It's anecdotoclock: Plenty of folk sat in the beer garden of our local boozer.
I then saw someone heading in to the convenience store. Without a face covering. Dickhead.
Little evidence of face masks in shops here in Wales
Don't tell RobD he will put you down as an anti masker for suggesting the ons stats are obviously flawed
Did you read the ONS page? Wales has figures much lower than the rest of GB.
Nope the headline figure is so obviously wrong. When I went to tesco's today the usage was far short of 96%. There were probably 200 people there which is 1/6 of the size sample that the ons used for a couple of orders magnitude less of a population size
200 of about 110,000 vs 1235 of 65,000,000.
So the conclusion is either
a) Slough is completely different to the rest of the country b) The ONS survey has some flaw to it
The simpler of the two explanations is b) therefore applying Occams razor as I can't prove either a or b then it seems likely that b is the answer
Someone posted the question up thread
I read “have you worn a mask outside in the past week” to mean AT LEAST ONCE not always. If so I can believe 96%
Which was also a point I made but it fell upon fallow ground. As I said I would have appeared as a yes even though I don't intend to follow the law unless absolutely forced to. Thankfully most shops here haven't even tried to enforce it. Nor have I had any Hyufd's screaming in my face but then I am a reasonably well built guy so might have an influence on them trying to pick on me
Wearing a mask is for the protection of others, maybe think about those to whom infection would be a disaster whilst you whip round the supermarket.
And I protect others by taking measures not to get infected myself, whereas others goto bars and risk infection. I suspect my precautions make it a lot less likely I give it to someone than the average pub goer
Therefore wearing one for ten minutes whilst in tescos would be the icing on the cake, not a big ask
No not happening. I already do my bit by not visiting the plague pits they wished to reopen. Its a farcical law made by a government who wanted to do something and this was something so they did it. When laws are stupid then civil disobedience is warranted.
While I would be happily disobeying this law, I should note that I can't due to COPD and asthma and apparently am medically exempt. So sadly even though not wanting to I am complying with legislation which is a complete downer
You could have saved a lot of time by saying you were exempt from mask wearing.
Why it is irrelevant as I only found out 2 days ago and I am more incensed by the whole thing. To me it seems mask wearing in shops has suddenly been bought in to try and compensate for those idiots that want to go out for a pint with friends. They are inconveniencing 100% of people for the 30% minority that still visits pubs and they can go swivel if they think I am inconveniencing myself so some people who can't do without their friday night bevy then they can go imitate the oozlum bird.
A utilitarian would say mildly inconveniencing everyone so that all the people who work in pubs keep their jobs and their kids don’t starve in the streets would be a net gain for society.
A libertarian would be in favour of the government taking a mild step va the excessive use of force that would be required to stop the starving children from pillaging shops for food
You’re having a larf. England will never chase over 170 on this wicket against these bowlers.
I will eat a pizza with pineapple on it if England win this match.
What's your view of chicken with pasta? I presume ,as a purist against?
(In these heady stakes I should declare myself as a pineapple with ham vague supporter, and actually on a pizza I think the combination works best. )
Chicken is fine with spirali, chicken with any other pasta is unacceptable.
Ok, so how does spirali make the grade?
Doesn't all pasta taste the same and only the shape differs? (excepting things like verde types naturally etc)
Good Lord, Don't let @Cyclefree catch you talking like that! Pasta varies considerably in shape, thickness and in surface area, each property affecting both cooking effects and sauce adherence. In short, some pastas work much better with particular sauces.
Chicken doesn't belong in pasta or pizza obviously.
Downloading the spreadsheet and it makes fascinating reading;
Last Friday (July 31st) - rail passenger numbers were 25% of pre-pandemic levels, London Underground had 27% of pre-pandemic passengers while cycling was at 125% of pre-pandemic levels.
Road traffic has returned to almost pre-pandemic levels (I can attest that from the A406 and the A13).
Transport for London isn't going to be financially viable with 27% of passenger numbers on the tube and 50% of bus passengers. It also suggests the big "return to work" hasn't materialised as yet.
I suspect we will get more coercion to normality from the Prime Minister later in the month - the transport operators will no doubt be back to Rishi with the begging bowl or there will have to be savage service cuts.
It's anecdotoclock: Plenty of folk sat in the beer garden of our local boozer.
I then saw someone heading in to the convenience store. Without a face covering. Dickhead.
Little evidence of face masks in shops here in Wales
Don't tell RobD he will put you down as an anti masker for suggesting the ons stats are obviously flawed
Did you read the ONS page? Wales has figures much lower than the rest of GB.
Nope the headline figure is so obviously wrong. When I went to tesco's today the usage was far short of 96%. There were probably 200 people there which is 1/6 of the size sample that the ons used for a couple of orders magnitude less of a population size
200 of about 110,000 vs 1235 of 65,000,000.
So the conclusion is either
a) Slough is completely different to the rest of the country b) The ONS survey has some flaw to it
The simpler of the two explanations is b) therefore applying Occams razor as I can't prove either a or b then it seems likely that b is the answer
Someone posted the question up thread
I read “have you worn a mask outside in the past week” to mean AT LEAST ONCE not always. If so I can believe 96%
Which was also a point I made but it fell upon fallow ground. As I said I would have appeared as a yes even though I don't intend to follow the law unless absolutely forced to. Thankfully most shops here haven't even tried to enforce it. Nor have I had any Hyufd's screaming in my face but then I am a reasonably well built guy so might have an influence on them trying to pick on me
Wearing a mask is for the protection of others, maybe think about those to whom infection would be a disaster whilst you whip round the supermarket.
And I protect others by taking measures not to get infected myself, whereas others goto bars and risk infection. I suspect my precautions make it a lot less likely I give it to someone than the average pub goer
Therefore wearing one for ten minutes whilst in tescos would be the icing on the cake, not a big ask
No not happening. I already do my bit by not visiting the plague pits they wished to reopen. Its a farcical law made by a government who wanted to do something and this was something so they did it. When laws are stupid then civil disobedience is warranted.
While I would be happily disobeying this law, I should note that I can't due to COPD and asthma and apparently am medically exempt. So sadly even though not wanting to I am complying with legislation which is a complete downer
You could always walk into Tesco stark bollock naked if you want to protest against legislation requiring you to cover various parts of your anatomy.
Wait until Thursday when if that Guardian article is correct the entire education system will suddenly implode.
You can’t possibly trust an exam system when it is run by liars who don’t understand basic principles of assessment, statistics or administration.
FPT: With this leak it seems that the results are going to be discredited and worthless even before students get them. It’s an absolute disaster.
I mean, who is going to take any notice of them now? Nobody. At least with teacher assessment in the mix, small subjects may be okay but that will just screw over larger subject cohorts even more as they become manipulated out of recognition.
So, not only are they trying their level best to kill or maim me but now they are ignoring my last couple of years’ work. Just what is the point anymore?
Downloading the spreadsheet and it makes fascinating reading;
Last Friday (July 31st) - rail passenger numbers were 25% of pre-pandemic levels, London Underground had 27% of pre-pandemic passengers while cycling was at 125% of pre-pandemic levels.
Road traffic has returned to almost pre-pandemic levels (I can attest that from the A406 and the A13).
Transport for London isn't going to be financially viable with 27% of passenger numbers on the tube and 50% of bus passengers. It also suggests the big "return to work" hasn't materialised as yet.
I suspect we will get more coercion to normality from the Prime Minister later in the month - the transport operators will no doubt be back to Rishi with the begging bowl or there will have to be savage service cuts.
Most companies with offices in Central London, that I know of, are talking about next year at the earliest, for bringing back the vast majority of WFH staff.
Some are allowing limited numbers in (max 10% usually) - usually people who don't have suitable WFH conditions.
Downloading the spreadsheet and it makes fascinating reading;
Last Friday (July 31st) - rail passenger numbers were 25% of pre-pandemic levels, London Underground had 27% of pre-pandemic passengers while cycling was at 125% of pre-pandemic levels.
Road traffic has returned to almost pre-pandemic levels (I can attest that from the A406 and the A13).
Transport for London isn't going to be financially viable with 27% of passenger numbers on the tube and 50% of bus passengers. It also suggests the big "return to work" hasn't materialised as yet.
I suspect we will get more coercion to normality from the Prime Minister later in the month - the transport operators will no doubt be back to Rishi with the begging bowl or there will have to be savage service cuts.
We have come under clear pressure from the Corporation of London to return in September
It's anecdotoclock: Plenty of folk sat in the beer garden of our local boozer.
I then saw someone heading in to the convenience store. Without a face covering. Dickhead.
Little evidence of face masks in shops here in Wales
Don't tell RobD he will put you down as an anti masker for suggesting the ons stats are obviously flawed
Did you read the ONS page? Wales has figures much lower than the rest of GB.
Nope the headline figure is so obviously wrong. When I went to tesco's today the usage was far short of 96%. There were probably 200 people there which is 1/6 of the size sample that the ons used for a couple of orders magnitude less of a population size
200 of about 110,000 vs 1235 of 65,000,000.
So the conclusion is either
a) Slough is completely different to the rest of the country b) The ONS survey has some flaw to it
The simpler of the two explanations is b) therefore applying Occams razor as I can't prove either a or b then it seems likely that b is the answer
Someone posted the question up thread
I read “have you worn a mask outside in the past week” to mean AT LEAST ONCE not always. If so I can believe 96%
Which was also a point I made but it fell upon fallow ground. As I said I would have appeared as a yes even though I don't intend to follow the law unless absolutely forced to. Thankfully most shops here haven't even tried to enforce it. Nor have I had any Hyufd's screaming in my face but then I am a reasonably well built guy so might have an influence on them trying to pick on me
Wearing a mask is for the protection of others, maybe think about those to whom infection would be a disaster whilst you whip round the supermarket.
And I protect others by taking measures not to get infected myself, whereas others goto bars and risk infection. I suspect my precautions make it a lot less likely I give it to someone than the average pub goer
Therefore wearing one for ten minutes whilst in tescos would be the icing on the cake, not a big ask
No not happening. I already do my bit by not visiting the plague pits they wished to reopen. Its a farcical law made by a government who wanted to do something and this was something so they did it. When laws are stupid then civil disobedience is warranted.
While I would be happily disobeying this law, I should note that I can't due to COPD and asthma and apparently am medically exempt. So sadly even though not wanting to I am complying with legislation which is a complete downer
You could always walk into Tesco stark bollock naked if you want to protest against legislation requiring you to cover various parts of your anatomy.
Wearing a mask to cover his nether regions would be more impactful
Downloading the spreadsheet and it makes fascinating reading;
Last Friday (July 31st) - rail passenger numbers were 25% of pre-pandemic levels, London Underground had 27% of pre-pandemic passengers while cycling was at 125% of pre-pandemic levels.
Road traffic has returned to almost pre-pandemic levels (I can attest that from the A406 and the A13).
Transport for London isn't going to be financially viable with 27% of passenger numbers on the tube and 50% of bus passengers. It also suggests the big "return to work" hasn't materialised as yet.
I suspect we will get more coercion to normality from the Prime Minister later in the month - the transport operators will no doubt be back to Rishi with the begging bowl or there will have to be savage service cuts.
Most companies with offices in Central London, that I know of, are talking about next year at the earliest, for bringing back the vast majority of WFH staff.
Some are allowing limited numbers in (max 10% usually) - usually people who don't have suitable WFH conditions.
I'm sure that the 2 people in our office today enjoyed the experience. 2 out of over 400.
I wouldn't be surprised if we get told that the offices will be closing again. Or only opening a couple of days each week.
Most companies with offices in Central London, that I know of, are talking about next year at the earliest, for bringing back the vast majority of WFH staff.
Some are allowing limited numbers in (max 10% usually) - usually people who don't have suitable WFH conditions.
A fascinating little piece on the BBC which may or may not be accurate but it shows some thinking apart from the "get back to your desk" mentality of the Daily Mail and others:
It's anecdotoclock: Plenty of folk sat in the beer garden of our local boozer.
I then saw someone heading in to the convenience store. Without a face covering. Dickhead.
Little evidence of face masks in shops here in Wales
Don't tell RobD he will put you down as an anti masker for suggesting the ons stats are obviously flawed
Did you read the ONS page? Wales has figures much lower than the rest of GB.
Nope the headline figure is so obviously wrong. When I went to tesco's today the usage was far short of 96%. There were probably 200 people there which is 1/6 of the size sample that the ons used for a couple of orders magnitude less of a population size
200 of about 110,000 vs 1235 of 65,000,000.
So the conclusion is either
a) Slough is completely different to the rest of the country b) The ONS survey has some flaw to it
The simpler of the two explanations is b) therefore applying Occams razor as I can't prove either a or b then it seems likely that b is the answer
Someone posted the question up thread
I read “have you worn a mask outside in the past week” to mean AT LEAST ONCE not always. If so I can believe 96%
Which was also a point I made but it fell upon fallow ground. As I said I would have appeared as a yes even though I don't intend to follow the law unless absolutely forced to. Thankfully most shops here haven't even tried to enforce it. Nor have I had any Hyufd's screaming in my face but then I am a reasonably well built guy so might have an influence on them trying to pick on me
Wearing a mask is for the protection of others, maybe think about those to whom infection would be a disaster whilst you whip round the supermarket.
And I protect others by taking measures not to get infected myself, whereas others goto bars and risk infection. I suspect my precautions make it a lot less likely I give it to someone than the average pub goer
Therefore wearing one for ten minutes whilst in tescos would be the icing on the cake, not a big ask
No not happening. I already do my bit by not visiting the plague pits they wished to reopen. Its a farcical law made by a government who wanted to do something and this was something so they did it. When laws are stupid then civil disobedience is warranted.
While I would be happily disobeying this law, I should note that I can't due to COPD and asthma and apparently am medically exempt. So sadly even though not wanting to I am complying with legislation which is a complete downer
You could always walk into Tesco stark bollock naked if you want to protest against legislation requiring you to cover various parts of your anatomy.
I have to admit I don't understand the polling. Before Johnson became Tory leader the party was behind in the polls. Under his leadership the party regained top spot, and he won them a decent working majority in an election that emphasised his personal brand rather than the party. Now he has seemingly become unpopular, yet the party retains its popularity.
RE: the discussion about visiting pubs and social distancing. I think some people miss the point on this by treating "2m" as some sort of magic distance to prevent infection. I think it is likely the reality that if you socialise with any infected person for any length of time you are likely to become infected (setting aside arguments about immunity etc). Or at least the likelihood that you get infected will be largely unaffected by whether you distance from them or not. In other words the key risk comes pure and simply from whether your social companion has Covid.
The key to visiting pubs etc is to stay in your group. If nobody in your group has COVID then you are basically safe. If someone has it then there is a pretty high chance you will get it, but the infection spread will (within the pub) be contained within your group (of course then there are risks of derivative spread). The issue with social distancing is when you begin to mix with other groups, generally on a fleeting basis. It is then that the 2m thing becomes really important, because if groups are mixing then it becomes much more a law of averages thing, and the limits to any potential spread within the pub/restaurant increase exponentially.
A further corollary of all this is that if you go out socialising you are best off if you generally stick within the same social groups on each occasion (this is linked to the derivative issue). It is no good socialising with one group of people on a Monday, a different group on a Tuesday, a further group on a Wednesday etc etc.
Or that's my interpretation of the situation anyway.
I have to admit I don't understand the polling. Before Johnson became Tory leader the party was behind in the polls. Under his leadership the party regained top spot, and he won them a decent working majority in an election that emphasised his personal brand rather than the party. Now he has seemingly become unpopular, yet the party retains its popularity.
Has he become unpopular? Divisive, perhaps, but I don't think that is different from before the election.
It's anecdotoclock: Plenty of folk sat in the beer garden of our local boozer.
I then saw someone heading in to the convenience store. Without a face covering. Dickhead.
Little evidence of face masks in shops here in Wales
Here in north Georgia almost everyone is wearing masks (except in restaurants with spacing). Non-maskers tend to be younger and mostly male.Costco will refuse entry without a mask, and many supermarkets are tending towards it, though not as strictly (yet) as Costco. Malls are not enforcing masks, though most wear them.
Mark Drakeford, labour's first minister here in Wales has made them mandatory on public transport but not in shops, hence the poor uptake
They're not mandatory here, though the governor recommends them. It's up to businesses to mandate them on site. One of the more nonsensical things I've seen is people who clam the whole covid thing is a left wing (or right wing) conspiracy and refuse to wear a mask as it impinges on their rights.
I really don't get the anti-maskers. Yes, masks only reduce the risk of transmission downwards by a bit over 50%, but that is the difference between an r of 1.5 and 0.75. If people want lockdowns to end, wearing masks is a pretty modest price.
I think nearly all spread is by aerosol in an indoor environment. There seem very few cases associated with fomites (contaminated objects). While masks are permeable to fine aerosols, they reduce velocity and thereby area of spread.
Sure, 3 months ago when supplies were short, it wasn't the best use, but now that isn't an issue.
What is going on with Keisha Lance Bottoms and Gretchen Whitmer who you could not give away yesterday? Of course, we are due an announcement next week so it is likely someone knows, but if you did know, you'd take all the money, not just some of it, so it can't be that Joe Biden has opened a Betfair account (ETA actually it could if all the money was taken but layers have put some back). Of course, it is a very thin market and it may be that layers are getting cold feet rather than adventurous punters. My guess it is someone overreacting to summary pieces saying these are the last few under consideration, a list largely unchanged for weeks.
RE: the discussion about visiting pubs and social distancing. I think some people miss the point on this by treating "2m" as some sort of magic distance to prevent infection. I think it is likely the reality that if you socialise with any infected person for any length of time you are likely to become infected (setting aside arguments about immunity etc). Or at least the likelihood that you get infected will be largely unaffected by whether you distance from them or not. In other words the key risk comes pure and simply from whether your social companion has Covid.
The key to visiting pubs etc is to stay in your group. If nobody in your group has COVID then you are basically safe. If someone has it then there is a pretty high chance you will get it, but the infection spread will (within the pub) be contained within your group (of course then there are risks of derivative spread). The issue with social distancing is when you begin to mix with other groups, generally on a fleeting basis. It is then that the 2m thing becomes really important, because if groups are mixing then it becomes much more a law of averages thing, and the limits to any potential spread within the pub/restaurant increase exponentially.
A further corollary of all this is that if you go out socialising you are best off if you generally stick within the same social groups on each occasion (this is linked to the derivative issue). It is no good socialising with one group of people on a Monday, a different group on a Tuesday, a further group on a Wednesday etc etc.
Or that's my interpretation of the situation anyway.
I have to disagree. If there is an infected person in the pub everyone in the place is at risk of catching it. Just look at the numbers from Aberdeen.
"Johnson is the only female and Black person on the court. The rest of the justices are White men."
The scum.
Does sound like a crap law though. Perhaps the legislatures should do something?
It is a crap law, as it was in its guise as Bill Clinton's "3 strikes" law. I've never understood what progressives saw in Clinton, at least till you remember the other lot.
I have to admit I don't understand the polling. Before Johnson became Tory leader the party was behind in the polls. Under his leadership the party regained top spot, and he won them a decent working majority in an election that emphasised his personal brand rather than the party. Now he has seemingly become unpopular, yet the party retains its popularity.
Covid. People in general aren't thinking straight. We are in trauma response. So expecting logic is pointless.
What is going on with Keisha Lance Bottoms and Gretchen Whitmer who you could not give away yesterday? Of course, we are due an announcement next week so it is likely someone knows, but if you did know, you'd take all the money, not just some of it, so it can't be that Joe Biden has opened a Betfair account (ETA actually it could if all the money was taken but layers have put some back). Of course, it is a very thin market and it may be that layers are getting cold feet rather than adventurous punters. My guess it is someone overreacting to summary pieces saying these are the last few under consideration, a list largely unchanged for weeks.
I seem to recall reading somewhere in last day or two that Whitmer was still in the mix and doing better than expected in the assessment process. Can't remember where though.
I have to admit I don't understand the polling. Before Johnson became Tory leader the party was behind in the polls. Under his leadership the party regained top spot, and he won them a decent working majority in an election that emphasised his personal brand rather than the party. Now he has seemingly become unpopular, yet the party retains its popularity.
Has he become unpopular? Divisive, perhaps, but I don't think that is different from before the election.
I agree with RobD for once.
Johnson is (very) popular with roughly 50% of the population and despised by the other half. I see little evidence this has changed.
Seems to me that if we want to stop the illegal crossings we need to change our relationship with the EU and France but right now we're doing our best to piss them all off.
Seems to me that if we want to stop the illegal crossings we need to change our relationship with the EU and France but right now we're doing our best to piss them all off.
Funny how these things come back to bite you.
They've been at this for years, with or without the EU. Remember Sangatte?
RE: the discussion about visiting pubs and social distancing. I think some people miss the point on this by treating "2m" as some sort of magic distance to prevent infection. I think it is likely the reality that if you socialise with any infected person for any length of time you are likely to become infected (setting aside arguments about immunity etc). Or at least the likelihood that you get infected will be largely unaffected by whether you distance from them or not. In other words the key risk comes pure and simply from whether your social companion has Covid.
The key to visiting pubs etc is to stay in your group. If nobody in your group has COVID then you are basically safe. If someone has it then there is a pretty high chance you will get it, but the infection spread will (within the pub) be contained within your group (of course then there are risks of derivative spread). The issue with social distancing is when you begin to mix with other groups, generally on a fleeting basis. It is then that the 2m thing becomes really important, because if groups are mixing then it becomes much more a law of averages thing, and the limits to any potential spread within the pub/restaurant increase exponentially.
A further corollary of all this is that if you go out socialising you are best off if you generally stick within the same social groups on each occasion (this is linked to the derivative issue). It is no good socialising with one group of people on a Monday, a different group on a Tuesday, a further group on a Wednesday etc etc.
Or that's my interpretation of the situation anyway.
I have to disagree. If there is an infected person in the pub everyone in the place is at risk of catching it. Just look at the numbers from Aberdeen.
That would depend on whether the pubs were trying to take measures to keep groups apart, and/or whether groups were making efforts to remain separate, wouldn’t it?
All i’m saying is that it is possible for individuals to visit pubs and take reasonable precautions. Probably pub selection is quite important as well. But maintaining 2m distance from your specific social companions is not likely to be of great importance.i
Seems to me that if we want to stop the illegal crossings we need to change our relationship with the EU and France but right now we're doing our best to piss them all off.
Funny how these things come back to bite you.
They've been at this for years, with or without the EU. Remember Sangatte?
Within the EU we had a route to stop this, we chose not to do anything, just like with other immigration.
Now we have no route and we're destroying our relationships in the process.
Seems to me that if we want to stop the illegal crossings we need to change our relationship with the EU and France but right now we're doing our best to piss them all off.
Funny how these things come back to bite you.
They've been at this for years, with or without the EU. Remember Sangatte?
Within the EU we had a route to stop this, we chose not to do anything, just like with other immigration.
Now we have no route and we're destroying our relationships in the process.
Did we? The Dublin agreement was even reached and they ignored it.
Seems to me that if we want to stop the illegal crossings we need to change our relationship with the EU and France but right now we're doing our best to piss them all off.
Funny how these things come back to bite you.
They've been at this for years, with or without the EU. Remember Sangatte?
But the French shut the camp down after pressure from the UK.
Seems to me that if we want to stop the illegal crossings we need to change our relationship with the EU and France but right now we're doing our best to piss them all off.
Funny how these things come back to bite you.
They've been at this for years, with or without the EU. Remember Sangatte?
Within the EU we had a route to stop this, we chose not to do anything, just like with other immigration.
Now we have no route and we're destroying our relationships in the process.
Did we? The Dublin agreement was even reached and they ignored it.
Seems to me that if we want to stop the illegal crossings we need to change our relationship with the EU and France but right now we're doing our best to piss them all off.
Funny how these things come back to bite you.
They've been at this for years, with or without the EU. Remember Sangatte?
Within the EU we had a route to stop this, we chose not to do anything, just like with other immigration.
Now we have no route and we're destroying our relationships in the process.
Did we? The Dublin agreement was even reached and they ignored it.
The UK Government chose to do nothing.
What are you basing that claim on? Weren't they involved in that agreement?
Seems to me that if we want to stop the illegal crossings we need to change our relationship with the EU and France but right now we're doing our best to piss them all off.
Funny how these things come back to bite you.
They've been at this for years, with or without the EU. Remember Sangatte?
Within the EU we had a route to stop this, we chose not to do anything, just like with other immigration.
Now we have no route and we're destroying our relationships in the process.
Did we? The Dublin agreement was even reached and they ignored it.
The UK Government chose to do nothing.
What are you basing that claim on? Weren't they involved in that agreement?
The UK Government chose not to act on illegal immigrants coming over the channel. Now they claim to care.
MY concern is a completely dysfunctional USA from Election Day to Inauguration Day. Obviously if Trump wins it won't be a problem but if it's very close or if he loses, I suspect we will get very little co-operation between the departing Trump and the incoming Biden administrations.
George W Bush's remarks the day after Obama won in 2008 are the epitome of class and at a very difficult time economically it was vital the transition between administrations went smoothly.
I just can't see Trump wanting to do anything to help Biden - rather, I suspect Biden will enter to a scorched Earth West Wing on January 20th 2021 and I suspect the Trump diehards will have deleted or destroyed many records.
Seems to me that if we want to stop the illegal crossings we need to change our relationship with the EU and France but right now we're doing our best to piss them all off.
Funny how these things come back to bite you.
They've been at this for years, with or without the EU. Remember Sangatte?
Within the EU we had a route to stop this, we chose not to do anything, just like with other immigration.
Now we have no route and we're destroying our relationships in the process.
Did we? The Dublin agreement was even reached and they ignored it.
The UK Government chose to do nothing.
What are you basing that claim on? Weren't they involved in that agreement?
The UK Government chose not to act on illegal immigrants coming over the channel. Now they claim to care.
They've been acting in that area for decades. The Sangatte camp was only shut down after pressure from the UK government.
"Johnson is the only female and Black person on the court. The rest of the justices are White men."
The scum.
Does sound like a crap law though. Perhaps the legislatures should do something?
It is a crap law, as it was in its guise as Bill Clinton's "3 strikes" law. I've never understood what progressives saw in Clinton, at least till you remember the other lot.
Seems to me that if we want to stop the illegal crossings we need to change our relationship with the EU and France but right now we're doing our best to piss them all off.
Funny how these things come back to bite you.
They've been at this for years, with or without the EU. Remember Sangatte?
But the French shut the camp down after pressure from the UK.
I see the President of the Ivory Coast is planning to run for a third term despite a two term limit, under the ever popular 'we've had a constitutional change, so my other terms don't count' method of maintaining control. Personally I preferred Putin's creative work around for getting around term limits the first time he had that issue, but you cannot beat the classics. And the great thing is you can always have a new constituion to reset the clock again if needed.
Downloading the spreadsheet and it makes fascinating reading;
Last Friday (July 31st) - rail passenger numbers were 25% of pre-pandemic levels, London Underground had 27% of pre-pandemic passengers while cycling was at 125% of pre-pandemic levels.
Road traffic has returned to almost pre-pandemic levels (I can attest that from the A406 and the A13).
Transport for London isn't going to be financially viable with 27% of passenger numbers on the tube and 50% of bus passengers. It also suggests the big "return to work" hasn't materialised as yet.
I suspect we will get more coercion to normality from the Prime Minister later in the month - the transport operators will no doubt be back to Rishi with the begging bowl or there will have to be savage service cuts.
The Tyne and Wear metro is not financially viable on current passenger numbers either. I believe it has been bailed out by the Government twice since lockdown began.
"In 2019, some 677,000 people moved to the UK as long-term immigrants, for reasons such as work or study.
There were also 49,000 asylum applications.
The number of asylum seekers arriving and applying to stay in other European nations is far, far higher than in the UK. Last year, some 165,600 sought asylum in Germany, 129,000 in France and 118,000 in Spain."
"In 2019, some 677,000 people moved to the UK as long-term immigrants, for reasons such as work or study.
There were also 49,000 asylum applications.
The number of asylum seekers arriving and applying to stay in other European nations is far, far higher than in the UK. Last year, some 165,600 sought asylum in Germany, 129,000 in France and 118,000 in Spain."
Why would you want to come here is what I want to know. We couldn't make it clearer we hate people coming from abroad, just take a look at the Daily Mail or Express every week for the past few years to see.
It's really becoming harder and harder for me to reconcile anything Corbyn did with the attitude he has taken since the election. He could have just left but instead he has to stick around like a bad smell.
Okay stupid question time, why can't we just trust teacher predictions for grades?
The predicted grades show a pattern of higher achievement than has actually occurred in recent years, so either this years cohort is full of geniuses or teachers' predictions are off, and too high.
What Boulton is saying is that really this does not matter very much. If the purpose of A-levels is to funnel teenagers into university, and there are so many university places to fill, and more places for home students this year, then let them in. The corollary is this will likely happen even after grades are reduced, so there's not much point in upsetting people by reducing them.
It’s a principle accepted by a much wider group of countries, not a specific “EU-good” thing.
We will need to reach an agreement to replace the Dublin Agreement.
We might but who needs to reach an agreement with us? Are floods of asylum seekers using Britain as a staging post on the way to Ireland or Germany?
Because we have a repeat game relationship.
Please don't make fun of me, but I don't understand what that means?
We are going to have multiple interactions with them on multiple topics for many years.
In a single transaction (“a single game”) it optimises your total return to cheat and steal. However if there is an indefinite series of interactions there is value to being collaborative as this will optimise total return over time. Hence if a deal on this is of value to us it is worth France doing a deal because they will get pay back elsewhere
Okay stupid question time, why can't we just trust teacher predictions for grades?
Teachers have agendas. I was predicted two Bs and two Cs for my A-Levels, I got 3As and a B in the end.
But in this case, wouldn't you end up doing worse since they're moderating the grades down in a lot of cases.
Somebody in the other thread said the moderation is based on looking at past results but if there are lots of new GCSEs and so on as I understand there are, it doesn't seem like they have a lot to go on.
It's anecdotoclock: Plenty of folk sat in the beer garden of our local boozer.
I then saw someone heading in to the convenience store. Without a face covering. Dickhead.
Little evidence of face masks in shops here in Wales
Don't tell RobD he will put you down as an anti masker for suggesting the ons stats are obviously flawed
Did you read the ONS page? Wales has figures much lower than the rest of GB.
Nope the headline figure is so obviously wrong. When I went to tesco's today the usage was far short of 96%. There were probably 200 people there which is 1/6 of the size sample that the ons used for a couple of orders magnitude less of a population size
200 of about 110,000 vs 1235 of 65,000,000.
So the conclusion is either
a) Slough is completely different to the rest of the country b) The ONS survey has some flaw to it
The simpler of the two explanations is b) therefore applying Occams razor as I can't prove either a or b then it seems likely that b is the answer
Someone posted the question up thread
I read “have you worn a mask outside in the past week” to mean AT LEAST ONCE not always. If so I can believe 96%
Which was also a point I made but it fell upon fallow ground. As I said I would have appeared as a yes even though I don't intend to follow the law unless absolutely forced to. Thankfully most shops here haven't even tried to enforce it. Nor have I had any Hyufd's screaming in my face but then I am a reasonably well built guy so might have an influence on them trying to pick on me
Wearing a mask is for the protection of others, maybe think about those to whom infection would be a disaster whilst you whip round the supermarket.
And I protect others by taking measures not to get infected myself, whereas others goto bars and risk infection. I suspect my precautions make it a lot less likely I give it to someone than the average pub goer
Therefore wearing one for ten minutes whilst in tescos would be the icing on the cake, not a big ask
No not happening. I already do my bit by not visiting the plague pits they wished to reopen. Its a farcical law made by a government who wanted to do something and this was something so they did it. When laws are stupid then civil disobedience is warranted.
While I would be happily disobeying this law, I should note that I can't due to COPD and asthma and apparently am medically exempt. So sadly even though not wanting to I am complying with legislation which is a complete downer
You could always walk into Tesco stark bollock naked if you want to protest against legislation requiring you to cover various parts of your anatomy.
Okay stupid question time, why can't we just trust teacher predictions for grades?
Teachers have agendas. I was predicted two Bs and two Cs for my A-Levels, I got 3As and a B in the end.
But in this case, wouldn't you end up doing worse since they're moderating the grades down in a lot of cases.
Well no, I'd take the exam sitting in November, however, in the same way teachers have negative agendas they also have positive ones, usually a lot more of those. I'm interested to see what evidence is going to be used for the grade changes.
Okay stupid question time, why can't we just trust teacher predictions for grades?
Teachers have agendas. I was predicted two Bs and two Cs for my A-Levels, I got 3As and a B in the end.
But in this case, wouldn't you end up doing worse since they're moderating the grades down in a lot of cases.
Somebody in the other thread said the moderation is based on looking at past results but if there are lots of new GCSEs and so on as I understand there are, it doesn't seem like they have a lot to go on.
It does not really matter if there are new GCSEs. If the Ed Sec or OfQual decrees there should be 10 per cent grade As, 30 per cent Bs and so on, then that can be made to happen. Usually it would be done by sliding pass marks up and down, this year by reducing predicted grades.
And this can be unfair on pupils because Mr Jones might have predicted As for everyone while Miss Smith in the neighbouring school predicted Bs for her equally smart students.
But life is unfair. Imagine sitting A-levels today, Friday. In the South East you'd have been roasting but in other parts of the country it was quite pleasant. Some students have hay fever, others don't. Some have books and the interweb at home, others not. And so on and so forth.
Personally, I cannot understand why the government did not allow the exams to go ahead as normal but it didn't so now school leavers are in a bit of a pickle. On aggregate, solutions are easy. At the individual level, there will be injustices.
What is going on with Keisha Lance Bottoms and Gretchen Whitmer who you could not give away yesterday? Of course, we are due an announcement next week so it is likely someone knows, but if you did know, you'd take all the money, not just some of it, so it can't be that Joe Biden has opened a Betfair account (ETA actually it could if all the money was taken but layers have put some back). Of course, it is a very thin market and it may be that layers are getting cold feet rather than adventurous punters. My guess it is someone overreacting to summary pieces saying these are the last few under consideration, a list largely unchanged for weeks.
I seem to recall reading somewhere in last day or two that Whitmer was still in the mix and doing better than expected in the assessment process. Can't remember where though.
Both women are available at bigger prices with traditional bookmakers.
Trump is doing better - in net approval ratings - that the two US Presidents who failed to be re-elected: Carter and Bush. But he's doing worse than all the Presidents who did get re-elected.
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A libertarian would be in favour of the government taking a mild step va the excessive use of force that would be required to stop the starving children from pillaging shops for food
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/transport-use-during-the-coronavirus-covid-19-pandemic
Downloading the spreadsheet and it makes fascinating reading;
Last Friday (July 31st) - rail passenger numbers were 25% of pre-pandemic levels, London Underground had 27% of pre-pandemic passengers while cycling was at 125% of pre-pandemic levels.
Road traffic has returned to almost pre-pandemic levels (I can attest that from the A406 and the A13).
Transport for London isn't going to be financially viable with 27% of passenger numbers on the tube and 50% of bus passengers. It also suggests the big "return to work" hasn't materialised as yet.
I suspect we will get more coercion to normality from the Prime Minister later in the month - the transport operators will no doubt be back to Rishi with the begging bowl or there will have to be savage service cuts.
I mean, who is going to take any notice of them now? Nobody. At least with teacher assessment in the mix, small subjects may be okay but that will just screw over larger subject cohorts even more as they become manipulated out of recognition.
So, not only are they trying their level best to kill or maim me but now they are ignoring my last couple of years’ work. Just what is the point anymore?
Some are allowing limited numbers in (max 10% usually) - usually people who don't have suitable WFH conditions.
I wouldn't be surprised if we get told that the offices will be closing again. Or only opening a couple of days each week.
The scum.
Does sound like a crap law though. Perhaps the legislatures should do something?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-dc2d6e2d-3ab4-42de-8d03-bb7eda5fff8e
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The key to visiting pubs etc is to stay in your group. If nobody in your group has COVID then you are basically safe. If someone has it then there is a pretty high chance you will get it, but the infection spread will (within the pub) be contained within your group (of course then there are risks of derivative spread). The issue with social distancing is when you begin to mix with other groups, generally on a fleeting basis. It is then that the 2m thing becomes really important, because if groups are mixing then it becomes much more a law of averages thing, and the limits to any potential spread within the pub/restaurant increase exponentially.
A further corollary of all this is that if you go out socialising you are best off if you generally stick within the same social groups on each occasion (this is linked to the derivative issue). It is no good socialising with one group of people on a Monday, a different group on a Tuesday, a further group on a Wednesday etc etc.
Or that's my interpretation of the situation anyway.
Kamala Harris: 2.06
Susan Rice: 3.15
Keisha Lance Bottoms: 10
Gretchen Whitmer: 15.5
Tammy Duckworth: 17.5
Val Demings: 20
Elizabeth Warren: 27
Karen Bass: 30
Michelle Obama: 34
Michelle Lujan Grisham: 65
Hillary Clinton: 110
Gina Raimondo: 120
Stacey Abrams: 170
Barack Obama: 320
What is going on with Keisha Lance Bottoms and Gretchen Whitmer who you could not give away yesterday? Of course, we are due an announcement next week so it is likely someone knows, but if you did know, you'd take all the money, not just some of it, so it can't be that Joe Biden has opened a Betfair account (ETA actually it could if all the money was taken but layers have put some back). Of course, it is a very thin market and it may be that layers are getting cold feet rather than adventurous punters. My guess it is someone overreacting to summary pieces saying these are the last few under consideration, a list largely unchanged for weeks.
https://twitter.com/Oldfirmfacts1/status/1291831744446988289?s=20
We will need to reach an agreement to replace the Dublin Agreement.
People in general aren't thinking straight. We are in trauma response. So expecting logic is pointless.
This is the kind of Twitter PR Labour needs
Johnson is (very) popular with roughly 50% of the population and despised by the other half. I see little evidence this has changed.
Funny how these things come back to bite you.
All i’m saying is that it is possible for individuals to visit pubs and take reasonable precautions. Probably pub selection is quite important as well. But maintaining 2m distance from your specific social companions is not likely to be of great importance.i
Now we have no route and we're destroying our relationships in the process.
Going to go out on a limb here and say I disagree with a whole life sentence for stealing hedge clippers.
My money would be on Priti.
George W Bush's remarks the day after Obama won in 2008 are the epitome of class and at a very difficult time economically it was vital the transition between administrations went smoothly.
I just can't see Trump wanting to do anything to help Biden - rather, I suspect Biden will enter to a scorched Earth West Wing on January 20th 2021 and I suspect the Trump diehards will have deleted or destroyed many records.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/07/thousands-serial-burglars-escaping-mandatory-three-year-jail/
THIS IS NOT A GOOD THING, Jesus Christ
Build more houses, increase supply, cut prices. Record prices is no good for anyone trying to buy a house, especially those under 35.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53699511
"In 2019, some 677,000 people moved to the UK as long-term immigrants, for reasons such as work or study.
There were also 49,000 asylum applications.
The number of asylum seekers arriving and applying to stay in other European nations is far, far higher than in the UK. Last year, some 165,600 sought asylum in Germany, 129,000 in France and 118,000 in Spain."
https://twitter.com/AgentSoulful007/status/1291788052092919811
Buy to let and 2nd home rush on by sounds it from other articles I've seen.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53697256
Masterful.
Okay stupid question time, why can't we just trust teacher predictions for grades?
What Boulton is saying is that really this does not matter very much. If the purpose of A-levels is to funnel teenagers into university, and there are so many university places to fill, and more places for home students this year, then let them in. The corollary is this will likely happen even after grades are reduced, so there's not much point in upsetting people by reducing them.
0.01% of our GDP possibly saved, just a bit of capitulation to go
In a single transaction (“a single game”) it optimises your total return to cheat and steal. However if there is an indefinite series of interactions there is value to being collaborative as this will optimise total return over time. Hence if a deal on this is of value to us it is worth France doing a deal because they will get pay back elsewhere
Somebody in the other thread said the moderation is based on looking at past results but if there are lots of new GCSEs and so on as I understand there are, it doesn't seem like they have a lot to go on.
Starmer needs to get a tighter grip on who speaks for Labour on TV.
"‘White privilege’: an elite ideology
Identity politics destroys class solidarity, and that suits the powerful just fine.
Tom Slater"
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/08/07/white-privilege-an-elite-ideology/
And this can be unfair on pupils because Mr Jones might have predicted As for everyone while Miss Smith in the neighbouring school predicted Bs for her equally smart students.
But life is unfair. Imagine sitting A-levels today, Friday. In the South East you'd have been roasting but in other parts of the country it was quite pleasant. Some students have hay fever, others don't. Some have books and the interweb at home, others not. And so on and so forth.
Personally, I cannot understand why the government did not allow the exams to go ahead as normal but it didn't so now school leavers are in a bit of a pickle. On aggregate, solutions are easy. At the individual level, there will be injustices.
Trump is doing better - in net approval ratings - that the two US Presidents who failed to be re-elected: Carter and Bush. But he's doing worse than all the Presidents who did get re-elected.
Which suggests a fairly knife-edge election.