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On the Smarkets exchange it’s a 14% chance that Trump will still be in the White House after January
On the Smarkets exchange it’s a 14% chance that Trump will still be in the White House after January 20th – politicalbetting.com
The political story that most dominates my thinking at the moment is what is going on in the US and whether Trump will actually leave the White House quietly as the US constitution requires at noon Washington time on January 20th.
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We will get through our priority list before the EU does the same. Quibbling over pennies per dose but getting your doses months later is a very false economy when you look at the cost of Covid in both lives and damage to the economy.
Plus malcolm's numbers didn't come with a source and don't match what anyone else is saying. Everyone else is reporting we're paying a bit more but getting the vaccines month's sooner - paying a bit more but getting it sooner is fantastic value for money in the grand scheme of things.
Word from him was that this new mutation is bastard contagious....
If he tried martial law I’m pretty sure the first and only thing that would happen is his own security detail would shoot him.
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The British have vaccinated 500k people already. The EU haven't vaccinated anyone.
The EU offered the UK to join its buying consortium, but the UK turned them down and got the vaccines first. This is the team negotiating Brexit terms of trade.
How many doses have we got ahead of EU?
Why couldnt we have done both?
They have ordered 200m doses BTW so bound to be cheaper
https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-reach-agreement-supply-eu-200-million
Brrrrr
If it was true we might be in for a huge world of hurt.
By "we" I mean all nations as no way this can be contained to one country
Up to this point, many countries have taken an approach of risk balancing i.e. they still allow travel from the UK, some with isolation or testing, to try and balance against the loss to commerce. Not with this announcement, it is literally door closed.
They're cheaper because they're further down the queue than we are. They're not getting a bigger discount because of 200m doses, they're getting a bigger discount because they're not first. If you pay to be first in the queue then you pay a premium for that - a premium that in the grand scheme of things is fantastic value for money.
Thanks for your concern.
When will Dan just accept the Government is shit and full of pathological liars?
He said people in store at 3am but never really rammed - no shortages.
He did note though couples were going round with a full trolley EACH.
Thats one way to empty shelves.....
Of all the things that anyone can claim is a negative consequence of Brexit - the UK turning down the EU's vaccine procurement scheme is self-evidently not a good one. I don't know what malcolmg was thinking in writing that. One too many turnips for breakfast this morning.
Hi ho, hi ho, its off to WTO we go . . .
https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1341322592855023619?s=20
Ours are more expensive because we dont have the economies of scale of ordering 200m I thought you understood Capitalism
They are due to get more doses than us by 31/12/20 according to press yesterday
How many doses have the "first in the queue" had so far?
How come others who werent first in the queue already have more doses than us? ie USA
You do realise this is a taster of things to come under BREXIT surely we have sacrificed buying power for sovereignty. Which I am fine with and voted for but you seem unable to accept.
The country's vital services are going to be run by doctors, nurses and sundry vaxxed nonagenarians....
I've been taking a break from PB for this reason – I see I was right to do so.
We've already vaccinated 500k and will likely be at least a million by the end of the year. Are you seriously saying they will get 5 million vaccinated (you have to scaled up) by 31/12/20 by then?
As for the USA we have 3x the amount they have vaccinated per capita. Last stat I saw was they were 0.17 per thousand and we were 0.51 per thousand.
I have to say the whole EU vaccine scheme looks to me like one of those "how not to do something" examples that opponents of the EU will use in the future. Between Pfizer, Moderna, AZ and J&J the UK is probably second best placed in the world wrt vaccines after Japan.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-biontech-idUSKBN28V2M3
"The vaccine contains >1270 amino acids, & only 9 of them changed."
The vaccine induces multiple antibodies to the spike protein, so it seems unlikely that the mutation will evade more than a portion of them.
We should have answers within a couple of weeks.
EU has an order to get 200m by April. Same issues apply presumably
The only obstacle might be the anti-vaxxers
This isn’t just a Yankee problem. Reportedly, over 50% of French people say they will refuse the jab
Plus the USA has a 100% exclusivity deal with Moderna until after we will have finished with Pfizer already. Joining the EU scheme wouldn't have changed that.
The question to answer is whether the EU's 200 million will all be received before the UK's 40 million are all received? If so then the EU have done better, if not the UK have done better.
Even the last few series of Top Gear (before they left the BBC) had gone downhill to be honest.
PB is at its very worst at the moment – given that there is no such thing as a closed network, people on this forum should take more responsibility for what they write.
Sean – I am looking at you (but you are not the only one).
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/26/politics/trump-leave-office-electoral-college/index.html
When we were having a huge family gathering....
Anti-Londoners of PB are rejoicing at such news!
Whether Trump leaves voluntarily or via Secret Service escort, he will be out by 1159 EST on 20 January, which has been the case since 270 was called for Biden many, many weeks ago.
The rest is just ludicrous fluff – PBers luxuriating in pathetic fantasies.
The other Presidents since World War 2 who entered office without their party in full control of Congress, Nixon, Ford, Reagan and Bush Snr were all Republicans
malcolmg said:
The UK is paying $37 per dose of the Moderna vaccine. The EU is paying $18 per dose. Both buyers ordered 40m doses. The EU offered the UK to join its buying consortium, but the UK turned them down. This is the team negotiating Brexit terms of trade.
Malc stick to Scotland, facts aren't your strength.
Har Har, Max, Your lack of self awareness, given the mince you post, is spectacular
Because he can't be negative. It's genuinely a problem almost uniquely applicable to him, that is why he is the worst PM for this crisis.
However, despite the Grand Tour is poor on the whole, did still manage to retain the odd really good episode (or segment). But its done for now.
I notice they have this YouTube DriveTribe / FoodTribe thing. That seems more return to old old school Top Gear, as in more proper car reviews, mixed with some sillyness.
About 5% of the population is a genius at languages; maybe 10% just don't have the way of thinking. For the other 85%, it's a case of application and exposure and you will get to a decent standard.
Move on!
How to Speak During Coronavirus...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVQ29tfOvl8&feature=youtu.be
Had we pooled our 40m (which had already from memory been purchased before the EU scheme was up and running) then we would have to pool that with the EU scheme - and we'd have ended up with 1/6th of the doses as a result (40/240).
We are better off with 100% of what we've ordered than 1/6th of the combined total.
The EU Contracted with Pfizer for 200m on 11/11/20 and a further 100m option
Wfere are you getting your delivery schedules?
https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/coronavirus/uk-to-have-14m-doses-of-covid-vaccines-ready-by-end-of-year/
https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-reach-agreement-supply-eu-200-million
https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-response/public-health/coronavirus-vaccines-strategy_en
Was Johnson hurt by a bridge as a child?
‘It’s unlikely that the vaccines won’t work but it is possible that they won’t work quite so well‘
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/foreign-experts-scoff-at-british-response-to-mutant-virus-kbw2kwpcm
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1341329718478565376?s=20
Why? Well once we get to the point of the aliens fixing the election for Biden the lizard man it may eventually bring a significant number of the GOP to their senses and ensure this never happens again.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/55410695
Given we know just how much the virus can shut down an economy and also the fact that we are world beating* at the r&d part, why doesn't the Gov't announce a few glass vial manufacturing plants to be built on shore.
There's a global shortage.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-vaccine-glass-vial-shortage-could-delay-global-rollout-2020-5?r=US&IR=T
Spare capacity could and would be snapped up by other countries. We have the expertise in this country to build the plants. To make the vials. It's one of the most obvious good uses of potential gov't spend I've seen in my life. It could be run at a profit to UK plc.
* Yes on this one we really are