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  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Still to get round to the outstanding senate bets.

    JFK, I just realised that the Arizona bet is still outstanding despite Kelly being seated!
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,125
    kle4 said:

    AG Bill Barr has resigned.

    I really find it hard to conceive quite why Barr has now found the line where he cannot support Trump.

    Though I suppose really him going was inevitable:

    Attorney General Bill Barr has reportedly compared Donald Trump's attacks on him as a “deposed king ranting" after the president apparently raised the possibility of firing him.


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/bill-barr-trump-election-biden-b1772174.html

    I guess Barr was willing to do and say pretty much anything, so long as you actually manage to win the election first.
    Surely just a bit of attention seeking behaviour by Trump on the day BF finally call him a LOSER
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,578
    Alistair said:

    They've all settled. It's over its over. The long nightmare is finally over.

    Somebody gonna tell Donald?
  • kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    This XKCD on Covid is spot on:

    https://xkcd.com/2395/

    XKCD like Matt does really excellent and insightful comics rather than worrying about impressions.

    I liked this one.

    https://xkcd.com/2396/
    His 'What if' and 'How to' books have made useful stocking fillers the last few years when I'm not sure what to get someone.
    Ooh I might get that for someone. Thanks!
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    MaxPB said:

    Settled!

    Rejoice friends, and withdraw if necessary. For tonight we sleep soundly, and tomorrow we feast and sing songs of this day!
  • Crabbie said:

    Betfair has started to settle the presidential markets!

    Hallelujah!

    Money arrived in my Betfair account and I’ve just withdrawn it.
    Tonight will surely test the capacity of Betfair's bank transfer systems.
  • rcs1000 said:

    This XKCD on Covid is spot on:

    https://xkcd.com/2395/

    XKCD like Matt does really excellent and insightful comics rather than worrying about impressions.

    I liked this one.

    https://xkcd.com/2396/
    Yes they are good.

    I had to look at this one for a while before I got it:

    https://xkcd.com/2394/
    I might use that as a lesson starter with a sixth-form group at some point, or at least use it to wind up the geography department: see how long it takes them to realise something is wrong...
  • Is there any help to industry/commerce that we would be doing now were it not for EU state aid prohibitions?
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    Alistair said:

    Still to get round to the outstanding senate bets.

    JFK, I just realised that the Arizona bet is still outstanding despite Kelly being seated!

    I've got a nice bet against a Dem majority (which, under Betfair rules, requires 53 Dem Seats). Slightly annoyingly it won't pay out until Georgia is done, despite the options now being GOP majority or no majority - but I did know that before I placed the bet.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,474
    Whoopee! Several hundred quid have appeared in my BFX account.
  • Like your style Kinbalu.

    In other news, Galloway having what for him is increasingly a normal one.

    https://twitter.com/Jojoteesend/status/1338593593771044864?s=20
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362
    edited December 2020

    rcs1000 said:

    This XKCD on Covid is spot on:

    https://xkcd.com/2395/

    XKCD like Matt does really excellent and insightful comics rather than worrying about impressions.

    I liked this one.

    https://xkcd.com/2396/
    This one is probably the most universally applicable:


    That is my life.
    Same here, but I’ve been busy with work. So what have I missed then? Boris caved in on the ratchet clause, EU still refuse to move an inch?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,830
    edited December 2020
    Barr's letter says that Trump has 'brokered historic peace deals in the mideast'.

    Now, I know the midwest is your Illinois, Indiana, Kansas area, so Trump brokered peace in *looks east* Pennslyvannia?
  • kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    This XKCD on Covid is spot on:

    https://xkcd.com/2395/

    XKCD like Matt does really excellent and insightful comics rather than worrying about impressions.

    I liked this one.

    https://xkcd.com/2396/
    His 'What if' and 'How to' books have made useful stocking fillers the last few years when I'm not sure what to get someone.
    Ooh I might get that for someone. Thanks!
    "A Mole of Moles" and "Lethal Neutrinos" are probably my favourite.
    https://what-if.xkcd.com/4/
    https://what-if.xkcd.com/73/
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362

    Like your style Kinbalu.

    In other news, Galloway having what for him is increasingly a normal one.

    https://twitter.com/Jojoteesend/status/1338593593771044864?s=20

    Actually that’s quite good. Tell me his claim isn’t true.
  • alex_ said:

    Any chance Williamson might be out by the end of January?

    Williamson is said to be suing Greenwich and possibly other LEAs over school closures so if he loses... Well, Lord Carrington would resign but Boris is still there despite losing what he claimed was a confidence vote.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/14/government-starts-legal-proceedings-against-council-school-closures/
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,308

    rcs1000 said:

    This XKCD on Covid is spot on:

    https://xkcd.com/2395/

    XKCD like Matt does really excellent and insightful comics rather than worrying about impressions.

    I liked this one.

    https://xkcd.com/2396/
    This one is probably the most universally applicable:


    That is my life.
    So you're the one keeping everyone awake.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753
    Congrats on your header @kinabalu.

    I assume you are too busy celebrating your confirmed win tonight to read the responses.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,830

    Like your style Kinbalu.

    In other news, Galloway having what for him is increasingly a normal one.

    https://twitter.com/Jojoteesend/status/1338593593771044864?s=20

    When you start taking inspiration for your theories from Dan Brown thrillers around connectivity of symbol, it's time to step away from Photoshop.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,830
    Quincel said:

    MaxPB said:

    Settled!

    Rejoice friends, and withdraw if necessary. For tonight we sleep soundly, and tomorrow we feast and sing songs of this day!
    It shall be known as Settlement Day, and it will be glorious.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,878

    rcs1000 said:

    This XKCD on Covid is spot on:

    https://xkcd.com/2395/

    XKCD like Matt does really excellent and insightful comics rather than worrying about impressions.

    I liked this one.

    https://xkcd.com/2396/
    Yes they are good.

    I had to look at this one for a while before I got it:

    https://xkcd.com/2394/
    Hmmm...Delaware, the Dakotas, New Mexico... what else is missing?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Barr has resigned. Does that mean Trump can acting appoint a replacement?
  • Alistair said:

    Barr has resigned. Does that mean Trump can acting appoint a replacement?

    he already has done. The Deputy AG has been promoted.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,878

    Is there any help to industry/commerce that we would be doing now were it not for EU state aid prohibitions?

    Fishing?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947
    Thanks for posting and for comments. Probably should have buffed it up a bit more but hope the gist is clear. No Deal = No Chance.

    Couple of dupe sentences have got in there but that's ok.

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,637
    Betfair finally settle all my US bets.
  • Hey, a couple of grand has appeared in my Betfair account (good!), but they still haven't settled the main market? How the hell does that work, since Next Pres was the least ambiguous of the lot???
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,226
    kle4 said:

    Quincel said:

    MaxPB said:

    Settled!

    Rejoice friends, and withdraw if necessary. For tonight we sleep soundly, and tomorrow we feast and sing songs of this day!
    It shall be known as Settlement Day, and it will be glorious.
    Though technically under the US constitution Biden will only be officially confirmed once Congress counts and confirms the votes cast today in January and Pence as President of the Senate announces the result
  • rcs1000 said:

    Is there any help to industry/commerce that we would be doing now were it not for EU state aid prohibitions?

    Fishing?
    Surely if we financially helped the British fishermen against the French, Macron would just add a few million to it without censure from the EU?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,578
    kinabalu said:

    Thanks for posting and for comments. Probably should have buffed it up a bit more but hope the gist is clear. No Deal = No Chance.

    Couple of dupe sentences have got in there but that's ok.

    I thought the duplication was deliberate, it added to the poetry :smile:
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    Hey, a couple of grand has appeared in my Betfair account (good!), but they still haven't settled the main market? How the hell does that work, since Next Pres was the least ambiguous of the lot???

    Perhaps they're waiting for all the electoral college votes to be cast? I think there's still one left (Hawaii?)
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,578
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    This XKCD on Covid is spot on:

    https://xkcd.com/2395/

    XKCD like Matt does really excellent and insightful comics rather than worrying about impressions.

    I liked this one.

    https://xkcd.com/2396/
    Yes they are good.

    I had to look at this one for a while before I got it:

    https://xkcd.com/2394/
    Hmmm...Delaware, the Dakotas, New Mexico... what else is missing?
    A distinct lack of PA
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,830
    I hope everyone promised not to cry at this momentous time, stiff upper lip and all that.
  • kamski said:

    kle4 said:

    AG Bill Barr has resigned.

    I really find it hard to conceive quite why Barr has now found the line where he cannot support Trump.

    Though I suppose really him going was inevitable:

    Attorney General Bill Barr has reportedly compared Donald Trump's attacks on him as a “deposed king ranting" after the president apparently raised the possibility of firing him.


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/bill-barr-trump-election-biden-b1772174.html

    I guess Barr was willing to do and say pretty much anything, so long as you actually manage to win the election first.
    Surely just a bit of attention seeking behaviour by Trump on the day BF finally call him a LOSER
    For a guy pushing ahead with executions against all precedent, ranting about one his consiglieri must be small potatoes.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947
    dixiedean said:

    Nice one @kinabalu.
    You have directly realised the emptiness of its inherent existence.
    Does the PM also perceive it? I am not so entirely convinced.

    Cheers. I really think he does. He knows he can't do it.

    Did have a slight wobble on Friday though.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    This XKCD on Covid is spot on:

    https://xkcd.com/2395/

    XKCD like Matt does really excellent and insightful comics rather than worrying about impressions.

    I liked this one.

    https://xkcd.com/2396/
    Yes they are good.

    I had to look at this one for a while before I got it:

    https://xkcd.com/2394/
    Hmmm...Delaware, the Dakotas, New Mexico... what else is missing?
    Just the fly-over states. No-one will miss them.....
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,830
    edited December 2020
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Quincel said:

    MaxPB said:

    Settled!

    Rejoice friends, and withdraw if necessary. For tonight we sleep soundly, and tomorrow we feast and sing songs of this day!
    It shall be known as Settlement Day, and it will be glorious.
    Though technically under the US constitution Biden will only be officially confirmed once Congress counts and confirms the votes cast today in January and Pence as President of the Senate announces the result
    Somebody shut this guy up before Betfair reads his post! :)
  • gealbhan said:

    Like your style Kinbalu.

    In other news, Galloway having what for him is increasingly a normal one.

    https://twitter.com/Jojoteesend/status/1338593593771044864?s=20

    Actually that’s quite good. Tell me his claim isn’t true.
    It isn't true.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Hey, a couple of grand has appeared in my Betfair account (good!), but they still haven't settled the main market? How the hell does that work, since Next Pres was the least ambiguous of the lot???

    That's odd, my Next Pres bet appears settled. Indeed it was the first to appear in my transaction history.
  • Hey, a couple of grand has appeared in my Betfair account (good!), but they still haven't settled the main market? How the hell does that work, since Next Pres was the least ambiguous of the lot???

    That was one of the first, if not the first, to be settled.
  • trukattrukat Posts: 38
    all my bets have settled judging by the amount in my account. Perhaps its taking a while due to market size.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947

    kinabalu said:

    Thanks for posting and for comments. Probably should have buffed it up a bit more but hope the gist is clear. No Deal = No Chance.

    Couple of dupe sentences have got in there but that's ok.

    I thought the duplication was deliberate, it added to the poetry :smile:
    :smile: - That's right. Deliberate. Let's say that.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947
    TOPPING said:

    Congrats on your header @kinabalu.

    I assume you are too busy celebrating your confirmed win tonight to read the responses.

    Thanks. Just logged in in fact and taken by surprise at swiftness of it going up.

    Written with you in mind. You and me, we've had this since day 1.
  • Alistair said:

    Hey, a couple of grand has appeared in my Betfair account (good!), but they still haven't settled the main market? How the hell does that work, since Next Pres was the least ambiguous of the lot???

    That's odd, my Next Pres bet appears settled. Indeed it was the first to appear in my transaction history.
    Very odd. Still showing as 'Suspended' in my account (and even if I log out, it shows as Suspended)
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    IanB2 said:

    ping said:

    BETFAIR SETTLED!!!!!

    Don't all withdraw at once.....
    IanB2 said:

    ping said:

    BETFAIR SETTLED!!!!!

    Don't all withdraw at once.....
    Odd.

    I made 4 withdrawals - 3 large ones are pending, 1 small one has already cleared into my bank. Super fast payment!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947

    Lol! That's a hoot.

    Well done, K.

    Thanks vm.

    You'll be a relieved man tonight, I'm thinking. Betfair. POTUS.

    I gather - unlike BJ with No Deal - they are doing it!
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited December 2020

    Alistair said:

    Hey, a couple of grand has appeared in my Betfair account (good!), but they still haven't settled the main market? How the hell does that work, since Next Pres was the least ambiguous of the lot???

    That's odd, my Next Pres bet appears settled. Indeed it was the first to appear in my transaction history.
    Very odd. Still showing as 'Suspended' in my account (and even if I log out, it shows as Suspended)
    I think it's working its way through. For me it's shown as settled in the 'Betting Activity' page, as 'Suspended' on the actual market, and isn't showing on the P+L report.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Alistair said:

    Hey, a couple of grand has appeared in my Betfair account (good!), but they still haven't settled the main market? How the hell does that work, since Next Pres was the least ambiguous of the lot???

    That's odd, my Next Pres bet appears settled. Indeed it was the first to appear in my transaction history.
    Very odd. Still showing as 'Suspended' in my account (and even if I log out, it shows as Suspended)
    Yes, the market shows as suspended but the money is in my account.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947
    kle4 said:

    Well that's a unique header, kinabalu.

    Well, I've posted on this (No Deal = Never Happening) so many times I had to find a different way to express it. I'd have nodded off writing it otherwise.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,830
    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Well that's a unique header, kinabalu.

    Well, I've posted on this (No Deal = Never Happening) so many times I had to find a different way to express it. I'd have nodded off writing it otherwise.
    You'll need the stamina to say the same thing over and over again if you want to make it as a professional pundit, buck up.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    Paddys have settled my multi-state combo bet. Betvictor still not settled Trump 200-249 ECVs but I guess they might by tomorrow morning.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947

    Love the piece @kinabalu

    Thinking about no deal at the weekend I had "Gimme the Prize" by Queen stuck in my head...

    Cheers, thank you. Don't know that one. Will check it out. See if it makes ME think about No Deal. Lots of songs can do that, I find.
  • Yes, I think all my Betfair bets are settled, but some of the reports aren't yet updated.

    Well that's good! However, from a personal point of view, I'm more interested in Sporting Index, which still is in denial.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,340
    OT. Am I the only one who thinks Williamson has lost the plot and should be out the door?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947
    IshmaelZ said:

    Rolling Stones are overrated, and no deal is currently as likely as deal.

    A big nooooo to both of those.

    I think the Stones are better than the Beatles.

    Woo Woo ... Woo Woo ... :smile:
  • kinabalu said:

    Lol! That's a hoot.

    Well done, K.

    Thanks vm.

    You'll be a relieved man tonight, I'm thinking. Betfair. POTUS.

    I gather - unlike BJ with No Deal - they are doing it!
    kinabalu said:

    Lol! That's a hoot.

    Well done, K.

    Thanks vm.

    You'll be a relieved man tonight, I'm thinking. Betfair. POTUS.

    I gather - unlike BJ with No Deal - they are doing it!
    Some relief, yes. I always thought they would pay, the frustration was in not knowing when.

    I won't trust Betfair again.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,830
    dixiedean said:

    OT. Am I the only one who thinks Williamson has lost the plot and should be out the door?

    I don't care which one you mean, but Yes.
  • kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rolling Stones are overrated, and no deal is currently as likely as deal.

    A big nooooo to both of those.

    I think the Stones are better than the Beatles.

    Woo Woo ... Woo Woo ... :smile:
    I can speak authoritatively on this point.

    The Stones were better performers. Lennon and McCartney were the better songwriters.
  • dixiedean said:

    OT. Am I the only one who thinks Williamson has lost the plot and should be out the door?

    You're the only one who didn't realise this many months, if not years, ago.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947
    alex_ said:

    Is there a reason why Johnson has suddenly out of the blue stopped referring to an Australian deal, and back to referring to "no deal, trading on WTO terms"? Is it that he's suddenly realised that he HAS to agree a deal and he's desperately trying to reverse ferret against the alternative?

    Yes, he knows he has to agree a deal. I am utterly convinced of this. Most people aren't, but I am.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,467
    Clever piece by Kinabalu.
    My view is that there will be a deal.
    I believe in incentives, and as both sides has a strong incentive to forge a deal, that is the most likely outcome.

  • kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rolling Stones are overrated, and no deal is currently as likely as deal.

    A big nooooo to both of those.

    I think the Stones are better than the Beatles.

    Woo Woo ... Woo Woo ... :smile:
    I can speak authoritatively on this point.

    The Stones were better performers. Lennon and McCartney were the better songwriters.
    I think Keith was the best songwriter and Mick is still the best performer.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,340

    dixiedean said:

    OT. Am I the only one who thinks Williamson has lost the plot and should be out the door?

    You're the only one who didn't realise this many months, if not years, ago.
    OK Good. I wondered if the lack of comment was tacit agreement.
    I now see it was merely a total lack of surprise.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947

    Amusing kinabalu.

    Thank you, Philip. If I could tip 250/1 Tory next leaders who are now the fav, I would. But I do my best.

    And you'll be happy when you see I'm right and that deal gets done.

    It'll be SUCH a good one too, you'll see. :smile:
  • kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rolling Stones are overrated, and no deal is currently as likely as deal.

    A big nooooo to both of those.

    I think the Stones are better than the Beatles.

    Woo Woo ... Woo Woo ... :smile:
    I can speak authoritatively on this point.

    The Stones were better performers. Lennon and McCartney were the better songwriters.
    I think Keith was the best songwriter and Mick is still the best performer.
    I'm a great Stones fan (pre 1968, obv.), but I don't think any of their songs were particularly good as compositions. Keith Richards was of course in his heyday a really top guitarist, which isn't the same thing.

    This is the best Stones track amongst those which hardly anyone knows:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOm8OJ11-9s&ab_channel=TheRollingStones-Topic
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,340

    kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rolling Stones are overrated, and no deal is currently as likely as deal.

    A big nooooo to both of those.

    I think the Stones are better than the Beatles.

    Woo Woo ... Woo Woo ... :smile:
    I can speak authoritatively on this point.

    The Stones were better performers. Lennon and McCartney were the better songwriters.
    George Harrison was too.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    alex_ said:

    Is there a reason why Johnson has suddenly out of the blue stopped referring to an Australian deal, and back to referring to "no deal, trading on WTO terms"? Is it that he's suddenly realised that he HAS to agree a deal and he's desperately trying to reverse ferret against the alternative?

    Wasn’t Malcolm Turnbull on QT last week saying it was a bad idea?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,573
    edited December 2020


    kinabalu said:

    Lol! That's a hoot.

    Well done, K.

    Thanks vm.

    You'll be a relieved man tonight, I'm thinking. Betfair. POTUS.

    I gather - unlike BJ with No Deal - they are doing it!
    Some relief, yes. I always thought they would pay, the frustration was in not knowing when.

    I won't trust Betfair again.
    If we'd known Betfair would settle tonight, those short prices would have been taken and the football and racing punters would have piled in too, knowing their funds would be ready to punt again tomorrow. But we did not know that, even though Betfair said they'd settle today, because we could no longer trust them.
  • kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rolling Stones are overrated, and no deal is currently as likely as deal.

    A big nooooo to both of those.

    I think the Stones are better than the Beatles.

    Woo Woo ... Woo Woo ... :smile:
    I can speak authoritatively on this point.

    The Stones were better performers. Lennon and McCartney were the better songwriters.
    I think Keith was the best songwriter and Mick is still the best performer.
    I'm a great Stones fan (pre 1968, obv.), but I don't think any of their songs were particularly good as compositions. Keith Richards was of course in his heyday a really top guitarist, which isn't the same thing.

    This is the best Stones track amongst those which hardly anyone knows:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOm8OJ11-9s&ab_channel=TheRollingStones-Topic
    I like that track, but it's not the Stones at their best. For a start, I'm sure I can find at least 5 better versions by soul bands. Second, the Stones were at their best later even though Jones was gone. I think You Can't Always Get What You Want and Sympathy For The Devil are much better, and I can't imagine how good they would have been with Brian Jones there too..
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947

    Very good, positively Sphinx-like. But if you don't exist, how can there be a song about you?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjEiB59yn1Q

    Ha. There you go. Even the satirists were fooled. It's just me and a very select group who never were.

    And thanks a bunch. I'll take a "very good" from a hard to please type like you.
  • Ten days to Christmas, unless Boris cancels it.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947

    Like your style Kinbalu.

    In other news, Galloway having what for him is increasingly a normal one.

    https://twitter.com/Jojoteesend/status/1338593593771044864?s=20

    Cheers thanks.

    That man is beginning to sound unhinged.

    But, you know, he is Scottish. So you can keep him.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344

    kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rolling Stones are overrated, and no deal is currently as likely as deal.

    A big nooooo to both of those.

    I think the Stones are better than the Beatles.

    Woo Woo ... Woo Woo ... :smile:
    I can speak authoritatively on this point.

    The Stones were better performers. Lennon and McCartney were the better songwriters.
    Pink Floyd were more creative than both.
  • dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rolling Stones are overrated, and no deal is currently as likely as deal.

    A big nooooo to both of those.

    I think the Stones are better than the Beatles.

    Woo Woo ... Woo Woo ... :smile:
    I can speak authoritatively on this point.

    The Stones were better performers. Lennon and McCartney were the better songwriters.
    George Harrison was too.
    Something tells me you're right..
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,796
    edited December 2020

    kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rolling Stones are overrated, and no deal is currently as likely as deal.

    A big nooooo to both of those.

    I think the Stones are better than the Beatles.

    Woo Woo ... Woo Woo ... :smile:
    I can speak authoritatively on this point.

    The Stones were better performers. Lennon and McCartney were the better songwriters.
    I think Keith was the best songwriter and Mick is still the best performer.
    I'm a great Stones fan (pre 1968, obv.), but I don't think any of their songs were particularly good as compositions. Keith Richards was of course in his heyday a really top guitarist, which isn't the same thing.

    This is the best Stones track amongst those which hardly anyone knows:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOm8OJ11-9s&ab_channel=TheRollingStones-Topic
    Never saw you as an R&B (in the old school sense) dance floor shagger but I welcome this new to me facet to your character. I still have that album from my now sadly depleted Stones collection that went all the way to Emotional Rescue, so I definitely know that track! Sir Jeremy Farrar had Under the Boardwalk for one of his Desert Island Discs last week, so obviously a top bloke.


  • I like that track, but it's not the Stones at their best. For a start, I'm sure I can find at least 5 better versions by soul bands. Second, the Stones were at their best later even though Jones was gone. I think You Can't Always Get What You Want and Sympathy For The Devil are much better, and I can't imagine how good they would have been with Brian Jones there too..

    Yeah, I'm not saying it's them at their best, just that it's odd that it's not better known.
  • kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rolling Stones are overrated, and no deal is currently as likely as deal.

    A big nooooo to both of those.

    I think the Stones are better than the Beatles.

    Woo Woo ... Woo Woo ... :smile:
    I can speak authoritatively on this point.

    The Stones were better performers. Lennon and McCartney were the better songwriters.
    I think Keith was the best songwriter and Mick is still the best performer.
    I'm a great Stones fan (pre 1968, obv.), but I don't think any of their songs were particularly good as compositions. Keith Richards was of course in his heyday a really top guitarist, which isn't the same thing.

    This is the best Stones track amongst those which hardly anyone knows:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOm8OJ11-9s&ab_channel=TheRollingStones-Topic
    Never saw you as an R&B (in the old school sense) dance floor shagger but I welcome this new facet to your character. I still have that album from my now sadly depleted Stones collection that went all the way to Emotional Rescue, so I definitely know that track! Sir Jeremy Farrar had Under the Boardwalk for one of his Desert Island Discs, so obviously a top bloke.
    If you're into old school R&B, did you hear of more recent (but sadly recently departed) soul singers Sharon Jones and Charles Bradley from Daptone records (where Amy recorded Back To Black)?
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362

    gealbhan said:

    Like your style Kinbalu.

    In other news, Galloway having what for him is increasingly a normal one.

    https://twitter.com/Jojoteesend/status/1338593593771044864?s=20

    Actually that’s quite good. Tell me his claim isn’t true.
    It isn't true.
    What would anyone have to be afraid of, if it was. Gorgeous is clearly spinning it for all the negative associations. But what about the good ones?

    Hitlers Nazi party grew from a gentlemen’s Futhark appreciation Society. yetRunic appreciation in itself isn’t the ugly side of nationalism?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited December 2020



    Never saw you as an R&B (in the old school sense) dance floor shagger but I welcome this new facet to your character. I still have that album from my now sadly depleted Stones collection that went all the way to Emotional Rescue, so I definitely know that track! Sir Jeremy Farrar had Under the Boardwalk for one of his Desert Island Discs, so obviously a top bloke.

    Absolutely I'm an R&B fan, if not quite a dance-floor shagger (whatever that is or was, it's probably inappropriate today for a gentleman of my age..). I spent much of my insufficiently misspent youth listening to Muddy Waters, Sonny Boy Williamson, Howlin' Wolf and the rest of them.

    One of the benefits of the internet is that one can discover earlier blues magicians who were scarcely known before.

    Edit: And Under the Boardwalk is indeed a goody. In fact that whole album was good to very good.

  • kinabalu said:

    Lol! That's a hoot.

    Well done, K.

    Thanks vm.

    You'll be a relieved man tonight, I'm thinking. Betfair. POTUS.

    I gather - unlike BJ with No Deal - they are doing it!
    Some relief, yes. I always thought they would pay, the frustration was in not knowing when.

    I won't trust Betfair again.
    If we'd known Betfair would settle tonight, those short prices would have been taken and the football and racing punters would have piled in too, knowing their funds would be ready to punt again tomorrow. But we did not know that, even though Betfair said they'd settle today, because we could no longer trust them.
    Exactly. I wasn't in any doubt Biden had won and would be installed as President in due course, but Betfair were making the rules up as they went along. There was a limit to how much I was prepared to risk on their unpredictable decisions on settling the market.

    I thought there was a real risk they would settle on inauguration day, and even a small risk they would wait for a Trump concession.

    I can't be having that sort of uncertainty so I really won't be betting with them again.


  • Never saw you as an R&B (in the old school sense) dance floor shagger but I welcome this new facet to your character. I still have that album from my now sadly depleted Stones collection that went all the way to Emotional Rescue, so I definitely know that track! Sir Jeremy Farrar had Under the Boardwalk for one of his Desert Island Discs, so obviously a top bloke.

    Absolutely I'm an R&B fan, if not quite a dance-floor shagger (whatever that is or was, it's probably inappropriate today for a gentleman of my age..). I spent much of my insufficiently misspent youth listening to Muddy Waters, Sonny Boy Williamson, Howlin' Wolf and the rest of them.

    One of the benefits of the internet is that one can discover earlier blues magicians who were scarcely known before.

    Edit: And Under the Boardwalk is indeed a goody. In fact that whole album was good to very good.
    Do you know/like any of Bonnie Raitt's early stuff?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,878

    kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rolling Stones are overrated, and no deal is currently as likely as deal.

    A big nooooo to both of those.

    I think the Stones are better than the Beatles.

    Woo Woo ... Woo Woo ... :smile:
    I can speak authoritatively on this point.

    The Stones were better performers. Lennon and McCartney were the better songwriters.
    And yet, some of the best Beatles songs - perhaps even the very best - were written by neither.


  • Never saw you as an R&B (in the old school sense) dance floor shagger but I welcome this new facet to your character. I still have that album from my now sadly depleted Stones collection that went all the way to Emotional Rescue, so I definitely know that track! Sir Jeremy Farrar had Under the Boardwalk for one of his Desert Island Discs, so obviously a top bloke.

    Absolutely I'm an R&B fan, if not quite a dance-floor shagger (whatever that is or was, it's probably inappropriate today for a gentleman of my age..). I spent much of my insufficiently misspent youth listening to Muddy Waters, Sonny Boy Williamson, Howlin' Wolf and the rest of them.

    One of the benefits of the internet is that one can discover earlier blues magicians who were scarcely known before.

    Edit: And Under the Boardwalk is indeed a goody. In fact that whole album was good to very good.
    Do you know/like any of Bonnie Raitt's early stuff?
    First woman to be in the Rolling Stone top 100 guitarists and top 100 singers. I love her early blues stuff like this, over her more Grammy awarded (I think she's had the most ever) recent music..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kv1JhG3_T8
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947

    kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rolling Stones are overrated, and no deal is currently as likely as deal.

    A big nooooo to both of those.

    I think the Stones are better than the Beatles.

    Woo Woo ... Woo Woo ... :smile:
    I can speak authoritatively on this point.

    The Stones were better performers. Lennon and McCartney were the better songwriters.
    Pink Floyd were more creative than both.
    Strange how your perceptions can change. Take the 3 bands - all great - being bandied about here.

    Years ago, I would have ranked them Beatles/Stones/Floyd. But now I go Stones/Floyd/Beatles. Which doesn't mean I don't still like the Beatles. I really really do.

    But BOB trumps all for me. (Dylan, I mean, just in case there are other great Bobs).

    Anyway, must go, I'm meant to be in bed. Didn't think my little piece was going up tonight. Caught on the hop.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,878
    Andy_JS said:
    I think the second part is a bit naïve: the government can't magic up local hospital capacity at short notice.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947

    Clever piece by Kinabalu.
    My view is that there will be a deal.
    I believe in incentives, and as both sides has a strong incentive to forge a deal, that is the most likely outcome.

    Thanks vm.

    Yep, I really think so. I'm actually nearly as certain of it as I'm making out. 90% say.

    No Deal drifting big time in the betting now too.
  • kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rolling Stones are overrated, and no deal is currently as likely as deal.

    A big nooooo to both of those.

    I think the Stones are better than the Beatles.

    Woo Woo ... Woo Woo ... :smile:
    I can speak authoritatively on this point.

    The Stones were better performers. Lennon and McCartney were the better songwriters.
    I think Keith was the best songwriter and Mick is still the best performer.
    I'm a great Stones fan (pre 1968, obv.), but I don't think any of their songs were particularly good as compositions. Keith Richards was of course in his heyday a really top guitarist, which isn't the same thing.

    This is the best Stones track amongst those which hardly anyone knows:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOm8OJ11-9s&ab_channel=TheRollingStones-Topic
    Never saw you as an R&B (in the old school sense) dance floor shagger but I welcome this new facet to your character. I still have that album from my now sadly depleted Stones collection that went all the way to Emotional Rescue, so I definitely know that track! Sir Jeremy Farrar had Under the Boardwalk for one of his Desert Island Discs, so obviously a top bloke.
    If you're into old school R&B, did you hear of more recent (but sadly recently departed) soul singers Sharon Jones and Charles Bradley from Daptone records (where Amy recorded Back To Black)?
    Heard of them but not much by them. I just listened to Hey Brother after your mention, cracking stuff.

    Someone who lives in my neighbourhood, Stuart Cosgrove (Channel 4, Scottish football guy), is a soul & R&B obsessive, and has written several books on or around the subject. I'm interested but I'm slightly intimidated by the possessive fierceness these guys have for the music; Al Green and Bobby Womack are about my level at the moment. Marvin Gaye is of course the man.
  • rcs1000 said:

    kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rolling Stones are overrated, and no deal is currently as likely as deal.

    A big nooooo to both of those.

    I think the Stones are better than the Beatles.

    Woo Woo ... Woo Woo ... :smile:
    I can speak authoritatively on this point.

    The Stones were better performers. Lennon and McCartney were the better songwriters.
    And yet, some of the best Beatles songs - perhaps even the very best - were written by neither.
    Quite right.

    Something by The Beatles beats anything by anyone else.
  • rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:
    I think the second part is a bit naïve: the government can't magic up local hospital capacity at short notice.
    Nor can the government magic up a brand new, all-British fishing fleet to replace those dastardly European trawlers, and yet Brexit has been stuck on fish for the past god knows how long.
  • It's cruel to laugh at people's names, particularly during their big moments, but Jack fluffed for Trump so fuckim.

    https://twitter.com/jacknicklaus/status/1338628170694750214?s=20
  • kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rolling Stones are overrated, and no deal is currently as likely as deal.

    A big nooooo to both of those.

    I think the Stones are better than the Beatles.

    Woo Woo ... Woo Woo ... :smile:
    I can speak authoritatively on this point.

    The Stones were better performers. Lennon and McCartney were the better songwriters.
    I think Keith was the best songwriter and Mick is still the best performer.
    I'm a great Stones fan (pre 1968, obv.), but I don't think any of their songs were particularly good as compositions. Keith Richards was of course in his heyday a really top guitarist, which isn't the same thing.

    This is the best Stones track amongst those which hardly anyone knows:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOm8OJ11-9s&ab_channel=TheRollingStones-Topic
    Never saw you as an R&B (in the old school sense) dance floor shagger but I welcome this new facet to your character. I still have that album from my now sadly depleted Stones collection that went all the way to Emotional Rescue, so I definitely know that track! Sir Jeremy Farrar had Under the Boardwalk for one of his Desert Island Discs, so obviously a top bloke.
    If you're into old school R&B, did you hear of more recent (but sadly recently departed) soul singers Sharon Jones and Charles Bradley from Daptone records (where Amy recorded Back To Black)?
    Heard of them but not much by them. I just listened to Hey Brother after your mention, cracking stuff.

    Someone who lives in my neighbourhood, Stuart Cosgrove (Channel 4, Scottish football guy), is a soul & R&B obsessive, and has written several books on or around the subject. I'm interested but I'm slightly intimidated by the possessive fierceness these guys have for the music; Al Green and Bobby Womack are about my level at the moment. Marvin Gaye is of course the man.
    I'm a bit of a soul R&B obsessive but have written very little on the subject. I was lucky enough to see what I think was Bobby Womack's last UK performance at the Jazz Cafe in Camden and got to meet him (and get his signature on my tshirt!) . Both of the 2 daptone singers have excellent biopics about them (used to be on netflix Soul Of America and Miss Sharon Jones)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344

    kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rolling Stones are overrated, and no deal is currently as likely as deal.

    A big nooooo to both of those.

    I think the Stones are better than the Beatles.

    Woo Woo ... Woo Woo ... :smile:
    I can speak authoritatively on this point.

    The Stones were better performers. Lennon and McCartney were the better songwriters.
    I think Keith was the best songwriter and Mick is still the best performer.
    I'm a great Stones fan (pre 1968, obv.), but I don't think any of their songs were particularly good as compositions. Keith Richards was of course in his heyday a really top guitarist, which isn't the same thing.

    This is the best Stones track amongst those which hardly anyone knows:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOm8OJ11-9s&ab_channel=TheRollingStones-Topic
    Never saw you as an R&B (in the old school sense) dance floor shagger but I welcome this new facet to your character. I still have that album from my now sadly depleted Stones collection that went all the way to Emotional Rescue, so I definitely know that track! Sir Jeremy Farrar had Under the Boardwalk for one of his Desert Island Discs, so obviously a top bloke.
    If you're into old school R&B, did you hear of more recent (but sadly recently departed) soul singers Sharon Jones and Charles Bradley from Daptone records (where Amy recorded Back To Black)?
    Charles Bradley I know. I bought his debut album, No Time For Dreaming, when it came out. The Screaming Eagle of Soul. In case that is of interest to anyone here...

    Sharon Jones I'll look into.
  • kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rolling Stones are overrated, and no deal is currently as likely as deal.

    A big nooooo to both of those.

    I think the Stones are better than the Beatles.

    Woo Woo ... Woo Woo ... :smile:
    I can speak authoritatively on this point.

    The Stones were better performers. Lennon and McCartney were the better songwriters.
    I think Keith was the best songwriter and Mick is still the best performer.
    I'm a great Stones fan (pre 1968, obv.), but I don't think any of their songs were particularly good as compositions. Keith Richards was of course in his heyday a really top guitarist, which isn't the same thing.

    This is the best Stones track amongst those which hardly anyone knows:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOm8OJ11-9s&ab_channel=TheRollingStones-Topic
    Never saw you as an R&B (in the old school sense) dance floor shagger but I welcome this new facet to your character. I still have that album from my now sadly depleted Stones collection that went all the way to Emotional Rescue, so I definitely know that track! Sir Jeremy Farrar had Under the Boardwalk for one of his Desert Island Discs, so obviously a top bloke.
    If you're into old school R&B, did you hear of more recent (but sadly recently departed) soul singers Sharon Jones and Charles Bradley from Daptone records (where Amy recorded Back To Black)?
    Charles Bradley I know. I bought his debut album, No Time For Dreaming, when it came out. The Screaming Eagle of Soul. In case that is of interest to anyone here...

    Sharon Jones I'll look into.
    You could start in worse places than this for Sharon Jones
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltlW_lgkcAM

    And if you haven't seen this about Charles Bradley I'd highly advise
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiV6bO4Wqc4

    Also, on Mr Bradley (who I had three very sweaty post show hugs with the times I was lucky enough to meet him) did you see this from Brick Lane just after he died?
    https://twitter.com/lovestreetart22/status/1068218684735401985?s=20
  • kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rolling Stones are overrated, and no deal is currently as likely as deal.

    A big nooooo to both of those.

    I think the Stones are better than the Beatles.

    Woo Woo ... Woo Woo ... :smile:
    I can speak authoritatively on this point.

    The Stones were better performers. Lennon and McCartney were the better songwriters.
    I think Keith was the best songwriter and Mick is still the best performer.
    I'm a great Stones fan (pre 1968, obv.), but I don't think any of their songs were particularly good as compositions. Keith Richards was of course in his heyday a really top guitarist, which isn't the same thing.

    This is the best Stones track amongst those which hardly anyone knows:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOm8OJ11-9s&ab_channel=TheRollingStones-Topic
    Never saw you as an R&B (in the old school sense) dance floor shagger but I welcome this new facet to your character. I still have that album from my now sadly depleted Stones collection that went all the way to Emotional Rescue, so I definitely know that track! Sir Jeremy Farrar had Under the Boardwalk for one of his Desert Island Discs, so obviously a top bloke.
    If you're into old school R&B, did you hear of more recent (but sadly recently departed) soul singers Sharon Jones and Charles Bradley from Daptone records (where Amy recorded Back To Black)?
    Charles Bradley I know. I bought his debut album, No Time For Dreaming, when it came out. The Screaming Eagle of Soul. In case that is of interest to anyone here...

    Sharon Jones I'll look into.
    You might just like St Paul & the Broken Bones too, quite an exceptional singer. Also, these NPR tiny desk concerts are generally very good..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vpXX5BjltM
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,135
    "Britain will do a Brexit deal on Europe’s terms

    A power asymmetry puts the UK at a disadvantage in the negotiations
    GIDEON RACHMAN"

    https://www.ft.com/content/955dc9c9-d5a8-4fd5-a66b-ef28c9f70e2c

    [available to read via Google search]
  • Andy_JS said:

    "Britain will do a Brexit deal on Europe’s terms

    A power asymmetry puts the UK at a disadvantage in the negotiations
    GIDEON RACHMAN"

    https://www.ft.com/content/955dc9c9-d5a8-4fd5-a66b-ef28c9f70e2c

    [available to read via Google search]

    Europe holds all the cards. Brexiteers believe their own propaganda. Gavin Williamson's a blowhard. But what I think this analysis misses is that from Cameron's negotiation onwards, Britain, or our government, has never been clear what it wants. Partly because it never understood how international trade works but mainly because it never stopped to think.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,419
    edited December 2020
    'Unconscious bias training' to be scrapped by ministers

    https://www.bbc.com/news/education-55309923
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    I'm still not convinced that the Democrats will win the Georgia run-offs but Trump is doing their chances no harm:

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/14/politics/paul-mitchell-quits-gop/index.html

    https://flipboard.com/@thenewsdesk/politics-9rga37brz/inside-the-nasty-feud-between-trump-and-the-republican-governor-he-blames-for-/a-Xu7u40S1TDSSGLiCgIsGew:a:43591897-e540b15436/washingtonpost.com

    I'm on Jon Ossoff at 2:1 with bets placed in October. It may be a very tight result.

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