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Whilst Betfair remains suspended we receive an ‘optimistic’ update from Trump’s doctors – politicalb

SystemSystem Posts: 11,017
edited October 2020 in General
Whilst Betfair remains suspended we receive an ‘optimistic’ update from Trump’s doctors – politicalbetting.com

If you're betting on the US Presidential election this is of interest, something to ponder whilst Betfair remains shut.https://t.co/sFHtZoafPM

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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,139
    edited October 2020
    First

    So...does he make it?

    I genuinely hope so! Lashings of humble pie to be consumed by Trump after a Biden win.
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    So...does he make it?

    I hope so.
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    Well despite daily testing the American Hand Egg is suffering lots of covid outbreaks now. The club owners vetoed the idea of copying the cricket biosecure bubble in favour of daily testing.
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    Well despite daily testing the American Hand Egg is suffering lots of covid outbreaks now. The club owners vetoed the idea of copying the cricket biosecure bubble in favour of daily testing.

    Please don't call it hand egg because with all that protection it's not proper rugby, if they wanted to protect their players they'd introduce something like the fifth tackle rule for the big girl's blouses.
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    So what's the 4d chess interpretation of the doctor saying Trump is ok, while his own staffer saying no he is on the edge, stuff?

    That quite different from the doctors trying to calm the nation and a hospital worker leaking that isn't true.
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    Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 7,981

    Well despite daily testing the American Hand Egg is suffering lots of covid outbreaks now. The club owners vetoed the idea of copying the cricket biosecure bubble in favour of daily testing.

    Is a translation into English available for that post? ^^^^^^^^^
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,541
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    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Does the US really want four more years of this bunch of clowns ?

    Well only one party in the last 100 years has lost the White House after only 1 term, the Democrats in 1980 when Carter lost to Reagan, so historically the odds still favour Trump even if Biden is ahead
    I thought HYUFD aspired to a career in politics, not comedy ?

    Though I suppose he could become a Republican and do both.
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    OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,277

    Well despite daily testing the American Hand Egg is suffering lots of covid outbreaks now. The club owners vetoed the idea of copying the cricket biosecure bubble in favour of daily testing.

    I am shocked that gambling is going on in this casino. Every time I read something about working conditions in the US it makes me exceptionally happy not to work there. I do wonder what the player's union is doing though.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    edited October 2020

    First

    So...does he make it?

    I genuinely hope so! Lashings of humble pie to be consumed by Trump after a Biden win.

    He will have to get used to joining Jimmy Carter, Grover Cleveland, Benjamin Harrison and John Adams as the only US Presidents to fail to win re election after only 1 term of their party in the White House if he does.

    Cleveland did come back to beat Harrison in the 1892 election and get a delayed second term but he had won the popular vote in 1888
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    OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,277

    Well despite daily testing the American Hand Egg is suffering lots of covid outbreaks now. The club owners vetoed the idea of copying the cricket biosecure bubble in favour of daily testing.

    Is a translation into English available for that post? ^^^^^^^^^
    NFL ownersand comissioners didn't go for the way that sport in Europe is run right now (players in bubbles) and instead test the players every day (despite testing not always catching someone while symptomatic). This has gone about as well as expected.
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    So what's the 4d chess interpretation of the doctor saying Trump is ok, while his own staffer saying no he is on the edge, stuff?

    That quite different from the doctors trying to calm the nation and a hospital worker leaking that isn't true.

    I wonder the good news is for Trump to make him feel awesome, whilst Meadows is want to prep the country for Trump not really being able to campaign for the rest of the election.
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    Also, there is no way he just started to feel ill on Thursday....that isn't how COVID works.
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    OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,277

    Also, there is no way he just started to feel ill on Thursday....that isn't how COVID works.
    Wonder if he started feeling sick on Wednesday, took the test and then pulled a Ferrier maneuver and went and did shit before he knew the result.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,139
    HYUFD said:

    First

    So...does he make it?

    I genuinely hope so! Lashings of humble pie to be consumed by Trump after a Biden win.

    He will have to get used to joining Jimmy Carter, Grover Cleveland and Benjamin Harrison as the only US Presidents to fail to win re election after only 1 term of their party in the White House if he does.

    Cleveland did come back to beat Harrison in the 1892 election and get a delayed second term but he had won the popular vote in 1888
    Jimmy Carter was ****** over by the Iranians. Trump is by Covid. Both extraordinary circumstances.
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    OnboardG1 said:

    Also, there is no way he just started to feel ill on Thursday....that isn't how COVID works.
    Wonder if he started feeling sick on Wednesday, took the test and then pulled a Ferrier maneuver and went and did shit before he knew the result.
    Even that is too fast. It takes roughly a week to go from starting to suffer symptoms to getting to a stage of being so ill you need oxygen.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    And then they made him walk unaided to the helicopter. Sadistic.
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    Also, there is no way he just started to feel ill on Thursday....that isn't how COVID works.
    My own theory is that he's had it since last weekend and decided he wasn't going to miss the debate.

    If I'm darkly cynical he attended in the hope to infect Sleepy Joe.
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    OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,277

    OnboardG1 said:

    Also, there is no way he just started to feel ill on Thursday....that isn't how COVID works.
    Wonder if he started feeling sick on Wednesday, took the test and then pulled a Ferrier maneuver and went and did shit before he knew the result.
    Even that is too fast. It takes roughly a week to go from starting to suffer symptoms to getting to a stage of being so ill you need oxygen.
    Everyone is different with this thing. Johnson took about a week, but there have been reports of people presenting with few symptoms but sats in their boots. It's possible that's the case with Trump. Of course, he could just be a lying bastard and was feeling shit since the debate, which would be on brand.
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    OnboardG1 said:

    Well despite daily testing the American Hand Egg is suffering lots of covid outbreaks now. The club owners vetoed the idea of copying the cricket biosecure bubble in favour of daily testing.

    Is a translation into English available for that post? ^^^^^^^^^
    NFL ownersand comissioners didn't go for the way that sport in Europe is run right now (players in bubbles) and instead test the players every day (despite testing not always catching someone while symptomatic). This has gone about as well as expected.
    My understanding is the league officials and players union agreed in principle to biosecure approach, locking players away in hotels for 7 months. It was (some of) the owners who said no, and the comprise was daily testing (at incredible cost).
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,955
    edited October 2020
    The real story of the day, child car seat laws stop people having sex:

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3665046
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,917
    Sporting index voids the supremacy market if he dies btw.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,139
    I was yesterday.

    Trump is text book high risk. Add to that the fact that everywhere he has been in the last five days would appear to have been branches of Covid-Central, the viral dose could be off the scale too.
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    OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,277
    Alistair said:

    And then they made him walk unaided to the helicopter. Sadistic.
    I GUARANTEE that Trump was the one who wanted to do that. Marine One was sitting there for an hour while the pilot read Playboy so that they could gas El Presidente up enough for the 30m walk to the aircraft.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,917
    When was the debate again
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    solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,623
    Is this where he gets replaced with an alien doppleganger, but everyone finds out because the doppleganger is generally more competent and more likeable and makes more sense?
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    Pulpstar said:

    Sporting index voids the supremacy market if he dies btw.
    That I can live with because SPIN made it clear from the onset.
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    OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,277
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,190

    Also, there is no way he just started to feel ill on Thursday....that isn't how COVID works.
    My own theory is that he's had it since last weekend and decided he wasn't going to miss the debate.

    If I'm darkly cynical he attended in the hope to infect Sleepy Joe.
    That thought has occurred to me.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,189

    Also, there is no way he just started to feel ill on Thursday....that isn't how COVID works.
    My own theory is that he's had it since last weekend and decided he wasn't going to miss the debate.

    If I'm darkly cynical he attended in the hope to infect Sleepy Joe.
    I thought they said everyone in the room had been tested? Do we know when those tests were conducted?
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    OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,277

    Is this where he gets replaced with an alien doppleganger, but everyone finds out because the doppleganger is generally more competent and more likeable and makes more sense?

    Don't look at me. I voted for Kodos.
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    Pulpstar said:

    When was the debate again

    Tuesday night (US time), Wednesday 2am BST.
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    OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,277

    OnboardG1 said:

    Well despite daily testing the American Hand Egg is suffering lots of covid outbreaks now. The club owners vetoed the idea of copying the cricket biosecure bubble in favour of daily testing.

    Is a translation into English available for that post? ^^^^^^^^^
    NFL ownersand comissioners didn't go for the way that sport in Europe is run right now (players in bubbles) and instead test the players every day (despite testing not always catching someone while symptomatic). This has gone about as well as expected.
    My understanding is the league officials and players union agreed in principle to biosecure approach, locking players away in hotels for 7 months. It was (some of) the owners who said no, and the comprise was daily testing (at incredible cost).
    Feels like they should have just said "Okay no NFL for your team this season". But I'm sure there would have been a lawyer horde in that case.
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    OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,277
    tlg86 said:

    Also, there is no way he just started to feel ill on Thursday....that isn't how COVID works.
    My own theory is that he's had it since last weekend and decided he wasn't going to miss the debate.

    If I'm darkly cynical he attended in the hope to infect Sleepy Joe.
    I thought they said everyone in the room had been tested? Do we know when those tests were conducted?
    Trump was not. Wallace mentioned it the other day.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,187
    edited October 2020

    So what's the 4d chess interpretation of the doctor saying Trump is ok, while his own staffer saying no he is on the edge, stuff?

    That quite different from the doctors trying to calm the nation and a hospital worker leaking that isn't true.

    I hate conspiracy theories but I make an exception here. It's like this -

    He's doing good. So far it's looking like a mild case. As per the Doc. But he and his political team want to amp it up. They want to build the drama. The concern. The sympathy. So they brief accordingly off the record. They whisper that old Trumpy is in a heap of trouble here. And they get the Doc to give an ambiguous answer on oxygen. So rather than the simple truth - that he doesn't need it - he garbles the convoluted gobbledegook we heard and which is now (precisely as they wanted) being analysed to death.

    Objective - Set up a "President Trump battles through" moment in due course for maximum electoral impact.
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    Also, there is no way he just started to feel ill on Thursday....that isn't how COVID works.
    My own theory is that he's had it since last weekend and decided he wasn't going to miss the debate.

    If I'm darkly cynical he attended in the hope to infect Sleepy Joe.
    One thing that struck me from the press conference was doctors strange answer on testing...he said something like i won't get into the historical situation, but was confirmed by PCR test on Thursday night.

    Here's a theory...he felt crappy for a week, he got tested, got a positive, then got a negative and forged ahead. I believe there has been concern about the accuracy of testing the white house use for daily screening.
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    Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 7,981
    OnboardG1 said:

    Well despite daily testing the American Hand Egg is suffering lots of covid outbreaks now. The club owners vetoed the idea of copying the cricket biosecure bubble in favour of daily testing.

    Is a translation into English available for that post? ^^^^^^^^^
    NFL ownersand comissioners didn't go for the way that sport in Europe is run right now (players in bubbles) and instead test the players every day (despite testing not always catching someone while symptomatic). This has gone about as well as expected.
    @OnboardG1 - Thank you
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,139
    HYUFD said:
    It's not Trump! Where in that tweet does it state " Chynna virus"?
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    Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 7,981
    OnboardG1 said:
    Are we sure it is photoshopped?

    Just asking....
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,718
    The medic said that Trump is working. So he’ll be watching cartoons at least.
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    Also, there is no way he just started to feel ill on Thursday....that isn't how COVID works.
    My own theory is that he's had it since last weekend and decided he wasn't going to miss the debate.

    If I'm darkly cynical he attended in the hope to infect Sleepy Joe.
    One thing that struck me from the press conference was doctors strange answer on testing...he said something like i won't get into the historical situation, but was confirmed by PCR test on Thursday night.

    Here's a theory...he felt crappy for a week, he got tested, got a positive, then got a negative and forged ahead. I believe there has been concern about the accuracy of testing the white house use for daily screening.
    The other theory in my head, Trump gets a positive test early in the week, says it must be a false positive and carries on normal until it is impossible to carry on as normal.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,139
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,119
    HYUFD said:
    What is the Twitter equivalent of being photographed holding today's edition of the Times, to prove you're still alive?
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,952
    tlg86 said:

    Also, there is no way he just started to feel ill on Thursday....that isn't how COVID works.
    My own theory is that he's had it since last weekend and decided he wasn't going to miss the debate.

    If I'm darkly cynical he attended in the hope to infect Sleepy Joe.
    I thought they said everyone in the room had been tested? Do we know when those tests were conducted?
    The Trump team arrived "too late" to be tested.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    tlg86 said:

    Also, there is no way he just started to feel ill on Thursday....that isn't how COVID works.
    My own theory is that he's had it since last weekend and decided he wasn't going to miss the debate.

    If I'm darkly cynical he attended in the hope to infect Sleepy Joe.
    I thought they said everyone in the room had been tested? Do we know when those tests were conducted?
    No, the Trump team arrived too late to be tested at the site.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,189
    OnboardG1 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Also, there is no way he just started to feel ill on Thursday....that isn't how COVID works.
    My own theory is that he's had it since last weekend and decided he wasn't going to miss the debate.

    If I'm darkly cynical he attended in the hope to infect Sleepy Joe.
    I thought they said everyone in the room had been tested? Do we know when those tests were conducted?
    Trump was not. Wallace mentioned it the other day.
    What?! I am sure I heard him say during the debate that everyone in the room had been tested.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,187

    First

    So...does he make it?

    I genuinely hope so! Lashings of humble pie to be consumed by Trump after a Biden win.

    Yes. He makes it and there is never a point at which it becomes serious although the impression will be created that it has. This is my prediction.
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,119
    kinabalu said:

    So what's the 4d chess interpretation of the doctor saying Trump is ok, while his own staffer saying no he is on the edge, stuff?

    That quite different from the doctors trying to calm the nation and a hospital worker leaking that isn't true.

    I hate conspiracy theories but I make an exception here. It's like this -

    He's doing good. So far it's looking like a mild case. As per the Doc. But he and his political team want to amp it up. They want to build the drama. The concern. The sympathy. So they brief accordingly off the record. They whisper that old Trumpy is in a heap of trouble here. And they get the Doc to give an ambiguous answer on oxygen. So rather than the simple truth - that he doesn't need it - he garbles the convoluted gobbledegook we heard and which is now (precisely as they wanted) being analysed to death.

    Objective - Set up a "President Trump battles through" moment in due course for maximum electoral impact.
    I thought you just told us his osteopath was trying to hype up the drama!
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    HYUFD said:
    It's not Trump! Where in that tweet does it state " Chynna virus"?
    Ah, I remember Chynna Virus. Gorgeous girl and a fantastic performer. I believe she got a substantial cheque from the Trump Corporation via Michael Cohen, but Donald didn't personally authorise it.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,562
    Stocky said:

    The medic said that Trump is working. So he’ll be watching cartoons at least.

    I wonder whether he's having to cut down on the burgers.
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,718
    kinabalu said:

    First

    So...does he make it?

    I genuinely hope so! Lashings of humble pie to be consumed by Trump after a Biden win.

    Yes. He makes it and there is never a point at which it becomes serious although the impression will be created that it has. This is my prediction.
    Are your bets lays of Trump or bets on Biden, Kinabalu? Or winning party?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,955
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,187
    edited October 2020
    Chris said:

    kinabalu said:

    So what's the 4d chess interpretation of the doctor saying Trump is ok, while his own staffer saying no he is on the edge, stuff?

    That quite different from the doctors trying to calm the nation and a hospital worker leaking that isn't true.

    I hate conspiracy theories but I make an exception here. It's like this -

    He's doing good. So far it's looking like a mild case. As per the Doc. But he and his political team want to amp it up. They want to build the drama. The concern. The sympathy. So they brief accordingly off the record. They whisper that old Trumpy is in a heap of trouble here. And they get the Doc to give an ambiguous answer on oxygen. So rather than the simple truth - that he doesn't need it - he garbles the convoluted gobbledegook we heard and which is now (precisely as they wanted) being analysed to death.

    Objective - Set up a "President Trump battles through" moment in due course for maximum electoral impact.
    I thought you just told us his osteopath was trying to hype up the drama!
    Yep. The combo of his ambiguous O2 answer plus the downbeat briefing of the Trump aide together creates the desired impression that (i) Trump is really in trouble and (ii) the medics are playing it down. I think I'm right on this one. I think I've sussed it.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,722
    @geoffw I have responded to your question on no-deal via your inbox
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,189
    I don't recall Trump coughing once during the debate.
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    Conspiracy theory hat on....great advertising for the gut rot drink sponsor.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    HYUFD said:
    No one cares about her gender, or no one cares about Belgium?
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,139
    tlg86 said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Also, there is no way he just started to feel ill on Thursday....that isn't how COVID works.
    My own theory is that he's had it since last weekend and decided he wasn't going to miss the debate.

    If I'm darkly cynical he attended in the hope to infect Sleepy Joe.
    I thought they said everyone in the room had been tested? Do we know when those tests were conducted?
    Trump was not. Wallace mentioned it the other day.
    What?! I am sure I heard him say during the debate that everyone in the room had been tested.
    So...just like the draft, he is taking sickness to avoid the debates.

    Or

    And this is my theory. His passing is announced a week Friday. On the following Sunday he stands proud and tall at a lecturn in the Rose Garden. A divine resurrection! EC landslide.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,377
    edited October 2020
    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    No one cares about her gender, or no one cares about Belgium?
    I care a great deal about Belgium, not only it did give the world D'Hondt PR but the nation of Belgium was created to annoy the French, what's not to love?
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,187
    Stocky said:

    kinabalu said:

    First

    So...does he make it?

    I genuinely hope so! Lashings of humble pie to be consumed by Trump after a Biden win.

    Yes. He makes it and there is never a point at which it becomes serious although the impression will be created that it has. This is my prediction.
    Are your bets lays of Trump or bets on Biden, Kinabalu? Or winning party?
    I actually closed out my betfair stuff a while ago for a modest profit and replaced with a stonker on Biden EC supremacy. Bought at 28 for £30. That's big for me. It was looking great pre-suspension but is voided if Trump pulls out. So I really hope I'm calling it right that he is not seriously ill.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    edited October 2020
    Meanwhile, on this side of the pond, whoever's in charge of updating the main Covid dashboard is taking their time but we have had today's NHS England hospital death figures. The broad picture remains the same - relative to the low point of mortality in late Summer, deaths are heavily skewed towards the North and a bit worse in London and the Midlands. Little evidence of deterioration on this metric in the South-West, the Home Counties and East Anglia.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    edited October 2020
    Of course the last President to die in office, JFK, saw his Vice President win a landslide in the next election when LBJ won in 1964 and the previous President to die in office, FDR, saw his Vice President win a surprise come from behind victory in 1948 and when President Harding died in 1923 his Vice President Coolidge was re elected in 1924 so the odds are good for Pence if he takes over following the death of Trump.

    Though of course we all hope Trump pulls through
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,261
    What Tories on ConHome are now saying about Bozo:

    “The PM was in Exeter yesterday and was interviewed for our localTV news by an experienced political commentator. The PM was evasive, bumbling, poorly prepared and utterly unconvincing“

    “Boris's dreadful performance on the Covid epidemic has let us all down badly“.

    “This is just not the right time for Boris to be the PM. This calls for a skillset which even his most ardent supporters know he doesnt possess “

    “Johnson is not PM material and never will be.”

    “ Sadly, it is also fair to Boris whose inability to take soundings has led to this sorry state – and he is still heading farther into the quick sands. Poor country, poor people”

    “ So Boris is past his shelf life. Who will replace him?”

    “ don't think Boris is able to up his game. I can't believe he was promoted to prime minister”
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    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    No one cares about her gender, or no one cares about Belgium?
    I care a great deal about Belgium, not only it did give the world D'Hondt PR but the nation of Belgium was created to annoy the French, what's not to love?
    https://youtu.be/FIqVY1SwXls
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    Dirty leeds are level...
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Also, there is no way he just started to feel ill on Thursday....that isn't how COVID works.
    My own theory is that he's had it since last weekend and decided he wasn't going to miss the debate.

    If I'm darkly cynical he attended in the hope to infect Sleepy Joe.
    They should empty chair him at the next 2 debates.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    No one cares about her gender, or no one cares about Belgium?
    Yes.
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,119
    So - does anyone understand what the official story is now?

    That 72 hours refers to when Trump was tested, rather than when he received the result? And that he was given treatment between those times as a precautionary measure? And that he was having difficulty breathing 24 hours ago but he's now almost fully recovered?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,195
    Sounds like tomorrow's Mail serialisation of the Bowers book will include stuff on the Ferguson model that closed down Britain and sent our economy off a cliff.

    Should make interesting reading.
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    HYUFD said:

    First

    So...does he make it?

    I genuinely hope so! Lashings of humble pie to be consumed by Trump after a Biden win.

    He will have to get used to joining Jimmy Carter, Grover Cleveland, Benjamin Harrison and John Adams as the only US Presidents to fail to win re election after only 1 term of their party in the White House if he does.

    Cleveland did come back to beat Harrison in the 1892 election and get a delayed second term but he had won the popular vote in 1888
    Putting John Adams on this list is VERY questionable, as he was was Federalist seen as continuation of Washington administration.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,139
    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:
    No one cares about her gender, or no one cares about Belgium?
    Both?
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    SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 6,258
    edited October 2020
    IanB2 said:

    What Tories on ConHome are now saying about Bozo:

    “The PM was in Exeter yesterday and was interviewed for our localTV news by an experienced political commentator. The PM was evasive, bumbling, poorly prepared and utterly unconvincing“

    “Boris's dreadful performance on the Covid epidemic has let us all down badly“.

    “This is just not the right time for Boris to be the PM. This calls for a skillset which even his most ardent supporters know he doesnt possess “

    “Johnson is not PM material and never will be.”

    “ Sadly, it is also fair to Boris whose inability to take soundings has led to this sorry state – and he is still heading farther into the quick sands. Poor country, poor people”

    “ So Boris is past his shelf life. Who will replace him?”

    “ don't think Boris is able to up his game. I can't believe he was promoted to prime minister”

    There have always been a proportion of Conservatives who absolutely loathe Johnson as lazy, dissolute, not a real Tory, and not up to it. They are finding their voice again after being put in their box by his hefty election win, as his flaws have come to the fore in this crisis.

    Now I basically agree with their analysis... but are they winning converts in the Conservative Party? I suspect not yet, and that it remains mainly people who always hated him but were temporarily silenced. The grassroots still like his style, and he's not faced any elections at which councillors lose seats, MPs get seriously nervous and so on.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    HYUFD said:

    Of course the last President to die in office, JFK, saw his Vice President win a landslide in the next election when LBJ won in 1964 and the previous President to die in office, FDR, saw his Vice President win a surprise come from behind victory in 1948 and when President Harding died in 1923 his Vice President Coolidge was re elected in 1924 so the odds are good for Pence if he takes over following the death of Trump.

    Though of course we all hope Trump pulls through
    I just want him away from the levers of power Nov to Jan. If the reason he's away from them is a failure to pull through, that's terribly sad but...
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    Good news - we don't have to keep waiting for this year's October Surpirse!

    Bad news - Trumpsky (like Bojo?) making BIG play for the sympathy vote.

    Good news - zero evidence there IS any sympathy vote for US President.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    edited October 2020

    HYUFD said:

    First

    So...does he make it?

    I genuinely hope so! Lashings of humble pie to be consumed by Trump after a Biden win.

    He will have to get used to joining Jimmy Carter, Grover Cleveland, Benjamin Harrison and John Adams as the only US Presidents to fail to win re election after only 1 term of their party in the White House if he does.

    Cleveland did come back to beat Harrison in the 1892 election and get a delayed second term but he had won the popular vote in 1888
    Putting John Adams on this list is VERY questionable, as he was was Federalist seen as continuation of Washington administration.
    Washington was technically an Independent and moderated between the Federalists and Democratic Republicans in his Cabinet.

    He was succeeded by John Adams, the first official Federalist President, who lost his battle for re election in 1800 to Thomas Jefferson, a Democratic-Republican.

    The Whigs (the ancestral party of today's Republican Party) also held the Presidency for only one term from 1840 to 1844 and 1848 to 1852 but neither William Harrison or Zachary Taylor sought re election
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    HYUFD said:

    Of course the last President to die in office, JFK, saw his Vice President win a landslide in the next election...
    Er, not sure he "saw" it.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,187
    edited October 2020

    Good news - we don't have to keep waiting for this year's October Surpirse!

    Bad news - Trumpsky (like Bojo?) making BIG play for the sympathy vote.

    Good news - zero evidence there IS any sympathy vote for US President.

    That is good to hear and I agree. He will milk this situation to the max but it's not going to work.
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    Reuters article on the problems the Biden campaign is facing enthusing Hispanics in Wisconsin.

    https://news.yahoo.com/battleground-wisconsin-latinos-feel-ignored-101140103.html

    Interesting description in there of Nevada as "increasingly competitive".
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    IanB2 said:

    What Tories on ConHome are now saying about Bozo:

    “The PM was in Exeter yesterday and was interviewed for our localTV news by an experienced political commentator. The PM was evasive, bumbling, poorly prepared and utterly unconvincing“

    “Boris's dreadful performance on the Covid epidemic has let us all down badly“.

    “This is just not the right time for Boris to be the PM. This calls for a skillset which even his most ardent supporters know he doesnt possess “

    “Johnson is not PM material and never will be.”

    “ Sadly, it is also fair to Boris whose inability to take soundings has led to this sorry state – and he is still heading farther into the quick sands. Poor country, poor people”

    “ So Boris is past his shelf life. Who will replace him?”

    “ don't think Boris is able to up his game. I can't believe he was promoted to prime minister”

    There have always been a proportion of Conservatives who absolutely loathe Johnson as lazy, dissolute, not a real Tory, and not up to it. They are finding their voice again after being put in their box by his hefty election win, as his flaws have come to the fore in this crisis.

    Now I basically agree with their analysis... but are they winning converts in the Conservative Party? I suspect not yet, and that it remains mainly people who always hated him but were temporarily silenced. The grassroots still like his style, and he's not faced any elections at which councillors lose seats, MPs get seriously nervous and so on.
    His problem will be that the fundamental composition of Conservative MPs has changed, with a greater weighting from the former industrial areas. So this is not the Knights of the Shire of old who might have given BoJo a pass because he went to Eton and Oxford and with whom they felt they had something in common. As long as they get the vibes he has outlived his usefulness, he will be gone.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,541
    edited October 2020
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    tlg86 said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Also, there is no way he just started to feel ill on Thursday....that isn't how COVID works.
    My own theory is that he's had it since last weekend and decided he wasn't going to miss the debate.

    If I'm darkly cynical he attended in the hope to infect Sleepy Joe.
    I thought they said everyone in the room had been tested? Do we know when those tests were conducted?
    Trump was not. Wallace mentioned it the other day.
    What?! I am sure I heard him say during the debate that everyone in the room had been tested.
    ‘Honour’ system.
    Which would be a first for Trump.
    https://thehill.com/homenews/media/519418-chris-wallace-trump-arrived-too-late-to-be-tested-in-ohio-before-debate-relied
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    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    First

    So...does he make it?

    I genuinely hope so! Lashings of humble pie to be consumed by Trump after a Biden win.

    He will have to get used to joining Jimmy Carter, Grover Cleveland, Benjamin Harrison and John Adams as the only US Presidents to fail to win re election after only 1 term of their party in the White House if he does.

    Cleveland did come back to beat Harrison in the 1892 election and get a delayed second term but he had won the popular vote in 1888
    Putting John Adams on this list is VERY questionable, as he was was Federalist seen as continuation of Washington administration.
    Washington was technically an Independent and moderated between the Federalists and Democratic Republicans in his Cabinet.

    He was succeeded by John Adams, the first official Federalist President, who lost his battle for re election in 1800 to Thomas Jefferson, a Democratic-Republican.

    The Whigs (the ancestral party of today's Republican Party) also held the Presidency for only one term from 1840 to 1844 and 1848 to 1852 but neither William Harrison or Zachary Taylor sought re election
    Your analysis of Washington as an independent moderator is NOT correct for his SECOND term, the one that preceded election of John Adams.

    Read up re: Flexner, Malone and many other authorities based on primary sources.

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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,189
    Nigelb said:

    .

    tlg86 said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Also, there is no way he just started to feel ill on Thursday....that isn't how COVID works.
    My own theory is that he's had it since last weekend and decided he wasn't going to miss the debate.

    If I'm darkly cynical he attended in the hope to infect Sleepy Joe.
    I thought they said everyone in the room had been tested? Do we know when those tests were conducted?
    Trump was not. Wallace mentioned it the other day.
    What?! I am sure I heard him say during the debate that everyone in the room had been tested.
    ‘Honour’ system.
    Which would be a first for Trump.
    https://thehill.com/homenews/media/519418-chris-wallace-trump-arrived-too-late-to-be-tested-in-ohio-before-debate-relied
    When Wallace said everyone in the room had been tested, I thought he must have been referring to something that would have been in the agreement for the debate to take place. It seems odd that the Dems were happy for the debate to happen without negative tests being confirmed quite close to the debate taking place.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    MrEd said:

    IanB2 said:

    What Tories on ConHome are now saying about Bozo:

    “The PM was in Exeter yesterday and was interviewed for our localTV news by an experienced political commentator. The PM was evasive, bumbling, poorly prepared and utterly unconvincing“

    “Boris's dreadful performance on the Covid epidemic has let us all down badly“.

    “This is just not the right time for Boris to be the PM. This calls for a skillset which even his most ardent supporters know he doesnt possess “

    “Johnson is not PM material and never will be.”

    “ Sadly, it is also fair to Boris whose inability to take soundings has led to this sorry state – and he is still heading farther into the quick sands. Poor country, poor people”

    “ So Boris is past his shelf life. Who will replace him?”

    “ don't think Boris is able to up his game. I can't believe he was promoted to prime minister”

    There have always been a proportion of Conservatives who absolutely loathe Johnson as lazy, dissolute, not a real Tory, and not up to it. They are finding their voice again after being put in their box by his hefty election win, as his flaws have come to the fore in this crisis.

    Now I basically agree with their analysis... but are they winning converts in the Conservative Party? I suspect not yet, and that it remains mainly people who always hated him but were temporarily silenced. The grassroots still like his style, and he's not faced any elections at which councillors lose seats, MPs get seriously nervous and so on.
    His problem will be that the fundamental composition of Conservative MPs has changed, with a greater weighting from the former industrial areas. So this is not the Knights of the Shire of old who might have given BoJo a pass because he went to Eton and Oxford and with whom they felt they had something in common. As long as they get the vibes he has outlived his usefulness, he will be gone.
    Indeed, 59% of Conservative MPs now went to state school, in 1979 73% of Conservative MPs went to private school

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/working-class-mps-make-the-victory-truly-comprehensive-9cc3r3zcw

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-48745333
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    MrEd said:

    IanB2 said:

    What Tories on ConHome are now saying about Bozo:

    “The PM was in Exeter yesterday and was interviewed for our localTV news by an experienced political commentator. The PM was evasive, bumbling, poorly prepared and utterly unconvincing“

    “Boris's dreadful performance on the Covid epidemic has let us all down badly“.

    “This is just not the right time for Boris to be the PM. This calls for a skillset which even his most ardent supporters know he doesnt possess “

    “Johnson is not PM material and never will be.”

    “ Sadly, it is also fair to Boris whose inability to take soundings has led to this sorry state – and he is still heading farther into the quick sands. Poor country, poor people”

    “ So Boris is past his shelf life. Who will replace him?”

    “ don't think Boris is able to up his game. I can't believe he was promoted to prime minister”

    There have always been a proportion of Conservatives who absolutely loathe Johnson as lazy, dissolute, not a real Tory, and not up to it. They are finding their voice again after being put in their box by his hefty election win, as his flaws have come to the fore in this crisis.

    Now I basically agree with their analysis... but are they winning converts in the Conservative Party? I suspect not yet, and that it remains mainly people who always hated him but were temporarily silenced. The grassroots still like his style, and he's not faced any elections at which councillors lose seats, MPs get seriously nervous and so on.
    His problem will be that the fundamental composition of Conservative MPs has changed, with a greater weighting from the former industrial areas. So this is not the Knights of the Shire of old who might have given BoJo a pass because he went to Eton and Oxford and with whom they felt they had something in common. As long as they get the vibes he has outlived his usefulness, he will be gone.
    I actually think the reverse. The knights of the shire were loyal up to the point that they weren't. Differences were resolved in private, with public loyalty. But when patience was exhausted, the Party came first, and the leader was finished.

    The new breed let off steam a bit but ultimately they owe Johnson personally, and need him even if he's tarnished - they aren't holding those seats with Jeremy Hunt or whatever, and ultimately have to lash themselves to the mast. I think when push comes to shove, that's what they'll do. Also, members have personal loyalty to him, and aren't readily going to let their MP cast him aside.

    I ultimately think this "Johnson under pressure" stuff is for the birds. If he wants to - and he actually might not as he finds being PM a pain and it detracts from his social life - I think there is practically zero chance of him being eased out as party leader in the next five years. He'd either lose a general election or come under greater pressure with a reduced majority in a second full term.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,881

    Well despite daily testing the American Hand Egg is suffering lots of covid outbreaks now. The club owners vetoed the idea of copying the cricket biosecure bubble in favour of daily testing.

    The only way to organise sports is the way F1 and the IPL cricket have done it - with closed venues, hotels and transport, no-one in or out and lots of testing.

    For some reason, an awful lot of sportspeople seem to think they’re immune from it, or that they don’t need to modify their usual risky behaviour during a pandemic.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    HYUFD said:

    MrEd said:

    IanB2 said:

    What Tories on ConHome are now saying about Bozo:

    “The PM was in Exeter yesterday and was interviewed for our localTV news by an experienced political commentator. The PM was evasive, bumbling, poorly prepared and utterly unconvincing“

    “Boris's dreadful performance on the Covid epidemic has let us all down badly“.

    “This is just not the right time for Boris to be the PM. This calls for a skillset which even his most ardent supporters know he doesnt possess “

    “Johnson is not PM material and never will be.”

    “ Sadly, it is also fair to Boris whose inability to take soundings has led to this sorry state – and he is still heading farther into the quick sands. Poor country, poor people”

    “ So Boris is past his shelf life. Who will replace him?”

    “ don't think Boris is able to up his game. I can't believe he was promoted to prime minister”

    There have always been a proportion of Conservatives who absolutely loathe Johnson as lazy, dissolute, not a real Tory, and not up to it. They are finding their voice again after being put in their box by his hefty election win, as his flaws have come to the fore in this crisis.

    Now I basically agree with their analysis... but are they winning converts in the Conservative Party? I suspect not yet, and that it remains mainly people who always hated him but were temporarily silenced. The grassroots still like his style, and he's not faced any elections at which councillors lose seats, MPs get seriously nervous and so on.
    His problem will be that the fundamental composition of Conservative MPs has changed, with a greater weighting from the former industrial areas. So this is not the Knights of the Shire of old who might have given BoJo a pass because he went to Eton and Oxford and with whom they felt they had something in common. As long as they get the vibes he has outlived his usefulness, he will be gone.
    Indeed, 59% of Conservative MPs now went to state school, in 1979 73% of Conservative MPs went to private school

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/working-class-mps-make-the-victory-truly-comprehensive-9cc3r3zcw

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-48745333
    Only 34% of Conservative MPs have been to Oxbridge too, in 1997 it was 51%
    file:///home/chronos/u-a4ac0077cff3dec12ab65f91af1476ea4829487c/MyFiles/Downloads/CBP-7483%20(1).pdf
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    rcs1000 said:

    The real story of the day, child car seat laws stop people having sex:

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3665046

    Oh, it's an economic analysis. I thought it would be the presence of a child seat making it impossible to stretch out on the back seat. (Cue PB petrolheads reminiscing about land crabs.)
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