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  • Scott_xP said:

    if she wanted a referendum she'd have to agree to negotiate the terms of how it would work upfront first, or not get one.

    Nope

    She would dismiss it as Project Fear, and none of the Brexiteers could deny her
    How could she do that if she was required to agree the terms of a divorce deal before being given a vote?
    This tactic is an attempt to split the SNP into those who accept the deal and those who call it a sell out. The Conservatives have failed to notice that it's possible to survive such a split with those who call the deal a sell out on top.
    It’s not about destroying the SNP it’s about winning a referendum by presenting the actuality rather than the fantastical never-never.
  • glw said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:
    And what would the builders who are scheduled to work on HS2 do for the next 2 years as project planning for a different project starts?

    HS2 may not be the most appropriate project at this moment but it's too late to cancel it given that it's a project with momentum...
    Even COVID-19 in the grand scheme of things shouldn't matter when considering the railways. You don't build a railway for what you need in the next 5 years, but what you need in 20, 30, 50 or more years time. Done well HS2 will still be in use when we have all kicked the bucket.

    The UK population will likely pass 70 million by the end of this decade, and will be heading towards 75-80 million by 2050. So we are going to need more transport infrastucture.
    Exactly. Almost all of our current rail infrastructure is over 150 years old.
    I don't think so, much of our railway network was built after 1870.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,719

    Scott_xP said:

    if she wanted a referendum she'd have to agree to negotiate the terms of how it would work upfront first, or not get one.

    Nope

    She would dismiss it as Project Fear, and none of the Brexiteers could deny her
    How could she do that if she was required to agree the terms of a divorce deal before being given a vote?
    This tactic is an attempt to split the SNP into those who accept the deal and those who call it a sell out. The Conservatives have failed to notice that it's possible to survive such a split with those who call the deal a sell out on top.
    It’s not about destroying the SNP it’s about winning a referendum by presenting the actuality rather than the fantastical never-never.
    Well, that will be a contrast with Brexit...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Beginning of the end for HK as an independent financial centre. It will become just another Chinese city.

    https://twitter.com/VOAStevenson/status/1301533497417502720

    End of an era feel.
    This is how shifting economic weight can change the entire world order.

    Think America and Britain have blood on their hands and are systemically racist?

    Just wait until you see the new Chinese world order: you’re going to love it.

    Absolutely love it.
    I'm against empires.
  • Andy_JS said:

    IanB2 said:

    In other news: HS2 has announced the formal start of construction of the high-speed rail line between London and the West Midlands, which it claims will create 22,000 jobs.

    The prime minister, Boris Johnson, was expected to attend a ceremonial launch of the first shovels in the ground on Friday for the main civil engineering contracts

    Do we still need HS2?
    22,00? BEIS have admitted in a Parliamentary answer that building a series of tidal lagoons would produce 57,000 jobs over the coming decade. It's nearer to 80,000, with thousands of apprentices, but its an admission.

    It would require virtually no public money - the equivalent of maybe 150 yards of HS2 track. At the end of it, you would have a baseload capacity of zero carbon electricity for the next 120 years. At prices to the consumer at least 40% cheaper than nuclear baseload. And with no storage of waste issues. No massive abandonment cost issues. No security of sites issues. No security of supply issues. No interruptions by someone turning off the gas pipelines. And no risk of laying waste to a large portion of the country if it should go Chernobyl wrong. Not forgetting it has 85% domestic spend - unlike other renewables where imports of kit are 60 - 90% of the project costs.

    Plus a whole series of left behind places in south Wales, north Wales, Lancashire, Cumbria - places the Tories need to hold onto - having been regenerated. As well as jobs all along the supply chain in the Red Wall seats.

    All blocked by a handful of officials in BEIS. Because it isn't nuclear.

    Having promoted tidal power on his leadership campaign tour, Boris's failure to wade in and make this happen is damning.
    What does Dom think about this Mark, do you know?
  • Tony Abbott joins board of trade

    I am convinced Boris is doing this to ensure we have ever more, if that is possible, of Scott's 24/7 anti Cummings, Boris, and Brexit tweets
  • Andy_JS said:

    IanB2 said:

    In other news: HS2 has announced the formal start of construction of the high-speed rail line between London and the West Midlands, which it claims will create 22,000 jobs.

    The prime minister, Boris Johnson, was expected to attend a ceremonial launch of the first shovels in the ground on Friday for the main civil engineering contracts

    Do we still need HS2?
    22,00? BEIS have admitted in a Parliamentary answer that building a series of tidal lagoons would produce 57,000 jobs over the coming decade. It's nearer to 80,000, with thousands of apprentices, but its an admission.

    It would require virtually no public money - the equivalent of maybe 150 yards of HS2 track. At the end of it, you would have a baseload capacity of zero carbon electricity for the next 120 years. At prices to the consumer at least 40% cheaper than nuclear baseload. And with no storage of waste issues. No massive abandonment cost issues. No security of sites issues. No security of supply issues. No interruptions by someone turning off the gas pipelines. And no risk of laying waste to a large portion of the country if it should go Chernobyl wrong. Not forgetting it has 85% domestic spend - unlike other renewables where imports of kit are 60 - 90% of the project costs.

    Plus a whole series of left behind places in south Wales, north Wales, Lancashire, Cumbria - places the Tories need to hold onto - having been regenerated. As well as jobs all along the supply chain in the Red Wall seats.

    All blocked by a handful of officials in BEIS. Because it isn't nuclear.

    Having promoted tidal power on his leadership campaign tour, Boris's failure to wade in and make this happen is damning.
    What does Dom think about this Mark, do you know?
    I have no idea about Cummings but I am very much in favour of it
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868

    Andy_JS said:

    IanB2 said:

    In other news: HS2 has announced the formal start of construction of the high-speed rail line between London and the West Midlands, which it claims will create 22,000 jobs.

    The prime minister, Boris Johnson, was expected to attend a ceremonial launch of the first shovels in the ground on Friday for the main civil engineering contracts

    Do we still need HS2?
    22,00? BEIS have admitted in a Parliamentary answer that building a series of tidal lagoons would produce 57,000 jobs over the coming decade. It's nearer to 80,000, with thousands of apprentices, but its an admission.

    It would require virtually no public money - the equivalent of maybe 150 yards of HS2 track. At the end of it, you would have a baseload capacity of zero carbon electricity for the next 120 years. At prices to the consumer at least 40% cheaper than nuclear baseload. And with no storage of waste issues. No massive abandonment cost issues. No security of sites issues. No security of supply issues. No interruptions by someone turning off the gas pipelines. And no risk of laying waste to a large portion of the country if it should go Chernobyl wrong. Not forgetting it has 85% domestic spend - unlike other renewables where imports of kit are 60 - 90% of the project costs.

    Plus a whole series of left behind places in south Wales, north Wales, Lancashire, Cumbria - places the Tories need to hold onto - having been regenerated. As well as jobs all along the supply chain in the Red Wall seats.

    All blocked by a handful of officials in BEIS. Because it isn't nuclear.

    Having promoted tidal power on his leadership campaign tour, Boris's failure to wade in and make this happen is damning.
    What does Dom think about this Mark, do you know?
    It might hang on whether any of his relatives own potential suppliers?
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