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Liz Truss now edges above Sunak in latest CONHome members’ survey – politicalbetting.com

I do like the way month by month CON home carries its survey of the views of party members on Cabinet ministers and the latest has a new leader – Liz Truss Secretary of State for International Trade and President of the Board of Trade and former President of the Oxford University Liberal Democrats.

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OnlyLivingBoy

I didn't know that Truss experimented with the Lib Dems at university. Presumably her Labour-supporting parents were glad to see her go full Tory, better to pick a side at least.

TheScreamingEagles

OnlyLivingBoy said:

I didn't know that Truss experimented with the Lib Dems at university. Presumably her Labour-supporting parents were glad to see her go full Tory, better to pick a side at least.

She was a Republican as well.

Jonathan

In Liz we Truss (to deliver us a Labour majority)

williamglenn

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

I didn't know that Truss experimented with the Lib Dems at university. Presumably her Labour-supporting parents were glad to see her go full Tory, better to pick a side at least.

She was a Republican as well.

Worse, she was a Remainer.

TheScreamingEagles

The problem Truss would have in any leadership contest is that she manages to enrage the Tory Taliban.

She does have form.

OnlyLivingBoy

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

I didn't know that Truss experimented with the Lib Dems at university. Presumably her Labour-supporting parents were glad to see her go full Tory, better to pick a side at least.

She was a Republican as well.

I knew there was a reason I didn't like her.

Fenman

OnlyLivingBoy said:

I didn't know that Truss experimented with the Lib Dems at university. Presumably her Labour-supporting parents were glad to see her go full Tory, better to pick a side at least.

Most us experiment with wacky back.

TheScreamingEagles

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

I didn't know that Truss experimented with the Lib Dems at university. Presumably her Labour-supporting parents were glad to see her go full Tory, better to pick a side at least.

She was a Republican as well.

I knew there was a reason I didn't like her.

Is why I like her, we Tory Republicans generally don't admit our opposition to a hereditary head of state in public.

But we do exist.

Stark_Dawning

Has she recently done something to explain this rise? What have I missed?

OldKingCole

Got to be the silly season, surely.

TheScreamingEagles

She was a terrible Lord Chancellor, an absolute disgrace, as she quietly went along with the assault on the judiciary.

Put it this way, she has less integrity some GOPers.

TheScreamingEagles

Stark_Dawning said:

Has she recently done something to explain this rise? What have I missed?

She's been banging on about all the new trade deals she's signed with the rest of the world, but in reality they are at best rollover of our existing conditions.

noneoftheabove

TheScreamingEagles said:

She was a terrible Lord Chancellor, an absolute disgrace, as she quietly went along with the assault on the judiciary.

Put it this way, she has less integrity some GOPers.

Judging by recent leaders of the big parties I am assuming this information is corroborating the tip?

williamglenn

Stark_Dawning said:

Has she recently done something to explain this rise? What have I missed?

She's making Global Britain Great Again.

https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1334472682184859648

OnlyLivingBoy

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

I didn't know that Truss experimented with the Lib Dems at university. Presumably her Labour-supporting parents were glad to see her go full Tory, better to pick a side at least.

She was a Republican as well.

I knew there was a reason I didn't like her.

Is why I like her, we Tory Republicans generally don't admit our opposition to a hereditary head of state in public.

But we do exist.

Aren't there a surprisingly large number of Tory Republicans on this site? I've always found the Royal Family the least offensive part of the English class system, personally. On balance I think they're a good thing, although you could make a case for their abolition on compassionate grounds.

TheScreamingEagles

noneoftheabove said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

She was a terrible Lord Chancellor, an absolute disgrace, as she quietly went along with the assault on the judiciary.

Put it this way, she has less integrity some GOPers.

Judging by recent leaders of the big parties I am assuming this information is corroborating the tip?

Sadly I think you're right.

Fysics_Teacher

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

I didn't know that Truss experimented with the Lib Dems at university. Presumably her Labour-supporting parents were glad to see her go full Tory, better to pick a side at least.

She was a Republican as well.

I remember telling an American that republicans were not at all popular in the UK. He, as a Democrat was very pleased, and I didn't have the heart to explain.

Morris_Dancer

F1: I'll be off fairly shortly, but practice 2: practice harder will be starting shortly.

RobD

williamglenn said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Has she recently done something to explain this rise? What have I missed?

She's making Global Britain Great Again.

https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1334472682184859648

To be fair a lot of agreements have been done/rolled over. If this was the only one you may have had a point.

Stocky

Re header - I`m not surprised. Some Conservative voters are very unhappy about the amount of money that Sunak is chucking around.

DecrepiterJohnL

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Stark_Dawning

TheScreamingEagles said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Has she recently done something to explain this rise? What have I missed?

She's been banging on about all the new trade deals she's signed with the rest of the world, but in reality they are at best rollover of our existing conditions.

Ah, I see. Lots of appearances on the front page of the Daily Express with a Union Jack halo I take it.

TheScreamingEagles

Anyhoo, she's a homewrecker, the blue rinse mob hate that type of woman.

noneoftheabove

TheScreamingEagles said:

Anyhoo, she's a homewrecker, the blue rinse mob hate that of woman.

Its the blue kippers in charge now, not the blue rinsers.

Carnyx

OnlyLivingBoy said:

I didn't know that Truss experimented with the Lib Dems at university. Presumably her Labour-supporting parents were glad to see her go full Tory, better to pick a side at least.

Specalised perversions, innit? Thay's what uni is for, to try them out without M and D knowing.

TheScreamingEagles

noneoftheabove said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Anyhoo, she's a homewrecker, the blue rinse mob hate that of woman.

Its the blue kippers in charge now, not the blue rinsers.

But the membership still has the final say.

DecrepiterJohnL

Re education (and last thread) -- people here are out of touch. It's not just about schools any more. The rapidly expanding parts of private education are tutoring, and tutoring for groups in what used to be shops. I pass three or four of these places on my daily walk to buy fish and chips. At least one pb regular is a private tutor, of course.

HYUFD

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

I didn't know that Truss experimented with the Lib Dems at university. Presumably her Labour-supporting parents were glad to see her go full Tory, better to pick a side at least.

She was a Republican as well.

I knew there was a reason I didn't like her.

Is why I like her, we Tory Republicans generally don't admit our opposition to a hereditary head of state in public.

But we do exist.

Aren't there a surprisingly large number of Tory Republicans on this site? I've always found the Royal Family the least offensive part of the English class system, personally. On balance I think they're a good thing, although you could make a case for their abolition on compassionate grounds.

None of them are actually genuine Tories of course, including the LD voting TSE and the New Labour and Farage voting Philip Thompson

noneoftheabove

TheScreamingEagles said:

noneoftheabove said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Anyhoo, she's a homewrecker, the blue rinse mob hate that of woman.

Its the blue kippers in charge now, not the blue rinsers.

But the membership still has the final say.

Members average age 57, 71% male, blue rinsers are the past in more ways than one.

Andy_JS

What was the point of the long Welsh lockdown. Did it achieve anything?

DecrepiterJohnL

HYUFD said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

I didn't know that Truss experimented with the Lib Dems at university. Presumably her Labour-supporting parents were glad to see her go full Tory, better to pick a side at least.

She was a Republican as well.

I knew there was a reason I didn't like her.

Is why I like her, we Tory Republicans generally don't admit our opposition to a hereditary head of state in public.

But we do exist.

Aren't there a surprisingly large number of Tory Republicans on this site? I've always found the Royal Family the least offensive part of the English class system, personally. On balance I think they're a good thing, although you could make a case for their abolition on compassionate grounds.

None of them are actually genuine Tories of course, including the LD voting TSE and the New Labour and Farage voting Philip Thompson

For a second I thought you meant the Royal Family are not genuine Tories! Mind you, it was often said HMQ's favourite PM was Harold Wilson (when they weren't saying it was Winston or Maggie).

FrancisUrquhart

John O'Groats-Land's End 'record speed' driver cleared

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-55177486

His winning defence seems to have been a told a load of lies.

Nigelb

HYUFD said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

I didn't know that Truss experimented with the Lib Dems at university. Presumably her Labour-supporting parents were glad to see her go full Tory, better to pick a side at least.

She was a Republican as well.

I knew there was a reason I didn't like her.

Is why I like her, we Tory Republicans generally don't admit our opposition to a hereditary head of state in public.

But we do exist.

Aren't there a surprisingly large number of Tory Republicans on this site? I've always found the Royal Family the least offensive part of the English class system, personally. On balance I think they're a good thing, although you could make a case for their abolition on compassionate grounds.

None of them are actually genuine Tories of course, including the LD voting TSE and the New Labour and Farage voting Philip Thompson

You’re just a Phanatique.

rcs1000

williamglenn said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Has she recently done something to explain this rise? What have I missed?

She's making Global Britain Great Again.

https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1334472682184859648

I don't believe trade between the UK and North Macedonia is worth anywhere near £1.8bn.

See: https://oec.world/en/profile/country/mkd#:~:text=The top imports of North,, and Cars ($241M).

Andy_JS

FrancisUrquhart said:

John O'Groats-Land's End 'record speed' driver cleared

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-55177486

His winning defence seems to have been a told a load of lies.

Why did the police take his blog at face value?

TheScreamingEagles

FrancisUrquhart said:

John O'Groats-Land's End 'record speed' driver cleared

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-55177486

His winning defence seems to have been a told a load of lies.

I thought the GPS data in his car and phone proved that he must have broken the speed limit?

FrancisUrquhart

Greater Manchester councils have become the latest to pause rapid testing for care home visitors over concerns they fail to detect enough infections.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55188183

kinabalu

Bewildering lack of cheese jokes.

If nobody else can be bothered, nor can I.

RobD

rcs1000 said:

williamglenn said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Has she recently done something to explain this rise? What have I missed?

She's making Global Britain Great Again.

https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1334472682184859648

I don't believe trade between the UK and North Macedonia is worth anywhere near £1.8bn.

See: https://oec.world/en/profile/country/mkd#:~:text=The top imports of North,, and Cars ($241M).

It says exports to UK alone worth $1bn, so not too far fetched?

IshmaelZ

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

I didn't know that Truss experimented with the Lib Dems at university. Presumably her Labour-supporting parents were glad to see her go full Tory, better to pick a side at least.

She was a Republican as well.

I knew there was a reason I didn't like her.

Is why I like her, we Tory Republicans generally don't admit our opposition to a hereditary head of state in public.

But we do exist.

Aren't there a surprisingly large number of Tory Republicans on this site? I've always found the Royal Family the least offensive part of the English class system, personally. On balance I think they're a good thing, although you could make a case for their abolition on compassionate grounds.

Their advantages are negative, but irresistible nonetheless. They don't have to steal everything, because they already own everything, and they don't have to change the rules to stay in place for another four years, or for life, because they are already in place for life. This makes things safer and more comfortable all round.

TSE is a passionate repressed francophile, and just can't hear the garlic-munching scoundrels maundering on in their ridiculous accent about mongseer le prayseedawn without thinking, sacré bleu, I want some of that.

noneoftheabove

rcs1000 said:

williamglenn said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Has she recently done something to explain this rise? What have I missed?

She's making Global Britain Great Again.

https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1334472682184859648

I don't believe trade between the UK and North Macedonia is worth anywhere near £1.8bn.

See: https://oec.world/en/profile/country/mkd#:~:text=The top imports of North,, and Cars ($241M).

She didnt say over how many years it is worth £1.8bn.

HYUFD

DecrepiterJohnL said:

HYUFD said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

I didn't know that Truss experimented with the Lib Dems at university. Presumably her Labour-supporting parents were glad to see her go full Tory, better to pick a side at least.

She was a Republican as well.

I knew there was a reason I didn't like her.

Is why I like her, we Tory Republicans generally don't admit our opposition to a hereditary head of state in public.

But we do exist.

Aren't there a surprisingly large number of Tory Republicans on this site? I've always found the Royal Family the least offensive part of the English class system, personally. On balance I think they're a good thing, although you could make a case for their abolition on compassionate grounds.

None of them are actually genuine Tories of course, including the LD voting TSE and the New Labour and Farage voting Philip Thompson

For a second I thought you meant the Royal Family are not genuine Tories! Mind you, it was often said HMQ's favourite PM was Harold Wilson (when they weren't saying it was Winston or Maggie).

I believe he was, Prince Charles is the definition of a LD if ever there was one, Prince Harry (if he still counts as royal) and Meghan are definitely now Starmer Labour. Prince William and the Duchess of Cambridge and maybe Camilla and the Duke of Edinburgh are Tories, though the Cambridges of the Cameroon kind, I think only the Queen Mother was a Thatcherite and reputedly sympathetic to UKIP

kinabalu

Andy_JS said:

What was the point of the long Welsh lockdown. Did it achieve anything?

Info on PT from @rkrkrk is that infections now are approx one third what they were projected to be (now) if there had been no firebreak.

In which case it did achieve something - being that many less infections.

Roger

I can't say I like either of them. Sunak's naked ambition would embarrass Trump and Truss doesn't seem much more engaging than Long Bailey. Time to call for the heavy guns. Get George Osborne back.

OnlyLivingBoy

HYUFD said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

I didn't know that Truss experimented with the Lib Dems at university. Presumably her Labour-supporting parents were glad to see her go full Tory, better to pick a side at least.

She was a Republican as well.

I knew there was a reason I didn't like her.

Is why I like her, we Tory Republicans generally don't admit our opposition to a hereditary head of state in public.

But we do exist.

Aren't there a surprisingly large number of Tory Republicans on this site? I've always found the Royal Family the least offensive part of the English class system, personally. On balance I think they're a good thing, although you could make a case for their abolition on compassionate grounds.

None of them are actually genuine Tories of course, including the LD voting TSE and the New Labour and Farage voting Philip Thompson

Well I've never voted Tory and I don't support the Union anymore, but I am still a loyal subject of HMQ. Perhaps I will be given a cushy spot in your gulag, breaking not very hard rocks, serving Philip Thomson his 17 daily cups of decaf coffee or making sure TSE eats up the pineapple on his pizza.

HYUFD

OnlyLivingBoy said:

HYUFD said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

I didn't know that Truss experimented with the Lib Dems at university. Presumably her Labour-supporting parents were glad to see her go full Tory, better to pick a side at least.

She was a Republican as well.

I knew there was a reason I didn't like her.

Is why I like her, we Tory Republicans generally don't admit our opposition to a hereditary head of state in public.

But we do exist.

Aren't there a surprisingly large number of Tory Republicans on this site? I've always found the Royal Family the least offensive part of the English class system, personally. On balance I think they're a good thing, although you could make a case for their abolition on compassionate grounds.

None of them are actually genuine Tories of course, including the LD voting TSE and the New Labour and Farage voting Philip Thompson

Well I've never voted Tory and I don't support the Union anymore, but I am still a loyal subject of HMQ. Perhaps I will be given a cushy spot in your gulag, breaking not very hard rocks, serving Philip Thomson his 17 daily cups of decaf coffee or making sure TSE eats up the pineapple on his pizza.

Well as Philip Thompson does not support the Union either, that makes you more of a Tory than he is still in my book

TheScreamingEagles

FrancisUrquhart said:

Greater Manchester councils have become the latest to pause rapid testing for care home visitors over concerns they fail to detect enough infections.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55188183

Too many false negatives?

Carnyx

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Re education (and last thread) -- people here are out of touch. It's not just about schools any more. The rapidly expanding parts of private education are tutoring, and tutoring for groups in what used to be shops. I pass three or four of these places on my daily walk to buy fish and chips. At least one pb regular is a private tutor, of course.

Indeed. I was surprised to find just now how many hits on Google for 'common entrance' exams are such establishments.

RochdalePioneers

Andy_JS said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

John O'Groats-Land's End 'record speed' driver cleared

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-55177486

His winning defence seems to have been a told a load of lies.

Why did the police take his blog at face value?

Wasn't he the guy who had a rolling refuelling rig built out of an Audi estate? It was a very funny post. But wasn't remotely real.

MaxPB

TheScreamingEagles said:

The problem Truss would have in any leadership contest is that she manages to enrage the Tory Taliban.

She does have form.

Because of all the affairs?

kinabalu

OnlyLivingBoy said:

HYUFD said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

I didn't know that Truss experimented with the Lib Dems at university. Presumably her Labour-supporting parents were glad to see her go full Tory, better to pick a side at least.

She was a Republican as well.

I knew there was a reason I didn't like her.

Is why I like her, we Tory Republicans generally don't admit our opposition to a hereditary head of state in public.

But we do exist.

Aren't there a surprisingly large number of Tory Republicans on this site? I've always found the Royal Family the least offensive part of the English class system, personally. On balance I think they're a good thing, although you could make a case for their abolition on compassionate grounds.

None of them are actually genuine Tories of course, including the LD voting TSE and the New Labour and Farage voting Philip Thompson

Well I've never voted Tory and I don't support the Union anymore, but I am still a loyal subject of HMQ. Perhaps I will be given a cushy spot in your gulag, breaking not very hard rocks, serving Philip Thomson his 17 daily cups of decaf coffee or making sure TSE eats up the pineapple on his pizza.

Decaf?

That's an easy assumption to make but I can't recall seeing it confirmed.

Roger

The reason Johnson is down to 2.9 is because in the immortal words of Jess Phillips "He's a liar. He's just a liar" . There was a time when the zeitgeist was happy with liars whether daubed on the side of busses or sent out on tweets but not now. The pendulum has swung and It doesn't look like it'll swing back soon.

OldKingCole

rcs1000 said:

williamglenn said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Has she recently done something to explain this rise? What have I missed?

She's making Global Britain Great Again.

https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1334472682184859648

I don't believe trade between the UK and North Macedonia is worth anywhere near £1.8bn.

See: https://oec.world/en/profile/country/mkd#:~:text=The top imports of North,, and Cars ($241M).

There’s some reasonable wine in North Macedonia.

FrancisUrquhart

Andy_JS said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

John O'Groats-Land's End 'record speed' driver cleared

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-55177486

His winning defence seems to have been a told a load of lies.

Why did the police take his blog at face value?

His defence was even more "interesting". He claimed he did make the trip but he was not the driver. He said he was a passenger in a similar looking Audi which was being driven by Irish friends he met within the car enthusiast community.

Present but not involved....

Roger

Mayor of Liverpool arrested for swindling! Not good for Labour if true

Richard_Nabavi

To be fair to Liz Truss, she has at least been getting on with the job of achieving the continuity trade deals to replace a small amount of what we would otherwise be losing. It's no more than any average minister in her position should be able to do, but in this government a spot of average competence does rather stand out as excellent in comparison to, say, the Education department. Of course, she massively overstates the importance of these deals, which no doubt endears her to the faithful. The 100-1 does look worth a small punt.

The Cabinet minister who seems to be most underrated is Thérèse Coffey, who seems to be quietly getting on with her job and under whose management the DWP seems to have managed the huge additional take-up of Universal Credit without any of the usual screw-ups. I suppose quiet competence counts for little, though. You need to add a Sunak-style dose of self-promotion.

noneoftheabove

HYUFD said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

HYUFD said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

I didn't know that Truss experimented with the Lib Dems at university. Presumably her Labour-supporting parents were glad to see her go full Tory, better to pick a side at least.

She was a Republican as well.

I knew there was a reason I didn't like her.

Is why I like her, we Tory Republicans generally don't admit our opposition to a hereditary head of state in public.

But we do exist.

Aren't there a surprisingly large number of Tory Republicans on this site? I've always found the Royal Family the least offensive part of the English class system, personally. On balance I think they're a good thing, although you could make a case for their abolition on compassionate grounds.

None of them are actually genuine Tories of course, including the LD voting TSE and the New Labour and Farage voting Philip Thompson

For a second I thought you meant the Royal Family are not genuine Tories! Mind you, it was often said HMQ's favourite PM was Harold Wilson (when they weren't saying it was Winston or Maggie).

I believe he was, Prince Charles is the definition of a LD if ever there was one, Prince Harry (if he still counts as royal) and Meghan are definitely now Starmer Labour. Prince William and the Duchess of Cambridge and maybe Camilla and the Duke of Edinburgh are Tories, though the Cambridges of the Cameroon kind, I think only the Queen Mother was a Thatcherite and reputedly sympathetic to UKIP

Any insider thoughts on the likely next Tory leader?

OnlyLivingBoy

rcs1000 said:

williamglenn said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Has she recently done something to explain this rise? What have I missed?

She's making Global Britain Great Again.

https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1334472682184859648

I don't believe trade between the UK and North Macedonia is worth anywhere near £1.8bn.

See: https://oec.world/en/profile/country/mkd#:~:text=The top imports of North,, and Cars ($241M).

Surprisingly, it's not total bollocks. The combined value of bilateral trade was about £1.2bn ($1.7bn) in 2019 according to IMF data. So the figure looks wrong, but in the right kind of ballpark. In fact by the standards of government ministers discussing economic statistics I would say it is highly accurate.

Roger

MaxPB said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

The problem Truss would have in any leadership contest is that she manages to enrage the Tory Taliban.

She does have form.

Because of all the affairs?

Are you trying to empty parliament?

TheScreamingEagles

IshmaelZ said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

I didn't know that Truss experimented with the Lib Dems at university. Presumably her Labour-supporting parents were glad to see her go full Tory, better to pick a side at least.

She was a Republican as well.

I knew there was a reason I didn't like her.

Is why I like her, we Tory Republicans generally don't admit our opposition to a hereditary head of state in public.

But we do exist.

Aren't there a surprisingly large number of Tory Republicans on this site? I've always found the Royal Family the least offensive part of the English class system, personally. On balance I think they're a good thing, although you could make a case for their abolition on compassionate grounds.

Their advantages are negative, but irresistible nonetheless. They don't have to steal everything, because they already own everything, and they don't have to change the rules to stay in place for another four years, or for life, because they are already in place for life. This makes things safer and more comfortable all round.

TSE is a passionate repressed francophile, and just can't hear the garlic-munching scoundrels maundering on in their ridiculous accent about mongseer le prayseedawn without thinking, sacré bleu, I want some of that.

Repressed Francophole? LOL next you'll be saying on Christmas Eve I'll be watching Die Hard whilst eating a pizza with pineapple on it.

HYUFD

noneoftheabove said:

HYUFD said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

HYUFD said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

I didn't know that Truss experimented with the Lib Dems at university. Presumably her Labour-supporting parents were glad to see her go full Tory, better to pick a side at least.

She was a Republican as well.

I knew there was a reason I didn't like her.

Is why I like her, we Tory Republicans generally don't admit our opposition to a hereditary head of state in public.

But we do exist.

Aren't there a surprisingly large number of Tory Republicans on this site? I've always found the Royal Family the least offensive part of the English class system, personally. On balance I think they're a good thing, although you could make a case for their abolition on compassionate grounds.

None of them are actually genuine Tories of course, including the LD voting TSE and the New Labour and Farage voting Philip Thompson

For a second I thought you meant the Royal Family are not genuine Tories! Mind you, it was often said HMQ's favourite PM was Harold Wilson (when they weren't saying it was Winston or Maggie).

I believe he was, Prince Charles is the definition of a LD if ever there was one, Prince Harry (if he still counts as royal) and Meghan are definitely now Starmer Labour. Prince William and the Duchess of Cambridge and maybe Camilla and the Duke of Edinburgh are Tories, though the Cambridges of the Cameroon kind, I think only the Queen Mother was a Thatcherite and reputedly sympathetic to UKIP

Any insider thoughts on the likely next Tory leader?

Sunak but we have to get the Brexit Deal sorted and Covid vaccination sorted first before even considering that and Boris can stay leader and PM for the foreseeable as far as I am concerned

OnlyLivingBoy

kinabalu said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

HYUFD said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

I didn't know that Truss experimented with the Lib Dems at university. Presumably her Labour-supporting parents were glad to see her go full Tory, better to pick a side at least.

She was a Republican as well.

I knew there was a reason I didn't like her.

Is why I like her, we Tory Republicans generally don't admit our opposition to a hereditary head of state in public.

But we do exist.

Aren't there a surprisingly large number of Tory Republicans on this site? I've always found the Royal Family the least offensive part of the English class system, personally. On balance I think they're a good thing, although you could make a case for their abolition on compassionate grounds.

None of them are actually genuine Tories of course, including the LD voting TSE and the New Labour and Farage voting Philip Thompson

Well I've never voted Tory and I don't support the Union anymore, but I am still a loyal subject of HMQ. Perhaps I will be given a cushy spot in your gulag, breaking not very hard rocks, serving Philip Thomson his 17 daily cups of decaf coffee or making sure TSE eats up the pineapple on his pizza.

Decaf?

That's an easy assumption to make but I can't recall seeing it confirmed.

Decaf is what he gets in the HYUFD gulag for the doctrinally impure. I believe that IRL he is more wired that Status Quo at the Band Aid recording.

HYUFD

Richard_Nabavi said:

To be fair to Liz Truss, she has at least been getting on with the job of achieving the continuity trade deals to replace a small amount of what we would otherwise be losing. It's no more than any average minister in her position should be able to do, but in this government a spot of average competence does rather stand out as excellent in comparison to, say, the Education department. Of course, she massively overstates the importance of these deals, which no doubt endears her to the faithful. The 100-1 does look worth a small punt.

The Cabinet minister who seems to be most underrated is Thérèse Coffey, who seems to be quietly getting on with her job and under whose management the DWP seems to have managed the huge additional take-up of Universal Credit without any of the usual screw-ups. I suppose quiet competence counts for little, though. You need to add a Sunak-style dose of self-promotion.

Coffey has a +41% rating ie higher than Boris and most of the Cabinet with ConHome readers so not bad

kle4

kinabalu said:

Bewildering lack of cheese jokes.

If nobody else can be bothered, nor can I.

Well that's curdled my enthusiasm.

Fysics_Teacher

TheScreamingEagles said:

IshmaelZ said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

I didn't know that Truss experimented with the Lib Dems at university. Presumably her Labour-supporting parents were glad to see her go full Tory, better to pick a side at least.

She was a Republican as well.

I knew there was a reason I didn't like her.

Is why I like her, we Tory Republicans generally don't admit our opposition to a hereditary head of state in public.

But we do exist.

Aren't there a surprisingly large number of Tory Republicans on this site? I've always found the Royal Family the least offensive part of the English class system, personally. On balance I think they're a good thing, although you could make a case for their abolition on compassionate grounds.

Their advantages are negative, but irresistible nonetheless. They don't have to steal everything, because they already own everything, and they don't have to change the rules to stay in place for another four years, or for life, because they are already in place for life. This makes things safer and more comfortable all round.

TSE is a passionate repressed francophile, and just can't hear the garlic-munching scoundrels maundering on in their ridiculous accent about mongseer le prayseedawn without thinking, sacré bleu, I want some of that.

Repressed Francophole? LOL next you'll be saying on Christmas Eve I'll be watching Die Hard whilst eating a pizza with pineapple on it.

At the Oxford Pizza Express no doubt.

kle4

Roger said:

Mayor of Liverpool arrested for swindling! Not good for Labour if true

Oh like they'd be in any danger in Liverpool even if every single MP and elected politician there was elected for corruption.

TheScreamingEagles

Fysics_Teacher said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

IshmaelZ said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

I didn't know that Truss experimented with the Lib Dems at university. Presumably her Labour-supporting parents were glad to see her go full Tory, better to pick a side at least.

She was a Republican as well.

I knew there was a reason I didn't like her.

Is why I like her, we Tory Republicans generally don't admit our opposition to a hereditary head of state in public.

But we do exist.

Aren't there a surprisingly large number of Tory Republicans on this site? I've always found the Royal Family the least offensive part of the English class system, personally. On balance I think they're a good thing, although you could make a case for their abolition on compassionate grounds.

Their advantages are negative, but irresistible nonetheless. They don't have to steal everything, because they already own everything, and they don't have to change the rules to stay in place for another four years, or for life, because they are already in place for life. This makes things safer and more comfortable all round.

TSE is a passionate repressed francophile, and just can't hear the garlic-munching scoundrels maundering on in their ridiculous accent about mongseer le prayseedawn without thinking, sacré bleu, I want some of that.

Repressed Francophole? LOL next you'll be saying on Christmas Eve I'll be watching Die Hard whilst eating a pizza with pineapple on it.

At the Oxford Pizza Express no doubt.

I've heard that the Woking Pizza Express is the best, people go there and still remember and talk about it decades later.

Stuartinromford

Roger said:

The reason Johnson is down to 2.9 is because in the immortal words of Jess Phillips "He's a liar. He's just a liar" . There was a time when the zeitgeist was happy with liars whether daubed on the side of busses or sent out on tweets but not now. The pendulum has swung and It doesn't look like it'll swing back soon.

For Conhomers to have taken against Boris that badly... He's got a problem, hasn't he?

Nigelb

Second best country in the world...

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1334898658005966848

TheScreamingEagles

MaxPB said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

The problem Truss would have in any leadership contest is that she manages to enrage the Tory Taliban.

She does have form.

Because of all the affairs?

Yes.

MaxPB

Richard_Nabavi said:

To be fair to Liz Truss, she has at least been getting on with the job of achieving the continuity trade deals to replace a small amount of what we would otherwise be losing. It's no more than any average minister in her position should be able to do, but in this government a spot of average competence does rather stand out as excellent in comparison to, say, the Education department. Of course, she massively overstates the importance of these deals, which no doubt endears her to the faithful. The 100-1 does look worth a small punt.

The Cabinet minister who seems to be most underrated is Thérèse Coffey, who seems to be quietly getting on with her job and under whose management the DWP seems to have managed the huge additional take-up of Universal Credit without any of the usual screw-ups. I suppose quiet competence counts for little, though. You need to add a Sunak-style dose of self-promotion.

Liz Truss looks a lot better because Liam Fox was absolutely useless. A lot of what she's achieved should have been done immediately after the 2016 vote. Instead Fox prioritised a US trade deal after Trump was elected and anyone with more than 4 brain cells could work out that any trade deal that passed through Congress would never make it through Parliament.

kle4

Richard_Nabavi said:

To be fair to Liz Truss, she has at least been getting on with the job of achieving the continuity trade deals to replace a small amount of what we would otherwise be losing. It's no more than any average minister in her position should be able to do, but in this government a spot of average competence does rather stand out as excellent in comparison to, say, the Education department. Of course, she massively overstates the importance of these deals, which no doubt endears her to the faithful. The 100-1 does look worth a small punt.

The Cabinet minister who seems to be most underrated is Thérèse Coffey, who seems to be quietly getting on with her job and under whose management the DWP seems to have managed the huge additional take-up of Universal Credit without any of the usual screw-ups. I suppose quiet competence counts for little, though. You need to add a Sunak-style dose of self-promotion.

It's no good just being good at your job, people need to know you are doing a good job. Since PMs don't want competition, you have to promote yourself with colleagues and the public I imagine. People won't notice you, you have to make them notice you. Unfortunately, the Boris's of the world are the best at being noticed.

Theuniondivvie

HYUFD said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

I didn't know that Truss experimented with the Lib Dems at university. Presumably her Labour-supporting parents were glad to see her go full Tory, better to pick a side at least.

She was a Republican as well.

I knew there was a reason I didn't like her.

Is why I like her, we Tory Republicans generally don't admit our opposition to a hereditary head of state in public.

But we do exist.

Aren't there a surprisingly large number of Tory Republicans on this site? I've always found the Royal Family the least offensive part of the English class system, personally. On balance I think they're a good thing, although you could make a case for their abolition on compassionate grounds.

None of them are actually genuine Tories of course, including the LD voting TSE and the New Labour and Farage voting Philip Thompson

The only genuine Tory in the village speaketh.

TheScreamingEagles

Richard_Nabavi said:

To be fair to Liz Truss, she has at least been getting on with the job of achieving the continuity trade deals to replace a small amount of what we would otherwise be losing. It's no more than any average minister in her position should be able to do, but in this government a spot of average competence does rather stand out as excellent in comparison to, say, the Education department. Of course, she massively overstates the importance of these deals, which no doubt endears her to the faithful. The 100-1 does look worth a small punt.

The Cabinet minister who seems to be most underrated is Thérèse Coffey, who seems to be quietly getting on with her job and under whose management the DWP seems to have managed the huge additional take-up of Universal Credit without any of the usual screw-ups. I suppose quiet competence counts for little, though. You need to add a Sunak-style dose of self-promotion.

She's a bit rubbish on the media/self promotion front.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/marcus-rashford-slams-therese-coffey-over-tweet-on-water-supply-amid-free-school-meals-campaign

TBF she's not the only politician to screw up when dealing with Marcus Rashford.

Theuniondivvie

kle4 said:

kinabalu said:

Bewildering lack of cheese jokes.

If nobody else can be bothered, nor can I.

Well that's curdled my enthusiasm.

Stil tons of time

rcs1000

Nigelb said:

Second best country in the world...

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1334898658005966848

The UAE has - I think - approved one of the Chinese vaccines.

DecrepiterJohnL

HYUFD said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

To be fair to Liz Truss, she has at least been getting on with the job of achieving the continuity trade deals to replace a small amount of what we would otherwise be losing. It's no more than any average minister in her position should be able to do, but in this government a spot of average competence does rather stand out as excellent in comparison to, say, the Education department. Of course, she massively overstates the importance of these deals, which no doubt endears her to the faithful. The 100-1 does look worth a small punt.

The Cabinet minister who seems to be most underrated is Thérèse Coffey, who seems to be quietly getting on with her job and under whose management the DWP seems to have managed the huge additional take-up of Universal Credit without any of the usual screw-ups. I suppose quiet competence counts for little, though. You need to add a Sunak-style dose of self-promotion.

Coffey has a +41% rating ie higher than Boris and most of the Cabinet with ConHome readers so not bad

Coffey is another woman at or near the top of government with a background in science (she has a PhD in chemistry).

rcs1000

RobD said:

rcs1000 said:

williamglenn said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Has she recently done something to explain this rise? What have I missed?

She's making Global Britain Great Again.

https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1334472682184859648

I don't believe trade between the UK and North Macedonia is worth anywhere near £1.8bn.

See: https://oec.world/en/profile/country/mkd#:~:text=The top imports of North,, and Cars ($241M).

It says exports to UK alone worth $1bn, so not too far fetched?

That's dollars - so £725m. For their exports, we're $125m.

That's £800m total, or less than half the claimed amount.

BluestBlue

Roger said:

The reason Johnson is down to 2.9 is because in the immortal words of Jess Phillips "He's a liar. He's just a liar" . There was a time when the zeitgeist was happy with liars whether daubed on the side of busses or sent out on tweets but not now. The pendulum has swung and It doesn't look like it'll swing back soon.

Quite the opposite. He's been telling them the truth - that Covid is real and we have to do something about it, that we might just possibly want an agreement with that large landmass hovering off our shores - and they don't much care for it.

Andy_JS

noneoftheabove said:

HYUFD said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

HYUFD said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

I didn't know that Truss experimented with the Lib Dems at university. Presumably her Labour-supporting parents were glad to see her go full Tory, better to pick a side at least.

She was a Republican as well.

I knew there was a reason I didn't like her.

Is why I like her, we Tory Republicans generally don't admit our opposition to a hereditary head of state in public.

But we do exist.

Aren't there a surprisingly large number of Tory Republicans on this site? I've always found the Royal Family the least offensive part of the English class system, personally. On balance I think they're a good thing, although you could make a case for their abolition on compassionate grounds.

None of them are actually genuine Tories of course, including the LD voting TSE and the New Labour and Farage voting Philip Thompson

For a second I thought you meant the Royal Family are not genuine Tories! Mind you, it was often said HMQ's favourite PM was Harold Wilson (when they weren't saying it was Winston or Maggie).

I believe he was, Prince Charles is the definition of a LD if ever there was one, Prince Harry (if he still counts as royal) and Meghan are definitely now Starmer Labour. Prince William and the Duchess of Cambridge and maybe Camilla and the Duke of Edinburgh are Tories, though the Cambridges of the Cameroon kind, I think only the Queen Mother was a Thatcherite and reputedly sympathetic to UKIP

Any insider thoughts on the likely next Tory leader?

Rishi Sunak is most likely.

turbotubbs

Andy_JS said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

John O'Groats-Land's End 'record speed' driver cleared

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-55177486

His winning defence seems to have been a told a load of lies.

Why did the police take his blog at face value?

I knew a colleague who swore he left UEA (Norwich) at 2pm, to give a 5 pm lecture at Exeter (around 300 miles) and made it on time... Lots of motorway, but even so...

RobD

rcs1000 said:

RobD said:

rcs1000 said:

williamglenn said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Has she recently done something to explain this rise? What have I missed?

She's making Global Britain Great Again.

https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1334472682184859648

I don't believe trade between the UK and North Macedonia is worth anywhere near £1.8bn.

See: https://oec.world/en/profile/country/mkd#:~:text=The top imports of North,, and Cars ($241M).

It says exports to UK alone worth $1bn, so not too far fetched?

That's dollars - so £725m. For their exports, we're $125m.

That's £800m total, or less than half the claimed amount.

Other comments here suggest it is in the right ballpark.

geoffw

BBC: "France could veto a deal if it is not in the interests of the fishing industry."

A veto would be good for French fisherfolk?

Stocky

DecrepiterJohnL said:

HYUFD said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

To be fair to Liz Truss, she has at least been getting on with the job of achieving the continuity trade deals to replace a small amount of what we would otherwise be losing. It's no more than any average minister in her position should be able to do, but in this government a spot of average competence does rather stand out as excellent in comparison to, say, the Education department. Of course, she massively overstates the importance of these deals, which no doubt endears her to the faithful. The 100-1 does look worth a small punt.

The Cabinet minister who seems to be most underrated is Thérèse Coffey, who seems to be quietly getting on with her job and under whose management the DWP seems to have managed the huge additional take-up of Universal Credit without any of the usual screw-ups. I suppose quiet competence counts for little, though. You need to add a Sunak-style dose of self-promotion.

Coffey has a +41% rating ie higher than Boris and most of the Cabinet with ConHome readers so not bad

Coffey is another woman at or near the top of government with a background in science (she has a PhD in chemistry).

Coffey is excellent. Best of the lot. I like Badenoch as well.

ydoethur

TheScreamingEagles said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Has she recently done something to explain this rise? What have I missed?

She's been banging on about all the new trade deals she's signed with the rest of the world, but in reality they are at best rollover of our existing conditions.

Makes a change from banging other women’s husbands.

I wish I could get that image of Truss above Sunak out of my head though...

RobD

geoffw said:

BBC: "France could veto a deal if it is not in the interests of the fishing industry."

A veto would be good for French fisherfolk?

No, it would be much worse.

Roger

kle4 said:

Roger said:

Mayor of Liverpool arrested for swindling! Not good for Labour if true

Oh like they'd be in any danger in Liverpool even if every single MP and elected politician there was elected for corruption.

That's true but it doesn't do the Labour brand much good particularly as this thing looks like it's going to be big. I always liked the Mayor of Liverpool. He reminded me of what Len McClusky could have been like.

rcs1000

HYUFD said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

I didn't know that Truss experimented with the Lib Dems at university. Presumably her Labour-supporting parents were glad to see her go full Tory, better to pick a side at least.

She was a Republican as well.

I knew there was a reason I didn't like her.

Is why I like her, we Tory Republicans generally don't admit our opposition to a hereditary head of state in public.

But we do exist.

Aren't there a surprisingly large number of Tory Republicans on this site? I've always found the Royal Family the least offensive part of the English class system, personally. On balance I think they're a good thing, although you could make a case for their abolition on compassionate grounds.

None of them are actually genuine Tories of course, including the LD voting TSE and the New Labour and Farage voting Philip Thompson

As far as I can tell, there is only one true Tory in the United Kingdom.

Richard_Nabavi

geoffw said:

BBC: "France could veto a deal if it is not in the interests of the fishing industry."

A veto would be good for French fisherfolk?

I think you might have put your finger on a slight problemette with their position...

HYUFD

DecrepiterJohnL said:

HYUFD said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

To be fair to Liz Truss, she has at least been getting on with the job of achieving the continuity trade deals to replace a small amount of what we would otherwise be losing. It's no more than any average minister in her position should be able to do, but in this government a spot of average competence does rather stand out as excellent in comparison to, say, the Education department. Of course, she massively overstates the importance of these deals, which no doubt endears her to the faithful. The 100-1 does look worth a small punt.

The Cabinet minister who seems to be most underrated is Thérèse Coffey, who seems to be quietly getting on with her job and under whose management the DWP seems to have managed the huge additional take-up of Universal Credit without any of the usual screw-ups. I suppose quiet competence counts for little, though. You need to add a Sunak-style dose of self-promotion.

Coffey has a +41% rating ie higher than Boris and most of the Cabinet with ConHome readers so not bad

Coffey is another woman at or near the top of government with a background in science (she has a PhD in chemistry).

Yes, went to a drinks reception with her last year, she was very knowledgeable and with a PhD in Chemistry and business experience at Mars makes a change for those complaining there are too many PPE grad, ex Spads in Cabinet

kle4

kle4 said:

Roger said:

Mayor of Liverpool arrested for swindling! Not good for Labour if true

Oh like they'd be in any danger in Liverpool even if every single MP and elected politician there was elected for corruption.

Hmm, 'elected for corruption'. Freudian slip?

kle4

Roger said:

kle4 said:

Roger said:

Mayor of Liverpool arrested for swindling! Not good for Labour if true

Oh like they'd be in any danger in Liverpool even if every single MP and elected politician there was elected for corruption.

That's true but it doesn't do the Labour brand much good particularly as this thing looks like it's going to be big. I always liked the Mayor of Liverpool. He reminded me of what Len McClusky could have been like.

Well, he may be innocent. Or at least not provably guilty.

rcs1000

Richard_Nabavi said:

geoffw said:

BBC: "France could veto a deal if it is not in the interests of the fishing industry."

A veto would be good for French fisherfolk?

I think you might have put your finger on a slight problemette with their position...

Appearing to be tough with the British is a vote winner in France shocker.

TheScreamingEagles

I don't know why Matt Goodwin is getting his knickers in a twist over these stats.

It shows the BBC are recruiting the best, not some uneducated plebs who think Sinai is the plural of sinus.

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1334918796151230465

geoffw

rcs1000 said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

geoffw said:

BBC: "France could veto a deal if it is not in the interests of the fishing industry."

A veto would be good for French fisherfolk?

I think you might have put your finger on a slight problemette with their position...

Appearing to be tough with the British is a vote winner in France shocker.

Yebbut talk is cheap, as even French fisherfolk know.

IanB2

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

I didn't know that Truss experimented with the Lib Dems at university. Presumably her Labour-supporting parents were glad to see her go full Tory, better to pick a side at least.

She was a Republican as well.

Shouldn’t that be small r ?

noneoftheabove

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

John O'Groats-Land's End 'record speed' driver cleared

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-55177486

His winning defence seems to have been a told a load of lies.

I thought the GPS data in his car and phone proved that he must have broken the speed limit?

Re the earlier mention of ID cards today, if the govt cant get a conviction here with all the ANPR and mobile phone data we have little to fear from the govt surveillance concern on ID cards.

TheScreamingEagles

IanB2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

I didn't know that Truss experimented with the Lib Dems at university. Presumably her Labour-supporting parents were glad to see her go full Tory, better to pick a side at least.

She was a Republican as well.

Shouldn’t that be small r ?

It should, but blame my iPad, because I've been talking lots about GOP it has started to automatically capitalise Republican.

Nigelb

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Has she recently done something to explain this rise? What have I missed?

She's been banging on about all the new trade deals she's signed with the rest of the world, but in reality they are at best rollover of our existing conditions.

Makes a change from banging other women’s husbands.

I wish I could get that image of Truss above Sunak out of my head though...

By several inches, I think ?

geoffw

Thundersnow on the BBC news now. Woke me up at 5am.