They're not collecting 100% of details, but it was never intended to be able to collect 100% of details, they are collecting over 60% of details though.
Plus its possible via Test and Trace to get in touch with people whose details were originally missing. Lets say you, me and Bob go out and I then get tested positive. I tell the tracers I was out with you and Bob, I don't have your details but do have Bob's and give it to them. Bob gets tested and says he was out with you, he has your details and gives it to them. Their records presumably show that they weren't able to trace you from me, incomplete details, but they've still managed to trace you from Bob instead.
What is the source for your 60%? Its like asking how many illegal immigrants are in the country - how do you quantify a number you don't have?
As for your example its not me and Bob thats the issue. Its all the people who were in the pub we went in - no details taken for anyone.
Labour put the IRA into the Northern Ireland government.
Given that we're all supposed to be friends and forgiveness decades later I'm not sure that many people are going to be overly bothered about some person they've never heard of being in the HoL.
Doesn't detract from the fact that almost anybody else would have been a better choice for the HoL.
Because what the HoL is yet another establishment person.
O/T (but FPTs), it looks like John Boulton - who is not a friend of Trump by any stretch of the imagination - has denied the Atlantic story re Trump’s alleged remarks on veterans.
Quick question for PBers - if this story does turn out to be false, should it be condemned or does the end justify the means in trying to stop Trump being elected?
It's John Bolton (not Boulton) and he said he 'didn't hear' Trump's reported comments disparaging troops but says they're not out of character. Other people did hear the remarks. Trump is also on video disparaging war hero John McCain a fellow Republican who spent time in North Korea as a prisoner of war. You'd have to be a Trump fan to think the story is false.
O/T (but FPTs), it looks like John Boulton - who is not a friend of Trump by any stretch of the imagination - has denied the Atlantic story re Trump’s alleged remarks on veterans.
Quick question for PBers - if this story does turn out to be false, should it be condemned or does the end justify the means in trying to stop Trump being elected?
Do you get this exercised when Trump actually does lie?
O/T (but FPTs), it looks like John Boulton - who is not a friend of Trump by any stretch of the imagination - has denied the Atlantic story re Trump’s alleged remarks on veterans.
Quick question for PBers - if this story does turn out to be false, should it be condemned or does the end justify the means in trying to stop Trump being elected?
It was pretty obvious that it was made up bollocks from the start and I'm amazed anyone is still falling for this stuff.
"Mr Trump said the late Senator McCain was “not a war hero” and that he likes “people who weren’t captured” during his 2015 campaign
'The Atlantic' claims Mr Trump told senior staff: “We’re not going to support that loser’s funeral.”
Reportedly three sources for The Atlantic said upon seeing flags lowered to half-staff, Mr Trump added: “What the f*k are we doing that for? Guy was a f***g loser.”
Mr McCain, who was one of the few major Republican figures who refused to back Mr Trump when he was elected, was captured by opposition forces in the Vietnam War. Mr Trump received five deferments from a military draft during the Vietnam War. Four of these deferments were due to academic reasons and one was for bone spurs which is a calcium build-up in the heels.
Who are these sources? Are they real people?
There's so much made up stuff these days, like the days of headlines claiming that Trump had said George Floyd was praising the US economy, when a quick look at the transcript of his speech showed nothing of the sort.
Labour put the IRA into the Northern Ireland government.
Given that we're all supposed to be friends and forgiveness decades later I'm not sure that many people are going to be overly bothered about some person they've never heard of being in the HoL.
Doesn't detract from the fact that almost anybody else would have been a better choice for the HoL.
Because what the HoL is yet another establishment person.
O/T (but FPTs), it looks like John Boulton - who is not a friend of Trump by any stretch of the imagination - has denied the Atlantic story re Trump’s alleged remarks on veterans.
Quick question for PBers - if this story does turn out to be false, should it be condemned or does the end justify the means in trying to stop Trump being elected?
It was pretty obvious that it was made up bollocks from the start and I'm amazed anyone is still falling for this stuff.
"Mr Trump said the late Senator McCain was “not a war hero” and that he likes “people who weren’t captured” during his 2015 campaign
'The Atlantic' claims Mr Trump told senior staff: “We’re not going to support that loser’s funeral.”
Reportedly three sources for The Atlantic said upon seeing flags lowered to half-staff, Mr Trump added: “What the f*k are we doing that for? Guy was a f***g loser.”
Mr McCain, who was one of the few major Republican figures who refused to back Mr Trump when he was elected, was captured by opposition forces in the Vietnam War. Mr Trump received five deferments from a military draft during the Vietnam War. Four of these deferments were due to academic reasons and one was for bone spurs which is a calcium build-up in the heels.
Who are these sources? Are they real people?
There's so much made up stuff these days, like the days of headlines claiming that Trump had said George Floyd was praising the US economy, when a quick look at the transcript of his speech showed nothing of the sort.
? Don't remember that, do remember people grimacing/guffawing/looking incredulous at the prickishly dumb thing he did say.
'Hopefully George is looking down right now and saying this is a great thing that's happening for our country. It's a great day for him. It's a great day for everybody. This is a great day for everybody.'
Why are Tories suddenly so interested in State Aid? Seems mighty suspicious to me. The party hasn't given a f about it since Heseltine was active.
Because "state aid" is a misnomer.
Under the EU's proposal actions we took to make ourselves more competitive, including changes of law and tax cuts, could be counted as "state aid". They're not actually arguing about state aid as it normally is considered to mean - the UK has already offered rules against that which are standard in normal FTAs eg CETA, but the EU is wanting to go miles above and beyond that.
Trouble is that none of us know what the UK plans, because they're not saying. Freedom to do whatever is right for us is a slogan, not a plan.
The James Forsythe piece on Friday - that the government wants the freedom to subsidise a tech sector into being - probably won't work, but is as plausible a steer on the government's thinking as any.
Can't imagine libertarians liking it. Still, we'll be here for you when Boris let's you down.
O/T (but FPTs), it looks like John Boulton - who is not a friend of Trump by any stretch of the imagination - has denied the Atlantic story re Trump’s alleged remarks on veterans.
Quick question for PBers - if this story does turn out to be false, should it be condemned or does the end justify the means in trying to stop Trump being elected?
It was pretty obvious that it was made up bollocks from the start and I'm amazed anyone is still falling for this stuff.
"Mr Trump said the late Senator McCain was “not a war hero” and that he likes “people who weren’t captured” during his 2015 campaign
'The Atlantic' claims Mr Trump told senior staff: “We’re not going to support that loser’s funeral.”
Reportedly three sources for The Atlantic said upon seeing flags lowered to half-staff, Mr Trump added: “What the f*k are we doing that for? Guy was a f***g loser.”
Mr McCain, who was one of the few major Republican figures who refused to back Mr Trump when he was elected, was captured by opposition forces in the Vietnam War. Mr Trump received five deferments from a military draft during the Vietnam War. Four of these deferments were due to academic reasons and one was for bone spurs which is a calcium build-up in the heels.
Who are these sources? Are they real people?
There's so much made up stuff these days, like the days of headlines claiming that Trump had said George Floyd was praising the US economy, when a quick look at the transcript of his speech showed nothing of the sort.
Most of the made up stuff originates from Trump. Feel free to believe what he says, although you may have problems when he contradicts himself as he frequently does.
O/T (but FPTs), it looks like John Boulton - who is not a friend of Trump by any stretch of the imagination - has denied the Atlantic story re Trump’s alleged remarks on veterans.
Quick question for PBers - if this story does turn out to be false, should it be condemned or does the end justify the means in trying to stop Trump being elected?
It was pretty obvious that it was made up bollocks from the start and I'm amazed anyone is still falling for this stuff.
"Mr Trump said the late Senator McCain was “not a war hero” and that he likes “people who weren’t captured” during his 2015 campaign
'The Atlantic' claims Mr Trump told senior staff: “We’re not going to support that loser’s funeral.”
Reportedly three sources for The Atlantic said upon seeing flags lowered to half-staff, Mr Trump added: “What the f*k are we doing that for? Guy was a f***g loser.”
Mr McCain, who was one of the few major Republican figures who refused to back Mr Trump when he was elected, was captured by opposition forces in the Vietnam War. Mr Trump received five deferments from a military draft during the Vietnam War. Four of these deferments were due to academic reasons and one was for bone spurs which is a calcium build-up in the heels.
Who are these sources? Are they real people?
There's so much made up stuff these days, like the days of headlines claiming that Trump had said George Floyd was praising the US economy, when a quick look at the transcript of his speech showed nothing of the sort.
Trump:
Hopefully George is looking down right now and saying, “This is a great thing that’s happening for our country.” This is a great day for him.
If somehow George was looking down that day and talking I am quite confident he was extremely unlikely to think it a great day. The transcript confirms Trump as completely mad and insensitive.
O/T (but FPTs), it looks like John Boulton - who is not a friend of Trump by any stretch of the imagination - has denied the Atlantic story re Trump’s alleged remarks on veterans.
Quick question for PBers - if this story does turn out to be false, should it be condemned or does the end justify the means in trying to stop Trump being elected?
Do you get this exercised when Trump actually does lie?
If Trump filled a stadium with Democrats and did to them what Pinochet did to Allende and his supporters there are a couple of posters on here who could still manage to justify it.
O/T (but FPTs), it looks like John Boulton - who is not a friend of Trump by any stretch of the imagination - has denied the Atlantic story re Trump’s alleged remarks on veterans.
Quick question for PBers - if this story does turn out to be false, should it be condemned or does the end justify the means in trying to stop Trump being elected?
It was pretty obvious that it was made up bollocks from the start and I'm amazed anyone is still falling for this stuff.
"Mr Trump said the late Senator McCain was “not a war hero” and that he likes “people who weren’t captured” during his 2015 campaign
'The Atlantic' claims Mr Trump told senior staff: “We’re not going to support that loser’s funeral.”
Reportedly three sources for The Atlantic said upon seeing flags lowered to half-staff, Mr Trump added: “What the f*k are we doing that for? Guy was a f***g loser.”
Mr McCain, who was one of the few major Republican figures who refused to back Mr Trump when he was elected, was captured by opposition forces in the Vietnam War. Mr Trump received five deferments from a military draft during the Vietnam War. Four of these deferments were due to academic reasons and one was for bone spurs which is a calcium build-up in the heels.
Who are these sources? Are they real people?
There's so much made up stuff these days, like the days of headlines claiming that Trump had said George Floyd was praising the US economy, when a quick look at the transcript of his speech showed nothing of the sort.
Most of the made up stuff originates from Trump. Feel free to believe what he says, although you may have problems when he contradicts himself as he frequently does.
I doubt that will cause problems for Trump believers, any more than the contradictions in the bible or quran do for the religious.
Labour put the IRA into the Northern Ireland government.
Given that we're all supposed to be friends and forgiveness decades later I'm not sure that many people are going to be overly bothered about some person they've never heard of being in the HoL.
Doesn't detract from the fact that almost anybody else would have been a better choice for the HoL.
Because what the HoL is yet another establishment person.
Could you translate that to English?
The HoL is filled with establishment people.
A bit of variety might be a good thing.
Thanks. We've got enough Climate Change Deniers in the HoL already (e.g. Lord Lawson) and we don't need anybody who excuses child pornography. I'm sure you could find a non-establishment person without those views.
O/T (but FPTs), it looks like John Boulton - who is not a friend of Trump by any stretch of the imagination - has denied the Atlantic story re Trump’s alleged remarks on veterans.
Quick question for PBers - if this story does turn out to be false, should it be condemned or does the end justify the means in trying to stop Trump being elected?
It was pretty obvious that it was made up bollocks from the start and I'm amazed anyone is still falling for this stuff.
"Mr Trump said the late Senator McCain was “not a war hero” and that he likes “people who weren’t captured” during his 2015 campaign
'The Atlantic' claims Mr Trump told senior staff: “We’re not going to support that loser’s funeral.”
Reportedly three sources for The Atlantic said upon seeing flags lowered to half-staff, Mr Trump added: “What the f*k are we doing that for? Guy was a f***g loser.”
Mr McCain, who was one of the few major Republican figures who refused to back Mr Trump when he was elected, was captured by opposition forces in the Vietnam War. Mr Trump received five deferments from a military draft during the Vietnam War. Four of these deferments were due to academic reasons and one was for bone spurs which is a calcium build-up in the heels.
Who are these sources? Are they real people?
There's so much made up stuff these days, like the days of headlines claiming that Trump had said George Floyd was praising the US economy, when a quick look at the transcript of his speech showed nothing of the sort.
Trump:
Hopefully George is looking down right now and saying, “This is a great thing that’s happening for our country.” This is a great day for him.
If somehow George was looking down that day and talking I am quite confident he was extremely unlikely to think it a great day. The transcript confirms Trump as completely mad and insensitive.
Yes he says and does plenty of stupid stuff but also the media make up a load of stuff as well.
It means you can't believe 100% of what you read, including unnamed sources for a magazine whose owner is a massive donor to Biden's election campaign.
They're not collecting 100% of details, but it was never intended to be able to collect 100% of details, they are collecting over 60% of details though.
Plus its possible via Test and Trace to get in touch with people whose details were originally missing. Lets say you, me and Bob go out and I then get tested positive. I tell the tracers I was out with you and Bob, I don't have your details but do have Bob's and give it to them. Bob gets tested and says he was out with you, he has your details and gives it to them. Their records presumably show that they weren't able to trace you from me, incomplete details, but they've still managed to trace you from Bob instead.
What is the source for your 60%? Its like asking how many illegal immigrants are in the country - how do you quantify a number you don't have?
As for your example its not me and Bob thats the issue. Its all the people who were in the pub we went in - no details taken for anyone.
Malmesbury is my source. He has posted his sources.
O/T (but FPTs), it looks like John Boulton - who is not a friend of Trump by any stretch of the imagination - has denied the Atlantic story re Trump’s alleged remarks on veterans.
Quick question for PBers - if this story does turn out to be false, should it be condemned or does the end justify the means in trying to stop Trump being elected?
It was pretty obvious that it was made up bollocks from the start and I'm amazed anyone is still falling for this stuff.
"Mr Trump said the late Senator McCain was “not a war hero” and that he likes “people who weren’t captured” during his 2015 campaign
'The Atlantic' claims Mr Trump told senior staff: “We’re not going to support that loser’s funeral.”
Reportedly three sources for The Atlantic said upon seeing flags lowered to half-staff, Mr Trump added: “What the f*k are we doing that for? Guy was a f***g loser.”
Mr McCain, who was one of the few major Republican figures who refused to back Mr Trump when he was elected, was captured by opposition forces in the Vietnam War. Mr Trump received five deferments from a military draft during the Vietnam War. Four of these deferments were due to academic reasons and one was for bone spurs which is a calcium build-up in the heels.
Who are these sources? Are they real people?
There's so much made up stuff these days, like the days of headlines claiming that Trump had said George Floyd was praising the US economy, when a quick look at the transcript of his speech showed nothing of the sort.
Most of the made up stuff originates from Trump. Feel free to believe what he says, although you may have problems when he contradicts himself as he frequently does.
I doubt that will cause problems for Trump believers, any more than the contradictions in the bible or quran do for the religious.
Agreed, that's why I said he was free to believe what Trump says.
O/T (but FPTs), it looks like John Boulton - who is not a friend of Trump by any stretch of the imagination - has denied the Atlantic story re Trump’s alleged remarks on veterans.
Quick question for PBers - if this story does turn out to be false, should it be condemned or does the end justify the means in trying to stop Trump being elected?
It was pretty obvious that it was made up bollocks from the start and I'm amazed anyone is still falling for this stuff.
"Mr Trump said the late Senator McCain was “not a war hero” and that he likes “people who weren’t captured” during his 2015 campaign
'The Atlantic' claims Mr Trump told senior staff: “We’re not going to support that loser’s funeral.”
Reportedly three sources for The Atlantic said upon seeing flags lowered to half-staff, Mr Trump added: “What the f*k are we doing that for? Guy was a f***g loser.”
Mr McCain, who was one of the few major Republican figures who refused to back Mr Trump when he was elected, was captured by opposition forces in the Vietnam War. Mr Trump received five deferments from a military draft during the Vietnam War. Four of these deferments were due to academic reasons and one was for bone spurs which is a calcium build-up in the heels.
Who are these sources? Are they real people?
There's so much made up stuff these days, like the days of headlines claiming that Trump had said George Floyd was praising the US economy, when a quick look at the transcript of his speech showed nothing of the sort.
Most of the made up stuff originates from Trump. Feel free to believe what he says, although you may have problems when he contradicts himself as he frequently does.
I doubt that will cause problems for Trump believers, any more than the contradictions in the bible or quran do for the religious.
Agreed, that's why I said he was free to believe what Trump says.
Geez you can't point out inaccuracies in the media about Trump without being branded a "Trump believer" and people going into Trump derangement mode.
You can simultaneously believe he's a gobshite, but also that the media exaggerate and make stuff up about him too.
This piece of nuance is obviously lost on some people.
Labour put the IRA into the Northern Ireland government.
Given that we're all supposed to be friends and forgiveness decades later I'm not sure that many people are going to be overly bothered about some person they've never heard of being in the HoL.
Doesn't detract from the fact that almost anybody else would have been a better choice for the HoL.
Because what the HoL is yet another establishment person.
Could you translate that to English?
The HoL is filled with establishment people.
A bit of variety might be a good thing.
Thanks. We've got enough Climate Change Deniers in the HoL already (e.g. Lord Lawson) and we don't need anybody who excuses child pornography. I'm sure you could find a non-establishment person without those views.
But the complaining has nothing to do with that but because she was BXP.
And by putting such an 'alternative' individual in the HoL the overton window has been shifted.
Why are Tories suddenly so interested in State Aid? Seems mighty suspicious to me. The party hasn't given a f about it since Heseltine was active.
Because "state aid" is a misnomer.
Under the EU's proposal actions we took to make ourselves more competitive, including changes of law and tax cuts, could be counted as "state aid". They're not actually arguing about state aid as it normally is considered to mean - the UK has already offered rules against that which are standard in normal FTAs eg CETA, but the EU is wanting to go miles above and beyond that.
Trouble is that none of us know what the UK plans, because they're not saying. Freedom to do whatever is right for us is a slogan, not a plan.
The James Forsythe piece on Friday - that the government wants the freedom to subsidise a tech sector into being - probably won't work, but is as plausible a steer on the government's thinking as any.
Can't imagine libertarians liking it. Still, we'll be here for you when Boris let's you down.
LPF rules touch on everything. The EU is disingenuously framing this as the UK wanting to give away massive subsidies to industry but it's never going to be on the table. It's about preventing the UK from creating a competitive tax and regulatory environment to attract business and investment. The EU wants a veto on UK legislation which is completely unacceptable.
Saw the Sky News interview with Richard Leonard: tragic.
‘Time is up for Richard Leonard with Labour on a road to nowhere‘ - It was a dizzying cocktail of defiance and delusion
It’s not just Labour colleagues who believe Leonard must go. Senior members of the Conservative party dearly want to see him replaced, even – no, especially – if that means Labour becomes a strong political force once more.
As First Minister Nicola Sturgeon continues to demand from the UK Government the right to hold a second independence referendum, Conservative strategists believe the Union will only survive if there’s a strong Scottish Labour Party playing its part in the battle.
O/T (but FPTs), it looks like John Boulton - who is not a friend of Trump by any stretch of the imagination - has denied the Atlantic story re Trump’s alleged remarks on veterans.
Quick question for PBers - if this story does turn out to be false, should it be condemned or does the end justify the means in trying to stop Trump being elected?
Do you get this exercised when Trump actually does lie?
If Trump filled a stadium with Democrats and did to them what Pinochet did to Allende and his supporters there are a couple of posters on here who could still manage to justify it.
O/T (but FPTs), it looks like John Boulton - who is not a friend of Trump by any stretch of the imagination - has denied the Atlantic story re Trump’s alleged remarks on veterans.
Quick question for PBers - if this story does turn out to be false, should it be condemned or does the end justify the means in trying to stop Trump being elected?
Do you get this exercised when Trump actually does lie?
If Trump filled a stadium with Democrats and did to them what Pinochet did to Allende and his supporters there are a couple of posters on here who could still manage to justify it.
Lolz people are completely deranged when it comes to Trump.
O/T (but FPTs), it looks like John Boulton - who is not a friend of Trump by any stretch of the imagination - has denied the Atlantic story re Trump’s alleged remarks on veterans.
Quick question for PBers - if this story does turn out to be false, should it be condemned or does the end justify the means in trying to stop Trump being elected?
It was pretty obvious that it was made up bollocks from the start and I'm amazed anyone is still falling for this stuff.
"Mr Trump said the late Senator McCain was “not a war hero” and that he likes “people who weren’t captured” during his 2015 campaign
'The Atlantic' claims Mr Trump told senior staff: “We’re not going to support that loser’s funeral.”
Reportedly three sources for The Atlantic said upon seeing flags lowered to half-staff, Mr Trump added: “What the f*k are we doing that for? Guy was a f***g loser.”
Mr McCain, who was one of the few major Republican figures who refused to back Mr Trump when he was elected, was captured by opposition forces in the Vietnam War. Mr Trump received five deferments from a military draft during the Vietnam War. Four of these deferments were due to academic reasons and one was for bone spurs which is a calcium build-up in the heels.
Who are these sources? Are they real people?
There's so much made up stuff these days, like the days of headlines claiming that Trump had said George Floyd was praising the US economy, when a quick look at the transcript of his speech showed nothing of the sort.
Trump:
Hopefully George is looking down right now and saying, “This is a great thing that’s happening for our country.” This is a great day for him.
If somehow George was looking down that day and talking I am quite confident he was extremely unlikely to think it a great day. The transcript confirms Trump as completely mad and insensitive.
Yes he says and does plenty of stupid stuff but also the media make up a load of stuff as well.
It means you can't believe 100% of what you read, including unnamed sources for a magazine whose owner is a massive donor to Biden's election campaign.
It would be a complete waste of mental effort to consider the veracity of the latest news stories to judge Trump. His stream of offensive and mad drivel allows us to make our minds up directly.
O/T (but FPTs), it looks like John Boulton - who is not a friend of Trump by any stretch of the imagination - has denied the Atlantic story re Trump’s alleged remarks on veterans.
Quick question for PBers - if this story does turn out to be false, should it be condemned or does the end justify the means in trying to stop Trump being elected?
It was pretty obvious that it was made up bollocks from the start and I'm amazed anyone is still falling for this stuff.
"Mr Trump said the late Senator McCain was “not a war hero” and that he likes “people who weren’t captured” during his 2015 campaign
'The Atlantic' claims Mr Trump told senior staff: “We’re not going to support that loser’s funeral.”
Reportedly three sources for The Atlantic said upon seeing flags lowered to half-staff, Mr Trump added: “What the f*k are we doing that for? Guy was a f***g loser.”
Mr McCain, who was one of the few major Republican figures who refused to back Mr Trump when he was elected, was captured by opposition forces in the Vietnam War. Mr Trump received five deferments from a military draft during the Vietnam War. Four of these deferments were due to academic reasons and one was for bone spurs which is a calcium build-up in the heels.
Who are these sources? Are they real people?
There's so much made up stuff these days, like the days of headlines claiming that Trump had said George Floyd was praising the US economy, when a quick look at the transcript of his speech showed nothing of the sort.
Trump:
Hopefully George is looking down right now and saying, “This is a great thing that’s happening for our country.” This is a great day for him.
If somehow George was looking down that day and talking I am quite confident he was extremely unlikely to think it a great day. The transcript confirms Trump as completely mad and insensitive.
Yes he says and does plenty of stupid stuff but also the media make up a load of stuff as well.
It means you can't believe 100% of what you read, including unnamed sources for a magazine whose owner is a massive donor to Biden's election campaign.
It would be a complete waste of mental effort to consider the veracity of the latest news stories to judge Trump. His stream of offensive and mad drivel allows us to make our minds up directly.
Agreed. Whether stories are true or not is unimportant when making your mind up about something.
My wife has friends at the college she used to work at. They are still doing all of their teaching remotely but have suffered isolation as well. Their solution is innovative. 3 or 4 of them get together at each other's houses each work day taking it in turn to host so that they can have a shared work environment WFH.
This wouldn't work for a lot of people but it is certainly working for them.
They can only do that outside, technically only 2 separate households can meet still inside at each others homes
Nobody cares.
Well they should do if we are to keep new cases down
I don’t know a single person who is bothering with the “only 2 separate households can meet inside a home”. For one it doesn’t make any sense considering you can go to a pub with 50 households, or an office with even more.
Well I certainly am, as is my partner and our famililies.
You can only go to a pub with social distancing maintained and enforced with tables clearly divided and 2 metres away from each other and most pub dining and drinking is taking place outside with foods ordered on apps, not inside. All pub goers have to give their details for track and trace too.
Most office workers are still wfh or at least not going in 5 days a week and offices have to ensure social distancing measures are in place too
Fascinating. Doesn’t change anything.
Also a load of b*llocks. Most pub dining and drinking is certainly not taking place outside.
How many pubs have you been to?
There’s also zero enforcement of track and trace. In every shop, cafe, pub, and restaurant I’ve been to its been entirely optional. I’ve forgotten to do it on a number of occasions, and I’m sure many other people have.
Wrong, I have been to a pub six times since lockdown, twice in or near Oxford and once near Epping and twice in Dorset and once in Fareham.
In Oxford and Fareham everyone was drinking outside, barely anyone inside, in Epping and Dorset you were only allowed to eat outside, there were no tables set up inside.
In every pub there was track and trace details required too before you went to your table.
In shops it is not needed but you have to wear a mask.
Does not say much about your area of Newcastle if there is such blatant disregard for the rules and the police should take action on those establishments breaching them
Not everyone in the country lives in your lovely South Eastern climate.
How many restaurants in Leeds, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle etc do you think are seating punters outside?
Norwegians for example live in a much colder climate even than those in the North of England and are able to respect the rules.
Plus have pubs in Newcastle and Manchester not heard of outdoor heaters? Marquees and gazebos with open sides can protect against the rain
You’re talking about pubs. I’m talking about restaurants. How many restaurants do you know that have huge outdoor space available for gazebos, etc? Very few. Even in Norway.
Your middle-class leafy Epping perspective with your country pubs with huge car parks is clouding your ability to understand the rest of the country.
I’ve also discussed McDonalds. Not exactly a “dodgy operator”, who is not sitting punters outside, and not enforcing track and trace in my experience. It is optional, in the sense that you have to go out of your way to do it, rather than be refused entry if you do not.. Used by millions.
City Restaurants can still do takeaways even if they do not have much outdoor space but many restaurants do have tables outside.
McDonalds is mainly takeaway and indoor tables as with inner city restaurants should be socially distanced and at least 1.5 metres apart.
The police should take action if McDonalds are seating customers for eating and not pursuing track and trace
Sorry mate but you have no idea what you’re talking about.
City Restaurants are alive and kicking again - mainly eat in, not takeaways, and no outdoor seating.
McDonalds, Costa, and many other chains simply ask you to fill in your details. In my experience nobody checks if you have. Nobody asks you to. There are simply signs on the tables.
The original point to all of this was that there’s no logical reason why you can sit 1.5m away from multiple households in an underground restaurant, like I was in central Newcastle a few days ago, but can’t sit 1.5m away from multiple people in my own home.
Hence why it is being ignored. And it is being ignored.
Even the “Boris has killed 60k people” frothers who I know, who work for the NHS, etc, do not care.
They may well be but they still have to comply with the rules, that means tables at least 1.5m apart and track and trace.
If they are not then they are not only increasing the risk of more cases spreading but they are also breaking the law and the police should get involved.
This comment isn't just delusional, its completely bonkers. "They still have to comply with the rules". No, they don't. Because who is going to come round and check? You?
Just because this week's version of the covid rules was issued by your party doesn't mean that everyone else is doffing their cap the way you do. Significant numbers enter the UK every day without completing track and trace forms. Nobody asks, nobody checks. Which means no way to ensure self-isolation compliance. Significant numbers are going into pubs and restaurants and not completing track and trace forms. Nobody asks, nobody checks.
Here is reality. Our "world beating" track and trace system barely exists on the ground. And the woman who presided over this fiasco has now been put in charge of public health. She's useless, people will die because of it, but she's the right kind of Tory so who cares?
Hmmm
The ONS infection survey says that the infection rate is stable as of the 25 August. 2000 cases per day.
If that is correct, the case numbers mean that since then, we have gone from detecting 40% of all cases to 60%.
Something is causing an increased detection rate.
More tests? It isn't Test and Trace. They can't Test and Trace people whose details haven't been collected.
O/T (but FPTs), it looks like John Boulton - who is not a friend of Trump by any stretch of the imagination - has denied the Atlantic story re Trump’s alleged remarks on veterans.
Quick question for PBers - if this story does turn out to be false, should it be condemned or does the end justify the means in trying to stop Trump being elected?
It was pretty obvious that it was made up bollocks from the start and I'm amazed anyone is still falling for this stuff.
"Mr Trump said the late Senator McCain was “not a war hero” and that he likes “people who weren’t captured” during his 2015 campaign
'The Atlantic' claims Mr Trump told senior staff: “We’re not going to support that loser’s funeral.”
Reportedly three sources for The Atlantic said upon seeing flags lowered to half-staff, Mr Trump added: “What the f*k are we doing that for? Guy was a f***g loser.”
Mr McCain, who was one of the few major Republican figures who refused to back Mr Trump when he was elected, was captured by opposition forces in the Vietnam War. Mr Trump received five deferments from a military draft during the Vietnam War. Four of these deferments were due to academic reasons and one was for bone spurs which is a calcium build-up in the heels.
Who are these sources? Are they real people?
There's so much made up stuff these days, like the days of headlines claiming that Trump had said George Floyd was praising the US economy, when a quick look at the transcript of his speech showed nothing of the sort.
Trump:
Hopefully George is looking down right now and saying, “This is a great thing that’s happening for our country.” This is a great day for him.
If somehow George was looking down that day and talking I am quite confident he was extremely unlikely to think it a great day. The transcript confirms Trump as completely mad and insensitive.
Yes he says and does plenty of stupid stuff but also the media make up a load of stuff as well.
It means you can't believe 100% of what you read, including unnamed sources for a magazine whose owner is a massive donor to Biden's election campaign.
It would be a complete waste of mental effort to consider the veracity of the latest news stories to judge Trump. His stream of offensive and mad drivel allows us to make our minds up directly.
Agreed. Whether stories are true or not is unimportant when making your mind up about something.
Nurse.
Mmm. Absolutely vital to know whether 99.9% or 99.95% is true.
O/T (but FPTs), it looks like John Boulton - who is not a friend of Trump by any stretch of the imagination - has denied the Atlantic story re Trump’s alleged remarks on veterans.
Quick question for PBers - if this story does turn out to be false, should it be condemned or does the end justify the means in trying to stop Trump being elected?
It was pretty obvious that it was made up bollocks from the start and I'm amazed anyone is still falling for this stuff.
"Mr Trump said the late Senator McCain was “not a war hero” and that he likes “people who weren’t captured” during his 2015 campaign
'The Atlantic' claims Mr Trump told senior staff: “We’re not going to support that loser’s funeral.”
Reportedly three sources for The Atlantic said upon seeing flags lowered to half-staff, Mr Trump added: “What the f*k are we doing that for? Guy was a f***g loser.”
Mr McCain, who was one of the few major Republican figures who refused to back Mr Trump when he was elected, was captured by opposition forces in the Vietnam War. Mr Trump received five deferments from a military draft during the Vietnam War. Four of these deferments were due to academic reasons and one was for bone spurs which is a calcium build-up in the heels.
Who are these sources? Are they real people?
There's so much made up stuff these days, like the days of headlines claiming that Trump had said George Floyd was praising the US economy, when a quick look at the transcript of his speech showed nothing of the sort.
Trump:
Hopefully George is looking down right now and saying, “This is a great thing that’s happening for our country.” This is a great day for him.
If somehow George was looking down that day and talking I am quite confident he was extremely unlikely to think it a great day. The transcript confirms Trump as completely mad and insensitive.
Yes he says and does plenty of stupid stuff but also the media make up a load of stuff as well.
It means you can't believe 100% of what you read, including unnamed sources for a magazine whose owner is a massive donor to Biden's election campaign.
It would be a complete waste of mental effort to consider the veracity of the latest news stories to judge Trump. His stream of offensive and mad drivel allows us to make our minds up directly.
Agreed. Whether stories are true or not is unimportant when making your mind up about something.
Nurse.
I can get information first hand and unfiltered because he is president of the US and provides a daily unfiltered commentary on his thoughts. Why would I need a journalist to develop an opinion on him?
O/T (but FPTs), it looks like John Boulton - who is not a friend of Trump by any stretch of the imagination - has denied the Atlantic story re Trump’s alleged remarks on veterans.
Quick question for PBers - if this story does turn out to be false, should it be condemned or does the end justify the means in trying to stop Trump being elected?
Do you get this exercised when Trump actually does lie?
If Trump filled a stadium with Democrats and did to them what Pinochet did to Allende and his supporters there are a couple of posters on here who could still manage to justify it.
Lolz people are completely deranged when it comes to Trump.
My point wasn't so much about Trump, but about his PB apologists.
O/T (but FPTs), it looks like John Boulton - who is not a friend of Trump by any stretch of the imagination - has denied the Atlantic story re Trump’s alleged remarks on veterans.
Quick question for PBers - if this story does turn out to be false, should it be condemned or does the end justify the means in trying to stop Trump being elected?
It was pretty obvious that it was made up bollocks from the start and I'm amazed anyone is still falling for this stuff.
"Mr Trump said the late Senator McCain was “not a war hero” and that he likes “people who weren’t captured” during his 2015 campaign
'The Atlantic' claims Mr Trump told senior staff: “We’re not going to support that loser’s funeral.”
Reportedly three sources for The Atlantic said upon seeing flags lowered to half-staff, Mr Trump added: “What the f*k are we doing that for? Guy was a f***g loser.”
Mr McCain, who was one of the few major Republican figures who refused to back Mr Trump when he was elected, was captured by opposition forces in the Vietnam War. Mr Trump received five deferments from a military draft during the Vietnam War. Four of these deferments were due to academic reasons and one was for bone spurs which is a calcium build-up in the heels.
Who are these sources? Are they real people?
There's so much made up stuff these days, like the days of headlines claiming that Trump had said George Floyd was praising the US economy, when a quick look at the transcript of his speech showed nothing of the sort.
Trump:
Hopefully George is looking down right now and saying, “This is a great thing that’s happening for our country.” This is a great day for him.
If somehow George was looking down that day and talking I am quite confident he was extremely unlikely to think it a great day. The transcript confirms Trump as completely mad and insensitive.
Yes he says and does plenty of stupid stuff but also the media make up a load of stuff as well.
It means you can't believe 100% of what you read, including unnamed sources for a magazine whose owner is a massive donor to Biden's election campaign.
It would be a complete waste of mental effort to consider the veracity of the latest news stories to judge Trump. His stream of offensive and mad drivel allows us to make our minds up directly.
Agreed. Whether stories are true or not is unimportant when making your mind up about something.
Nurse.
Mmm. Absolutely vital to know whether 99.9% or 99.95% is true.
Sure these stories are made up, but the ones I heard earlier are definitely true.
O/T (but FPTs), it looks like John Boulton - who is not a friend of Trump by any stretch of the imagination - has denied the Atlantic story re Trump’s alleged remarks on veterans.
Quick question for PBers - if this story does turn out to be false, should it be condemned or does the end justify the means in trying to stop Trump being elected?
Do you get this exercised when Trump actually does lie?
If Trump filled a stadium with Democrats and did to them what Pinochet did to Allende and his supporters there are a couple of posters on here who could still manage to justify it.
Saw the Sky News interview with Richard Leonard: tragic.
‘Time is up for Richard Leonard with Labour on a road to nowhere‘ - It was a dizzying cocktail of defiance and delusion
It’s not just Labour colleagues who believe Leonard must go. Senior members of the Conservative party dearly want to see him replaced, even – no, especially – if that means Labour becomes a strong political force once more.
As First Minister Nicola Sturgeon continues to demand from the UK Government the right to hold a second independence referendum, Conservative strategists believe the Union will only survive if there’s a strong Scottish Labour Party playing its part in the battle.
Saw the Sky News interview with Richard Leonard: tragic.
‘Time is up for Richard Leonard with Labour on a road to nowhere‘ - It was a dizzying cocktail of defiance and delusion
It’s not just Labour colleagues who believe Leonard must go. Senior members of the Conservative party dearly want to see him replaced, even – no, especially – if that means Labour becomes a strong political force once more.
As First Minister Nicola Sturgeon continues to demand from the UK Government the right to hold a second independence referendum, Conservative strategists believe the Union will only survive if there’s a strong Scottish Labour Party playing its part in the battle.
The Tories are realising they once again need their SLAB penal battalions to skin for the Unionist tulchan coos and send over No Man's Land, as in 2014, if that isn't mixing metaphors too much.
O/T (but FPTs), it looks like John Boulton - who is not a friend of Trump by any stretch of the imagination - has denied the Atlantic story re Trump’s alleged remarks on veterans.
Quick question for PBers - if this story does turn out to be false, should it be condemned or does the end justify the means in trying to stop Trump being elected?
Do you get this exercised when Trump actually does lie?
If Trump filled a stadium with Democrats and did to them what Pinochet did to Allende and his supporters there are a couple of posters on here who could still manage to justify it.
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As for your example its not me and Bob thats the issue. Its all the people who were in the pub we went in - no details taken for anyone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lviv
There's so much made up stuff these days, like the days of headlines claiming that Trump had said George Floyd was praising the US economy, when a quick look at the transcript of his speech showed nothing of the sort.
A bit of variety might be a good thing.
Don't remember that, do remember people grimacing/guffawing/looking incredulous at the prickishly dumb thing he did say.
'Hopefully George is looking down right now and saying this is a great thing that's happening for our country. It's a great day for him. It's a great day for everybody. This is a great day for everybody.'
The James Forsythe piece on Friday - that the government wants the freedom to subsidise a tech sector into being - probably won't work, but is as plausible a steer on the government's thinking as any.
Can't imagine libertarians liking it. Still, we'll be here for you when Boris let's you down.
Feel free to believe what he says, although you may have problems when he contradicts himself as he frequently does.
Hopefully George is looking down right now and saying, “This is a great thing that’s happening for our country.” This is a great day for him.
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https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-press-conference-transcript-on-jobs-report
If somehow George was looking down that day and talking I am quite confident he was extremely unlikely to think it a great day. The transcript confirms Trump as completely mad and insensitive.
We've got enough Climate Change Deniers in the HoL already (e.g. Lord Lawson) and we don't need anybody who excuses child pornography.
I'm sure you could find a non-establishment person without those views.
NEW THREAD
It means you can't believe 100% of what you read, including unnamed sources for a magazine whose owner is a massive donor to Biden's election campaign.
Under UNT, Львів is transliterated as Lviv.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lviv
You can simultaneously believe he's a gobshite, but also that the media exaggerate and make stuff up about him too.
This piece of nuance is obviously lost on some people.
And by putting such an 'alternative' individual in the HoL the overton window has been shifted.
Now lots of BXP will look 'mainstream'.
‘Time is up for Richard Leonard with Labour on a road to nowhere‘
- It was a dizzying cocktail of defiance and delusion
It’s not just Labour colleagues who believe Leonard must go. Senior members of the Conservative party dearly want to see him replaced, even – no, especially – if that means Labour becomes a strong political force once more.
As First Minister Nicola Sturgeon continues to demand from the UK Government the right to hold a second independence referendum, Conservative strategists believe the Union will only survive if there’s a strong Scottish Labour Party playing its part in the battle.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/time-richard-leonard-labour-road-nowhere-euan-mccolm-2962768?amp
Nurse.
31,888 close contacts identified. 69.4% of those asked to self isolate.
That seems really poor to me.