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  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure whether this is a spoof or not.

    https://twitter.com/EdwardLeighMP/status/1292781286231289857

    It's just a ploy to get me to rejoin the Tory Party.
    The migrant crisis: all Bloody Mary's fault.
    I will not support rejoining the EU unless France agrees to honour the Treaty of Troyes.
    I’ll settle for Picquigny if I can have a lifetime supply of wine and venison pasties.

    Her Maj can keep the ten grand a year.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,877
    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    If PB has been hacked, how can we be assured of the safety of our login details. @MikeSmithson was your SQL db compromised?

    (1) We don't store your usernames/password, that's Vanilla.

    (2) The hacker used an old Wordpress account that should been deleted. They then uploaded a plugin that enabled them to upload/delete files in wwwroot. They then deleted the website. They didn't get access to the DB (or indeed any kind of root or shell access).
    Why bother? Someone who lost a ton of money betting on politics recently?
    It was clearly Dominic Cummings and Gavin Williamson behind the hack.

    They nuked my thread about the looming A Levels fiasco, and it is no coincidence that the hack took place on the day of the A Level results.
    If Gavin Williamson tried to hack PB, mumsnet would go down.
    What would happen if Chris Grayling hacked PB? All typewriters stop working?
    We would all be surprised that chris grayling managed to actually turn on a computer without electrocuting himself? Let alone hack anything. Frankly I wouldn't trust him with 2 sticks else he would rub them together and set the universe alight
  • ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure whether this is a spoof or not.

    https://twitter.com/EdwardLeighMP/status/1292781286231289857

    Clearly not a spoof but rather a witty way to make the sensible suggestion to "pay France a few million" for their help.

    More importantly, where is modern day 'Larien' (between Arundel and Dover on the map)? Could it be Rye?
    Probably. It was originally from French La Rive, ‘the strand’ although I don’t know why it would be spelled Larien.
    One that I like is "Cales" for Calais, which shows how Englishwomen & men said it BEFORE the pure argot was corrupted by proto-EUism.
  • ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure whether this is a spoof or not.

    https://twitter.com/EdwardLeighMP/status/1292781286231289857

    It's just a ploy to get me to rejoin the Tory Party.
    The migrant crisis: all Bloody Mary's fault.
    I will not support rejoining the EU unless France agrees to honour the Treaty of Troyes.
    I’ll settle for Picquigny if I can have a lifetime supply of wine and venison pasties.

    Her Maj can keep the ten grand a year.
    I've never tried venison, every time I see it on a restaurant menu I'm shocked at the price of venison and I think to myself 'Well that's a little dear.'
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    edited August 2020
    RobD said:

    Is it safe to come out yet?

    Don't worry, it's been socially acceptable for quite a while now.
    Reminds me of the (no doubt apocryphal, sadly):

    Straight son texts his mother who lives on the Costa del Sol "I am planning to come out at the weekend Mum"

    Mother replies "Good for you dear, well done. We always knew you were gay!"
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure whether this is a spoof or not.

    https://twitter.com/EdwardLeighMP/status/1292781286231289857

    It's just a ploy to get me to rejoin the Tory Party.
    The migrant crisis: all Bloody Mary's fault.
    I will not support rejoining the EU unless France agrees to honour the Treaty of Troyes.
    I’ll settle for Picquigny if I can have a lifetime supply of wine and venison pasties.

    Her Maj can keep the ten grand a year.
    I've never tried venison, every time I see it on a restaurant menu I'm shocked at the price of venison and I think to myself 'Well that's a little dear.'
    I can see that would leave you be hind in your culinary education.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure whether this is a spoof or not.

    https://twitter.com/EdwardLeighMP/status/1292781286231289857

    It's just a ploy to get me to rejoin the Tory Party.
    The migrant crisis: all Bloody Mary's fault.
    I will not support rejoining the EU unless France agrees to honour the Treaty of Troyes.
    Oh now come on, the EU is all about compromise and good neighbourliness, surely?

    If the gave us back Normandy, Brittany, Anjou, Maine, Touraine, Blois and Aquitaine then surely that would be quite sufficient?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,222
    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure whether this is a spoof or not.

    https://twitter.com/EdwardLeighMP/status/1292781286231289857

    It's just a ploy to get me to rejoin the Tory Party.
    The migrant crisis: all Bloody Mary's fault.
    I will not support rejoining the EU unless France agrees to honour the Treaty of Troyes.
    I’ll settle for Picquigny if I can have a lifetime supply of wine and venison pasties.

    Her Maj can keep the ten grand a year.
    Even if we hadn’t lost Calais, Charles II wou”d have sold it along with a Dunkirk.
    That port sailed long ago.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,213
    rcs1000 said:

    Which means Biden is doing worse that any challenger than beat an incumbent, and better than any challenger who lost...
    The challengers that won were
    - Carter (+26.6%)
    - Clinton (+19.3%)

    So, he's a long way behind those guys. (Although '92 is a bit of a special election given Perot.)

    But he's a long way ahead of people who came close - like Romney, and Kerry.

    It's also interesting to note that Clinton and Carter both had much narrower wins than their position 82 days from the election would have suggested. (Although the timings of the conventions may also have distorted things somewht.)
  • Andy_JS said:

    Not sure whether this is a spoof or not.

    https://twitter.com/EdwardLeighMP/status/1292781286231289857

    It's just a ploy to get me to rejoin the Tory Party.
    The migrant crisis: all Bloody Mary's fault.
    I will not support rejoining the EU unless France agrees to honour the Treaty of Troyes.
    Oh now come on, the EU is all about compromise and good neighbourliness, surely?

    If the gave us back Normandy, Brittany, Anjou, Maine, Touraine, Blois and Aquitaine then surely that would be quite sufficient?
    I could live with that.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    RobD said:

    Is it safe to come out yet?

    Don't worry, it's been socially acceptable for quite a while now.
    Reminds me of the (no doubt apocryphal, sadly):

    Straight son texts his mother who lives on the Costa del Sol "I am planning to come out at the weekend Mum"

    Mother replies "Good for you dear, well done. We always knew you were gay!"
    Many years ago, I did find myself in that sort of situation when the Vicar of the church where I was organist came out to a number of people, including me and his bishop.

    My reply was, ‘I’ve always wondered whether everyone knew you were gay and didn’t care, or whether it was just extremely obvious.’

    He said of all the responses, that was his favourite because it made him laugh so much.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I still find it incredible that the England death rate is down to under 10 per day by death date, if this information had been revealed sooner how much more economically confident would individuals and businesses feel? I think the PHE has cost us 2-3% of the recovery and necessitated schemes like eat out to help out, it was such a bad decision not to have an end date of the virus and their protests and trying to force a 60 day measure was awful. Glad that the DoH has stood firm and insisted on the internationally comparable measure rather than something cooked up to make everyone stay home to "protect the NHS".

    " “The ideology of zero risk is dangerous,” says Yonathan Freund, a Sorbonne professor and Editor of the European Journal of Emergency Medicine "

    Telegraph
    The problem is that most of the lay population believes in zero risk. Too many subjects have been affected by this delusion. People no longer use sensible cost-benefit analysis (NICE does, when deciding what NHS procedures to allow).
    I don't think so, but the risk of death has been massively overstated for the last 2 to 3 months which has weighed on people's confidence to go out and spend money. As I said, if it was common knowledge that only around 20 people per day were dying of COVID and not 80 as was previously reported people would have been more ready to go out. Not just that the death rate has been stuck at around 50 per day for weeks which is another signal of "this hasn't gone away, we should still stay indoors".
    I'm not so sure about this. Most people are not staying indoors - they are out and about. The exception is the old and/or vulnerable who are still being cautious, and have been since mid March. But perhaps the number of deaths would have been sustained at a higher level if this group were not still being cautious.
    And there's also a good chance that they'll carry on being this cautious indefinitely. Indeed, quite possibly, permanently.

    The longer that some people keep on pretending that it's April, are too afraid to go out anywhere unless forced to grocery shop, and keep on sitting at home and adopting other chronic self-isolator habits like disinfecting and quarantining their parcels until they're convinced any contamination has been removed, the harder they are going to find it ever to return to life as it was previously lived.

    Fast forward another year or two and there'll still be a significant cohort of the terrified, shuffling into supermarkets once a week at eight o'clock in the morning wearing masks and gloves, and spending the rest of their lives shut up at home. It will have become such an entrenched habit that they'll no longer be able to help themselves.
    This is clearly a polemic, yet speaks to a truth. There is a portion of the population that is terrified beyond all rationality. This group is not merely composed of the elderly and infirm: it includes some of the young and fit, who are statically more likely to come a cropper by falling down their own stairs than being struck down by Covid.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,222
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    We've had issues before but Robert has always come through for us whether it be hacks, DDOS attacks, server capacity issues, blah, blah, blah.

    He is indeed a mensch.

    Even if I still can’t log into the main site.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure whether this is a spoof or not.

    https://twitter.com/EdwardLeighMP/status/1292781286231289857

    It's just a ploy to get me to rejoin the Tory Party.
    The migrant crisis: all Bloody Mary's fault.
    I will not support rejoining the EU unless France agrees to honour the Treaty of Troyes.
    Oh now come on, the EU is all about compromise and good neighbourliness, surely?

    If the gave us back Normandy, Brittany, Anjou, Maine, Touraine, Blois and Aquitaine then surely that would be quite sufficient?
    I could live with that.
    You could live with them not giving back Gascony? :hushed:
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,222

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure whether this is a spoof or not.

    https://twitter.com/EdwardLeighMP/status/1292781286231289857

    It's just a ploy to get me to rejoin the Tory Party.
    The migrant crisis: all Bloody Mary's fault.
    I will not support rejoining the EU unless France agrees to honour the Treaty of Troyes.
    I’ll settle for Picquigny if I can have a lifetime supply of wine and venison pasties.

    Her Maj can keep the ten grand a year.
    I've never tried venison, every time I see it on a restaurant menu I'm shocked at the price of venison and I think to myself 'Well that's a little dear.'
    It’s never that many bucks, though.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Which means Biden is doing worse that any challenger than beat an incumbent, and better than any challenger who lost...
    The challengers that won were
    - Carter (+26.6%)
    - Clinton (+19.3%)

    So, he's a long way behind those guys. (Although '92 is a bit of a special election given Perot.)

    But he's a long way ahead of people who came close - like Romney, and Kerry.

    It's also interesting to note that Clinton and Carter both had much narrower wins than their position 82 days from the election would have suggested. (Although the timings of the conventions may also have distorted things somewht.)
    Yes, I don’t think those numbers tell us much. I think Biden needs to be 3-4 points further ahead to be confident.
  • ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure whether this is a spoof or not.

    https://twitter.com/EdwardLeighMP/status/1292781286231289857

    It's just a ploy to get me to rejoin the Tory Party.
    The migrant crisis: all Bloody Mary's fault.
    I will not support rejoining the EU unless France agrees to honour the Treaty of Troyes.
    Oh now come on, the EU is all about compromise and good neighbourliness, surely?

    If the gave us back Normandy, Brittany, Anjou, Maine, Touraine, Blois and Aquitaine then surely that would be quite sufficient?
    I could live with that.
    You could live with them not giving back Gascony? :hushed:
    I'm an incrementalist, I know Gascony would eventually want to join us.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure whether this is a spoof or not.

    https://twitter.com/EdwardLeighMP/status/1292781286231289857

    It's just a ploy to get me to rejoin the Tory Party.
    The migrant crisis: all Bloody Mary's fault.
    I will not support rejoining the EU unless France agrees to honour the Treaty of Troyes.
    I’ll settle for Picquigny if I can have a lifetime supply of wine and venison pasties.

    Her Maj can keep the ten grand a year.
    I've never tried venison, every time I see it on a restaurant menu I'm shocked at the price of venison and I think to myself 'Well that's a little dear.'
    It’s never that many bucks, though.
    Atroecious pun.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Pagan2 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I still find it incredible that the England death rate is down to under 10 per day by death date, if this information had been revealed sooner how much more economically confident would individuals and businesses feel? I think the PHE has cost us 2-3% of the recovery and necessitated schemes like eat out to help out, it was such a bad decision not to have an end date of the virus and their protests and trying to force a 60 day measure was awful. Glad that the DoH has stood firm and insisted on the internationally comparable measure rather than something cooked up to make everyone stay home to "protect the NHS".

    " “The ideology of zero risk is dangerous,” says Yonathan Freund, a Sorbonne professor and Editor of the European Journal of Emergency Medicine "

    Telegraph
    The problem is that most of the lay population believes in zero risk. Too many subjects have been affected by this delusion. People no longer use sensible cost-benefit analysis (NICE does, when deciding what NHS procedures to allow).
    I don't think so, but the risk of death has been massively overstated for the last 2 to 3 months which has weighed on people's confidence to go out and spend money. As I said, if it was common knowledge that only around 20 people per day were dying of COVID and not 80 as was previously reported people would have been more ready to go out. Not just that the death rate has been stuck at around 50 per day for weeks which is another signal of "this hasn't gone away, we should still stay indoors".
    I'm not so sure about this. Most people are not staying indoors - they are out and about. The exception is the old and/or vulnerable who are still being cautious, and have been since mid March. But perhaps the number of deaths would have been sustained at a higher level if this group were not still being cautious.
    And there's also a good chance that they'll carry on being this cautious indefinitely. Indeed, quite possibly, permanently.

    The longer that some people keep on pretending that it's April, are too afraid to go out anywhere unless forced to grocery shop, and keep on sitting at home and adopting other chronic self-isolator habits like disinfecting and quarantining their parcels until they're convinced any contamination has been removed, the harder they are going to find it ever to return to life as it was previously lived.

    Fast forward another year or two and there'll still be a significant cohort of the terrified, shuffling into supermarkets once a week at eight o'clock in the morning wearing masks and gloves, and spending the rest of their lives shut up at home. It will have become such an entrenched habit that they'll no longer be able to help themselves.
    I have a friend like that sadly, He is wfh but desperately wants to get back to the office but he is still at the point he won't have you in the garden even at 2m distance. I have no idea how he will get back to normal. His office is open but optional so its not a can't its a won't because he is too scared
    And the end state for some of these people is going to be a really serious OCD-like disorder. The terror of contagion will come to dominate all else, and they'll become hermits.
  • Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure whether this is a spoof or not.

    https://twitter.com/EdwardLeighMP/status/1292781286231289857

    It's just a ploy to get me to rejoin the Tory Party.
    The migrant crisis: all Bloody Mary's fault.
    I will not support rejoining the EU unless France agrees to honour the Treaty of Troyes.
    I’ll settle for Picquigny if I can have a lifetime supply of wine and venison pasties.

    Her Maj can keep the ten grand a year.
    I've never tried venison, every time I see it on a restaurant menu I'm shocked at the price of venison and I think to myself 'Well that's a little dear.'
    It’s never that many bucks, though.
    Enjoyed it on my stag nite.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure whether this is a spoof or not.

    https://twitter.com/EdwardLeighMP/status/1292781286231289857

    It's just a ploy to get me to rejoin the Tory Party.
    The migrant crisis: all Bloody Mary's fault.
    I will not support rejoining the EU unless France agrees to honour the Treaty of Troyes.
    I’ll settle for Picquigny if I can have a lifetime supply of wine and venison pasties.

    Her Maj can keep the ten grand a year.
    I've never tried venison, every time I see it on a restaurant menu I'm shocked at the price of venison and I think to myself 'Well that's a little dear.'
    It’s never that many bucks, though.
    Doe!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    edited August 2020

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure whether this is a spoof or not.

    https://twitter.com/EdwardLeighMP/status/1292781286231289857

    It's just a ploy to get me to rejoin the Tory Party.
    The migrant crisis: all Bloody Mary's fault.
    I will not support rejoining the EU unless France agrees to honour the Treaty of Troyes.
    I’ll settle for Picquigny if I can have a lifetime supply of wine and venison pasties.

    Her Maj can keep the ten grand a year.
    I've never tried venison, every time I see it on a restaurant menu I'm shocked at the price of venison and I think to myself 'Well that's a little dear.'
    It’s never that many bucks, though.
    Enjoyed it on my stag nite.
    Nite? Nite!?

    Wash your mouth out sir!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482
    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure whether this is a spoof or not.

    https://twitter.com/EdwardLeighMP/status/1292781286231289857

    It's just a ploy to get me to rejoin the Tory Party.
    The migrant crisis: all Bloody Mary's fault.
    I will not support rejoining the EU unless France agrees to honour the Treaty of Troyes.
    I’ll settle for Picquigny if I can have a lifetime supply of wine and venison pasties.

    Her Maj can keep the ten grand a year.
    Tut tut using that word. You'll be talking about 'watermelon smiles' in a minute.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,222
    edited August 2020
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Which means Biden is doing worse that any challenger than beat an incumbent, and better than any challenger who lost...
    The challengers that won were
    - Carter (+26.6%)
    - Clinton (+19.3%)

    So, he's a long way behind those guys. (Although '92 is a bit of a special election given Perot.)

    But he's a long way ahead of people who came close - like Romney, and Kerry.

    It's also interesting to note that Clinton and Carter both had much narrower wins than their position 82 days from the election would have suggested. (Although the timings of the conventions may also have distorted things somewht.)
    Was not the propensity to switch, or consider switching parties much greater back in those days, though ?
  • rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Which means Biden is doing worse that any challenger than beat an incumbent, and better than any challenger who lost...
    The challengers that won were
    - Carter (+26.6%)
    - Clinton (+19.3%)

    So, he's a long way behind those guys. (Although '92 is a bit of a special election given Perot.)

    But he's a long way ahead of people who came close - like Romney, and Kerry.

    It's also interesting to note that Clinton and Carter both had much narrower wins than their position 82 days from the election would have suggested. (Although the timings of the conventions may also have distorted things somewht.)
    In a way 1976 was a baffling result.

    Not that Carter won but that he only won so narrowly.

    After Watergate, defeat in Vietnam and the mid 70s recession it should have been as one sided as 1932 was or as 1980 would be.
  • rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Which means Biden is doing worse that any challenger than beat an incumbent, and better than any challenger who lost...
    The challengers that won were
    - Carter (+26.6%)
    - Clinton (+19.3%)

    So, he's a long way behind those guys. (Although '92 is a bit of a special election given Perot.)

    But he's a long way ahead of people who came close - like Romney, and Kerry.

    It's also interesting to note that Clinton and Carter both had much narrower wins than their position 82 days from the election would have suggested. (Although the timings of the conventions may also have distorted things somewht.)
    Timing of conventions viz-a-viz polling definitely a major factor.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,222

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure whether this is a spoof or not.

    https://twitter.com/EdwardLeighMP/status/1292781286231289857

    It's just a ploy to get me to rejoin the Tory Party.
    The migrant crisis: all Bloody Mary's fault.
    I will not support rejoining the EU unless France agrees to honour the Treaty of Troyes.
    I’ll settle for Picquigny if I can have a lifetime supply of wine and venison pasties.

    Her Maj can keep the ten grand a year.
    I've never tried venison, every time I see it on a restaurant menu I'm shocked at the price of venison and I think to myself 'Well that's a little dear.'
    It’s never that many bucks, though.
    Atroecious pun.
    I’m stag-gered you didn’t like it.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Not sure whether this is a spoof or not.

    https://twitter.com/EdwardLeighMP/status/1292781286231289857

    It's just a ploy to get me to rejoin the Tory Party.
    Troyes Party?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure whether this is a spoof or not.

    https://twitter.com/EdwardLeighMP/status/1292781286231289857

    It's just a ploy to get me to rejoin the Tory Party.
    The migrant crisis: all Bloody Mary's fault.
    I will not support rejoining the EU unless France agrees to honour the Treaty of Troyes.
    I’ll settle for Picquigny if I can have a lifetime supply of wine and venison pasties.

    Her Maj can keep the ten grand a year.
    Tut tut using that word. You'll be talking about 'watermelon smiles' in a minute.
    Louis XI didn’t serve watermelons at Picquigny. Only pasties and wine.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I still find it incredible that the England death rate is down to under 10 per day by death date, if this information had been revealed sooner how much more economically confident would individuals and businesses feel? I think the PHE has cost us 2-3% of the recovery and necessitated schemes like eat out to help out, it was such a bad decision not to have an end date of the virus and their protests and trying to force a 60 day measure was awful. Glad that the DoH has stood firm and insisted on the internationally comparable measure rather than something cooked up to make everyone stay home to "protect the NHS".

    " “The ideology of zero risk is dangerous,” says Yonathan Freund, a Sorbonne professor and Editor of the European Journal of Emergency Medicine "

    Telegraph
    The problem is that most of the lay population believes in zero risk. Too many subjects have been affected by this delusion. People no longer use sensible cost-benefit analysis (NICE does, when deciding what NHS procedures to allow).
    I don't think so, but the risk of death has been massively overstated for the last 2 to 3 months which has weighed on people's confidence to go out and spend money. As I said, if it was common knowledge that only around 20 people per day were dying of COVID and not 80 as was previously reported people would have been more ready to go out. Not just that the death rate has been stuck at around 50 per day for weeks which is another signal of "this hasn't gone away, we should still stay indoors".
    I'm not so sure about this. Most people are not staying indoors - they are out and about. The exception is the old and/or vulnerable who are still being cautious, and have been since mid March. But perhaps the number of deaths would have been sustained at a higher level if this group were not still being cautious.
    And there's also a good chance that they'll carry on being this cautious indefinitely. Indeed, quite possibly, permanently.

    The longer that some people keep on pretending that it's April, are too afraid to go out anywhere unless forced to grocery shop, and keep on sitting at home and adopting other chronic self-isolator habits like disinfecting and quarantining their parcels until they're convinced any contamination has been removed, the harder they are going to find it ever to return to life as it was previously lived.

    Fast forward another year or two and there'll still be a significant cohort of the terrified, shuffling into supermarkets once a week at eight o'clock in the morning wearing masks and gloves, and spending the rest of their lives shut up at home. It will have become such an entrenched habit that they'll no longer be able to help themselves.
    This is clearly a polemic, yet speaks to a truth. There is a portion of the population that is terrified beyond all rationality. This group is not merely composed of the elderly and infirm: it includes some of the young and fit, who are statically more likely to come a cropper by falling down their own stairs than being struck down by Covid.
    I agree - some people have been frightened well beyond what logic should indicate - including a handful of young couples I can think of. There is more afoot than fear though - quite a bit of "Ooh look what a good citizen I am" and "We haven`t been out for months you know .. we`re so concerned for the vulnerable people". Yeah ... a lot of that about. They always tell you, of course.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure whether this is a spoof or not.

    https://twitter.com/EdwardLeighMP/status/1292781286231289857

    It's just a ploy to get me to rejoin the Tory Party.
    The migrant crisis: all Bloody Mary's fault.
    I will not support rejoining the EU unless France agrees to honour the Treaty of Troyes.
    I’ll settle for Picquigny if I can have a lifetime supply of wine and venison pasties.

    Her Maj can keep the ten grand a year.
    Even if we hadn’t lost Calais, Charles II wou”d have sold it along with a Dunkirk.
    That port sailed long ago.
    Land engagements on the continent are a crap idea. They've always been a crap idea. Being an island and having a good Navy - good idea.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure whether this is a spoof or not.

    https://twitter.com/EdwardLeighMP/status/1292781286231289857

    It's just a ploy to get me to rejoin the Tory Party.
    The migrant crisis: all Bloody Mary's fault.
    I will not support rejoining the EU unless France agrees to honour the Treaty of Troyes.
    I’ll settle for Picquigny if I can have a lifetime supply of wine and venison pasties.

    Her Maj can keep the ten grand a year.
    I've never tried venison, every time I see it on a restaurant menu I'm shocked at the price of venison and I think to myself 'Well that's a little dear.'
    It’s never that many bucks, though.
    Atroecious pun.
    I’m stag-gered you didn’t like it.
    That doesn’t fallow from his comment.
  • ydoethur said:

    Ugh, thank God Corbynism was so comprehensively rejected last year.

    https://twitter.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/1293955838491713543

    Surely a more logical answer if A levels discriminate against the poorest would be to abolish exams?
    What are exams for? In the past they gave useful information to employers but if now they are just gateways (or gatekeepers) to the next stage of education, do we really need them? It is the sort of question you'd have thought Dominic Cummings might have asked at Education. Maybe he did.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    edited August 2020
    Great picture on the BBC site:

    image

    US calls for shower rules to be eased after Trump hair complaints

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53761744
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,222
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure whether this is a spoof or not.

    https://twitter.com/EdwardLeighMP/status/1292781286231289857

    It's just a ploy to get me to rejoin the Tory Party.
    The migrant crisis: all Bloody Mary's fault.
    I will not support rejoining the EU unless France agrees to honour the Treaty of Troyes.
    I’ll settle for Picquigny if I can have a lifetime supply of wine and venison pasties.

    Her Maj can keep the ten grand a year.
    Tut tut using that word. You'll be talking about 'watermelon smiles' in a minute.
    Louis XI didn’t serve watermelons at Picquigny. Only pasties and wine.
    That was the dress code ?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure whether this is a spoof or not.

    https://twitter.com/EdwardLeighMP/status/1292781286231289857

    It's just a ploy to get me to rejoin the Tory Party.
    The migrant crisis: all Bloody Mary's fault.
    I will not support rejoining the EU unless France agrees to honour the Treaty of Troyes.
    I’ll settle for Picquigny if I can have a lifetime supply of wine and venison pasties.

    Her Maj can keep the ten grand a year.
    I've never tried venison, every time I see it on a restaurant menu I'm shocked at the price of venison and I think to myself 'Well that's a little dear.'
    It’s delicious and very cheap to buy if you live near a hunting area, as I do. The trick is to pan fry it very rare - then augment with a Cumberland sauce or some other wild fruit based accompaniment.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    ydoethur said:

    Ugh, thank God Corbynism was so comprehensively rejected last year.

    https://twitter.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/1293955838491713543

    Surely a more logical answer if A levels discriminate against the poorest would be to abolish exams?
    What are exams for? In the past they gave useful information to employers but if now they are just gateways (or gatekeepers) to the next stage of education, do we really need them? It is the sort of question you'd have thought Dominic Cummings might have asked at Education. Maybe he did.
    Dominic Cummings asked two questions at Education:

    1) Is there anyone here who doesn’t think I’m awesome?

    2) How soon can you clear out your desk?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    Great picture on the BBC site:

    image

    US calls for shower rules to be eased after Trump hair complaints

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53761744

    Let’s hope it’s hair today, gone tomorrow.
  • DjayMDjayM Posts: 21
    STILL the crappiest comment system in place.....
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    If PB has been hacked, how can we be assured of the safety of our login details. @MikeSmithson was your SQL db compromised?

    Vanilla is a separate platform. I doubt the main site even knows what your login is, not to mention your password.
    Thanks for the confirmation. I've changed my password regardless.
    You mean speculation, right? Good idea.. even if it hasn't been compromised.
    Oh I assumed you knew for sure. No worries.

    Luckily for me I use different passwords on every site and I use a password manager, so I am unlikely to have any other accounts compromised.
    Can someone educate me re: password manager. How do I get one? Does it cost?" Which one is best? Are there any downsides?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    edited August 2020
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure whether this is a spoof or not.

    https://twitter.com/EdwardLeighMP/status/1292781286231289857

    It's just a ploy to get me to rejoin the Tory Party.
    The migrant crisis: all Bloody Mary's fault.
    I will not support rejoining the EU unless France agrees to honour the Treaty of Troyes.
    I’ll settle for Picquigny if I can have a lifetime supply of wine and venison pasties.

    Her Maj can keep the ten grand a year.
    Tut tut using that word. You'll be talking about 'watermelon smiles' in a minute.
    Louis XI didn’t serve watermelons at Picquigny. Only pasties and wine.
    That was the dress code ?
    The dress code was Edward IV would agree to wear one crown, not two.
  • Good news: total Covid patients remaining in UK hospitals are now down below 1,000 for the first time since March 21st. Touchwood, there's still no sign from either these or the triage figures of a resurgence.

    They do seem to be counting things differently between England, Wales and Scotland.

    And they messed up the Midlands numbers last week.

    But as you say good news.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    Great picture on the BBC site:

    image

    US calls for shower rules to be eased after Trump hair complaints

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53761744

    Have you got the link
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,222
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure whether this is a spoof or not.

    https://twitter.com/EdwardLeighMP/status/1292781286231289857

    It's just a ploy to get me to rejoin the Tory Party.
    The migrant crisis: all Bloody Mary's fault.
    I will not support rejoining the EU unless France agrees to honour the Treaty of Troyes.
    I’ll settle for Picquigny if I can have a lifetime supply of wine and venison pasties.

    Her Maj can keep the ten grand a year.
    I've never tried venison, every time I see it on a restaurant menu I'm shocked at the price of venison and I think to myself 'Well that's a little dear.'
    It’s never that many bucks, though.
    Atroecious pun.
    I’m stag-gered you didn’t like it.
    That doesn’t fallow from his comment.
    Perhaps I did take it too much to hart.
  • So that the highest ever awarded grades coincided with nearly 40% of predicted grades being downgraded.

    Doesn't that make teacher prediction of grades as reliable as an estate agent's valuation ?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695

    Great picture on the BBC site:

    image

    US calls for shower rules to be eased after Trump hair complaints

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53761744

    Have you got the link
    Image: https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/41FB/production/_113919861_hi045965426.jpg

    Page:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53761744

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,002
    Stocky said:

    Can someone educate me re: password manager. How do I get one? Does it cost?" Which one is best? Are there any downsides?

    If you are on a PC, I use password safe. It's free, or you can donate.
  • rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Which means Biden is doing worse that any challenger than beat an incumbent, and better than any challenger who lost...
    The challengers that won were
    - Carter (+26.6%)
    - Clinton (+19.3%)

    So, he's a long way behind those guys. (Although '92 is a bit of a special election given Perot.)

    But he's a long way ahead of people who came close - like Romney, and Kerry.

    It's also interesting to note that Clinton and Carter both had much narrower wins than their position 82 days from the election would have suggested. (Although the timings of the conventions may also have distorted things somewht.)
    In a way 1976 was a baffling result.

    Not that Carter won but that he only won so narrowly.

    After Watergate, defeat in Vietnam and the mid 70s recession it should have been as one sided as 1932 was or as 1980 would be.
    1974 was marked by strong anti-Watergate backlash against the Republicans. By 1976 the GOP was starting to recover, as was the US economy.

    As Election Day loomed, doubts about Jimmy Carter were stirring in many minds, including among Democrats, partly due to a few gaffes but mostly because until the nomination campaign he was virtually unknown, and had zero federal elected experience.

    On the other hand, Republicans were starting to "come home", and Ford won respect and votes for his dodged campaigning in the face of seemingly long odds. Unfortunately for him, his momentum was slowed - though not stopped - by his "Poland is not dominated by the Soviet Union" gaffe during one of his debates with Carter. Which may have cost him the election; note many analysts concluded after the election that, if the vote had been taken two weeks, Ford would have won.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited August 2020

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure whether this is a spoof or not.

    https://twitter.com/EdwardLeighMP/status/1292781286231289857

    It's just a ploy to get me to rejoin the Tory Party.
    The migrant crisis: all Bloody Mary's fault.
    I will not support rejoining the EU unless France agrees to honour the Treaty of Troyes.
    I’ll settle for Picquigny if I can have a lifetime supply of wine and venison pasties.

    Her Maj can keep the ten grand a year.
    I've never tried venison, every time I see it on a restaurant menu I'm shocked at the price of venison and I think to myself 'Well that's a little dear.'
    Someone I used to work with was out after work for a meal with clients and asked the waiter what Venison was, he said it was dear, and he goes "Its alright, its on the company!"
  • rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Which means Biden is doing worse that any challenger than beat an incumbent, and better than any challenger who lost...
    The challengers that won were
    - Carter (+26.6%)
    - Clinton (+19.3%)

    So, he's a long way behind those guys. (Although '92 is a bit of a special election given Perot.)

    But he's a long way ahead of people who came close - like Romney, and Kerry.

    It's also interesting to note that Clinton and Carter both had much narrower wins than their position 82 days from the election would have suggested. (Although the timings of the conventions may also have distorted things somewht.)
    In a way 1976 was a baffling result.

    Not that Carter won but that he only won so narrowly.

    After Watergate, defeat in Vietnam and the mid 70s recession it should have been as one sided as 1932 was or as 1980 would be.
    1974 was marked by strong anti-Watergate backlash against the Republicans. By 1976 the GOP was starting to recover, as was the US economy.

    As Election Day loomed, doubts about Jimmy Carter were stirring in many minds, including among Democrats, partly due to a few gaffes but mostly because until the nomination campaign he was virtually unknown, and had zero federal elected experience.

    On the other hand, Republicans were starting to "come home", and Ford won respect and votes for his dodged campaigning in the face of seemingly long odds. Unfortunately for him, his momentum was slowed - though not stopped - by his "Poland is not dominated by the Soviet Union" gaffe during one of his debates with Carter. Which may have cost him the election; note many analysts concluded after the election that, if the vote had been taken two weeks, Ford would have won.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    Stocky said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    If PB has been hacked, how can we be assured of the safety of our login details. @MikeSmithson was your SQL db compromised?

    Vanilla is a separate platform. I doubt the main site even knows what your login is, not to mention your password.
    Thanks for the confirmation. I've changed my password regardless.
    You mean speculation, right? Good idea.. even if it hasn't been compromised.
    Oh I assumed you knew for sure. No worries.

    Luckily for me I use different passwords on every site and I use a password manager, so I am unlikely to have any other accounts compromised.
    Can someone educate me re: password manager. How do I get one? Does it cost?" Which one is best? Are there any downsides?
    Don't most browsers have one built in? Safari certainly does, and with iCloud it links across all devices.

    How secure it all is worries me at times but then using the same password everywhere or writing a list of all you individual passwords is hardly secure either.
  • Good news: total Covid patients remaining in UK hospitals are now down below 1,000 for the first time since March 21st. Touchwood, there's still no sign from either these or the triage figures of a resurgence.

    They do seem to be counting things differently between England, Wales and Scotland.

    And they messed up the Midlands numbers last week.

    But as you say good news.
    Possibly more good news is that covid symptoms app predictor is now at its lowest level:

    https://covid.joinzoe.com/data#levels-over-time

    Especially so as it suggested a rise in infections in July.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,222
    Pagan2 said:

    Stocky said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I still find it incredible that the England death rate is down to under 10 per day by death date, if this information had been revealed sooner how much more economically confident would individuals and businesses feel? I think the PHE has cost us 2-3% of the recovery and necessitated schemes like eat out to help out, it was such a bad decision not to have an end date of the virus and their protests and trying to force a 60 day measure was awful. Glad that the DoH has stood firm and insisted on the internationally comparable measure rather than something cooked up to make everyone stay home to "protect the NHS".

    " “The ideology of zero risk is dangerous,” says Yonathan Freund, a Sorbonne professor and Editor of the European Journal of Emergency Medicine "

    Telegraph
    The problem is that most of the lay population believes in zero risk. Too many subjects have been affected by this delusion. People no longer use sensible cost-benefit analysis (NICE does, when deciding what NHS procedures to allow).
    I don't think so, but the risk of death has been massively overstated for the last 2 to 3 months which has weighed on people's confidence to go out and spend money. As I said, if it was common knowledge that only around 20 people per day were dying of COVID and not 80 as was previously reported people would have been more ready to go out. Not just that the death rate has been stuck at around 50 per day for weeks which is another signal of "this hasn't gone away, we should still stay indoors".
    I'm not so sure about this. Most people are not staying indoors - they are out and about. The exception is the old and/or vulnerable who are still being cautious, and have been since mid March. But perhaps the number of deaths would have been sustained at a higher level if this group were not still being cautious.
    And there's also a good chance that they'll carry on being this cautious indefinitely. Indeed, quite possibly, permanently.

    The longer that some people keep on pretending that it's April, are too afraid to go out anywhere unless forced to grocery shop, and keep on sitting at home and adopting other chronic self-isolator habits like disinfecting and quarantining their parcels until they're convinced any contamination has been removed, the harder they are going to find it ever to return to life as it was previously lived.

    Fast forward another year or two and there'll still be a significant cohort of the terrified, shuffling into supermarkets once a week at eight o'clock in the morning wearing masks and gloves, and spending the rest of their lives shut up at home. It will have become such an entrenched habit that they'll no longer be able to help themselves.
    This is clearly a polemic, yet speaks to a truth. There is a portion of the population that is terrified beyond all rationality. This group is not merely composed of the elderly and infirm: it includes some of the young and fit, who are statically more likely to come a cropper by falling down their own stairs than being struck down by Covid.
    I agree - some people have been frightened well beyond what logic should indicate - including a handful of young couples I can think of. There is more afoot than fear though - quite a bit of "Ooh look what a good citizen I am" and "We haven`t been out for months you know .. we`re so concerned for the vulnerable people". Yeah ... a lot of that about. They always tell you, of course.
    There is a caveat to that though. We know some who get covid go end up with life changing debilitation. I don't know what that figure is and I don't know how it looks across age cohorts as I have never seen that data published.

    We seem fairly sure the cfr is between 0.1 and 1.0 percent.

    However if the percentage of people who get symptomatic covid and are left with potential morbities is 50% or 10% or 5% matters a lot. I am surprised this data hasnt been published
    Principally because no one knows what it is.
    Working that out is going to take quite some time - though it seems as though something like a quarter to a third of those infected suffer some kind of post viral syndrome (of greatly varying degrees of severity).
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222
    edited August 2020

    So that the highest ever awarded grades coincided with nearly 40% of predicted grades being downgraded.

    Doesn't that make teacher prediction of grades as reliable as an estate agent's valuation ?

    Schools were always going to try it on. I can`t believe how naive Ofqual as been. No, actually I can.

    It`s the age old free rider problem, I guess. "Others will definitely push their luck, and If we don`t push our luck we will be disdvantaged mugs, so we better push our luck". School league tables are so important these days.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487
    Well done to @rcs1000
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 597

    Pagan2 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I still find it incredible that the England death rate is down to under 10 per day by death date, if this information had been revealed sooner how much more economically confident would individuals and businesses feel? I think the PHE has cost us 2-3% of the recovery and necessitated schemes like eat out to help out, it was such a bad decision not to have an end date of the virus and their protests and trying to force a 60 day measure was awful. Glad that the DoH has stood firm and insisted on the internationally comparable measure rather than something cooked up to make everyone stay home to "protect the NHS".

    " “The ideology of zero risk is dangerous,” says Yonathan Freund, a Sorbonne professor and Editor of the European Journal of Emergency Medicine "

    Telegraph
    The problem is that most of the lay population believes in zero risk. Too many subjects have been affected by this delusion. People no longer use sensible cost-benefit analysis (NICE does, when deciding what NHS procedures to allow).
    I don't think so, but the risk of death has been massively overstated for the last 2 to 3 months which has weighed on people's confidence to go out and spend money. As I said, if it was common knowledge that only around 20 people per day were dying of COVID and not 80 as was previously reported people would have been more ready to go out. Not just that the death rate has been stuck at around 50 per day for weeks which is another signal of "this hasn't gone away, we should still stay indoors".
    I'm not so sure about this. Most people are not staying indoors - they are out and about. The exception is the old and/or vulnerable who are still being cautious, and have been since mid March. But perhaps the number of deaths would have been sustained at a higher level if this group were not still being cautious.
    And there's also a good chance that they'll carry on being this cautious indefinitely. Indeed, quite possibly, permanently.

    The longer that some people keep on pretending that it's April, are too afraid to go out anywhere unless forced to grocery shop, and keep on sitting at home and adopting other chronic self-isolator habits like disinfecting and quarantining their parcels until they're convinced any contamination has been removed, the harder they are going to find it ever to return to life as it was previously lived.

    Fast forward another year or two and there'll still be a significant cohort of the terrified, shuffling into supermarkets once a week at eight o'clock in the morning wearing masks and gloves, and spending the rest of their lives shut up at home. It will have become such an entrenched habit that they'll no longer be able to help themselves.
    I have a friend like that sadly, He is wfh but desperately wants to get back to the office but he is still at the point he won't have you in the garden even at 2m distance. I have no idea how he will get back to normal. His office is open but optional so its not a can't its a won't because he is too scared
    And the end state for some of these people is going to be a really serious OCD-like disorder. The terror of contagion will come to dominate all else, and they'll become hermits.
    Like Julianne Moore in "Safe".

    https://youtu.be/p6uwjhkFu1o
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,222

    Great picture on the BBC site:

    image

    US calls for shower rules to be eased after Trump hair complaints

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53761744

    Have you got the link
    Image: https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/41FB/production/_113919861_hi045965426.jpg

    Page:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53761744

    Hair raising thread header incoming ?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,929
    edited August 2020
    Betfair value at very short prices.

    Tuesday night on Betfair, Kamala Harris was 1.01 to be Democrat VP nominee even after it had been announced, because of course it is a bet to be settled next week and there is a chance she and/or Biden might withdraw. She still is 1.01.

    Joe Biden is 1.02 to be nominee looked like value to keep breathing for a week. Certainly better than 1.01 Harris because she might be replaced by the new guy; indeed, she might herself be the new guy at the top of the ticket.

    Donald Trump is 1.02 to be the Republican nominee (£90,000 on offer). Value not to keel over or otherwise withdraw before the Republican convention the week after next?

    Mike Pence is 1.06 to be the Republican VP nominee (there was a theory floated some time back that Trump might replace Pence).

    Now I'm no @Foxy and maybe these are a fair reflection of the actuarial tables but as a punter, I'd say it is because the big hitters who play at these prices have better (or as good) options on a day-to-day basis. There is no need to tie their money up for even a few days.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    Stocky said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    If PB has been hacked, how can we be assured of the safety of our login details. @MikeSmithson was your SQL db compromised?

    Vanilla is a separate platform. I doubt the main site even knows what your login is, not to mention your password.
    Thanks for the confirmation. I've changed my password regardless.
    You mean speculation, right? Good idea.. even if it hasn't been compromised.
    Oh I assumed you knew for sure. No worries.

    Luckily for me I use different passwords on every site and I use a password manager, so I am unlikely to have any other accounts compromised.
    Can someone educate me re: password manager. How do I get one? Does it cost?" Which one is best? Are there any downsides?
    I've been using last pass for well over 10 years. It works well on a PC but has some annoying ideosyncracities on the android version.
    www.lastpass.com

    Basic is free. Plus is that you only need to remember one password, the negative is that if you use it properly you need to keep on logging in to the password manager.

    There are quite a few others out there.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,877
    Nigelb said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Stocky said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I still find it incredible that the England death rate is down to under 10 per day by death date, if this information had been revealed sooner how much more economically confident would individuals and businesses feel? I think the PHE has cost us 2-3% of the recovery and necessitated schemes like eat out to help out, it was such a bad decision not to have an end date of the virus and their protests and trying to force a 60 day measure was awful. Glad that the DoH has stood firm and insisted on the internationally comparable measure rather than something cooked up to make everyone stay home to "protect the NHS".

    " “The ideology of zero risk is dangerous,” says Yonathan Freund, a Sorbonne professor and Editor of the European Journal of Emergency Medicine "

    Telegraph
    The problem is that most of the lay population believes in zero risk. Too many subjects have been affected by this delusion. People no longer use sensible cost-benefit analysis (NICE does, when deciding what NHS procedures to allow).
    I don't think so, but the risk of death has been massively overstated for the last 2 to 3 months which has weighed on people's confidence to go out and spend money. As I said, if it was common knowledge that only around 20 people per day were dying of COVID and not 80 as was previously reported people would have been more ready to go out. Not just that the death rate has been stuck at around 50 per day for weeks which is another signal of "this hasn't gone away, we should still stay indoors".
    I'm not so sure about this. Most people are not staying indoors - they are out and about. The exception is the old and/or vulnerable who are still being cautious, and have been since mid March. But perhaps the number of deaths would have been sustained at a higher level if this group were not still being cautious.
    And there's also a good chance that they'll carry on being this cautious indefinitely. Indeed, quite possibly, permanently.

    The longer that some people keep on pretending that it's April, are too afraid to go out anywhere unless forced to grocery shop, and keep on sitting at home and adopting other chronic self-isolator habits like disinfecting and quarantining their parcels until they're convinced any contamination has been removed, the harder they are going to find it ever to return to life as it was previously lived.

    Fast forward another year or two and there'll still be a significant cohort of the terrified, shuffling into supermarkets once a week at eight o'clock in the morning wearing masks and gloves, and spending the rest of their lives shut up at home. It will have become such an entrenched habit that they'll no longer be able to help themselves.
    This is clearly a polemic, yet speaks to a truth. There is a portion of the population that is terrified beyond all rationality. This group is not merely composed of the elderly and infirm: it includes some of the young and fit, who are statically more likely to come a cropper by falling down their own stairs than being struck down by Covid.
    I agree - some people have been frightened well beyond what logic should indicate - including a handful of young couples I can think of. There is more afoot than fear though - quite a bit of "Ooh look what a good citizen I am" and "We haven`t been out for months you know .. we`re so concerned for the vulnerable people". Yeah ... a lot of that about. They always tell you, of course.
    There is a caveat to that though. We know some who get covid go end up with life changing debilitation. I don't know what that figure is and I don't know how it looks across age cohorts as I have never seen that data published.

    We seem fairly sure the cfr is between 0.1 and 1.0 percent.

    However if the percentage of people who get symptomatic covid and are left with potential morbities is 50% or 10% or 5% matters a lot. I am surprised this data hasnt been published
    Principally because no one knows what it is.
    Working that out is going to take quite some time - though it seems as though something like a quarter to a third of those infected suffer some kind of post viral syndrome (of greatly varying degrees of severity).
    If its as much as a quarter to a third that suffer life altering debilities then to my mind that is far more reason to quell the virus that a 1% cfr.

    Working from 50,000 deaths at 1% cfr means 5,000,000 infected even at a quarter thats 1.25 million with life changing affliction
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    Off topic: any recommendations of resorts to visit in Brittany? (next summer) It's one part of France we've never been to. Looking for good food, ambience, scenery.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487
    FPT - on "blackface" (in other words, a white person who has darkened their face deliberately as part of dressing up in costume) I'd say it depends.

    If it's done to mock or caricature a black person then I'd say that's unacceptable.

    If it's a Morris dancer troupe doing it as part of their tradition (it used to be done using boot polish, coal or dirt as a form of disguise for poor men who went begging - the two were closely associated) then I'd say it's fine.

    We won't get that distinction, of course.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I still find it incredible that the England death rate is down to under 10 per day by death date, if this information had been revealed sooner how much more economically confident would individuals and businesses feel? I think the PHE has cost us 2-3% of the recovery and necessitated schemes like eat out to help out, it was such a bad decision not to have an end date of the virus and their protests and trying to force a 60 day measure was awful. Glad that the DoH has stood firm and insisted on the internationally comparable measure rather than something cooked up to make everyone stay home to "protect the NHS".

    " “The ideology of zero risk is dangerous,” says Yonathan Freund, a Sorbonne professor and Editor of the European Journal of Emergency Medicine "

    Telegraph
    The problem is that most of the lay population believes in zero risk. Too many subjects have been affected by this delusion. People no longer use sensible cost-benefit analysis (NICE does, when deciding what NHS procedures to allow).
    I don't think so, but the risk of death has been massively overstated for the last 2 to 3 months which has weighed on people's confidence to go out and spend money. As I said, if it was common knowledge that only around 20 people per day were dying of COVID and not 80 as was previously reported people would have been more ready to go out. Not just that the death rate has been stuck at around 50 per day for weeks which is another signal of "this hasn't gone away, we should still stay indoors".
    I'm not so sure about this. Most people are not staying indoors - they are out and about. The exception is the old and/or vulnerable who are still being cautious, and have been since mid March. But perhaps the number of deaths would have been sustained at a higher level if this group were not still being cautious.
    And there's also a good chance that they'll carry on being this cautious indefinitely. Indeed, quite possibly, permanently.

    The longer that some people keep on pretending that it's April, are too afraid to go out anywhere unless forced to grocery shop, and keep on sitting at home and adopting other chronic self-isolator habits like disinfecting and quarantining their parcels until they're convinced any contamination has been removed, the harder they are going to find it ever to return to life as it was previously lived.

    Fast forward another year or two and there'll still be a significant cohort of the terrified, shuffling into supermarkets once a week at eight o'clock in the morning wearing masks and gloves, and spending the rest of their lives shut up at home. It will have become such an entrenched habit that they'll no longer be able to help themselves.
    Well, you jest, but I am finding a significant minority of patients habituated into what seems to be Covid-19 induced agoraphobia*.

    *literally true as means fear of marketplaces.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487
    edited August 2020

    Betfair value at very short prices.

    Tuesday night on Betfair, Kamala Harris was 1.01 to be Democrat VP nominee even after it had been announced, because of course it is a bet to be settled next week and there is a chance she and/or Biden might withdraw. She still is 1.01.

    Joe Biden is 1.02 to be nominee looked like value to keep breathing for a week. Certainly better than 1.01 Harris because she might be replaced by the new guy; indeed, she might herself be the new guy at the top of the ticket.

    Donald Trump is 1.02 to be the Republican nominee (£90,000 on offer). Value not to keel over or otherwise withdraw before the Republican convention the week after next?

    Mike Pence is 1.06 to be the Republican VP nominee (there was a theory floated some time back that Trump might replace Pence).

    Now I'm no @Foxy and maybe these are a fair reflection of the actuarial tables but as a punter, I'd say it is because the big hitters who play at these prices have better (or as good) options on a day-to-day basis. There is no need to tie their money up for even a few days.

    I think the markets are still in a state of disbelief it's going to be Biden and not Hillary (who's still available to lay at 85!).

    I've put quite a bit more in. I'm in "very low-risk savings account" type betting for the next 8 days.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    rcs1000 said:

    Which means Biden is doing worse that any challenger than beat an incumbent, and better than any challenger who lost...
    The outliers there are Kerry and H Clinton, the rest pretty accurate, No?
  • eristdoof said:

    Stocky said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    If PB has been hacked, how can we be assured of the safety of our login details. @MikeSmithson was your SQL db compromised?

    Vanilla is a separate platform. I doubt the main site even knows what your login is, not to mention your password.
    Thanks for the confirmation. I've changed my password regardless.
    You mean speculation, right? Good idea.. even if it hasn't been compromised.
    Oh I assumed you knew for sure. No worries.

    Luckily for me I use different passwords on every site and I use a password manager, so I am unlikely to have any other accounts compromised.
    Can someone educate me re: password manager. How do I get one? Does it cost?" Which one is best? Are there any downsides?
    I've been using last pass for well over 10 years. It works well on a PC but has some annoying ideosyncracities on the android version.
    www.lastpass.com

    Basic is free. Plus is that you only need to remember one password, the negative is that if you use it properly you need to keep on logging in to the password manager.

    There are quite a few others out there.
    My employer gives us free corporate 1password, though we are free to choose others. These days, even browsers will store (and generate random) passwords. That is one of the beauties of password managers: generating passwords that are random and complex and not the 49th variation on your pet cat's name.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    DjayM said:

    STILL the crappiest comment system in place.....

    No, that's still Disqus.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,367

    FPT - on "blackface" (in other words, a white person who has darkened their face deliberately as part of dressing up in costume) I'd say it depends.

    If it's done to mock or caricature a black person then I'd say that's unacceptable.

    If it's a Morris dancer troupe doing it as part of their tradition (it used to be done using boot polish, coal or dirt as a form of disguise for poor men who went begging - the two were closely associated) then I'd say it's fine.

    We won't get that distinction, of course.

    What about blacking up for poaching?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    edited August 2020
    I use 1Password across the Apple ecosystem and it’s very good. It also has a web interface.

    I think I pay £3.50 per month.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,367

    Great picture on the BBC site:

    image

    US calls for shower rules to be eased after Trump hair complaints

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53761744

    Have you got the link

    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/41FB/production/_113919861_hi045965426.jpg
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,213

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Which means Biden is doing worse that any challenger than beat an incumbent, and better than any challenger who lost...
    The challengers that won were
    - Carter (+26.6%)
    - Clinton (+19.3%)

    So, he's a long way behind those guys. (Although '92 is a bit of a special election given Perot.)

    But he's a long way ahead of people who came close - like Romney, and Kerry.

    It's also interesting to note that Clinton and Carter both had much narrower wins than their position 82 days from the election would have suggested. (Although the timings of the conventions may also have distorted things somewht.)
    In a way 1976 was a baffling result.

    Not that Carter won but that he only won so narrowly.

    After Watergate, defeat in Vietnam and the mid 70s recession it should have been as one sided as 1932 was or as 1980 would be.
    Personally, I think Ford is one of the most underrated Presidents of the last decade. I'd put him alongside Truman.

    Most overrated? JFK and FDR.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065

    Stocky said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    If PB has been hacked, how can we be assured of the safety of our login details. @MikeSmithson was your SQL db compromised?

    Vanilla is a separate platform. I doubt the main site even knows what your login is, not to mention your password.
    Thanks for the confirmation. I've changed my password regardless.
    You mean speculation, right? Good idea.. even if it hasn't been compromised.
    Oh I assumed you knew for sure. No worries.

    Luckily for me I use different passwords on every site and I use a password manager, so I am unlikely to have any other accounts compromised.
    Can someone educate me re: password manager. How do I get one? Does it cost?" Which one is best? Are there any downsides?
    Don't most browsers have one built in? Safari certainly does, and with iCloud it links across all devices.

    How secure it all is worries me at times but then using the same password everywhere or writing a list of all you individual passwords is hardly secure either.
    I can't speak for the in browser ones, but professional password managers strongly encrypt all the passwords and store them on your machine. If Last Pass gets hacked, your passwords are safe. If your laptop is stolen, provided you change your master password, the locally encrypeted passwords are as safe as is practically possible. If you want to make sure, you can get Last Pass to automatically change all your passwords including your PB password.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,213

    Betfair value at very short prices.

    Tuesday night on Betfair, Kamala Harris was 1.01 to be Democrat VP nominee even after it had been announced, because of course it is a bet to be settled next week and there is a chance she and/or Biden might withdraw. She still is 1.01.

    Joe Biden is 1.02 to be nominee looked like value to keep breathing for a week. Certainly better than 1.01 Harris because she might be replaced by the new guy; indeed, she might herself be the new guy at the top of the ticket.

    Donald Trump is 1.02 to be the Republican nominee (£90,000 on offer). Value not to keel over or otherwise withdraw before the Republican convention the week after next?

    Mike Pence is 1.06 to be the Republican VP nominee (there was a theory floated some time back that Trump might replace Pence).

    Now I'm no @Foxy and maybe these are a fair reflection of the actuarial tables but as a punter, I'd say it is because the big hitters who play at these prices have better (or as good) options on a day-to-day basis. There is no need to tie their money up for even a few days.

    I think the markets are still in a state of disbelief it's going to be Biden and not Hillary (who's still available to lay at 85!).

    I've put quite a bit more in. I'm in "very low-risk savings account" type betting for the next 8 days.
    Clinton's prices - for both the nomination and the VP pick - have been utterly absurd.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Foxy said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I still find it incredible that the England death rate is down to under 10 per day by death date, if this information had been revealed sooner how much more economically confident would individuals and businesses feel? I think the PHE has cost us 2-3% of the recovery and necessitated schemes like eat out to help out, it was such a bad decision not to have an end date of the virus and their protests and trying to force a 60 day measure was awful. Glad that the DoH has stood firm and insisted on the internationally comparable measure rather than something cooked up to make everyone stay home to "protect the NHS".

    " “The ideology of zero risk is dangerous,” says Yonathan Freund, a Sorbonne professor and Editor of the European Journal of Emergency Medicine "

    Telegraph
    The problem is that most of the lay population believes in zero risk. Too many subjects have been affected by this delusion. People no longer use sensible cost-benefit analysis (NICE does, when deciding what NHS procedures to allow).
    I don't think so, but the risk of death has been massively overstated for the last 2 to 3 months which has weighed on people's confidence to go out and spend money. As I said, if it was common knowledge that only around 20 people per day were dying of COVID and not 80 as was previously reported people would have been more ready to go out. Not just that the death rate has been stuck at around 50 per day for weeks which is another signal of "this hasn't gone away, we should still stay indoors".
    I'm not so sure about this. Most people are not staying indoors - they are out and about. The exception is the old and/or vulnerable who are still being cautious, and have been since mid March. But perhaps the number of deaths would have been sustained at a higher level if this group were not still being cautious.
    And there's also a good chance that they'll carry on being this cautious indefinitely. Indeed, quite possibly, permanently.

    The longer that some people keep on pretending that it's April, are too afraid to go out anywhere unless forced to grocery shop, and keep on sitting at home and adopting other chronic self-isolator habits like disinfecting and quarantining their parcels until they're convinced any contamination has been removed, the harder they are going to find it ever to return to life as it was previously lived.

    Fast forward another year or two and there'll still be a significant cohort of the terrified, shuffling into supermarkets once a week at eight o'clock in the morning wearing masks and gloves, and spending the rest of their lives shut up at home. It will have become such an entrenched habit that they'll no longer be able to help themselves.
    Well, you jest, but I am finding a significant minority of patients habituated into what seems to be Covid-19 induced agoraphobia*.

    *literally true as means fear of marketplaces.
    Honestly, I wasn't actually joking. I'm expecting that this pandemic will indeed create significant numbers of recluses. In the next couple of years one would expect to see this reflected in data such as the proportion of deaths occuring in the home and the percentage of children who are home-tutored, amongst other indicators.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720

    FPT - on "blackface" (in other words, a white person who has darkened their face deliberately as part of dressing up in costume) I'd say it depends.

    If it's done to mock or caricature a black person then I'd say that's unacceptable.

    If it's a Morris dancer troupe doing it as part of their tradition (it used to be done using boot polish, coal or dirt as a form of disguise for poor men who went begging - the two were closely associated) then I'd say it's fine.

    We won't get that distinction, of course.

    How about the Dutch tradition of Black Peter?

    https://youtu.be/piGzE2cMVqA
  • rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Which means Biden is doing worse that any challenger than beat an incumbent, and better than any challenger who lost...
    The challengers that won were
    - Carter (+26.6%)
    - Clinton (+19.3%)

    So, he's a long way behind those guys. (Although '92 is a bit of a special election given Perot.)

    But he's a long way ahead of people who came close - like Romney, and Kerry.

    It's also interesting to note that Clinton and Carter both had much narrower wins than their position 82 days from the election would have suggested. (Although the timings of the conventions may also have distorted things somewht.)
    In a way 1976 was a baffling result.

    Not that Carter won but that he only won so narrowly.

    After Watergate, defeat in Vietnam and the mid 70s recession it should have been as one sided as 1932 was or as 1980 would be.
    Personally, I think Ford is one of the most underrated Presidents of the last decade. I'd put him alongside Truman.

    Most overrated? JFK and FDR.
    Yeh what?

    I agree about JFK but FDR was awesome, without him we wouldn't have won WWII.

    His support of us when the US was officially neutral was the game changer.
  • Foxy said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I still find it incredible that the England death rate is down to under 10 per day by death date, if this information had been revealed sooner how much more economically confident would individuals and businesses feel? I think the PHE has cost us 2-3% of the recovery and necessitated schemes like eat out to help out, it was such a bad decision not to have an end date of the virus and their protests and trying to force a 60 day measure was awful. Glad that the DoH has stood firm and insisted on the internationally comparable measure rather than something cooked up to make everyone stay home to "protect the NHS".

    " “The ideology of zero risk is dangerous,” says Yonathan Freund, a Sorbonne professor and Editor of the European Journal of Emergency Medicine "

    Telegraph
    The problem is that most of the lay population believes in zero risk. Too many subjects have been affected by this delusion. People no longer use sensible cost-benefit analysis (NICE does, when deciding what NHS procedures to allow).
    I don't think so, but the risk of death has been massively overstated for the last 2 to 3 months which has weighed on people's confidence to go out and spend money. As I said, if it was common knowledge that only around 20 people per day were dying of COVID and not 80 as was previously reported people would have been more ready to go out. Not just that the death rate has been stuck at around 50 per day for weeks which is another signal of "this hasn't gone away, we should still stay indoors".
    I'm not so sure about this. Most people are not staying indoors - they are out and about. The exception is the old and/or vulnerable who are still being cautious, and have been since mid March. But perhaps the number of deaths would have been sustained at a higher level if this group were not still being cautious.
    And there's also a good chance that they'll carry on being this cautious indefinitely. Indeed, quite possibly, permanently.

    The longer that some people keep on pretending that it's April, are too afraid to go out anywhere unless forced to grocery shop, and keep on sitting at home and adopting other chronic self-isolator habits like disinfecting and quarantining their parcels until they're convinced any contamination has been removed, the harder they are going to find it ever to return to life as it was previously lived.

    Fast forward another year or two and there'll still be a significant cohort of the terrified, shuffling into supermarkets once a week at eight o'clock in the morning wearing masks and gloves, and spending the rest of their lives shut up at home. It will have become such an entrenched habit that they'll no longer be able to help themselves.
    Well, you jest, but I am finding a significant minority of patients habituated into what seems to be Covid-19 induced agoraphobia*.

    *literally true as means fear of marketplaces.
    Can I ask how many have some sort of justification for that change ?

    Do they already have health vulnerabilities or do they know people who have died for example ?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,367

    Great picture on the BBC site:

    image

    US calls for shower rules to be eased after Trump hair complaints

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53761744

    Have you got the link

    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/41FB/production/_113919861_hi045965426.jpg
    alternatively -

    image
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,002

    That is one of the beauties of password managers: generating passwords that are random and complex and not the 49th variation on your pet cat's name.

    True

    For passwords that you absolutely have to remember and type in (like the one to unlock your password manager) I like diceware
  • FPT - on "blackface" (in other words, a white person who has darkened their face deliberately as part of dressing up in costume) I'd say it depends.

    If it's done to mock or caricature a black person then I'd say that's unacceptable.

    If it's a Morris dancer troupe doing it as part of their tradition (it used to be done using boot polish, coal or dirt as a form of disguise for poor men who went begging - the two were closely associated) then I'd say it's fine.

    We won't get that distinction, of course.

    What about blacking up for poaching?
    As in the Black Acts - high Whiggery at its apogee.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,002
    eristdoof said:

    I can't speak for the in browser ones, but professional password managers strongly encrypt all the passwords and store them on your machine. If Last Pass gets hacked, your passwords are safe. If your laptop is stolen, provided you change your master password, the locally encrypeted passwords are as safe as is practically possible. If you want to make sure, you can get Last Pass to automatically change all your passwords including your PB password.

    psafe also supports 2FA. Even if you know the master password, without the Yubikey plugged in you can't unlock the safe
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,877

    Foxy said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I still find it incredible that the England death rate is down to under 10 per day by death date, if this information had been revealed sooner how much more economically confident would individuals and businesses feel? I think the PHE has cost us 2-3% of the recovery and necessitated schemes like eat out to help out, it was such a bad decision not to have an end date of the virus and their protests and trying to force a 60 day measure was awful. Glad that the DoH has stood firm and insisted on the internationally comparable measure rather than something cooked up to make everyone stay home to "protect the NHS".

    " “The ideology of zero risk is dangerous,” says Yonathan Freund, a Sorbonne professor and Editor of the European Journal of Emergency Medicine "

    Telegraph
    The problem is that most of the lay population believes in zero risk. Too many subjects have been affected by this delusion. People no longer use sensible cost-benefit analysis (NICE does, when deciding what NHS procedures to allow).
    I don't think so, but the risk of death has been massively overstated for the last 2 to 3 months which has weighed on people's confidence to go out and spend money. As I said, if it was common knowledge that only around 20 people per day were dying of COVID and not 80 as was previously reported people would have been more ready to go out. Not just that the death rate has been stuck at around 50 per day for weeks which is another signal of "this hasn't gone away, we should still stay indoors".
    I'm not so sure about this. Most people are not staying indoors - they are out and about. The exception is the old and/or vulnerable who are still being cautious, and have been since mid March. But perhaps the number of deaths would have been sustained at a higher level if this group were not still being cautious.
    And there's also a good chance that they'll carry on being this cautious indefinitely. Indeed, quite possibly, permanently.

    The longer that some people keep on pretending that it's April, are too afraid to go out anywhere unless forced to grocery shop, and keep on sitting at home and adopting other chronic self-isolator habits like disinfecting and quarantining their parcels until they're convinced any contamination has been removed, the harder they are going to find it ever to return to life as it was previously lived.

    Fast forward another year or two and there'll still be a significant cohort of the terrified, shuffling into supermarkets once a week at eight o'clock in the morning wearing masks and gloves, and spending the rest of their lives shut up at home. It will have become such an entrenched habit that they'll no longer be able to help themselves.
    Well, you jest, but I am finding a significant minority of patients habituated into what seems to be Covid-19 induced agoraphobia*.

    *literally true as means fear of marketplaces.
    Can I ask how many have some sort of justification for that change ?

    Do they already have health vulnerabilities or do they know people who have died for example ?
    Phobia by its definition is an irrational fear. If they have a good justification then its not an irrational fear and therefore not a phobia
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720

    Foxy said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I still find it incredible that the England death rate is down to under 10 per day by death date, if this information had been revealed sooner how much more economically confident would individuals and businesses feel? I think the PHE has cost us 2-3% of the recovery and necessitated schemes like eat out to help out, it was such a bad decision not to have an end date of the virus and their protests and trying to force a 60 day measure was awful. Glad that the DoH has stood firm and insisted on the internationally comparable measure rather than something cooked up to make everyone stay home to "protect the NHS".

    " “The ideology of zero risk is dangerous,” says Yonathan Freund, a Sorbonne professor and Editor of the European Journal of Emergency Medicine "

    Telegraph
    The problem is that most of the lay population believes in zero risk. Too many subjects have been affected by this delusion. People no longer use sensible cost-benefit analysis (NICE does, when deciding what NHS procedures to allow).
    I don't think so, but the risk of death has been massively overstated for the last 2 to 3 months which has weighed on people's confidence to go out and spend money. As I said, if it was common knowledge that only around 20 people per day were dying of COVID and not 80 as was previously reported people would have been more ready to go out. Not just that the death rate has been stuck at around 50 per day for weeks which is another signal of "this hasn't gone away, we should still stay indoors".
    I'm not so sure about this. Most people are not staying indoors - they are out and about. The exception is the old and/or vulnerable who are still being cautious, and have been since mid March. But perhaps the number of deaths would have been sustained at a higher level if this group were not still being cautious.
    And there's also a good chance that they'll carry on being this cautious indefinitely. Indeed, quite possibly, permanently.

    The longer that some people keep on pretending that it's April, are too afraid to go out anywhere unless forced to grocery shop, and keep on sitting at home and adopting other chronic self-isolator habits like disinfecting and quarantining their parcels until they're convinced any contamination has been removed, the harder they are going to find it ever to return to life as it was previously lived.

    Fast forward another year or two and there'll still be a significant cohort of the terrified, shuffling into supermarkets once a week at eight o'clock in the morning wearing masks and gloves, and spending the rest of their lives shut up at home. It will have become such an entrenched habit that they'll no longer be able to help themselves.
    Well, you jest, but I am finding a significant minority of patients habituated into what seems to be Covid-19 induced agoraphobia*.

    *literally true as means fear of marketplaces.
    Can I ask how many have some sort of justification for that change ?

    Do they already have health vulnerabilities or do they know people who have died for example ?
    Strangely, it seems very poorly correlated with what I would asses as risk, particularly weighed against the conditions that I see them for. More to do with precovid personality traits.

    One of our trick-cyclists told me that the national suicide rate is up 25% on last year.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065

    eristdoof said:

    Stocky said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    If PB has been hacked, how can we be assured of the safety of our login details. @MikeSmithson was your SQL db compromised?

    Vanilla is a separate platform. I doubt the main site even knows what your login is, not to mention your password.
    Thanks for the confirmation. I've changed my password regardless.
    You mean speculation, right? Good idea.. even if it hasn't been compromised.
    Oh I assumed you knew for sure. No worries.

    Luckily for me I use different passwords on every site and I use a password manager, so I am unlikely to have any other accounts compromised.
    Can someone educate me re: password manager. How do I get one? Does it cost?" Which one is best? Are there any downsides?
    I've been using last pass for well over 10 years. It works well on a PC but has some annoying ideosyncracities on the android version.
    www.lastpass.com

    Basic is free. Plus is that you only need to remember one password, the negative is that if you use it properly you need to keep on logging in to the password manager.

    There are quite a few others out there.
    My employer gives us free corporate 1password, though we are free to choose others. These days, even browsers will store (and generate random) passwords. That is one of the beauties of password managers: generating passwords that are random and complex and not the 49th variation on your pet cat's name.
    You mean Tabby49 then?

    I once heard a security expert say that forcing employees to change their password every month is really counter-productive. Either people just increment a sequential number to their existing password, which is worthless in security terms, or people start writing down the password on a post-it in their drawer.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    edited August 2020

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Which means Biden is doing worse that any challenger than beat an incumbent, and better than any challenger who lost...
    The challengers that won were
    - Carter (+26.6%)
    - Clinton (+19.3%)

    So, he's a long way behind those guys. (Although '92 is a bit of a special election given Perot.)

    But he's a long way ahead of people who came close - like Romney, and Kerry.

    It's also interesting to note that Clinton and Carter both had much narrower wins than their position 82 days from the election would have suggested. (Although the timings of the conventions may also have distorted things somewht.)
    In a way 1976 was a baffling result.

    Not that Carter won but that he only won so narrowly.

    After Watergate, defeat in Vietnam and the mid 70s recession it should have been as one sided as 1932 was or as 1980 would be.
    Personally, I think Ford is one of the most underrated Presidents of the last decade. I'd put him alongside Truman.

    Most overrated? JFK and FDR.
    Yeh what?

    I agree about JFK but FDR was awesome, without him we wouldn't have won WWII.

    His support of us when the US was officially neutral was the game changer.
    Personally admired Jerry Ford on several levels, and still do. BUT he was way more of a bumbler (in non-Chevy Chase sense) during his presidency than Truman was, at least pre-1949.

    So respectfully think RCS is overrating GRF viz-a-viz HST.
  • @Gallowgate I also use 1Password. They make some awesome software and I like their approach to UX design.

    Nice to talk to the devs themselves when I have an issue, I am sure many of our clients would like to talk to me when they have problems :)
  • I would avoid LastPass who have been hacked multiple times and had passwords stolen.

    1Password to my knowledge has not been hacked and you can choose to store your data in the EU which has stronger privacy laws than the USA.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,877
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I still find it incredible that the England death rate is down to under 10 per day by death date, if this information had been revealed sooner how much more economically confident would individuals and businesses feel? I think the PHE has cost us 2-3% of the recovery and necessitated schemes like eat out to help out, it was such a bad decision not to have an end date of the virus and their protests and trying to force a 60 day measure was awful. Glad that the DoH has stood firm and insisted on the internationally comparable measure rather than something cooked up to make everyone stay home to "protect the NHS".

    " “The ideology of zero risk is dangerous,” says Yonathan Freund, a Sorbonne professor and Editor of the European Journal of Emergency Medicine "

    Telegraph
    The problem is that most of the lay population believes in zero risk. Too many subjects have been affected by this delusion. People no longer use sensible cost-benefit analysis (NICE does, when deciding what NHS procedures to allow).
    I don't think so, but the risk of death has been massively overstated for the last 2 to 3 months which has weighed on people's confidence to go out and spend money. As I said, if it was common knowledge that only around 20 people per day were dying of COVID and not 80 as was previously reported people would have been more ready to go out. Not just that the death rate has been stuck at around 50 per day for weeks which is another signal of "this hasn't gone away, we should still stay indoors".
    I'm not so sure about this. Most people are not staying indoors - they are out and about. The exception is the old and/or vulnerable who are still being cautious, and have been since mid March. But perhaps the number of deaths would have been sustained at a higher level if this group were not still being cautious.
    And there's also a good chance that they'll carry on being this cautious indefinitely. Indeed, quite possibly, permanently.

    The longer that some people keep on pretending that it's April, are too afraid to go out anywhere unless forced to grocery shop, and keep on sitting at home and adopting other chronic self-isolator habits like disinfecting and quarantining their parcels until they're convinced any contamination has been removed, the harder they are going to find it ever to return to life as it was previously lived.

    Fast forward another year or two and there'll still be a significant cohort of the terrified, shuffling into supermarkets once a week at eight o'clock in the morning wearing masks and gloves, and spending the rest of their lives shut up at home. It will have become such an entrenched habit that they'll no longer be able to help themselves.
    Well, you jest, but I am finding a significant minority of patients habituated into what seems to be Covid-19 induced agoraphobia*.

    *literally true as means fear of marketplaces.
    Can I ask how many have some sort of justification for that change ?

    Do they already have health vulnerabilities or do they know people who have died for example ?
    Strangely, it seems very poorly correlated with what I would asses as risk, particularly weighed against the conditions that I see them for. More to do with precovid personality traits.

    One of our trick-cyclists told me that the national suicide rate is up 25% on last year.
    Not picking on you foxy but could you give numbers not percentages. A 25% increase from 4 to 5 is noise a 25% increase from 10 mill to 12.5 mill is concerning
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720

    Off topic: any recommendations of resorts to visit in Brittany? (next summer) It's one part of France we've never been to. Looking for good food, ambience, scenery.

    The U boat pens at L'orient are impressive, but I accept are a minority interest.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222

    FPT - on "blackface" (in other words, a white person who has darkened their face deliberately as part of dressing up in costume) I'd say it depends.

    If it's done to mock or caricature a black person then I'd say that's unacceptable.

    If it's a Morris dancer troupe doing it as part of their tradition (it used to be done using boot polish, coal or dirt as a form of disguise for poor men who went begging - the two were closely associated) then I'd say it's fine.

    We won't get that distinction, of course.

    What about blacking up for poaching?
    What if a black person blacks up to look like a more black person?
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I still find it incredible that the England death rate is down to under 10 per day by death date, if this information had been revealed sooner how much more economically confident would individuals and businesses feel? I think the PHE has cost us 2-3% of the recovery and necessitated schemes like eat out to help out, it was such a bad decision not to have an end date of the virus and their protests and trying to force a 60 day measure was awful. Glad that the DoH has stood firm and insisted on the internationally comparable measure rather than something cooked up to make everyone stay home to "protect the NHS".

    " “The ideology of zero risk is dangerous,” says Yonathan Freund, a Sorbonne professor and Editor of the European Journal of Emergency Medicine "

    Telegraph
    The problem is that most of the lay population believes in zero risk. Too many subjects have been affected by this delusion. People no longer use sensible cost-benefit analysis (NICE does, when deciding what NHS procedures to allow).
    I don't think so, but the risk of death has been massively overstated for the last 2 to 3 months which has weighed on people's confidence to go out and spend money. As I said, if it was common knowledge that only around 20 people per day were dying of COVID and not 80 as was previously reported people would have been more ready to go out. Not just that the death rate has been stuck at around 50 per day for weeks which is another signal of "this hasn't gone away, we should still stay indoors".
    I'm not so sure about this. Most people are not staying indoors - they are out and about. The exception is the old and/or vulnerable who are still being cautious, and have been since mid March. But perhaps the number of deaths would have been sustained at a higher level if this group were not still being cautious.
    And there's also a good chance that they'll carry on being this cautious indefinitely. Indeed, quite possibly, permanently.

    The longer that some people keep on pretending that it's April, are too afraid to go out anywhere unless forced to grocery shop, and keep on sitting at home and adopting other chronic self-isolator habits like disinfecting and quarantining their parcels until they're convinced any contamination has been removed, the harder they are going to find it ever to return to life as it was previously lived.

    Fast forward another year or two and there'll still be a significant cohort of the terrified, shuffling into supermarkets once a week at eight o'clock in the morning wearing masks and gloves, and spending the rest of their lives shut up at home. It will have become such an entrenched habit that they'll no longer be able to help themselves.
    Well, you jest, but I am finding a significant minority of patients habituated into what seems to be Covid-19 induced agoraphobia*.

    *literally true as means fear of marketplaces.
    Can I ask how many have some sort of justification for that change ?

    Do they already have health vulnerabilities or do they know people who have died for example ?
    Strangely, it seems very poorly correlated with what I would asses as risk, particularly weighed against the conditions that I see them for. More to do with precovid personality traits.

    One of our trick-cyclists told me that the national suicide rate is up 25% on last year.
    Isn't a trick-cyclist a slang name for an anti-depressant, or do you use the same nickname for those taking it?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,877
    eristdoof said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I still find it incredible that the England death rate is down to under 10 per day by death date, if this information had been revealed sooner how much more economically confident would individuals and businesses feel? I think the PHE has cost us 2-3% of the recovery and necessitated schemes like eat out to help out, it was such a bad decision not to have an end date of the virus and their protests and trying to force a 60 day measure was awful. Glad that the DoH has stood firm and insisted on the internationally comparable measure rather than something cooked up to make everyone stay home to "protect the NHS".

    " “The ideology of zero risk is dangerous,” says Yonathan Freund, a Sorbonne professor and Editor of the European Journal of Emergency Medicine "

    Telegraph
    The problem is that most of the lay population believes in zero risk. Too many subjects have been affected by this delusion. People no longer use sensible cost-benefit analysis (NICE does, when deciding what NHS procedures to allow).
    I don't think so, but the risk of death has been massively overstated for the last 2 to 3 months which has weighed on people's confidence to go out and spend money. As I said, if it was common knowledge that only around 20 people per day were dying of COVID and not 80 as was previously reported people would have been more ready to go out. Not just that the death rate has been stuck at around 50 per day for weeks which is another signal of "this hasn't gone away, we should still stay indoors".
    I'm not so sure about this. Most people are not staying indoors - they are out and about. The exception is the old and/or vulnerable who are still being cautious, and have been since mid March. But perhaps the number of deaths would have been sustained at a higher level if this group were not still being cautious.
    And there's also a good chance that they'll carry on being this cautious indefinitely. Indeed, quite possibly, permanently.

    The longer that some people keep on pretending that it's April, are too afraid to go out anywhere unless forced to grocery shop, and keep on sitting at home and adopting other chronic self-isolator habits like disinfecting and quarantining their parcels until they're convinced any contamination has been removed, the harder they are going to find it ever to return to life as it was previously lived.

    Fast forward another year or two and there'll still be a significant cohort of the terrified, shuffling into supermarkets once a week at eight o'clock in the morning wearing masks and gloves, and spending the rest of their lives shut up at home. It will have become such an entrenched habit that they'll no longer be able to help themselves.
    Well, you jest, but I am finding a significant minority of patients habituated into what seems to be Covid-19 induced agoraphobia*.

    *literally true as means fear of marketplaces.
    Can I ask how many have some sort of justification for that change ?

    Do they already have health vulnerabilities or do they know people who have died for example ?
    Strangely, it seems very poorly correlated with what I would asses as risk, particularly weighed against the conditions that I see them for. More to do with precovid personality traits.

    One of our trick-cyclists told me that the national suicide rate is up 25% on last year.
    Isn't a trick-cyclist a slang name for an anti-depressant, or do you use the same nickname for those taking it?
    I though trick cyclist was slang for psychiatrist
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    This thread has

    been placed into lockdown

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    eristdoof said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I still find it incredible that the England death rate is down to under 10 per day by death date, if this information had been revealed sooner how much more economically confident would individuals and businesses feel? I think the PHE has cost us 2-3% of the recovery and necessitated schemes like eat out to help out, it was such a bad decision not to have an end date of the virus and their protests and trying to force a 60 day measure was awful. Glad that the DoH has stood firm and insisted on the internationally comparable measure rather than something cooked up to make everyone stay home to "protect the NHS".

    " “The ideology of zero risk is dangerous,” says Yonathan Freund, a Sorbonne professor and Editor of the European Journal of Emergency Medicine "

    Telegraph
    The problem is that most of the lay population believes in zero risk. Too many subjects have been affected by this delusion. People no longer use sensible cost-benefit analysis (NICE does, when deciding what NHS procedures to allow).
    I don't think so, but the risk of death has been massively overstated for the last 2 to 3 months which has weighed on people's confidence to go out and spend money. As I said, if it was common knowledge that only around 20 people per day were dying of COVID and not 80 as was previously reported people would have been more ready to go out. Not just that the death rate has been stuck at around 50 per day for weeks which is another signal of "this hasn't gone away, we should still stay indoors".
    I'm not so sure about this. Most people are not staying indoors - they are out and about. The exception is the old and/or vulnerable who are still being cautious, and have been since mid March. But perhaps the number of deaths would have been sustained at a higher level if this group were not still being cautious.
    And there's also a good chance that they'll carry on being this cautious indefinitely. Indeed, quite possibly, permanently.

    The longer that some people keep on pretending that it's April, are too afraid to go out anywhere unless forced to grocery shop, and keep on sitting at home and adopting other chronic self-isolator habits like disinfecting and quarantining their parcels until they're convinced any contamination has been removed, the harder they are going to find it ever to return to life as it was previously lived.

    Fast forward another year or two and there'll still be a significant cohort of the terrified, shuffling into supermarkets once a week at eight o'clock in the morning wearing masks and gloves, and spending the rest of their lives shut up at home. It will have become such an entrenched habit that they'll no longer be able to help themselves.
    Well, you jest, but I am finding a significant minority of patients habituated into what seems to be Covid-19 induced agoraphobia*.

    *literally true as means fear of marketplaces.
    Can I ask how many have some sort of justification for that change ?

    Do they already have health vulnerabilities or do they know people who have died for example ?
    Strangely, it seems very poorly correlated with what I would asses as risk, particularly weighed against the conditions that I see them for. More to do with precovid personality traits.

    One of our trick-cyclists told me that the national suicide rate is up 25% on last year.
    Isn't a trick-cyclist a slang name for an anti-depressant, or do you use the same nickname for those taking it?
    Rhyming slang for psychiatrist.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,213
    Scott_xP said:

    eristdoof said:

    I can't speak for the in browser ones, but professional password managers strongly encrypt all the passwords and store them on your machine. If Last Pass gets hacked, your passwords are safe. If your laptop is stolen, provided you change your master password, the locally encrypeted passwords are as safe as is practically possible. If you want to make sure, you can get Last Pass to automatically change all your passwords including your PB password.

    psafe also supports 2FA. Even if you know the master password, without the Yubikey plugged in you can't unlock the safe
    I wish LastPass would support more hardware key options. I have Thetis and the Google Titan, and it supports neither :disappointed:
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,247
    edited August 2020
    eristdoof said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I still find it incredible that the England death rate is down to under 10 per day by death date, if this information had been revealed sooner how much more economically confident would individuals and businesses feel? I think the PHE has cost us 2-3% of the recovery and necessitated schemes like eat out to help out, it was such a bad decision not to have an end date of the virus and their protests and trying to force a 60 day measure was awful. Glad that the DoH has stood firm and insisted on the internationally comparable measure rather than something cooked up to make everyone stay home to "protect the NHS".

    " “The ideology of zero risk is dangerous,” says Yonathan Freund, a Sorbonne professor and Editor of the European Journal of Emergency Medicine "

    Telegraph
    The problem is that most of the lay population believes in zero risk. Too many subjects have been affected by this delusion. People no longer use sensible cost-benefit analysis (NICE does, when deciding what NHS procedures to allow).
    I don't think so, but the risk of death has been massively overstated for the last 2 to 3 months which has weighed on people's confidence to go out and spend money. As I said, if it was common knowledge that only around 20 people per day were dying of COVID and not 80 as was previously reported people would have been more ready to go out. Not just that the death rate has been stuck at around 50 per day for weeks which is another signal of "this hasn't gone away, we should still stay indoors".
    I'm not so sure about this. Most people are not staying indoors - they are out and about. The exception is the old and/or vulnerable who are still being cautious, and have been since mid March. But perhaps the number of deaths would have been sustained at a higher level if this group were not still being cautious.
    And there's also a good chance that they'll carry on being this cautious indefinitely. Indeed, quite possibly, permanently.

    The longer that some people keep on pretending that it's April, are too afraid to go out anywhere unless forced to grocery shop, and keep on sitting at home and adopting other chronic self-isolator habits like disinfecting and quarantining their parcels until they're convinced any contamination has been removed, the harder they are going to find it ever to return to life as it was previously lived.

    Fast forward another year or two and there'll still be a significant cohort of the terrified, shuffling into supermarkets once a week at eight o'clock in the morning wearing masks and gloves, and spending the rest of their lives shut up at home. It will have become such an entrenched habit that they'll no longer be able to help themselves.
    Well, you jest, but I am finding a significant minority of patients habituated into what seems to be Covid-19 induced agoraphobia*.

    *literally true as means fear of marketplaces.
    Can I ask how many have some sort of justification for that change ?

    Do they already have health vulnerabilities or do they know people who have died for example ?
    Strangely, it seems very poorly correlated with what I would asses as risk, particularly weighed against the conditions that I see them for. More to do with precovid personality traits.

    One of our trick-cyclists told me that the national suicide rate is up 25% on last year.
    Isn't a trick-cyclist a slang name for an anti-depressant, or do you use the same nickname for those taking it?
    Nearly an anagram of psychiatrist.

    If you want a full anagram of psychiatrist, you can have "pithy racist".

    :-o
  • eristdoof said:

    eristdoof said:

    Stocky said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    If PB has been hacked, how can we be assured of the safety of our login details. @MikeSmithson was your SQL db compromised?

    Vanilla is a separate platform. I doubt the main site even knows what your login is, not to mention your password.
    Thanks for the confirmation. I've changed my password regardless.
    You mean speculation, right? Good idea.. even if it hasn't been compromised.
    Oh I assumed you knew for sure. No worries.

    Luckily for me I use different passwords on every site and I use a password manager, so I am unlikely to have any other accounts compromised.
    Can someone educate me re: password manager. How do I get one? Does it cost?" Which one is best? Are there any downsides?
    I've been using last pass for well over 10 years. It works well on a PC but has some annoying ideosyncracities on the android version.
    www.lastpass.com

    Basic is free. Plus is that you only need to remember one password, the negative is that if you use it properly you need to keep on logging in to the password manager.

    There are quite a few others out there.
    My employer gives us free corporate 1password, though we are free to choose others. These days, even browsers will store (and generate random) passwords. That is one of the beauties of password managers: generating passwords that are random and complex and not the 49th variation on your pet cat's name.
    You mean Tabby49 then?

    I once heard a security expert say that forcing employees to change their password every month is really counter-productive. Either people just increment a sequential number to their existing password, which is worthless in security terms, or people start writing down the password on a post-it in their drawer.
    Yes. Last time I looked, both our own NCSC and the American CERT have turned against frequent password changes. Best to check that before telling your CIO he's a prat though!

    The big problems are phishing (persuading you to click on a dodgy email link), credential stuffing (where the hacker finds your Tabby49 password and quickly tries the combination of eristdoof/Tabby49 on all banking and ecommerce sites, which is why we should never use the same password twice) and unpatched or misconfigured software as eloquently described at the start of this very thread! :wink:
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,247
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I still find it incredible that the England death rate is down to under 10 per day by death date, if this information had been revealed sooner how much more economically confident would individuals and businesses feel? I think the PHE has cost us 2-3% of the recovery and necessitated schemes like eat out to help out, it was such a bad decision not to have an end date of the virus and their protests and trying to force a 60 day measure was awful. Glad that the DoH has stood firm and insisted on the internationally comparable measure rather than something cooked up to make everyone stay home to "protect the NHS".

    " “The ideology of zero risk is dangerous,” says Yonathan Freund, a Sorbonne professor and Editor of the European Journal of Emergency Medicine "

    Telegraph
    The problem is that most of the lay population believes in zero risk. Too many subjects have been affected by this delusion. People no longer use sensible cost-benefit analysis (NICE does, when deciding what NHS procedures to allow).
    I don't think so, but the risk of death has been massively overstated for the last 2 to 3 months which has weighed on people's confidence to go out and spend money. As I said, if it was common knowledge that only around 20 people per day were dying of COVID and not 80 as was previously reported people would have been more ready to go out. Not just that the death rate has been stuck at around 50 per day for weeks which is another signal of "this hasn't gone away, we should still stay indoors".
    I'm not so sure about this. Most people are not staying indoors - they are out and about. The exception is the old and/or vulnerable who are still being cautious, and have been since mid March. But perhaps the number of deaths would have been sustained at a higher level if this group were not still being cautious.
    And there's also a good chance that they'll carry on being this cautious indefinitely. Indeed, quite possibly, permanently.

    The longer that some people keep on pretending that it's April, are too afraid to go out anywhere unless forced to grocery shop, and keep on sitting at home and adopting other chronic self-isolator habits like disinfecting and quarantining their parcels until they're convinced any contamination has been removed, the harder they are going to find it ever to return to life as it was previously lived.

    Fast forward another year or two and there'll still be a significant cohort of the terrified, shuffling into supermarkets once a week at eight o'clock in the morning wearing masks and gloves, and spending the rest of their lives shut up at home. It will have become such an entrenched habit that they'll no longer be able to help themselves.
    Well, you jest, but I am finding a significant minority of patients habituated into what seems to be Covid-19 induced agoraphobia*.

    *literally true as means fear of marketplaces.
    Can I ask how many have some sort of justification for that change ?

    Do they already have health vulnerabilities or do they know people who have died for example ?
    Strangely, it seems very poorly correlated with what I would asses as risk, particularly weighed against the conditions that I see them for. More to do with precovid personality traits.

    One of our trick-cyclists told me that the national suicide rate is up 25% on last year.
    To be more serious than my other post, that number does not at all surprise me.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I still find it incredible that the England death rate is down to under 10 per day by death date, if this information had been revealed sooner how much more economically confident would individuals and businesses feel? I think the PHE has cost us 2-3% of the recovery and necessitated schemes like eat out to help out, it was such a bad decision not to have an end date of the virus and their protests and trying to force a 60 day measure was awful. Glad that the DoH has stood firm and insisted on the internationally comparable measure rather than something cooked up to make everyone stay home to "protect the NHS".

    " “The ideology of zero risk is dangerous,” says Yonathan Freund, a Sorbonne professor and Editor of the European Journal of Emergency Medicine "

    Telegraph
    The problem is that most of the lay population believes in zero risk. Too many subjects have been affected by this delusion. People no longer use sensible cost-benefit analysis (NICE does, when deciding what NHS procedures to allow).
    I don't think so, but the risk of death has been massively overstated for the last 2 to 3 months which has weighed on people's confidence to go out and spend money. As I said, if it was common knowledge that only around 20 people per day were dying of COVID and not 80 as was previously reported people would have been more ready to go out. Not just that the death rate has been stuck at around 50 per day for weeks which is another signal of "this hasn't gone away, we should still stay indoors".
    I'm not so sure about this. Most people are not staying indoors - they are out and about. The exception is the old and/or vulnerable who are still being cautious, and have been since mid March. But perhaps the number of deaths would have been sustained at a higher level if this group were not still being cautious.
    And there's also a good chance that they'll carry on being this cautious indefinitely. Indeed, quite possibly, permanently.

    The longer that some people keep on pretending that it's April, are too afraid to go out anywhere unless forced to grocery shop, and keep on sitting at home and adopting other chronic self-isolator habits like disinfecting and quarantining their parcels until they're convinced any contamination has been removed, the harder they are going to find it ever to return to life as it was previously lived.

    Fast forward another year or two and there'll still be a significant cohort of the terrified, shuffling into supermarkets once a week at eight o'clock in the morning wearing masks and gloves, and spending the rest of their lives shut up at home. It will have become such an entrenched habit that they'll no longer be able to help themselves.
    Well, you jest, but I am finding a significant minority of patients habituated into what seems to be Covid-19 induced agoraphobia*.

    *literally true as means fear of marketplaces.
    Can I ask how many have some sort of justification for that change ?

    Do they already have health vulnerabilities or do they know people who have died for example ?
    Strangely, it seems very poorly correlated with what I would asses as risk, particularly weighed against the conditions that I see them for. More to do with precovid personality traits.

    One of our trick-cyclists told me that the national suicide rate is up 25% on last year.
    Not picking on you foxy but could you give numbers not percentages. A 25% increase from 4 to 5 is noise a 25% increase from 10 mill to 12.5 mill is concerning
    It was quoted as a national figure, with a baseline of 100 per week.
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