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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Johnson’s former Attorney-General, Geoffrey Cox, says he’ll rebel against the PM’s ignore international law bill

With Johnson planning to push ahead with a law that would allow the government to ignore treaty obligations in relation to Brexit a big Tory figure and Brexiteer, former A-G Geoffrey Cox has told that Times that he plans to join the rebels when this comes before the house.

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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 76,595
    Wouldn't it be amusing if 50 Tory MPs rebelled over the internal market bill, yet it still passed but only thanks to the votes of the DUP
  • HYUFD said:

    Wouldn't it be amusing if 50 Tory MPs rebelled over the internal market bill, yet it still passed but only thanks to the votes of the DUP

    I thought labour were going to abstain?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 76,595

    HYUFD said:

    Wouldn't it be amusing if 50 Tory MPs rebelled over the internal market bill, yet it still passed but only thanks to the votes of the DUP

    I thought labour were going to abstain?
    I expect the temptation to defeat the government would be too much to resist
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 3,569

    HYUFD said:

    Wouldn't it be amusing if 50 Tory MPs rebelled over the internal market bill, yet it still passed but only thanks to the votes of the DUP

    I thought labour were going to abstain?
    Labour are voting against
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 2,403
    Do 50 MPs really want to lose their careers so early in the Parliament? Press on!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 34,049

    Do 50 MPs really want to lose their careers so early in the Parliament? Press on!

    They might find favour in the Sunak administration.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 73
    Trump in violation of Nevada state rules is holding an indoor rally ! No social distancing or masks .

    The fact that likely at least 45% of Americans will vote for him shows what a sorry state the country is in.
  • nico679 said:

    Trump in violation of Nevada state rules is holding an indoor rally ! No social distancing or masks .

    The fact that likely at least 45% of Americans will vote for him shows what a sorry state the country is in.

    One of the lesser laws has violated - in more than one meaning of the word.
  • As Andy Warhol once said "In the future, everyone will be UKIP leader for 15 minutes".
  • I think everyone knows what mingle means surely?
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 3,953
    edited September 13
    FPT:
    rcs1000 said:

    LadyG said:

    It is an odd trilogy. I wondered why the 2nd book was so different in tone from the first and then I realised that a different translator had been used. I did not like the 3rd book at all - it seemed all over the place and I never managed to finish it.
  • ARM sale to be announced today. Bye bye ARM, only a matter of time until they are shut down.

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/09/nvidia-reportedly-to-acquire-arm-holdings-from-softbank-for-40-billion/
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 3,953

    ARM sale to be announced today. Bye bye ARM, only a matter of time until they are shut down.

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/09/nvidia-reportedly-to-acquire-arm-holdings-from-softbank-for-40-billion/

    Another UK technology flushed down the loo ...
  • ARM sale to be announced today. Bye bye ARM, only a matter of time until they are shut down.

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/09/nvidia-reportedly-to-acquire-arm-holdings-from-softbank-for-40-billion/

    Can someone please explain why we should care about this?

    ARM was already sold 4 years ago to Softbank, that was controversial at the time but happened. 4 years later its being re-sold. Given the original sale had already happened why should we be bothered now especially? What difference does it make if ARM is owned by Softbank or Nvidia?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 32,678
    edited September 14


    It is an odd trilogy. I wondered why the 2nd book was so different in tone from the first and then I realised that a different translator had been used. I did not like the 3rd book at all - it seemed all over the place and I never managed to finish it.

    The ending of the third book made no sense to me, because I don't see (even if it were possible) how the folding of three dimensional space into two dimensional could be stopped. It would thus be a weapon that would destroy the universe, not just the targeted galaxy.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 47,986
    edited September 14

    ARM sale to be announced today. Bye bye ARM, only a matter of time until they are shut down.

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/09/nvidia-reportedly-to-acquire-arm-holdings-from-softbank-for-40-billion/

    Can someone please explain why we should care about this?

    ARM was already sold 4 years ago to Softbank, that was controversial at the time but happened. 4 years later its being re-sold. Given the original sale had already happened why should we be bothered now especially? What difference does it make if ARM is owned by Softbank or Nvidia?
    Softbank plan was to hopefully invest in ARM, make it bigger better and secure its place in the microprocessor market. That hasn't worked out, Softbank have overpaid and can't work out how to expand ARM enough to make the sort of return they wanted, so they now want to exit that position (as they have also invested in a lot of duff companies like WeWork).

    Nvidia is only buying it to secure the IP and restrict their competitors from getting access to competitive chip designs in the near to mid future. It is in their interest to run ARM into the ground, and in doing so handicap their competition, with the long term goal of being so far ahead of many that they are then secure for many generations to come. They certainly don't want ARM being world leader in chip design that anybody else can purchase the designs for.

    Its like Chelsea's approach to buying so much of the world's youth talent that they have to send 30+ players on loan every season. They aren't actually that interested in most of the talent they buy, they are really just stopping everybody else from getting those players.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 8,024
    This whole situation is just pants.Full stop. Period.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 32,678
    I've made a few changes.

    I hope everyone is happy :smile:
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 32,678

    ARM sale to be announced today. Bye bye ARM, only a matter of time until they are shut down.

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/09/nvidia-reportedly-to-acquire-arm-holdings-from-softbank-for-40-billion/

    Can someone please explain why we should care about this?

    ARM was already sold 4 years ago to Softbank, that was controversial at the time but happened. 4 years later its being re-sold. Given the original sale had already happened why should we be bothered now especially? What difference does it make if ARM is owned by Softbank or Nvidia?
    I suspect Nvidia will be a better owner than Softbank, but that's just my gut.

    The risk is (long term) that Nvidia gives itself "premium" access to ARM, so that Qualcomm and Samsung and the like are all playing catchup. If that happens, it's possible they *might* move away from ARM in the long term.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 15,012
    rcs1000 said:

    I've made a few changes.

    I hope everyone is happy :smile:

    I'll be honest, it's scary!
  • rcs1000 said:

    I've made a few changes.

    I hope everyone is happy :smile:

    It says "comments are closed" down the bottom.

    Do we need the archives links at the bottom of the comments thread (or at the side as used to be the case)? Can't the links be kept on the front page or even on a separate links page?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 61,391
    rcs1000 said:

    I've made a few changes.

    I hope everyone is happy :smile:

    The mobile site is finally usable. Just chops off the left side of the first letter though, just a few pixels now.
  • rcs1000 said:

    I've made a few changes.

    I hope everyone is happy :smile:

    It says "comments are closed" down the bottom.

    Do we need the archives links at the bottom of the comments thread (or at the side as used to be the case)? Can't the links be kept on the front page or even on a separate links page?
    Comments are slow to load, appearing a few seconds after the fixed elements (including "comments are closed"). Is there also some cacheing of comments going on?
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 1,970
    rcs1000 said:

    I've made a few changes.

    I hope everyone is happy :smile:

    The Political betting.com banner is wider than my mobile screen in portrait rotation. On the plus side, the comments look good and my.load time is similar to before.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 1,970
    Pro_Rata said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I've made a few changes.

    I hope everyone is happy :smile:

    The Political betting.com banner is wider than my mobile screen in portrait rotation. On the plus side, the comments look good and my.load time is similar to before.
    Trying to edit still just greys the screen though. Guess you'll have to live with my typos and Android mangles for a while longer :)
  • - “Johnson/Cummings need to find a way of closing this down without appearing to have lost much face.”

    I see no indication that they want to close this down. They seem determined to poke Belfast, Brussels, Cardiff, Dublin, Edinburgh and Washington with shitty sticks. And bare-faced cheek and lies are Johnson’s and Cumming’s modus operandi.

    Choosing the repulsive Gove as the front man was a brave choice.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 6,750

  • alex_alex_ Posts: 2,280
    It appears that the Govt are fully aware that no deal is going to be an absolute catastrophe (see Rochdale Pioneers’illuminating comments in recents days -pointing out that problems of international trade post January will be almost all a problem of the U.K. Govt’s making) and are basically desperate to come up with as many scapegoats as possible. It appears at this stage that anything less than a formal extension (which they can’t do), including an actual agreement of some sort, could well be a catastrophe so their current play is to desperately tempt the EU to walk away so they can blame them. The small problem is that the Govt are claiming that no deal will be “fantastic” so i’m not sure how they square that circle. Ultimately, given the usual Govt playbook, I expect they will try to blame the supermarkets for the absence of food on the shelves.

    The GP thing is another example straight out of the Govt playbook. Put in place all sorts of restrictions and guidance to make offering of face to face appts very difficult and mandating rationing of offering said appointments. Even in this case encouraging GP’s to go down this route because of the far greater efficiency that it offers. And then, presumably in response to a few complaints in focus groups, bung a big headline in the Telegraph “ordering” GPS to disregard all previous guidance and actions they were encouraged to take. (probably in the back ground whilst officially telling them to carry on as before!).

    This sort of thing is happening so repeatedly and across so many areas of industry that eventually enough people are going to join the dots and realise that their own specialist area of knowledge is not the only place that the govt are lying to the public on a daily basis, and in fact conclude that virtually everything the govt is saying is at best a distortion, if not outright deception. Including on important matters where they might actually be telling the truth...
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 2,280

    HYUFD said:

    Wouldn't it be amusing if 50 Tory MPs rebelled over the internal market bill, yet it still passed but only thanks to the votes of the DUP

    I thought labour were going to abstain?
    I think there are often Parliamentary nuances on these things which are often not well understood. (see for example Philip(I think) saying that Cox is being misreported as opposing rather than abstaining).

    A vote against a bill at second reading essentially means that you reject the bill in principle not just certain aspects of it which you think can be amended. A bill that fails at second reading is killed stone dead until a future Parliamentary session. As the Internal Markets bill goes wider than just the issues involving Brexit, and as such is probably not opposed in principle by many of the critics, you would expect it to clear the first hurdle. Of course this will be breathlessly reported as a Govt triumph indicating that the rebellion has failed (in the Commons anyway). Remember what was misleadingly said about the second reading passing of the WA before the election?

    But then the amendments will come in. And then the rebellion will grow. (Cox has said that he will vote against the unamended bill at third reading). The test will be whether the Government is prepared to risk the whole bill for the sake of the Brexit bits. My concern would be that many of the non-Brexit bits are pretty outrageous in themselves, but MPs won’t focus on these.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if we end up with the suggested fudge which gives MPs a vote on any future breaking of the NI protocol. Which could well suit the Govt for a couple of reasons.

    1) the imposition of customs checks in the Irish Sea actually requires positive Govt administrative action to implement (of which they’ve done none so far). So they’ll just carry on not doing anything anyway
    2) even better - it won’t remotely satisfy the EU. Why would it? - it will still have enshrined in U.K. law the right of the U.K. to break the provisions of the WA. That this right rests in the hands of Parliament rather than ministers is of no consequence to them. But because all the headlines will be how the Govt has “compromised” to protect the treaty and preserve international law (even if they haven’treally) the EU will unambiguously get the blame in the British media, and by extension the Great British Public. Which is all the Govt care about.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 2,280
    murali_s said:

    Morning folks!

    This Government are a shower! They act and behave like the moronic mindless lying gangsters that they are.

    On COVID-19 testing, my best friend in South West London could not get a test for love or money for his two kids who are ill with suspected symptoms. Similarly my sister had to get a test privately done for her son. What the f*ck is going on with our world beating test, trace and isolate system?

    Brexit is of course a calamity as I have said from day one and Brexiteers, as exhibited by their recent behaviour, are nothing more than village idiots!

    Have a good day!

    And there are reports coming in from all over the country about how the test centres are half empty and not coming close to testing the volumes of people that they are set up to do.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 24,527

    I think everyone knows what mingle means surely?

    It’s a term that’s never before appeared in English law appearing, undefined, for the first time.
    So no one knows what it means in this context.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 24,527
    alex_ said:

    murali_s said:

    Morning folks!

    This Government are a shower! They act and behave like the moronic mindless lying gangsters that they are.

    On COVID-19 testing, my best friend in South West London could not get a test for love or money for his two kids who are ill with suspected symptoms. Similarly my sister had to get a test privately done for her son. What the f*ck is going on with our world beating test, trace and isolate system?

    Brexit is of course a calamity as I have said from day one and Brexiteers, as exhibited by their recent behaviour, are nothing more than village idiots!

    Have a good day!

    And there are reports coming in from all over the country about how the test centres are half empty and not coming close to testing the volumes of people that they are set up to do.
    It was reported a few days back that the bottleneck is the labs; this would seem to confirm that. So it would seem that the claimed capacity of 250k tests a day is somewhat less than that.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 31,428
    Very stylish, @rcs1000. I suppose after nearly 16 years a freshen up was due.

    But on point, he’s not really rebelling, is he? He’s abstaining. A rebellion will be when Johnson’s backbenchers combine with Labour to defeat the bill.

    At the same time, amusing to think that Johnson has now got caught in the same trap as May.

    I have to go and teach 150 children in five different rooms all with inadequate ventilation. Because obviously, seven people meeting in my own back garden is far riskier than that.

    Meanwhile, if Truss becomes sec of state for education, I’m out of this. She’s a useless, dishonest, third rate, stuck up nobody whose sole claim to fame is that she’s more promiscuous than Alan Clark.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 21,362
    Nigelb said:

    alex_ said:

    murali_s said:

    Morning folks!

    This Government are a shower! They act and behave like the moronic mindless lying gangsters that they are.

    On COVID-19 testing, my best friend in South West London could not get a test for love or money for his two kids who are ill with suspected symptoms. Similarly my sister had to get a test privately done for her son. What the f*ck is going on with our world beating test, trace and isolate system?

    Brexit is of course a calamity as I have said from day one and Brexiteers, as exhibited by their recent behaviour, are nothing more than village idiots!

    Have a good day!

    And there are reports coming in from all over the country about how the test centres are half empty and not coming close to testing the volumes of people that they are set up to do.
    It was reported a few days back that the bottleneck is the labs; this would seem to confirm that. So it would seem that the claimed capacity of 250k tests a day is somewhat less than that.
    I think it probably is about 250k but it's in the wrong part of the country. Where there is high incidence we don't have enough capacity but where there isn't a lot we've got spare. I'm sure Dido will fix it, I mean she's got what no experience in chemical logistics and diagnostics, who better?
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 2,280
    It’s incredible stuff. And this was in response to the police calling for “simplification?”.

    It appears you can have a party as long as it’s a “coming of age” party (excluding birthdays).

    And you can pretty much do whatever you want as long as what you are doing is badged as a protest. But you can’t mingle.

    But I think that meetings of the 1922 committee are now outlawed, as they relate to a “political body” which has been removed from the list of the exceptions. Trebles all round for the PM!
  • Do 50 MPs really want to lose their careers so early in the Parliament? Press on!

    How many working lawyers are there on the Conservative benches? This is beginning to look like the sort of thing a lawyer can't vote for and face themselves in the mirror afterwards.
    Or expect much of a post-parliamentary career.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 3,180
    Well said Sir Geoffrey Cox
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 2,280
    ydoethur said:

    Very stylish, @rcs1000. I suppose after nearly 16 years a freshen up was due.

    But on point, he’s not really rebelling, is he? He’s abstaining. A rebellion will be when Johnson’s backbenchers combine with Labour to defeat the bill.

    At the same time, amusing to think that Johnson has now got caught in the same trap as May.

    I have to go and teach 150 children in five different rooms all with inadequate ventilation. Because obviously, seven people meeting in my own back garden is far riskier than that.

    Meanwhile, if Truss becomes sec of state for education, I’m out of this. She’s a useless, dishonest, third rate, stuck up nobody whose sole claim to fame is that she’s more promiscuous than Alan Clark.

    Hi ydoether - see my post above. He said he will abstain at second reading and vote against at all future stages.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 24,527
    MaxPB said:

    Nigelb said:

    alex_ said:

    murali_s said:

    Morning folks!

    This Government are a shower! They act and behave like the moronic mindless lying gangsters that they are.

    On COVID-19 testing, my best friend in South West London could not get a test for love or money for his two kids who are ill with suspected symptoms. Similarly my sister had to get a test privately done for her son. What the f*ck is going on with our world beating test, trace and isolate system?

    Brexit is of course a calamity as I have said from day one and Brexiteers, as exhibited by their recent behaviour, are nothing more than village idiots!

    Have a good day!

    And there are reports coming in from all over the country about how the test centres are half empty and not coming close to testing the volumes of people that they are set up to do.
    It was reported a few days back that the bottleneck is the labs; this would seem to confirm that. So it would seem that the claimed capacity of 250k tests a day is somewhat less than that.
    I think it probably is about 250k but it's in the wrong part of the country. Where there is high incidence we don't have enough capacity but where there isn't a lot we've got spare. I'm sure Dido will fix it, I mean she's got what no experience in chemical logistics and diagnostics, who better?
    We’re reportedly sending tests abroad, so that doesn’t seem to add up either.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 24,527
    alex_ said:

    It’s incredible stuff. And this was in response to the police calling for “simplification?”.

    It appears you can have a party as long as it’s a “coming of age” party (excluding birthdays).

    And you can pretty much do whatever you want as long as what you are doing is badged as a protest. But you can’t mingle.

    But I think that meetings of the 1922 committee are now outlawed, as they relate to a “political body” which has been removed from the list of the exceptions. Trebles all round for the PM!
    Also place of work, perhaps ?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 41,922
    Ed Miliband sounding demented on R4.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 27,579
    How many members are still to have a go as leader? Carl Benjamin next?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 53,971
    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: more Azerbaijanesque than expected. Bet came off. Indeed, feel a bit daft for not going for the 3.25 on there being under 15.5 classified finishers.

    On the plus side, a specific not-to-be-classified bet I'd considered was Vettel so glad I didn't go down that route. Be annoying to back someone to fail in a race with 8 DNFs and manage to get it wrong.

    May or may not be a post-race ramble at some point. Pushed for time.

    Longer term bets:
    Norris now behind 5-4 to Sainz on qualifying this year.
    Hamilton up to 90 wins, 2 more and that bet comes off.
    Near certain the bet on him scoring under 9.5 will fail this year, but there we are.

    I had a £1 free bet on Racing Point to be top 3. They're currently 14 points off McLaren, which is reasonable, given it was at 26.
  • Ed Miliband sounding demented on R4.

    Ed Miliband speaking sense on R4.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 3,602
    murali_s said:

    Morning folks!

    This Government are a shower! They act and behave like the moronic mindless lying gangsters that they are.

    On COVID-19 testing, my best friend in South West London could not get a test for love or money for his two kids who are ill with suspected symptoms. Similarly my sister had to get a test privately done for her son. What the f*ck is going on with our world beating test, trace and isolate system?

    Brexit is of course a calamity as I have said from day one and Brexiteers, as exhibited by their recent behaviour, are nothing more than village idiots!

    Have a good day!

    "World beating" "World's best", "The best in the world" etc. statements are almost always wrong, whichever country you are in.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 27,579

    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: more Azerbaijanesque than expected. Bet came off. Indeed, feel a bit daft for not going for the 3.25 on there being under 15.5 classified finishers.

    On the plus side, a specific not-to-be-classified bet I'd considered was Vettel so glad I didn't go down that route. Be annoying to back someone to fail in a race with 8 DNFs and manage to get it wrong.

    May or may not be a post-race ramble at some point. Pushed for time.

    Longer term bets:
    Norris now behind 5-4 to Sainz on qualifying this year.
    Hamilton up to 90 wins, 2 more and that bet comes off.
    Near certain the bet on him scoring under 9.5 will fail this year, but there we are.

    I had a £1 free bet on Racing Point to be top 3. They're currently 14 points off McLaren, which is reasonable, given it was at 26.

    Good betting, I’d expected it to be a chaotic race - but not that chaotic!

    What makes Mugello similar to Baku is the long straight before the start/finish line, and half the midfield didn’t expect the leader to go so late - they should have watched the support races, where all the race leaders went very late during restarts.

    F1 drivers are supposed to be the best, and although it was fun to watch and no-one got injured, the demolition derby wasn’t the best advert for the sport.

    Speaking of which, I wonder if Mr Hamilton’s podium antics might be frowned upon by the F1 higher-ups? There’s a big difference between a generic “end racism” or even “black lives matter” protest, and a very specific protest about a live case. What if someone turns up on the podium in Russia next week wearing a “justice for Alexei Navalny” t-shirt?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 16,373

    ARM sale to be announced today. Bye bye ARM, only a matter of time until they are shut down.

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/09/nvidia-reportedly-to-acquire-arm-holdings-from-softbank-for-40-billion/

    Can someone please explain why we should care about this?

    ARM was already sold 4 years ago to Softbank, that was controversial at the time but happened. 4 years later its being re-sold. Given the original sale had already happened why should we be bothered now especially? What difference does it make if ARM is owned by Softbank or Nvidia?
    Arm was run at "arms length". Softbank was simply a finance company that was looking to extract profit from them, at their core they were still fundamentally a British company.

    Nvidia, on the other hand, will not have that relationship with ARM. They will be absorbed, the management will change, at a fundamental level Nvidia would benefit from ARM shutting down. They may well have paid all that cash to kill ARM.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 3,602

    Do 50 MPs really want to lose their careers so early in the Parliament? Press on!

    If 50 MP's lose the Conservative whip, they could form their own block and be larger than the SNP and over 4 times larger than the Liberal Democrats.

    It aint gonna happen. We saw in the May and Major Governments how quickly unhappy MPs on the government side fall into line, leaving just a small rump of rebel MPs.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 19,692
    edited September 14
    eristdoof said:

    murali_s said:

    Morning folks!

    This Government are a shower! They act and behave like the moronic mindless lying gangsters that they are.

    On COVID-19 testing, my best friend in South West London could not get a test for love or money for his two kids who are ill with suspected symptoms. Similarly my sister had to get a test privately done for her son. What the f*ck is going on with our world beating test, trace and isolate system?

    Brexit is of course a calamity as I have said from day one and Brexiteers, as exhibited by their recent behaviour, are nothing more than village idiots!

    Have a good day!

    "World beating" "World's best", "The best in the world" etc. statements are almost always wrong, whichever country you are in.
    Good morning everyone. I'm still recovering from yesterday's cricket!
    And, indeed Mr eristdoof; using such terms suggests that the user is trying to convince the audience of the case, against the demonstrable facts.
    And after that brief appearance I'm off to the gym. How long before such places are closed again, I wonder.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 2,280
    R
    Nigelb said:

    alex_ said:

    It’s incredible stuff. And this was in response to the police calling for “simplification?”.

    It appears you can have a party as long as it’s a “coming of age” party (excluding birthdays).

    And you can pretty much do whatever you want as long as what you are doing is badged as a protest. But you can’t mingle.

    But I think that meetings of the 1922 committee are now outlawed, as they relate to a “political body” which has been removed from the list of the exceptions. Trebles all round for the PM!
    Also place of work, perhaps ?
    Yeah I guess so. I’ll go for grey area ;)

    Of course, despite all the pisstaking, in reality the detail of these regulations only really matter for businesses etc. (not that making bad and unenforceable laws is a good thing) The “rule of six” message is quite a simple one - and most people will follow it after referring to Govt guidance rather than detailed legislation.

    After all, there haven’t yet been any successful prosecutions under the Coronavirus Act through the courts, so one more piece of “unenforceable” legislation won’t make any difference.

    Police will still be breaking up parties/gatherings, issuing fines etc etc and whether the odd person seeks to challenge their authority won’t make a big difference to the overall impact.
  • I just can't be upset about what "five chins" thinks, he helped tie us up in these legal knots, time we cut them
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 3,180
    Re. the 'losing careers' comment, I watch this all unfolding with dispassionate objectivity. One thing is for sure. Johnson's toryism is a passing fancy, a whim. It is not, and was never intended to be, the equivalent of Thatcherism or New Labour. It's reactionary, turbulent, anarchistic. It is a correction, nothing more. Pinning your career to its mast will last no more than four years, if that.

    The future of the Conservative Party lies far away from Boris Johnson.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 24,527
    Alistair said:

    ARM sale to be announced today. Bye bye ARM, only a matter of time until they are shut down.

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/09/nvidia-reportedly-to-acquire-arm-holdings-from-softbank-for-40-billion/

    Can someone please explain why we should care about this?

    ARM was already sold 4 years ago to Softbank, that was controversial at the time but happened. 4 years later its being re-sold. Given the original sale had already happened why should we be bothered now especially? What difference does it make if ARM is owned by Softbank or Nvidia?
    Arm was run at "arms length". Softbank was simply a finance company that was looking to extract profit from them, at their core they were still fundamentally a British company.

    Nvidia, on the other hand, will not have that relationship with ARM. They will be absorbed, the management will change, at a fundamental level Nvidia would benefit from ARM shutting down. They may well have paid all that cash to kill ARM.
    It will also, as pointed out by Herman Hauser, become a US company (for now it remains headquartered in the UK). That will represent a massive transfer of regulatory sovereignty to the US.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 27,579
    alex_ said:

    R

    Nigelb said:

    alex_ said:

    It’s incredible stuff. And this was in response to the police calling for “simplification?”.

    It appears you can have a party as long as it’s a “coming of age” party (excluding birthdays).

    And you can pretty much do whatever you want as long as what you are doing is badged as a protest. But you can’t mingle.

    But I think that meetings of the 1922 committee are now outlawed, as they relate to a “political body” which has been removed from the list of the exceptions. Trebles all round for the PM!
    Also place of work, perhaps ?
    Yeah I guess so. I’ll go for grey area ;)

    Of course, despite all the pisstaking, in reality the detail of these regulations only really matter for businesses etc. (not that making bad and unenforceable laws is a good thing) The “rule of six” message is quite a simple one - and most people will follow it after referring to Govt guidance rather than detailed legislation.

    After all, there haven’t yet been any successful prosecutions under the Coronavirus Act through the courts, so one more piece of “unenforceable” legislation won’t make any difference.

    Police will still be breaking up parties/gatherings, issuing fines etc etc and whether the odd person seeks to challenge their authority won’t make a big difference to the overall impact.
    What they’re trying to do is make sure people only meet in controlled environments.

    While in the early stages, it was hospitals, care homes and other workplaces that were spreaders of the disease, now it’s private homes, parties and nightclubs abroad, where the correct hygiene and distancing protocols are not being followed.

    This damn thing isn’t going away, and we are going to have to learn to live with it - yesterday was the record day for case reports, according to the WHO.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 2,280
    My mother's a GP. First email through this morning already from patient insisting must be offered a face to face appointment as soon as possible, no phone triaging in advance or anything, because "the Government says so" (as per Daily Telegraph.

    Ignore fact that Government guidance to GPs (and all previous public pronouncements by Hancock on the subject, is for all patients to be triaged, in fact not just for Covid period but this will be the way of the future.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 2,280

    Re. the 'losing careers' comment, I watch this all unfolding with dispassionate objectivity. One thing is for sure. Johnson's toryism is a passing fancy, a whim. It is not, and was never intended to be, the equivalent of Thatcherism or New Labour. It's reactionary, turbulent, anarchistic. It is a correction, nothing more. Pinning your career to its mast will last no more than four years, if that.

    The future of the Conservative Party lies far away from Boris Johnson.

    Don't be so sure. It is the DUP isation of the Right, analagous to what happened in Northern Ireland. Whither the UUP today?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 11,397
    FF43 said:

    This government is intellectually and morally bankrupt. It has no solutions, nor ideas, nor any moral leadership. It has no principles and respects no-one. All that's left is a sterile culture war, lies and corruption.

    No-one challenges this, it seems. That the government is honest and transparent with a strong moral purpose. It is brimming with ideas and delivering solutions.
  • We ran this piece in August on Nvidia buying Arm and why it’s such a big deal:
    https://www.iam-media.com/market-developments/if-nvidia-purchases-arm-it-will-create-processor-powerhouse
  • eekeek Posts: 9,242
    I do prefer the new look and feel - shame the vanilla comment box still can't cope with Tweets pushing old comments below the window.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 37,075
    It's well worth reading Geoffrey Cox's article in full in The Times today.

    He puts into words exactly what I think.
  • Interesting that the statutory instrument came into force at 00:01 but doesnt get laid before parliament until 10:30. Also that they use paragraphs (2)(a) and (2A) as separate paragraphs!
  • Nigelb said:

    Alistair said:

    ARM sale to be announced today. Bye bye ARM, only a matter of time until they are shut down.

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/09/nvidia-reportedly-to-acquire-arm-holdings-from-softbank-for-40-billion/

    Can someone please explain why we should care about this?

    ARM was already sold 4 years ago to Softbank, that was controversial at the time but happened. 4 years later its being re-sold. Given the original sale had already happened why should we be bothered now especially? What difference does it make if ARM is owned by Softbank or Nvidia?
    Arm was run at "arms length". Softbank was simply a finance company that was looking to extract profit from them, at their core they were still fundamentally a British company.

    Nvidia, on the other hand, will not have that relationship with ARM. They will be absorbed, the management will change, at a fundamental level Nvidia would benefit from ARM shutting down. They may well have paid all that cash to kill ARM.
    It will also, as pointed out by Herman Hauser, become a US company (for now it remains headquartered in the UK). That will represent a massive transfer of regulatory sovereignty to the US.
    Yep. Arm really matters. The US will really want it in US hands. Not least because it guarantees it can’t fall into Chinese hands. There will be a lot of pressure from the Trump Administration to allow the deal to happen. This is a big call for the government.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 37,075

    ARM sale to be announced today. Bye bye ARM, only a matter of time until they are shut down.

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/09/nvidia-reportedly-to-acquire-arm-holdings-from-softbank-for-40-billion/

    Rather than try and start a new £1trillion company you'd think Cummings would be more interested in saving an existing £40bn one.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 6,817
    Sandpit said:

    alex_ said:

    R

    Nigelb said:

    alex_ said:

    It’s incredible stuff. And this was in response to the police calling for “simplification?”.

    It appears you can have a party as long as it’s a “coming of age” party (excluding birthdays).

    And you can pretty much do whatever you want as long as what you are doing is badged as a protest. But you can’t mingle.

    But I think that meetings of the 1922 committee are now outlawed, as they relate to a “political body” which has been removed from the list of the exceptions. Trebles all round for the PM!
    Also place of work, perhaps ?
    Yeah I guess so. I’ll go for grey area ;)

    Of course, despite all the pisstaking, in reality the detail of these regulations only really matter for businesses etc. (not that making bad and unenforceable laws is a good thing) The “rule of six” message is quite a simple one - and most people will follow it after referring to Govt guidance rather than detailed legislation.

    After all, there haven’t yet been any successful prosecutions under the Coronavirus Act through the courts, so one more piece of “unenforceable” legislation won’t make any difference.

    Police will still be breaking up parties/gatherings, issuing fines etc etc and whether the odd person seeks to challenge their authority won’t make a big difference to the overall impact.
    What they’re trying to do is make sure people only meet in controlled environments.

    While in the early stages, it was hospitals, care homes and other workplaces that were spreaders of the disease, now it’s private homes, parties and nightclubs abroad, where the correct hygiene and distancing protocols are not being followed.

    This damn thing isn’t going away, and we are going to have to learn to live with it - yesterday was the record day for case reports, according to the WHO.
    It’s not just night clubs abroad it’s hoards of people gathering on the street hugging and kissing each other and ignoring all rules. Where in Europe are night clubs still open?
  • The complete mess the government have found themselves in over the Internal Market bill is a direct result of them ignoring the fact that there were only ever 2 options over the NI situation.

    Option 1 was to align to stay in the customs union and avoid any discrepancies between NI and Ireland. This was what May wanted and became the 'backstop'. Johnson dumped that and threw the NI Unionists under the bus with the Withdrawal agreement and everyone knew it, choosing to create a customs border down the Irish Sea - i.e Option 2.

    Ever since the referendum Brexiteers have tried to claim a 3rd way could be forged. This was always a lie, and even Johnson realised it eventually when he chose the 2nd option.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 37,075
    rcs1000 said:

    ARM sale to be announced today. Bye bye ARM, only a matter of time until they are shut down.

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/09/nvidia-reportedly-to-acquire-arm-holdings-from-softbank-for-40-billion/

    Can someone please explain why we should care about this?

    ARM was already sold 4 years ago to Softbank, that was controversial at the time but happened. 4 years later its being re-sold. Given the original sale had already happened why should we be bothered now especially? What difference does it make if ARM is owned by Softbank or Nvidia?
    I suspect Nvidia will be a better owner than Softbank, but that's just my gut.

    The risk is (long term) that Nvidia gives itself "premium" access to ARM, so that Qualcomm and Samsung and the like are all playing catchup. If that happens, it's possible they *might* move away from ARM in the long term.
    Why should we trust your word on this given that you're now bidding to be a yank?
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 2,280

    Nigelb said:

    Alistair said:

    ARM sale to be announced today. Bye bye ARM, only a matter of time until they are shut down.

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/09/nvidia-reportedly-to-acquire-arm-holdings-from-softbank-for-40-billion/

    Can someone please explain why we should care about this?

    ARM was already sold 4 years ago to Softbank, that was controversial at the time but happened. 4 years later its being re-sold. Given the original sale had already happened why should we be bothered now especially? What difference does it make if ARM is owned by Softbank or Nvidia?
    Arm was run at "arms length". Softbank was simply a finance company that was looking to extract profit from them, at their core they were still fundamentally a British company.

    Nvidia, on the other hand, will not have that relationship with ARM. They will be absorbed, the management will change, at a fundamental level Nvidia would benefit from ARM shutting down. They may well have paid all that cash to kill ARM.
    It will also, as pointed out by Herman Hauser, become a US company (for now it remains headquartered in the UK). That will represent a massive transfer of regulatory sovereignty to the US.
    Yep. Arm really matters. The US will really want it in US hands. Not least because it guarantees it can’t fall into Chinese hands. There will be a lot of pressure from the Trump Administration to allow the deal to happen. This is a big call for the government.

    Can they stop it?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 37,075
    ydoethur said:

    Very stylish, @rcs1000. I suppose after nearly 16 years a freshen up was due.

    But on point, he’s not really rebelling, is he? He’s abstaining. A rebellion will be when Johnson’s backbenchers combine with Labour to defeat the bill.

    At the same time, amusing to think that Johnson has now got caught in the same trap as May.

    I have to go and teach 150 children in five different rooms all with inadequate ventilation. Because obviously, seven people meeting in my own back garden is far riskier than that.

    Meanwhile, if Truss becomes sec of state for education, I’m out of this. She’s a useless, dishonest, third rate, stuck up nobody whose sole claim to fame is that she’s more promiscuous than Alan Clark.

    He's abstaining at second reading because that's the stage that considers the principle of the bill, and we absolutely need an Internal Market Act.
  • alex_ said:

    Nigelb said:

    Alistair said:

    ARM sale to be announced today. Bye bye ARM, only a matter of time until they are shut down.

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/09/nvidia-reportedly-to-acquire-arm-holdings-from-softbank-for-40-billion/

    Can someone please explain why we should care about this?

    ARM was already sold 4 years ago to Softbank, that was controversial at the time but happened. 4 years later its being re-sold. Given the original sale had already happened why should we be bothered now especially? What difference does it make if ARM is owned by Softbank or Nvidia?
    Arm was run at "arms length". Softbank was simply a finance company that was looking to extract profit from them, at their core they were still fundamentally a British company.

    Nvidia, on the other hand, will not have that relationship with ARM. They will be absorbed, the management will change, at a fundamental level Nvidia would benefit from ARM shutting down. They may well have paid all that cash to kill ARM.
    It will also, as pointed out by Herman Hauser, become a US company (for now it remains headquartered in the UK). That will represent a massive transfer of regulatory sovereignty to the US.
    Yep. Arm really matters. The US will really want it in US hands. Not least because it guarantees it can’t fall into Chinese hands. There will be a lot of pressure from the Trump Administration to allow the deal to happen. This is a big call for the government.

    Can they stop it?
    I assume they could put in a counter offer for ARM then float 49% of the company on the LSE?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 37,075

    Do 50 MPs really want to lose their careers so early in the Parliament? Press on!

    You have clocked that it's legally experienced Leavers rebelling this time rather than obstructionist Remainers, right?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 27,579
    nichomar said:

    Sandpit said:

    alex_ said:

    R

    Nigelb said:

    alex_ said:

    It’s incredible stuff. And this was in response to the police calling for “simplification?”.

    It appears you can have a party as long as it’s a “coming of age” party (excluding birthdays).

    And you can pretty much do whatever you want as long as what you are doing is badged as a protest. But you can’t mingle.

    But I think that meetings of the 1922 committee are now outlawed, as they relate to a “political body” which has been removed from the list of the exceptions. Trebles all round for the PM!
    Also place of work, perhaps ?
    Yeah I guess so. I’ll go for grey area ;)

    Of course, despite all the pisstaking, in reality the detail of these regulations only really matter for businesses etc. (not that making bad and unenforceable laws is a good thing) The “rule of six” message is quite a simple one - and most people will follow it after referring to Govt guidance rather than detailed legislation.

    After all, there haven’t yet been any successful prosecutions under the Coronavirus Act through the courts, so one more piece of “unenforceable” legislation won’t make any difference.

    Police will still be breaking up parties/gatherings, issuing fines etc etc and whether the odd person seeks to challenge their authority won’t make a big difference to the overall impact.
    What they’re trying to do is make sure people only meet in controlled environments.

    While in the early stages, it was hospitals, care homes and other workplaces that were spreaders of the disease, now it’s private homes, parties and nightclubs abroad, where the correct hygiene and distancing protocols are not being followed.

    This damn thing isn’t going away, and we are going to have to learn to live with it - yesterday was the record day for case reports, according to the WHO.
    It’s not just night clubs abroad it’s hoards of people gathering on the street hugging and kissing each other and ignoring all rules. Where in Europe are night clubs still open?
    Agreed about all the meeting in the streets. I think there’s a large discrepancy between where nightclubs are allowed to be open, and where they’re actually open.

    This week’s destination of choice for the British youth is apparently Turkey, Because it’s not (yet) on the quarantine list and the resorts are open as usual. No doubt infections there will start to rise in the next few weeks.
  • The complete mess the government have found themselves in over the Internal Market bill is a direct result of them ignoring the fact that there were only ever 2 options over the NI situation.

    Option 1 was to align to stay in the customs union and avoid any discrepancies between NI and Ireland. This was what May wanted and became the 'backstop'. Johnson dumped that and threw the NI Unionists under the bus with the Withdrawal agreement and everyone knew it, choosing to create a customs border down the Irish Sea - i.e Option 2.

    Ever since the referendum Brexiteers have tried to claim a 3rd way could be forged. This was always a lie, and even Johnson realised it eventually when he chose the 2nd option.

    The Government is going for option 3 which is what the EU and Ireland were going for until May lost her majority: diverge and deal with it.

    If we refuse to have an Internal Sea border and if we refuse to stay aligned then the EU will find an alternative solution. Because necessity is the mother of invention.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 3,309
    eristdoof said:

    Do 50 MPs really want to lose their careers so early in the Parliament? Press on!

    If 50 MP's lose the Conservative whip, they could form their own block and be larger than the SNP and over 4 times larger than the Liberal Democrats.

    It aint gonna happen. We saw in the May and Major Governments how quickly unhappy MPs on the government side fall into line, leaving just a small rump of rebel MPs.
    The fate of those Nandos guys is not encouraging. Genuinely can't remember what they called themselves, or who they were other than Chuka.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 21,362
    Alistair said:

    ARM sale to be announced today. Bye bye ARM, only a matter of time until they are shut down.

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/09/nvidia-reportedly-to-acquire-arm-holdings-from-softbank-for-40-billion/

    Can someone please explain why we should care about this?

    ARM was already sold 4 years ago to Softbank, that was controversial at the time but happened. 4 years later its being re-sold. Given the original sale had already happened why should we be bothered now especially? What difference does it make if ARM is owned by Softbank or Nvidia?
    Arm was run at "arms length". Softbank was simply a finance company that was looking to extract profit from them, at their core they were still fundamentally a British company.

    Nvidia, on the other hand, will not have that relationship with ARM. They will be absorbed, the management will change, at a fundamental level Nvidia would benefit from ARM shutting down. They may well have paid all that cash to kill ARM.
    Yes, ARM becomes Nvidia UK in a best case scenario, in a worst case it is shut down and the jobs and IP are transferred to the US.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 6,198

    Ed Miliband sounding demented on R4.

    Thank goodness Cameron shellacked him in the 2015 GE. Imagine the chaos if Milliband had won!
  • Various bits:
    1. Great new look for the site!
    2. The new Rule of Six regulations are as piss funny as I imagined they were going to be. They're going to be largely ignored because there are so many exclusions and contradictions
    3. My daughter has an intermittent cough/sniffles/sore throat and no other Covid conditions. Like various other kids at her school. We're sending her in. That kids are giving each other the usual bugs after 6 months away isn't a surprise
    4. The ARM thing. Once upon a time the UK was world-leading in technology. ARM being a great example of that. We can't complain about one foreign owner passing it to another foreign owner, but we should be questioning the wisdom of allowing these companies to be owned outside the UK at all. Our competitors manage to hold on to domestic ownership of major industrials - recognising the strategic importance of such operations. Why is it only in the UK where we think it OK for a foreign company to buy a major UK company for the purpose of running it into the ground?
  • Do 50 MPs really want to lose their careers so early in the Parliament? Press on!

    You have clocked that it's legally experienced Leavers rebelling this time rather than obstructionist Remainers, right?
    Doesn't make them right though. They're playing into the EU's hands if they do rebel.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 28,100
    Sandpit said:

    How many members are still to have a go as leader? Carl Benjamin next?
    How can you go lower than Hamilton? Who can possibly be next in that sequence?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 8,084
    edited September 14
    Test. Test edit.
  • alex_ said:

    Nigelb said:

    Alistair said:

    ARM sale to be announced today. Bye bye ARM, only a matter of time until they are shut down.

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/09/nvidia-reportedly-to-acquire-arm-holdings-from-softbank-for-40-billion/

    Can someone please explain why we should care about this?

    ARM was already sold 4 years ago to Softbank, that was controversial at the time but happened. 4 years later its being re-sold. Given the original sale had already happened why should we be bothered now especially? What difference does it make if ARM is owned by Softbank or Nvidia?
    Arm was run at "arms length". Softbank was simply a finance company that was looking to extract profit from them, at their core they were still fundamentally a British company.

    Nvidia, on the other hand, will not have that relationship with ARM. They will be absorbed, the management will change, at a fundamental level Nvidia would benefit from ARM shutting down. They may well have paid all that cash to kill ARM.
    It will also, as pointed out by Herman Hauser, become a US company (for now it remains headquartered in the UK). That will represent a massive transfer of regulatory sovereignty to the US.
    Yep. Arm really matters. The US will really want it in US hands. Not least because it guarantees it can’t fall into Chinese hands. There will be a lot of pressure from the Trump Administration to allow the deal to happen. This is a big call for the government.

    Can they stop it?
    They can deny regulatory approval, yes.

  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 6,817
    Sandpit said:

    nichomar said:

    Sandpit said:

    alex_ said:

    R

    Nigelb said:

    alex_ said:

    It’s incredible stuff. And this was in response to the police calling for “simplification?”.

    It appears you can have a party as long as it’s a “coming of age” party (excluding birthdays).

    And you can pretty much do whatever you want as long as what you are doing is badged as a protest. But you can’t mingle.

    But I think that meetings of the 1922 committee are now outlawed, as they relate to a “political body” which has been removed from the list of the exceptions. Trebles all round for the PM!
    Also place of work, perhaps ?
    Yeah I guess so. I’ll go for grey area ;)

    Of course, despite all the pisstaking, in reality the detail of these regulations only really matter for businesses etc. (not that making bad and unenforceable laws is a good thing) The “rule of six” message is quite a simple one - and most people will follow it after referring to Govt guidance rather than detailed legislation.

    After all, there haven’t yet been any successful prosecutions under the Coronavirus Act through the courts, so one more piece of “unenforceable” legislation won’t make any difference.

    Police will still be breaking up parties/gatherings, issuing fines etc etc and whether the odd person seeks to challenge their authority won’t make a big difference to the overall impact.
    What they’re trying to do is make sure people only meet in controlled environments.

    While in the early stages, it was hospitals, care homes and other workplaces that were spreaders of the disease, now it’s private homes, parties and nightclubs abroad, where the correct hygiene and distancing protocols are not being followed.

    This damn thing isn’t going away, and we are going to have to learn to live with it - yesterday was the record day for case reports, according to the WHO.
    It’s not just night clubs abroad it’s hoards of people gathering on the street hugging and kissing each other and ignoring all rules. Where in Europe are night clubs still open?
    Agreed about all the meeting in the streets. I think there’s a large discrepancy between where nightclubs are allowed to be open, and where they’re actually open.

    This week’s destination of choice for the British youth is apparently Turkey, Because it’s not (yet) on the quarantine list and the resorts are open as usual. No doubt infections there will start to rise in the next few weeks.
    I was wondering where the Clubbers we’re heading It was amazing the number of court cases in Spain as disco owners attempted to overturn the localized introduction of closures. In the end they all failed but people still are holding illegal ‘raves’ and bottle parties but are hit hard when caught.
  • That Geoffrey Cox article exposes the depravity of the Braverman appointment.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 28,100
    MaxPB said:

    Nigelb said:

    alex_ said:

    murali_s said:

    Morning folks!

    This Government are a shower! They act and behave like the moronic mindless lying gangsters that they are.

    On COVID-19 testing, my best friend in South West London could not get a test for love or money for his two kids who are ill with suspected symptoms. Similarly my sister had to get a test privately done for her son. What the f*ck is going on with our world beating test, trace and isolate system?

    Brexit is of course a calamity as I have said from day one and Brexiteers, as exhibited by their recent behaviour, are nothing more than village idiots!

    Have a good day!

    And there are reports coming in from all over the country about how the test centres are half empty and not coming close to testing the volumes of people that they are set up to do.
    It was reported a few days back that the bottleneck is the labs; this would seem to confirm that. So it would seem that the claimed capacity of 250k tests a day is somewhat less than that.
    I think it probably is about 250k but it's in the wrong part of the country. Where there is high incidence we don't have enough capacity but where there isn't a lot we've got spare. I'm sure Dido will fix it, I mean she's got what no experience in chemical logistics and diagnostics, who better?
    I guess that may explain why my test went so smoothly and quickly, collected from my home Saturday lunchtime and a result emailed to me Monday lunchtime.

    Meanwhile Prof Spector has emailed to participants of his monitoring App a copy of his advice to government based on his latest local data. Basically Wales, the South East (ex London) and South West aren’t looking too bad, everywhere else (Midlands, North, Scotland, NI, London) is seeing the start of what could be a marked uptick.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 3,306
    edited September 14
    Nice new look. The comments cease at bottom of first page on on this post and historic posts. Fix in progress?
  • Do 50 MPs really want to lose their careers so early in the Parliament? Press on!

    You have clocked that it's legally experienced Leavers rebelling this time rather than obstructionist Remainers, right?
    Doesn't make them right though. They're playing into the EU's hands if they do rebel.
    They are playing into the hands of every global despot if they don’t. Putin, Xi and co will have their fingers crossed.

  • alex_alex_ Posts: 2,280

    That Geoffrey Cox article exposes the depravity of the Braverman appointment.

    The irony is that had Cox taken a Braverman approach (twisting legal advice to suit the Government) back in December 2018, the May deal could well have gone through without a hitch and things would be looking somewhat different today.
  • Do 50 MPs really want to lose their careers so early in the Parliament? Press on!

    You have clocked that it's legally experienced Leavers rebelling this time rather than obstructionist Remainers, right?
    Doesn't make them right though. They're playing into the EU's hands if they do rebel.
    They are playing into the hands of every global despot if they don’t. Putin, Xi and co will have their fingers crossed.

    By doing the same as Justin Trudeau?

    Don't be preposterous.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 18,109
    alex_ said:

    My mother's a GP. First email through this morning already from patient insisting must be offered a face to face appointment as soon as possible, no phone triaging in advance or anything, because "the Government says so" (as per Daily Telegraph.

    Ignore fact that Government guidance to GPs (and all previous public pronouncements by Hancock on the subject, is for all patients to be triaged, in fact not just for Covid period but this will be the way of the future.

    Personally, I feel the move to remote consultations has gone too far. Good medicine requires face to face care. Nonetheless the geography of waiting areas etc prevents a complete reversal, and patients should have the option of video consultation.

    I haven't seen any analysis of the data from WBTAT* to say where transmission is occurring, but to the best of our knowledge we are not seeing either patients or staff infected under our current covid protocols.

    *world beating test and trace.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 2,280

    alex_ said:

    Nigelb said:

    Alistair said:

    ARM sale to be announced today. Bye bye ARM, only a matter of time until they are shut down.

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/09/nvidia-reportedly-to-acquire-arm-holdings-from-softbank-for-40-billion/

    Can someone please explain why we should care about this?

    ARM was already sold 4 years ago to Softbank, that was controversial at the time but happened. 4 years later its being re-sold. Given the original sale had already happened why should we be bothered now especially? What difference does it make if ARM is owned by Softbank or Nvidia?
    Arm was run at "arms length". Softbank was simply a finance company that was looking to extract profit from them, at their core they were still fundamentally a British company.

    Nvidia, on the other hand, will not have that relationship with ARM. They will be absorbed, the management will change, at a fundamental level Nvidia would benefit from ARM shutting down. They may well have paid all that cash to kill ARM.
    It will also, as pointed out by Herman Hauser, become a US company (for now it remains headquartered in the UK). That will represent a massive transfer of regulatory sovereignty to the US.
    Yep. Arm really matters. The US will really want it in US hands. Not least because it guarantees it can’t fall into Chinese hands. There will be a lot of pressure from the Trump Administration to allow the deal to happen. This is a big call for the government.

    Can they stop it?
    They can deny regulatory approval, yes.

    And is that an absolute ministerial power, or could it get challenged in the courts?

    Maybe it will all rest on the passing of the Internal Market bill...
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 21,362
    alex_ said:

    That Geoffrey Cox article exposes the depravity of the Braverman appointment.

    The irony is that had Cox taken a Braverman approach (twisting legal advice to suit the Government) back in December 2018, the May deal could well have gone through without a hitch and things would be looking somewhat different today.
    This is why the government are worried about losing the vote now, if core Brexit MPs like Cox are voting against it means he will bring a lot more with him. His opinion carries a lot of weight with leavers given it was his legal advice that doomed the May deal they hated so much.
  • ARM being owned by NVIDIA is a complete conflict of interest.

    I am interested to see what Apple do, as they moved away from NVIDIA several years ago and are now seemingly using their chip designs again.
  • The government’s plan was to use the Internal Market Bill to galvanise its base and spark a culture war with Labour, the Lords and the judiciary. It may have miscalculated.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 6,198

    alex_ said:

    Nigelb said:

    Alistair said:

    ARM sale to be announced today. Bye bye ARM, only a matter of time until they are shut down.

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/09/nvidia-reportedly-to-acquire-arm-holdings-from-softbank-for-40-billion/

    Can someone please explain why we should care about this?

    ARM was already sold 4 years ago to Softbank, that was controversial at the time but happened. 4 years later its being re-sold. Given the original sale had already happened why should we be bothered now especially? What difference does it make if ARM is owned by Softbank or Nvidia?
    Arm was run at "arms length". Softbank was simply a finance company that was looking to extract profit from them, at their core they were still fundamentally a British company.

    Nvidia, on the other hand, will not have that relationship with ARM. They will be absorbed, the management will change, at a fundamental level Nvidia would benefit from ARM shutting down. They may well have paid all that cash to kill ARM.
    It will also, as pointed out by Herman Hauser, become a US company (for now it remains headquartered in the UK). That will represent a massive transfer of regulatory sovereignty to the US.
    Yep. Arm really matters. The US will really want it in US hands. Not least because it guarantees it can’t fall into Chinese hands. There will be a lot of pressure from the Trump Administration to allow the deal to happen. This is a big call for the government.

    Can they stop it?
    They can deny regulatory approval, yes.

    Highly unlikely a Government lead by Cummings would intervene, particularly as it is technically a US ownership to US ownership transaction.

    It might be a very different story if the new owners were Chinese, or heaven forbid European.
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