Would be interesting to see whether people regard June as spring or summer. I think the latter although officially its mostly the former. I think everything will be allowed by June.
Would be interesting to see whether people regard June as spring or summer. I think the latter although officially its mostly the former. I think everything will be allowed by June.
Meteorological summer for me. 1 June to 31 August.
Would be interesting to see whether people regard June as spring or summer. I think the latter although officially its mostly the former. I think everything will be allowed by June.
Agreed. But you've just got to love the pitch-black pessimism of the 2% 'Never' cohort.
Would be interesting to see whether people regard June as spring or summer. I think the latter although officially its mostly the former. I think everything will be allowed by June.
Agreed. But you've just got to love the pitch-black pessimism of the 2% 'Never' cohort.
Would be interesting to see whether people regard June as spring or summer. I think the latter although officially its mostly the former. I think everything will be allowed by June.
Can't believe that 2% think the restrictions will never be lifted.
The reason Johnson is down to 2.9 is because in the immortal words of Jess Phillips "He's a liar. He's just a liar" . There was a time when the zeitgeist was happy with liars whether daubed on the side of busses or sent out on tweets but not now. The pendulum has swung and It doesn't look like it'll swing back soon.
Quite the opposite. He's been telling them the truth - that Covid is real and we have to do something about it, that we might just possibly want an agreement with that large landmass hovering off our shores - and they don't much care for it.
So how do you explain your leader coming 22nd in a Tory popularity contest behind at least a dozen no one's ever heard of
It's ConHome - formerly known as Continuity IDS.
Their bullshit polls are as valuable as the utterances of the oaf Trump.
Would be interesting to see whether people regard June as spring or summer. I think the latter although officially its mostly the former. I think everything will be allowed by June.
Everything? You mean I can finally give that bastard Nick Gibb what he deserves?
While we count the days till Christmas, the Americans keep on counting their election and two notable landmarks now reached.
First, Biden has swept past 81 million votes and his lead over Trump is now over 7 million. Current tallies according to CBS News are Biden 81,271,827 and Trump 74,216,269.
Only Maryland (97%) and Iowa (98%) are less than 99% counted and New York has made a big push to get its vote counted and now claims 100% in with Biden winning by 23 points or just shy of 2 million votes.
Somebody genuinely did tell me once that they hadn’t got their homework because, ‘the dog ate my USB pen.’
The more amazing part was when I rang home I found they were telling the truth.
My dog never ate my homework but she did eat £25 (2 tenners and a fiver)
My wife left an envelope with $500 in bills taped to the back door to pay someone doing work on the house. I came home and found bills strewed all over the driveway, some in multiple pieces, and a very self-satisfied German Shepherd. Amazingly, we were able to tape together all $500 dollars with numbers, sufficient to take them to the bank to exchange.
OT. Just seen Ann Coulter on Ch4 News. She's changed. she loathes Trump but more interesting she's actully really funny. She has quite a sense of humour.
Somebody genuinely did tell me once that they hadn’t got their homework because, ‘the dog ate my USB pen.’
The more amazing part was when I rang home I found they were telling the truth.
My dog never ate my homework but she did eat £25 (2 tenners and a fiver)
There was once a dog with £1995 up its arse.
It didn’t feel too grand.
Have you found your coat?
I wasn’t actually looking for my coat in a dog’s arse. Besides, unless it was as big as a shire horse, there wouldn’t be room for my coat *and* the money.
His winning defence seems to have been a told a load of lies.
Why did the police take his blog at face value?
I knew a colleague who swore he left UEA (Norwich) at 2pm, to give a 5 pm lecture at Exeter (around 300 miles) and made it on time... Lots of motorway, but even so...
Even less plausible given he would have had to drive past Birmingham or London. Sometimes takes three hours just to travel the M42, and as for the M25...
Would be interesting to see whether people regard June as spring or summer. I think the latter although officially its mostly the former. I think everything will be allowed by June.
Can't believe that 2% think the restrictions will never be lifted.
Why not? 70% of republicans think Trump won? Plenty think the vaccines are to give the govt extra control. Once the govts have more control why would they let us do anything in?
People are not designed to be rational, we get towards it by valuing education and science. Those are no longer valued across the board so alternative fact based irrational lives can be led perfectly well in the modern world, just as they were before the enlightenment.
Judd Trump currently indulging in the most one-sided match of snooker against a top player since O’Sullivan walloped Hendry 17-6 at the World Championship in 2008.
Would be interesting to see whether people regard June as spring or summer. I think the latter although officially its mostly the former. I think everything will be allowed by June.
Everything? You mean I can finally give that bastard Nick Gibb what he deserves?
Sure, if you get in trouble just say you read it would be fine on a forum.
Would be interesting to see whether people regard June as spring or summer. I think the latter although officially its mostly the former. I think everything will be allowed by June.
Everything? You mean I can finally give that bastard Nick Gibb what he deserves?
Sure, if you get in trouble just say you read it would be fine on a forum.
Well, he’s such a loathsome uncultured person he would probably enjoy it.
I just need to be sure that my bank manager won’t freeze my account when she sees I’ve ordered a Hawaiian with extra pineapple on.
Judd Trump currently indulging in the most one-sided match of snooker against a top player since O’Sullivan walloped Hendry 17-6 at the World Championship in 2008.
Judd Trump currently indulging in the most one-sided match of snooker against a top player since O’Sullivan walloped Hendry 17-6 at the World Championship in 2008.
Would be interesting to see whether people regard June as spring or summer. I think the latter although officially its mostly the former. I think everything will be allowed by June.
Can't believe that 2% think the restrictions will never be lifted.
Why not? 70% of republicans think Trump won? Plenty think the vaccines are to give the govt extra control. Once the govts have more control why would they let us do anything in?
People are not designed to be rational, we get towards it by valuing education and science. Those are no longer valued across the board so alternative fact based irrational lives can be led perfectly well in the modern world, just as they were before the enlightenment.
The 70% figure was those who doubted the integrity of the election, rather than thinking Trump won. And I think much of that is coloured by confirmation bias and simple denial/dissonance.
But your point is well taken. People only accept facts as facts so long as they fall within what is acceptable to them given their fundamental beliefs. For me The Enlightenment's greatest gift to mankind was Doubt.
Judd Trump currently indulging in the most one-sided match of snooker against a top player since O’Sullivan walloped Hendry 17-6 at the World Championship in 2008.
I know several PBers bet on the total vote number in the US Presidential.
Interesting to see the number continuing to edge up. It now stands at close to 158.5m votes cast, with Biden 7m+ ahead of Trump.
Imo the best tip of the election on here was 75m+ Biden votes at about 1.8. Carelessly I didnt follow it as already backed Biden elsewhere - should have laid off on the main market and switched to that market.
Judd Trump currently indulging in the most one-sided match of snooker against a top player since O’Sullivan walloped Hendry 17-6 at the World Championship in 2008.
His winning defence seems to have been a told a load of lies.
Why did the police take his blog at face value?
I knew a colleague who swore he left UEA (Norwich) at 2pm, to give a 5 pm lecture at Exeter (around 300 miles) and made it on time... Lots of motorway, but even so...
Even less plausible given he would have had to drive past Birmingham or London. Sometimes takes three hours just to travel the M42, and as for the M25...
Feel brie to do a really good cheese pun.
I camembert these sorts of discussions.
Sadly the tradition of awful puns on PB is just a feta ccompli.
I know several PBers bet on the total vote number in the US Presidential.
Interesting to see the number continuing to edge up. It now stands at close to 158.5m votes cast, with Biden 7m+ ahead of Trump.
Imo the best tip of the election on here was 75m+ Biden votes at about 1.8. Carelessly I didnt follow it as already backed Biden elsewhere - should have laid off on the main market and switched to that market.
Had I bet, I would have lost money as, based on voter registration and past voting percentages of RV, I figured the total would top 160m. Close, but wrong side of the bet.
ABSTRACT In the wake of the 2016 referendum, the idea that ‘imperial nostalgia’ motivated the Leave vote became a staple of academic commentary. Yet such claims suffer from four important flaws. They are usually polemical in character; they suggest, at least implicitly, that only Leave voters are subject to imperial patterns of thought; they fail to differentiate between Commonwealth and imperial loyalties; and they conflate ‘nostalgia’ with ‘amnesia’. This article deploys a longer historical perspective to offer a new reading of the relationship between Brexit and Empire, focusing on the ways in which empire is remembered and articulated. It shows how imperial modes of thought shaped the views of pro-Europeans, as well as their opponents, and explores the changing uses of the Commonwealth. It pays particular attention to the views of Black and Asian voters – a cohort that disrupts many conventional assumptions about Brexit – and shows how empire was excised from histories of ‘Global Britain’, in a manner that minimises the significance of decolonisation. As such, it presents the legacies of empire, not as a disorder to which only half the population is subject, but as a common cultural inheritance through which all sides of the European debate think and argue.
Would be interesting to see whether people regard June as spring or summer. I think the latter although officially its mostly the former. I think everything will be allowed by June.
Can't believe that 2% think the restrictions will never be lifted.
Why not? 70% of republicans think Trump won? Plenty think the vaccines are to give the govt extra control. Once the govts have more control why would they let us do anything in?
People are not designed to be rational, we get towards it by valuing education and science. Those are no longer valued across the board so alternative fact based irrational lives can be led perfectly well in the modern world, just as they were before the enlightenment.
The 70% figure was those who doubted the integrity of the election, rather than thinking Trump won. And I think much of that is coloured by confirmation bias and simple denial/dissonance.
But your point is well taken. People only accept facts as facts so long as they fall within what is acceptable to them given their fundamental beliefs. For me The Enlightenment's greatest gift to mankind was Doubt.
Would be interesting to see whether people regard June as spring or summer. I think the latter although officially its mostly the former. I think everything will be allowed by June.
Can't believe that 2% think the restrictions will never be lifted.
Why not? 70% of republicans think Trump won? Plenty think the vaccines are to give the govt extra control. Once the govts have more control why would they let us do anything in?
People are not designed to be rational, we get towards it by valuing education and science. Those are no longer valued across the board so alternative fact based irrational lives can be led perfectly well in the modern world, just as they were before the enlightenment.
The 70% figure was those who doubted the integrity of the election, rather than thinking Trump won. And I think much of that is coloured by confirmation bias and simple denial/dissonance.
But your point is well taken. People only accept facts as facts so long as they fall within what is acceptable to them given their fundamental beliefs. For me The Enlightenment's greatest gift to mankind was Doubt.
Would be interesting to see whether people regard June as spring or summer. I think the latter although officially its mostly the former. I think everything will be allowed by June.
Can't believe that 2% think the restrictions will never be lifted.
Why not? 70% of republicans think Trump won? Plenty think the vaccines are to give the govt extra control. Once the govts have more control why would they let us do anything in?
People are not designed to be rational, we get towards it by valuing education and science. Those are no longer valued across the board so alternative fact based irrational lives can be led perfectly well in the modern world, just as they were before the enlightenment.
The 70% figure was those who doubted the integrity of the election, rather than thinking Trump won. And I think much of that is coloured by confirmation bias and simple denial/dissonance.
But your point is well taken. People only accept facts as facts so long as they fall within what is acceptable to them given their fundamental beliefs. For me The Enlightenment's greatest gift to mankind was Doubt.
Would be interesting to see whether people regard June as spring or summer. I think the latter although officially its mostly the former. I think everything will be allowed by June.
Agreed. But you've just got to love the pitch-black pessimism of the 2% 'Never' cohort.
To be fair to them, there is a good Apocalypse in Ambridge to be written (not yet!) about a Covid that does turn out to be vaccine-proof. Or that appeared before rapid vaccine development. Where you have to let it wash over, and accept about a million deaths. Or restrictions forever.
Fortunately, that isn't this one. I wouldn't wish leadership of the country in that situation on anyone.
Would be interesting to see whether people regard June as spring or summer. I think the latter although officially its mostly the former. I think everything will be allowed by June.
Meteorological summer for me. 1 June to 31 August.
Makes date collection a whole lot easier. You just aggregate three calendar months for each season instead of aggregating two months and two bits of two others.
Would be interesting to see whether people regard June as spring or summer. I think the latter although officially its mostly the former. I think everything will be allowed by June.
Can't believe that 2% think the restrictions will never be lifted.
You do realise that 2 or 3% for each answer in a poll is just noise. So those respondents probably pressed the wrong button or didn't really think about the question, or answered maliciously.
Cue Johnson agreeing to something he doesn't fully understand......
Does "Ode To Joy" have lyrics I need to learn? Just in case?
Here you go:
Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium, Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heiligtum! Deine Zauber binden wieder Was die Mode streng geteilt*; Alle Menschen werden Brüder* Wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.
Wem der große Wurf gelungen Eines Freundes Freund zu sein; Wer ein holdes Weib errungen Mische seinen Jubel ein! Ja, wer auch nur eine Seele Sein nennt auf dem Erdenrund! Und wer's nie gekonnt, der stehle Weinend sich aus diesem Bund!
Freude trinken alle Wesen An den Brüsten der Natur; Alle Guten, alle Bösen Folgen ihrer Rosenspur. Küsse gab sie uns und Reben, Einen Freund, geprüft im Tod; Wollust ward dem Wurm gegeben und der Cherub steht vor Gott.
Froh, wie seine Sonnen fliegen Durch des Himmels prächt'gen Plan Laufet, Brüder, eure Bahn, Freudig, wie ein Held zum siegen.
Seid umschlungen, Millionen! Diesen Kuß der ganzen Welt! Brüder, über'm Sternenzelt Muß ein lieber Vater wohnen. Ihr stürzt nieder, Millionen? Ahnest du den Schöpfer, Welt? Such' ihn über'm Sternenzelt! Über Sternen muß er wohnen.
His winning defence seems to have been a told a load of lies.
Why did the police take his blog at face value?
I knew a colleague who swore he left UEA (Norwich) at 2pm, to give a 5 pm lecture at Exeter (around 300 miles) and made it on time... Lots of motorway, but even so...
Even less plausible given he would have had to drive past Birmingham or London. Sometimes takes three hours just to travel the M42, and as for the M25...
Feel brie to do a really good cheese pun.
I camembert these sorts of discussions.
Sadly the tradition of awful puns on PB is just a feta ccompli.
Cue Johnson agreeing to something he doesn't fully understand......
The only differences remaining are on LPF and fishing, the former is irrelevant to most voters, some compromise on the latter with a review woud be acceptable, if Frost then resigns after Boris makes an agreement with Von Der Leyen so be it
Would be interesting to see whether people regard June as spring or summer. I think the latter although officially its mostly the former. I think everything will be allowed by June.
Can't believe that 2% think the restrictions will never be lifted.
You do realise that 2 or 3% for each answer in a poll is just noise. So those respondents probably pressed the wrong button or didn't really think about the question, or answered maliciously.
I think there was a poll once where 2% answered "yes" to the question "Have you ever been decapitated?"
Would be interesting to see whether people regard June as spring or summer. I think the latter although officially its mostly the former. I think everything will be allowed by June.
Meteorological summer for me. 1 June to 31 August.
I can see some sort of milder social distancing carrying on into 2022, but I think the rest of it will be pretty much lifted by the end of May. In that respect, I'd answer Spring.
I think the vaccination will pause at around Easter, whether or not we've reached the 50 year olds. Case rates will likely have gone very low and it will not be thought worth further processing as we still won't know how long immunity lasts. Better to use up the stocks and clear the decks, then resume in September (or just vaccinate against any outbreaks at a local level). There will be other countries who will be glad if the vaccine.
I mean in epidemiological terms, it actually makes sense for the rich countries to get the most vaccine first, this is our outbreak season and over 2/3 of the global population at latitude hugher than 40° is European.
Liz Truss is give or take Gove the most experienced govt minister in the Cabinet.Suprised she was not made Chancellor rather than Zavid last year.Maybe her job is too important for her to have got the job ahead of Sunil. Yep you could argue getting good trade deals was more important than the Treasury in January Stephen Barclay and Ben Wallace might be a decent longshots to be next PM.Both rarely make gaffes and have Northern Roots.
Shagger will tell Von Der Leyen that we will be fine. She says ok and says that she will call him the first Monday back from New Years to see how its all going.
Cue Johnson agreeing to something he doesn't fully understand......
The only differences remaining are on LPF and fishing, the former is irrelevant to most voters, some compromise on the latter with a review woud be acceptable, if Frost then resigns after Boris makes an agreement with Von Der Leyen so be it
I am glad we have you on the inside of the negotiations otherwise we would never know these things....
Is 'Paris/Frankfurt to be new financial hub for continental Europe' the pro-EU version of 'German car makers will save Brexit'?
Is it really pro-EU to suggest Paris hopes to profit at our demise? Anti-Brexit perhaps but not pro-EU.
The point was it is usually pushed as an idea by pro EU people in the same way ardent Brexiteers push the German carmakers idea. Usually, though not universally, it is presented as expecting it to occur and not merely that Paris Hope's it to happen.
Unless Von Der Leyen capitulates it's time for Johnson to be true to his word and go Aussie Deal.
Time to just do it.
Oh do fuck off with this aussie rules nonsense. It's just embarassing, like almost everything the manic Brexiteers fart out.
Aussie Rules is just not Cricket but from The Ashes of our trade talks being abandoned we can take care of ourselves Home and Away, even if with Europe we will now be Neighbours rather than closer each day.
Unless Von Der Leyen capitulates it's time for Johnson to be true to his word and go Aussie Deal.
Time to just do it.
Oh do fuck off with this aussie rules nonsense. It's just embarassing, like almost everything the manic Brexiteers fart out.
Aussie Rules is just not Cricket but from The Ashes of our trade talks being abandoned we can take care of ourselves Home and Away, even if with Europe we will now be Neighbours rather than closer each day.
Unless Von Der Leyen capitulates it's time for Johnson to be true to his word and go Aussie Deal.
Time to just do it.
Oh do fuck off with this aussie rules nonsense. It's just embarassing, like almost everything the manic Brexiteers fart out.
Aussie Rules is just not Cricket but from The Ashes of our trade talks being abandoned we can take care of ourselves Home and Away, even if with Europe we will now be Neighbours rather than closer each day.
Unless Von Der Leyen capitulates it's time for Johnson to be true to his word and go Aussie Deal.
Time to just do it.
Oh do fuck off with this aussie rules nonsense. It's just embarassing, like almost everything the manic Brexiteers fart out.
Aussie Rules is just not Cricket but from The Ashes of our trade talks being abandoned we can take care of ourselves Home and Away, even if with Europe we will now be Neighbours rather than closer each day.
I know you fear the UK becoming a Prisoner, but if Johnson's government messes up our trade links, the public will go Bananas in Pyjamas and our Sons and Daughters won't forgive us.
The Office of Budget Responsibility say a No Deal will lead to the £ falling 5%...2% off GDP and leave 300,000 unemployed. Andrew Bridgen thinks this is OK if we get our sovereignty back. Pity the jobs aren't all in his constituency
Unless Von Der Leyen capitulates it's time for Johnson to be true to his word and go Aussie Deal.
Time to just do it.
Oh do fuck off with this aussie rules nonsense. It's just embarassing, like almost everything the manic Brexiteers fart out.
Aussie Rules is just not Cricket but from The Ashes of our trade talks being abandoned we can take care of ourselves Home and Away, even if with Europe we will now be Neighbours rather than closer each day.
Aussie Rules. Afghanistani Rules. Eritrean Rules.
All the same.
No, I think Afghanistan and Eritrea both have tariff and quota free access to the EU under the Everything but Arms programme.
Unless Von Der Leyen capitulates it's time for Johnson to be true to his word and go Aussie Deal.
Time to just do it.
Oh do fuck off with this aussie rules nonsense. It's just embarassing, like almost everything the manic Brexiteers fart out.
Aussie Rules is just not Cricket but from The Ashes of our trade talks being abandoned we can take care of ourselves Home and Away, even if with Europe we will now be Neighbours rather than closer each day.
Don't get Mad, Max out the Australian imagery.
We don't need another hero, We don't need to know the way home All we want is life beyond the landing zone
I have a soft spot for Liz Truss because of her total lack of embarrassment and because she is the only person I know who runs her own parody Twitter account.
... And to be fair the 3rd country agreements she has been getting have been decent deals. Yes, they are continuity deals, and no, they are not quite as good as the deals they replace and therefore the garbage she spouts about Global Britain is just that. Nevertheless we are leaving the EU and we should make the best of it and those deals are worth having and don't happen automatically.
Unless Von Der Leyen capitulates it's time for Johnson to be true to his word and go Aussie Deal.
Time to just do it.
Oh do fuck off with this aussie rules nonsense. It's just embarassing, like almost everything the manic Brexiteers fart out.
Aussie Rules is just not Cricket but from The Ashes of our trade talks being abandoned we can take care of ourselves Home and Away, even if with Europe we will now be Neighbours rather than closer each day.
Don't get Mad, Max out the Australian imagery.
We don't need another hero, We don't need to know the way home All we want is life beyond the Eurozone
Sam Coates seemed to think it is threatre. Claims Britain needs to appear that there is drama and the EU comprise on something.
This is the million dollar question. Is it theatre, genuinely stuck talks, or a need to sign off potential concessions from the negotiating team. Who knows? I'm going to now drink whisky and watch Mando.
Sam Coates seemed to think it is threatre. Claims Britain needs to appear that there is drama and the EU comprise on something.
This is the million dollar question. Is it theatre, genuinely stuck talks, or a need to sign off potential concessions from the negotiating team. Who knows? I'm going to now drink whisky and watch Mando.
Best episode so far.....mando that is, not brexit saga.
Unless Von Der Leyen capitulates it's time for Johnson to be true to his word and go Aussie Deal.
Time to just do it.
Oh do fuck off with this aussie rules nonsense. It's just embarassing, like almost everything the manic Brexiteers fart out.
Aussie Rules is just not Cricket but from The Ashes of our trade talks being abandoned we can take care of ourselves Home and Away, even if with Europe we will now be Neighbours rather than closer each day.
I know you fear the UK becoming a Prisoner, but if Johnson's government messes up our trade links, the public will go Bananas in Pyjamas and our Sons and Daughters won't forgive us.
I think the impetus has gone Walkabout. If we are not careful we will be on our own, Outback where we were in the 1960s.
Sam Coates seemed to think it is threatre. Claims Britain needs to appear that there is drama and the EU comprise on something.
This is the million dollar question. Is it theatre, genuinely stuck talks, or a need to sign off potential concessions from the negotiating team. Who knows? I'm going to now drink whisky and watch Mando.
Johnson wants a deal but doesn't want to make the compromises necessary to get the deal, Nothing has changed for the last six months. You would have to look into his mind but I think he wants the deal because a deal means Brexit success and it won't be a success without it. He doesn't want to compromise for a deal because that means compromising Brexit itself.
Unless Von Der Leyen capitulates it's time for Johnson to be true to his word and go Aussie Deal.
Time to just do it.
Oh do fuck off with this aussie rules nonsense. It's just embarassing, like almost everything the manic Brexiteers fart out.
Aussie Rules is just not Cricket but from The Ashes of our trade talks being abandoned we can take care of ourselves Home and Away, even if with Europe we will now be Neighbours rather than closer each day.
I know you fear the UK becoming a Prisoner, but if Johnson's government messes up our trade links, the public will go Bananas in Pyjamas and our Sons and Daughters won't forgive us.
I think the impetus has gone Walkabout. If we are not careful we will be on our own, Outback where we were in the 1960s.
That can't be right - Johnson has an oven-ready deal he can just pop in the kookaburra.
The Office of Budget Responsibility say a No Deal will lead to the £ falling 5%...2% off GDP and leave 300,000 unemployed. Andrew Bridgen thinks this is OK if we get our sovereignty back. Pity the jobs aren't all in his constituency
Yet this is the same argument that has been used since March in respect of Covid. Health vs Wealth - the economic and latterly mental health cost of "lockdown" in terms of lost jobs and GDP against the health benefits of keeping people alive even if they are, as some would have it on here, "sick oldies" and "obese slobs".
Now we have Sovereignty vs Wealth. The ability to make our own decisions, to be "free" of the pernicious EU set against the economic costs in terms of lost jobs and GDP.
It's the same argument - essentially, is the economy all that matters? Is wealth generation and economic well-being more important than health or sovereignty?
It cuts to the heart of who are, how we see ourselves and the priorities we would set for ourselves, our society and our country.
Unless Von Der Leyen capitulates it's time for Johnson to be true to his word and go Aussie Deal.
Time to just do it.
Oh do fuck off with this aussie rules nonsense. It's just embarassing, like almost everything the manic Brexiteers fart out.
Aussie Rules is just not Cricket but from The Ashes of our trade talks being abandoned we can take care of ourselves Home and Away, even if with Europe we will now be Neighbours rather than closer each day.
I know you fear the UK becoming a Prisoner, but if Johnson's government messes up our trade links, the public will go Bananas in Pyjamas and our Sons and Daughters won't forgive us.
I think the impetus has gone Walkabout. If we are not careful we will be on our own, Outback where we were in the 1960s.
We could find ourselves up Jacob's Creek without a paddle.
Unless Von Der Leyen capitulates it's time for Johnson to be true to his word and go Aussie Deal.
Time to just do it.
Oh do fuck off with this aussie rules nonsense. It's just embarassing, like almost everything the manic Brexiteers fart out.
Aussie Rules is just not Cricket but from The Ashes of our trade talks being abandoned we can take care of ourselves Home and Away, even if with Europe we will now be Neighbours rather than closer each day.
I know you fear the UK becoming a Prisoner, but if Johnson's government messes up our trade links, the public will go Bananas in Pyjamas and our Sons and Daughters won't forgive us.
I think the impetus has gone Walkabout. If we are not careful we will be on our own, Outback where we were in the 1960s.
We could find ourselves up Jacob's Creek without a paddle.
The Office of Budget Responsibility say a No Deal will lead to the £ falling 5%...2% off GDP and leave 300,000 unemployed. Andrew Bridgen thinks this is OK if we get our sovereignty back. Pity the jobs aren't all in his constituency
Yet this is the same argument that has been used since March in respect of Covid. Health vs Wealth - the economic and latterly mental health cost of "lockdown" in terms of lost jobs and GDP against the health benefits of keeping people alive even if they are, as some would have it on here, "sick oldies" and "obese slobs".
Now we have Sovereignty vs Wealth. The ability to make our own decisions, to be "free" of the pernicious EU set against the economic costs in terms of lost jobs and GDP.
It's the same argument - essentially, is the economy all that matters? Is wealth generation and economic well-being more important than health or sovereignty?
It cuts to the heart of who are, how we see ourselves and the priorities we would set for ourselves, our society and our country.
Something that bothers me about the sovereignty argument...
If you Brexit you get more fish. Whether you can sell it is another matter, but you get more of it. Sovereignty win. Almost all the other direct consequences of Brexit are bad and some very bad: stuff you could do easily and freely before becomes difficult and costly, maybe impossible. No-one chose or wants more red tape, cost, delay,only being able to do things at the whim of foreign officials. Where's the sovereignty in that? Surely the very definition of sovereignty is being able to choose the outcomes we want? Yet Brexit means we get fewer of the outcomes we want.
Unless Von Der Leyen capitulates it's time for Johnson to be true to his word and go Aussie Deal.
Time to just do it.
Oh do fuck off with this aussie rules nonsense. It's just embarassing, like almost everything the manic Brexiteers fart out.
Aussie Rules is just not Cricket but from The Ashes of our trade talks being abandoned we can take care of ourselves Home and Away, even if with Europe we will now be Neighbours rather than closer each day.
I know you fear the UK becoming a Prisoner, but if Johnson's government messes up our trade links, the public will go Bananas in Pyjamas and our Sons and Daughters won't forgive us.
I think the impetus has gone Walkabout. If we are not careful we will be on our own, Outback where we were in the 1960s.
We could find ourselves up Jacob's Creek without a paddle.
You wouldn't need one. It's only 30.48 cm wide and 50.8mm deep.
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https://twitter.com/tonytiger67/status/1334784485687169024/photo/1
Interesting to see the number continuing to edge up. It now stands at close to 158.5m votes cast, with Biden 7m+ ahead of Trump.
Their bullshit polls are as valuable as the utterances of the oaf Trump.
While we count the days till Christmas, the Americans keep on counting their election and two notable landmarks now reached.
First, Biden has swept past 81 million votes and his lead over Trump is now over 7 million. Current tallies according to CBS News are Biden 81,271,827 and Trump 74,216,269.
Only Maryland (97%) and Iowa (98%) are less than 99% counted and New York has made a big push to get its vote counted and now claims 100% in with Biden winning by 23 points or just shy of 2 million votes.
People are not designed to be rational, we get towards it by valuing education and science. Those are no longer valued across the board so alternative fact based irrational lives can be led perfectly well in the modern world, just as they were before the enlightenment.
I just need to be sure that my bank manager won’t freeze my account when she sees I’ve ordered a Hawaiian with extra pineapple on.
But your point is well taken. People only accept facts as facts so long as they fall within what is acceptable to them given their fundamental beliefs. For me The Enlightenment's greatest gift to mankind was Doubt.
https://twitter.com/redhistorian/status/1334891114407600129?s=20
ABSTRACT
In the wake of the 2016 referendum, the idea that ‘imperial nostalgia’ motivated the Leave vote became a staple of academic commentary. Yet such claims suffer from four important flaws. They are usually polemical in character; they suggest, at least implicitly, that only Leave voters are subject to imperial patterns of thought; they fail to differentiate between Commonwealth and imperial loyalties; and they conflate ‘nostalgia’ with ‘amnesia’. This article deploys a longer historical perspective to offer a new reading of the relationship between Brexit and Empire, focusing on the ways in which empire is remembered and articulated. It shows how imperial modes of thought shaped the views of pro-Europeans, as well as their opponents, and explores the changing uses of the Commonwealth. It pays particular attention to the views of Black and Asian voters – a cohort that disrupts many conventional assumptions about Brexit – and shows how empire was excised from histories of ‘Global Britain’, in a manner that minimises the significance of decolonisation. As such, it presents the legacies of empire, not as a disorder to which only half the population is subject, but as a common cultural inheritance through which all sides of the European debate think and argue.
'I know and there's no horse in the horseradish'
(Tommy Cooper)
This poll has Trump voters (so not all Republicans) splitting 73% Trump won, and 3% thinking Biden won with the rest unsure.
European Commission President Ursula Von Der Leyen and PM Boris Johnson will discuss the situation on Saturday.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55191432
Fortunately, that isn't this one. I wouldn't wish leadership of the country in that situation on anyone.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55194988
Time to just do it.
Freude, schöner Götterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische, dein Heiligtum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder
Was die Mode streng geteilt*;
Alle Menschen werden Brüder*
Wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.
Wem der große Wurf gelungen
Eines Freundes Freund zu sein;
Wer ein holdes Weib errungen
Mische seinen Jubel ein!
Ja, wer auch nur eine Seele
Sein nennt auf dem Erdenrund!
Und wer's nie gekonnt, der stehle
Weinend sich aus diesem Bund!
Freude trinken alle Wesen
An den Brüsten der Natur;
Alle Guten, alle Bösen
Folgen ihrer Rosenspur.
Küsse gab sie uns und Reben,
Einen Freund, geprüft im Tod;
Wollust ward dem Wurm gegeben
und der Cherub steht vor Gott.
Froh, wie seine Sonnen fliegen
Durch des Himmels prächt'gen Plan
Laufet, Brüder, eure Bahn,
Freudig, wie ein Held zum siegen.
Seid umschlungen, Millionen!
Diesen Kuß der ganzen Welt!
Brüder, über'm Sternenzelt
Muß ein lieber Vater wohnen.
Ihr stürzt nieder, Millionen?
Ahnest du den Schöpfer, Welt?
Such' ihn über'm Sternenzelt!
Über Sternen muß er wohnen.
Quietly competent, getting on with the job, winds up the right Turnip Taliban people and is a genuinely liberal and dry Conservative.
I would 100% be happy with her.
I think the vaccination will pause at around Easter, whether or not we've reached the 50 year olds. Case rates will likely have gone very low and it will not be thought worth further processing as we still won't know how long immunity lasts. Better to use up the stocks and clear the decks, then resume in September (or just vaccinate against any outbreaks at a local level). There will be other countries who will be glad if the vaccine.
I mean in epidemiological terms, it actually makes sense for the rich countries to get the most vaccine first, this is our outbreak season and over 2/3 of the global population at latitude hugher than 40° is European.
He keeps appearing after Peter Bone or Andrew Bridgen which makes his urbanity even more obvious
Yep you could argue getting good trade deals was more important than the Treasury in January
Stephen Barclay and Ben Wallace might be a decent longshots to be next PM.Both rarely make gaffes and have Northern Roots.
But.
If the Brexit vision depends on Boris Johnson being true to his word, we're in more trouble than I thought.
Afghanistani Rules.
Eritrean Rules.
All the same.
We don't need to know the way home
All we want is life beyond the landing zone
... And to be fair the 3rd country agreements she has been getting have been decent deals. Yes, they are continuity deals, and no, they are not quite as good as the deals they replace and therefore the garbage she spouts about Global Britain is just that. Nevertheless we are leaving the EU and we should make the best of it and those deals are worth having and don't happen automatically.
Now we have Sovereignty vs Wealth. The ability to make our own decisions, to be "free" of the pernicious EU set against the economic costs in terms of lost jobs and GDP.
It's the same argument - essentially, is the economy all that matters? Is wealth generation and economic well-being more important than health or sovereignty?
It cuts to the heart of who are, how we see ourselves and the priorities we would set for ourselves, our society and our country.
I had to leave the room when Michael Bolton came on.
If you Brexit you get more fish. Whether you can sell it is another matter, but you get more of it. Sovereignty win. Almost all the other direct consequences of Brexit are bad and some very bad: stuff you could do easily and freely before becomes difficult and costly, maybe impossible. No-one chose or wants more red tape, cost, delay,only being able to do things at the whim of foreign officials. Where's the sovereignty in that? Surely the very definition of sovereignty is being able to choose the outcomes we want? Yet Brexit means we get fewer of the outcomes we want.
Am I missing something obvious?