The language of some of the Trump acolytes is terrifying - they claim to be democrats but only as long as the democracy gives them the result they want.
More than one is now urging State legislatures to by-pass the will of the people in the State and go to the Electoral College and support Trump even if more people in their state voted for Biden.
It would be like the people of Surrey voting in 8 Liberal Democrat MPs and 3 Conservative MPs and the Conservative-controlled County Council deciding the eight LD MPs would be replaced by eight County Councillors (Conservative of course).
As usual, such claims are "supported" by frankly nonsensical allegations of vote-rigging which would do the average banana republic proud.
The GOP has had four years to prepare for this election, State legislatures have had plenty of opportunity to defraud the electorate and rig the vote and yet the Trump supporters seem to think somehow Democrats have been able to by-pass Republican officials and fix the election.
The depressing thing is free speech means we are forced to endure these rantings.
As I've mentioned before, i think Buttigieg would not fare well against many Republican candidates. Bright as he is, and I would be happy to be proved wrong, he looks to me very much a Clinton-era politician.
Does anyone else think it was maybe Martin Bashir who killed Diana?
If her brother's claims are true, what Bashir invented to get the interview would have made her extremely, probably dangerously, paranoid.
Of course not. Diana died in a car accident in which she was a passenger.
She was possibly the world’s most prominent victim of drunk driving.
It wouldn’t even be controversial if Mohammed Fayed were not desperate to conceal the awkward truth that it was largely his fault they were being driven by a drunk.
The language of some of the Trump acolytes is terrifying - they claim to be democrats but only as long as the democracy gives them the result they want.
More than one is now urging State legislatures to by-pass the will of the people in the State and go to the Electoral College and support Trump even if more people in their state voted for Biden.
It would be like the people of Surrey voting in 8 Liberal Democrat MPs and 3 Conservative MPs and the Conservative-controlled County Council deciding the eight LD MPs would be replaced by eight County Councillors (Conservative of course).
As usual, such claims are "supported" by frankly nonsensical allegations of vote-rigging which would do the average banana republic proud.
The GOP has had four years to prepare for this election, State legislatures have had plenty of opportunity to defraud the electorate and rig the vote and yet the Trump supporters seem to think somehow Democrats have been able to by-pass Republican officials and fix the election.
The depressing thing is free speech means we are forced to endure these rantings.
Will people be pressured into having the vaccine even if they don't want to?
If you mean by ‘pressured,’ ‘forced to take the vaccine or stay in their houses all the time and never get a decent job, take a holiday or have a life,’ then yes.
If you mean, ‘have a gun pointed at their head and told to take that shot or this shot,’ probably not.
Surely Harris will be in pole position come 2024 for the democrat nomination.
Is Yang not in with a shout?
Harris would start favorite, but not a shoo-in, imo.
I really like Yang as an individual, super interesting guy, very smart, has identified big issues (don't agree with all the solutions), but he is never getting the nomination. He isn't part of the party machinery.
On then to the vaccine and it seems for the stock market it's unalloyed good news.
Unlike some on here, I'm no epidemiologist so as far as the vaccine is concerned, will we need to take it every year or will immunity build up over time? The former might be a decent option fr those making the vaccine but the prospect of a single lifetime immunity would be truly impressive.
Let's administer the vaccine free of charge to all - rich or poor, it should make no difference. We've all been through a lot.
On then to the cultural consequences of a vaccine - I'm already hearing the siren voices saying everything will return to "normal" and that 2021 will be one big Party. I'm less convinced - the psychological trauma of 2020 will be with us for years to come and we shouldn't lose sight of the near 70,000 who have died, those whose health has been permanently damaged by the virus and those who have suffered through being confined.
Perhaps this experience will make us take our public and personal health a bit less for granted and it won't do any harm for us to make some changes rather than go back to January 2020 and try to forget everything that has happened.
It would be easy to forget but the independent public enquiry Boris promised must happen - there must be a proper accounting of decisions taken and not taken especially on care homes and if that means Ministers are sacked, so be it.
The language of some of the Trump acolytes is terrifying - they claim to be democrats but only as long as the democracy gives them the result they want.
More than one is now urging State legislatures to by-pass the will of the people in the State and go to the Electoral College and support Trump even if more people in their state voted for Biden.
It would be like the people of Surrey voting in 8 Liberal Democrat MPs and 3 Conservative MPs and the Conservative-controlled County Council deciding the eight LD MPs would be replaced by eight County Councillors (Conservative of course).
As usual, such claims are "supported" by frankly nonsensical allegations of vote-rigging which would do the average banana republic proud.
The GOP has had four years to prepare for this election, State legislatures have had plenty of opportunity to defraud the electorate and rig the vote and yet the Trump supporters seem to think somehow Democrats have been able to by-pass Republican officials and fix the election.
The depressing thing is free speech means we are forced to endure these rantings.
As I remarked earlier. Conservatives on the SC has been elevated to sacred status. There is a widespread, genuine belief that their control of it means total, untrammelled power for 2 generations. Regardless of elections. Hence calls for it to "step in" and overturn the vote. This is a fundamentally undemocratic movement.
On then to the vaccine and it seems for the stock market it's unalloyed good news.
Unlike some on here, I'm no epidemiologist so as far as the vaccine is concerned, will we need to take it every year or will immunity build up over time? The former might be a decent option fr those making the vaccine but the prospect of a single lifetime immunity would be truly impressive.
Let's administer the vaccine free of charge to all - rich or poor, it should make no difference. We've all been through a lot.
On then to the cultural consequences of a vaccine - I'm already hearing the siren voices saying everything will return to "normal" and that 2021 will be one big Party. I'm less convinced - the psychological trauma of 2020 will be with us for years to come and we shouldn't lose sight of the near 70,000 who have died, those whose health has been permanently damaged by the virus and those who have suffered through being confined.
Perhaps this experience will make us take our public and personal health a bit less for granted and it won't do any harm for us to make some changes rather than go back to January 2020 and try to forget everything that has happened.
It would be easy to forget but the independent public enquiry Boris promised must happen - there must be a proper accounting of decisions taken and not taken especially on care homes and if that means Ministers are sacked, so be it.
Surely Harris will be in pole position come 2024 for the democrat nomination.
Is Yang not in with a shout?
Harris would start favorite, but not a shoo-in, imo.
I really like Yang as an individual, super interesting guy, very smart, has identified big issues (don't agree with all the solutions), but he is never getting the nomination. He isn't part of the party machinery.
He could become so, though. The kind of combined Sanders/Yang ticket that some were talking about would have been fascinating.
The language of some of the Trump acolytes is terrifying - they claim to be democrats but only as long as the democracy gives them the result they want.
More than one is now urging State legislatures to by-pass the will of the people in the State and go to the Electoral College and support Trump even if more people in their state voted for Biden.
It would be like the people of Surrey voting in 8 Liberal Democrat MPs and 3 Conservative MPs and the Conservative-controlled County Council deciding the eight LD MPs would be replaced by eight County Councillors (Conservative of course).
As usual, such claims are "supported" by frankly nonsensical allegations of vote-rigging which would do the average banana republic proud.
The GOP has had four years to prepare for this election, State legislatures have had plenty of opportunity to defraud the electorate and rig the vote and yet the Trump supporters seem to think somehow Democrats have been able to by-pass Republican officials and fix the election.
The depressing thing is free speech means we are forced to endure these rantings.
It needs Mitch McConnell to intervene.
Isn't he a big part of the problem? He decided long ago that Party came before Country.
The best thing for the US and for the GOP would be Trump moving his attention on to 2024 and thereby accepting the 2020 result. Plenty of time to sideline him later; indeed his political operation, such as it is, is highly likely to collapse quickly of its own accord.
I would imagine the cruise industry is already setting up the protocols which mean you will only be allowed to board a ship if you can prove you have had the vaccine administered.
He says that he didn't know her name. I suppose I could use Google to see if there has ever been a more pathetic excuse.
Well, there’s Cummings and his eye test.
The best one I ever heard though was a pseudoscholar called David Fitzgerald, who claimed he had written a book proving a loony fringe theory to be true. On having it pointed out to him that he had offered no proof whatsoever, he said that the evidence was in his original draft but he left it out because it made the book too long.
I suspect Trump will be a distant memory by 2024. Yes, his supporters are exploding at the moment, but things move quickly in politics and I don't suppose too many of them have huge attention spans. It's like those Tories in 1990 who, for a short while, were convinced that Maggie would return one day.
As I've mentioned before, i think Buttigieg would not fare well against many Republican candidates. Bright as he is, and I would be happy to be proved wrong, he looks to me very much a Clinton-era politician.
I agree. I'm not on the Pete train. I'm a bit Shania on him.
The language of some of the Trump acolytes is terrifying - they claim to be democrats but only as long as the democracy gives them the result they want.
More than one is now urging State legislatures to by-pass the will of the people in the State and go to the Electoral College and support Trump even if more people in their state voted for Biden.
It would be like the people of Surrey voting in 8 Liberal Democrat MPs and 3 Conservative MPs and the Conservative-controlled County Council deciding the eight LD MPs would be replaced by eight County Councillors (Conservative of course).
As usual, such claims are "supported" by frankly nonsensical allegations of vote-rigging which would do the average banana republic proud.
The GOP has had four years to prepare for this election, State legislatures have had plenty of opportunity to defraud the electorate and rig the vote and yet the Trump supporters seem to think somehow Democrats have been able to by-pass Republican officials and fix the election.
The depressing thing is free speech means we are forced to endure these rantings.
It needs Mitch McConnell to intervene.
Isn't he a big part of the problem? He decided long ago that Party came before Country.
His party is at risk of permanent damage if they do not disown this loser pronto.
He says that he didn't know her name. I suppose I could use Google to see if there has ever been a more pathetic excuse.
He doesn't know the name of the newly elected VP of the USA, nor basic facts about the US Constitution. I, for one, rejoice that we have a Upper House of "experts in their field" to scrutinise.
He says that he didn't know her name. I suppose I could use Google to see if there has ever been a more pathetic excuse.
He doesn't know the name of the newly elected VP of the USA, nor basic facts about the US Constitution. I, for one, rejoice that we have a Upper House of "experts in their field" to scrutinise.
There are probably few with greater expertise in being an utter pillock than he.
I suspect Trump will be a distant memory by 2024. Yes, his supporters are exploding at the moment, but things move quickly in politics and I don't suppose too many of them have huge attention spans. It's like those Tories in 1990 who, for a short while, were convinced that Maggie would return one day.
He has added 100k twitter followers since the election. Possibly people waiting to see him quit?
I suspect Trump will be a distant memory by 2024. Yes, his supporters are exploding at the moment, but things move quickly in politics and I don't suppose too many of them have huge attention spans. It's like those Tories in 1990 who, for a short while, were convinced that Maggie would return one day.
He has added 100k twitter followers since the election. Possibly people waiting to see him quit?
Well, I would be tempted to follow. Comedy gold like he’s put out recently doesn’t come round too often.
Surely Harris will be in pole position come 2024 for the democrat nomination.
Is Yang not in with a shout?
Harris would start favorite, but not a shoo-in, imo.
I really like Yang as an individual, super interesting guy, very smart, has identified big issues (don't agree with all the solutions), but he is never getting the nomination. He isn't part of the party machinery.
My son really liked his program, especially the Universal Wage idea, but he's a bit geeky.
I suspect Trump will be a distant memory by 2024. Yes, his supporters are exploding at the moment, but things move quickly in politics and I don't suppose too many of them have huge attention spans. It's like those Tories in 1990 who, for a short while, were convinced that Maggie would return one day.
He has added 100k twitter followers since the election. Possibly people waiting to see him quit?
Well, I would be tempted to follow. Comedy gold like he’s put out recently doesn’t come round too often.
But then you would have to join twitter and thus make a public declaration that you are an arse. Not attractive.
He says that he didn't know her name. I suppose I could use Google to see if there has ever been a more pathetic excuse.
He doesn't know the name of the newly elected VP of the USA, nor basic facts about the US Constitution. I, for one, rejoice that we have a Upper House of "experts in their field" to scrutinise.
I don't know what we'd do without them but I would really like to find out.
The language of some of the Trump acolytes is terrifying - they claim to be democrats but only as long as the democracy gives them the result they want.
More than one is now urging State legislatures to by-pass the will of the people in the State and go to the Electoral College and support Trump even if more people in their state voted for Biden.
It would be like the people of Surrey voting in 8 Liberal Democrat MPs and 3 Conservative MPs and the Conservative-controlled County Council deciding the eight LD MPs would be replaced by eight County Councillors (Conservative of course).
As usual, such claims are "supported" by frankly nonsensical allegations of vote-rigging which would do the average banana republic proud.
The GOP has had four years to prepare for this election, State legislatures have had plenty of opportunity to defraud the electorate and rig the vote and yet the Trump supporters seem to think somehow Democrats have been able to by-pass Republican officials and fix the election.
The depressing thing is free speech means we are forced to endure these rantings.
It needs Mitch McConnell to intervene.
Isn't he a big part of the problem? He decided long ago that Party came before Country.
His party is at risk of permanent damage if they do not disown this loser pronto.
I fear you are imagining a return of the Republican party of Reagan and Bush.
That is not happening, more likely is a shift to QAnon, but most likely is sticking with Trumpism, and probably the Trumps. Far from being permanently damaged they are remarkably successful still and may well have beaten any of Harris, Buttigieg, Sanders, Warren this time around, or indeed Biden if Pfizers announcement was a week or two earlier.
As much as I wish your statement were true, the evidence points to the contrary, Trumpism could pretty much guarantee 65 million votes + in 2024 (efficiently distributed by state). It is a strong base to build on if Trump stays interested.
If we are no longer under the aegis of the EUMA, who is certifying this vaccine for us?
Mhra
Who might be quicker off the mark than the EMA which has yet to authorise purchase of the Pfizer vaccine. When the move from London was announced it was pointed out that this would lead to reduced capacity at least initially
He says that he didn't know her name. I suppose I could use Google to see if there has ever been a more pathetic excuse.
He doesn't know the name of the newly elected VP of the USA, nor basic facts about the US Constitution. I, for one, rejoice that we have a Upper House of "experts in their field" to scrutinise.
There are probably few with greater expertise in being an utter pillock than he.
There are around 800 members, chances are there are a few more at least.
I think there is certainly a risk of a Trump 2024 run. However, we must balance this against:
1. The way the wind is blowing. If Democrats are popular (big if) and it looks unlikely that a GOP nominee will win, I doubt he’ll go for it.
2. He will likely be caught up in all sorts of legal woes by then. However there is a chance he spins those as some kind of witch hunt, which could make him even more popular.
3. You have to consider what his health might be like by that point. He will be in his late 70s (yes, so is Biden, but is much more active). Sorry to be blunt, but you have to consider the possibility he might even be dead in 2024.
He says that he didn't know her name. I suppose I could use Google to see if there has ever been a more pathetic excuse.
He doesn't know the name of the newly elected VP of the USA, nor basic facts about the US Constitution. I, for one, rejoice that we have a Upper House of "experts in their field" to scrutinise.
There are probably few with greater expertise in being an utter pillock than he.
There are around 800 members, chances are there are a few more at least.
Even among more members than you will see in the backdrop of a Trump speech, he stands out as a special one.
Surely Harris will be in pole position come 2024 for the democrat nomination.
Yes, I agree, on a number of counts. I suspect that Biden will push her well to the fore from the start. And this time there will be a good part of the Democrats' base supporting her from the outset. The nomination is hers to lose.
The language of some of the Trump acolytes is terrifying - they claim to be democrats but only as long as the democracy gives them the result they want.
More than one is now urging State legislatures to by-pass the will of the people in the State and go to the Electoral College and support Trump even if more people in their state voted for Biden.
It would be like the people of Surrey voting in 8 Liberal Democrat MPs and 3 Conservative MPs and the Conservative-controlled County Council deciding the eight LD MPs would be replaced by eight County Councillors (Conservative of course).
As usual, such claims are "supported" by frankly nonsensical allegations of vote-rigging which would do the average banana republic proud.
The GOP has had four years to prepare for this election, State legislatures have had plenty of opportunity to defraud the electorate and rig the vote and yet the Trump supporters seem to think somehow Democrats have been able to by-pass Republican officials and fix the election.
The depressing thing is free speech means we are forced to endure these rantings.
It needs Mitch McConnell to intervene.
Isn't he a big part of the problem? He decided long ago that Party came before Country.
His party is at risk of permanent damage if they do not disown this loser pronto.
I fear you are imagining a return of the Republican party of Reagan and Bush.
That is not happening, more likely is a shift to QAnon, but most likely is sticking with Trumpism, and probably the Trumps. Far from being permanently damaged they are remarkably successful still and may well have beaten any of Harris, Buttigieg, Sanders, Warren this time around, or indeed Biden if Pfizers announcement was a week or two earlier.
As much as I wish your statement were true, the evidence points to the contrary, Trumpism could pretty much guarantee 65 million votes + in 2024 (efficiently distributed by state). It is a strong base to build on if Trump stays interested.
The language of some of the Trump acolytes is terrifying - they claim to be democrats but only as long as the democracy gives them the result they want.
More than one is now urging State legislatures to by-pass the will of the people in the State and go to the Electoral College and support Trump even if more people in their state voted for Biden.
It would be like the people of Surrey voting in 8 Liberal Democrat MPs and 3 Conservative MPs and the Conservative-controlled County Council deciding the eight LD MPs would be replaced by eight County Councillors (Conservative of course).
As usual, such claims are "supported" by frankly nonsensical allegations of vote-rigging which would do the average banana republic proud.
The GOP has had four years to prepare for this election, State legislatures have had plenty of opportunity to defraud the electorate and rig the vote and yet the Trump supporters seem to think somehow Democrats have been able to by-pass Republican officials and fix the election.
The depressing thing is free speech means we are forced to endure these rantings.
It needs Mitch McConnell to intervene.
Isn't he a big part of the problem? He decided long ago that Party came before Country.
His party is at risk of permanent damage if they do not disown this loser pronto.
If we are no longer under the aegis of the EUMA, who is certifying this vaccine for us?
Mhra
Who might be quicker off the mark than the EMA which has yet to authorise purchase of the Pfizer vaccine. When the move from London was announced it was pointed out that this would lead to reduced capacity at least initially
If we'd joined then we'd have had to give up our deals to the EU as well so it would be 40m doses for the EU rather than UK.
I'm sad for all those EU countries that have taken part in this scheme and will be at the back of the queue for a vaccine developed in part by a German company.
He says that he didn't know her name. I suppose I could use Google to see if there has ever been a more pathetic excuse.
His other excuse is that after all he has two "Indians" as tenants in his many properties. A landlordly twist on the old "Some of my best friends..." line.
The language of some of the Trump acolytes is terrifying - they claim to be democrats but only as long as the democracy gives them the result they want.
More than one is now urging State legislatures to by-pass the will of the people in the State and go to the Electoral College and support Trump even if more people in their state voted for Biden.
It would be like the people of Surrey voting in 8 Liberal Democrat MPs and 3 Conservative MPs and the Conservative-controlled County Council deciding the eight LD MPs would be replaced by eight County Councillors (Conservative of course).
As usual, such claims are "supported" by frankly nonsensical allegations of vote-rigging which would do the average banana republic proud.
The GOP has had four years to prepare for this election, State legislatures have had plenty of opportunity to defraud the electorate and rig the vote and yet the Trump supporters seem to think somehow Democrats have been able to by-pass Republican officials and fix the election.
The depressing thing is free speech means we are forced to endure these rantings.
It needs Mitch McConnell to intervene.
Isn't he a big part of the problem? He decided long ago that Party came before Country.
His party is at risk of permanent damage if they do not disown this loser pronto.
I fear you are imagining a return of the Republican party of Reagan and Bush.
That is not happening, more likely is a shift to QAnon, but most likely is sticking with Trumpism, and probably the Trumps. Far from being permanently damaged they are remarkably successful still and may well have beaten any of Harris, Buttigieg, Sanders, Warren this time around, or indeed Biden if Pfizers announcement was a week or two earlier.
As much as I wish your statement were true, the evidence points to the contrary, Trumpism could pretty much guarantee 65 million votes + in 2024 (efficiently distributed by state). It is a strong base to build on if Trump stays interested.
I suspect that in 4 years Trump will be (a) dead (b) in jail (c) bankrupt or (d) some combination of the above. Doesn't mean that the next Republican candidate will not be cut from the same cloth of course.
The language of some of the Trump acolytes is terrifying - they claim to be democrats but only as long as the democracy gives them the result they want.
More than one is now urging State legislatures to by-pass the will of the people in the State and go to the Electoral College and support Trump even if more people in their state voted for Biden.
It would be like the people of Surrey voting in 8 Liberal Democrat MPs and 3 Conservative MPs and the Conservative-controlled County Council deciding the eight LD MPs would be replaced by eight County Councillors (Conservative of course).
As usual, such claims are "supported" by frankly nonsensical allegations of vote-rigging which would do the average banana republic proud.
The GOP has had four years to prepare for this election, State legislatures have had plenty of opportunity to defraud the electorate and rig the vote and yet the Trump supporters seem to think somehow Democrats have been able to by-pass Republican officials and fix the election.
The depressing thing is free speech means we are forced to endure these rantings.
It needs Mitch McConnell to intervene.
Isn't he a big part of the problem? He decided long ago that Party came before Country.
Yes, but of the current Republican leaders he is also least tied into Trumps fate and has just been re-elected at 78 so less bothered about primary challengers than most. He may also decide Party comes before Trump, as well as before country.
He says that he didn't know her name. I suppose I could use Google to see if there has ever been a more pathetic excuse.
Well, there’s Cummings and his eye test.
The best one I ever heard though was a pseudoscholar called David Fitzgerald, who claimed he had written a book proving a loony fringe theory to be true. On having it pointed out to him that he had offered no proof whatsoever, he said that the evidence was in his original draft but he left it out because it made the book too long.
Yes, that's pretty good in a Queen of Hearts kind of way.
Trump could run again but I think Vice President would still be favourite for the GOP nomination eg in France in 2017 Sarkozy ran for the Les Republicains nomination after losing the presidency in 2012 but lost it to his PM Fillon who went on to lose the presidential election to Macron.
In 1980 after Carter lost, the last President before Trump who lost the presidential election after only one term of his party in the White House, his Vice President Mondale won the nomination only to lose the general election to Reagan.
I agree Buttigieg would be a good bet for the Democrats in 2024 if Biden decides not to run for re election and only serve the one term
He says that he didn't know her name. I suppose I could use Google to see if there has ever been a more pathetic excuse.
His other excuse is that after all he has two "Indians" as tenants in his many properties. A landlordly twist on the old "Some of my best friends..." line.
Parliamentarians need to be better at bullcrap than that.
Surely Harris will be in pole position come 2024 for the democrat nomination.
Is Yang not in with a shout?
Harris would start favorite, but not a shoo-in, imo.
I really like Yang as an individual, super interesting guy, very smart, has identified big issues (don't agree with all the solutions), but he is never getting the nomination. He isn't part of the party machinery.
My son really liked his program, especially the Universal Wage idea, but he's a bit geeky.
Hmm...just in case he should ever read that I meant Yang was geeky not my son. Honest.
Consecutively in effect 'Sir John Major said a final vote could be staged on the outcome of the negotiations after an initial referendum on the principle.'
The language of some of the Trump acolytes is terrifying - they claim to be democrats but only as long as the democracy gives them the result they want.
More than one is now urging State legislatures to by-pass the will of the people in the State and go to the Electoral College and support Trump even if more people in their state voted for Biden.
It would be like the people of Surrey voting in 8 Liberal Democrat MPs and 3 Conservative MPs and the Conservative-controlled County Council deciding the eight LD MPs would be replaced by eight County Councillors (Conservative of course).
As usual, such claims are "supported" by frankly nonsensical allegations of vote-rigging which would do the average banana republic proud.
The GOP has had four years to prepare for this election, State legislatures have had plenty of opportunity to defraud the electorate and rig the vote and yet the Trump supporters seem to think somehow Democrats have been able to by-pass Republican officials and fix the election.
The depressing thing is free speech means we are forced to endure these rantings.
It needs Mitch McConnell to intervene.
Isn't he a big part of the problem? He decided long ago that Party came before Country.
His party is at risk of permanent damage if they do not disown this loser pronto.
I fear you are imagining a return of the Republican party of Reagan and Bush.
That is not happening, more likely is a shift to QAnon, but most likely is sticking with Trumpism, and probably the Trumps. Far from being permanently damaged they are remarkably successful still and may well have beaten any of Harris, Buttigieg, Sanders, Warren this time around, or indeed Biden if Pfizers announcement was a week or two earlier.
As much as I wish your statement were true, the evidence points to the contrary, Trumpism could pretty much guarantee 65 million votes + in 2024 (efficiently distributed by state). It is a strong base to build on if Trump stays interested.
I suspect that in 4 years Trump will be (a) dead (b) in jail (c) bankrupt or (d) some combination of the above. Doesn't mean that the next Republican candidate will not be cut from the same cloth of course.
Only Trump could possibly pull off all 3 simultaneously.
He says that he didn't know her name. I suppose I could use Google to see if there has ever been a more pathetic excuse.
Well, there’s Cummings and his eye test.
The best one I ever heard though was a pseudoscholar called David Fitzgerald, who claimed he had written a book proving a loony fringe theory to be true. On having it pointed out to him that he had offered no proof whatsoever, he said that the evidence was in his original draft but he left it out because it made the book too long.
Yes, that's pretty good in a Queen of Hearts kind of way.
The language of some of the Trump acolytes is terrifying - they claim to be democrats but only as long as the democracy gives them the result they want.
More than one is now urging State legislatures to by-pass the will of the people in the State and go to the Electoral College and support Trump even if more people in their state voted for Biden.
It would be like the people of Surrey voting in 8 Liberal Democrat MPs and 3 Conservative MPs and the Conservative-controlled County Council deciding the eight LD MPs would be replaced by eight County Councillors (Conservative of course).
As usual, such claims are "supported" by frankly nonsensical allegations of vote-rigging which would do the average banana republic proud.
The GOP has had four years to prepare for this election, State legislatures have had plenty of opportunity to defraud the electorate and rig the vote and yet the Trump supporters seem to think somehow Democrats have been able to by-pass Republican officials and fix the election.
The depressing thing is free speech means we are forced to endure these rantings.
It needs Mitch McConnell to intervene.
Isn't he a big part of the problem? He decided long ago that Party came before Country.
His party is at risk of permanent damage if they do not disown this loser pronto.
I fear you are imagining a return of the Republican party of Reagan and Bush.
That is not happening, more likely is a shift to QAnon, but most likely is sticking with Trumpism, and probably the Trumps. Far from being permanently damaged they are remarkably successful still and may well have beaten any of Harris, Buttigieg, Sanders, Warren this time around, or indeed Biden if Pfizers announcement was a week or two earlier.
As much as I wish your statement were true, the evidence points to the contrary, Trumpism could pretty much guarantee 65 million votes + in 2024 (efficiently distributed by state). It is a strong base to build on if Trump stays interested.
I suspect that in 4 years Trump will be (a) dead (b) in jail (c) bankrupt or (d) some combination of the above. Doesn't mean that the next Republican candidate will not be cut from the same cloth of course.
Only Trump could possibly pull off all 3 simultaneously.
If he has a heart attack on the day of the election while in jail for fraud having previously been declared bankrupt...I think that would cover it.
He says that he didn't know her name. I suppose I could use Google to see if there has ever been a more pathetic excuse.
Well, there’s Cummings and his eye test.
The best one I ever heard though was a pseudoscholar called David Fitzgerald, who claimed he had written a book proving a loony fringe theory to be true. On having it pointed out to him that he had offered no proof whatsoever, he said that the evidence was in his original draft but he left it out because it made the book too long.
Yes, that's pretty good in a Queen of Hearts kind of way.
Fermat's Last Theorem says hello.
Although Wiles did eventually prove that in a book length study.
Oh good, we can all pretend it matters even though we know differently. I'm better Martin then Merkel - ancestral homeland and most important leader in Europe.
He says that he didn't know her name. I suppose I could use Google to see if there has ever been a more pathetic excuse.
Well, there’s Cummings and his eye test.
The best one I ever heard though was a pseudoscholar called David Fitzgerald, who claimed he had written a book proving a loony fringe theory to be true. On having it pointed out to him that he had offered no proof whatsoever, he said that the evidence was in his original draft but he left it out because it made the book too long.
Yes, that's pretty good in a Queen of Hearts kind of way.
Fermat's Last Theorem says hello.
That's a great story but was he not ultimately vindicated after the modest gap of 350 years or so? Who knows, in 2370 they may conclude that Trump really did win.
Doesn't Trump running in 2024 mean Biden is far more likely to run as well?
He'd be 82 at the start of his second term, and 86 at the end of it. And it's known as quite a tough job. I just don't see it.
He's said he was a bridge, and I take him at his word on that.
It's also not obvious he'd have the best chance in 2024. This isn't actually a criticism as I think it was right for 2020 with hindsight - but he's a low energy person at a time people wanted a break from high energy, a throw back to the administration of a President with high retrospective approval ratings, and a somewhat "generic" Democrat in a country which is slightly more blue than red at the moment. That isn't necessarily the recipe for 2024 if Trump runs again - people may well be a bit bored of low energy, the economy may be at a sluggish phase and so on. The right offer might well be "something different and more exciting... but not THAT different and exciting".
Trump could run again but I think Vice President would still be favourite for the GOP nomination eg in France in 2017 Sarkozy ran for the Les Republicains nomination after losing the presidency in 2012 but lost it to his PM Fillon who went on to lose the presidential election to Macron.
In 1980 after Carter lost, the last President before Trump who lost the presidential election after only one term of his party in the White House, his Vice President Mondale won the nomination only to lose the general election to Reagan.
I agree Buttigieg would be a good bet for the Democrats in 2024 if Biden decides not to run for re election and only serve the one term
IF Biden doesn’t run in 2024, I think there will be a LOT of pressure to coalesce around Harris. Whatever your views may be of her as a candidate, her strengths and weaknesses etc. It would be bad optics to overlook an incumbent VP who wants it, particularly one who has made history already by virtue of being the first black and female VP.
Of course, she might choose not to run, but I don’t get that impression from her. I think she’s ambitious enough to go for it and of course she’s run before (not at all a criticism, just an observation). I do think, however, if she wants to win in 2024 she’s going to have to improve on her 2020 campaign(s). I think she’s very talented and very sharp but I found her a bit of a lacklustre campaigner, which I must admit surprised me.
The older gentleman of the USA running for office has great merit.
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The older gentleman of the USA running for office has great merit.
Personally I have determined to run for my 23rd term as member for the Auchentennach Constituency in the elected Jacobite House of Lords. Total electorate 1
Jack W is 124 ....
The ongoing power of your mighty ARSE inspires us all, your grace.
Harris should be odds on favourite to be 2024 Presidential winner.
She will be the heir apparent if Biden doesn't seek re-election and the Democrats should be favourites to hold the White House next time.
Since the start of the 20th century only twice has a party lost the White House after just one term: Carter and Trump.
Starting at 60% democrat 40% republican would be as far as I could lean. Of the 60% maybe its split Biden 20% Harris 30% Others 10%?
Odds on feels way too short, but she may be value at the opening 7/2.
First term parties have held onto the Oval Office at the first time of asking 11/13 times since the start of the 20th century. That's 85% of the time. Drop down perhaps to 70% to be generous to the GOP.
Harris for nominee I'd estimate to be at least 75% chance. If Biden retires or worse it should be virtually 100% she'd hold the nomination, even if she doesn't she would be the presumptive favourite from the start and will get key backing as presumptive nominee. I suspect the likes of Buttigieg would rather be part of her team than run against her. I expect the nomination would be as much a lock for her as 2016 was for Hillary.
.7 * .75 = 52.5% chance (and I think I'm being conservative in both of those). Odds on favourite.
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If we are no longer under the aegis of the EUMA, who is certifying this vaccine for us?
If her brother's claims are true, what Bashir invented to get the interview would have made her extremely, probably dangerously, paranoid.
The language of some of the Trump acolytes is terrifying - they claim to be democrats but only as long as the democracy gives them the result they want.
More than one is now urging State legislatures to by-pass the will of the people in the State and go to the Electoral College and support Trump even if more people in their state voted for Biden.
It would be like the people of Surrey voting in 8 Liberal Democrat MPs and 3 Conservative MPs and the Conservative-controlled County Council deciding the eight LD MPs would be replaced by eight County Councillors (Conservative of course).
As usual, such claims are "supported" by frankly nonsensical allegations of vote-rigging which would do the average banana republic proud.
The GOP has had four years to prepare for this election, State legislatures have had plenty of opportunity to defraud the electorate and rig the vote and yet the Trump supporters seem to think somehow Democrats have been able to by-pass Republican officials and fix the election.
The depressing thing is free speech means we are forced to endure these rantings.
It wouldn’t even be controversial if Mohammed Fayed were not desperate to conceal the awkward truth that it was largely his fault they were being driven by a drunk.
50......50% positivity...
Harris would start favorite, but not a shoo-in, imo.
If you mean, ‘have a gun pointed at their head and told to take that shot or this shot,’ probably not.
Unlike some on here, I'm no epidemiologist so as far as the vaccine is concerned, will we need to take it every year or will immunity build up over time? The former might be a decent option fr those making the vaccine but the prospect of a single lifetime immunity would be truly impressive.
Let's administer the vaccine free of charge to all - rich or poor, it should make no difference. We've all been through a lot.
On then to the cultural consequences of a vaccine - I'm already hearing the siren voices saying everything will return to "normal" and that 2021 will be one big Party. I'm less convinced - the psychological trauma of 2020 will be with us for years to come and we shouldn't lose sight of the near 70,000 who have died, those whose health has been permanently damaged by the virus and those who have suffered through being confined.
Perhaps this experience will make us take our public and personal health a bit less for granted and it won't do any harm for us to make some changes rather than go back to January 2020 and try to forget everything that has happened.
It would be easy to forget but the independent public enquiry Boris promised must happen - there must be a proper accounting of decisions taken and not taken especially on care homes and if that means Ministers are sacked, so be it.
Regardless of elections.
Hence calls for it to "step in" and overturn the vote. This is a fundamentally undemocratic movement.
The best one I ever heard though was a pseudoscholar called David Fitzgerald, who claimed he had written a book proving a loony fringe theory to be true. On having it pointed out to him that he had offered no proof whatsoever, he said that the evidence was in his original draft but he left it out because it made the book too long.
I, for one, rejoice that we have a Upper House of "experts in their field" to scrutinise.
Suddenly it all makes sense!
https://twitter.com/DavidHenigUK/status/1325871160056274945
That is not happening, more likely is a shift to QAnon, but most likely is sticking with Trumpism, and probably the Trumps. Far from being permanently damaged they are remarkably successful still and may well have beaten any of Harris, Buttigieg, Sanders, Warren this time around, or indeed Biden if Pfizers announcement was a week or two earlier.
As much as I wish your statement were true, the evidence points to the contrary, Trumpism could pretty much guarantee 65 million votes + in 2024 (efficiently distributed by state). It is a strong base to build on if Trump stays interested.
https://pharmaphorum.com/news/ema-counts-the-cost-of-brexit-in-lost-staff-and-narrower-workload/
1. The way the wind is blowing. If Democrats are popular (big if) and it looks unlikely that a GOP nominee will win, I doubt he’ll go for it.
2. He will likely be caught up in all sorts of legal woes by then. However there is a chance he spins those as some kind of witch hunt, which could make him even more popular.
3. You have to consider what his health might be like by that point. He will be in his late 70s (yes, so is Biden, but is much more active). Sorry to be blunt, but you have to consider the possibility he might even be dead in 2024.
She will be the heir apparent if Biden doesn't seek re-election and the Democrats should be favourites to hold the White House next time.
Since the start of the 20th century only twice has a party lost the White House after just one term: Carter and Trump.
One thing it shows clearly now is the impact of Drakeford's firebreak. He may still have been late doing it though.
I'm sad for all those EU countries that have taken part in this scheme and will be at the back of the queue for a vaccine developed in part by a German company.
In 1980 after Carter lost, the last President before Trump who lost the presidential election after only one term of his party in the White House, his Vice President Mondale won the nomination only to lose the general election to Reagan.
I agree Buttigieg would be a good bet for the Democrats in 2024 if Biden decides not to run for re election and only serve the one term
Odds on feels way too short, but she may be value at the opening 7/2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5VGfuAUqkg
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/09/nhs-test-and-trace-bosss-husband-told-to-self-isolate
Very scary. Probably worse than our first wave peak in reality.
Edit, forgot Varadkar wasn't PM now.
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1325658119054241792?s=21
He's said he was a bridge, and I take him at his word on that.
It's also not obvious he'd have the best chance in 2024. This isn't actually a criticism as I think it was right for 2020 with hindsight - but he's a low energy person at a time people wanted a break from high energy, a throw back to the administration of a President with high retrospective approval ratings, and a somewhat "generic" Democrat in a country which is slightly more blue than red at the moment. That isn't necessarily the recipe for 2024 if Trump runs again - people may well be a bit bored of low energy, the economy may be at a sluggish phase and so on. The right offer might well be "something different and more exciting... but not THAT different and exciting".
Of course, she might choose not to run, but I don’t get that impression from her. I think she’s ambitious enough to go for it and of course she’s run before (not at all a criticism, just an observation). I do think, however, if she wants to win in 2024 she’s going to have to improve on her 2020 campaign(s). I think she’s very talented and very sharp but I found her a bit of a lacklustre campaigner, which I must admit surprised me.
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Jack W is 124 ....
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1325859407620689922
Harris for nominee I'd estimate to be at least 75% chance. If Biden retires or worse it should be virtually 100% she'd hold the nomination, even if she doesn't she would be the presumptive favourite from the start and will get key backing as presumptive nominee. I suspect the likes of Buttigieg would rather be part of her team than run against her. I expect the nomination would be as much a lock for her as 2016 was for Hillary.
.7 * .75 = 52.5% chance (and I think I'm being conservative in both of those). Odds on favourite.