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  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704

    More Tories for Independence.

    'In 1999 I was elected to the Scottish Parliament as a Conservative MSP for Mid Scotland and Fife.
    In my first speech in the chamber as a callow, inexperienced politician, I levelled the charge at the late Donald Dewar that he lacked ambition for Scotland. My words then were: “If you never raise your eyes above the horizon you will never see the stars.” Today, nearly 15 years later, the more successful Scotland I believe most of us want is not only firmly in focus – it is within our reach.
    More recently, I have become convinced that a Yes vote on 18 September next year is the way to achieve that better Scotland.'

    http://tinyurl.com/pc9m3wd
    </blockquote

    Yes poisoned by toxic Tory support, a boost for the no campaign.

  • I post tomorrow's Sunday Herald front page without comment.

    http://tinyurl.com/o7hoe3r
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Top 50 films of all time, according to the BFI:

    http://www.bfi.org.uk/news/50-greatest-films-all-time
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    edited December 2013
    AveryLP said:

    The Sun

    DAVID Cameron has threatened to BLOCK further enlargement of the EU unless tough new immigration curbs are introduced.

    The move is a major victory for The Sun’s call for the PM to make migration a red line issue in talks with Brussels.


    http://t.co/fHdSG4Drbz

    Nige calls the President of the EU a "damp rag".

    Dave deploys a veto.

    The difference between UKIP and the Conservatives.


    How will an independent Scotland join if new members are vetoed?
  • I post tomorrow's Sunday Herald front page without comment.

    http://tinyurl.com/o7hoe3r

    We all know who it is.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Worth bearing in mind that for Labour to win a majority in 2015 they need to win back 75% of the seats they lost in 2010.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    I post tomorrow's Sunday Herald front page without comment.

    http://tinyurl.com/o7hoe3r

    I have tried to locate the article, McDivvie.

    But this article appears to be the lead on the Herald's website:

    http://bit.ly/1kuhw9I
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    philiph said:



    AveryLP said:

    The Sun

    DAVID Cameron has threatened to BLOCK further enlargement of the EU unless tough new immigration curbs are introduced.

    The move is a major victory for The Sun’s call for the PM to make migration a red line issue in talks with Brussels.


    http://t.co/fHdSG4Drbz

    Nige calls the President of the EU a "damp rag".

    Dave deploys a veto.

    The difference between UKIP and the Conservatives.


    How will an independent Scotland join if new members are vetoed?
    They'll probably need to reestablish the Union.

  • NinoinozNinoinoz Posts: 1,312
    AveryLP said:

    The Sun

    DAVID Cameron has threatened to BLOCK further enlargement of the EU unless tough new immigration curbs are introduced.

    The move is a major victory for The Sun’s call for the PM to make migration a red line issue in talks with Brussels.


    http://t.co/fHdSG4Drbz

    Nige calls the President of the EU a "damp rag".

    Dave deploys a veto.

    The difference between UKIP and the Conservatives.

    Wow, no further Eastern European countries in the EU!

    So, considering Poland, Romania and Bulgaria have already been admitted and we've been flooded with Poles and have Bulgarians and Romanians (with extensive Roma populations) still to come, exactly what 'red line' is being talked about?

    Nigel fights to regain control of our borders.

    Clueless Dave locks stable door after a string of horses have bolted.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,705
    AndyJS said:

    Worth bearing in mind that for Labour to win a majority in 2015 they need to win back 75% of the seats they lost in 2010.

    Tough. And for the Tories to win a majority they have to win 100% of seats Labour lost in 2010 and a few more on top of that.
  • AveryLP said:

    I post tomorrow's Sunday Herald front page without comment.

    http://tinyurl.com/o7hoe3r

    I have tried to locate the article, McDivvie.

    But this article appears to be the lead on the Herald's website:

    http://bit.ly/1kuhw9I
    Avery LP - Do keep up. The post from Divvie is for tomorrow, the link you have posted is for Friday.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited December 2013

    AveryLP said:

    I post tomorrow's Sunday Herald front page without comment.

    http://tinyurl.com/o7hoe3r

    I have tried to locate the article, McDivvie.

    But this article appears to be the lead on the Herald's website:

    http://bit.ly/1kuhw9I
    Avery LP - Do keep up. The post from Divvie is for tomorrow, the link you have posted is for Friday.
    Time present and time past
    Are both perhaps present in time future,
    And time future contained in time past.
    If all time is eternally present
    All time is unredeemable.

    ---------------------------------------

    Christmas Quiz

    What or where is "Burnt Norton"?
  • I post tomorrow's Sunday Herald front page without comment.

    http://tinyurl.com/o7hoe3r

    We all know who it is.
    But we're not going to speculate on here, on whom it may be
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,155
    edited December 2013
    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    I post tomorrow's Sunday Herald front page without comment.

    http://tinyurl.com/o7hoe3r

    I have tried to locate the article, McDivvie.

    But this article appears to be the lead on the Herald's website:

    http://bit.ly/1kuhw9I
    Avery LP - Do keep up. The post from Divvie is for tomorrow, the link you have posted is for Friday.
    Time present and time past
    Are both perhaps present in time future,
    And time future contained in time past.
    If all time is eternally present
    All time is unredeemable.

    ---------------------------------------

    Christmas Quiz

    What or where is "Burnt Norton"?
    This is one option.

    http://tinyurl.com/olhxadv
  • I post tomorrow's Sunday Herald front page without comment.

    http://tinyurl.com/o7hoe3r

    We all know who it is.
    But we're not going to speculate on here, on whom it may be
    Yes, I do know, I was about to post, me and thee have had words about this before.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    AndyJS said:

    Top 50 films of all time, according to the BFI:

    http://www.bfi.org.uk/news/50-greatest-films-all-time

    Interesting that I counted only three films which were made after 1980.

    And Happy Birthday (what's left of it!).

  • The big question. Will Brodie still be alive at this time tomorrow night? My guess is that he won't




  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    I post tomorrow's Sunday Herald front page without comment.

    http://tinyurl.com/o7hoe3r

    I have tried to locate the article, McDivvie.

    But this article appears to be the lead on the Herald's website:

    http://bit.ly/1kuhw9I
    Avery LP - Do keep up. The post from Divvie is for tomorrow, the link you have posted is for Friday.
    Time present and time past
    Are both perhaps present in time future,
    And time future contained in time past.
    If all time is eternally present
    All time is unredeemable.

    ---------------------------------------

    Christmas Quiz

    What or where is "Burnt Norton"?
    You could say that about anything.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    I post tomorrow's Sunday Herald front page without comment.

    http://tinyurl.com/o7hoe3r

    I have tried to locate the article, McDivvie.

    But this article appears to be the lead on the Herald's website:

    http://bit.ly/1kuhw9I
    Avery LP - Do keep up. The post from Divvie is for tomorrow, the link you have posted is for Friday.
    Time present and time past
    Are both perhaps present in time future,
    And time future contained in time past.
    If all time is eternally present
    All time is unredeemable.

    ---------------------------------------

    Christmas Quiz

    What or where is "Burnt Norton"?
    A little TS Eliot to round the evening off?

  • Steve Bruce comment on MOTD " We(Hull) have to emulate what West Brom have done recently......except sacking the manager of course".
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    I post tomorrow's Sunday Herald front page without comment.

    http://tinyurl.com/o7hoe3r

    I have tried to locate the article, McDivvie.

    But this article appears to be the lead on the Herald's website:

    http://bit.ly/1kuhw9I
    Avery LP - Do keep up. The post from Divvie is for tomorrow, the link you have posted is for Friday.
    Time present and time past
    Are both perhaps present in time future,
    And time future contained in time past.
    If all time is eternally present
    All time is unredeemable.

    ---------------------------------------

    Christmas Quiz

    What or where is "Burnt Norton"?
    This is one option.

    http://tinyurl.com/olhxadv
    That's what happens to your product when you spend all the company's cash on a 'new' head office.

    http://bit.ly/1duyTlA
  • @Carola may wish to look away now

    From the Sunday Times

    THE long summer holidays and short working days enjoyed by teachers could be scrapped under plans to provide schools with the flexibility to open until 6pm for up to 51 weeks a year.

    The proposals have been submitted to the School Teachers Review Body, an independent panel that vets teachers’ pay and working conditions, by Michael Gove, the education secretary. The panel is due to report by January 14, after which the government will decide whether to accept its recommendations.
  • Also from the Sunday Times

    LABOUR is studying plans to extend elections from one day to a week and to set up ballot boxes in supermarkets and railway stations in an attempt to increase the number of people voting.

    The party will also consider changing the days on which polls open — perhaps to Saturday from Thursday — to fit in better with the lifestyles of working people.
  • Oh and following the lead of the Macbeths, and giving the vote to 16 year olds.
  • I post tomorrow's Sunday Herald front page without comment.

    http://tinyurl.com/o7hoe3r

    In totally unrelated news, John Bercow has just glued his wife's hands and lips together.
  • Graeme Swann has retired.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805

    @Carola may wish to look away now

    From the Sunday Times

    THE long summer holidays and short working days enjoyed by teachers could be scrapped under plans to provide schools with the flexibility to open until 6pm for up to 51 weeks a year.

    The proposals have been submitted to the School Teachers Review Body, an independent panel that vets teachers’ pay and working conditions, by Michael Gove, the education secretary. The panel is due to report by January 14, after which the government will decide whether to accept its recommendations.

    I doubt that will surprise anyone.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Carola said:

    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    I post tomorrow's Sunday Herald front page without comment.

    http://tinyurl.com/o7hoe3r

    I have tried to locate the article, McDivvie.

    But this article appears to be the lead on the Herald's website:

    http://bit.ly/1kuhw9I
    Avery LP - Do keep up. The post from Divvie is for tomorrow, the link you have posted is for Friday.
    Time present and time past
    Are both perhaps present in time future,
    And time future contained in time past.
    If all time is eternally present
    All time is unredeemable.

    ---------------------------------------

    Christmas Quiz

    What or where is "Burnt Norton"?
    You could say that about anything.
    You clearly understand T.S. Eliot, Carola!

  • compouter1compouter1 Posts: 642
    edited December 2013

    I post tomorrow's Sunday Herald front page without comment.

    http://tinyurl.com/o7hoe3r

    In totally unrelated news, John Bercow has just glued his wife's hands and lips together.
    *** Innocent Face ***
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    @Carola may wish to look away now

    From the Sunday Times

    THE long summer holidays and short working days enjoyed by teachers could be scrapped under plans to provide schools with the flexibility to open until 6pm for up to 51 weeks a year.

    The proposals have been submitted to the School Teachers Review Body, an independent panel that vets teachers’ pay and working conditions, by Michael Gove, the education secretary. The panel is due to report by January 14, after which the government will decide whether to accept its recommendations.

    That'll give the part-timers something to moan about.

    Teachers get more time off than Douglas Bader's legs.
  • Graeme Swann has retired.

    I was holding back on posting this. He's given his reasons in tomorrow's paper.

  • Carola said:

    @Carola may wish to look away now

    From the Sunday Times

    THE long summer holidays and short working days enjoyed by teachers could be scrapped under plans to provide schools with the flexibility to open until 6pm for up to 51 weeks a year.

    The proposals have been submitted to the School Teachers Review Body, an independent panel that vets teachers’ pay and working conditions, by Michael Gove, the education secretary. The panel is due to report by January 14, after which the government will decide whether to accept its recommendations.

    I doubt that will surprise anyone.
    As someone who knows a few teachers, it was the short working days perception that might have upset teachers
  • Graeme Swann has retired.

    I was holding back on posting this. He's given his reasons in tomorrow's paper.

    Is it just from international cricket or first class cricket, there's some confusion on twitter.
  • I actually think it's a classy move by Swann. He knows it has gone, so he's leaving. No fuss.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,963
    edited December 2013

    I actually think it's a classy move by Swann. He knows it has gone, so he's leaving. No fuss.

    It is.

    I hope he moves into the commentary box.

    Something tells me, he'd be like David Lloyd.
  • AveryLP said:

    The Sun

    DAVID Cameron has threatened to BLOCK further enlargement of the EU unless tough new immigration curbs are introduced.

    The move is a major victory for The Sun’s call for the PM to make migration a red line issue in talks with Brussels.


    http://t.co/fHdSG4Drbz

    Nige calls the President of the EU a "damp rag".

    Dave deploys a veto.

    The difference between UKIP and the Conservatives.

    He hasn't vetoed anything. He signed off on the next step in the enlargement process as usual without even mentioning the issue, the gave a press conference for purely domestic consumption:

    "But EU diplomatic sources claim this is just empty rhetoric.“If he was serious about changing the rules, the UK would have raised the question at the previous General Affairs Council, whose conclusions on enlargement Cameron endorsed."

    http://m.euractiv.com/details.php?aid=532554
  • Graeme Swann has retired.

    I was holding back on posting this. He's given his reasons in tomorrow's paper.

    Is it just from international cricket or first class cricket, there's some confusion on twitter.
    It sounds like he's retiring. Though he says he's had IPL offers so he might do that.
  • Very interesting piece by Clegg in the Sunday Times, the front page gives a gist of it

    The Sunday Times ‏@thesundaytimes 3m

    Tomorrow's front page:

    Clegg blocks more curbs on migrants

    pic.twitter.com/bOTUyB2W4K
  • Graeme Swann has retired.

    I was holding back on posting this. He's given his reasons in tomorrow's paper.

    Is it just from international cricket or first class cricket, there's some confusion on twitter.
    It sounds like he's retiring. Though he says he's had IPL offers so he might do that.
    Tonight I'm going to have nightmares about Simon Kerrigan.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805

    Carola said:

    @Carola may wish to look away now

    From the Sunday Times

    THE long summer holidays and short working days enjoyed by teachers could be scrapped under plans to provide schools with the flexibility to open until 6pm for up to 51 weeks a year.

    The proposals have been submitted to the School Teachers Review Body, an independent panel that vets teachers’ pay and working conditions, by Michael Gove, the education secretary. The panel is due to report by January 14, after which the government will decide whether to accept its recommendations.

    I doubt that will surprise anyone.
    As someone who knows a few teachers, it was the short working days perception that might have upset teachers
    We're used to it.
  • Graeme Swann has retired.

    I was holding back on posting this. He's given his reasons in tomorrow's paper.

    Is it just from international cricket or first class cricket, there's some confusion on twitter.
    It sounds like he's retiring. Though he says he's had IPL offers so he might do that.
    Tonight I'm going to have nightmares about Simon Kerrigan.
    I think he'll come good. Or someone will. Monty can do a job in the meantime.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    AveryLP said:

    The Sun

    DAVID Cameron has threatened to BLOCK further enlargement of the EU unless tough new immigration curbs are introduced.

    The move is a major victory for The Sun’s call for the PM to make migration a red line issue in talks with Brussels.


    http://t.co/fHdSG4Drbz

    Nige calls the President of the EU a "damp rag".

    Dave deploys a veto.

    The difference between UKIP and the Conservatives.

    He hasn't vetoed anything. He signed off on the next step in the enlargement process as usual without even mentioning the issue, the gave a press conference for purely domestic consumption:

    "But EU diplomatic sources claim this is just empty rhetoric.“If he was serious about changing the rules, the UK would have raised the question at the previous General Affairs Council, whose conclusions on enlargement Cameron endorsed."

    http://m.euractiv.com/details.php?aid=532554
    Edmondo

    Dave might have had a prior word with Angela but there is no way a British Prime Minister would talk to an Eurocrat in the General Affairs Council.

    The nation's pride is at stake.

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    Very interesting piece by Clegg in the Sunday Times, the front page gives a gist of it

    The Sunday Times ‏@thesundaytimes 3m

    Tomorrow's front page:

    Clegg blocks more curbs on migrants

    pic.twitter.com/bOTUyB2W4K

    It looks like Clegg has just put some dull yellow water between his and Dave's feet.

  • If you haven't seen Vincent Kompany's own goal today, then you should.

    Up there with Djimi Traore's and Jamie Pollock's efforts.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    That's not good. Not good at all.

  • I post tomorrow's Sunday Herald front page without comment.

    http://tinyurl.com/o7hoe3r

    We all know who it is.
    But we're not going to speculate on here, on whom it may be
    Well at least we know it can't be:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/police-investigating-child-abuse-search-peer-greville-janners-home-9019061.html


  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    This is just silly.

    Jonathan Trott,England`s most reliable player goes off sick and now Swann trotts off into retirement just because he`s had a few bad tests.
  • If you haven't seen Vincent Kompany's own goal today, then you should.

    Up there with Djimi Traore's and Jamie Pollock's efforts.

    Freakish to the extreme.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    SMukesh said:

    This is just silly.

    Jonathan Trott,England`s most reliable player goes off sick and now Swann trotts off into retirement just because he`s had a few bad tests.

    Perhaps the ECB moderators banned him from the 4th test and he is now making himself unavailable?

  • compouter1compouter1 Posts: 642
    edited December 2013

    I post tomorrow's Sunday Herald front page without comment.

    http://tinyurl.com/o7hoe3r

    We all know who it is.
    But we're not going to speculate on here, on whom it may be
    Well at least we know it can't be:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/police-investigating-child-abuse-search-peer-greville-janners-home-9019061.html


    If you had actually read the original post, why the hell would you link that?


    You might as well have posted:

    Well at least we know it cannot be:

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/fresh-jimmy-savile-sex-abuse-allegations-are-being-reported-weekly-8972358.html
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523

    I post tomorrow's Sunday Herald front page without comment.

    http://tinyurl.com/o7hoe3r

    We all know who it is.
    But we're not going to speculate on here, on whom it may be
    Well at least we know it can't be:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/police-investigating-child-abuse-search-peer-greville-janners-home-9019061.html


    If you had actually read the original post, why the hell would you link that?


    You might as well have posted:

    Well at least we know it cannot be:

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/fresh-jimmy-savile-sex-abuse-allegations-are-being-reported-weekly-8972358.html
    It's interesting given the almost total lack of police enthusiasm for cases like that since they were stitched up over Driberg-Boothby back in the 1960s.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    edited December 2013

    I post tomorrow's Sunday Herald front page without comment.

    http://tinyurl.com/o7hoe3r

    We all know who it is.
    But we're not going to speculate on here, on whom it may be
    Well at least we know it can't be:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/police-investigating-child-abuse-search-peer-greville-janners-home-9019061.html
    Now why do we think that the lefty Independent might print an article about a Labour politician being investigated by the police but put a photograph of David Cameron at the top?

    I'm assuming that Janner is one of the minor figures standing right at the back of the picture in the corner.

    How odd.

  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,861

    If you haven't seen Vincent Kompany's own goal today, then you should.

    Up there with Djimi Traore's and Jamie Pollock's efforts.

    He's good Kompany

  • AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    The Sun

    DAVID Cameron has threatened to BLOCK further enlargement of the EU unless tough new immigration curbs are introduced.

    The move is a major victory for The Sun’s call for the PM to make migration a red line issue in talks with Brussels.


    http://t.co/fHdSG4Drbz

    Nige calls the President of the EU a "damp rag".

    Dave deploys a veto.

    The difference between UKIP and the Conservatives.

    He hasn't vetoed anything. He signed off on the next step in the enlargement process as usual without even mentioning the issue, the gave a press conference for purely domestic consumption:

    "But EU diplomatic sources claim this is just empty rhetoric.“If he was serious about changing the rules, the UK would have raised the question at the previous General Affairs Council, whose conclusions on enlargement Cameron endorsed."

    http://m.euractiv.com/details.php?aid=532554
    Edmondo

    Dave might have had a prior word with Angela but there is no way a British Prime Minister would talk to an Eurocrat in the General Affairs Council.

    The nation's pride is at stake.

    You know the "Queen of Europe" Twitter account is a joke, right? Merkel isn't really Queen of Europe. If you want to affect what the EU does, you bring it up at the meeting where the ministers from the countries in the EU make decisions about it.

    On the other hand, if you just want to keep a newspaper off your case you don't say anything and just have a press conference later to make gullible people think you did.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    The Sun

    DAVID Cameron has threatened to BLOCK further enlargement of the EU unless tough new immigration curbs are introduced.

    The move is a major victory for The Sun’s call for the PM to make migration a red line issue in talks with Brussels.


    http://t.co/fHdSG4Drbz

    Nige calls the President of the EU a "damp rag".

    Dave deploys a veto.

    The difference between UKIP and the Conservatives.

    He hasn't vetoed anything. He signed off on the next step in the enlargement process as usual without even mentioning the issue, the gave a press conference for purely domestic consumption:

    "But EU diplomatic sources claim this is just empty rhetoric.“If he was serious about changing the rules, the UK would have raised the question at the previous General Affairs Council, whose conclusions on enlargement Cameron endorsed."

    http://m.euractiv.com/details.php?aid=532554
    Edmondo

    Dave might have had a prior word with Angela but there is no way a British Prime Minister would talk to an Eurocrat in the General Affairs Council.

    The nation's pride is at stake.

    You know the "Queen of Europe" Twitter account is a joke, right? Merkel isn't really Queen of Europe. If you want to affect what the EU does, you bring it up at the meeting where the ministers from the countries in the EU make decisions about it.

    On the other hand, if you just want to keep a newspaper off your case you don't say anything and just have a press conference later to make gullible people think you did.
    I thought the traditional way of "affecting what the EU does" was to give up most of the rebate first and the really really hope that the French would have a chat over coffee about the Common Agricultural Policy afterwards?

    Worked well for Blair.

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    The Sun

    DAVID Cameron has threatened to BLOCK further enlargement of the EU unless tough new immigration curbs are introduced.

    The move is a major victory for The Sun’s call for the PM to make migration a red line issue in talks with Brussels.


    http://t.co/fHdSG4Drbz

    Nige calls the President of the EU a "damp rag".

    Dave deploys a veto.

    The difference between UKIP and the Conservatives.

    He hasn't vetoed anything. He signed off on the next step in the enlargement process as usual without even mentioning the issue, the gave a press conference for purely domestic consumption:

    "But EU diplomatic sources claim this is just empty rhetoric.“If he was serious about changing the rules, the UK would have raised the question at the previous General Affairs Council, whose conclusions on enlargement Cameron endorsed."

    http://m.euractiv.com/details.php?aid=532554
    Edmondo

    Dave might have had a prior word with Angela but there is no way a British Prime Minister would talk to an Eurocrat in the General Affairs Council.

    The nation's pride is at stake.

    You know the "Queen of Europe" Twitter account is a joke, right? Merkel isn't really Queen of Europe. If you want to affect what the EU does, you bring it up at the meeting where the ministers from the countries in the EU make decisions about it.

    On the other hand, if you just want to keep a newspaper off your case you don't say anything and just have a press conference later to make gullible people think you did.
    Edmondo

    I think our disagreement can be best explained by time difference.You are enjoying breakfast on the day after winter solstice.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    GeoffM said:

    I post tomorrow's Sunday Herald front page without comment.

    http://tinyurl.com/o7hoe3r

    We all know who it is.
    But we're not going to speculate on here, on whom it may be
    Well at least we know it can't be:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/police-investigating-child-abuse-search-peer-greville-janners-home-9019061.html
    Now why do we think that the lefty Independent might print an article about a Labour politician being investigated by the police but put a photograph of David Cameron at the top?

    I'm assuming that Janner is one of the minor figures standing right at the back of the picture in the corner.

    How odd.

    He is on the right looking at the photo or standing behind Cameron's left side.

  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    AveryLP said:

    GeoffM said:

    I post tomorrow's Sunday Herald front page without comment.

    http://tinyurl.com/o7hoe3r

    We all know who it is.
    But we're not going to speculate on here, on whom it may be
    Well at least we know it can't be:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/police-investigating-child-abuse-search-peer-greville-janners-home-9019061.html
    Now why do we think that the lefty Independent might print an article about a Labour politician being investigated by the police but put a photograph of David Cameron at the top?

    I'm assuming that Janner is one of the minor figures standing right at the back of the picture in the corner.

    How odd.

    He is on the right looking at the photo or standing behind Cameron's left side.

    Many thanks, appreciated - I had also resorted to Google images to narrow down the options.

    Interestingly it appears that photographs of Janner actually exist which don't feature him standing behind a random Prime Minister.

    Google Images must have been out of stock that afternoon.

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    I post tomorrow's Sunday Herald front page without comment.

    http://tinyurl.com/o7hoe3r

    We all have a pretty good idea who that is. The rumour mills were working overtime a 28 years ago.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    SMukesh said:

    This is just silly.

    Jonathan Trott,England`s most reliable player goes off sick and now Swann trotts off into retirement just because he`s had a few bad tests.

    The tour selectors probably told him politely in advance that he would be dropped and he has thrown all the toys out of the pram.

    He could have retired at the end of the tour !

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Regarding Tan and Mackay at Cardiff:

    Isn't this "dismissal" a gravy train for the Manager's ? They insist on their "contract" being paid.
    Fine. Then immediately or shortly thereafter start a new job.

    So, if you are relatively successful and do not end up getting the sack, you will actually earn less money if they both had the same contract.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    edited December 2013
    surbiton said:

    SMukesh said:

    This is just silly.

    Jonathan Trott,England`s most reliable player goes off sick and now Swann trotts off into retirement just because he`s had a few bad tests.

    The tour selectors probably told him politely in advance that he would be dropped and he has thrown all the toys out of the pram.

    He could have retired at the end of the tour !

    Why? If he was told informally that his time was up, surely you or I in that situation would take the opportunity to spend Christmas at home with our family and friends?

    Would you hang around thousands of miles from home for two more Tests just carrying the drinks? I'd be on the next flight back with a beer in my hand.

  • AveryLP said:

    The Sun

    DAVID Cameron has threatened to BLOCK further enlargement of the EU unless tough new immigration curbs are introduced.

    The move is a major victory for The Sun’s call for the PM to make migration a red line issue in talks with Brussels.


    http://t.co/fHdSG4Drbz

    Nige calls the President of the EU a "damp rag".

    Dave deploys a veto.

    The difference between UKIP and the Conservatives.

    If you mean Cameron makes claims he knows to be false and promises he knows he cannot keep whilst UKIP points out the idiocy of the EU then yes I agree that is indeed the difference between the two of them.

    As has already been mentioned Cameron has not vetoed any expansion, has no intention of vetoing any expansion and cannot make any changes to the EU rules on free movement of people's for as long as the UK is a member of the EU.

    He is simply making himself (and anyone who actually believes him) look stupid.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    AveryLP said:

    The Sun

    DAVID Cameron has threatened to BLOCK further enlargement of the EU unless tough new immigration curbs are introduced.

    The move is a major victory for The Sun’s call for the PM to make migration a red line issue in talks with Brussels.


    http://t.co/fHdSG4Drbz

    Nige calls the President of the EU a "damp rag".

    Dave deploys a veto.

    The difference between UKIP and the Conservatives.

    If you mean Cameron makes claims he knows to be false and promises he knows he cannot keep whilst UKIP points out the idiocy of the EU then yes I agree that is indeed the difference between the two of them.

    As has already been mentioned Cameron has not vetoed any expansion, has no intention of vetoing any expansion and cannot make any changes to the EU rules on free movement of people's for as long as the UK is a member of the EU.

    He is simply making himself (and anyone who actually believes him) look stupid.
    You are absolutely correct. The free movement of people's are enshrined in the original Treaty of Rome. No government can say they were unaware of it.

    Wasn't Mrs Thatcher the main driver behind East European expansion ?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    GeoffM said:

    surbiton said:

    SMukesh said:

    This is just silly.

    Jonathan Trott,England`s most reliable player goes off sick and now Swann trotts off into retirement just because he`s had a few bad tests.

    The tour selectors probably told him politely in advance that he would be dropped and he has thrown all the toys out of the pram.

    He could have retired at the end of the tour !

    Why? If he was told informally that his time was up, surely you or I in that situation would take the opportunity to spend Christmas at home with our family and friends?

    Would you hang around thousands of miles from home for two more Tests just carrying the drinks? I'd be on the next flight back with a beer in my hand.

    Surely he has a contract to play until the end of the series. If Monty was injured in the 4th test, who will bowl in Sydney ?

    Prima Donna will be in England by then. We seem to have different interpretations of contracts. One for Sportspeople [ Players and Managers ] and another for the rest of us.
  • surbiton said:

    GeoffM said:

    surbiton said:

    SMukesh said:

    This is just silly.

    Jonathan Trott,England`s most reliable player goes off sick and now Swann trotts off into retirement just because he`s had a few bad tests.

    The tour selectors probably told him politely in advance that he would be dropped and he has thrown all the toys out of the pram.

    He could have retired at the end of the tour !

    Why? If he was told informally that his time was up, surely you or I in that situation would take the opportunity to spend Christmas at home with our family and friends?

    Would you hang around thousands of miles from home for two more Tests just carrying the drinks? I'd be on the next flight back with a beer in my hand.

    Surely he has a contract to play until the end of the series. If Monty was injured in the 4th test, who will bowl in Sydney ?

    Prima Donna will be in England by then. We seem to have different interpretations of contracts. One for Sportspeople [ Players and Managers ] and another for the rest of us.
    There are quite a few Englishmen in Australia for various reasons if Monty got injured. I thought Swann needed to go and he's gone, whether of his own accord or not. I think he has the right to announce his retirement even if he was actually pushed.
  • surbiton said:

    GeoffM said:

    surbiton said:

    SMukesh said:

    This is just silly.

    Jonathan Trott,England`s most reliable player goes off sick and now Swann trotts off into retirement just because he`s had a few bad tests.

    The tour selectors probably told him politely in advance that he would be dropped and he has thrown all the toys out of the pram.

    He could have retired at the end of the tour !

    Why? If he was told informally that his time was up, surely you or I in that situation would take the opportunity to spend Christmas at home with our family and friends?

    Would you hang around thousands of miles from home for two more Tests just carrying the drinks? I'd be on the next flight back with a beer in my hand.

    Surely he has a contract to play until the end of the series. If Monty was injured in the 4th test, who will bowl in Sydney ?

    Prima Donna will be in England by then. We seem to have different interpretations of contracts. One for Sportspeople [ Players and Managers ] and another for the rest of us.
    Swann is also probably going to still be in Oz himself, judging by his column. Reads like he plans to take a holiday.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    surbiton said:

    Regarding Tan and Mackay at Cardiff:

    Isn't this "dismissal" a gravy train for the Manager's ? They insist on their "contract" being paid.
    Fine. Then immediately or shortly thereafter start a new job.

    So, if you are relatively successful and do not end up getting the sack, you will actually earn less money if they both had the same contract.

    The entire situation regarding football management is completely farcical anyway. Chelsea sacked so many that they've ended up back where they started !
    It is a contract between owners who generally want to rid themselves of some of their cash, and managers (Some good, some clueless) who are on a merry-go round from club to club. If it was public money I'd be concerned but I find it amusing :)
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    surbiton said:

    GeoffM said:

    surbiton said:

    SMukesh said:

    This is just silly.

    Jonathan Trott,England`s most reliable player goes off sick and now Swann trotts off into retirement just because he`s had a few bad tests.

    The tour selectors probably told him politely in advance that he would be dropped and he has thrown all the toys out of the pram.

    He could have retired at the end of the tour !

    Why? If he was told informally that his time was up, surely you or I in that situation would take the opportunity to spend Christmas at home with our family and friends?

    Would you hang around thousands of miles from home for two more Tests just carrying the drinks? I'd be on the next flight back with a beer in my hand.

    Surely he has a contract to play until the end of the series. If Monty was injured in the 4th test, who will bowl in Sydney ?

    Prima Donna will be in England by then. We seem to have different interpretations of contracts. One for Sportspeople [ Players and Managers ] and another for the rest of us.
    That's an interesting point about contracts. The devil will be in the legal detail of central ECB contracts. Swann was on a full central contract which I think isn't limited just to the series itself but for a longer period. I doubt we'll ever know - he will surface in a commentary box for the India series I am sure.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    surbiton said:

    GeoffM said:

    surbiton said:

    SMukesh said:

    This is just silly.

    Jonathan Trott,England`s most reliable player goes off sick and now Swann trotts off into retirement just because he`s had a few bad tests.

    The tour selectors probably told him politely in advance that he would be dropped and he has thrown all the toys out of the pram.

    He could have retired at the end of the tour !

    Why? If he was told informally that his time was up, surely you or I in that situation would take the opportunity to spend Christmas at home with our family and friends?

    Would you hang around thousands of miles from home for two more Tests just carrying the drinks? I'd be on the next flight back with a beer in my hand.

    Surely he has a contract to play until the end of the series. If Monty was injured in the 4th test, who will bowl in Sydney ?

    Prima Donna will be in England by then. We seem to have different interpretations of contracts. One for Sportspeople [ Players and Managers ] and another for the rest of us.
    There are quite a few Englishmen in Australia for various reasons if Monty got injured. I thought Swann needed to go and he's gone, whether of his own accord or not. I think he has the right to announce his retirement even if he was actually pushed.
    Plenty of qualified players taking part in the Big Bash tonight - Hales, Shah, Kieswetter...
  • GeoffM said:

    surbiton said:

    GeoffM said:

    surbiton said:

    SMukesh said:

    This is just silly.

    Jonathan Trott,England`s most reliable player goes off sick and now Swann trotts off into retirement just because he`s had a few bad tests.

    The tour selectors probably told him politely in advance that he would be dropped and he has thrown all the toys out of the pram.

    He could have retired at the end of the tour !

    Why? If he was told informally that his time was up, surely you or I in that situation would take the opportunity to spend Christmas at home with our family and friends?

    Would you hang around thousands of miles from home for two more Tests just carrying the drinks? I'd be on the next flight back with a beer in my hand.

    Surely he has a contract to play until the end of the series. If Monty was injured in the 4th test, who will bowl in Sydney ?

    Prima Donna will be in England by then. We seem to have different interpretations of contracts. One for Sportspeople [ Players and Managers ] and another for the rest of us.
    There are quite a few Englishmen in Australia for various reasons if Monty got injured. I thought Swann needed to go and he's gone, whether of his own accord or not. I think he has the right to announce his retirement even if he was actually pushed.
    Plenty of qualified players taking part in the Big Bash tonight - Hales, Shah, Kieswetter...
    Woakes was playing yesterday. Swann is taking some stick on Twitter, though I'm sure he is big and ugly enough to cope with that. The fact that he really doesn't seem to have decided if he's playing any cricket next year suggests this wasn't long in the planning. He's quite possibly retired from international duty in an Andy Cole sense. But I have no problem with him doing that.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    GeoffM said:

    surbiton said:

    GeoffM said:

    surbiton said:

    SMukesh said:

    This is just silly.

    Jonathan Trott,England`s most reliable player goes off sick and now Swann trotts off into retirement just because he`s had a few bad tests.

    The tour selectors probably told him politely in advance that he would be dropped and he has thrown all the toys out of the pram.

    He could have retired at the end of the tour !

    Why? If he was told informally that his time was up, surely you or I in that situation would take the opportunity to spend Christmas at home with our family and friends?

    Would you hang around thousands of miles from home for two more Tests just carrying the drinks? I'd be on the next flight back with a beer in my hand.

    Surely he has a contract to play until the end of the series. If Monty was injured in the 4th test, who will bowl in Sydney ?

    Prima Donna will be in England by then. We seem to have different interpretations of contracts. One for Sportspeople [ Players and Managers ] and another for the rest of us.
    There are quite a few Englishmen in Australia for various reasons if Monty got injured. I thought Swann needed to go and he's gone, whether of his own accord or not. I think he has the right to announce his retirement even if he was actually pushed.
    Plenty of qualified players taking part in the Big Bash tonight - Hales, Shah, Kieswetter...
    Woakes was playing yesterday. Swann is taking some stick on Twitter, though I'm sure he is big and ugly enough to cope with that. The fact that he really doesn't seem to have decided if he's playing any cricket next year suggests this wasn't long in the planning. He's quite possibly retired from international duty in an Andy Cole sense. But I have no problem with him doing that.
    The original article on cricinfo had Swann paying tribute to his club in what seemed an oddly past-tense way, so that suggested a retirement from that arena too. I guess that leaves him with a swannsong (see what I did there?) in the IPL before picking up a microphone.

    With apologies, my incredibly limited knowledge/interest in football leaves me unaware of what you mean with the Ashley Cole reference.

    I see Swann has backed Scottie Borthwick as a long term replacement. Well, its a relatively short shortlist....

  • GeoffM said:

    GeoffM said:

    surbiton said:

    GeoffM said:

    surbiton said:

    SMukesh said:

    This is just silly.

    Jonathan Trott,England`s most reliable player goes off sick and now Swann trotts off into retirement just because he`s had a few bad tests.

    The tour selectors probably told him politely in advance that he would be dropped and he has thrown all the toys out of the pram.

    He could have retired at the end of the tour !

    Why? If he was told informally that his time was up, surely you or I in that situation would take the opportunity to spend Christmas at home with our family and friends?

    Would you hang around thousands of miles from home for two more Tests just carrying the drinks? I'd be on the next flight back with a beer in my hand.

    Surely he has a contract to play until the end of the series. If Monty was injured in the 4th test, who will bowl in Sydney ?

    Prima Donna will be in England by then. We seem to have different interpretations of contracts. One for Sportspeople [ Players and Managers ] and another for the rest of us.
    There are quite a few Englishmen in Australia for various reasons if Monty got injured. I thought Swann needed to go and he's gone, whether of his own accord or not. I think he has the right to announce his retirement even if he was actually pushed.
    Plenty of qualified players taking part in the Big Bash tonight - Hales, Shah, Kieswetter...
    Woakes was playing yesterday. Swann is taking some stick on Twitter, though I'm sure he is big and ugly enough to cope with that. The fact that he really doesn't seem to have decided if he's playing any cricket next year suggests this wasn't long in the planning. He's quite possibly retired from international duty in an Andy Cole sense. But I have no problem with him doing that.
    The original article on cricinfo had Swann paying tribute to his club in what seemed an oddly past-tense way, so that suggested a retirement from that arena too. I guess that leaves him with a swannsong (see what I did there?) in the IPL before picking up a microphone.

    With apologies, my incredibly limited knowledge/interest in football leaves me unaware of what you mean with the Ashley Cole reference.

    I see Swann has backed Scottie Borthwick as a long term replacement. Well, its a relatively short shortlist....

    Andy Cole 'retired from international duty' having hardly been picked in ages. Not Ashley. We still need him in the squad!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Sad news about Swann retiring.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071


    Andy Cole 'retired from international duty' having hardly been picked in ages. Not Ashley. We still need him in the squad!

    Ah! That mis-type shows my ignorance even more! But thanks for the explanation.
    I was based in Pompey when Terry Venables was in charge there, and I blame him for my aggressively apathetic attitude to football.

  • surbiton said:

    AveryLP said:

    The Sun

    DAVID Cameron has threatened to BLOCK further enlargement of the EU unless tough new immigration curbs are introduced.

    The move is a major victory for The Sun’s call for the PM to make migration a red line issue in talks with Brussels.


    http://t.co/fHdSG4Drbz

    Nige calls the President of the EU a "damp rag".

    Dave deploys a veto.

    The difference between UKIP and the Conservatives.

    If you mean Cameron makes claims he knows to be false and promises he knows he cannot keep whilst UKIP points out the idiocy of the EU then yes I agree that is indeed the difference between the two of them.

    As has already been mentioned Cameron has not vetoed any expansion, has no intention of vetoing any expansion and cannot make any changes to the EU rules on free movement of people's for as long as the UK is a member of the EU.

    He is simply making himself (and anyone who actually believes him) look stupid.
    You are absolutely correct. The free movement of people's are enshrined in the original Treaty of Rome. No government can say they were unaware of it.

    Wasn't Mrs Thatcher the main driver behind East European expansion ?
    Right. But TBF this policy hasn't really worked out the way they strategized it, so maybe it makes tactical sense to ditch it.

    The idea was that they would make the EU "broad and shallow", which was supposed to prevent the core from integrating. But for that to work you need Europe to move at a single speed. Thatcher and Major then found they weren't able to sell the idea of staying together with the core to their base, so they ended up embracing a two-speed Europe with "flexible geometry". Once you've done that, enlargement doesn't slow very much down, because the core just move ahead, if necessary formally outside the EU as with the original Schengen, and the new members integrate in the core when they're ready.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Swann retiring from Cricket means......he'll be back in the commentary box in no time.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited December 2013
    It's interesting how most international cricketers usually retire from the game completely these days. Until about ten years ago it was usual for them to play another five years or so in county cricket. I guess the idea of spending cold mornings in front of two men and a dog at Scarborough isn't very appealing to today's international players.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    surbiton said:

    I post tomorrow's Sunday Herald front page without comment.

    http://tinyurl.com/o7hoe3r

    We all have a pretty good idea who that is. The rumour mills were working overtime a 28 years ago.
    28 years ago? Definitely no Establishment cover-up then...

    Look up Geoffrey Dickens MP, and his dossier on the Paedophile Information Exchange, which mysteriously disappeared.

    And never forget, good people of Britain, who their friends and apologists were...
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2523526/How-Labour-Deputy-Harriet-Harman-shadow-minister-husband-Health-Secretary-Patricia-Hewitt-linked-group-lobbying-right-sex-children.html
  • OT, interesting thought here - are Romania and Bulgaria going to veto the UK rejoining the policing cooperation measures they opted out of?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/inside-westminster-if-the-prime-minister-wants-to-change-the-eu-he-has-to-stop-making-enemies-9018943.html
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,471
    surbiton said:

    I post tomorrow's Sunday Herald front page without comment.

    http://tinyurl.com/o7hoe3r

    We all have a pretty good idea who that is. The rumour mills were working overtime a 28 years ago.

    Remember how the rumour mills got another story wrong last year? It led to several court cases, some famous people getting embarrassed, donations to charity, and a great deal of personal pain for an innocent man whose only sin was possessing the same surname as another man.

    And he had suffered those rumours for well over a decade.

    Also note that the police investigating someone does not equate to guilt.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    In the absence at this hour of minute by minute overnight moderation and in the wider interest of the site and Mike's bank balance :

    UNLESS MODERATOR CLEARED :

    PLEASE DO NOT SPECULATE ON THE IDENTITY WITHIN THE HERALD STORY OR RELATED MATTERS
  • Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    edited December 2013
    JackW said:

    In the absence at this hour of minute by minute overnight moderation and in the wider interest of the site and Mike's bank balance :

    UNLESS MODERATOR CLEARED :

    PLEASE DO NOT SPECULATE ON THE IDENTITY WITHIN THE HERALD STORY OR RELATED MATTERS

    It'll all be out in the open soon enough, once the arrest is made.

    Unlike certain other legal cases which Mike does not want us to even mention,*this one will probably be under Scots law, so Mike will perhaps be under less pressure to keep a lid on it.

    *according to the Herald the alleged offences occurred "at various locations in England".

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/police-investigate-former-thatcher-cabinet-minister-over-child-sex-abuse.23015992
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    edited December 2013
    The latest independence poll in Catalonia - and the first since the proposed wording for the referendum that will not happen was released - shows a tiny No lead. That has not been seen for a very long time - in a straight choice Yes is usually a decent way ahead. It could be an outlier, but if not it suggests that a Basque style devomax solution would probably put the issue to bed. However, the stubborn, Spanish nationalist PP government in Madrid will not contemplate such a thing. Fools.
  • The latest independence poll in Catalonia - and the first since the proposed wording for the referendum that will not happen was released - shows a tiny No lead. That has not been seen for a very long time - in a straight choice Yes is usually a decent way ahead. It could be an outlier, but if not it suggests that a Basque style devomax solution would probably put the issue to bed. However, the stubborn, Spanish nationalist PP government in Madrid will not contemplate such a thing. Fools.

    It seems that the stubborn Spanish nationalist PP government in Madrid and the stubborn British nationalist Lib-Con government in London have been working hand in hand. Fools.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/salmond-spain-is-working-with-uk-to-thwart-yes-vote.23013356

    All this Lib-Con mucking about is going to put even more strain on the collapsing Bitter Together stitch up. Most Labour folk are sick of the Tory front organisation already.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173

    The latest independence poll in Catalonia - and the first since the proposed wording for the referendum that will not happen was released - shows a tiny No lead. That has not been seen for a very long time - in a straight choice Yes is usually a decent way ahead. It could be an outlier, but if not it suggests that a Basque style devomax solution would probably put the issue to bed. However, the stubborn, Spanish nationalist PP government in Madrid will not contemplate such a thing. Fools.

    It seems that the stubborn Spanish nationalist PP government in Madrid and the stubborn British nationalist Lib-Con government in London have been working hand in hand. Fools.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/salmond-spain-is-working-with-uk-to-thwart-yes-vote.23013356

    All this Lib-Con mucking about is going to put even more strain on the collapsing Bitter Together stitch up. Most Labour folk are sick of the Tory front organisation already.
    Can you post your polling evidence for the last assertion?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    The latest independence poll in Catalonia - and the first since the proposed wording for the referendum that will not happen was released - shows a tiny No lead. That has not been seen for a very long time - in a straight choice Yes is usually a decent way ahead. It could be an outlier, but if not it suggests that a Basque style devomax solution would probably put the issue to bed. However, the stubborn, Spanish nationalist PP government in Madrid will not contemplate such a thing. Fools.

    It seems that the stubborn Spanish nationalist PP government in Madrid and the stubborn British nationalist Lib-Con government in London have been working hand in hand. Fools.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/salmond-spain-is-working-with-uk-to-thwart-yes-vote.23013356

    All this Lib-Con mucking about is going to put even more strain on the collapsing Bitter Together stitch up. Most Labour folk are sick of the Tory front organisation already.
    having failed so far to attract Cameron into a debate, Salmonds now reduced to inventing bogeyman stories. Desperate stuff.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,471

    The latest independence poll in Catalonia - and the first since the proposed wording for the referendum that will not happen was released - shows a tiny No lead. That has not been seen for a very long time - in a straight choice Yes is usually a decent way ahead. It could be an outlier, but if not it suggests that a Basque style devomax solution would probably put the issue to bed. However, the stubborn, Spanish nationalist PP government in Madrid will not contemplate such a thing. Fools.

    It seems that the stubborn Spanish nationalist PP government in Madrid and the stubborn British nationalist Lib-Con government in London have been working hand in hand. Fools.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/salmond-spain-is-working-with-uk-to-thwart-yes-vote.23013356

    All this Lib-Con mucking about is going to put even more strain on the collapsing Bitter Together stitch up. Most Labour folk are sick of the Tory front organisation already.
    Will the Spanish government "rue the day"?
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173

    The latest independence poll in Catalonia - and the first since the proposed wording for the referendum that will not happen was released - shows a tiny No lead. That has not been seen for a very long time - in a straight choice Yes is usually a decent way ahead. It could be an outlier, but if not it suggests that a Basque style devomax solution would probably put the issue to bed. However, the stubborn, Spanish nationalist PP government in Madrid will not contemplate such a thing. Fools.

    As you say it could be an outlier. However, it could also be the first sign that the nationalists have overplayed their hand and that maybe Rajoy has got it right. For all it's undoubted continual problems Spain is moving slowly but surely in the right direction economically.
  • Ho ho. I see that Salmond has touched a sore point here. This'll be fun.
  • felix said:

    The latest independence poll in Catalonia - and the first since the proposed wording for the referendum that will not happen was released - shows a tiny No lead. That has not been seen for a very long time - in a straight choice Yes is usually a decent way ahead. It could be an outlier, but if not it suggests that a Basque style devomax solution would probably put the issue to bed. However, the stubborn, Spanish nationalist PP government in Madrid will not contemplate such a thing. Fools.

    As you say it could be an outlier. However, it could also be the first sign that the nationalists have overplayed their hand and that maybe Rajoy has got it right. For all it's undoubted continual problems Spain is moving slowly but surely in the right direction economically.
    If No really is ahead in Catalonia, then Rajoy has got it even more wrong than everybody already thinks he has. Surely the best result for Spanish nationalists would be a democratic No vote. Using military force to prevent the vote taking place at all would be a disaster for Spanish nationalists. And for the whole of Europe.
  • As no-one seems to have posted it:

    Latest YouGov / Sunday Times results 20th December - Con 34%, Lab 40%, LD 9%, UKIP 11%; APP -26

    Are we expecting any others? We're overdue for a Survation, I think.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,471

    Ho ho. I see that Salmond has touched a sore point here. This'll be fun.

    Not really. I'm just laughing at his false, manufactured anger, and at the idiots who fall for it every time.

    If Scottish oil is like Salmond's anger, then it'll be manufactured by the Fischer – Tropsh process.
  • Ho ho. I see that Salmond has touched a sore point here. This'll be fun.

    A sore point? He appears to have a classic case of paranoia, he should keep taking the meds.

  • shiney2shiney2 Posts: 672
    RodCrosby said:

    Blimey, the mirror has it that PIE campaigned for age of consent = 4y!

    Were Harman&co really supporters?!?

    Hewitt ran the f*ing NHS for Nulab. While she's gone now, Harman's still there next to Ed on the frontbench every week!
  • @Stuart - Rajoy and PP can be relied on to make bad choices on how to deal with Catalonian separatism. They are Spanish nationalists with an unhealthy regard for Franco. A deal with the Catalan government that have Catalonia what the Basques have, followed by a referendum to confirm it, would solve everything. But they seem to prefer the confrontation. It's utterly ridiculous; not that the small-minded, parochial Catalan nationalists in Barcelona are that much better.

    That said, given the Gibraltar stand-off the idea that London and Madrid are engaged in some anti Scottish conspiracy is a bit far fetched, surely.
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