Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
I'm sure many of us will enjoy blaming Johnson, Gove et al for their recklessness when the Union dies, but it was already on its way to the grave regardless. All they may have done is hurry it along a bit, that's all.
Blair killed the Union.
Asymmetric devolution left the constitution fundamentally unbalanced and unsustainable.
Tam Dalyell warned what would happen. He was right.
I do somewhat struggle with emphasising the disparate and diverse nature of the movement as a positive, but still having the centralised authority to declare which elements of it are representative of it and which are not. I have no real idea which views within it are fringe and which are not.
In the old days the banner would not have been noticed but now everybody has a phone and these things get picked up and so organisers have to say what they are , what they are not, who is naughty and who is nice to the nth degree. SO tedious really .
The problem with the elimination strategy is, of course, it involves an enormous amount of pain and effort, at the end of which the "successful" country concerned will then be so afraid of it breaking out again that it will resort to almost any extreme to stamp out fresh outbreaks.
In other words, it would be exactly like New Zealand. One week:"It's gone, no more horrid masks, we can go back to normal, hooray!" The next week: "A case has been detected in London. Panic panic panic! Everyone in London must now spend six weeks locked in their home. No leaving under any circumstances except to buy food."
Except, of course, at least New Zealand is so bloody remote that they wouldn't be getting new clusters seeded on a weekly basis by the constant to-ing and fro-ing of truck drivers, or migrants stowing away in the backs of their lorries.
How long before these zealots have moved onto zero-influenza? We will be in and out of lockdown for the rest of our lives.
You don't see the benefits of a zero cold strategy?
In anecdata, from family and friends the cold seems to be running rife in the schools in Scotland, despite all the extra precautions. So let's hope that that isn't also the case with covid.
My niece has been to a summer scheme and got a cold which she’s given to her family. Hopefully children are genuinely less likely to spread COVID compared with colds that they seem to be brilliant at spreading.
I'd say it is more that people are paying attention to their children's colds for the first time.
Children who would normally have gone in to school with a snotty nose are being held back.
Its like at the start of this pandemic if you were in a supermarket and somebody coughed then everyone would turn and look at the person who coughed.
The problem with the elimination strategy is, of course, it involves an enormous amount of pain and effort, at the end of which the "successful" country concerned will then be so afraid of it breaking out again that it will resort to almost any extreme to stamp out fresh outbreaks.
In other words, it would be exactly like New Zealand. One week:"It's gone, no more horrid masks, we can go back to normal, hooray!" The next week: "A case has been detected in London. Panic panic panic! Everyone in London must now spend six weeks locked in their home. No leaving under any circumstances except to buy food."
Except, of course, at least New Zealand is so bloody remote that they wouldn't be getting new clusters seeded on a weekly basis by the constant to-ing and fro-ing of truck drivers, or migrants stowing away in the backs of their lorries.
How long before these zealots have moved onto zero-influenza? We will be in and out of lockdown for the rest of our lives.
You don't see the benefits of a zero cold strategy?
In anecdata, from family and friends the cold seems to be running rife in the schools in Scotland, despite all the extra precautions. So let's hope that that isn't also the case with covid.
My niece has been to a summer scheme and got a cold which she’s given to her family. Hopefully children are genuinely less likely to spread COVID compared with colds that they seem to be brilliant at spreading.
I'd say it is more that people are paying attention to their children's colds for the first time.
Children who would normally have gone in to school with a snotty nose are being held back.
Its like at the start of this pandemic if you were in a supermarket and somebody coughed then everyone would turn and look at the person who coughed.
Previously you wouldn't have even noticed it.
Its just observation bias that's all.
but its delaying those kids education for no need (and social mixing with peers).
Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
I'm sure many of us will enjoy blaming Johnson, Gove et al for their recklessness when the Union dies, but it was already on its way to the grave regardless. All they may have done is hurry it along a bit, that's all.
Blair killed the Union.
Asymmetric devolution left the constitution fundamentally unbalanced and unsustainable.
Tam Dalyell warned what would happen. He was right.
The Tories killed the Union
I always agreed with Tam Dalyell. Devolution was a self inflicted disaster.
Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
I'm sure many of us will enjoy blaming Johnson, Gove et al for their recklessness when the Union dies, but it was already on its way to the grave regardless. All they may have done is hurry it along a bit, that's all.
Blair killed the Union.
Asymmetric devolution left the constitution fundamentally unbalanced and unsustainable.
Tam Dalyell warned what would happen. He was right.
The Tories killed the Union
There's plenty of blame to go around, but I'm afraid that New Labour is top of the list in this particular instance. They created devolution for party political ends, and made a complete dog's breakfast of it into the bargain.
To be fair it is the best anthem in the world and yes I know a lot of people died under Soviet rule but its still a rip roaring anthem. Very soulful. A pitiful consequence of those Russians cheating with drugs is that the anthem no longer is played in the Olympics .
Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
I'm sure many of us will enjoy blaming Johnson, Gove et al for their recklessness when the Union dies, but it was already on its way to the grave regardless. All they may have done is hurry it along a bit, that's all.
Blair killed the Union.
Asymmetric devolution left the constitution fundamentally unbalanced and unsustainable.
Tam Dalyell warned what would happen. He was right.
The Tories killed the Union
There's plenty of blame to go around, but I'm afraid that New Labour is top of the list in this particular instance. They created devolution for party political ends, and made a complete dog's breakfast of it into the bargain.
The Tories had 10 years to unbreak it and they have not, their problem now
Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
Here's a thought.
If only we had all found Right Wing Comedian Michael Gove funny when he did "A Stab In The Dark", he might have stayed on telly, away from Parliament, and we'd be in a different mess to the one we're in.
So basically, Brexit and the Cummings phenomenon are all the fault of TV audiences in 1992.
To be fair it is the best anthem in the world and yes I know a lot of people died under Soviet rule but its still a rip roaring anthem. Very soulful. A pitiful consequence of those Russians cheating with drugs is that the anthem no longer is played in the Olympics .
Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
I'm sure many of us will enjoy blaming Johnson, Gove et al for their recklessness when the Union dies, but it was already on its way to the grave regardless. All they may have done is hurry it along a bit, that's all.
Blair killed the Union.
Asymmetric devolution left the constitution fundamentally unbalanced and unsustainable.
Tam Dalyell warned what would happen. He was right.
The Tories killed the Union
There's plenty of blame to go around, but I'm afraid that New Labour is top of the list in this particular instance. They created devolution for party political ends, and made a complete dog's breakfast of it into the bargain.
They didn’t finish the job granted, but the Tories have been in power since 2010 and have just made the situation worse. Both parties are to blame.
Sanity on defence and foreign policy, not frightening the horses on the economy, balance on crime & justice and pledging not to loosen migration control whilst giving Boris enough rope to hang himself on Brexit.
Labour has a 10-15 point lead and is back in office in less than 4 years.
Do you think Labour would actually win by 10-15 points though? In my mind the best is a minority Government
IF Labour continues at circa 40% across GB , I expect to see its support in Scotland to recover to circa 30% - at least matching its 2017 vote share there. Many SNP seats would then become vulnerable.
If that were the case Labour would pick up about 20 SNP seats as well as gaining enough Tory seats to at least force a hung parliament and we would likely end up back in the EEA or with a softer Brexit FTA under PM Starmer
Sanity on defence and foreign policy, not frightening the horses on the economy, balance on crime & justice and pledging not to loosen migration control whilst giving Boris enough rope to hang himself on Brexit.
Labour has a 10-15 point lead and is back in office in less than 4 years.
Do you think Labour would actually win by 10-15 points though? In my mind the best is a minority Government
IF Labour continues at circa 40% across GB , I expect to see its support in Scotland to recover to circa 30% - at least matching its 2017 vote share there. Many SNP seats would then become vulnerable.
If that were the case Labour would pick up about 20 SNP seats as well as gaining enough Tory seats to at least force a hung parliament and we would likely end up back in the EEA or with a softer Brexit FTA under PM Starmer
Sanity on defence and foreign policy, not frightening the horses on the economy, balance on crime & justice and pledging not to loosen migration control whilst giving Boris enough rope to hang himself on Brexit.
Labour has a 10-15 point lead and is back in office in less than 4 years.
Do you think Labour would actually win by 10-15 points though? In my mind the best is a minority Government
IF Labour continues at circa 40% across GB , I expect to see its support in Scotland to recover to circa 30% - at least matching its 2017 vote share there. Many SNP seats would then become vulnerable.
If that is were the case Labour would pick up about 20 SNP seats as well as gaining enough Tory seats to at least force a hung parliament and we would likely end up back in the EEA or with a softer Brexit FTA under PM Starmer
We will have to see what happens , but I believe Starmer needs to become much more visible in Scotland. I would like to see Leonard step aside, but failing that Starmer needs to overshadow him.
I oppose the leaving of the EU and also the break up of the UK. Not because I especially love either the EU or the UK but because creating smaller states just means individuals are confined more to that state . The massive thing the EU gave was freedom to the individual to mover around and effectively choose their country . I thought we were evolving away from tribalism in the last 50 years but its coming back with petty nationalistic (but shrewd) organisations like the SNP and UKIP
Isn't Scottish Labour’s problem that their grassroots are now non-existent? The SNP dominates the left (and centre, and right) of Scottish politics now.
No recovery in the near future without something drastic happening.
To be fair it is the best anthem in the world and yes I know a lot of people died under Soviet rule but its still a rip roaring anthem. Very soulful. A pitiful consequence of those Russians cheating with drugs is that the anthem no longer is played in the Olympics .
The French beat it.
I suppose it depends on what you like - i prefer soulful music , the French one is a little pompous imho - A bit like Bat of of Hell is superb but Bohemian Rhapsody is pompous
Isn't Scottish Labour’s problem that their grassroots are now non-existent? The SNP dominates the left (and centre, and right) of Scottish politics now.
No recovery in the near future without something drastic happening.
To be fair in 2017 Corbyn got 27%, don't see much difference between now and then in terms of Scottish Labour
Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
I'm sure many of us will enjoy blaming Johnson, Gove et al for their recklessness when the Union dies, but it was already on its way to the grave regardless. All they may have done is hurry it along a bit, that's all.
Blair killed the Union.
Asymmetric devolution left the constitution fundamentally unbalanced and unsustainable.
Tam Dalyell warned what would happen. He was right.
The Tories killed the Union
There's plenty of blame to go around, but I'm afraid that New Labour is top of the list in this particular instance. They created devolution for party political ends, and made a complete dog's breakfast of it into the bargain.
The likely death of the Union is also to a large degree because not enough people in its largest member strongly back it.
To be fair it is the best anthem in the world and yes I know a lot of people died under Soviet rule but its still a rip roaring anthem. Very soulful. A pitiful consequence of those Russians cheating with drugs is that the anthem no longer is played in the Olympics .
The problem with the elimination strategy is, of course, it involves an enormous amount of pain and effort, at the end of which the "successful" country concerned will then be so afraid of it breaking out again that it will resort to almost any extreme to stamp out fresh outbreaks.
In other words, it would be exactly like New Zealand. One week:"It's gone, no more horrid masks, we can go back to normal, hooray!" The next week: "A case has been detected in London. Panic panic panic! Everyone in London must now spend six weeks locked in their home. No leaving under any circumstances except to buy food."
Except, of course, at least New Zealand is so bloody remote that they wouldn't be getting new clusters seeded on a weekly basis by the constant to-ing and fro-ing of truck drivers, or migrants stowing away in the backs of their lorries.
How long before these zealots have moved onto zero-influenza? We will be in and out of lockdown for the rest of our lives.
You don't see the benefits of a zero cold strategy?
In anecdata, from family and friends the cold seems to be running rife in the schools in Scotland, despite all the extra precautions. So let's hope that that isn't also the case with covid.
My niece has been to a summer scheme and got a cold which she’s given to her family. Hopefully children are genuinely less likely to spread COVID compared with colds that they seem to be brilliant at spreading.
I'd say it is more that people are paying attention to their children's colds for the first time.
Children who would normally have gone in to school with a snotty nose are being held back.
Its like at the start of this pandemic if you were in a supermarket and somebody coughed then everyone would turn and look at the person who coughed.
Previously you wouldn't have even noticed it.
Its just observation bias that's all.
Well, it was just anecdata.
But the SG felt that it was important to state that "it was common for other viral infections to circulate after a "prolonged break" away from school, so there may be something in the actual data.
I accept that a lot of parents are being cautious, rightly so - but it's very possibly that their kids caught the cold in school in the first place.
I'm not saying that means covid is rife in schools. I am saying that all the distancing and one-way systems and staggered start/finish times and repeated handwashing and in some cases pupils being told they have a specified timeslot when they are allowed to go to the toilet doesn't really appear to stop viral transmission in schools in the case of the cold at least, so maybe they ought to just go to school and sod all the fiddling round the edges.
Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
I'm sure many of us will enjoy blaming Johnson, Gove et al for their recklessness when the Union dies, but it was already on its way to the grave regardless. All they may have done is hurry it along a bit, that's all.
Blair killed the Union.
Asymmetric devolution left the constitution fundamentally unbalanced and unsustainable.
Tam Dalyell warned what would happen. He was right.
The Tories killed the Union
I always agreed with Tam Dalyell. Devolution was a self inflicted disaster.
What was the alternative though? Deny any Scottish government at all?
Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
I'm sure many of us will enjoy blaming Johnson, Gove et al for their recklessness when the Union dies, but it was already on its way to the grave regardless. All they may have done is hurry it along a bit, that's all.
Blair killed the Union.
Asymmetric devolution left the constitution fundamentally unbalanced and unsustainable.
Tam Dalyell warned what would happen. He was right.
The Tories killed the Union
There's plenty of blame to go around, but I'm afraid that New Labour is top of the list in this particular instance. They created devolution for party political ends, and made a complete dog's breakfast of it into the bargain.
The Tories had 10 years to unbreak it and they have not, their problem now
All the King's horses and all the King's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty together again.
Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
I'm sure many of us will enjoy blaming Johnson, Gove et al for their recklessness when the Union dies, but it was already on its way to the grave regardless. All they may have done is hurry it along a bit, that's all.
Blair killed the Union.
Asymmetric devolution left the constitution fundamentally unbalanced and unsustainable.
Tam Dalyell warned what would happen. He was right.
The Tories killed the Union
There's plenty of blame to go around, but I'm afraid that New Labour is top of the list in this particular instance. They created devolution for party political ends, and made a complete dog's breakfast of it into the bargain.
The Tories had 10 years to unbreak it and they have not, their problem now
Oh, if the Tories cared that much about the Union they should've repaired it, to be sure, but all the same Labour broke it and it will be poetic justice when the next Labour Prime Minister loses the Union and is dragged down in the process.
All Boris Johnson has to do when confronted by the inevitable SNP landslide next May is invoke the "once in a generation" defence and stonewall the demands for the second referendum - which a subsequent Labour minority Government will then be forced to concede, and will lose.
Blair wrecked the Union. If (or, more likely, when) his party has to deal with the consequences then it will serve them right.
Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
I'm sure many of us will enjoy blaming Johnson, Gove et al for their recklessness when the Union dies, but it was already on its way to the grave regardless. All they may have done is hurry it along a bit, that's all.
Blair killed the Union.
Asymmetric devolution left the constitution fundamentally unbalanced and unsustainable.
Tam Dalyell warned what would happen. He was right.
The Tories killed the Union
There's plenty of blame to go around, but I'm afraid that New Labour is top of the list in this particular instance. They created devolution for party political ends, and made a complete dog's breakfast of it into the bargain.
The Tories had 10 years to unbreak it and they have not, their problem now
All the King's horses and all the King's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty together again.
Just like the last 10 years of failure, a bit rich to be blaming Labour for your many failures because you won't take credit for being rubbish
Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
I'm sure many of us will enjoy blaming Johnson, Gove et al for their recklessness when the Union dies, but it was already on its way to the grave regardless. All they may have done is hurry it along a bit, that's all.
Blair killed the Union.
Asymmetric devolution left the constitution fundamentally unbalanced and unsustainable.
Tam Dalyell warned what would happen. He was right.
The Tories killed the Union
I always agreed with Tam Dalyell. Devolution was a self inflicted disaster.
What was the alternative though? Deny any Scottish government at all?
He could have created an English Parliament with English devolution equivalent to the Scottish one. Then the PM would be PM of the UK and not primarily PM of England. But then someone else would have been English First Minister and he'd have lost much of his powers. So he didn't give away his toys to the English First Minister he kept them for himself.
But him wanting the powers of First Minister of England isn't a reason to have asymmetric devolution.
Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
I'm sure many of us will enjoy blaming Johnson, Gove et al for their recklessness when the Union dies, but it was already on its way to the grave regardless. All they may have done is hurry it along a bit, that's all.
Blair killed the Union.
Asymmetric devolution left the constitution fundamentally unbalanced and unsustainable.
Tam Dalyell warned what would happen. He was right.
The Tories killed the Union
There's plenty of blame to go around, but I'm afraid that New Labour is top of the list in this particular instance. They created devolution for party political ends, and made a complete dog's breakfast of it into the bargain.
The Tories had 10 years to unbreak it and they have not, their problem now
Oh, if the Tories cared that much about the Union they should've repaired it, to be sure, but all the same Labour broke it and it will be poetic justice when the next Labour Prime Minister loses the Union and is dragged down in the process.
All Boris Johnson has to do when confronted by the inevitable SNP landslide next May is invoke the "once in a generation" defence and stonewall the demands for the second referendum - which a subsequent Labour minority Government will then be forced to concede, and will lose.
Blair wrecked the Union. If (or, more likely, when) his party has to deal with the consequences then it will serve them right.
I think No would narrowly win again if Starmer was PM and we were back in the EEA and Scotland got devomax as is likely from Labour.
The SNP's problem is their best hope of a Yes vote is PM Boris and a hard Brexit ideally on WTO Terms but Boris will refuse to allow indyref2 with a Tory majority of 80.
They may get indyref2 with PM Starmer reliant on their support in a hung parliament but they are less likely to win it then
Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
I'm sure many of us will enjoy blaming Johnson, Gove et al for their recklessness when the Union dies, but it was already on its way to the grave regardless. All they may have done is hurry it along a bit, that's all.
Blair killed the Union.
Asymmetric devolution left the constitution fundamentally unbalanced and unsustainable.
Tam Dalyell warned what would happen. He was right.
The Tories killed the Union
I always agreed with Tam Dalyell. Devolution was a self inflicted disaster.
What was the alternative though? Deny any Scottish government at all?
He could have created an English Parliament with English devolution equivalent to the Scottish one. Then the PM would be PM of the UK and not primarily PM of England. But then someone else would have been English First Minister and he'd have lost much of his powers. So he didn't give away his toys to the English First Minister he kept them for himself.
But him wanting the powers of First Minister of England isn't a reason to have asymmetric devolution.
Boris Johnson is able to do that now, get on with it
Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
I'm sure many of us will enjoy blaming Johnson, Gove et al for their recklessness when the Union dies, but it was already on its way to the grave regardless. All they may have done is hurry it along a bit, that's all.
Blair killed the Union.
Asymmetric devolution left the constitution fundamentally unbalanced and unsustainable.
Tam Dalyell warned what would happen. He was right.
The Tories killed the Union
There's plenty of blame to go around, but I'm afraid that New Labour is top of the list in this particular instance. They created devolution for party political ends, and made a complete dog's breakfast of it into the bargain.
The Tories had 10 years to unbreak it and they have not, their problem now
All the King's horses and all the King's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty together again.
Just like the last 10 years of failure, a bit rich to be blaming Labour for your many failures because you won't take credit for being rubbish
The point of what I quoted is that some things once broken can not be fixed.
Like Humpty Dumpty falling off the wall, Blair has broken the UK. I do not believe it is possible to be put back together again.
Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
I'm sure many of us will enjoy blaming Johnson, Gove et al for their recklessness when the Union dies, but it was already on its way to the grave regardless. All they may have done is hurry it along a bit, that's all.
Blair killed the Union.
Asymmetric devolution left the constitution fundamentally unbalanced and unsustainable.
Tam Dalyell warned what would happen. He was right.
The Tories killed the Union
There's plenty of blame to go around, but I'm afraid that New Labour is top of the list in this particular instance. They created devolution for party political ends, and made a complete dog's breakfast of it into the bargain.
The Tories had 10 years to unbreak it and they have not, their problem now
Oh, if the Tories cared that much about the Union they should've repaired it, to be sure, but all the same Labour broke it and it will be poetic justice when the next Labour Prime Minister loses the Union and is dragged down in the process.
All Boris Johnson has to do when confronted by the inevitable SNP landslide next May is invoke the "once in a generation" defence and stonewall the demands for the second referendum - which a subsequent Labour minority Government will then be forced to concede, and will lose.
Blair wrecked the Union. If (or, more likely, when) his party has to deal with the consequences then it will serve them right.
I think No would win again if Starmer was PM and we were back in the EEA, narrowly.
The SNP's problem is there best hope of a Yes vote is PM Boris and a hard Brexit ideally on WTO Terms but Boris will refuse to allow indyref2.
They may get indyref2 with PM Starmer but they are less likely to win it then
Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
I'm sure many of us will enjoy blaming Johnson, Gove et al for their recklessness when the Union dies, but it was already on its way to the grave regardless. All they may have done is hurry it along a bit, that's all.
Blair killed the Union.
Asymmetric devolution left the constitution fundamentally unbalanced and unsustainable.
Tam Dalyell warned what would happen. He was right.
The Tories killed the Union
I always agreed with Tam Dalyell. Devolution was a self inflicted disaster.
What was the alternative though? Deny any Scottish government at all?
He could have created an English Parliament with English devolution equivalent to the Scottish one. Then the PM would be PM of the UK and not primarily PM of England. But then someone else would have been English First Minister and he'd have lost much of his powers. So he didn't give away his toys to the English First Minister he kept them for himself.
But him wanting the powers of First Minister of England isn't a reason to have asymmetric devolution.
Boris Johnson is able to do that now, get on with it
He won't for the same reason Blair didn't.
The UK is dead. RIP. People just need to get past the first stage of grief and get on with it.
Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
I'm sure many of us will enjoy blaming Johnson, Gove et al for their recklessness when the Union dies, but it was already on its way to the grave regardless. All they may have done is hurry it along a bit, that's all.
Blair killed the Union.
Asymmetric devolution left the constitution fundamentally unbalanced and unsustainable.
Tam Dalyell warned what would happen. He was right.
The Tories killed the Union
There's plenty of blame to go around, but I'm afraid that New Labour is top of the list in this particular instance. They created devolution for party political ends, and made a complete dog's breakfast of it into the bargain.
The Tories had 10 years to unbreak it and they have not, their problem now
All the King's horses and all the King's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty together again.
As a kid, I could always just about get the concept of a cat jumping over the moon but how on earth does a load of kings horses help put a big egg back together again?. The kings men will struggle but c'mon how do horses even begin to start ?
Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
I'm sure many of us will enjoy blaming Johnson, Gove et al for their recklessness when the Union dies, but it was already on its way to the grave regardless. All they may have done is hurry it along a bit, that's all.
Blair killed the Union.
Asymmetric devolution left the constitution fundamentally unbalanced and unsustainable.
Tam Dalyell warned what would happen. He was right.
The Tories killed the Union
I always agreed with Tam Dalyell. Devolution was a self inflicted disaster.
What was the alternative though? Deny any Scottish government at all?
He could have created an English Parliament with English devolution equivalent to the Scottish one. Then the PM would be PM of the UK and not primarily PM of England. But then someone else would have been English First Minister and he'd have lost much of his powers. So he didn't give away his toys to the English First Minister he kept them for himself.
But him wanting the powers of First Minister of England isn't a reason to have asymmetric devolution.
Boris Johnson is able to do that now, get on with it
Have you any idea of the legislation required to make such a constitutional change
Isn't Scottish Labour’s problem that their grassroots are now non-existent? The SNP dominates the left (and centre, and right) of Scottish politics now.
No recovery in the near future without something drastic happening.
We are only 5 years on from 2015. The grass roots are still around. It was the tall poppies that we're scythed down.
Now some of those tall poppies let their gardens go fallow as they felt they were so secure they didn't need to invest time and effort into the rank and file but SLab still has infrastructure
Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
I'm sure many of us will enjoy blaming Johnson, Gove et al for their recklessness when the Union dies, but it was already on its way to the grave regardless. All they may have done is hurry it along a bit, that's all.
Blair killed the Union.
Asymmetric devolution left the constitution fundamentally unbalanced and unsustainable.
Tam Dalyell warned what would happen. He was right.
The Tories killed the Union
There's plenty of blame to go around, but I'm afraid that New Labour is top of the list in this particular instance. They created devolution for party political ends, and made a complete dog's breakfast of it into the bargain.
The Tories had 10 years to unbreak it and they have not, their problem now
Oh, if the Tories cared that much about the Union they should've repaired it, to be sure, but all the same Labour broke it and it will be poetic justice when the next Labour Prime Minister loses the Union and is dragged down in the process.
All Boris Johnson has to do when confronted by the inevitable SNP landslide next May is invoke the "once in a generation" defence and stonewall the demands for the second referendum - which a subsequent Labour minority Government will then be forced to concede, and will lose.
Blair wrecked the Union. If (or, more likely, when) his party has to deal with the consequences then it will serve them right.
I think No would narrowly win again if Starmer was PM and we were back in the EEA and Scotland got devomax as is likely from Labour.
The SNP's problem is there best hope of a Yes vote is PM Boris and a hard Brexit ideally on WTO Terms but Boris will refuse to allow indyref2.
They may get indyref2 with PM Starmer but they are less likely to win it then
So essentially the SNP is stuffed either way: no referendum from Boris, so nothing to win; a referendum from Starmer, but enough concessions or persuasive circumstances to deprive Yes of a majority.
Why are we worrying about Scottish independence, again?
Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
I'm sure many of us will enjoy blaming Johnson, Gove et al for their recklessness when the Union dies, but it was already on its way to the grave regardless. All they may have done is hurry it along a bit, that's all.
Blair killed the Union.
Asymmetric devolution left the constitution fundamentally unbalanced and unsustainable.
Tam Dalyell warned what would happen. He was right.
The Tories killed the Union
I always agreed with Tam Dalyell. Devolution was a self inflicted disaster.
What was the alternative though? Deny any Scottish government at all?
He could have created an English Parliament with English devolution equivalent to the Scottish one. Then the PM would be PM of the UK and not primarily PM of England. But then someone else would have been English First Minister and he'd have lost much of his powers. So he didn't give away his toys to the English First Minister he kept them for himself.
But him wanting the powers of First Minister of England isn't a reason to have asymmetric devolution.
Boris Johnson is able to do that now, get on with it
Have you any idea of the legislation required to make such a constitutional change
Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
I'm sure many of us will enjoy blaming Johnson, Gove et al for their recklessness when the Union dies, but it was already on its way to the grave regardless. All they may have done is hurry it along a bit, that's all.
Blair killed the Union.
Asymmetric devolution left the constitution fundamentally unbalanced and unsustainable.
Tam Dalyell warned what would happen. He was right.
The Tories killed the Union
I always agreed with Tam Dalyell. Devolution was a self inflicted disaster.
What was the alternative though? Deny any Scottish government at all?
He could have created an English Parliament with English devolution equivalent to the Scottish one. Then the PM would be PM of the UK and not primarily PM of England. But then someone else would have been English First Minister and he'd have lost much of his powers. So he didn't give away his toys to the English First Minister he kept them for himself.
But him wanting the powers of First Minister of England isn't a reason to have asymmetric devolution.
I like that in principle but the problem has always been that the English First Minister would be so powerful as to overpower the UK PM.
Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
I'm sure many of us will enjoy blaming Johnson, Gove et al for their recklessness when the Union dies, but it was already on its way to the grave regardless. All they may have done is hurry it along a bit, that's all.
Blair killed the Union.
Asymmetric devolution left the constitution fundamentally unbalanced and unsustainable.
Tam Dalyell warned what would happen. He was right.
The Tories killed the Union
I always agreed with Tam Dalyell. Devolution was a self inflicted disaster.
What was the alternative though? Deny any Scottish government at all?
He could have created an English Parliament with English devolution equivalent to the Scottish one. Then the PM would be PM of the UK and not primarily PM of England. But then someone else would have been English First Minister and he'd have lost much of his powers. So he didn't give away his toys to the English First Minister he kept them for himself.
But him wanting the powers of First Minister of England isn't a reason to have asymmetric devolution.
I like that in principle but the problem has always been that the English First Minister would be so powerful as to overpower the UK PM.
That scheme really f*cks me, as someone who's attempting a career change at age 28. Why would any firm hire me at entry level when they could hire a 25 year old for free?
Isn't Scottish Labour’s problem that their grassroots are now non-existent? The SNP dominates the left (and centre, and right) of Scottish politics now.
No recovery in the near future without something drastic happening.
We are only 5 years on from 2015. The grass roots are still around. It was the tall poppies that we're scythed down.
Now some of those tall poppies let their gardens go fallow as they felt they were so secure they didn't need to invest time and effort into the rank and file but SLab still has infrastructure
Many on here will not remember the time when labour were all powerful Scotland (I do) and thought they would always rule. Much like the SNP today who have commandeered their voters
Isn't Scottish Labour’s problem that their grassroots are now non-existent? The SNP dominates the left (and centre, and right) of Scottish politics now.
No recovery in the near future without something drastic happening.
I recall that polls in Scotland in late April and early May 2017 had Labour struggling to reach 15% there. On 8th June the party managed over 27%. Some polls currently have Labour on circa 20% for Westminster elections - but I suspect that the SNP vote remains pretty flakey - particularly in the context of Labour performing strongly across GB.
How exactly does a strong pro-Union stance win them back. And if you aren't winning the left wing indy vote back where are you getting those votes to go to 30%?
Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
I'm sure many of us will enjoy blaming Johnson, Gove et al for their recklessness when the Union dies, but it was already on its way to the grave regardless. All they may have done is hurry it along a bit, that's all.
Blair killed the Union.
Asymmetric devolution left the constitution fundamentally unbalanced and unsustainable.
Tam Dalyell warned what would happen. He was right.
The Tories killed the Union
I always agreed with Tam Dalyell. Devolution was a self inflicted disaster.
What was the alternative though? Deny any Scottish government at all?
He could have created an English Parliament with English devolution equivalent to the Scottish one. Then the PM would be PM of the UK and not primarily PM of England. But then someone else would have been English First Minister and he'd have lost much of his powers. So he didn't give away his toys to the English First Minister he kept them for himself.
But him wanting the powers of First Minister of England isn't a reason to have asymmetric devolution.
Boris Johnson is able to do that now, get on with it
Have you any idea of the legislation required to make such a constitutional change
It is not going to happen
And so bye bye Scotland.
Even if the Tories hold off the second independence referendum until Labour gets back in, AND Labour bribes the Scottish electorate to stay with Devomax, AND the bribe succeeds, then it would leave 59 Scottish MPs in the House of Commons with almost nothing left to do with their time except to meddle in English legislation. That's not sustainable.
This problem needs to be resolved. So, sorry, but if England doesn't get parity of esteem with Scotland then the sooner Scotland is gone the better.
Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
I'm sure many of us will enjoy blaming Johnson, Gove et al for their recklessness when the Union dies, but it was already on its way to the grave regardless. All they may have done is hurry it along a bit, that's all.
Blair killed the Union.
Asymmetric devolution left the constitution fundamentally unbalanced and unsustainable.
Tam Dalyell warned what would happen. He was right.
The Tories killed the Union
There's plenty of blame to go around, but I'm afraid that New Labour is top of the list in this particular instance. They created devolution for party political ends, and made a complete dog's breakfast of it into the bargain.
The Tories had 10 years to unbreak it and they have not, their problem now
All the King's horses and all the King's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty together again.
As a kid, I could always just about get the concept of a cat jumping over the moon but how on earth does a load of kings horses help put a big egg back together again?. The kings men will struggle but c'mon how do horses even begin to start ?
Wasn't Humpty Dumpty a cannon? I believe the egg was a Victorian illustrator's imagination.
That scheme really f*cks me, as someone who's attempting a career change at age 28. Why would any firm hire me at entry level when they could hire a 25 year old for free?
Jeez.
I am in a nosey mood tonight so do you mind me asking what you are wanting to do?
That scheme really f*cks me, as someone who's attempting a career change at age 28. Why would any firm hire me at entry level when they could hire a 25 year old for free?
We shouldn't either and neither should Europe. Refloating the western economies will save more lives in the developing world than a vaccine.
We should do whatever most effectively saves lives in the UK, resuscitates the UK economy most quickly (and sustainably) and most effectively advances UK interests.
That may involve distributing the vaccine globally but if so it should be done for those reasons (and scientific reasons) and not out of pan-global internationalist ideology.
Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
I'm sure many of us will enjoy blaming Johnson, Gove et al for their recklessness when the Union dies, but it was already on its way to the grave regardless. All they may have done is hurry it along a bit, that's all.
Blair killed the Union.
Asymmetric devolution left the constitution fundamentally unbalanced and unsustainable.
Tam Dalyell warned what would happen. He was right.
The Tories killed the Union
I always agreed with Tam Dalyell. Devolution was a self inflicted disaster.
What was the alternative though? Deny any Scottish government at all?
He could have created an English Parliament with English devolution equivalent to the Scottish one. Then the PM would be PM of the UK and not primarily PM of England. But then someone else would have been English First Minister and he'd have lost much of his powers. So he didn't give away his toys to the English First Minister he kept them for himself.
But him wanting the powers of First Minister of England isn't a reason to have asymmetric devolution.
I like that in principle but the problem has always been that the English First Minister would be so powerful as to overpower the UK PM.
Sanity on defence and foreign policy, not frightening the horses on the economy, balance on crime & justice and pledging not to loosen migration control whilst giving Boris enough rope to hang himself on Brexit.
Labour has a 10-15 point lead and is back in office in less than 4 years.
Do you think Labour would actually win by 10-15 points though? In my mind the best is a minority Government
IF Labour continues at circa 40% across GB , I expect to see its support in Scotland to recover to circa 30% - at least matching its 2017 vote share there. Many SNP seats would then become vulnerable.
If that were the case Labour would pick up about 20 SNP seats as well as gaining enough Tory seats to at least force a hung parliament and we would likely end up back in the EEA or with a softer Brexit FTA under PM Starmer
We are talking 2024. Starmer is not going to go into bat in that election talking about any form of ongoing relationship with the EU. Not unless he wants to plummet ten points....
That scheme really f*cks me, as someone who's attempting a career change at age 28. Why would any firm hire me at entry level when they could hire a 25 year old for free?
Jeez.
I am in a nosey mood tonight so do you mind me asking what you are wanting to do?
I previously worked as a project engineer in various industries (oil & gas, construction, renewable energy, biopharmaceuticals) but for the past year I've been at university working towards a career in law - hopefully as a solicitor.
How exactly does a strong pro-Union stance win them back. And if you aren't winning the left wing indy vote back where are you getting those votes to go to 30%?
I suspect that had Labour been better placed across GB in 2019 many of the gains made in 2017 would have been retained. In reality,however, every indicator pointed to a clear Tory win.
Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
I'm sure many of us will enjoy blaming Johnson, Gove et al for their recklessness when the Union dies, but it was already on its way to the grave regardless. All they may have done is hurry it along a bit, that's all.
Blair killed the Union.
Asymmetric devolution left the constitution fundamentally unbalanced and unsustainable.
Tam Dalyell warned what would happen. He was right.
The Tories killed the Union
There's plenty of blame to go around, but I'm afraid that New Labour is top of the list in this particular instance. They created devolution for party political ends, and made a complete dog's breakfast of it into the bargain.
The Tories had 10 years to unbreak it and they have not, their problem now
All the King's horses and all the King's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty together again.
As a kid, I could always just about get the concept of a cat jumping over the moon but how on earth does a load of kings horses help put a big egg back together again?. The kings men will struggle but c'mon how do horses even begin to start ?
Wasn't Humpty Dumpty a cannon? I believe the egg was a Victorian illustrator's imagination.
To be fair, I think the Kings horses wouldn't be much use in cannon repair either.
How exactly does a strong pro-Union stance win them back. And if you aren't winning the left wing indy vote back where are you getting those votes to go to 30%?
They lost them as Corbyn Labour was clearly not the strongest alternative to the Boris Tories in Scotland unlike the SNP in 2019, in 2024 however Starmer Labour would be a much more effective anti Tory force.
Starmer also polls far better in Scotland than Corbyn ever did
That scheme really f*cks me, as someone who's attempting a career change at age 28. Why would any firm hire me at entry level when they could hire a 25 year old for free?
Jeez.
For 6 months
That's still a hell of an incentive not to hire me though! Oh well. Will have to make sure the CV is tip-top.
That scheme really f*cks me, as someone who's attempting a career change at age 28. Why would any firm hire me at entry level when they could hire a 25 year old for free?
Jeez.
I am in a nosey mood tonight so do you mind me asking what you are wanting to do?
I previously worked as a project engineer in various industries (oil & gas, construction, renewable energy, biopharmaceuticals) but for the past year I've been at university working towards a career in law - hopefully as a solicitor.
Thanks for that - Good luck then!
Seriously this under 25 scheme is an expensive way of discriminating by age and carrying on identity politics.
Sanity on defence and foreign policy, not frightening the horses on the economy, balance on crime & justice and pledging not to loosen migration control whilst giving Boris enough rope to hang himself on Brexit.
Labour has a 10-15 point lead and is back in office in less than 4 years.
Do you think Labour would actually win by 10-15 points though? In my mind the best is a minority Government
IF Labour continues at circa 40% across GB , I expect to see its support in Scotland to recover to circa 30% - at least matching its 2017 vote share there. Many SNP seats would then become vulnerable.
If that were the case Labour would pick up about 20 SNP seats as well as gaining enough Tory seats to at least force a hung parliament and we would likely end up back in the EEA or with a softer Brexit FTA under PM Starmer
We are talking 2024. Starmer is not going to go into bat in that election talking about any form of ongoing relationship with the EU. Not unless he wants to plummet ten points....
If we are on WTO terms Brexit in 2024 and the economy is in deep recession and the government very unpopular of course he will be, if WTO terms Brexit or any FTA agreed with the EU is going brilliantly then the Tories will likely win again anyway.
Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
I'm sure many of us will enjoy blaming Johnson, Gove et al for their recklessness when the Union dies, but it was already on its way to the grave regardless. All they may have done is hurry it along a bit, that's all.
Blair killed the Union.
Asymmetric devolution left the constitution fundamentally unbalanced and unsustainable.
Tam Dalyell warned what would happen. He was right.
The Tories killed the Union
There's plenty of blame to go around, but I'm afraid that New Labour is top of the list in this particular instance. They created devolution for party political ends, and made a complete dog's breakfast of it into the bargain.
The Tories had 10 years to unbreak it and they have not, their problem now
All the King's horses and all the King's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty together again.
As a kid, I could always just about get the concept of a cat jumping over the moon but how on earth does a load of kings horses help put a big egg back together again?. The kings men will struggle but c'mon how do horses even begin to start ?
Wasn't Humpty Dumpty a cannon? I believe the egg was a Victorian illustrator's imagination.
I bow to your expert knowledge but would argue that the kings horses (even if they were called Red Rum, Cigar ,Shergar and Black Beauty ) would find putting a canon back together just as hard .
O/T Excellent new adaptation of All Creatures Great and Small on Channel 5 this evening with Samuel West for anyone who remembers the 1980s Robert Hardy and Christopher Timothy version, continues next week at 9pm
Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
I'm sure many of us will enjoy blaming Johnson, Gove et al for their recklessness when the Union dies, but it was already on its way to the grave regardless. All they may have done is hurry it along a bit, that's all.
Blair killed the Union.
Asymmetric devolution left the constitution fundamentally unbalanced and unsustainable.
Tam Dalyell warned what would happen. He was right.
The Tories killed the Union
I always agreed with Tam Dalyell. Devolution was a self inflicted disaster.
What was the alternative though? Deny any Scottish government at all?
He could have created an English Parliament with English devolution equivalent to the Scottish one. Then the PM would be PM of the UK and not primarily PM of England. But then someone else would have been English First Minister and he'd have lost much of his powers. So he didn't give away his toys to the English First Minister he kept them for himself.
But him wanting the powers of First Minister of England isn't a reason to have asymmetric devolution.
Boris Johnson is able to do that now, get on with it
Have you any idea of the legislation required to make such a constitutional change
It is not going to happen
And so bye bye Scotland.
Even if the Tories hold off the second independence referendum until Labour gets back in, AND Labour bribes the Scottish electorate to stay with Devomax, AND the bribe succeeds, then it would leave 59 Scottish MPs in the House of Commons with almost nothing left to do with their time except to meddle in English legislation. That's not sustainable.
This problem needs to be resolved. So, sorry, but if England doesn't get parity of esteem with Scotland then the sooner Scotland is gone the better.
That's effectively what the SNP did when they blocked Cameron's attempt to liberalise the fox hunting ban in 2015. It was an effort to piss off the English the other way.
Of course, on that issue - on which public opinion had moved rapidly in the last ten years, even in England - they got away with it but it wouldn't end there.
Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
I'm sure many of us will enjoy blaming Johnson, Gove et al for their recklessness when the Union dies, but it was already on its way to the grave regardless. All they may have done is hurry it along a bit, that's all.
Blair killed the Union.
Asymmetric devolution left the constitution fundamentally unbalanced and unsustainable.
Tam Dalyell warned what would happen. He was right.
The Tories killed the Union
There's plenty of blame to go around, but I'm afraid that New Labour is top of the list in this particular instance. They created devolution for party political ends, and made a complete dog's breakfast of it into the bargain.
The Tories had 10 years to unbreak it and they have not, their problem now
All the King's horses and all the King's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty together again.
As a kid, I could always just about get the concept of a cat jumping over the moon but how on earth does a load of kings horses help put a big egg back together again?. The kings men will struggle but c'mon how do horses even begin to start ?
Humpty Dumpty was a particularly big cannon that the Royalists had in the English Civil War.
It fell off the wall when the Parliamentarians attacked - the King's men and horses tried to drag it back into position but to no avail...
That scheme really f*cks me, as someone who's attempting a career change at age 28. Why would any firm hire me at entry level when they could hire a 25 year old for free?
Jeez.
Now do you see the problem with cleverly designed state run schemes replacing the free market?
How exactly does a strong pro-Union stance win them back. And if you aren't winning the left wing indy vote back where are you getting those votes to go to 30%?
They lost them as Corbyn Labour was clearly not the strongest alternative to the Boris Tories in Scotland unlike the SNP in 2019, in 2024 however Starmer Labour would be a much more effective anti Tory force.
Starmer also polls far better in Scotland than Corbyn ever did
So why is SLab polling so badly in Scotland just now?
Their real problem is the SNP are the pro-indy vote and the SCon are the pro-Union vote and SLab are trying to go after a dwindling pro-Union vote that the Conservatives are much better at picking up. They are the third party squeezed out of a two-sided issue that is the only game in town in Scottish politics at present.
That scheme really f*cks me, as someone who's attempting a career change at age 28. Why would any firm hire me at entry level when they could hire a 25 year old for free?
Jeez.
Now do you see the problem with cleverly designed state run schemes replacing the free market?
Well some of us did warn that Brexit may well lead to the breakup of the Union but we were denounced as engaging in Project Fear.
Brexiteers like Gove are absolute tossers, they wanted to destroy the EU but may well end up destroying the Union, I hope he gets a paper cut on his todger every day for the rest of his life.
I'm sure many of us will enjoy blaming Johnson, Gove et al for their recklessness when the Union dies, but it was already on its way to the grave regardless. All they may have done is hurry it along a bit, that's all.
Blair killed the Union.
Asymmetric devolution left the constitution fundamentally unbalanced and unsustainable.
Tam Dalyell warned what would happen. He was right.
The Tories killed the Union
There's plenty of blame to go around, but I'm afraid that New Labour is top of the list in this particular instance. They created devolution for party political ends, and made a complete dog's breakfast of it into the bargain.
The Tories had 10 years to unbreak it and they have not, their problem now
All the King's horses and all the King's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty together again.
As a kid, I could always just about get the concept of a cat jumping over the moon but how on earth does a load of kings horses help put a big egg back together again?. The kings men will struggle but c'mon how do horses even begin to start ?
Humpty Dumpty was a particularly big cannon that the Royalists had in the English Civil War.
It fell off the wall when the Parliamentarians attacked - the King's men and horses tried to drag it back into position but to no avail...
then the song should surely say that they couldn't put Humpty back again (and not together again!).
How exactly does a strong pro-Union stance win them back. And if you aren't winning the left wing indy vote back where are you getting those votes to go to 30%?
They lost them as Corbyn Labour was clearly not the strongest alternative to the Boris Tories in Scotland unlike the SNP in 2019, in 2024 however Starmer Labour would be a much more effective anti Tory force.
Starmer also polls far better in Scotland than Corbyn ever did
So why is SLab polling so badly in Scotland just now?
Their real problem is the SNP are the pro-indy vote and the SCon are the pro-Union vote and SLab are trying to go after a dwindling pro-Union vote that the Conservatives are much better at picking up. They are the third party squeezed out of a two-sided issue that is the only game in town in Scottish politics at present.
Labour got 27% at GE17, general elections are a different beast and if Labour looks like it might win that is especially the case
That scheme really f*cks me, as someone who's attempting a career change at age 28. Why would any firm hire me at entry level when they could hire a 25 year old for free?
Jeez.
Now do you see the problem with cleverly designed state run schemes replacing the free market?
Vote Tory in future...
Eh? A Tory government brings in a scheme which discriminates against him. So he should therefore vote Tory??
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Previously you wouldn't have even noticed it.
Its just observation bias that's all.
If only we had all found Right Wing Comedian Michael Gove funny when he did "A Stab In The Dark", he might have stayed on telly, away from Parliament, and we'd be in a different mess to the one we're in.
So basically, Brexit and the Cummings phenomenon are all the fault of TV audiences in 1992.
No recovery in the near future without something drastic happening.
But the SG felt that it was important to state that "it was common for other viral infections to circulate after a "prolonged break" away from school, so there may be something in the actual data.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53983392
I accept that a lot of parents are being cautious, rightly so - but it's very possibly that their kids caught the cold in school in the first place.
I'm not saying that means covid is rife in schools. I am saying that all the distancing and one-way systems and staggered start/finish times and repeated handwashing and in some cases pupils being told they have a specified timeslot when they are allowed to go to the toilet doesn't really appear to stop viral transmission in schools in the case of the cold at least, so maybe they ought to just go to school and sod all the fiddling round the edges.
Everything going swimmingly for HMG then?
All Boris Johnson has to do when confronted by the inevitable SNP landslide next May is invoke the "once in a generation" defence and stonewall the demands for the second referendum - which a subsequent Labour minority Government will then be forced to concede, and will lose.
Blair wrecked the Union. If (or, more likely, when) his party has to deal with the consequences then it will serve them right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tw3g88JtWA
But him wanting the powers of First Minister of England isn't a reason to have asymmetric devolution.
The SNP's problem is their best hope of a Yes vote is PM Boris and a hard Brexit ideally on WTO Terms but Boris will refuse to allow indyref2 with a Tory majority of 80.
They may get indyref2 with PM Starmer reliant on their support in a hung parliament but they are less likely to win it then
Like Humpty Dumpty falling off the wall, Blair has broken the UK. I do not believe it is possible to be put back together again.
(But not for many years yet...)
The UK is dead. RIP. People just need to get past the first stage of grief and get on with it.
It is not going to happen
Now some of those tall poppies let their gardens go fallow as they felt they were so secure they didn't need to invest time and effort into the rank and file but SLab still has infrastructure
Why are we worrying about Scottish independence, again?
Telegraph back to young hating then
Jeez.
In 2019 they lost them to the SNP again.
How exactly does a strong pro-Union stance win them back. And if you aren't winning the left wing indy vote back where are you getting those votes to go to 30%?
Even if the Tories hold off the second independence referendum until Labour gets back in, AND Labour bribes the Scottish electorate to stay with Devomax, AND the bribe succeeds, then it would leave 59 Scottish MPs in the House of Commons with almost nothing left to do with their time except to meddle in English legislation. That's not sustainable.
This problem needs to be resolved. So, sorry, but if England doesn't get parity of esteem with Scotland then the sooner Scotland is gone the better.
I believe the egg was a Victorian illustrator's imagination.
That may involve distributing the vaccine globally but if so it should be done for those reasons (and scientific reasons) and not out of pan-global internationalist ideology.
It was Lewis Carroll who made him an egg.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.huffingtonpost.com.au/amp/2017/10/23/why-is-humpty-dumpty-an-egg-an-investigation_a_23253276/
Starmer also polls far better in Scotland than Corbyn ever did
Labour was the party of Scotland for ever until one day the SNP came and stole their clothes and there is no way back to relevance
Seriously this under 25 scheme is an expensive way of discriminating by age and carrying on identity politics.
https://twitter.com/COVID19Tracking/status/1300898747233177602
https://twitter.com/MartinSamuelSCE/status/1300873324118126595?s=09
Biden back at evens.
Of course, on that issue - on which public opinion had moved rapidly in the last ten years, even in England - they got away with it but it wouldn't end there.
Wedge Wedge Wedge. It's the SNP leitmotif.
It fell off the wall when the Parliamentarians attacked - the King's men and horses tried to drag it back into position but to no avail...
Vote Tory in future...
Their real problem is the SNP are the pro-indy vote and the SCon are the pro-Union vote and SLab are trying to go after a dwindling pro-Union vote that the Conservatives are much better at picking up. They are the third party squeezed out of a two-sided issue that is the only game in town in Scottish politics at present.
So he should therefore vote Tory??