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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381
    edited August 2020
    It hasn't been a great Covid performance. Dido to the rescue!

    Should Williamson go? Dido to the rescue?

    Oh and first.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,137
    As long as more Tory and Leave voters think Williamson should stay than he should go he will remain in post, especially as Swinney has not resigned in Scotland after a similar botch up
  • Where's the "he should never have been appointed in the first place"?

    Something about the tarantula loving Williamson gives me the heebie jeebies.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381
    HYUFD said:

    As long as more Tory and Leave voters think Williamson should stay than he should go he will remain in post, especially as Swinney has not resigned in Scotland after a similar botch up

    No point getting rid of a human shield.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868

    Where's the "he should never have been appointed in the first place"?

    Something about the tarantula loving Williamson gives me the heebie jeebies.

    He used to be the chief whip, difficult to get rid of because he knows where all the bodies are buried.
  • MaxPB said:

    Where's the "he should never have been appointed in the first place"?

    Something about the tarantula loving Williamson gives me the heebie jeebies.

    He used to be the chief whip, difficult to get rid of because he knows where all the bodies are buried.
    Didn't stop BoJo getting rid of Julian Smith.
  • MaxPB said:

    Where's the "he should never have been appointed in the first place"?

    Something about the tarantula loving Williamson gives me the heebie jeebies.

    He used to be the chief whip, difficult to get rid of because he knows where all the bodies are buried.
    He seems perfectly suited to the role of Chief Whip. Anything that involves creeping out MPs and he did a reasonable job at keeping them in line when he was in that position. Why send him out to speak to voters though? The whips office works for him, he should not be in a voter-facing Cabinet role.
  • It hasn't been a great Covid performance. Dido to the rescue!

    Should Williamson go? Dido to the rescue?

    Oh and first.

    She's "No Angel".
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868

    MaxPB said:

    Where's the "he should never have been appointed in the first place"?

    Something about the tarantula loving Williamson gives me the heebie jeebies.

    He used to be the chief whip, difficult to get rid of because he knows where all the bodies are buried.
    Didn't stop BoJo getting rid of Julian Smith.
    Supposedly Williamson was actually very good at it.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868

    MaxPB said:

    Where's the "he should never have been appointed in the first place"?

    Something about the tarantula loving Williamson gives me the heebie jeebies.

    He used to be the chief whip, difficult to get rid of because he knows where all the bodies are buried.
    He seems perfectly suited to the role of Chief Whip. Anything that involves creeping out MPs and he did a reasonable job at keeping them in line when he was in that position. Why send him out to speak to voters though? The whips office works for him, he should not be in a voter-facing Cabinet role.
    I'm not sure if the chief whip needs security clearance or to sit on the privy council, he would struggle with both because of his leaking of top secret material wrt Huawei when he was defence secretary.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,999

    It hasn't been a great Covid performance. Dido to the rescue!

    Should Williamson go? Dido to the rescue?

    Oh and first.

    Dido and the anus.
  • MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Where's the "he should never have been appointed in the first place"?

    Something about the tarantula loving Williamson gives me the heebie jeebies.

    He used to be the chief whip, difficult to get rid of because he knows where all the bodies are buried.
    Didn't stop BoJo getting rid of Julian Smith.
    Supposedly Williamson was actually very good at it.
    Give him the job back.
  • MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Where's the "he should never have been appointed in the first place"?

    Something about the tarantula loving Williamson gives me the heebie jeebies.

    He used to be the chief whip, difficult to get rid of because he knows where all the bodies are buried.
    He seems perfectly suited to the role of Chief Whip. Anything that involves creeping out MPs and he did a reasonable job at keeping them in line when he was in that position. Why send him out to speak to voters though? The whips office works for him, he should not be in a voter-facing Cabinet role.
    I'm not sure if the chief whip needs security clearance or to sit on the privy council, he would struggle with both because of his leaking of top secret material wrt Huawei when he was defence secretary.
    He's on the Privy Council already.
  • Oh thanks for all the Dido talk listening to No Angel for the first time in about 18 years (can't believe its been that long) - it really was a great album, it still sounds good.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,240
    edited August 2020
    Oh, and in "botch the omnishambles news", the government have explained what they're doing with GCSE results.

    On Thursday, schools will issue the grades they estimated. Meanwhile, Ofqual will run their model, and final results (which may go up from the school-issued grades) will be issued sometime next week...

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/gcse-and-a-level-students-to-receive-centre-assessment-grades

    Meanwhile, the ghost of Chris Grayling is trying to look at a camera and say "do you miss me yet?" Unfortunately, the camera is pointing the wrong way.
  • Gavin Williamson looks like his Dad leant him his suit for "take your child to work" day
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,836
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Where's the "he should never have been appointed in the first place"?

    Something about the tarantula loving Williamson gives me the heebie jeebies.

    He used to be the chief whip, difficult to get rid of because he knows where all the bodies are buried.
    Didn't stop BoJo getting rid of Julian Smith.
    Supposedly Williamson was actually very good at it.
    Wasnt his time as chief whip basically when half the cabinet and a third of the party was out to sabotage the PM? Not sure how a chief whip can be deemed good in that scenario.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,861
    edited August 2020
    I would say Williamson is one of the 20 worst current members of parliament and on that basis alone I think he should resign and make room for a better cabinet replacement. Unfortunately the other 19 that make up the 20 worst MPs are also in the cabinet.
  • MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Where's the "he should never have been appointed in the first place"?

    Something about the tarantula loving Williamson gives me the heebie jeebies.

    He used to be the chief whip, difficult to get rid of because he knows where all the bodies are buried.
    Didn't stop BoJo getting rid of Julian Smith.
    Supposedly Williamson was actually very good at it.
    Wasnt his time as chief whip basically when half the cabinet and a third of the party was out to sabotage the PM? Not sure how a chief whip can be deemed good in that scenario.
    No. That happened in 2018 after he left the Whips office. 2017 the Party was remarkably united, even after the disastrous election.
  • Gavin Williamson looks like he is one call away from turning up at reception asking for help finding his Mummy
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,411
    edited August 2020

    MaxPB said:

    Where's the "he should never have been appointed in the first place"?

    Something about the tarantula loving Williamson gives me the heebie jeebies.

    He used to be the chief whip, difficult to get rid of because he knows where all the bodies are buried.
    Didn't stop BoJo getting rid of Julian Smith.
    To be fair though. Julian Smith did only manage to get Stormont back up and running and win the respect of all sides in 204 days in Northern Ireland.
    Not a fair comparison with Williamson by any measure.
  • Oh its more from Captain Hindsight. Shame he didn't spot any incompetence in advance.

    The government have done the right thing, ultimately. That will never be enough for Captain Hindsight though.
  • Oh its more from Captain Hindsight. Shame he didn't spot any incompetence in advance.

    The government have done the right thing, ultimately. That will never be enough for Captain Hindsight though.

    Is this the new CCHQ line then?
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    Oh its more from Captain Hindsight. Shame he didn't spot any incompetence in advance.

    The government have done the right thing, ultimately. That will never be enough for Captain Hindsight though.

    Is this the new CCHQ line then?
    What, do you mean 'Captain Hindsight'? :lol:
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,836

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Where's the "he should never have been appointed in the first place"?

    Something about the tarantula loving Williamson gives me the heebie jeebies.

    He used to be the chief whip, difficult to get rid of because he knows where all the bodies are buried.
    Didn't stop BoJo getting rid of Julian Smith.
    Supposedly Williamson was actually very good at it.
    Wasnt his time as chief whip basically when half the cabinet and a third of the party was out to sabotage the PM? Not sure how a chief whip can be deemed good in that scenario.
    No. That happened in 2018 after he left the Whips office. 2017 the Party was remarkably united, even after the disastrous election.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Conservative_Party_leadership_election

    According to wiki, Davis, Johnson, and Hammond were battling for the leadership "in a battle that could tear the government apart" in 2017, resulting in May having to announce her resignation date. One of Davis' allies was organising letters to force a contest. Johnson set out his own vision of Brexit which was different to the PMs.

    If the PM has to announce her forthcoming resignation with the senior cabinet members openly plotting against her, that is not a party where the chief whip is doing well.
  • Oh its more from Captain Hindsight. Shame he didn't spot any incompetence in advance.

    The government have done the right thing, ultimately. That will never be enough for Captain Hindsight though.

    Is this the new CCHQ line then?
    No line, I have no connection with CCHQ. Would I have just spent the last couple of days attacking the government and calling for a u-turn if I did?

    Its funny. Called him it a few times in the past month but now its really taking the piss, he really is taking this Hindsight malarkey to whole new levels: attacking the government for doing what his own party also did and which he had nothing to say against until now - what a farce.

    It should be enough that the news is showing clips of Williamson apologising for this, but no he needs to keep on digging. Why? He's banging on now that the problem has been there for months but so has he and he's had NOTHING to say about it until now.

    Keir Starmer's origin story:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzWq2qWbTpo
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    He used to be at Deutsche Bank, and did a pretty good job there too. I also doubt that Javid has any pull left. This is JP paying for a name to sit on some nothing advisory board.

    It does, however, give us quite a big insight that Javid has given up his leadership ambitions.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,775
    edited August 2020
    Is the programme that bbc2 are currently airing 'the trial of alex salmond' a new broadcast?

    What a horrible thing. A complete witch-hunt, and of a person found innocent of witchery.

  • MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Where's the "he should never have been appointed in the first place"?

    Something about the tarantula loving Williamson gives me the heebie jeebies.

    He used to be the chief whip, difficult to get rid of because he knows where all the bodies are buried.
    Didn't stop BoJo getting rid of Julian Smith.
    Supposedly Williamson was actually very good at it.
    Wasnt his time as chief whip basically when half the cabinet and a third of the party was out to sabotage the PM? Not sure how a chief whip can be deemed good in that scenario.
    No. That happened in 2018 after he left the Whips office. 2017 the Party was remarkably united, even after the disastrous election.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Conservative_Party_leadership_election

    According to wiki, Davis, Johnson, and Hammond were battling for the leadership "in a battle that could tear the government apart" in 2017, resulting in May having to announce her resignation date. One of Davis' allies was organising letters to force a contest. Johnson set out his own vision of Brexit which was different to the PMs.

    If the PM has to announce her forthcoming resignation with the senior cabinet members openly plotting against her, that is not a party where the chief whip is doing well.
    Not in 2017, none of that happened in 2017.

    May announced her resignation date in 2019 not 2017. The letters were organised in 2018 not 2017. Johnson's alternative vision was in 2018 not 2017.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited August 2020
    Ding! Ding! Ding!

    This is what I was saying. I was calling for a u-turn before the Leader of the Opposition. What the actual f**k. He needs to start opposing in advance and not just be Captain Hindsight.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,481
    Scott_xP said:
    No they aren't, they're shit.

    That awful Cummings mask that didn't even work being a case in point. What even is this one?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,836

    Oh its more from Captain Hindsight. Shame he didn't spot any incompetence in advance.

    The government have done the right thing, ultimately. That will never be enough for Captain Hindsight though.

    Is this the new CCHQ line then?
    No line, I have no connection with CCHQ. Would I have just spent the last couple of days attacking the government and calling for a u-turn if I did?

    Its funny. Called him it a few times in the past month but now its really taking the piss, he really is taking this Hindsight malarkey to whole new levels: attacking the government for doing what his own party also did and which he had nothing to say against until now - what a farce.

    It should be enough that the news is showing clips of Williamson apologising for this, but no he needs to keep on digging. Why? He's banging on now that the problem has been there for months but so has he and he's had NOTHING to say about it until now.

    Keir Starmer's origin story:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzWq2qWbTpo
    Labour have no need to offer anything other than looking competent at the moment.

    If the govt performs well or even averagely they get re-elected regardless of how wonderful Labour might be.

    If the govt performs badly they would still get re-elected if Labour are perceived as Corbynite nutters, but would fall as long as people think Labour are a safe pair of hands, however little they have said about anything.

    I think their strategy of pointing out govt failures without getting bogged down in offering alternatives plays to the percentages.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,210
    MaxPB said:

    He used to be at Deutsche Bank, and did a pretty good job there too. I also doubt that Javid has any pull left. This is JP paying for a name to sit on some nothing advisory board.

    It does, however, give us quite a big insight that Javid has given up his leadership ambitions.
    What normally happens is that these "advisors" speak at conferences and to select clients about their view of the world.

    It's the finance version of becoming an after dinner speaker.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,288
    Lest we forget, we have still have the September schools' return to successfully complete.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,719
    Scott_xP said:
    I missed out on this one. Where was the job advertised? Perhaps up Cummings rectum?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    edited August 2020
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    He used to be at Deutsche Bank, and did a pretty good job there too. I also doubt that Javid has any pull left. This is JP paying for a name to sit on some nothing advisory board.

    It does, however, give us quite a big insight that Javid has given up his leadership ambitions.
    What normally happens is that these "advisors" speak at conferences and to select clients about their view of the world.

    It's the finance version of becoming an after dinner speaker.
    Exactly, it will be "oh look JP have got a former chancellor giving a speech/lecture". Makes the elite clients feel valued, I guess.

    We tried to get Kaz Hirai now that he's fully stepped down from Sony, but he didn't want to do it apparently.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,836
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    He used to be at Deutsche Bank, and did a pretty good job there too. I also doubt that Javid has any pull left. This is JP paying for a name to sit on some nothing advisory board.

    It does, however, give us quite a big insight that Javid has given up his leadership ambitions.
    What normally happens is that these "advisors" speak at conferences and to select clients about their view of the world.

    It's the finance version of becoming an after dinner speaker.
    Not to mention a very effective and impossible to stop "bribe" to any existing and future cabinet member knowing they will be looked after financially when they leave the cabinet if they look after the bankers.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,002
    Pro_Rata said:

    Lest we forget, we have still have the September schools' return to successfully complete.

    https://twitter.com/tamcohen/status/1295465652044681218

    https://twitter.com/tamcohen/status/1295465879967334400
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:
    I missed out on this one. Where was the job advertised? Perhaps up Cummings rectum?
    Is she one of the misfits and weirdos that Cummings wants running Britain?
  • Oh its more from Captain Hindsight. Shame he didn't spot any incompetence in advance.

    The government have done the right thing, ultimately. That will never be enough for Captain Hindsight though.

    Is this the new CCHQ line then?
    No line, I have no connection with CCHQ. Would I have just spent the last couple of days attacking the government and calling for a u-turn if I did?

    Its funny. Called him it a few times in the past month but now its really taking the piss, he really is taking this Hindsight malarkey to whole new levels: attacking the government for doing what his own party also did and which he had nothing to say against until now - what a farce.

    It should be enough that the news is showing clips of Williamson apologising for this, but no he needs to keep on digging. Why? He's banging on now that the problem has been there for months but so has he and he's had NOTHING to say about it until now.

    Keir Starmer's origin story:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzWq2qWbTpo
    Labour have no need to offer anything other than looking competent at the moment.

    If the govt performs well or even averagely they get re-elected regardless of how wonderful Labour might be.

    If the govt performs badly they would still get re-elected if Labour are perceived as Corbynite nutters, but would fall as long as people think Labour are a safe pair of hands, however little they have said about anything.

    I think their strategy of pointing out govt failures without getting bogged down in offering alternatives plays to the percentages.
    If you have nothing to say until after the fact I'm not sure how competent you'll look. Labour don't even need to give alternative solutions - even calling for change in advance would be enough.

    Having flagged something as an issue in advance means when it blows up you're taken far more seriously. That isn't happening.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695

    Oh its more from Captain Hindsight. Shame he didn't spot any incompetence in advance.

    The government have done the right thing, ultimately. That will never be enough for Captain Hindsight though.

    He warned the government a week ago that they needed to change course on this one.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,851
    MaxPB said:

    He used to be at Deutsche Bank, and did a pretty good job there too. I also doubt that Javid has any pull left. This is JP paying for a name to sit on some nothing advisory board.

    It does, however, give us quite a big insight that Javid has given up his leadership ambitions.
    An investment banker who did a good job pre-2010? It's possible I suppose.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,481
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    He used to be at Deutsche Bank, and did a pretty good job there too. I also doubt that Javid has any pull left. This is JP paying for a name to sit on some nothing advisory board.

    It does, however, give us quite a big insight that Javid has given up his leadership ambitions.
    What normally happens is that these "advisors" speak at conferences and to select clients about their view of the world.

    It's the finance version of becoming an after dinner speaker.
    Exactly, it will be "oh look JP have got a former chancellor giving a speech/lecture".
    It would also be rather naive to think that when in office, politicians are not well aware of the lucrative speaking engagements and advisory positions that may follow decisions made in the favour of certain companies. Not saying that that's the case here, because I don't think Javid was Chancellor long enough to make any.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,002
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    Scott_xP said:
    Brutal. And from the Mail.

    Tory backbenchers will be on WhatsApp tonight.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,411

    Scott_xP said:
    No they aren't, they're shit.

    That awful Cummings mask that didn't even work being a case in point. What even is this one?
    Doesn't matter. The Star attracts an audience with zero interest in politics.
    If it is leading on a political story it means folk are talking about it. Folk who don't talk about politics as a rule.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,719

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    He used to be at Deutsche Bank, and did a pretty good job there too. I also doubt that Javid has any pull left. This is JP paying for a name to sit on some nothing advisory board.

    It does, however, give us quite a big insight that Javid has given up his leadership ambitions.
    What normally happens is that these "advisors" speak at conferences and to select clients about their view of the world.

    It's the finance version of becoming an after dinner speaker.
    Not to mention a very effective and impossible to stop "bribe" to any existing and future cabinet member knowing they will be looked after financially when they leave the cabinet if they look after the bankers.
    Absolutely. you scratch my back and i will scratch yours.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,316

    Oh its more from Captain Hindsight. Shame he didn't spot any incompetence in advance.

    The government have done the right thing, ultimately. That will never be enough for Captain Hindsight though.

    Is this the new CCHQ line then?
    No line, I have no connection with CCHQ. Would I have just spent the last couple of days attacking the government and calling for a u-turn if I did?

    Its funny. Called him it a few times in the past month but now its really taking the piss, he really is taking this Hindsight malarkey to whole new levels: attacking the government for doing what his own party also did and which he had nothing to say against until now - what a farce.

    It should be enough that the news is showing clips of Williamson apologising for this, but no he needs to keep on digging. Why? He's banging on now that the problem has been there for months but so has he and he's had NOTHING to say about it until now.

    Keir Starmer's origin story:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzWq2qWbTpo
    As I pointed out on the last thread, OFQual flatly refused to publicise their grading model before the results were published. The stats academics who asked to see it were informed that they would have to sign five year NDAs (5!) if they wanted access.

    Accusing Starner of acting in hindsight by criticising the grading model before the results were published of hindsight seems a bit rich. How exactly is he supposed to have critiqued a model that no one had access to except OFQual & DofE insiders?
  • Oh its more from Captain Hindsight. Shame he didn't spot any incompetence in advance.

    The government have done the right thing, ultimately. That will never be enough for Captain Hindsight though.

    He warned the government a week ago that they needed to change course on this one.
    So not before the story was already explosive on the news then?

    And he didn't think to speak to the Government his party runs in Wales? Whose First Minister is still standing by the system but saying they're only changing because the English have?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,836
    edited August 2020

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Where's the "he should never have been appointed in the first place"?

    Something about the tarantula loving Williamson gives me the heebie jeebies.

    He used to be the chief whip, difficult to get rid of because he knows where all the bodies are buried.
    Didn't stop BoJo getting rid of Julian Smith.
    Supposedly Williamson was actually very good at it.
    Wasnt his time as chief whip basically when half the cabinet and a third of the party was out to sabotage the PM? Not sure how a chief whip can be deemed good in that scenario.
    No. That happened in 2018 after he left the Whips office. 2017 the Party was remarkably united, even after the disastrous election.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Conservative_Party_leadership_election

    According to wiki, Davis, Johnson, and Hammond were battling for the leadership "in a battle that could tear the government apart" in 2017, resulting in May having to announce her resignation date. One of Davis' allies was organising letters to force a contest. Johnson set out his own vision of Brexit which was different to the PMs.

    If the PM has to announce her forthcoming resignation with the senior cabinet members openly plotting against her, that is not a party where the chief whip is doing well.
    Not in 2017, none of that happened in 2017.

    May announced her resignation date in 2019 not 2017. The letters were organised in 2018 not 2017. Johnson's alternative vision was in 2018 not 2017.
    There are plenty of contemporaneous links on wiki in 2017, here is the 15 Sept 2017 BJ article

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/15/exclusive-boris-johnson-yes-will-take-back-350m-eu-nhs/

    If you want to think wiki is making it all up fine.
  • Phil said:

    Oh its more from Captain Hindsight. Shame he didn't spot any incompetence in advance.

    The government have done the right thing, ultimately. That will never be enough for Captain Hindsight though.

    Is this the new CCHQ line then?
    No line, I have no connection with CCHQ. Would I have just spent the last couple of days attacking the government and calling for a u-turn if I did?

    Its funny. Called him it a few times in the past month but now its really taking the piss, he really is taking this Hindsight malarkey to whole new levels: attacking the government for doing what his own party also did and which he had nothing to say against until now - what a farce.

    It should be enough that the news is showing clips of Williamson apologising for this, but no he needs to keep on digging. Why? He's banging on now that the problem has been there for months but so has he and he's had NOTHING to say about it until now.

    Keir Starmer's origin story:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzWq2qWbTpo
    As I pointed out on the last thread, OFQual flatly refused to publicise their grading model before the results were published. The stats academics who asked to see it were informed that they would have to sign five year NDAs (5!) if they wanted access.

    Accusing Starner of acting in hindsight by criticising the grading model before the results were published of hindsight seems a bit rich. How exactly is he supposed to have critiqued a model that no one had access to except OFQual & DofE insiders?
    If he'd had any concerns whatsoever he could have said that exams were too important an issue to be subjected to an unscrutinised and unpublished model.

    Instead the Education Unions and the Labour Party Government endorsed it, until his Hindsight abilities took over.
  • MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Where's the "he should never have been appointed in the first place"?

    Something about the tarantula loving Williamson gives me the heebie jeebies.

    He used to be the chief whip, difficult to get rid of because he knows where all the bodies are buried.
    Didn't stop BoJo getting rid of Julian Smith.
    Supposedly Williamson was actually very good at it.
    Wasnt his time as chief whip basically when half the cabinet and a third of the party was out to sabotage the PM? Not sure how a chief whip can be deemed good in that scenario.
    No. That happened in 2018 after he left the Whips office. 2017 the Party was remarkably united, even after the disastrous election.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Conservative_Party_leadership_election

    According to wiki, Davis, Johnson, and Hammond were battling for the leadership "in a battle that could tear the government apart" in 2017, resulting in May having to announce her resignation date. One of Davis' allies was organising letters to force a contest. Johnson set out his own vision of Brexit which was different to the PMs.

    If the PM has to announce her forthcoming resignation with the senior cabinet members openly plotting against her, that is not a party where the chief whip is doing well.
    Not in 2017, none of that happened in 2017.

    May announced her resignation date in 2019 not 2017. The letters were organised in 2018 not 2017. Johnson's alternative vision was in 2018 not 2017.
    There are plenty of contemporaneous links on wiki in 2017, here is the 15 Sept 2017 BJ article

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/15/exclusive-boris-johnson-yes-will-take-back-350m-eu-nhs/

    If you want to think wiki is making it all up fine.
    That article wasn't running against May's policy, he was still in the Cabinet at that time. The £350m was government policy accepted by May so no it wasn't Johnson running against her.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,836
    edited August 2020

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:
    I missed out on this one. Where was the job advertised? Perhaps up Cummings rectum?
    Is she one of the misfits and weirdos that Cummings wants running Britain?
    Yes indeed. Daughter of a Lord, granddaughter of a Field Marshal, educated at Leweston, PPE from Oxford - a total outsider who will really shake the establishment elite.
    I think when Boris heard there was a shortage of PPE he might have got confused and thought people wanted yet more PPE alumni to run the country.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,851
    I suspect swotty Starmar can't quite bring himself to celebrate kids being given qualifications based on back of a fag packet calculations. It IS very difficult but I just wonder if there was something else that might have been done.

    I once briefly worked for the international baccalaureate. You had schools from all over the world. If a school's performance was markedly up or down over a year we would flag it. Some teacher's (not the majority) marking and predictions were a little eccentric shall we say. Generally on the up side. If you aren't sure whether to predict a B or a C which way do you think they go?

    I feel sorry for people who sat A levels last year who have a taken a gap year and won't be going to as good universities as worse students with particularly generous teachers.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    Scott_xP said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Lest we forget, we have still have the September schools' return to successfully complete.

    https://twitter.com/tamcohen/status/1295465652044681218

    https://twitter.com/tamcohen/status/1295465879967334400
    Do we think the schools reopening will go smoothly, betting people?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,929
    edited August 2020
    William Hague compares A-level to the poll tax:

    This pattern of a flawed starting assumption and perfectly rational decisions that flowed from it has been once again plain to see in the debacle of the A-level results.
    ... [huge snippage]
    In a striking parallel to the poll tax, the overall outcome was broadly defensible but the individual impact was not.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/17/a-levels-debacle-threatened-another-poll-tax-moment-tories/
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,836

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Where's the "he should never have been appointed in the first place"?

    Something about the tarantula loving Williamson gives me the heebie jeebies.

    He used to be the chief whip, difficult to get rid of because he knows where all the bodies are buried.
    Didn't stop BoJo getting rid of Julian Smith.
    Supposedly Williamson was actually very good at it.
    Wasnt his time as chief whip basically when half the cabinet and a third of the party was out to sabotage the PM? Not sure how a chief whip can be deemed good in that scenario.
    No. That happened in 2018 after he left the Whips office. 2017 the Party was remarkably united, even after the disastrous election.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Conservative_Party_leadership_election

    According to wiki, Davis, Johnson, and Hammond were battling for the leadership "in a battle that could tear the government apart" in 2017, resulting in May having to announce her resignation date. One of Davis' allies was organising letters to force a contest. Johnson set out his own vision of Brexit which was different to the PMs.

    If the PM has to announce her forthcoming resignation with the senior cabinet members openly plotting against her, that is not a party where the chief whip is doing well.
    Not in 2017, none of that happened in 2017.

    May announced her resignation date in 2019 not 2017. The letters were organised in 2018 not 2017. Johnson's alternative vision was in 2018 not 2017.
    There are plenty of contemporaneous links on wiki in 2017, here is the 15 Sept 2017 BJ article

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/15/exclusive-boris-johnson-yes-will-take-back-350m-eu-nhs/

    If you want to think wiki is making it all up fine.
    That article wasn't running against May's policy, he was still in the Cabinet at that time. The £350m was government policy accepted by May so no it wasn't Johnson running against her.
    This is silly. On the 18th September 2017 the pair exchanged:

    "The prime minister delivered a modest slap on the foreign secretary's wrist: "Boris is Boris", "this government is driven from the front".

    Mr Johnson allowed himself a modicum of self-abasement: "There is only one driver in this car... and it is Theresa.""

    Clearly they were divided and it was a threat to her, a successful threat in the end even if it dragged on for two years. Im out.
  • William Hague compares A-level to the poll tax:

    This pattern of a flawed starting assumption and perfectly rational decisions that flowed from it has been once again plain to see in the debacle of the A-level results.
    ... [huge snippage]
    In a striking parallel to the poll tax, the overall outcome was broadly defensible but the individual impact was not.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/17/a-levels-debacle-threatened-another-poll-tax-moment-tories/

    Agreed 100%

    Thankfully the government saw sense and swiftly ended this rather than digging their heels in like Thatcher did with the poll tax.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695

    Oh its more from Captain Hindsight. Shame he didn't spot any incompetence in advance.

    The government have done the right thing, ultimately. That will never be enough for Captain Hindsight though.

    He warned the government a week ago that they needed to change course on this one.
    So not before the story was already explosive on the news then?

    And he didn't think to speak to the Government his party runs in Wales? Whose First Minister is still standing by the system but saying they're only changing because the English have?
    It's very amusing to see you desparately looking for anyone to blame but the Tories for yet another government fuck-up. :smile:
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,002

    Do we think the schools reopening will go smoothly, betting people?

    No
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,316

    Phil said:

    Oh its more from Captain Hindsight. Shame he didn't spot any incompetence in advance.

    The government have done the right thing, ultimately. That will never be enough for Captain Hindsight though.

    Is this the new CCHQ line then?
    No line, I have no connection with CCHQ. Would I have just spent the last couple of days attacking the government and calling for a u-turn if I did?

    Its funny. Called him it a few times in the past month but now its really taking the piss, he really is taking this Hindsight malarkey to whole new levels: attacking the government for doing what his own party also did and which he had nothing to say against until now - what a farce.

    It should be enough that the news is showing clips of Williamson apologising for this, but no he needs to keep on digging. Why? He's banging on now that the problem has been there for months but so has he and he's had NOTHING to say about it until now.

    Keir Starmer's origin story:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzWq2qWbTpo
    As I pointed out on the last thread, OFQual flatly refused to publicise their grading model before the results were published. The stats academics who asked to see it were informed that they would have to sign five year NDAs (5!) if they wanted access.

    Accusing Starner of acting in hindsight by criticising the grading model before the results were published of hindsight seems a bit rich. How exactly is he supposed to have critiqued a model that no one had access to except OFQual & DofE insiders?
    If he'd had any concerns whatsoever he could have said that exams were too important an issue to be subjected to an unscrutinised and unpublished model.

    Instead the Education Unions and the Labour Party Government endorsed it, until his Hindsight abilities took over.
    Thank you for the correction Philip! In the same vein I look forward to everything that goes wrong with Brexit after Jan 1st 2020 also being Labour’s fault. After all, they should have known what the government was planning and told them it wasn’t going to work beforehand!
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,851

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:
    I missed out on this one. Where was the job advertised? Perhaps up Cummings rectum?
    Is she one of the misfits and weirdos that Cummings wants running Britain?
    Yes indeed. Daughter of a Lord, granddaughter of a Field Marshal, educated at Leweston, PPE from Oxford - a total outsider who will really shake the establishment elite.
    Not just any PPE - according to wiki she studied alongside Cameron under Vernon Bogdanor. Perhaps we need a film made - The Class of '85 or something.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,836
    Foxy said:

    One thing that really does strike me is what a piss-poor judge of people Johnson is. This is really the most feeble cabinet in living memory, full of quarterwits, but then we see who he thinks deserves a seat in the upper house, and now a critical role controlling our response to the pandemic. As long as they kiss his arse they are in.

    Indeed. We don't need hindsight to understand that the next things the likes of Williamson, Raab, Grayling, Harding touch are unlikely to be any better than the rest of their shambolic careers, regardless of how "sound" they are in supporting the PM and Brexit.
  • At some point, these continuous cock ups have got to hurt the Tory lead, even if Labour does nothing. The Tories must surely lose points. Am I mad?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695

    William Hague compares A-level to the poll tax:

    This pattern of a flawed starting assumption and perfectly rational decisions that flowed from it has been once again plain to see in the debacle of the A-level results.
    ... [huge snippage]
    In a striking parallel to the poll tax, the overall outcome was broadly defensible but the individual impact was not.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/17/a-levels-debacle-threatened-another-poll-tax-moment-tories/

    Agreed 100%

    Thankfully the government saw sense and swiftly ended this rather than digging their heels in like Thatcher did with the poll tax.
    'Swift' would have been a week ago. They clearly tried to brazen it out and failed miserably - as we all knew they would.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    Foxy said:

    One thing that really does strike me is what a piss-poor judge of people Johnson is. This is really the most feeble cabinet in living memory, full of quarterwits, but then we see who he thinks deserves a seat in the upper house, and now a critical role controlling our response to the pandemic. As long as they kiss his arse they are in.

    Yep. You've got the measure of it.

    Hunt is remarkable quiet this week...
  • Phil said:

    Phil said:

    Oh its more from Captain Hindsight. Shame he didn't spot any incompetence in advance.

    The government have done the right thing, ultimately. That will never be enough for Captain Hindsight though.

    Is this the new CCHQ line then?
    No line, I have no connection with CCHQ. Would I have just spent the last couple of days attacking the government and calling for a u-turn if I did?

    Its funny. Called him it a few times in the past month but now its really taking the piss, he really is taking this Hindsight malarkey to whole new levels: attacking the government for doing what his own party also did and which he had nothing to say against until now - what a farce.

    It should be enough that the news is showing clips of Williamson apologising for this, but no he needs to keep on digging. Why? He's banging on now that the problem has been there for months but so has he and he's had NOTHING to say about it until now.

    Keir Starmer's origin story:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzWq2qWbTpo
    As I pointed out on the last thread, OFQual flatly refused to publicise their grading model before the results were published. The stats academics who asked to see it were informed that they would have to sign five year NDAs (5!) if they wanted access.

    Accusing Starner of acting in hindsight by criticising the grading model before the results were published of hindsight seems a bit rich. How exactly is he supposed to have critiqued a model that no one had access to except OFQual & DofE insiders?
    If he'd had any concerns whatsoever he could have said that exams were too important an issue to be subjected to an unscrutinised and unpublished model.

    Instead the Education Unions and the Labour Party Government endorsed it, until his Hindsight abilities took over.
    Thank you for the correction Philip! In the same vein I look forward to everything that goes wrong with Brexit after Jan 1st 2020 also being Labour’s fault. After all, they should have known what the government was planning and told them it wasn’t going to work beforehand!
    Labour have been attacking Tory Brexit policies for years, that's not the same thing at all!

    On this they had nothing whatsoever to say, so should just let the government own the u-turn and STFU rather than keep digging. Hope the media ignores Labour's complicity in this.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    If Williamson is not resigned for this , the mind boggles what someone has to do to lose their cabinet job.

    Scrub that, all you have to do is question Cummings. Poor Javid. I wonder if Don will let him back when Williamson finally goes.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487
    Williamson won't go. Boris will make sure of it.

    He's doing to take down the Union and the Conservative Party with him.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:
    I missed out on this one. Where was the job advertised? Perhaps up Cummings rectum?
    Is she one of the misfits and weirdos that Cummings wants running Britain?
    Yes indeed. Daughter of a Lord, granddaughter of a Field Marshal, educated at Leweston, PPE from Oxford - a total outsider who will really shake the establishment elite.
    Not just any PPE - according to wiki she studied alongside Cameron under Vernon Bogdanor. Perhaps we need a film made - The Class of '85 or something.
    Also according to wiki:

    She is married to Conservative Party Member of Parliament John Penrose, who sits on the advisory board of think tank "1828" which calls for "the NHS to be replaced by an insurance system and for Public Health England to be scrapped."

    I think I can see where this one is headed.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,836

    At some point, these continuous cock ups have got to hurt the Tory lead, even if Labour does nothing. The Tories must surely lose points. Am I mad?

    The next election is most likely in 2024, have patience. Either they will improve, in which case its fine, or if they continue to cock up their lead will sap away, but it may not happen sharply whilst we are still in a global crisis.
  • At some point, these continuous cock ups have got to hurt the Tory lead, even if Labour does nothing. The Tories must surely lose points. Am I mad?

    If there was an alternative government-in-waiting with alternative ideas then that might make it tougher for the government.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,316

    At some point, these continuous cock ups have got to hurt the Tory lead, even if Labour does nothing. The Tories must surely lose points. Am I mad?

    Nothing is going to change on that front until Brexit is done & dusted. The Tory vote consists of core Tories & the Brexiteers who have lent them their vote to 'get Brexit done'. After January 2021 the latter’s votes might be back in play, but for the moment Johnson is their man and they’re sticking by him.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    edited August 2020

    At some point, these continuous cock ups have got to hurt the Tory lead, even if Labour does nothing. The Tories must surely lose points. Am I mad?

    No - it amazes me it has not already happened

    If I was a conservative mp my letter would be written just waiting for a date in early new year post brexit
  • At some point, these continuous cock ups have got to hurt the Tory lead, even if Labour does nothing. The Tories must surely lose points. Am I mad?

    No - it amazes me it has not already happened

    If I was a conservative mp my letter would be written just waiting for a date in early new year post brexit
    My respect grows for you G.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,137
    edited August 2020

    Williamson won't go. Boris will make sure of it.

    He's doing to take down the Union and the Conservative Party with him.

    Why should it take down the Union when the Scottish government made exactly the same errors and Swinney is also facing calls to resign?

    More Tory voters also think Williamson should stay than go
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,316
    Foxy said:

    One thing that really does strike me is what a piss-poor judge of people Johnson is. This is really the most feeble cabinet in living memory, full of quarterwits, but then we see who he thinks deserves a seat in the upper house, and now a critical role controlling our response to the pandemic. As long as they kiss his arse they are in.

    Again, it’s Brexit derangement syndrome. Brexit has warped British politics & until it’s done and dusted one way or another there’s no hope of things going back to normal.

    Johnson’s criteria for cabinet membership was: a) absolute loyalty to Johnson and b) total commitment to whatever Brexit Johnson deems as Brexit.

    This left a rather short list of “talent” to choose from.
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