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As we go into the final WH2020 debate Biden edges up further in the betting – politicalbetting.com

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  • rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Just watched the first 20 minutes on double speed. I think it was 10 minutes well saved.

    350 million people and your choice is one of these two idiots.
    That's not quite true it's probably more like 200 million as you also need to be:

    -a natural-born citizen of the United States;
    -at least 35 years old;
    -a resident in the United States for at least 14 years

    and you can't previously have been:
    - President for two terms
    But what about all the millions and millions of illegals that vote (according to Trump) ;-)
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,594
    Trump has clearly been advised to stay calm at all costs, probably in order not to offend older voters who didn't like his previous performance.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,137
    Biden accuses Trump of bribing the Ukraine government to say something negative about him, Trump accuses Biden of getting his son a highly paid energy job with no experience
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    HYUFD said:

    Biden accuses Trump of bribing the Ukraine government to say something negative about him, Trump accuses Biden of getting his son a highly paid energy job with no experience

    Debating the issues that matter.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Trump has clearly been advised to stay calm at all costs, probably in order not to offend older voters who didn't like his previous performance.

    It actually worse than the last one, at least the last one had an entertainment factor, as it was a bit like a WWE wrestling match.

    This is just two old guys talking nonsense.
  • Biden can't remember his scripted get out...
  • Trump being rude now.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,708
    Biden smart move to say public don't care about argument re candidates families.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,708
    Now 1.51 / 2.96

    So move to Trump since debate start.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,594
    Biden rambling a bit.
  • Trump bullying coming through now.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Biden rambling a bit.

    Against a skilled politician, he would be mince meat. He is slow, he rambles, he can't remember his scripted bits...but he is against the orange ape, who just can't help talking about himself and spouting obvious lies.
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 597
    Anyone put money on the GOP retaking the House as Trump thinks will happen?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,137
    Biden emphasises nobody will lose their private health insurance under his healthcare plan
  • Trump is getting very rude now.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,137
    Trump says if Biden is elected the stock market will crash, Biden says where he comes from in Scranton people do not live off the stock market
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Oh shit. It is the end of days. Justin Bieber is the guest on last week's SNL and he's just sung a song I liked!
  • Sleepy Joe getting shouty now...still word spaghetti. C'mon man.
  • Biden forgotten he is repeating a previous scripted bit.
  • Angry Biden is the only time when he's halfway effective.

    Still, 96-year-old Jimmy Carter would be doing way better here.
  • Trump actually right on something...$15/hr federal minimum wage is bad for small businesses.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935

    Trump actually right on something...$15/hr federal minimum wage is bad for small businesses.

    Seems like an obvious thing that should be left to the states, given how different they are.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,103
    edited October 2020
    RobD said:

    Trump actually right on something...$15/hr federal minimum wage is bad for small businesses.

    Seems like an obvious thing that should be left to the states, given how different they are.
    Absolutely...US is such a large country where cost of living is vastly different. Order of magnitude different from somebody living rural Idaho to somebody living in NYC
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,137
    Biden promises a path to citizenship for 11 million undocumented people
  • HYUFD said:
    And both candidates are absolute shit....
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,604
    edited October 2020
    This is very hard to watch. Not very illuminating. Jumbled sentences from both of them. I don't think it will change many votes. I don't think Trump will actually lose votes this time, but nor will he gain them. It is not the game changer that Trump needs.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,708
    Now stabilised at 1.5 / 2.98
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,103
    edited October 2020
    Barnesian said:

    This is very hard to watch. Not very illuminating. Jumbled sentences from both of them. I don't think it will change many votes. I don't think Trump will actually lose votes this time, but nor will he gain them. It is not the game changer that Trump needs.

    Its like two old blokes in the pub after too many shandies saying well if I was in charge level of illumination....
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    With the possible exception of Lincoln, lol :D
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,137
    Trump again says nobody has done more for the black community than him since Lincoln, on criminal justice reform and prison reform and opportunities and investment
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,137
    Barnesian said:

    This is very hard to watch. Not very illuminating. Jumbled sentences from both of them. I don't think it will change many votes. I don't think Trump will actually lose votes this time, but nor will he gain them. It is not the game changer that Trump needs.

    If you believe Trafalgar or Rasmussen and IBID/TIPP he does not need a game changer, just not to lose any support tonight
  • Biden showing quite a lot of left wing leg this evening...big bump in minimum wage, pathway for illegals, no minimum mandatory sentences.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,209
    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    This is very hard to watch. Not very illuminating. Jumbled sentences from both of them. I don't think it will change many votes. I don't think Trump will actually lose votes this time, but nor will he gain them. It is not the game changer that Trump needs.

    If you believe Trafalgar or Rasmussen and IBID/TIPP he does not need a game changer, just not to lose any support tonight
    That's not true, on the latest IBD/TIPP he's five points behind.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,604
    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    This is very hard to watch. Not very illuminating. Jumbled sentences from both of them. I don't think it will change many votes. I don't think Trump will actually lose votes this time, but nor will he gain them. It is not the game changer that Trump needs.

    If you believe Trafalgar or Rasmussen and IBID/TIPP he does not need a game changer, just not to lose any support tonight
    If you believe the poll modellers like The Economist or Nate Silver, he most certainly does need a game changer.
  • Trump now claiming he is the least racist person in the room...
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,604
    "It's all talk and no action with these politicians".
  • Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    This is very hard to watch. Not very illuminating. Jumbled sentences from both of them. I don't think it will change many votes. I don't think Trump will actually lose votes this time, but nor will he gain them. It is not the game changer that Trump needs.

    If you believe Trafalgar or Rasmussen and IBID/TIPP he does not need a game changer, just not to lose any support tonight
    If you believe the poll modellers like The Economist or Nate Silver, he most certainly does need a game changer.
    If you believe Trafalgar are an actual polling organisation, then I'm a Nigerian prince with lots of money i'd like to send to your account...
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,604
    Only 8 minutes to go. Come on.
  • Trump has a reasonable attack line when Biden says I have been trying to do x for 40 years. ...why didn't you do in 8 years when in power.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,137
    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    This is very hard to watch. Not very illuminating. Jumbled sentences from both of them. I don't think it will change many votes. I don't think Trump will actually lose votes this time, but nor will he gain them. It is not the game changer that Trump needs.

    If you believe Trafalgar or Rasmussen and IBID/TIPP he does not need a game changer, just not to lose any support tonight
    If you believe the poll modellers like The Economist or Nate Silver, he most certainly does need a game changer.
    If Nate Silver was right in 2016 Hillary Clinton would have won over 300 EC votes and now be President
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,604
    HYUFD said:
    They should be pleased that Biden has just admitted he got it wrong with the war on drugs - though he pointed out it was all 100 senators who voted for it.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,103
    edited October 2020
    Can Biden get through a statement without George Bush style mis-speaking?

    500,000, no 50,000, charging stations...climate warming change...
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,604
    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    This is very hard to watch. Not very illuminating. Jumbled sentences from both of them. I don't think it will change many votes. I don't think Trump will actually lose votes this time, but nor will he gain them. It is not the game changer that Trump needs.

    If you believe Trafalgar or Rasmussen and IBID/TIPP he does not need a game changer, just not to lose any support tonight
    If you believe the poll modellers like The Economist or Nate Silver, he most certainly does need a game changer.
    If Nate Silver was right in 2016 Hillary Clinton would have won over 300 EC votes and now be President
    Oh no - not this again :(
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,708
    Biden laughing at Trump on climate change.

    Indeed throughout he has often just laughed at Trump.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    This is very hard to watch. Not very illuminating. Jumbled sentences from both of them. I don't think it will change many votes. I don't think Trump will actually lose votes this time, but nor will he gain them. It is not the game changer that Trump needs.

    If you believe Trafalgar or Rasmussen and IBID/TIPP he does not need a game changer, just not to lose any support tonight
    If you believe the poll modellers like The Economist or Nate Silver, he most certainly does need a game changer.
    If Nate Silver was right in 2016 Hillary Clinton would have won over 300 EC votes and now be President
    Oh no - not this again :(
    Well he effectively said the opposite of what you said.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,137
    Trump emphasising energy independence and natural gas and in future solar, Biden climate change regulation
  • MikeL said:

    Biden laughing at Trump on climate change.

    Indeed throughout he has often just laughed at Trump.

    Biden now channeling Trump approach from debate #1, with talking over Trump.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,708
    Biden just said zero emissions by 2025???
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    MikeL said:

    Biden just said zero emissions by 2025???

    Yeah, that seems ambitious.
  • MikeL said:

    Biden just said zero emissions by 2025???

    I am not sure he has a clue what he is taking about.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,700
    MikeL said:

    Biden just said zero emissions by 2025???

    Presumably that's his coronavirus plan.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,708
    Biden now just said 2035!
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,708
    Did Biden just make a mistake re the oil industry?

    I don't know.
  • MikeL said:

    Biden now just said 2035!

    He was all over the shop on that previous segment.
  • MikeL said:

    Did Biden just make a mistake re the oil industry?

    I don't know.

    If he had said that in debate #1, it could have been very bad, as plenty of time to run the attack ads with it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,137
    That's it, thankfully rather more civilised this time
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,708
    edited October 2020
    Great finish for Biden - at his best talking about decency, honour, trust.
  • HYUFD said:

    That's it, thankfully rather more civilised this time

    It was worse...no entertainment factor and just showed up how terrible both candidates are
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,604
    Thank goodness that is over with no major gaffes from Biden. He just needs to stay healthy for the next 10 days. On the final stretch.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,708
    edited October 2020
    Ends at 1.5 / 2.98
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    Barnesian said:

    Thank goodness that is over with no major gaffes from Biden. He just needs to stay healthy for the next 10 days. On the final stretch.

    Just closing the oil industry and zero emissions in five years. :D
  • Barnesian said:

    Thank goodness that is over with no major gaffes from Biden. He just needs to stay healthy for the next 10 days. On the final stretch.

    I reckon he is going to be George Bush Jnr level on the gaffe-o-meter as president....
  • RobD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Thank goodness that is over with no major gaffes from Biden. He just needs to stay healthy for the next 10 days. On the final stretch.

    Just closing the oil industry and zero emissions in five years. :D
    Those attack ads are going to be running like crazy in Texas.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,700
    RobD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Thank goodness that is over with no major gaffes from Biden. He just needs to stay healthy for the next 10 days. On the final stretch.

    Just closing the oil industry and zero emissions in five years. :D
    Biden also mangled his pitch on the amnesty for undocumented migrants.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,604

    Barnesian said:

    Thank goodness that is over with no major gaffes from Biden. He just needs to stay healthy for the next 10 days. On the final stretch.

    I reckon he is going to be George Bush Jnr level on the gaffe-o-meter as president....
    He isn't a natural orator like Obama. He needs to slow down. Leave pauses. Gather his thoughts. He's much too old to learn now. He isn't a JFK or Obama.

    But he's a decent caring man in stark contrast to Trump. Women in particular can see and value that.
  • Trump is a snake-oil salesman, but a good one. Just for once it would have been nice to see someone publicly expose and humiliate him but Biden wasn't up to it. Maybe the Dems really should have run with Pete Buttigieg. Biden is a decent old school politician but he's no match for a huckster with Trump's salesmanship skills. Fortunately for the Dems and the USA Trump's period in office has exposed him sufficiently to make it very unlikely he will be retained for a second term.

    No game changers in the final debate then. Looks like we have ten more days to endure the Great Orange Berk.

    Nite all.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352

    RobD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Thank goodness that is over with no major gaffes from Biden. He just needs to stay healthy for the next 10 days. On the final stretch.

    Just closing the oil industry and zero emissions in five years. :D
    Those attack ads are going to be running like crazy in Texas.
    Well that didn't take long...

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1319466667676749824
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,137

    Trump is a snake-oil salesman, but a good one. Just for once it would have been nice to see someone publicly expose and humiliate him but Biden wasn't up to it. Maybe the Dems really should have run with Pete Buttigieg. Biden is a decent old school politician but he's no match for a huckster with Trump's salesmanship skills. Fortunately for the Dems and the USA Trump's period in office has exposed him sufficiently to make it very unlikely he will be retained for a second term.

    No game changers in the final debate then. Looks like we have ten more days to endure the Great Orange Berk.

    Nite all.

    Buttigieg would not have had the appeal in the rustbelt Biden has, he was still the Democrats best bet to beat Trump and I think will at least pick up Pennsylvania with Michigan and Wisconsin still close
  • RobD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Thank goodness that is over with no major gaffes from Biden. He just needs to stay healthy for the next 10 days. On the final stretch.

    Just closing the oil industry and zero emissions in five years. :D
    Biden also mangled his pitch on the amnesty for undocumented migrants.
    I genuinely don't think he really understands the details of his own policy platform. But the Orange Ape isn't smart enough to go beyond the playground bully stuff nor able to resist talking about himself.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935

    RobD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Thank goodness that is over with no major gaffes from Biden. He just needs to stay healthy for the next 10 days. On the final stretch.

    Just closing the oil industry and zero emissions in five years. :D
    Those attack ads are going to be running like crazy in Texas.
    Well that didn't take long...

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1319466667676749824
    Six million views in twenty minutes?
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708

    RobD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Thank goodness that is over with no major gaffes from Biden. He just needs to stay healthy for the next 10 days. On the final stretch.

    Just closing the oil industry and zero emissions in five years. :D
    Those attack ads are going to be running like crazy in Texas.
    Has Trump got enough money left to run attack ads in Texas?
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Thank goodness that is over with no major gaffes from Biden. He just needs to stay healthy for the next 10 days. On the final stretch.

    Just closing the oil industry and zero emissions in five years. :D
    Those attack ads are going to be running like crazy in Texas.
    Well that didn't take long...

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1319466667676749824
    Six million views in twenty minutes?
    Trump does have almost 90 million followers on twitter, plenty of whom were likely watching the debate anyway.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935

    RobD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Thank goodness that is over with no major gaffes from Biden. He just needs to stay healthy for the next 10 days. On the final stretch.

    Just closing the oil industry and zero emissions in five years. :D
    Those attack ads are going to be running like crazy in Texas.
    Has Trump got enough money left to run attack ads in Texas?
    I'm sure the oil barons could lend him a few bob.
  • Trump is a snake-oil salesman, but a good one. Just for once it would have been nice to see someone publicly expose and humiliate him but Biden wasn't up to it. Maybe the Dems really should have run with Pete Buttigieg. Biden is a decent old school politician but he's no match for a huckster with Trump's salesmanship skills. Fortunately for the Dems and the USA Trump's period in office has exposed him sufficiently to make it very unlikely he will be retained for a second term.

    No game changers in the final debate then. Looks like we have ten more days to endure the Great Orange Berk.

    Nite all.

    Biden isn't smart enough or quick enough to pick up on the Trump BS & be able to pull it apart succinctly.

    They have prepped him with some focus group testes prescripted bits that he crowbars in with the look down the camera trick, but is unable to stop Trump making this grand claims which most people at home won't fact check.

    The problem for Trump is, this time it isn't theoretical, peoppe have lived experience of him actual handling of things.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,708
    Now 1.52 / 2.92.

    Debate started at 1.47 / 3.10.

    So clear move.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,604
    MikeL said:

    Now 1.52 / 2.92.

    Debate started at 1.47 / 3.10.

    So clear move.

    It had moved the other way this afternoon before the debate. I think there was an expectation that Biden would easily win this debate and he didn't. He didn't lose it either. A draw. So the price moved back to where it was earlier.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,700
    edited October 2020
    Democratic Congresswoman distancing herself from Biden's comments on oil and gas.

    https://twitter.com/HornForCongress/status/1319474800901951493
  • Trump is a snake-oil salesman, but a good one. Just for once it would have been nice to see someone publicly expose and humiliate him but Biden wasn't up to it. Maybe the Dems really should have run with Pete Buttigieg. Biden is a decent old school politician but he's no match for a huckster with Trump's salesmanship skills. Fortunately for the Dems and the USA Trump's period in office has exposed him sufficiently to make it very unlikely he will be retained for a second term.

    No game changers in the final debate then. Looks like we have ten more days to endure the Great Orange Berk.

    Nite all.

    Not ten days: another three months to the inauguration on 20 January.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,604
    The price on Texas has moved in favour of Trump. I don't think Biden is going to win Texas. But he doesn't need to. He just needs to threaten to, so that Trump puts resources into defending Texas - which he will with the fracking video.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,700
    Trump seems to have comfortably won the debate based on the focus group... The comments from female voters are interesting. He might have done enough for to win over a lot of votes based on policy with the help of a Polly Toynbee nose-peg.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,137
    edited October 2020
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    HYUFD said:

    Data progress has Biden winning the debate but Trump doing fractionally better than after the first debate https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1319482275021623297?s=20

    LOL. Sure.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    New thread
  • HYUFD said:
    To toot my own horn, as predicted, Biden's frailty was exposed without Trump jumping into fill the gaps whenever Biden hesitated or lost his train of thought, and this also made Trump seem more presidential.

    What was interesting in the focus group is that Covid-19 has given Trump cover for policy failures, with respondents saying Trump was doing a good job until blindsided by the pandemic.

    So with a more presidential Trump being given a pass on policy, this must be a good night's work for The Donald.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868

    HYUFD said:
    To toot my own horn, as predicted, Biden's frailty was exposed without Trump jumping into fill the gaps whenever Biden hesitated or lost his train of thought, and this also made Trump seem more presidential.

    What was interesting in the focus group is that Covid-19 has given Trump cover for policy failures, with respondents saying Trump was doing a good job until blindsided by the pandemic.

    So with a more presidential Trump being given a pass on policy, this must be a good night's work for The Donald.
    That middle one, people are referring to the stock market. People are going to say the same about our domestic clown, without any peg to hang the hat.
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