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Liz Truss now edges above Sunak in latest CONHome members’ survey – politicalbetting.com

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  • HYUFD said:

    To be fair to Liz Truss, she has at least been getting on with the job of achieving the continuity trade deals to replace a small amount of what we would otherwise be losing. It's no more than any average minister in her position should be able to do, but in this government a spot of average competence does rather stand out as excellent in comparison to, say, the Education department. Of course, she massively overstates the importance of these deals, which no doubt endears her to the faithful. The 100-1 does look worth a small punt.

    The Cabinet minister who seems to be most underrated is Thérèse Coffey, who seems to be quietly getting on with her job and under whose management the DWP seems to have managed the huge additional take-up of Universal Credit without any of the usual screw-ups. I suppose quiet competence counts for little, though. You need to add a Sunak-style dose of self-promotion.

    Coffey has a +41% rating ie higher than Boris and most of the Cabinet with ConHome readers so not bad
    Coffey is another woman at or near the top of government with a background in science (she has a PhD in chemistry).
    I quite like the theory that party leaders/PMs often exhibit opposite characteristics to their predecessors. Coffey is very much the opposite of Johnson in lots of ways and science backgrounds may become more valued again post covid.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    Nigelb said:
    That'll reassure people
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,934
    Roger said:

    Nigelb said:
    That'll reassure people
    It's going to be approved by a lot of countries in a very short timespan. The exact timing probably tells you very little about how thorough it has been.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914

    Roger said:

    The reason Johnson is down to 2.9 is because in the immortal words of Jess Phillips "He's a liar. He's just a liar" . There was a time when the zeitgeist was happy with liars whether daubed on the side of busses or sent out on tweets but not now. The pendulum has swung and It doesn't look like it'll swing back soon.

    Quite the opposite. He's been telling them the truth - that Covid is real and we have to do something about it, that we might just possibly want an agreement with that large landmass hovering off our shores - and they don't much care for it.
    So how do you explain your leader coming 22nd in a Tory popularity contest behind at least a dozen no one's ever heard of
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381
    Roger said:

    Mayor of Liverpool arrested for swindling! Not good for Labour if true

    Labour (alleged) corruption is so unsophisticated compared to Conservative Government corruption. The former is called fraud, the latter, competitive tendering.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,222
    Roger said:

    Nigelb said:
    That'll reassure people
    Decent article in why the FDA is so much slower.
    https://www.statnews.com/2020/12/04/how-key-decisions-slowed-fdas-review-of-covid-19-vaccine-but-also-gave-it-important-data/

    One of the time consuming things is that they reanalyse the raw data to double check the pharma’s statistical analysis.

    Given the lethality of Covid, I think the risk/benefit analysis is in favour of our approach, FWIW.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,934
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    The reason Johnson is down to 2.9 is because in the immortal words of Jess Phillips "He's a liar. He's just a liar" . There was a time when the zeitgeist was happy with liars whether daubed on the side of busses or sent out on tweets but not now. The pendulum has swung and It doesn't look like it'll swing back soon.

    Quite the opposite. He's been telling them the truth - that Covid is real and we have to do something about it, that we might just possibly want an agreement with that large landmass hovering off our shores - and they don't much care for it.
    So how do you explain your leader coming 22nd in a Tory popularity contest behind at least a dozen no one's ever heard of
    That he has to make the tough choices? It's not that difficult.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,222
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381
    Nigelb said:
    Paging Andrew Wakefield.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    The reason Johnson is down to 2.9 is because in the immortal words of Jess Phillips "He's a liar. He's just a liar" . There was a time when the zeitgeist was happy with liars whether daubed on the side of busses or sent out on tweets but not now. The pendulum has swung and It doesn't look like it'll swing back soon.

    Quite the opposite. He's been telling them the truth - that Covid is real and we have to do something about it, that we might just possibly want an agreement with that large landmass hovering off our shores - and they don't much care for it.
    So how do you explain your leader coming 22nd in a Tory popularity contest behind at least a dozen no one's ever heard of
    At least we can see why it is handy to have Goofy Gavin still around.

    Why is milling so unpopular?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,398

    MaxPB said:

    The problem Truss would have in any leadership contest is that she manages to enrage the Tory Taliban.

    She does have form.

    Because of all the affairs?
    Yes.
    Interesting to note that Truss has a problem due to her affairs but for Boris (being male) it wasn't a problem.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    edited December 2020

    Andy_JS said:

    John O'Groats-Land's End 'record speed' driver cleared

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-55177486

    His winning defence seems to have been a told a load of lies.

    Why did the police take his blog at face value?
    I knew a colleague who swore he left UEA (Norwich) at 2pm, to give a 5 pm lecture at Exeter (around 300 miles) and made it on time... Lots of motorway, but even so...
    Even less plausible given he would have had to drive past Birmingham or London. Sometimes takes three hours just to travel the M42, and as for the M25...
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,929
    edited December 2020

    geoffw said:

    BBC: "France could veto a deal if it is not in the interests of the fishing industry."

    A veto would be good for French fisherfolk?

    I think you might have put your finger on a slight problemette with their position...
    It's about money, not fish, according to the Telegraph.

    Macron is gambling that France could be a winner from a no-deal Brexit
    Paris is the only real contender to London as the Continent’s finance hub, and a no-deal Brexit may well give it the edge

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/12/04/macron-gambling-france-could-winner-no-deal-brexit/
  • More info here:

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/mayor-liverpool-joe-anderson-arrested-19399231

    This could have interesting ramifications, and not just because of Joe Anderson.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868

    More info here:

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/mayor-liverpool-joe-anderson-arrested-19399231

    This could have interesting ramifications, and not just because of Joe Anderson.

    Could it? Surely Labour just put up a other donkey with a red rosette and they win again, it's Liverpool.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,828

    More info here:

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/mayor-liverpool-joe-anderson-arrested-19399231

    This could have interesting ramifications, and not just because of Joe Anderson.

    Allegations of bribery and dodgy deals relating to development are sadly not that unusual for Liverpool politics.
    Allegations of witness intimidation though might be a bit more serious.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    IanB2 said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    The reason Johnson is down to 2.9 is because in the immortal words of Jess Phillips "He's a liar. He's just a liar" . There was a time when the zeitgeist was happy with liars whether daubed on the side of busses or sent out on tweets but not now. The pendulum has swung and It doesn't look like it'll swing back soon.

    Quite the opposite. He's been telling them the truth - that Covid is real and we have to do something about it, that we might just possibly want an agreement with that large landmass hovering off our shores - and they don't much care for it.
    So how do you explain your leader coming 22nd in a Tory popularity contest behind at least a dozen no one's ever heard of
    At least we can see why it is handy to have Goofy Gavin still around.

    Why is milling so unpopular?
    Because although she’s a nice enough person, she’s a bit shit.
  • geoffw said:

    BBC: "France could veto a deal if it is not in the interests of the fishing industry."

    A veto would be good for French fisherfolk?

    I think you might have put your finger on a slight problemette with their position...
    It's about money, not fish, according to the Telegraph.

    Macron is gambling that France could be a winner from a no-deal Brexit
    Paris is the only real contender to London as the Continent’s finance hub, and a no-deal Brexit may well give it the edge

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/12/04/macron-gambling-france-could-winner-no-deal-brexit/
    Yet another red herring.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,128

    geoffw said:

    BBC: "France could veto a deal if it is not in the interests of the fishing industry."

    A veto would be good for French fisherfolk?

    I think you might have put your finger on a slight problemette with their position...
    It's about money, not fish, according to the Telegraph.

    Macron is gambling that France could be a winner from a no-deal Brexit
    Paris is the only real contender to London as the Continent’s finance hub, and a no-deal Brexit may well give it the edge

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/12/04/macron-gambling-france-could-winner-no-deal-brexit/
    Is 'Paris/Frankfurt to be new financial hub for continental Europe' the pro-EU version of 'German car makers will save Brexit'?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    geoffw said:

    BBC: "France could veto a deal if it is not in the interests of the fishing industry."

    A veto would be good for French fisherfolk?

    I think you might have put your finger on a slight problemette with their position...
    It's about money, not fish, according to the Telegraph.

    Macron is gambling that France could be a winner from a no-deal Brexit
    Paris is the only real contender to London as the Continent’s finance hub, and a no-deal Brexit may well give it the edge

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/12/04/macron-gambling-france-could-winner-no-deal-brexit/
    Yet another red herring.
    Johnson’s wet dream scenario is that France veto a deal because it is too generous to the UK, and the EU go ahead and implement it anyway, thereby confirming a loss of sovereignty and that we were right to leave.

    It is slightly less likely than him being faithful to PNN, but it would be perfection.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868

    geoffw said:

    BBC: "France could veto a deal if it is not in the interests of the fishing industry."

    A veto would be good for French fisherfolk?

    I think you might have put your finger on a slight problemette with their position...
    It's about money, not fish, according to the Telegraph.

    Macron is gambling that France could be a winner from a no-deal Brexit
    Paris is the only real contender to London as the Continent’s finance hub, and a no-deal Brexit may well give it the edge

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/12/04/macron-gambling-france-could-winner-no-deal-brexit/
    I find that extremely unlikely to be the case, there's no way that Macron is looking at the same information as everyone else in the world and has decided that Paris will benefit while the rest of the world decides that it will be Singapore and New York. Paris is and always will be an also-ran for finance, even French banks don't want to go back and have refused the orders many times.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,671
    edited December 2020
    MaxPB said:

    More info here:

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/mayor-liverpool-joe-anderson-arrested-19399231

    This could have interesting ramifications, and not just because of Joe Anderson.

    Could it? Surely Labour just put up a other donkey with a red rosette and they win again, it's Liverpool.
    Lazy stereotyping, not so long ago, and for years, the Lib Dems had more council seats than Labour, and control of Liverpool City council.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,224
    Roger said:

    kle4 said:

    Roger said:

    Mayor of Liverpool arrested for swindling! Not good for Labour if true

    Oh like they'd be in any danger in Liverpool even if every single MP and elected politician there was elected for corruption.
    That's true but it doesn't do the Labour brand much good particularly as this thing looks like it's going to be big. I always liked the Mayor of Liverpool. He reminded me of what Len McClusky could have been like.
    Which Beatle does McClusky most remind people of?

    John for me.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468

    MaxPB said:

    More info here:

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/mayor-liverpool-joe-anderson-arrested-19399231

    This could have interesting ramifications, and not just because of Joe Anderson.

    Could it? Surely Labour just put up a other donkey with a red rosette and they win again, it's Liverpool.
    Lazy stereotyping, not so long ago, and for years, the Lib Dems had more council seats, and control of Liverpool City council.
    The Lib Dems also held Newcastle City Council from 2004-2011.
  • kle4 said:

    geoffw said:

    BBC: "France could veto a deal if it is not in the interests of the fishing industry."

    A veto would be good for French fisherfolk?

    I think you might have put your finger on a slight problemette with their position...
    It's about money, not fish, according to the Telegraph.

    Macron is gambling that France could be a winner from a no-deal Brexit
    Paris is the only real contender to London as the Continent’s finance hub, and a no-deal Brexit may well give it the edge

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/12/04/macron-gambling-france-could-winner-no-deal-brexit/
    Is 'Paris/Frankfurt to be new financial hub for continental Europe' the pro-EU version of 'German car makers will save Brexit'?
    There is a slight difference: Paris and Frankfurt really, really, really want to be the twin financial hubs of Europe and probably have a means of getting there. The German car makers never wanted to influence the UK's Brexit agreement and wouldn't have been able to do so if they had.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,224
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    To be fair to Liz Truss, she has at least been getting on with the job of achieving the continuity trade deals to replace a small amount of what we would otherwise be losing. It's no more than any average minister in her position should be able to do, but in this government a spot of average competence does rather stand out as excellent in comparison to, say, the Education department. Of course, she massively overstates the importance of these deals, which no doubt endears her to the faithful. The 100-1 does look worth a small punt.

    The Cabinet minister who seems to be most underrated is Thérèse Coffey, who seems to be quietly getting on with her job and under whose management the DWP seems to have managed the huge additional take-up of Universal Credit without any of the usual screw-ups. I suppose quiet competence counts for little, though. You need to add a Sunak-style dose of self-promotion.

    Coffey has a +41% rating ie higher than Boris and most of the Cabinet with ConHome readers so not bad
    Coffey is another woman at or near the top of government with a background in science (she has a PhD in chemistry).
    Yes, went to a drinks reception with her last year, she was very knowledgeable and with a PhD in Chemistry and business experience at Mars makes a change for those complaining there are too many PPE grad, ex Spads in Cabinet
    Did you hold your own?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,128

    MaxPB said:

    More info here:

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/mayor-liverpool-joe-anderson-arrested-19399231

    This could have interesting ramifications, and not just because of Joe Anderson.

    Could it? Surely Labour just put up a other donkey with a red rosette and they win again, it's Liverpool.
    Lazy stereotyping, not so long ago, and for years, the Lib Dems had more council seats, and control of Liverpool City council.
    Not so long ago, yet a lifetime ago. I mean, they no longer have the same number as the Liberals, but even if the Mayor turns out to be a crook and brings a few along with him, are the LDs in a position to benefit all that much?
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    Cookie said:

    More info here:

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/mayor-liverpool-joe-anderson-arrested-19399231

    This could have interesting ramifications, and not just because of Joe Anderson.

    Allegations of bribery and dodgy deals relating to development are sadly not that unusual for Liverpool politics.
    Allegations of witness intimidation though might be a bit more serious.
    I recall Private Eye having a regular feature entitled ‘Murkeyside’.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868

    kle4 said:

    geoffw said:

    BBC: "France could veto a deal if it is not in the interests of the fishing industry."

    A veto would be good for French fisherfolk?

    I think you might have put your finger on a slight problemette with their position...
    It's about money, not fish, according to the Telegraph.

    Macron is gambling that France could be a winner from a no-deal Brexit
    Paris is the only real contender to London as the Continent’s finance hub, and a no-deal Brexit may well give it the edge

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/12/04/macron-gambling-france-could-winner-no-deal-brexit/
    Is 'Paris/Frankfurt to be new financial hub for continental Europe' the pro-EU version of 'German car makers will save Brexit'?
    There is a slight difference: Paris and Frankfurt really, really, really want to be the twin financial hubs of Europe and probably have a means of getting there. The German car makers never wanted to influence the UK's Brexit agreement and wouldn't have been able to do so if they had.
    I really want to shag Natalie Portman, I also have the means of doing so, just need to fly to New York, find her and hope for the best.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,036
    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    kle4 said:

    Roger said:

    Mayor of Liverpool arrested for swindling! Not good for Labour if true

    Oh like they'd be in any danger in Liverpool even if every single MP and elected politician there was elected for corruption.
    That's true but it doesn't do the Labour brand much good particularly as this thing looks like it's going to be big. I always liked the Mayor of Liverpool. He reminded me of what Len McClusky could have been like.
    Which Beatle does McClusky most remind people of?

    John for me.
    Dung?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,224

    Roger said:

    The reason Johnson is down to 2.9 is because in the immortal words of Jess Phillips "He's a liar. He's just a liar" . There was a time when the zeitgeist was happy with liars whether daubed on the side of busses or sent out on tweets but not now. The pendulum has swung and It doesn't look like it'll swing back soon.

    Quite the opposite. He's been telling them the truth - that Covid is real and we have to do something about it, that we might just possibly want an agreement with that large landmass hovering off our shores - and they don't much care for it.
    You sound disaffected with your rank and file. Promising development.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,828

    Cookie said:

    More info here:

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/mayor-liverpool-joe-anderson-arrested-19399231

    This could have interesting ramifications, and not just because of Joe Anderson.

    Allegations of bribery and dodgy deals relating to development are sadly not that unusual for Liverpool politics.
    Allegations of witness intimidation though might be a bit more serious.
    I recall Private Eye having a regular feature entitled ‘Murkeyside’.
    Apparently the 72-year old from Aigburth who has been arrested alongside Joe Anderson is Derek Hatton.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,671
    edited December 2020
    I see Thérèse Coffey uses a l'accent grave and a l'accent aigu in her name.

    Sorry, that means she's French, that makes her unfit to be Prime Minister or a cabinet minister of the United Kingdom, a cabinet minister or Prime Minister of France maybe.

    I bet she sings La Marseillaise instead of GSTQ.
  • eek said:

    MaxPB said:

    The problem Truss would have in any leadership contest is that she manages to enrage the Tory Taliban.

    She does have form.

    Because of all the affairs?
    Yes.
    Interesting to note that Truss has a problem due to her affairs but for Boris (being male) it wasn't a problem.
    True, but its not just about being male. If Starmer or perhaps even Sunak were found to have affairs it would be problematic for them. Like Trump, Johnson's lack of shame or remorse makes him invulnerable to scandal.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    kle4 said:

    Roger said:

    Mayor of Liverpool arrested for swindling! Not good for Labour if true

    Oh like they'd be in any danger in Liverpool even if every single MP and elected politician there was elected for corruption.
    That's true but it doesn't do the Labour brand much good particularly as this thing looks like it's going to be big. I always liked the Mayor of Liverpool. He reminded me of what Len McClusky could have been like.
    Which Beatle does McClusky most remind people of?

    John for me.
    Dung?
    If Labour had continued to blindly follow his orders/whores (delete according to taste) it would be Death Watch.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,137
    edited December 2020
    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    To be fair to Liz Truss, she has at least been getting on with the job of achieving the continuity trade deals to replace a small amount of what we would otherwise be losing. It's no more than any average minister in her position should be able to do, but in this government a spot of average competence does rather stand out as excellent in comparison to, say, the Education department. Of course, she massively overstates the importance of these deals, which no doubt endears her to the faithful. The 100-1 does look worth a small punt.

    The Cabinet minister who seems to be most underrated is Thérèse Coffey, who seems to be quietly getting on with her job and under whose management the DWP seems to have managed the huge additional take-up of Universal Credit without any of the usual screw-ups. I suppose quiet competence counts for little, though. You need to add a Sunak-style dose of self-promotion.

    Coffey has a +41% rating ie higher than Boris and most of the Cabinet with ConHome readers so not bad
    Coffey is another woman at or near the top of government with a background in science (she has a PhD in chemistry).
    Yes, went to a drinks reception with her last year, she was very knowledgeable and with a PhD in Chemistry and business experience at Mars makes a change for those complaining there are too many PPE grad, ex Spads in Cabinet
    Did you hold your own?
    She was quite personable to talk to so as much as I could, she is actually the closest thing to a British Merkel
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    More info here:

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/mayor-liverpool-joe-anderson-arrested-19399231

    This could have interesting ramifications, and not just because of Joe Anderson.

    Allegations of bribery and dodgy deals relating to development are sadly not that unusual for Liverpool politics.
    Allegations of witness intimidation though might be a bit more serious.
    I recall Private Eye having a regular feature entitled ‘Murkeyside’.
    Apparently the 72-year old from Aigburth who has been arrested alongside Joe Anderson is Derek Hatton.
    Is it wrong of me to have burst out laughing?
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    Anyhoo, she's a homewrecker, the blue rinse mob hate that type of woman.

    Indeed - why she is known locally as 'the Tory trollop'.
  • MaxPB said:

    kle4 said:

    geoffw said:

    BBC: "France could veto a deal if it is not in the interests of the fishing industry."

    A veto would be good for French fisherfolk?

    I think you might have put your finger on a slight problemette with their position...
    It's about money, not fish, according to the Telegraph.

    Macron is gambling that France could be a winner from a no-deal Brexit
    Paris is the only real contender to London as the Continent’s finance hub, and a no-deal Brexit may well give it the edge

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/12/04/macron-gambling-france-could-winner-no-deal-brexit/
    Is 'Paris/Frankfurt to be new financial hub for continental Europe' the pro-EU version of 'German car makers will save Brexit'?
    There is a slight difference: Paris and Frankfurt really, really, really want to be the twin financial hubs of Europe and probably have a means of getting there. The German car makers never wanted to influence the UK's Brexit agreement and wouldn't have been able to do so if they had.
    I really want to shag Natalie Portman, I also have the means of doing so, just need to fly to New York, find her and hope for the best.
    Yup. That's exactly how it works. Don't forget to take your Borat sack with you once you find her.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    edited December 2020
    HYUFD said:
    I wonder how sorry Biden would be if Warnock lost, and Osoff won?

    Given Romney now seems semi-detached from the Republicans anyway and might be willing to cut deals, I suspect a Senate he has to horse trade with might be to his taste.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,128
    justin124 said:

    Anyhoo, she's a homewrecker, the blue rinse mob hate that type of woman.

    Indeed - why she is known locally as 'the Tory trollop'.
    That must sting as she counts her 26k majority.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,364
    ydoethur said:

    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    More info here:

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/mayor-liverpool-joe-anderson-arrested-19399231

    This could have interesting ramifications, and not just because of Joe Anderson.

    Allegations of bribery and dodgy deals relating to development are sadly not that unusual for Liverpool politics.
    Allegations of witness intimidation though might be a bit more serious.
    I recall Private Eye having a regular feature entitled ‘Murkeyside’.
    Apparently the 72-year old from Aigburth who has been arrested alongside Joe Anderson is Derek Hatton.
    Is it wrong of me to have burst out laughing?
    Yes, it is wrong to laugh.

    You should have quoted the "dynamics of history inevitability". Then laughed like a drain.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,128
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:
    I wonder how sorry Biden would be if Warnock lost, and Osoff won?

    Given Romney now seems semi-detached from the Republicans anyway and might be willing to cut deals, I suspect a Senate he has to horse trade with might be to his taste.
    As others have stated he surely would still need to, though not as many perhaps.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    geoffw said:

    Thundersnow on the BBC news now. Woke me up at 5am.

    The loudest thunder I have ever heard. I can well understand why people thought it was more than just thunder

    It was directly overhead and terrifyingly loud

    Made more terrifying from the fact that my wife has on two different occasions been in houses that have been struck by lightning.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,137
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:
    I wonder how sorry Biden would be if Warnock lost, and Osoff won?

    Given Romney now seems semi-detached from the Republicans anyway and might be willing to cut deals, I suspect a Senate he has to horse trade with might be to his taste.
    Indeed, Biden would probably secretly prefer having Romney as the casting vote in the Senate to Democrat complete control of Congress, so he can get through reasonable deals while still being able to blame the GOP for holding things up and not seeing AOC with too much power
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    HYUFD said:
    Why are we still entertaining this loser?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,858

    I didn't know that Truss experimented with the Lib Dems at university. Presumably her Labour-supporting parents were glad to see her go full Tory, better to pick a side at least.

    She was a Republican as well.
    I knew there was a reason I didn't like her.
    Is why I like her, we Tory Republicans generally don't admit our opposition to a hereditary head of state in public.

    But we do exist.
    Aren't there a surprisingly large number of Tory Republicans on this site? I've always found the Royal Family the least offensive part of the English class system, personally. On balance I think they're a good thing, although you could make a case for their abolition on compassionate grounds.
    Couldn't agree more. Wouldn't wish it on anyone.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,224
    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    John O'Groats-Land's End 'record speed' driver cleared

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-55177486

    His winning defence seems to have been a told a load of lies.

    Why did the police take his blog at face value?
    I knew a colleague who swore he left UEA (Norwich) at 2pm, to give a 5 pm lecture at Exeter (around 300 miles) and made it on time... Lots of motorway, but even so...
    Even less plausible given he would have had to drive past Birmingham or London. Sometimes takes three hours just to travel the M42, and as for the M25...
    Feel brie to do a really good cheese pun.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,209

    HYUFD said:
    Why are we still entertaining this loser?
    A reminder of how well Trafalgar did at polling Georgia in the Presidential election:

    https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/news/ga-pres-0720/
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    justin124 said:

    Anyhoo, she's a homewrecker, the blue rinse mob hate that type of woman.

    Indeed - why she is known locally as 'the Tory trollop'.
    I thought lots of trollops were Tories. Didn’t one famous prostitute she always voted for them as they were her best clients?
  • ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:
    I wonder how sorry Biden would be if Warnock lost, and Osoff won?

    Given Romney now seems semi-detached from the Republicans anyway and might be willing to cut deals, I suspect a Senate he has to horse trade with might be to his taste.
    Whoever wins there will be a group of half a dozen or so Senators in the middle with the power, neither party will own this Senate regardless.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,209
    MaxPB said:

    kle4 said:

    geoffw said:

    BBC: "France could veto a deal if it is not in the interests of the fishing industry."

    A veto would be good for French fisherfolk?

    I think you might have put your finger on a slight problemette with their position...
    It's about money, not fish, according to the Telegraph.

    Macron is gambling that France could be a winner from a no-deal Brexit
    Paris is the only real contender to London as the Continent’s finance hub, and a no-deal Brexit may well give it the edge

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/12/04/macron-gambling-france-could-winner-no-deal-brexit/
    Is 'Paris/Frankfurt to be new financial hub for continental Europe' the pro-EU version of 'German car makers will save Brexit'?
    There is a slight difference: Paris and Frankfurt really, really, really want to be the twin financial hubs of Europe and probably have a means of getting there. The German car makers never wanted to influence the UK's Brexit agreement and wouldn't have been able to do so if they had.
    I really want to shag Natalie Portman, I also have the means of doing so, just need to fly to New York, find her and hope for the best.
    I always get her to come to me, but then I'm lazy.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    More info here:

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/mayor-liverpool-joe-anderson-arrested-19399231

    This could have interesting ramifications, and not just because of Joe Anderson.

    Allegations of bribery and dodgy deals relating to development are sadly not that unusual for Liverpool politics.
    Allegations of witness intimidation though might be a bit more serious.
    I recall Private Eye having a regular feature entitled ‘Murkeyside’.
    Apparently the 72-year old from Aigburth who has been arrested alongside Joe Anderson is Derek Hatton.
    Degsy is 72 now? Blimey!
  • Being a small island no guarantee of success - that’s the U.K. equivalent of 47,000 new cases in a day:

    https://twitter.com/GaryBurgessCI/status/1334911976020078592?s=20
  • ydoethur said:

    justin124 said:

    Anyhoo, she's a homewrecker, the blue rinse mob hate that type of woman.

    Indeed - why she is known locally as 'the Tory trollop'.
    I thought lots of trollops were Tories. Didn’t one famous prostitute she always voted for them as they were her best clients?
    Didn't Harold Macmillan once say he preferred to spend his afternoons curled up with a Trollope?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    HYUFD said:
    Thank goodness, I was desperate to find out the polling of the group who got the Georgia Governor race wrong by 10 points in 2018.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    John O'Groats-Land's End 'record speed' driver cleared

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-55177486

    His winning defence seems to have been a told a load of lies.

    Why did the police take his blog at face value?
    I knew a colleague who swore he left UEA (Norwich) at 2pm, to give a 5 pm lecture at Exeter (around 300 miles) and made it on time... Lots of motorway, but even so...
    Even less plausible given he would have had to drive past Birmingham or London. Sometimes takes three hours just to travel the M42, and as for the M25...
    Feel brie to do a really good cheese pun.
    Ummm - why? Is there some dairy significance to Exeter, Norwich and the routes between that I’ve missed?

    I mean the Birmingham route does go fairly close to Cheddar, but even so...
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    MaxPB said:

    More info here:

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/mayor-liverpool-joe-anderson-arrested-19399231

    This could have interesting ramifications, and not just because of Joe Anderson.

    Could it? Surely Labour just put up a other donkey with a red rosette and they win again, it's Liverpool.
    MaxPB said:

    More info here:

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/mayor-liverpool-joe-anderson-arrested-19399231

    This could have interesting ramifications, and not just because of Joe Anderson.

    Could it? Surely Labour just put up a other donkey with a red rosette and they win again, it's Liverpool.
    Until 1964 most Liverpool MPs were Tory.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    MaxPB said:

    kle4 said:

    geoffw said:

    BBC: "France could veto a deal if it is not in the interests of the fishing industry."

    A veto would be good for French fisherfolk?

    I think you might have put your finger on a slight problemette with their position...
    It's about money, not fish, according to the Telegraph.

    Macron is gambling that France could be a winner from a no-deal Brexit
    Paris is the only real contender to London as the Continent’s finance hub, and a no-deal Brexit may well give it the edge

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/12/04/macron-gambling-france-could-winner-no-deal-brexit/
    Is 'Paris/Frankfurt to be new financial hub for continental Europe' the pro-EU version of 'German car makers will save Brexit'?
    There is a slight difference: Paris and Frankfurt really, really, really want to be the twin financial hubs of Europe and probably have a means of getting there. The German car makers never wanted to influence the UK's Brexit agreement and wouldn't have been able to do so if they had.
    I really want to shag Natalie Portman, I also have the means of doing so, just need to fly to New York, find her and hope for the best.
    I thought she lived in Paris?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,224

    eek said:

    MaxPB said:

    The problem Truss would have in any leadership contest is that she manages to enrage the Tory Taliban.

    She does have form.

    Because of all the affairs?
    Yes.
    Interesting to note that Truss has a problem due to her affairs but for Boris (being male) it wasn't a problem.
    True, but its not just about being male. If Starmer or perhaps even Sunak were found to have affairs it would be problematic for them. Like Trump, Johnson's lack of shame or remorse makes him invulnerable to scandal.
    Yep. No standards thus no hypocrisy and no judgement. People seem fine with this. Beats me why.
  • Alistair said:

    HYUFD said:
    Thank goodness, I was desperate to find out the polling of the group who got the Georgia Governor race wrong by 10 points in 2018.
    They are improving, they were only 7% out on the Georgia Presidential election result.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,410
    justin124 said:

    MaxPB said:

    More info here:

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/mayor-liverpool-joe-anderson-arrested-19399231

    This could have interesting ramifications, and not just because of Joe Anderson.

    Could it? Surely Labour just put up a other donkey with a red rosette and they win again, it's Liverpool.
    MaxPB said:

    More info here:

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/mayor-liverpool-joe-anderson-arrested-19399231

    This could have interesting ramifications, and not just because of Joe Anderson.

    Could it? Surely Labour just put up a other donkey with a red rosette and they win again, it's Liverpool.
    Until 1964 most Liverpool MPs were Tory.
    The LDs were strong there much more recently.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    justin124 said:

    MaxPB said:

    More info here:

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/mayor-liverpool-joe-anderson-arrested-19399231

    This could have interesting ramifications, and not just because of Joe Anderson.

    Could it? Surely Labour just put up a other donkey with a red rosette and they win again, it's Liverpool.
    MaxPB said:

    More info here:

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/mayor-liverpool-joe-anderson-arrested-19399231

    This could have interesting ramifications, and not just because of Joe Anderson.

    Could it? Surely Labour just put up a other donkey with a red rosette and they win again, it's Liverpool.
    Until 1964 most Liverpool MPs were Tory.
    And of course for many years it returned the last surviving Irish Nationalist MP:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_Scotland_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,884
    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    To be fair to Liz Truss, she has at least been getting on with the job of achieving the continuity trade deals to replace a small amount of what we would otherwise be losing. It's no more than any average minister in her position should be able to do, but in this government a spot of average competence does rather stand out as excellent in comparison to, say, the Education department. Of course, she massively overstates the importance of these deals, which no doubt endears her to the faithful. The 100-1 does look worth a small punt.

    The Cabinet minister who seems to be most underrated is Thérèse Coffey, who seems to be quietly getting on with her job and under whose management the DWP seems to have managed the huge additional take-up of Universal Credit without any of the usual screw-ups. I suppose quiet competence counts for little, though. You need to add a Sunak-style dose of self-promotion.

    Coffey has a +41% rating ie higher than Boris and most of the Cabinet with ConHome readers so not bad
    Coffey is another woman at or near the top of government with a background in science (she has a PhD in chemistry).
    Yes, went to a drinks reception with her last year, she was very knowledgeable and with a PhD in Chemistry and business experience at Mars makes a change for those complaining there are too many PPE grad, ex Spads in Cabinet
    Did you hold your own?
    She was quite personable to talk to so as much as I could, she is actually the closest thing to a British Merkel
    Not at all. Ms Sturgeon is. Ms Coffey is nowhere near power.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,884
    ydoethur said:

    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    John O'Groats-Land's End 'record speed' driver cleared

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-55177486

    His winning defence seems to have been a told a load of lies.

    Why did the police take his blog at face value?
    I knew a colleague who swore he left UEA (Norwich) at 2pm, to give a 5 pm lecture at Exeter (around 300 miles) and made it on time... Lots of motorway, but even so...
    Even less plausible given he would have had to drive past Birmingham or London. Sometimes takes three hours just to travel the M42, and as for the M25...
    Feel brie to do a really good cheese pun.
    Ummm - why? Is there some dairy significance to Exeter, Norwich and the routes between that I’ve missed?

    I mean the Birmingham route does go fairly close to Cheddar, but even so...
    https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/268768873
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,224
    ydoethur said:

    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    John O'Groats-Land's End 'record speed' driver cleared

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-55177486

    His winning defence seems to have been a told a load of lies.

    Why did the police take his blog at face value?
    I knew a colleague who swore he left UEA (Norwich) at 2pm, to give a 5 pm lecture at Exeter (around 300 miles) and made it on time... Lots of motorway, but even so...
    Even less plausible given he would have had to drive past Birmingham or London. Sometimes takes three hours just to travel the M42, and as for the M25...
    Feel brie to do a really good cheese pun.
    Ummm - why? Is there some dairy significance to Exeter, Norwich and the routes between that I’ve missed?

    I mean the Birmingham route does go fairly close to Cheddar, but even so...
    That's not one of your best but thank you anywhey.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,593
    edited December 2020
    HYUFD said:
    The 24% probably live mostly in Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and London.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,137
    edited December 2020
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    To be fair to Liz Truss, she has at least been getting on with the job of achieving the continuity trade deals to replace a small amount of what we would otherwise be losing. It's no more than any average minister in her position should be able to do, but in this government a spot of average competence does rather stand out as excellent in comparison to, say, the Education department. Of course, she massively overstates the importance of these deals, which no doubt endears her to the faithful. The 100-1 does look worth a small punt.

    The Cabinet minister who seems to be most underrated is Thérèse Coffey, who seems to be quietly getting on with her job and under whose management the DWP seems to have managed the huge additional take-up of Universal Credit without any of the usual screw-ups. I suppose quiet competence counts for little, though. You need to add a Sunak-style dose of self-promotion.

    Coffey has a +41% rating ie higher than Boris and most of the Cabinet with ConHome readers so not bad
    Coffey is another woman at or near the top of government with a background in science (she has a PhD in chemistry).
    Yes, went to a drinks reception with her last year, she was very knowledgeable and with a PhD in Chemistry and business experience at Mars makes a change for those complaining there are too many PPE grad, ex Spads in Cabinet
    Did you hold your own?
    She was quite personable to talk to so as much as I could, she is actually the closest thing to a British Merkel
    Not at all. Ms Sturgeon is. Ms Coffey is nowhere near power.
    No she isn't, Sturgeon is a nationalist ex lawyer, Merkel is a centre right ex scientist
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,209
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:
    I wonder how sorry Biden would be if Warnock lost, and Osoff won?

    Given Romney now seems semi-detached from the Republicans anyway and might be willing to cut deals, I suspect a Senate he has to horse trade with might be to his taste.
    Indeed, Biden would probably secretly prefer having Romney as the casting vote in the Senate to Democrat complete control of Congress, so he can get through reasonable deals while still being able to blame the GOP for holding things up and not seeing AOC with too much power
    First: this is the Senate, and not the House of Representatives.

    Second: both Sistema in Arizona and Joe Manchin in West Virginia are pretty independently minded. (Manchin in particular is a Democrat in a deeply red state. I can't see him signing up to... well... pretty much anything that AOC likes.)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,884
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    To be fair to Liz Truss, she has at least been getting on with the job of achieving the continuity trade deals to replace a small amount of what we would otherwise be losing. It's no more than any average minister in her position should be able to do, but in this government a spot of average competence does rather stand out as excellent in comparison to, say, the Education department. Of course, she massively overstates the importance of these deals, which no doubt endears her to the faithful. The 100-1 does look worth a small punt.

    The Cabinet minister who seems to be most underrated is Thérèse Coffey, who seems to be quietly getting on with her job and under whose management the DWP seems to have managed the huge additional take-up of Universal Credit without any of the usual screw-ups. I suppose quiet competence counts for little, though. You need to add a Sunak-style dose of self-promotion.

    Coffey has a +41% rating ie higher than Boris and most of the Cabinet with ConHome readers so not bad
    Coffey is another woman at or near the top of government with a background in science (she has a PhD in chemistry).
    Yes, went to a drinks reception with her last year, she was very knowledgeable and with a PhD in Chemistry and business experience at Mars makes a change for those complaining there are too many PPE grad, ex Spads in Cabinet
    Did you hold your own?
    She was quite personable to talk to so as much as I could, she is actually the closest thing to a British Merkel
    Not at all. Ms Sturgeon is. Ms Coffey is nowhere near power.
    No she isn't, Sturgeon is a nationalist ex lawyer, Merkel is a centre right ex scientist
    You mean Ms Coffey isn't a British nationalist? Ooh, better kick her out of the Tory Party.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,209
    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    kle4 said:

    geoffw said:

    BBC: "France could veto a deal if it is not in the interests of the fishing industry."

    A veto would be good for French fisherfolk?

    I think you might have put your finger on a slight problemette with their position...
    It's about money, not fish, according to the Telegraph.

    Macron is gambling that France could be a winner from a no-deal Brexit
    Paris is the only real contender to London as the Continent’s finance hub, and a no-deal Brexit may well give it the edge

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/12/04/macron-gambling-france-could-winner-no-deal-brexit/
    Is 'Paris/Frankfurt to be new financial hub for continental Europe' the pro-EU version of 'German car makers will save Brexit'?
    There is a slight difference: Paris and Frankfurt really, really, really want to be the twin financial hubs of Europe and probably have a means of getting there. The German car makers never wanted to influence the UK's Brexit agreement and wouldn't have been able to do so if they had.
    I really want to shag Natalie Portman, I also have the means of doing so, just need to fly to New York, find her and hope for the best.
    I thought she lived in Paris?
    She's lives here in LA, but I haven't seen her recently*.

    * Or indeed ever. But I did see Gwyneth Paltrow make an illegal left turn our of Erewhon the other day
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,137
    edited December 2020
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:
    I wonder how sorry Biden would be if Warnock lost, and Osoff won?

    Given Romney now seems semi-detached from the Republicans anyway and might be willing to cut deals, I suspect a Senate he has to horse trade with might be to his taste.
    Indeed, Biden would probably secretly prefer having Romney as the casting vote in the Senate to Democrat complete control of Congress, so he can get through reasonable deals while still being able to blame the GOP for holding things up and not seeing AOC with too much power
    First: this is the Senate, and not the House of Representatives.

    Second: both Sistema in Arizona and Joe Manchin in West Virginia are pretty independently minded. (Manchin in particular is a Democrat in a deeply red state. I can't see him signing up to... well... pretty much anything that AOC likes.)
    If Presidents see their parties hold both chambers of Congress they then tend to see them get trounced in their first midterms as they get all the blame eg Trump in 2018, Obama in 2010, Clinton in 1994, Ike in 1954 etc, Presidents without their party in complete control of Congress tend to do better in their first midterms eg Bush in 2002, Bush in 1990, Reagan in 1982, Nixon in 1970
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    kle4 said:

    geoffw said:

    BBC: "France could veto a deal if it is not in the interests of the fishing industry."

    A veto would be good for French fisherfolk?

    I think you might have put your finger on a slight problemette with their position...
    It's about money, not fish, according to the Telegraph.

    Macron is gambling that France could be a winner from a no-deal Brexit
    Paris is the only real contender to London as the Continent’s finance hub, and a no-deal Brexit may well give it the edge

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/12/04/macron-gambling-france-could-winner-no-deal-brexit/
    Is 'Paris/Frankfurt to be new financial hub for continental Europe' the pro-EU version of 'German car makers will save Brexit'?
    There is a slight difference: Paris and Frankfurt really, really, really want to be the twin financial hubs of Europe and probably have a means of getting there. The German car makers never wanted to influence the UK's Brexit agreement and wouldn't have been able to do so if they had.
    I really want to shag Natalie Portman, I also have the means of doing so, just need to fly to New York, find her and hope for the best.
    I always get her to come to me, but then I'm lazy.
    Last time she was at Chez BJO


    She mentioned her father was a Gynecologist


    Too much information love I said
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,593
    O/T

    Tonight on BBC4 it's 26th April 1990 and 3rd May 1990 with Top of the Pops.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/schedules/p00fzl6b
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    kle4 said:

    geoffw said:

    BBC: "France could veto a deal if it is not in the interests of the fishing industry."

    A veto would be good for French fisherfolk?

    I think you might have put your finger on a slight problemette with their position...
    It's about money, not fish, according to the Telegraph.

    Macron is gambling that France could be a winner from a no-deal Brexit
    Paris is the only real contender to London as the Continent’s finance hub, and a no-deal Brexit may well give it the edge

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/12/04/macron-gambling-france-could-winner-no-deal-brexit/
    Is 'Paris/Frankfurt to be new financial hub for continental Europe' the pro-EU version of 'German car makers will save Brexit'?
    There is a slight difference: Paris and Frankfurt really, really, really want to be the twin financial hubs of Europe and probably have a means of getting there. The German car makers never wanted to influence the UK's Brexit agreement and wouldn't have been able to do so if they had.
    I really want to shag Natalie Portman, I also have the means of doing so, just need to fly to New York, find her and hope for the best.
    I always get her to come to me, but then I'm lazy.
    And you're more likely to shag Natalie Portman than Paris is to becoming a global financial hub.
  • HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    To be fair to Liz Truss, she has at least been getting on with the job of achieving the continuity trade deals to replace a small amount of what we would otherwise be losing. It's no more than any average minister in her position should be able to do, but in this government a spot of average competence does rather stand out as excellent in comparison to, say, the Education department. Of course, she massively overstates the importance of these deals, which no doubt endears her to the faithful. The 100-1 does look worth a small punt.

    The Cabinet minister who seems to be most underrated is Thérèse Coffey, who seems to be quietly getting on with her job and under whose management the DWP seems to have managed the huge additional take-up of Universal Credit without any of the usual screw-ups. I suppose quiet competence counts for little, though. You need to add a Sunak-style dose of self-promotion.

    Coffey has a +41% rating ie higher than Boris and most of the Cabinet with ConHome readers so not bad
    Coffey is another woman at or near the top of government with a background in science (she has a PhD in chemistry).
    Yes, went to a drinks reception with her last year, she was very knowledgeable and with a PhD in Chemistry and business experience at Mars makes a change for those complaining there are too many PPE grad, ex Spads in Cabinet
    Did you hold your own?
    She was quite personable to talk to so as much as I could, she is actually the closest thing to a British Merkel
    What was your and Tessy's toon?

    https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson_MP/status/1301066733860655105?s=20
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Some dogs ate my homework excuses from members of Liverpool City Council, who forgot to pay their council tax.

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/revealed-eight-city-councillors-handed-12958675

    One was the Mayor's daughter.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    dr_spyn said:

    Some dogs ate my homework excuses from members of Liverpool City Council, who forgot to pay their council tax.

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/revealed-eight-city-councillors-handed-12958675

    One was the Mayor's daughter.

    Somebody genuinely did tell me once that they hadn’t got their homework because, ‘the dog ate my USB pen.’

    The more amazing part was when I rang home I found they were telling the truth.
  • Alistair said:

    HYUFD said:
    Thank goodness, I was desperate to find out the polling of the group who got the Georgia Governor race wrong by 10 points in 2018.
    But Trump wasn't really on the ticket then.

    Oh.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    John O'Groats-Land's End 'record speed' driver cleared

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-55177486

    His winning defence seems to have been a told a load of lies.

    Why did the police take his blog at face value?
    I knew a colleague who swore he left UEA (Norwich) at 2pm, to give a 5 pm lecture at Exeter (around 300 miles) and made it on time... Lots of motorway, but even so...
    Even less plausible given he would have had to drive past Birmingham or London. Sometimes takes three hours just to travel the M42, and as for the M25...
    Feel brie to do a really good cheese pun.
    Ummm - why? Is there some dairy significance to Exeter, Norwich and the routes between that I’ve missed?

    I mean the Birmingham route does go fairly close to Cheddar, but even so...
    That's not one of your best but thank you anywhey.
    I've been thinking about this caerphilly, and I can't for the life of me see where the cheese theme comes from. Explain?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    IshmaelZ said:

    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    John O'Groats-Land's End 'record speed' driver cleared

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-55177486

    His winning defence seems to have been a told a load of lies.

    Why did the police take his blog at face value?
    I knew a colleague who swore he left UEA (Norwich) at 2pm, to give a 5 pm lecture at Exeter (around 300 miles) and made it on time... Lots of motorway, but even so...
    Even less plausible given he would have had to drive past Birmingham or London. Sometimes takes three hours just to travel the M42, and as for the M25...
    Feel brie to do a really good cheese pun.
    Ummm - why? Is there some dairy significance to Exeter, Norwich and the routes between that I’ve missed?

    I mean the Birmingham route does go fairly close to Cheddar, but even so...
    That's not one of your best but thank you anywhey.
    I've been thinking about this caerphilly, and I can't for the life of me see where the cheese theme comes from. Explain?
    You don’t know?

    That. Is. A. Disgrace.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    edited December 2020
    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    The reason Johnson is down to 2.9 is because in the immortal words of Jess Phillips "He's a liar. He's just a liar" . There was a time when the zeitgeist was happy with liars whether daubed on the side of busses or sent out on tweets but not now. The pendulum has swung and It doesn't look like it'll swing back soon.

    Quite the opposite. He's been telling them the truth - that Covid is real and we have to do something about it, that we might just possibly want an agreement with that large landmass hovering off our shores - and they don't much care for it.
    You sound disaffected with your rank and file. Promising development.
    Hardly my rank and file - ConHome is to actual Conservatives what Red Rose Twitter is to Labour. I care much more about the national polling than what those knobbers think.

    They should really ask a supplementary to find out what percentage of respondents are following Toby on Covid. That would tell us all we need to know.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    The reason Johnson is down to 2.9 is because in the immortal words of Jess Phillips "He's a liar. He's just a liar" . There was a time when the zeitgeist was happy with liars whether daubed on the side of busses or sent out on tweets but not now. The pendulum has swung and It doesn't look like it'll swing back soon.

    Quite the opposite. He's been telling them the truth - that Covid is real and we have to do something about it, that we might just possibly want an agreement with that large landmass hovering off our shores - and they don't much care for it.
    So how do you explain your leader coming 22nd in a Tory popularity contest behind at least a dozen no one's ever heard of
    At least we can see why it is handy to have Goofy Gavin still around.

    Why is milling so unpopular?
    Because although she’s a nice enough person, she’s a bit shit.
    Considering the competition, that is insufficient explanation
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,998
    edited December 2020
    Robbie Williams on the one show.
    No hard interrogation of his QAnonanism so far.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    The reason Johnson is down to 2.9 is because in the immortal words of Jess Phillips "He's a liar. He's just a liar" . There was a time when the zeitgeist was happy with liars whether daubed on the side of busses or sent out on tweets but not now. The pendulum has swung and It doesn't look like it'll swing back soon.

    Quite the opposite. He's been telling them the truth - that Covid is real and we have to do something about it, that we might just possibly want an agreement with that large landmass hovering off our shores - and they don't much care for it.
    So how do you explain your leader coming 22nd in a Tory popularity contest behind at least a dozen no one's ever heard of
    At least we can see why it is handy to have Goofy Gavin still around.

    Why is milling so unpopular?
    Because although she’s a nice enough person, she’s a bit shit.
    Considering the competition, that is insufficient explanation
    She’s a party chairman nobody outside her constituency has ever heard of.

    Which rather sums up the problem.
  • .
    kle4 said:

    geoffw said:

    BBC: "France could veto a deal if it is not in the interests of the fishing industry."

    A veto would be good for French fisherfolk?

    I think you might have put your finger on a slight problemette with their position...
    It's about money, not fish, according to the Telegraph.

    Macron is gambling that France could be a winner from a no-deal Brexit
    Paris is the only real contender to London as the Continent’s finance hub, and a no-deal Brexit may well give it the edge

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/12/04/macron-gambling-france-could-winner-no-deal-brexit/
    Is 'Paris/Frankfurt to be new financial hub for continental Europe' the pro-EU version of 'German car makers will save Brexit'?
    Is it really pro-EU to suggest Paris hopes to profit at our demise? Anti-Brexit perhaps but not pro-EU.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    edited December 2020
    IshmaelZ said:

    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    John O'Groats-Land's End 'record speed' driver cleared

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-55177486

    His winning defence seems to have been a told a load of lies.

    Why did the police take his blog at face value?
    I knew a colleague who swore he left UEA (Norwich) at 2pm, to give a 5 pm lecture at Exeter (around 300 miles) and made it on time... Lots of motorway, but even so...
    Even less plausible given he would have had to drive past Birmingham or London. Sometimes takes three hours just to travel the M42, and as for the M25...
    Feel brie to do a really good cheese pun.
    Ummm - why? Is there some dairy significance to Exeter, Norwich and the routes between that I’ve missed?

    I mean the Birmingham route does go fairly close to Cheddar, but even so...
    That's not one of your best but thank you anywhey.
    I've been thinking about this caerphilly, and I can't for the life of me see where the cheese theme comes from. Explain?
    Ask Bert, he knows. Come on, Bert....
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    edited December 2020

    Robbie Williams on the one show.
    No hard interrogation of his QAnonanism so far.

    And the One Show is usually worse than Paxman with a rat up his arse, according to Natalie
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    ydoethur said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Some dogs ate my homework excuses from members of Liverpool City Council, who forgot to pay their council tax.

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/revealed-eight-city-councillors-handed-12958675

    One was the Mayor's daughter.

    Somebody genuinely did tell me once that they hadn’t got their homework because, ‘the dog ate my USB pen.’

    The more amazing part was when I rang home I found they were telling the truth.
    My dog never ate my homework but she did eat £25 (2 tenners and a fiver)
  • pingping Posts: 3,805

    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    To be fair to Liz Truss, she has at least been getting on with the job of achieving the continuity trade deals to replace a small amount of what we would otherwise be losing. It's no more than any average minister in her position should be able to do, but in this government a spot of average competence does rather stand out as excellent in comparison to, say, the Education department. Of course, she massively overstates the importance of these deals, which no doubt endears her to the faithful. The 100-1 does look worth a small punt.

    The Cabinet minister who seems to be most underrated is Thérèse Coffey, who seems to be quietly getting on with her job and under whose management the DWP seems to have managed the huge additional take-up of Universal Credit without any of the usual screw-ups. I suppose quiet competence counts for little, though. You need to add a Sunak-style dose of self-promotion.

    Coffey has a +41% rating ie higher than Boris and most of the Cabinet with ConHome readers so not bad
    Coffey is another woman at or near the top of government with a background in science (she has a PhD in chemistry).
    Yes, went to a drinks reception with her last year, she was very knowledgeable and with a PhD in Chemistry and business experience at Mars makes a change for those complaining there are too many PPE grad, ex Spads in Cabinet
    Did you hold your own?
    She was quite personable to talk to so as much as I could, she is actually the closest thing to a British Merkel
    What was your and Tessy's toon?

    https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson_MP/status/1301066733860655105?s=20
    I cannot unhear that.....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    ydoethur said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Some dogs ate my homework excuses from members of Liverpool City Council, who forgot to pay their council tax.

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/revealed-eight-city-councillors-handed-12958675

    One was the Mayor's daughter.

    Somebody genuinely did tell me once that they hadn’t got their homework because, ‘the dog ate my USB pen.’

    The more amazing part was when I rang home I found they were telling the truth.
    My dog never ate my homework but she did eat £25 (2 tenners and a fiver)
    There was once a dog with £1995 up its arse.

    It didn’t feel too grand.
  • ydoethur said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Some dogs ate my homework excuses from members of Liverpool City Council, who forgot to pay their council tax.

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/revealed-eight-city-councillors-handed-12958675

    One was the Mayor's daughter.

    Somebody genuinely did tell me once that they hadn’t got their homework because, ‘the dog ate my USB pen.’

    The more amazing part was when I rang home I found they were telling the truth.
    Or they'd been well briefed.
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