March - everyone go home and stay home. If I were in the UK, I’d be filling up the freezer this weekend.
Sadly mine is full of dog food.
Can he use the microwave? Otherwise I see a problem further down the road.
Is “Teachers’ Union Boss doesn’t like Education Secretary” really ever news?
This is worse. To take the teaching analogy;
The very best Ed Secs, like the very best teachers, are both ruthlessly efficient and able to exude bonhomie. You can get away with almost anything them. Ken Clarke or Alan Johnson, say.
You can do pretty well in both fields without the bonhomie as long as you are ruthlessly efficient. Michael Gove or Ed Balls.
You can also just about do OK without the ruthless efficiency as long as you can get enough goodwill. Estelle Morris, for example.
When you are both despised for being rubbish at your job and hated for being an awful person, you're stuffed. Which is where Gavster finds himself.
Surely there has to be a reshuffle now and he has to go. I think you can make a case for Priti but Williamson is just a very unfunny joke.
Would be good if he got no other job as a replacement, but Boris could always send him back to the whps if he must.
Only department he is any good for.
Given Supercovid I can't understand schools going back in January. Schools should go back ASAP but not Monday, but we should gear the entire nation for vaccinations for a few weeks.
England has now overtaken Wales in the 7-day average of reported cases (using Wales 7-day average up to yesterday as they didn't report today). Cases also shooting up in Scotland and Northern Ireland, so Wales actually is the one bright spot at the moment with falling numbers.
Is that cos Drakeford is useless? Or where are we now?
I don't believe ANY data has been reported today by Public Health Wales. Last update was NYE.
I guess there are two possibilities
(i) Significant problems in the assembling & reporting of COVID testing & cases, something to which Public Health Wales is not unaccustomed,
I must fess up that I didn't expect a full on second wave either, more that we would have a long bumpy tail through the autumn.
It does look like the original SAGE advice in March was accurate. The second wave would be considerably bigger than the first. It does look too that the high mortality rates forecast before the November lockdown weren’t far off either.
If we had closed the borders and no reseeded it with all those summer holidays bringing the Spanish variant we might have seen a bit of a bumpy winter rather than a clusterf##k.
Yes, the future is always subject to changing by our actions.
Either that or we are predestined to be idiots.
Look at total deaths in the four UK countries.
You can misdiagnose flu or pneumonia accidentally or deliberately as COVID. You can also if careless label deaths with COVID as deaths of COVID. Short of criminal conspiracy, you can't get total deaths wrong. For England they're not far off other 'bad winters' like ... er ... 2017-18.
I don't spend much time on PB now. Except for the 4-5 users who can see right through it, you seem happy to lap up any old rubbish from 10 Downing Street. Be sceptical of these incompetent bastards, many of them with obvious hidden agendas ... and that's just SAGE/NERVTAG.
Ask if the PCR tests were carried out with Ct=30 or 35-4. The latter range certainly 40 or 45 renders the results pretty worthless.
Ask why LF tests on university students showed a very low rate of infection, ~0.25%. Ask why the stranded lorry drivers in Kent were given a LF test, resulting in only 36 positives out of 15,500, again ~0.25%. Result = happiness, because most of them could leave immediately for France. Similarly in hospitals which have changed to mostly LF testing for staff and have seen a reduction in numbers 'off sick'.
We'll be in tiers 3-4 in summer unless enough people see what's going on. Anyone want some bets on that?
Why?
Seriously, why?
You are insisting that it’s all made up, all a conspiracy - and not just here, but in Germany. Sweden. France. Italy. Israel. India. Canada. The US. Australia. New Zealand. Taiwan. Japan. South Korea. Russia. Poland. Slovakia. The Czech Republic. Greece. Portugal. Spain. Austria. Norway. Argentina. Venezuala. World-wide.
But you’ve seen through it (with graphs that (checks) literally say the opposite of your point. With all the evidence piled up and up and up, it’s all made up, or irrelevant, or can be defined away.
At some point, surely even you have to start questioning your position.
Does the conspiracy have a name? The International Conspiracy of Irresistible Authoritarian Scientists, perhaps? It doesn’t roll off the tongue.
Could you tell us more about how it’s organised? It’s marvellously effective, given all the disparate governments it’s managed to bring under its sway. Is there an Inner Circle, or something? Do we know their long-term aims, or do they just like having people stay at home?
I must fess up that I didn't expect a full on second wave either, more that we would have a long bumpy tail through the autumn.
It does look like the original SAGE advice in March was accurate. The second wave would be considerably bigger than the first. It does look too that the high mortality rates forecast before the November lockdown weren’t far off either.
If we had closed the borders and no reseeded it with all those summer holidays bringing the Spanish variant we might have seen a bit of a bumpy winter rather than a clusterf##k.
Yes, the future is always subject to changing by our actions.
Either that or we are predestined to be idiots.
Look at total deaths in the four UK countries.
You can misdiagnose flu or pneumonia accidentally or deliberately as COVID. You can also if careless label deaths with COVID as deaths of COVID. Short of criminal conspiracy, you can't get total deaths wrong. For England they're not far off other 'bad winters' like ... er ... 2017-18.
I don't spend much time on PB now. Except for the 4-5 users who can see right through it, you seem happy to lap up any old rubbish from 10 Downing Street. Be sceptical of these incompetent bastards, many of them with obvious hidden agendas ... and that's just SAGE/NERVTAG.
Ask if the PCR tests were carried out with Ct=30 or 35-4. The latter range certainly 40 or 45 renders the results pretty worthless.
Ask why LF tests on university students showed a very low rate of infection, ~0.25%. Ask why the stranded lorry drivers in Kent were given a LF test, resulting in only 36 positives out of 15,500, again ~0.25%. Result = happiness, because most of them could leave immediately for France. Similarly in hospitals which have changed to mostly LF testing for staff and have seen a reduction in numbers 'off sick'.
We'll be in tiers 3-4 in summer unless enough people see what's going on. Anyone want some bets on that?
Why?
Seriously, why?
You are insisting that it’s all made up, all a conspiracy - and not just here, but in Germany. Sweden. France. Italy. Israel. India. Canada. The US. Australia. New Zealand. Taiwan. Japan. South Korea. Russia. Poland. Slovakia. The Czech Republic. Greece. Portugal. Spain. Austria. Norway. Argentina. Venezuala. World-wide.
But you’ve seen through it (with graphs that (checks) literally say the opposite of your point. With all the evidence piled up and up and up, it’s all made up, or irrelevant, or can be defined away.
At some point, surely even you have to start questioning your position.
Does the conspiracy have a name? The International Conspiracy of Irresistible Authoritarian Scientists, perhaps? It doesn’t roll off the tongue.
Could you tell us more about how it’s organised? It’s marvellously effective, given all the disparate governments it’s managed to bring under its sway. Is there an Inner Circle, or something? Do we know their long-term aims, or do they just like having people stay at home?
Let's face it, if our governments were half as competent as they would need to be to run a conspiracy like this we wouldn't be in this mess.
“Almost three times as many under 60s died in road crashes last year as those without health conditions killed by coronavirus, NHS data shows."
For under-20s, it's more akin to the chances of being killed by lighting. Quick, we need new precautions to stop lighting strikes.
Great, so we’re just going to throw the under 60s /with/ underlying conditions under the nearest coronavirus-laden bus then? I’ll be sure my friends with congenital diabetes & asthma will be delighted to hear that the Telegraph doesn’t believe their lives are worth protecting, so long as the true-blooded Aryan youth of the nation survive.
The Telegraph really has gone mask-off fascist, hasn’t it?
I must fess up that I didn't expect a full on second wave either, more that we would have a long bumpy tail through the autumn.
It does look like the original SAGE advice in March was accurate. The second wave would be considerably bigger than the first. It does look too that the high mortality rates forecast before the November lockdown weren’t far off either.
If we had closed the borders and no reseeded it with all those summer holidays bringing the Spanish variant we might have seen a bit of a bumpy winter rather than a clusterf##k.
Yes, the future is always subject to changing by our actions.
Either that or we are predestined to be idiots.
Look at total deaths in the four UK countries.
You can misdiagnose flu or pneumonia accidentally or deliberately as COVID. You can also if careless label deaths with COVID as deaths of COVID. Short of criminal conspiracy, you can't get total deaths wrong. For England they're not far off other 'bad winters' like ... er ... 2017-18.
I don't spend much time on PB now. Except for the 4-5 users who can see right through it, you seem happy to lap up any old rubbish from 10 Downing Street. Be sceptical of these incompetent bastards, many of them with obvious hidden agendas ... and that's just SAGE/NERVTAG.
Ask if the PCR tests were carried out with Ct=30 or 35-4. The latter range certainly 40 or 45 renders the results pretty worthless.
Ask why LF tests on university students showed a very low rate of infection, ~0.25%. Ask why the stranded lorry drivers in Kent were given a LF test, resulting in only 36 positives out of 15,500, again ~0.25%. Result = happiness, because most of them could leave immediately for France. Similarly in hospitals which have changed to mostly LF testing for staff and have seen a reduction in numbers 'off sick'.
We'll be in tiers 3-4 in summer unless enough people see what's going on. Anyone want some bets on that?
Why?
Seriously, why?
Could have left it at that. The rest is also relevant for undermining the conspiracy (not least why all those different world governments, many of whom despise one another, are cooperating on this, so it is not No.10), but it falls down at this very basic point.
I must fess up that I didn't expect a full on second wave either, more that we would have a long bumpy tail through the autumn.
It does look like the original SAGE advice in March was accurate. The second wave would be considerably bigger than the first. It does look too that the high mortality rates forecast before the November lockdown weren’t far off either.
Spanish Flu - second wave worse than the first. Lessons from history.
I was thinking the same - the second wave then was far worse. Although wasn’t this due to the virus mutating into a form more likely to infect older people?
In just the last week the number of new UK infections has exceeded 1/4 million - yet the restrictions in place are lighter than those of last April. It is hard to see this lasting; surely more u-turns are incoming?
Imperial report on Cockney Covid say November lockdown restrictions aren't even enough against this.new variant.
It’s only going to take a few more days of case numbers continuing their upward trajectory, before there’s no choice but to go back to where we were in March - everyone go home and stay home. If I were in the UK, I’d be filling up the freezer this weekend.
Trouble is that another lockdown will reinforce the sceptics' mantra that lockdowns have not worked.
I must fess up that I didn't expect a full on second wave either, more that we would have a long bumpy tail through the autumn.
It does look like the original SAGE advice in March was accurate. The second wave would be considerably bigger than the first. It does look too that the high mortality rates forecast before the November lockdown weren’t far off either.
If we had closed the borders and no reseeded it with all those summer holidays bringing the Spanish variant we might have seen a bit of a bumpy winter rather than a clusterf##k.
Yes, the future is always subject to changing by our actions.
Either that or we are predestined to be idiots.
Look at total deaths in the four UK countries.
You can misdiagnose flu or pneumonia accidentally or deliberately as COVID. You can also if careless label deaths with COVID as deaths of COVID. Short of criminal conspiracy, you can't get total deaths wrong. For England they're not far off other 'bad winters' like ... er ... 2017-18.
I don't spend much time on PB now. Except for the 4-5 users who can see right through it, you seem happy to lap up any old rubbish from 10 Downing Street. Be sceptical of these incompetent bastards, many of them with obvious hidden agendas ... and that's just SAGE/NERVTAG.
Ask if the PCR tests were carried out with Ct=30 or 35-4. The latter range certainly 40 or 45 renders the results pretty worthless.
Ask why LF tests on university students showed a very low rate of infection, ~0.25%. Ask why the stranded lorry drivers in Kent were given a LF test, resulting in only 36 positives out of 15,500, again ~0.25%. Result = happiness, because most of them could leave immediately for France. Similarly in hospitals which have changed to mostly LF testing for staff and have seen a reduction in numbers 'off sick'.
We'll be in tiers 3-4 in summer unless enough people see what's going on. Anyone want some bets on that?
Why?
Seriously, why?
You are insisting that it’s all made up, all a conspiracy - and not just here, but in Germany. Sweden. France. Italy. Israel. India. Canada. The US. Australia. New Zealand. Taiwan. Japan. South Korea. Russia. Poland. Slovakia. The Czech Republic. Greece. Portugal. Spain. Austria. Norway. Argentina. Venezuala. World-wide.
But you’ve seen through it (with graphs that (checks) literally say the opposite of your point. With all the evidence piled up and up and up, it’s all made up, or irrelevant, or can be defined away.
At some point, surely even you have to start questioning your position.
Does the conspiracy have a name? The International Conspiracy of Irresistible Authoritarian Scientists, perhaps? It doesn’t roll off the tongue.
Could you tell us more about how it’s organised? It’s marvellously effective, given all the disparate governments it’s managed to bring under its sway. Is there an Inner Circle, or something? Do we know their long-term aims, or do they just like having people stay at home?
This reminds me of ultra-republicans in Northern Ireland
In their world, everything bad for The Cause was brilliantly engineered by the Securocrats - So every time the IRA set off a bomb that sickened people with civilian causalities it was a Securocrat Plot. If they tripped over a paving stone, Securocrats.
I once asked one such, that given the apparent genius of The Securocrats, surely they were the best possible rulers of Northern Ireland? If they could perfectly manipulate everyone all the time, what was the point in opposing them? Surely it would be better just to ask them to create 25% per annum economic growth, which would obviously be in their gift?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPqqZtGbODs&feature=emb_logo
The CRB became the DBS.
I express my idiocy in other ways.
(Thinks about putting a fiver on Bailey).
I have no desire to return to living in London. The idiot quota will have to make do without me.
Lead the UK, don’t leave it, as the empty appeal went.
Elected officials have indulged him enough and made enough gestures about how much they love Trump, I hope they don't try any futher needless gestures.
Odds for today's big match.
Man Utd 1.76 / 1.77
Aston Villa 5.1 / 5.2
Draw 4.1 / 4.2
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/football/english-premier-league/man-utd-v-aston-villa-betting-30200055
British “influencer”-type arrested with her boyfriend in Barbados, after he tested positive on arrival and they tried to jump the mandatory quarantine and get on a flight out - HAVING TESTED POSITIVE!
Thankfully it appears Barbados takes rather a tough line on such behaviour.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9104757/Zara-Holland-faces-year-prison-18-000-fine-Covid-breach.html
#nodealNicola
Don’t worry; a good quota of London’s idiots are probably staying down your way right now, anyway.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9104299/Macron-says-Brexit-product-lies-false-promises.html
Outrage as president Macron says Brexit is the product of 'lies and false promises'
It does look like the original SAGE advice in March was accurate. The second wave would be considerably bigger than the first. It does look too that the high mortality rates forecast before the November lockdown weren’t far off either.
Seeing a few of these idiots behind bars in far-flung destinations would certainly be a great start to the new year!
The correct time to have locked everything down was a month ago but the next best time is right the fuck now.
"Covid - this is the welcome awaiting you in Barbados".
That's he's so useless he is losing the support of Conservatives seems more relevant.
"Klingklang, Small town in Suffolk, United Kingdom
There is a 6 minute video posted yesterday on Brand New Tube. A fellow went around Croydon hospital with his camera hidden. The whole place was deserted. The a & e which would normally be bursting had about 10 people in the waiting room. The a & e treatment area was empty. This is a crime against humanity as others who need cancer surgery etc are left to waste away. Those who need a & e have been purposely scared to not go. We are being lied to and most of the population believes the force fed lies."
Either that or we are predestined to be idiots.
Or why they all powerful state allows you to visit, just not with an open camera, to reveal its lies?
The BBC too; saw some Yoonster on Twitter claiming quite seriously that ‘total babe’ Jackie Bird had been forced off the BBC Hogmanay stuff by the awful SNP.
The One World Government wants native white folk to die so they can be replaced by darkies/immigrants/Muslims.
These conspiracy theories are terribly complicated.
In just the last week the number of new UK infections has exceeded 1/4 million - yet the restrictions in place are lighter than those of last April. It is hard to see this lasting; surely more u-turns are incoming?
I'm waiting for Bozo to claim that the whole of England in Tier 4 except for the Scilly Isles does not constitute a National Lockdown.
Ireland finds stack of new cases. Fastest rate of deterioration in EU.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/21/farage-under-fire-for-conspiracy-claims-linked-to-antisemitism
The very best Ed Secs, like the very best teachers, are both ruthlessly efficient and able to exude bonhomie. You can get away with almost anything them. Ken Clarke or Alan Johnson, say.
You can do pretty well in both fields without the bonhomie as long as you are ruthlessly efficient. Michael Gove or Ed Balls.
You can also just about do OK without the ruthless efficiency as long as you can get enough goodwill. Estelle Morris, for example.
When you are both despised for being rubbish at your job and hated for being an awful person, you're stuffed. Which is where Gavster finds himself.
Hence (differential) turnout is almost always the BIGGEST hurdle that Democratic runoff candidates must surmount - the GA GOP's killer app.
HOWEVER, this clambake MAY be different, thanks to surge of support for Democrats by SUBURBAN voters, as demonstrated by Biden's presidential victory AND the fact that the US Senate races BOTH ended up in runoffs.
If you keep tickling the dragon's tail...
Note that in US elections, votes for 3rd parties and independents are frequently "non of the above" votes.
Indeed, number of years ago yours truly did a study of 3rd & indy voting in WA State legislative races (in general elections under the old "blanket primary" system). And concluded that, even in close races, the non-D/R vote was NOT determinative UNLESS and UNTIL it reached threshold of about 5%.
At that point, a Lib would REALLY start to hurt a GOP contender.
You can misdiagnose flu or pneumonia accidentally or deliberately as COVID. You can also if careless label deaths with COVID as deaths of COVID. Short of criminal conspiracy, you can't get total deaths wrong. For England they're not far off other 'bad winters' like ... er ... 2017-18.
3rd or 2nd chart from the bottom on https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
I don't spend much time on PB now. Except for the 4-5 users who can see right through it, you seem happy to lap up any old rubbish from 10 Downing Street. Be sceptical of these incompetent bastards, many of them with obvious hidden agendas ... and that's just SAGE/NERVTAG.
Ask if the PCR tests were carried out with Ct=30 or 35-4. The latter range certainly 40 or 45 renders the results pretty worthless.
Ask why LF tests on university students showed a very low rate of infection, ~0.25%. Ask why the stranded lorry drivers in Kent were given a LF test, resulting in only 36 positives out of 15,500, again ~0.25%. Result = happiness, because most of them could leave immediately for France. Similarly in hospitals which have changed to mostly LF testing for staff and have seen a reduction in numbers 'off sick'.
We'll be in tiers 3-4 in summer unless enough people see what's going on. Anyone want some bets on that?
Or where are we now?
Given Supercovid I can't understand schools going back in January. Schools should go back ASAP but not Monday, but we should gear the entire nation for vaccinations for a few weeks.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/28/60s-died-roads-last-year-no-underlying-conditions-coronavirus/
Behind paywall but includes this
“Almost three times as many under 60s died in road crashes last year as those without health conditions killed by coronavirus, NHS data shows."
For under-20s, it's more akin to the chances of being killed by lighting. Quick, we need new precautions to stop lighting strikes.
I guess there are two possibilities
(i) Significant problems in the assembling & reporting of COVID testing & cases, something to which Public Health Wales is not unaccustomed,
(ii) St Mark has eradicated COVID from Wales.
Seriously, why?
You are insisting that it’s all made up, all a conspiracy - and not just here, but in Germany. Sweden. France. Italy. Israel. India. Canada. The US. Australia. New Zealand. Taiwan. Japan. South Korea. Russia. Poland. Slovakia. The Czech Republic. Greece. Portugal. Spain. Austria. Norway. Argentina. Venezuala. World-wide.
But you’ve seen through it (with graphs that (checks) literally say the opposite of your point. With all the evidence piled up and up and up, it’s all made up, or irrelevant, or can be defined away.
At some point, surely even you have to start questioning your position.
Does the conspiracy have a name? The International Conspiracy of Irresistible Authoritarian Scientists, perhaps? It doesn’t roll off the tongue.
Could you tell us more about how it’s organised? It’s marvellously effective, given all the disparate governments it’s managed to bring under its sway. Is there an Inner Circle, or something? Do we know their long-term aims, or do they just like having people stay at home?
The Telegraph really has gone mask-off fascist, hasn’t it?
https://twitter.com/VictimOfMaths/status/1344371642361925632?s=19
In their world, everything bad for The Cause was brilliantly engineered by the Securocrats - So every time the IRA set off a bomb that sickened people with civilian causalities it was a Securocrat Plot. If they tripped over a paving stone, Securocrats.
I once asked one such, that given the apparent genius of The Securocrats, surely they were the best possible rulers of Northern Ireland? If they could perfectly manipulate everyone all the time, what was the point in opposing them? Surely it would be better just to ask them to create 25% per annum economic growth, which would obviously be in their gift?