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Given that elections at this stage are all about metrics of one form or another we now have the TV audience figures for Trump’s speech overnight which we can compare with Biden’s and the Numbers give the Democrat the edge.

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tlg86

First.

CorrectHorseBattery

FPT: thanks for the software eng advice, I'll keep it all in mind - I have much to learn still

CorrectHorseBattery

Re: COBOL, I watched a YouTube video a few months ago which I recall said there is a big rush to have older folks (no disrespect intended) teaching us younger lot how to use it, as unfortunately - soon - most of them will die and take their knowledge to the grave.

Sadly haunting, I thought

CorrectHorseBattery

https://twitter.com/NHSMillion/status/1299449181241831424

I had a nurse do my flu jab just last year

nichomar

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/NHSMillion/status/1299449181241831424

I had a nurse do my flu jab just last year

Been available in Pharmacies too in the UK. The Spanish campaign starts in October I think, will check with doctor if I can have it.

Sandpit

FPT

Charles said:

Malmesbury said:

Charles said:

MattW said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/jessbrammar/status/1299417952286961664

So 65k paid per annum for approx 100 days per year.

£650 a day - affected by additional benefits etc.

Doesn't seem excessive for that role.

It’s the standard rate for a ftse 250 non executive chair

Really? I can think of a few people who were getting that as senior developers - not even team leads - Java and C++

Chairs sometimes get more but for AIM companies it’s £30k for an NED and for FTSE250 £50k. In most cases it’s a day or so a month - the chair does a couple of days a month.

Harding isn’t being paid much for 2 days a week.

To be fair, £50k a year for one day a month is £4,600 a day, rather than £650 a day!

CorrectHorseBattery

https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1299453268528189444

rottenborough

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/NHSMillion/status/1299449181241831424

I had a nurse do my flu jab just last year

I don't think I have ever had a doctor stick a needle in me, except perhaps as a young child decades ago.

Philip_Thompson

Any idea how these figures have compared in prior years?

I'd have thought in 2020 more would be following online than on TV anyway though.

CorrectHorseBattery

Polling in the DM, high support for getting rid of license fee criminalisation.

And so we will get to the inevitable privatisation of the BBC, as was the point in this entire story

CorrectHorseBattery

https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1299454122366771201

CorrectHorseBattery

Express headline is literally contradicted by the story below it

MarqueeMark

Rising Phoenix - extraordinary characters.

The guy left for dead aged three, when Hutus attacked him with multiple machete blows.

The South African blade-runner - who trains with a cheetah.

The Italian fencer who lost large chunks of her body to meningitis.

A superb film. Very emotional.

Sandpit

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Re: COBOL, I watched a YouTube video a few months ago which I recall said there is a big rush to have older folks (no disrespect intended) teaching us younger lot how to use it, as unfortunately - soon - most of them will die and take their knowledge to the grave.

Sadly haunting, I thought

I'm seriously thinking about getting into dead languages, COBOL and AS400 support.

You don't even need to be fantastic at it, when all the experienced guys are in their seventies and desperate to call it a day. Banks are paying the most ridiculous money to keep these guys from retirement, well into the four figure day rates and six figure salaries.

nichomar

rottenborough said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/NHSMillion/status/1299449181241831424

I had a nurse do my flu jab just last year

I don't think I have ever had a doctor stick a needle in me, except perhaps as a young child decades ago.

I don’t think I have either, it’s a long time since single doctor surgeries were the norm. Although nichoden gives them problems extracting the blood, her blood pressure collapses and she faints and needs to be brought round before problems set in but they know that and the doctor is on hand.

stodge

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Re: COBOL, I watched a YouTube video a few months ago which I recall said there is a big rush to have older folks (no disrespect intended) teaching us younger lot how to use it, as unfortunately - soon - most of them will die and take their knowledge to the grave.

Sadly haunting, I thought

Yes, I dabbled with COBOL in the 80s. Punch cards and the like - my recollection is there was a lot of:

PERFORM A while B=C

or similar...

Big_G_NorthWales

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Polling in the DM, high support for getting rid of license fee criminalisation.

And so we will get to the inevitable privatisation of the BBC, as was the point in this entire story

The BBC licence fee is a poll tax and in these days is just out of date and wrong

Time to make the BBC compete on a level playing field with all the media

nichomar

Philip_Thompson said:

Any idea how these figures have compared in prior years?

I'd have thought in 2020 more would be following online than on TV anyway though.

I’m think most people over 50:watch TV through TV channels it’s complicated enough to have two boxes and two remotes without trying to stream through your Telly. The community on here are not representative of the outside world.

Foxy

On topic, The nomination speech perhaps puts the enthusiasm ratings to the test.

Trump under 200 IMO.

Philip_Thompson

Big_G_NorthWales said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Polling in the DM, high support for getting rid of license fee criminalisation.

And so we will get to the inevitable privatisation of the BBC, as was the point in this entire story

The BBC licence fee is a poll tax and in these days is just out of date and wrong

Time to make the BBC compete on a level playing field with all the media

💯

Big_G_NorthWales

rottenborough said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/NHSMillion/status/1299449181241831424

I had a nurse do my flu jab just last year

I don't think I have ever had a doctor stick a needle in me, except perhaps as a young child decades ago.

I have my injection from the nurse practioner but not the nurse and maybe this is the difference

Maybe Dr Foxy can clarify

Charles

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/NHSMillion/status/1299449181241831424

I had a nurse do my flu jab just last year

It’s a little confusing but the tweet is inaccurate.

He says “we are changing the law so more people can administer the jab. I want pharmacists and nurses and technicians to do it as well as GPS as has traditionally been the case” (from memory)

Changing the law so technicians can do it

GPS are traditional but lots of nurses do it especially where privately administered or tendered out by the nhs

Foxy

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Polling in the DM, high support for getting rid of license fee criminalisation.

And so we will get to the inevitable privatisation of the BBC, as was the point in this entire story

Whilst popular with the PB Tories, I am not convinced that the end of the BBC will be popular with the older generation in the purple wall.

NickPalmer

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Re: COBOL, I watched a YouTube video a few months ago which I recall said there is a big rush to have older folks (no disrespect intended) teaching us younger lot how to use it, as unfortunately - soon - most of them will die and take their knowledge to the grave.

Sadly haunting, I thought

I remember COBOL as the worrying new, boringly commercial, language that we had to master, having trained in Algol and Fortran. Algol was fun, everything afterwards was downhill...

CorrectHorseBattery

Oh I didn't realise @Foxy was a doctor, well thanks for keeping us well and your service through the pandemic

Foxy

Big_G_NorthWales said:

rottenborough said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/NHSMillion/status/1299449181241831424

I had a nurse do my flu jab just last year

I don't think I have ever had a doctor stick a needle in me, except perhaps as a young child decades ago.

I have my injection from the nurse practioner but not the nurse and maybe this is the difference

Maybe Dr Foxy can clarify

I have had mine routinely by nurses. They come and stick us at lunchtimes in my department. It is virtually compulsory for NHS staff. The aim is to keep sickness levels under control during outbreaks.

Big_G_NorthWales

Foxy said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Polling in the DM, high support for getting rid of license fee criminalisation.

And so we will get to the inevitable privatisation of the BBC, as was the point in this entire story

Whilst popular with the PB Tories, I am not convinced that the end of the BBC will be popular with the older generation in the purple wall.

Why should it be the end of the BBC

If it produces the content people will subscribe as they do to other subscriptions services

CorrectHorseBattery

I would never want the BBC to have advertising, it's one of the best things about it

kle4

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Express headline is literally contradicted by the story below it

Not a rare occurrence in media generally, to be fair.

Sandpit

Foxy said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Polling in the DM, high support for getting rid of license fee criminalisation.

And so we will get to the inevitable privatisation of the BBC, as was the point in this entire story

Whilst popular with the PB Tories, I am not convinced that the end of the BBC will be popular with the older generation in the purple wall.

It won’t be the end of the BBC, simply the end of the BBC dragging tens of thousands of poor and elderly people through the criminal courts every year.

stodge

Trafalgar have a poll showing Trump up 47-45 in Michigan.

To be more accurate, Trump leads 46.6-45.2. Before the Democrat convention, he led 46.9-44.2 and after the Democrat convention, he led 46.5-45.6 so tiny changes with both Trump and Biden votes solid within the margin of error.

As I suspected, the conventions have made little or no difference (and I suspect the debate won't either). The US electorate is highly polarised and views are entrenched.

Only 3.6% are still undecided which is extraordinary so far from the election.I have no idea how representative the Trafalgar sampling is because I don't know enough about Michigan.

Malmesbury

Charles said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/NHSMillion/status/1299449181241831424

I had a nurse do my flu jab just last year

It’s a little confusing but the tweet is inaccurate.

He says “we are changing the law so more people can administer the jab. I want pharmacists and nurses and technicians to do it as well as GPS as has traditionally been the case” (from memory)

Changing the law so technicians can do it

GPS are traditional but lots of nurses do it especially where privately administered or tendered out by the nhs

Incidentally this brings the UK into line with a number of other countries, where pharmacists often handle immunisation, IIRC.

Big_G_NorthWales

Foxy said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

rottenborough said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/NHSMillion/status/1299449181241831424

I had a nurse do my flu jab just last year

I don't think I have ever had a doctor stick a needle in me, except perhaps as a young child decades ago.

I have my injection from the nurse practioner but not the nurse and maybe this is the difference

Maybe Dr Foxy can clarify

I have had mine routinely by nurses. They come and stick us at lunchtimes in my department. It is virtually compulsory for NHS staff. The aim is to keep sickness levels under control during outbreaks.

Strange that in our practice here in Wales it is only nurse practioners

I asked for the nurse but was told it would be the NP

Alistair

The American Political Media in one tweet

https://twitter.com/drvox/status/1299376200226226176

Foxy

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Oh I didn't realise @Foxy was a doctor, well thanks for keeping us well and your service through the pandemic

Mostly I have been trying to keep regular services working, but did brush up on my respiratory medicine. In April we were days off being drafted to ICU, but then things peaked. It was a close run thing.

CorrectHorseBattery

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1299458233250185216

Does anyone listen to this podcast?

kle4

On the BBC, I do think funding a large scale public broadcaster which is required to at least attempt to be neutral is worthwhile, but I don't know that the vast array of things it does at high cost in the entertainment sphere can be justified forever, especially when others do that so much more consistently without the public funding.

Whether we are there yet or not I am not certain, but I feel like a tipping point is coming on public perceptions of the acceptable role and level of the BBC, and therefore how much the public should pay for it. The attacks it gets from left and right on occasion suggest its status could easily become focused on in a cross partisan way if the public turns.

Malmesbury

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1299454122366771201

So the the Express has gone from Cancer! Cure! Now!* stories to COVID! Vaccine! Now! stories.

*One of the ugliest forms of bottom feeding in journalism.

Foxy

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Foxy said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

rottenborough said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/NHSMillion/status/1299449181241831424

I had a nurse do my flu jab just last year

I don't think I have ever had a doctor stick a needle in me, except perhaps as a young child decades ago.

I have my injection from the nurse practioner but not the nurse and maybe this is the difference

Maybe Dr Foxy can clarify

I have had mine routinely by nurses. They come and stick us at lunchtimes in my department. It is virtually compulsory for NHS staff. The aim is to keep sickness levels under control during outbreaks.

Strange that in our practice here in Wales it is only nurse practioners

I asked for the nurse but was told it would be the NP

Ours get cascade training, then let loose with syringes and a pile of disclaimers. There is a stall in the canteen too. It isn't hard to do and is part of any nurses training.

Richard_Nabavi

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Re: COBOL, I watched a YouTube video a few months ago which I recall said there is a big rush to have older folks (no disrespect intended) teaching us younger lot how to use it, as unfortunately - soon - most of them will die and take their knowledge to the grave.

Sadly haunting, I thought

It's called 'stiffware'.

Big_G_NorthWales

Foxy said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Foxy said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

rottenborough said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/NHSMillion/status/1299449181241831424

I had a nurse do my flu jab just last year

I don't think I have ever had a doctor stick a needle in me, except perhaps as a young child decades ago.

I have my injection from the nurse practioner but not the nurse and maybe this is the difference

Maybe Dr Foxy can clarify

I have had mine routinely by nurses. They come and stick us at lunchtimes in my department. It is virtually compulsory for NHS staff. The aim is to keep sickness levels under control during outbreaks.

Strange that in our practice here in Wales it is only nurse practioners

I asked for the nurse but was told it would be the NP

Ours get cascade training, then let loose with syringes and a pile of disclaimers. There is a stall in the canteen too. It isn't hard to do and is part of any nurses training.

I would have thought so but not in our practice so far

Philip_Thompson

nichomar said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Any idea how these figures have compared in prior years?

I'd have thought in 2020 more would be following online than on TV anyway though.

I’m think most people over 50:watch TV through TV channels it’s complicated enough to have two boxes and two remotes without trying to stream through your Telly. The community on here are not representative of the outside world.

Indeed but isn't that the point? If Biden is supported more by the young, they're more likely to be streaming and not watching TV so you'd expect Trump to have higher ratings all else being equal - but the figures show that Biden does.

Although viewing figures may not correspond to voting ones, its entirely possible many might have their minds made up, be keen to vote, but have no intention of watching these events.

Malmesbury

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Re: COBOL, I watched a YouTube video a few months ago which I recall said there is a big rush to have older folks (no disrespect intended) teaching us younger lot how to use it, as unfortunately - soon - most of them will die and take their knowledge to the grave.

Sadly haunting, I thought

Free Advice* - Software engineering has nothing to do with which language you use. That's a trivial detail.

*Watch out for the price.

Jonathan

Big_G_NorthWales said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Polling in the DM, high support for getting rid of license fee criminalisation.

And so we will get to the inevitable privatisation of the BBC, as was the point in this entire story

The BBC licence fee is a poll tax and in these days is just out of date and wrong

Time to make the BBC compete on a level playing field with all the media

Nope. BBC is different. Tories have ideological objections and can never forgive a non privately owned, non commercial corporation being successful. Goes against their religion. They won’t be happy until it’s gone and the UK goes all Fox News.

stodge

CorrectHorseBattery said:

I would never want the BBC to have advertising, it's one of the best things about it

I agree we should be moving away from a licence fee model but we should also be moving away from subscription-only television. I'd rather Netflix, Prime and the rest were made freely available to everyone along with the BBC.

Let's have free access for all and not just reduce the quality of what one is able to watch to what one can afford or be prepared to pay for.

Sometimes it's not just about the profit motive - sometimes it's about improving the quality of life for as many people as possible.

CorrectHorseBattery

Malmesbury said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Re: COBOL, I watched a YouTube video a few months ago which I recall said there is a big rush to have older folks (no disrespect intended) teaching us younger lot how to use it, as unfortunately - soon - most of them will die and take their knowledge to the grave.

Sadly haunting, I thought

Free Advice* - Software engineering has nothing to do with which language you use. That's a trivial detail.

*Watch out for the price.

I don't know a lot about it, my bread and butter is C#, Java and JavaScript.

I'm surprised more people don't learn it who are doing software eng already (like me) - I'll look into it for sure

Richard_Nabavi

Here are the comparative figures for the two parties (I love the 'age 2 or older' qualification):

https://twitter.com/baseballot/status/1299456850694471680

rottenborough

Must read thread on district polling for POTUS election.

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1299389870327115776

HYUFD

Biden may have got higher ratings but he did not get much bounce, Trump will be better off if he gets a bounce even with a lower audience

Andy_JS

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Re: COBOL, I watched a YouTube video a few months ago which I recall said there is a big rush to have older folks (no disrespect intended) teaching us younger lot how to use it, as unfortunately - soon - most of them will die and take their knowledge to the grave.

Sadly haunting, I thought

There are such things as textbooks. That's how I learned computer programming.

Big_G_NorthWales

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Polling in the DM, high support for getting rid of license fee criminalisation.

And so we will get to the inevitable privatisation of the BBC, as was the point in this entire story

The BBC licence fee is a poll tax and in these days is just out of date and wrong

Time to make the BBC compete on a level playing field with all the media

Nope. BBC is different. Tories have ideological objections and can never forgive a non privately owned, non commercial corporation being successful. Goes against their religion. They won’t be happy until it’s gone and the UK goes all Fox News.

Not at all.

11,000 plus pensioners pay just for Lineker and it cannot justify that taxpayers keep it afloat on a public subsidy

Furthermore two thirds of voters want the fee scrapped so not just 'tories'

eek

Sandpit said:

Foxy said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Polling in the DM, high support for getting rid of license fee criminalisation.

And so we will get to the inevitable privatisation of the BBC, as was the point in this entire story

Whilst popular with the PB Tories, I am not convinced that the end of the BBC will be popular with the older generation in the purple wall.

It won’t be the end of the BBC, simply the end of the BBC dragging tens of thousands of poor and elderly people through the criminal courts every year.

No they will just use debt collectors instead and degt collectors are far more likely to hassle people daily/ hourly until they pay up.

Luckyguy1983

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Oh I didn't realise @Foxy was a doctor, well thanks for keeping us well and your service through the pandemic

Kind sentiment (I mean that genuinely), but on a point of order, doctors don't keep people well. By definition they treat people when they get sick.

rcs1000

I'll you *exactly* what it means.

It means absolutely nothing at all.

Nada. Zero. Zilch.

rottenborough

Leicester in its 66th day of local lockdown.

CorrectHorseBattery

Andy_JS said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Re: COBOL, I watched a YouTube video a few months ago which I recall said there is a big rush to have older folks (no disrespect intended) teaching us younger lot how to use it, as unfortunately - soon - most of them will die and take their knowledge to the grave.

Sadly haunting, I thought

There are such things as textbooks. That's how I learned computer programming.

I was only repeating what I recall the video saying

Richard_Nabavi

On the TV viewer figures, of course you have to bear in mind that many people watch via the internet nowadays, so the TV numbers by themselves aren't comparable with previous elections. It's unclear what the differential effect by party of that would be.

Luckyguy1983

HYUFD said:

Biden may have got higher ratings but he did not get much bounce, Trump will be better off if he gets a bounce even with a lower audience

I didn't watch either speech (not a masochist) but I heard Biden's was good, and judging by the lack of embedded Tweets with Trump gaffes, I'm guessing he did well too.

Jonathan

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Polling in the DM, high support for getting rid of license fee criminalisation.

And so we will get to the inevitable privatisation of the BBC, as was the point in this entire story

The BBC licence fee is a poll tax and in these days is just out of date and wrong

Time to make the BBC compete on a level playing field with all the media

Nope. BBC is different. Tories have ideological objections and can never forgive a non privately owned, non commercial corporation being successful. Goes against their religion. They won’t be happy until it’s gone and the UK goes all Fox News.

Not at all.

11,000 plus pensioners pay just for Lineker and it cannot justify that taxpayers keep it afloat on a public subsidy

Furthermore two thirds of voters want the fee scrapped so not just 'tories'

Ask a silly question, get a silly answer. Ask people if they want income tax scrapped and see what they say.

You have an ideological dislike of the BBC, despite it correcting a clear market failure.

Alistair

rcs1000 said:

I'll you *exactly* what it means.

It means absolutely nothing at all.

Nada. Zero. Zilch.

Also Nielson ratings are trash.

HYUFD

Looks like Biden is going to win Massachussetts anyway

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1299438111550832640?s=20

rcs1000

stodge said:

Trafalgar have a poll showing Trump up 47-45 in Michigan.

To be more accurate, Trump leads 46.6-45.2. Before the Democrat convention, he led 46.9-44.2 and after the Democrat convention, he led 46.5-45.6 so tiny changes with both Trump and Biden votes solid within the margin of error.

As I suspected, the conventions have made little or no difference (and I suspect the debate won't either). The US electorate is highly polarised and views are entrenched.

Only 3.6% are still undecided which is extraordinary so far from the election.I have no idea how representative the Trafalgar sampling is because I don't know enough about Michigan.

Trafalgar adjusts for shy Trump voters. How accurate that will be is the big question.

CorrectHorseBattery

The poll I mentioned the other day said the BBC was supported more by younger people than the old, it's funny because that's the opposite of what some here state

Big_G_NorthWales

eek said:

Sandpit said:

Foxy said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Polling in the DM, high support for getting rid of license fee criminalisation.

And so we will get to the inevitable privatisation of the BBC, as was the point in this entire story

Whilst popular with the PB Tories, I am not convinced that the end of the BBC will be popular with the older generation in the purple wall.

It won’t be the end of the BBC, simply the end of the BBC dragging tens of thousands of poor and elderly people through the criminal courts every year.

No they will just use debt collectors instead and degt collectors are far more likely to hassle people daily/ hourly until they pay up.

Can you imagine an elderly widow struggling to make ends meet being harassed by debt collectors. Sky would be delighted to feature it and trash the BBC further

Foxy

Richard_Nabavi said:

Here are the comparative figures for the two parties (I love the 'age 2 or older' qualification):

https://twitter.com/baseballot/status/1299456850694471680

Harris did a lot better than Pence too.

In 2016 the republicans got a bigger audience.

CorrectHorseBattery

If we decriminalise paying the license fee, sorry to state the obvious but will people then just not bother to pay it, knowing nothing will happen

rcs1000

HYUFD said:

Looks like Biden is going to win Massachussetts anyway

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1299438111550832640?s=20

Shocked, I tell 'ya.

CorrectHorseBattery

The BBC would need to implement a system where you can't watch TV/the BBC without one and I see no way of doing that - they don't have a viewing card like Sky does (did?)

Big_G_NorthWales

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Polling in the DM, high support for getting rid of license fee criminalisation.

And so we will get to the inevitable privatisation of the BBC, as was the point in this entire story

The BBC licence fee is a poll tax and in these days is just out of date and wrong

Time to make the BBC compete on a level playing field with all the media

Nope. BBC is different. Tories have ideological objections and can never forgive a non privately owned, non commercial corporation being successful. Goes against their religion. They won’t be happy until it’s gone and the UK goes all Fox News.

Not at all.

11,000 plus pensioners pay just for Lineker and it cannot justify that taxpayers keep it afloat on a public subsidy

Furthermore two thirds of voters want the fee scrapped so not just 'tories'

Ask a silly question, get a silly answer. Ask people if they want income tax scrapped and see what they say.

You have an ideological dislike of the BBC, despite it correcting a clear market failure.

I have nothing of the sort but the licence fee is over and it seems two thirds of the public agree

rcs1000

Foxy said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Here are the comparative figures for the two parties (I love the 'age 2 or older' qualification):

https://twitter.com/baseballot/status/1299456850694471680

Harris did a lot better than Pence too.

In 2016 the republicans got a bigger audience.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Dems did better in 2004. Not convinced this is a meaningful measure.

HYUFD

rcs1000 said:

stodge said:

Trafalgar have a poll showing Trump up 47-45 in Michigan.

To be more accurate, Trump leads 46.6-45.2. Before the Democrat convention, he led 46.9-44.2 and after the Democrat convention, he led 46.5-45.6 so tiny changes with both Trump and Biden votes solid within the margin of error.

As I suspected, the conventions have made little or no difference (and I suspect the debate won't either). The US electorate is highly polarised and views are entrenched.

Only 3.6% are still undecided which is extraordinary so far from the election.I have no idea how representative the Trafalgar sampling is because I don't know enough about Michigan.

Trafalgar adjusts for shy Trump voters. How accurate that will be is the big question.

It was accurate in 2016, though they have had Biden up in Michigan earlier in the summer.

I also think Biden will pick up Michigan because it has an above average African American population and there will be higher black turnout this year after BLM and George Floyd etc, though I think Trump will hold Wisconsin as it has a below average African American population

dixiedean

Luckyguy1983 said:

HYUFD said:

Biden may have got higher ratings but he did not get much bounce, Trump will be better off if he gets a bounce even with a lower audience

I didn't watch either speech (not a masochist) but I heard Biden's was good, and judging by the lack of embedded Tweets with Trump gaffes, I'm guessing he did well too.

Yes. Although unusually he stuck to a prepared script.
Which is not his forte. A little stilted in delivery but absent the usual extreme batshittery.

Gallowgate

I did my original dissertation about using Python to control 3D printers back in 2010. Unsure if these skills will come in handy in my new legal career 🤓

Jonathan

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Polling in the DM, high support for getting rid of license fee criminalisation.

And so we will get to the inevitable privatisation of the BBC, as was the point in this entire story

The BBC licence fee is a poll tax and in these days is just out of date and wrong

Time to make the BBC compete on a level playing field with all the media

Nope. BBC is different. Tories have ideological objections and can never forgive a non privately owned, non commercial corporation being successful. Goes against their religion. They won’t be happy until it’s gone and the UK goes all Fox News.

Not at all.

11,000 plus pensioners pay just for Lineker and it cannot justify that taxpayers keep it afloat on a public subsidy

Furthermore two thirds of voters want the fee scrapped so not just 'tories'

Ask a silly question, get a silly answer. Ask people if they want income tax scrapped and see what they say.

You have an ideological dislike of the BBC, despite it correcting a clear market failure.

I have nothing of the sort but the licence fee is over and it seems two thirds of the public agree

You’ll be telling us you don’t subscribe to the Daily mail next. The right look at America with envious eyes and dream of Fox News UK. They may well have their way. God help us all.

Sunil_Prasannan

CorrectHorseBattery said:

If we decriminalise paying the license fee, sorry to state the obvious but will people then just not bother to pay it, knowing nothing will happen

Is it a crime NOT to pay a SKY subscription?

HYUFD

https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1299458940368048130?s=20

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1299436915012366336?s=20

Richard_Nabavi

https://twitter.com/moutajup/status/1299430781459271685

CorrectHorseBattery

Sunil_Prasannan said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

If we decriminalise paying the license fee, sorry to state the obvious but will people then just not bother to pay it, knowing nothing will happen

Is it a crime NOT to pay a SKY subscription?

No you miss my point, if you don't pay your Sky subscription you can't watch Sky, Sky cut the service off.

The BBC have no way of doing that, from what I understand, so if you decriminalise the fee, nothing can happen if you don't pay. You can watch TV forever with no payment.

I support decriminalisation BTW, I just can see the argument that it reduces their income.

Luckyguy1983

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Polling in the DM, high support for getting rid of license fee criminalisation.

And so we will get to the inevitable privatisation of the BBC, as was the point in this entire story

The BBC licence fee is a poll tax and in these days is just out of date and wrong

Time to make the BBC compete on a level playing field with all the media

Nope. BBC is different. Tories have ideological objections and can never forgive a non privately owned, non commercial corporation being successful. Goes against their religion. They won’t be happy until it’s gone and the UK goes all Fox News.

Not at all.

11,000 plus pensioners pay just for Lineker and it cannot justify that taxpayers keep it afloat on a public subsidy

Furthermore two thirds of voters want the fee scrapped so not just 'tories'

Ask a silly question, get a silly answer. Ask people if they want income tax scrapped and see what they say.

You have an ideological dislike of the BBC, despite it correcting a clear market failure.

As the organisation is, as you say, non-commercial, what's your measure of success? This is an organisation that is pumped full of public money every year - should it not, by now, be financially self-sufficient, or at least able to provide free licenses for the over 75s without shutting down channels?

CorrectHorseBattery

https://twitter.com/JLPartnersPolls/status/1299464495757225986

Full survey for BBC

Andy_JS

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

If we decriminalise paying the license fee, sorry to state the obvious but will people then just not bother to pay it, knowing nothing will happen

Is it a crime NOT to pay a SKY subscription?

No you miss my point, if you don't pay your Sky subscription you can't watch Sky, Sky cut the service off.

The BBC have no way of doing that, from what I understand, so if you decriminalise the fee, nothing can happen if you don't pay. You can watch TV forever with no payment.

I support decriminalisation BTW, I just can see the argument that it reduces their income.

The BBC need to think of a way of doing it. People should be able to watch other channels without paying the licence fee.

Jonathan

Richard_Nabavi said:

https://twitter.com/moutajup/status/1299430781459271685

Sacre Bleu. That said, death rates are quite different. It’s a puzzle.

Sandpit

On Topic - The headline figures are not counting online viewing, which it seems is more of a republican passtime.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/513507-first-night-of-gop-convention-delivers-nearly-six-times-more-views-than-start

Sunil_Prasannan

FPT

Casino_Royale said:

Casino Royale was by far and away the best.

Peter Sellers, David Niven and Woody Allen were brilliant

Joanna Pettet was very fetching in her Mata Hari costume!

CorrectHorseBattery

Andy_JS said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

If we decriminalise paying the license fee, sorry to state the obvious but will people then just not bother to pay it, knowing nothing will happen

Is it a crime NOT to pay a SKY subscription?

No you miss my point, if you don't pay your Sky subscription you can't watch Sky, Sky cut the service off.

The BBC have no way of doing that, from what I understand, so if you decriminalise the fee, nothing can happen if you don't pay. You can watch TV forever with no payment.

I support decriminalisation BTW, I just can see the argument that it reduces their income.

The BBC need to think of a way of doing it. People should be able to watch other channels without paying the licence fee.

I completely agree - but my point was that right now they don't have a way to stop it, I don't think.

If you plug an aerial into your TV, the BBC cannot stop you from watching BBC1. I don't see how they can ever stop it unless you have to ring them up to activate it, or some other such method.

rcs1000

HYUFD said:

rcs1000 said:

stodge said:

Trafalgar have a poll showing Trump up 47-45 in Michigan.

To be more accurate, Trump leads 46.6-45.2. Before the Democrat convention, he led 46.9-44.2 and after the Democrat convention, he led 46.5-45.6 so tiny changes with both Trump and Biden votes solid within the margin of error.

As I suspected, the conventions have made little or no difference (and I suspect the debate won't either). The US electorate is highly polarised and views are entrenched.

Only 3.6% are still undecided which is extraordinary so far from the election.I have no idea how representative the Trafalgar sampling is because I don't know enough about Michigan.

Trafalgar adjusts for shy Trump voters. How accurate that will be is the big question.

It was accurate in 2016, though they have had Biden up in Michigan earlier in the summer.

I also think Biden will pick up Michigan because it has an above average African American population and there will be higher black turnout this year after BLM and George Floyd etc, though I think Trump will hold Wisconsin as it has a below average African American population

Michigan and Wisconsin are the two states I think are the most likely Biden pickups, as they were struggling economically even before CV19.

CorrectHorseBattery

65% in favour of scrapping the license fee though, hard to refute that

Beibheirli_C

Sandpit said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Re: COBOL, I watched a YouTube video a few months ago which I recall said there is a big rush to have older folks (no disrespect intended) teaching us younger lot how to use it, as unfortunately - soon - most of them will die and take their knowledge to the grave.

Sadly haunting, I thought

I'm seriously thinking about getting into dead languages, COBOL and AS400 support.

You don't even need to be fantastic at it, when all the experienced guys are in their seventies and desperate to call it a day. Banks are paying the most ridiculous money to keep these guys from retirement, well into the four figure day rates and six figure salaries.

I turned down work in those recently. My COBOL is over 20 years old, the AS/400 I was involved with since its launch up to the mid-2000's. I just do not want to do programming any more.

Big_G_NorthWales

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Polling in the DM, high support for getting rid of license fee criminalisation.

And so we will get to the inevitable privatisation of the BBC, as was the point in this entire story

The BBC licence fee is a poll tax and in these days is just out of date and wrong

Time to make the BBC compete on a level playing field with all the media

Nope. BBC is different. Tories have ideological objections and can never forgive a non privately owned, non commercial corporation being successful. Goes against their religion. They won’t be happy until it’s gone and the UK goes all Fox News.

Not at all.

11,000 plus pensioners pay just for Lineker and it cannot justify that taxpayers keep it afloat on a public subsidy

Furthermore two thirds of voters want the fee scrapped so not just 'tories'

Ask a silly question, get a silly answer. Ask people if they want income tax scrapped and see what they say.

You have an ideological dislike of the BBC, despite it correcting a clear market failure.

I have nothing of the sort but the licence fee is over and it seems two thirds of the public agree

You’ll be telling us you don’t subscribe to the Daily mail next. The right look at America with envious eyes and dream of Fox News UK. They may well have their way. God help us all.

My wife subscribes to mail plus and I subscribe to Sky and Sky sports, BT sports, Amazon prime, Disney, and have just cancelled my Netflix sub

You are obsessed with Fox News which is a channel I never watch nor would I anymore than RT

Andy_JS

CorrectHorseBattery said:

65% in favour of scrapping the license fee though, hard to refute that

2 out of 4 TV channels were BBC channels when I started watching TV. You could justify the licence fee at that time.

CorrectHorseBattery

So here's a question, if Netflix wants to be "woke" does it as a private company have the right to offer whatever programming it wants?

Sandpit

eek said:

Sandpit said:

Foxy said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Polling in the DM, high support for getting rid of license fee criminalisation.

And so we will get to the inevitable privatisation of the BBC, as was the point in this entire story

Whilst popular with the PB Tories, I am not convinced that the end of the BBC will be popular with the older generation in the purple wall.

It won’t be the end of the BBC, simply the end of the BBC dragging tens of thousands of poor and elderly people through the criminal courts every year.

No they will just use debt collectors instead and degt collectors are far more likely to hassle people daily/ hourly until they pay up.

Apparently they've partnered with Crapita to start harassing pensioners.

Every other media outlet in the country is about to start running front pages on how that strategy plays out.

CorrectHorseBattery

https://twitter.com/JLPartnersPolls/status/1299466664803696640

HYUFD

rcs1000 said:

HYUFD said:

rcs1000 said:

stodge said:

Trafalgar have a poll showing Trump up 47-45 in Michigan.

To be more accurate, Trump leads 46.6-45.2. Before the Democrat convention, he led 46.9-44.2 and after the Democrat convention, he led 46.5-45.6 so tiny changes with both Trump and Biden votes solid within the margin of error.

As I suspected, the conventions have made little or no difference (and I suspect the debate won't either). The US electorate is highly polarised and views are entrenched.

Only 3.6% are still undecided which is extraordinary so far from the election.I have no idea how representative the Trafalgar sampling is because I don't know enough about Michigan.

Trafalgar adjusts for shy Trump voters. How accurate that will be is the big question.

It was accurate in 2016, though they have had Biden up in Michigan earlier in the summer.

I also think Biden will pick up Michigan because it has an above average African American population and there will be higher black turnout this year after BLM and George Floyd etc, though I think Trump will hold Wisconsin as it has a below average African American population

Michigan and Wisconsin are the two states I think are the most likely Biden pickups, as they were struggling economically even before CV19.

I agree on Michigan but I think Biden will pick up Pennsylvania, where he was born and Florida, which also has an above average African American population, before he picks up Wisconsin which had job growth at the US average last year

https://www.forbes.com/places/wi/#d55ea1223a16

Jonathan

Do we now get to pick and choose to pay taxes only towards the things we use of care about?

Richard_Nabavi

Jonathan said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

https://twitter.com/moutajup/status/1299430781459271685

Sacre Bleu. That said, death rates are quite different. It’s a puzzle.

Yes, although you need to adjust for the fact that there's a lot more testing now, so in France (as in the UK) they are no doubt detecting a larger proportion of the true number of cases than they were in March/April. Even allowing for that, though, the current increase in France is alarming.

As you say, the death rates are also puzzling. One just has to hope that it's not simply a case of a time-lag.

Jonathan

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Polling in the DM, high support for getting rid of license fee criminalisation.

And so we will get to the inevitable privatisation of the BBC, as was the point in this entire story

The BBC licence fee is a poll tax and in these days is just out of date and wrong

Time to make the BBC compete on a level playing field with all the media

Nope. BBC is different. Tories have ideological objections and can never forgive a non privately owned, non commercial corporation being successful. Goes against their religion. They won’t be happy until it’s gone and the UK goes all Fox News.

Not at all.

11,000 plus pensioners pay just for Lineker and it cannot justify that taxpayers keep it afloat on a public subsidy

Furthermore two thirds of voters want the fee scrapped so not just 'tories'

Ask a silly question, get a silly answer. Ask people if they want income tax scrapped and see what they say.

You have an ideological dislike of the BBC, despite it correcting a clear market failure.

I have nothing of the sort but the licence fee is over and it seems two thirds of the public agree

You’ll be telling us you don’t subscribe to the Daily mail next. The right look at America with envious eyes and dream of Fox News UK. They may well have their way. God help us all.

My wife subscribes to mail plus and I subscribe to Sky and Sky sports, BT sports, Amazon prime, Disney, and have just cancelled my Netflix sub

You are obsessed with Fox News which is a channel I never watch nor would I anymore than RT

You are obsessed with the licence fee.

rcs1000

HYUFD said:

rcs1000 said:

stodge said:

Trafalgar have a poll showing Trump up 47-45 in Michigan.

To be more accurate, Trump leads 46.6-45.2. Before the Democrat convention, he led 46.9-44.2 and after the Democrat convention, he led 46.5-45.6 so tiny changes with both Trump and Biden votes solid within the margin of error.

As I suspected, the conventions have made little or no difference (and I suspect the debate won't either). The US electorate is highly polarised and views are entrenched.

Only 3.6% are still undecided which is extraordinary so far from the election.I have no idea how representative the Trafalgar sampling is because I don't know enough about Michigan.

Trafalgar adjusts for shy Trump voters. How accurate that will be is the big question.

It was accurate in 2016, though they have had Biden up in Michigan earlier in the summer.

On the subject of Trafalgar, didn't they overstate Trump in every state? It led to them giving him the lead in (for example) Florida, but their forecast of a four point lead was a lot bigger than the actual 1.3% lead.

Big_G_NorthWales

CorrectHorseBattery said:

65% in favour of scrapping the license fee though, hard to refute that

77% for over 75's

Jonathan

Richard_Nabavi said:

Jonathan said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

https://twitter.com/moutajup/status/1299430781459271685

Sacre Bleu. That said, death rates are quite different. It’s a puzzle.

Yes, although you need to adjust for the fact that there's a lot more testing now, so in France (as in the UK) they are no doubt detecting a larger proportion of the true number of cases than they were in March/April. Even allowing for that, though, the current increase in France is alarming.

As you say, the death rates are also puzzling. One just has to hope that it's not simply a case of a time-lag.

Let’s hope this time we do not follow the continent, but the deviation between death rates and cases needs to be investigated. It’s striking.