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  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    I thought the link would show up better than this, apologies. It is John Bercow (I know how much people like him on here) commenting in somewhat unfavorable terms on the subject of Chris Grayling.
    Who’s John Bercow?
    Who's Chris Grayling?
    Doesn’t @HYUFD know him? Or is the other daft bald one?
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I must away, but I will just leave this for the fanbois...

    https://twitter.com/mfletchertimes/status/1285250016320327680

    As I have mentioned many times before...Johnson has little or no qualities of leadership. Having him as PM right now is like putting Private Pike in charge of the D Day landings.
    He clearly has at least one quality of leadership which cannot be denied - the quality to get people to follow him - even if what he does with that quality is not what many of us like.
    Fair comment
    Following and voting are similar but not the same. Many people vote to keep the other lot out. Becoming PM is a bit more important than being able to win a beauty contest for ugly people
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:
    No it’s how someone who doesn’t care what he looks like dresses when he wants to go for a long walk in the sun

    Sun hat: check
    Comfortable shoes: check
    Walking stick: check
    Does anyone not look at that and think "what a twat"? Even his wife must think it.
    I am sure I have gone out wearing similar in the past (probably a panama abd definitely not in town)
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    [snip]

    People though will judge Boris and his government on how covid and the economic crisis works out, nothing more nothing less

    Absolutely 100% agreed.

    This is what I was saying - to much ridicule - when the Cummings story was dominating the news and while people here were claiming it was "the biggest story of the century so far". Bigger than Brexit, the Iraq War and 9/11.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    I am not sure in what context it would have been appropriate for this nurse to offer commentary on Dominic Cummings.

    She would have been asked by the journos. And nurses know about, and are very keen on, infection control. There will be specialist public health nurses. Quite legitimate for the head nurse to comment on such issues.
    It would have been legitimate for her to speak about infection control, but also fairly basic media training to bat away a question about the personal behaviour of a Government advisor. Speaking on the former does not necessitate failure to do the latter. By the way, if she'd offered full-hearted support to Cummings in response to that question, that would also be innaproproate.

    And if she were asked whether doing what Mr C did - but anonymised - was good infection control?

    It wouldn't have worked, because they would have been looking for her to judge the essentialness or otherwise of Cummings' travel, which she wasn't in a position to do. Essential travel was allowed. All she would do in that instance would be blandly repeat the official advice.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,608

    Scott_xP said:

    I must away, but I will just leave this for the fanbois...

    https://twitter.com/mfletchertimes/status/1285250016320327680

    All true.

    Still better than the alternative was in December.
    Or his predecessor.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/jul/20/la-liga-leganes-relegated-silence-solitude-sadness-sid-lowe

    Interesting snippet at the end of Sid Lowe's piece:

    This has been Lionel Messi’s worst season in years. He has scored 25 goals and provided 22 assists.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,675
    edited July 2020
    Charles said:

    When is the new batman movie being released? My home gets blown up in the opening scenes 😂
    1st of October 2021.

    Also features the gorgeous R-Patz as Batman.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,149

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I must away, but I will just leave this for the fanbois...

    https://twitter.com/mfletchertimes/status/1285250016320327680

    As I have mentioned many times before...Johnson has little or no qualities of leadership. Having him as PM right now is like putting Private Pike in charge of the D Day landings.
    He clearly has at least one quality of leadership which cannot be denied - the quality to get people to follow him - even if what he does with that quality is not what many of us like.
    Fair comment
    Following and voting are similar but not the same. Many people vote to keep the other lot out. Becoming PM is a bit more important than being able to win a beauty contest for ugly people
    No, being a good PM is more important than that, becoming PM absolutely is that. And your distinction between following and voting is unprovable, since it enables you to decide those who vote for him do not follow him, thus making electoral accomplishments irrelevant, which I think is a bit of a mistake when judging political leaders. Obviously some will vote just to keep out the other lot, but they still have to not be offput by you, and we don't know how many fit that description.

    Besides which, this wasn't about defending him. It was about noting that, for whatever reason, he gets enough media people backing him, he gets enough politicians backing him, and he gets enough of the public to back him. I don't think that's a good thing, and none of that says anything about the quality of the job he is doing now he has the top job, but drawing arbitrary distinction to avoid acknowledging he does have some level of political quality seems like a mistake to me.

    It's self comforting, but unhelpful.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Charles said:

    When is the new batman movie being released? My home gets blown up in the opening scenes 😂
    I can't understand the logic of Robert Pattinson as Bruce Wayne/Batman. Frankly does not seem remotely an appropriate pick to me. Seems an even worse pick than George Clooney.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    When is the new batman movie being released? My home gets blown up in the opening scenes 😂
    1st of October 2021.

    Also features the gorgeous R-Patz as Batman.
    I never asked if my gaff was the Wayne’s or the baddies... 🧐
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    [snip]

    People though will judge Boris and his government on how covid and the economic crisis works out, nothing more nothing less

    Absolutely 100% agreed.

    This is what I was saying - to much ridicule - when the Cummings story was dominating the news and while people here were claiming it was "the biggest story of the century so far". Bigger than Brexit, the Iraq War and 9/11.
    Can you point to where people were saying that on PB?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    When is the new batman movie being released? My home gets blown up in the opening scenes 😂
    I can't understand the logic of Robert Pattinson as Bruce Wayne/Batman. Frankly does not seem remotely an appropriate pick to me. Seems an even worse pick than George Clooney.
    Money... it’s usually money
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,675
    edited July 2020
    109 Nobel laureates versus 53 laureates.

    My god, Oxford is even behind JCL universities formed in the 20th century.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,608
    edited July 2020

    [snip]

    People though will judge Boris and his government on how covid and the economic crisis works out, nothing more nothing less

    Absolutely 100% agreed.

    This is what I was saying - to much ridicule - when the Cummings story was dominating the news and while people here were claiming it was "the biggest story of the century so far". Bigger than Brexit, the Iraq War and 9/11.
    Can you point to where people were saying that on PB?
    How many threads here on Dominic Cummings' road trip?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    edited July 2020

    Scott_xP said:

    I must away, but I will just leave this for the fanbois...

    https://twitter.com/mfletchertimes/status/1285250016320327680

    As I have mentioned many times before...Johnson has little or no qualities of leadership. Having him as PM right now is like putting Private Pike in charge of the D Day landings.
    Yet Iain Dale did a phone in on Sunday about Boris’s first year, and almost all of the callers were more positive about him than Iain himself. Obviously it’s a small sample not representative of anything, but it was remarkable nevertheless. Few of them seemed to be paying attention to much other than Brexit, his own recovery from the virus, and the generally challenging times.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Ah, this is the cancel Culture I've heard so much about.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    Scott_xP said:

    I must away, but I will just leave this for the fanbois...

    https://twitter.com/mfletchertimes/status/1285250016320327680

    So abysmal he is still ahead in the polls!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:
    No it’s how someone who doesn’t care what he looks like dresses when he wants to go for a long walk in the sun

    Sun hat: check
    Comfortable shoes: check
    Walking stick: check
    Does anyone not look at that and think "what a twat"? Even his wife must think it.
    I am sure I have gone out wearing similar in the past (probably a panama abd definitely not in town)
    Did you convert any natives to the true faith?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    IanB2 said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:
    No it’s how someone who doesn’t care what he looks like dresses when he wants to go for a long walk in the sun

    Sun hat: check
    Comfortable shoes: check
    Walking stick: check
    Does anyone not look at that and think "what a twat"? Even his wife must think it.
    I am sure I have gone out wearing similar in the past (probably a panama abd definitely not in town)
    Did you convert any natives to the true faith?
    Nah - I was just going for a walk in my Mum’s garden
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    In other good news (I'm trying to have a glass half-full day and not dwell on the possibility that the Oxford project might still come to nothing,) a quick trawl of the latest available hospital stats indicates that the number of patients in UK hospitals with the virus is down 22% in a week and still shows no sign of levelling off. Those in ventilator beds are down 25%, with the total number now under 150. Hopefully the uptick in cases we've seen recently is down to intensive testing drives in the remaining hotspots driving up the percentage of total positive tests accounted for by asymptomatic infections, rather than an early indicator of these encouraging trends going into reverse.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,599
    O/T

    "Should Nick Cannon be cancelled?

    His anti-Semitism is vile. But forcing him out of polite society is not the answer.
    HANA CHELACHE"

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/07/20/should-nick-cannon-be-cancelled/
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    [snip]

    People though will judge Boris and his government on how covid and the economic crisis works out, nothing more nothing less

    Absolutely 100% agreed.

    This is what I was saying - to much ridicule - when the Cummings story was dominating the news and while people here were claiming it was "the biggest story of the century so far". Bigger than Brexit, the Iraq War and 9/11.
    Can you point to where people were saying that on PB?
    Is there a way to search the PB archives? Tried Google but its not easy finding a result on that.

    It was 100% definitely and repeatedly said. I even made a list of big stories from this century, from Blair's petrol crisis through 9/11 through Iraq, through to Brexit and COVID19 itself and was told repeatedly by some here that Cummings story was bigger than them all.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    edited July 2020
    Looks like my 50-1 on Sheff Utd for Top 6 will be a good-ish value loser unfortunately.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    [snip]

    People though will judge Boris and his government on how covid and the economic crisis works out, nothing more nothing less

    Absolutely 100% agreed.

    This is what I was saying - to much ridicule - when the Cummings story was dominating the news and while people here were claiming it was "the biggest story of the century so far". Bigger than Brexit, the Iraq War and 9/11.
    Can you point to where people were saying that on PB?
    Is there a way to search the PB archives? Tried Google but its not easy finding a result on that.

    It was 100% definitely and repeatedly said. I even made a list of big stories from this century, from Blair's petrol crisis through 9/11 through Iraq, through to Brexit and COVID19 itself and was told repeatedly by some here that Cummings story was bigger than them all.
    Someone definitely made a claim that it was the biggest story since whenever because @Sean_F listed what he considers the biggest incidents of the last century.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370

    In other good news (I'm trying to have a glass half-full day and not dwell on the possibility that the Oxford project might still come to nothing,) a quick trawl of the latest available hospital stats indicates that the number of patients in UK hospitals with the virus is down 22% in a week and still shows no sign of levelling off. Those in ventilator beds are down 25%, with the total number now under 150. Hopefully the uptick in cases we've seen recently is down to intensive testing drives in the remaining hotspots driving up the percentage of total positive tests accounted for by asymptomatic infections, rather than an early indicator of these encouraging trends going into reverse.

    The cases number is almost certainly due to the carpet bombing of problem areas with Pillar 2 tests. Working on getting hold of the data separated from Pillar 1 for local areas.

    Yes - also another number to track, if you are interested is the NHS hotline number data.

    https://digital.nhs.uk/dashboards/nhs-pathways

    What this shows is the number of calls about COVID19

    It is my understanding that the monitoring teams have found this data extremely useful as an early warning signal of problems in an area.
  • jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 618
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:
    No it’s how someone who doesn’t care what he looks like dresses when he wants to go for a long walk in the sun

    Sun hat: check
    Comfortable shoes: check
    Walking stick: check
    Does anyone not look at that and think "what a twat"? Even his wife must think it.
    I am sure I have gone out wearing similar in the past (probably a panama abd definitely not in town)
    I am of an age where I do not care what I look like, I wear shorts in mid winter, have clothes 20 years old, and enough clothes to last my lifetime.
    I could of course afford the latest in fashion, but that is not me.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,413
    tlg86 said:

    Looks like my 50-1 on Sheff Utd for Top 6 will be a good-ish value loser unfortunately.

    Be a travesty if they miss Europa League cos of dodgy goal line technology.
    On the flip side, getting beaten by this dire Everton side...
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    jayfdee said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:
    No it’s how someone who doesn’t care what he looks like dresses when he wants to go for a long walk in the sun

    Sun hat: check
    Comfortable shoes: check
    Walking stick: check
    Does anyone not look at that and think "what a twat"? Even his wife must think it.
    I am sure I have gone out wearing similar in the past (probably a panama abd definitely not in town)
    I am of an age where I do not care what I look like, I wear shorts in mid winter, have clothes 20 years old, and enough clothes to last my lifetime.
    I could of course afford the latest in fashion, but that is not me.
    Same here. My panama usually has a hole in it
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    Looks like my 50-1 on Sheff Utd for Top 6 will be a good-ish value loser unfortunately.

    Be a travesty if they miss Europa League cos of dodgy goal line technology.
    On the flip side, getting beaten by this dire Everton side...
    Missing Europa League because of dodgy technology is not the worst thing in the world. Europa League is always a mixed bag of a cup to take part in.

    There was talk the other day that the failed technology of that game could result in a different club that wasn't even playing then being relegated from the Premier League. That would be a very bitter pill to swallow.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    HYUFD said:
    I don't understand why this wasn't started years ago.

    Doctor Fox really wasted years in his post pratting around talking about a US trade deal rather than getting on with rolling over pre-existing deals like this.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    Looks like my 50-1 on Sheff Utd for Top 6 will be a good-ish value loser unfortunately.

    Be a travesty if they miss Europa League cos of dodgy goal line technology.
    On the flip side, getting beaten by this dire Everton side...
    For a side that's massively exceeded expectations this season, their manager seems remarkably keen to fall out with his players. They were poor at Leicester, but it happens. The performance against Chelsea the game before was as good as anything I've seen outside of the Top 2 this season.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,149
    HYUFD said:
    Liechtenstein? Is he trolling people now?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381
    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:
    No it’s how someone who doesn’t care what he looks like dresses when he wants to go for a long walk in the sun

    Sun hat: check
    Comfortable shoes: check
    Walking stick: check
    No one over the age of 18 and who is not in receipt of substantial social security benefits should be allowed to wear bright blue Nike "trainers".
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,898
    Charles said:


    Same here. My panama usually has a hole in it

    My panama only comes out when I am attending the races at Newmarket (July Course) and Goodwood and obviously only if I am slumming it in the Members' Enclosure (known as the Richmond Enclosure on the South Downs).

    The original was a Goodwood panama. One Friday evening many moons ago I won four races consecutively and thought, in lieu of a bulging wad of cash, I'd invest in some suitable headgear. Not sure the Newmarket people took kindly to the Goodwood panama but that's another story.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited July 2020
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:
    Liechtenstein? Is he trolling people now?
    No. It is the EFTA group.

    Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway negotiate as one.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,149

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:
    Liechtenstein? Is he trolling people now?
    No. It is the EFTA group.

    Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway negotiate as one.
    Fascinating!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,707
    edited July 2020

    HYUFD said:
    I don't understand why this wasn't started years ago.

    Doctor Fox really wasted years in his post pratting around talking about a US trade deal rather than getting on with rolling over pre-existing deals like this.
    You can't roll over a single market deal without staying in the single market.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,149

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:
    No it’s how someone who doesn’t care what he looks like dresses when he wants to go for a long walk in the sun

    Sun hat: check
    Comfortable shoes: check
    Walking stick: check
    No one over the age of 18 and who is not in receipt of substantial social security benefits should be allowed to wear bright blue Nike "trainers".
    Thank goodness mine are Adidas
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370
    Charles said:

    jayfdee said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:
    No it’s how someone who doesn’t care what he looks like dresses when he wants to go for a long walk in the sun

    Sun hat: check
    Comfortable shoes: check
    Walking stick: check
    Does anyone not look at that and think "what a twat"? Even his wife must think it.
    I am sure I have gone out wearing similar in the past (probably a panama abd definitely not in town)
    I am of an age where I do not care what I look like, I wear shorts in mid winter, have clothes 20 years old, and enough clothes to last my lifetime.
    I could of course afford the latest in fashion, but that is not me.
    Same here. My panama usually has a hole in it
    My wife keeps asking if I will decorate my Tilley hat with some elephant gun rounds...
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    HYUFD said:
    I don't understand why this wasn't started years ago.

    Doctor Fox really wasted years in his post pratting around talking about a US trade deal rather than getting on with rolling over pre-existing deals like this.
    You can't roll over a single market deal without staying in the single market.
    We aren't staying in the single market. Get over it.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Charles said:

    jayfdee said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:
    No it’s how someone who doesn’t care what he looks like dresses when he wants to go for a long walk in the sun

    Sun hat: check
    Comfortable shoes: check
    Walking stick: check
    Does anyone not look at that and think "what a twat"? Even his wife must think it.
    I am sure I have gone out wearing similar in the past (probably a panama abd definitely not in town)
    I am of an age where I do not care what I look like, I wear shorts in mid winter, have clothes 20 years old, and enough clothes to last my lifetime.
    I could of course afford the latest in fashion, but that is not me.
    Same here. My panama usually has a hole in it
    Assassins’ aim isn’t what it used to be?
  • We could join EFTA and be less fucking hopeless than we are but blue passports
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:
    Liechtenstein? Is he trolling people now?
    Moving on up from our stunning success in securing a trade deal with the Faroe Islands in 2019.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,149
    IanB2 said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:
    Liechtenstein? Is he trolling people now?
    Moving on up from our stunning success in securing a trade deal with the Faroe Islands in 2019.
    Hwy, I'm looking forward to getting my premium Faroe whale meat.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,999
    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:
    No it’s how someone who doesn’t care what he looks like dresses when he wants to go for a long walk in the sun

    Sun hat: check
    Comfortable shoes: check
    Walking stick: check
    You show astounding amounts of naivete at times.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,898
    edited July 2020


    No. It is the EFTA group.

    Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway negotiate as one.

    I wanted us to rejoin EFTA and re-shape it as a free trade counterweight to the EU but they didn't want us. The various members of EFTA all have different relationships with the EU but most are in the Single Market and the EEA.

    We've decided to opt out completely from the EEA so the nearest analogy would be Switzerland.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,405
    That was a question aimed at you by the looks of it. Did you answer it?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381
    kle4 said:

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:
    No it’s how someone who doesn’t care what he looks like dresses when he wants to go for a long walk in the sun

    Sun hat: check
    Comfortable shoes: check
    Walking stick: check
    No one over the age of 18 and who is not in receipt of substantial social security benefits should be allowed to wear bright blue Nike "trainers".
    Thank goodness mine are Adidas
    Brightly coloured running shoes with a flash, three stripes or any other design are unacceptable footwear for the older man, and Cummings is no spring chicken.

    A stout pair of Barker or John White brogues are perfect leisure footwear as opposed to the formality of a black oxford. Cummings knows this.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,707

    HYUFD said:
    I don't understand why this wasn't started years ago.

    Doctor Fox really wasted years in his post pratting around talking about a US trade deal rather than getting on with rolling over pre-existing deals like this.
    You can't roll over a single market deal without staying in the single market.
    We aren't staying in the single market. Get over it.
    You're the one saying we should roll it over. Get with it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,149

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:
    No it’s how someone who doesn’t care what he looks like dresses when he wants to go for a long walk in the sun

    Sun hat: check
    Comfortable shoes: check
    Walking stick: check
    You show astounding amounts of naivete at times.
    Selectively credulous perhaps.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868

    Charles said:

    jayfdee said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:
    No it’s how someone who doesn’t care what he looks like dresses when he wants to go for a long walk in the sun

    Sun hat: check
    Comfortable shoes: check
    Walking stick: check
    Does anyone not look at that and think "what a twat"? Even his wife must think it.
    I am sure I have gone out wearing similar in the past (probably a panama abd definitely not in town)
    I am of an age where I do not care what I look like, I wear shorts in mid winter, have clothes 20 years old, and enough clothes to last my lifetime.
    I could of course afford the latest in fashion, but that is not me.
    Same here. My panama usually has a hole in it
    My wife keeps asking if I will decorate my Tilley hat with some elephant gun rounds...
    It would muddy the water a little, I guess, when they come to compare both sets of holes with her bullet collection?
  • houndtanghoundtang Posts: 450
    Starmer should be asking questions about the thousands of people who have died or are projected to die due to delayed/cancelled NHS treatment because of the lockdown and the political decision to 'protect the NHS'. That is the true scandal, not some muppet swanning off to Durham.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    houndtang said:

    Starmer should be asking questions about the thousands of people who have died or are projected to die due to delayed/cancelled NHS treatment because of the lockdown and the political decision to 'protect the NHS'. That is the true scandal, not some muppet swanning off to Durham.

    Don't hold your breath.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139

    We could join EFTA and be less fucking hopeless than we are but blue passports

    We were of course in EFTA from 1960 until we left to join the EEC in 1973
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    In other good news (I'm trying to have a glass half-full day and not dwell on the possibility that the Oxford project might still come to nothing,) a quick trawl of the latest available hospital stats indicates that the number of patients in UK hospitals with the virus is down 22% in a week and still shows no sign of levelling off. Those in ventilator beds are down 25%, with the total number now under 150. Hopefully the uptick in cases we've seen recently is down to intensive testing drives in the remaining hotspots driving up the percentage of total positive tests accounted for by asymptomatic infections, rather than an early indicator of these encouraging trends going into reverse.

    The cases number is almost certainly due to the carpet bombing of problem areas with Pillar 2 tests. Working on getting hold of the data separated from Pillar 1 for local areas.

    Yes - also another number to track, if you are interested is the NHS hotline number data.

    https://digital.nhs.uk/dashboards/nhs-pathways

    What this shows is the number of calls about COVID19

    It is my understanding that the monitoring teams have found this data extremely useful as an early warning signal of problems in an area.
    Yes, I'm also given to understand (purely from what I've read) that the 111 stats have come in useful: first indicator of illness spreading, before patients start calling for ambulances and the hospitals begin to fill.
  • houndtanghoundtang Posts: 450
    tlg86 said:

    houndtang said:

    Starmer should be asking questions about the thousands of people who have died or are projected to die due to delayed/cancelled NHS treatment because of the lockdown and the political decision to 'protect the NHS'. That is the true scandal, not some muppet swanning off to Durham.

    Don't hold your breath.
    Oh I'm not - given that we passed through the looking glass some time ago.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 694
    edited July 2020
    kle4 said:

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:
    No it’s how someone who doesn’t care what he looks like dresses when he wants to go for a long walk in the sun

    Sun hat: check
    Comfortable shoes: check
    Walking stick: check
    Yeah right. The slovenly dress, the reported frequent cursing and 'shocking' statements, the obvious leaks to ensure stories stay on him and his words, it all fits the image of a childish rebel, someone who so doesn't care what others think that they feel the need to demonstrate how they don't care what others think all the time, which is to say they clearly do care what others think.

    It's a fine line, to be sure, and opinions will vary, but like art and pornography I think most can tell the difference even when hard to quantify it sometimes.
    I have been trying to think what is the inspiration for Cummings' strange garb and I have decided that it is Donatello's David. Perhaps he sees himself as a modern day David slaying the Giant of the liberal elite?

    Or perhaps his eyesight is still wonky and he doesn't realise what a plonker he looks.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370
    IanB2 said:

    Charles said:

    jayfdee said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:
    No it’s how someone who doesn’t care what he looks like dresses when he wants to go for a long walk in the sun

    Sun hat: check
    Comfortable shoes: check
    Walking stick: check
    Does anyone not look at that and think "what a twat"? Even his wife must think it.
    I am sure I have gone out wearing similar in the past (probably a panama abd definitely not in town)
    I am of an age where I do not care what I look like, I wear shorts in mid winter, have clothes 20 years old, and enough clothes to last my lifetime.
    I could of course afford the latest in fashion, but that is not me.
    Same here. My panama usually has a hole in it
    My wife keeps asking if I will decorate my Tilley hat with some elephant gun rounds...
    It would muddy the water a little, I guess, when they come to compare both sets of holes with her bullet collection?
    I've tried explaining multiple times that the bearer for each gun carries the spare ammo....
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,413
    LadyG said:

    Central London Economic Catastrophe Update


    So, today, I went for a ten mile walk all the way around the West End then up to King's X. Just to see how bad things are.

    Conclusion? Very bad in places, but there are grounds for optimism.

    First: Marylebone (mainly the High Street). This luxe area was never gonna look too run down and it doesn't. But at least one in ten restaurants/shops look like they've gone for good, and at least 30% are still closed so who knows. But it wasn't deserted, on this lovely sunny day, there were quite a few drinkers, shoppers, it was like a nice Sunday

    Down to Oxford Street, via St Christopher's Place: about the same. A quiet Sunday. Nearly all shops and cafes open. A general sense of relief and anticipation.

    Mayfair was dead quiet. Bond Street was desolate. Not enough foreign tourists? No Arabs, no Chinese.

    By contrast Soho, from Carnaby to Old Compton Street, was positively hopping. A carnival vibe. All the streets laid with tables, lots of drinkers, most pubs open, some doing a roaring trade. Real buzz.

    Covent Garden was less good. Around the Market there were some nice vibes - impromptu beer gardens - in the streets beyond, much is closed. They really need the Opera House, the museums and the theatres to reopen soon.

    Holborn and Bloomsbury were quiet, but not eerily so. Not like lockdown.

    Finally, and this was my biggest test: the new King's Cross development. I was expecting the worst here, as it relies entirely on students, tourists, people on the eurostar, and yet it was modestly rocking. The bars were full, you couuldn't get a table, at least half the restaurants have reopened, some are doing a bustling takeaway trade.

    Nearly all the customers seemed to be foreign. Where did they come from?

    I dunno.

    In conclusion, west central London and mid London have suffered, and are still struggling but it could be a lot worse. It is not dystopia.

    Next time I will have to go look at east Central London, the City, Shoreditch, Borough, etc.

    I am slightly cheered.

    Sounds mixed. The students are a little underconsidered as part of the C London economy. Probably because there is no defined "campus."
    Am headed to Newcastle quayside tomorrow for the first time in 5 months in the Toon.
    Will report back if sober enough.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,240
    SandraMc said:

    kle4 said:

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:
    No it’s how someone who doesn’t care what he looks like dresses when he wants to go for a long walk in the sun

    Sun hat: check
    Comfortable shoes: check
    Walking stick: check
    Yeah right. The slovenly dress, the reported frequent cursing and 'shocking' statements, the obvious leaks to ensure stories stay on him and his words, it all fits the image of a childish rebel, someone who so doesn't care what others think that they feel the need to demonstrate how they don't care what others think all the time, which is to say they clearly do care what others think.

    It's a fine line, to be sure, and opinions will vary, but like art and pornography I think most can tell the difference even when hard to quantify it sometimes.
    I have been trying to think what is the inspiration for Cummings' strange garb and I have decided that it is Donatello's David. Perhaps he sees himself as a modern day David slaying the Giant of the liberal elite?

    Or perhaps his eyesight is still wonky and he doesn't realise what a plonker he looks.
    Probably works quite well as a loyalty test.

    If you say to him "Dom, you look and sound like an utter plonker", or even "Dom, go and put a shirt and tie on", you are obviously fit only to be cast into the outer darkness.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:
    No it’s how someone who doesn’t care what he looks like dresses when he wants to go for a long walk in the sun

    Sun hat: check
    Comfortable shoes: check
    Walking stick: check
    You show astounding amounts of naivete at times.
    I assume he’s an attention seeking little wanker but that’s not connected to his clothes
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,775
    HYUFD said:

    We could join EFTA and be less fucking hopeless than we are but blue passports

    We were of course in EFTA from 1960 until we left to join the EEC in 1973
    (Didn't know this - thanks HYUFD)
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,599
    "Lockdown may cost 200,000 lives, government report shows

    Research shines a light on the reasons why the Government has been keen to lift lockdown, in spite of experts claiming it happened too soon"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/19/lockdown-may-cost-200k-lives-government-report-shows/
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,149
    edited July 2020
    SandraMc said:

    kle4 said:

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:
    No it’s how someone who doesn’t care what he looks like dresses when he wants to go for a long walk in the sun

    Sun hat: check
    Comfortable shoes: check
    Walking stick: check
    Yeah right. The slovenly dress, the reported frequent cursing and 'shocking' statements, the obvious leaks to ensure stories stay on him and his words, it all fits the image of a childish rebel, someone who so doesn't care what others think that they feel the need to demonstrate how they don't care what others think all the time, which is to say they clearly do care what others think.

    It's a fine line, to be sure, and opinions will vary, but like art and pornography I think most can tell the difference even when hard to quantify it sometimes.
    I have been trying to think what is the inspiration for Cummings' strange garb and I have decided that it is Donatello's David. Perhaps he sees himself as a modern day David slaying the Giant of the liberal elite?

    Or perhaps his eyesight is still wonky and he doesn't realise what a plonker he looks.
    Were he merely often sloppily dressed I'd think nothing of it, many are including me, but combine it with his needy, attention seeking language and provocative approach to things and it says to me the dress is a part of it.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,999
    kle4 said:

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:
    No it’s how someone who doesn’t care what he looks like dresses when he wants to go for a long walk in the sun

    Sun hat: check
    Comfortable shoes: check
    Walking stick: check
    You show astounding amounts of naivete at times.
    Selectively credulous perhaps.
    Yes, that's more accurate.
    A positively Nelsonian approach to seeing (& not seeing) what you want to.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,599

    [snip]

    People though will judge Boris and his government on how covid and the economic crisis works out, nothing more nothing less

    Absolutely 100% agreed.

    This is what I was saying - to much ridicule - when the Cummings story was dominating the news and while people here were claiming it was "the biggest story of the century so far". Bigger than Brexit, the Iraq War and 9/11.
    Can you point to where people were saying that on PB?
    Is there a way to search the PB archives? Tried Google but its not easy finding a result on that.

    It was 100% definitely and repeatedly said. I even made a list of big stories from this century, from Blair's petrol crisis through 9/11 through Iraq, through to Brexit and COVID19 itself and was told repeatedly by some here that Cummings story was bigger than them all.
    You can sometimes use a simple Google search to find things on PB.
  • I don't recall anyone saying Cummings was bigger than Brexit, Iraq or 9/11. I remember people saying it was this Government's Black Wednesday - and that is still to be seen
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    kle4 said:

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:
    No it’s how someone who doesn’t care what he looks like dresses when he wants to go for a long walk in the sun

    Sun hat: check
    Comfortable shoes: check
    Walking stick: check
    You show astounding amounts of naivete at times.
    Selectively credulous perhaps.
    Yes, that's more accurate.
    A positively Nelsonian approach to seeing (& not seeing) what you want to.
    I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. I judge by their actions not their assumed motives
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,885

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    I am not sure in what context it would have been appropriate for this nurse to offer commentary on Dominic Cummings.

    She would have been asked by the journos. And nurses know about, and are very keen on, infection control. There will be specialist public health nurses. Quite legitimate for the head nurse to comment on such issues.
    It would have been legitimate for her to speak about infection control, but also fairly basic media training to bat away a question about the personal behaviour of a Government advisor. Speaking on the former does not necessitate failure to do the latter. By the way, if she'd offered full-hearted support to Cummings in response to that question, that would also be innaproproate.

    And if she were asked whether doing what Mr C did - but anonymised - was good infection control?

    It wouldn't have worked, because they would have been looking for her to judge the essentialness or otherwise of Cummings' travel, which she wasn't in a position to do. Essential travel was allowed. All she would do in that instance would be blandly repeat the official advice.
    Essential travel was strictly forbidden for those who were down with the bug, and their family/household. Which we are told was what Mr Cummings believed right from the start.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Andy_JS said:

    "Lockdown may cost 200,000 lives, government report shows

    Research shines a light on the reasons why the Government has been keen to lift lockdown, in spite of experts claiming it happened too soon"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/19/lockdown-may-cost-200k-lives-government-report-shows/

    One would imagine that the Government's imperatives relate more to the economy than health.

    I've thought from early on that the consequences of lockdown would kill more people than the virus; however, that argument will almost certainly never be resolved, despite keeping various academics employed in analysis of said consequences for a very long time.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    I don't recall anyone saying Cummings was bigger than Brexit, Iraq or 9/11. I remember people saying it was this Government's Black Wednesday - and that is still to be seen

    @Stark_Dawning and @rpjs were saying it in the thread I linked to before.

    Apparently not to many people were affected directly by 9/11, Brexit or Iraq which is why Cummings was the bigger story. I kid you not.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,929
    kle4 said:

    SandraMc said:

    kle4 said:

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:
    No it’s how someone who doesn’t care what he looks like dresses when he wants to go for a long walk in the sun

    Sun hat: check
    Comfortable shoes: check
    Walking stick: check
    Yeah right. The slovenly dress, the reported frequent cursing and 'shocking' statements, the obvious leaks to ensure stories stay on him and his words, it all fits the image of a childish rebel, someone who so doesn't care what others think that they feel the need to demonstrate how they don't care what others think all the time, which is to say they clearly do care what others think.

    It's a fine line, to be sure, and opinions will vary, but like art and pornography I think most can tell the difference even when hard to quantify it sometimes.
    I have been trying to think what is the inspiration for Cummings' strange garb and I have decided that it is Donatello's David. Perhaps he sees himself as a modern day David slaying the Giant of the liberal elite?

    Or perhaps his eyesight is still wonky and he doesn't realise what a plonker he looks.
    Were he merely often sloppily dressed I'd think nothing of it, many are including me, but combine it with his needy, attention seeking language and provocative approach to things and it says to me the dress is a part of it.
    Cummings always dresses like that and today he has added a hat, probably because he is bald and it is sunny. The stick is to round up dead cats for tomorrow's release of the Russia report.
  • Starmer going hard against China is a good contrast to Corbyn
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,885

    kle4 said:

    SandraMc said:

    kle4 said:

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:
    No it’s how someone who doesn’t care what he looks like dresses when he wants to go for a long walk in the sun

    Sun hat: check
    Comfortable shoes: check
    Walking stick: check
    Yeah right. The slovenly dress, the reported frequent cursing and 'shocking' statements, the obvious leaks to ensure stories stay on him and his words, it all fits the image of a childish rebel, someone who so doesn't care what others think that they feel the need to demonstrate how they don't care what others think all the time, which is to say they clearly do care what others think.

    It's a fine line, to be sure, and opinions will vary, but like art and pornography I think most can tell the difference even when hard to quantify it sometimes.
    I have been trying to think what is the inspiration for Cummings' strange garb and I have decided that it is Donatello's David. Perhaps he sees himself as a modern day David slaying the Giant of the liberal elite?

    Or perhaps his eyesight is still wonky and he doesn't realise what a plonker he looks.
    Were he merely often sloppily dressed I'd think nothing of it, many are including me, but combine it with his needy, attention seeking language and provocative approach to things and it says to me the dress is a part of it.
    Cummings always dresses like that and today he has added a hat, probably because he is bald and it is sunny. The stick is to round up dead cats for tomorrow's release of the Russia report.
    'round up' - a new euphemism?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,775
    LadyG said:

    Central London Economic Catastrophe Update


    So, today, I went for a ten mile walk all the way around the West End then up to King's X. Just to see how bad things are.

    Conclusion? Very bad in places, but there are grounds for optimism.

    First: Marylebone (mainly the High Street). This luxe area was never gonna look too run down and it doesn't. But at least one in ten restaurants/shops look like they've gone for good, and at least 30% are still closed so who knows. But it wasn't deserted, on this lovely sunny day, there were quite a few drinkers, shoppers, it was like a nice Sunday

    Down to Oxford Street, via St Christopher's Place: about the same. A quiet Sunday. Nearly all shops and cafes open. A general sense of relief and anticipation.

    Mayfair was dead quiet. Bond Street was desolate. Not enough foreign tourists? No Arabs, no Chinese.

    By contrast Soho, from Carnaby to Old Compton Street, was positively hopping. A carnival vibe. All the streets laid with tables, lots of drinkers, most pubs open, some doing a roaring trade. Real buzz.

    Covent Garden was less good. Around the Market there were some nice vibes - impromptu beer gardens - in the streets beyond, much is closed. They really need the Opera House, the museums and the theatres to reopen soon.

    Holborn and Bloomsbury were quiet, but not eerily so. Not like lockdown.

    Finally, and this was my biggest test: the new King's Cross development. I was expecting the worst here, as it relies entirely on students, tourists, people on the eurostar, and yet it was modestly rocking. The bars were full, you couuldn't get a table, at least half the restaurants have reopened, some are doing a bustling takeaway trade.

    Nearly all the customers seemed to be foreign. Where did they come from?

    I dunno.

    In conclusion, west central London and mid London have suffered, and are still struggling but it could be a lot worse. It is not dystopia.

    Next time I will have to go look at east Central London, the City, Shoreditch, Borough, etc.

    I am slightly cheered.

    Mayfair's an odd district. Offices and very rich. Strong middle eastern contingent, but mainly just the rich element.

    I can tell you that Edgeware Road which is perhaps more representative of the middle eastern Londoners generally (albeit still the rich end) seems in a healthy state. I can also report an aura of astonishing good-will in the area that pervades all of this. Everyone in the shops as customers or staff are pretty damned happy about the newfound respect that everyone is showing for everyone else. People are saying 'thank you' and meaning it for all the little services that were previously ignored.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313
    Andy_JS said:

    [snip]

    People though will judge Boris and his government on how covid and the economic crisis works out, nothing more nothing less

    Absolutely 100% agreed.

    This is what I was saying - to much ridicule - when the Cummings story was dominating the news and while people here were claiming it was "the biggest story of the century so far". Bigger than Brexit, the Iraq War and 9/11.
    Can you point to where people were saying that on PB?
    Is there a way to search the PB archives? Tried Google but its not easy finding a result on that.

    It was 100% definitely and repeatedly said. I even made a list of big stories from this century, from Blair's petrol crisis through 9/11 through Iraq, through to Brexit and COVID19 itself and was told repeatedly by some here that Cummings story was bigger than them all.
    You can sometimes use a simple Google search to find things on PB.
    On the occasions that I was on here I didn't notice anyone making such assertions. Of course it is not as big as any of those (with the exception of the petrol crisis). It was, however, and remains, a very big story. The bigger story is that Johnson is so inept that he could let a person of such terrible character and poor judgement so close to power. It will eventually backfire on them both.

    I guess the reason why it is not a big story for you Philip is that perhaps you are OK with people being thoroughly dishonest and ignoring the rules that everyone abides by, as long as such people are aligned with your very right wing view of the world. If it had been Kier Starmer doing such a thing you would no doubt say it was a bigger story than any the afore mentioned.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,149
    Charles said:

    kle4 said:

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:
    No it’s how someone who doesn’t care what he looks like dresses when he wants to go for a long walk in the sun

    Sun hat: check
    Comfortable shoes: check
    Walking stick: check
    You show astounding amounts of naivete at times.
    Selectively credulous perhaps.
    Yes, that's more accurate.
    A positively Nelsonian approach to seeing (& not seeing) what you want to.
    I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. I judge by their actions not their assumed motives
    His flamboyance and attention seeking is an action you have decided to ignore in taking your view on this however.

    You may well be right on this occasion, but it's not ignoring assumed motive to ignore that he leaks, he speaks and acts provocatively, and he seeks feeds media attention, and therefore there may be a connection here.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,149

    kle4 said:

    SandraMc said:

    kle4 said:

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:
    No it’s how someone who doesn’t care what he looks like dresses when he wants to go for a long walk in the sun

    Sun hat: check
    Comfortable shoes: check
    Walking stick: check
    Yeah right. The slovenly dress, the reported frequent cursing and 'shocking' statements, the obvious leaks to ensure stories stay on him and his words, it all fits the image of a childish rebel, someone who so doesn't care what others think that they feel the need to demonstrate how they don't care what others think all the time, which is to say they clearly do care what others think.

    It's a fine line, to be sure, and opinions will vary, but like art and pornography I think most can tell the difference even when hard to quantify it sometimes.
    I have been trying to think what is the inspiration for Cummings' strange garb and I have decided that it is Donatello's David. Perhaps he sees himself as a modern day David slaying the Giant of the liberal elite?

    Or perhaps his eyesight is still wonky and he doesn't realise what a plonker he looks.
    Were he merely often sloppily dressed I'd think nothing of it, many are including me, but combine it with his needy, attention seeking language and provocative approach to things and it says to me the dress is a part of it.
    Cummings always dresses like that and today he has added a hat, probably because he is bald and it is sunny. The stick is to round up dead cats for tomorrow's release of the Russia report.
    Oh I didn't think there was anything particularly unique about his get up today. I just think the motive for his general approach is tied in with his faux-rebellious take on things.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    SandraMc said:

    kle4 said:

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:
    No it’s how someone who doesn’t care what he looks like dresses when he wants to go for a long walk in the sun

    Sun hat: check
    Comfortable shoes: check
    Walking stick: check
    Yeah right. The slovenly dress, the reported frequent cursing and 'shocking' statements, the obvious leaks to ensure stories stay on him and his words, it all fits the image of a childish rebel, someone who so doesn't care what others think that they feel the need to demonstrate how they don't care what others think all the time, which is to say they clearly do care what others think.

    It's a fine line, to be sure, and opinions will vary, but like art and pornography I think most can tell the difference even when hard to quantify it sometimes.
    I have been trying to think what is the inspiration for Cummings' strange garb and I have decided that it is Donatello's David. Perhaps he sees himself as a modern day David slaying the Giant of the liberal elite?

    Or perhaps his eyesight is still wonky and he doesn't realise what a plonker he looks.
    Were he merely often sloppily dressed I'd think nothing of it, many are including me, but combine it with his needy, attention seeking language and provocative approach to things and it says to me the dress is a part of it.
    Cummings always dresses like that and today he has added a hat, probably because he is bald and it is sunny. The stick is to round up dead cats for tomorrow's release of the Russia report.
    Oh I didn't think there was anything particularly unique about his get up today. I just think the motive for his general approach is tied in with his faux-rebellious take on things.
    Spot on. He is just the right wing version of Jeremy Corbyn. The sort of person who bores everyone in Sixth Form to try and sound clever and has never grown out of the habit.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,599
    Omnium said:

    LadyG said:

    Central London Economic Catastrophe Update


    So, today, I went for a ten mile walk all the way around the West End then up to King's X. Just to see how bad things are.

    Conclusion? Very bad in places, but there are grounds for optimism.

    First: Marylebone (mainly the High Street). This luxe area was never gonna look too run down and it doesn't. But at least one in ten restaurants/shops look like they've gone for good, and at least 30% are still closed so who knows. But it wasn't deserted, on this lovely sunny day, there were quite a few drinkers, shoppers, it was like a nice Sunday

    Down to Oxford Street, via St Christopher's Place: about the same. A quiet Sunday. Nearly all shops and cafes open. A general sense of relief and anticipation.

    Mayfair was dead quiet. Bond Street was desolate. Not enough foreign tourists? No Arabs, no Chinese.

    By contrast Soho, from Carnaby to Old Compton Street, was positively hopping. A carnival vibe. All the streets laid with tables, lots of drinkers, most pubs open, some doing a roaring trade. Real buzz.

    Covent Garden was less good. Around the Market there were some nice vibes - impromptu beer gardens - in the streets beyond, much is closed. They really need the Opera House, the museums and the theatres to reopen soon.

    Holborn and Bloomsbury were quiet, but not eerily so. Not like lockdown.

    Finally, and this was my biggest test: the new King's Cross development. I was expecting the worst here, as it relies entirely on students, tourists, people on the eurostar, and yet it was modestly rocking. The bars were full, you couuldn't get a table, at least half the restaurants have reopened, some are doing a bustling takeaway trade.

    Nearly all the customers seemed to be foreign. Where did they come from?

    I dunno.

    In conclusion, west central London and mid London have suffered, and are still struggling but it could be a lot worse. It is not dystopia.

    Next time I will have to go look at east Central London, the City, Shoreditch, Borough, etc.

    I am slightly cheered.

    Mayfair's an odd district. Offices and very rich. Strong middle eastern contingent, but mainly just the rich element.

    I can tell you that Edgeware Road which is perhaps more representative of the middle eastern Londoners generally (albeit still the rich end) seems in a healthy state. I can also report an aura of astonishing good-will in the area that pervades all of this. Everyone in the shops as customers or staff are pretty damned happy about the newfound respect that everyone is showing for everyone else. People are saying 'thank you' and meaning it for all the little services that were previously ignored.
    The City and Canary Wharf are particularly empty according to various reports.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,002
    kle4 said:

    I maintain that there should be an award for the best trailer, with a special category for where the film turns out to be really bad.

    Rogue One

    Almost none of the trailer made it into the film
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,317
    In light of the release tomorrow by the Intelligence and Security Committee of the delayed report on Russian interference in British politics, it might be worth remembering that much hyped reports tend not to be as exciting as some hope or fear - as here: http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/03/26/what-can-we-expect-from-the-planned-brexit-inquiry/.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Cyclefree said:

    In light of the release tomorrow by the Intelligence and Security Committee of the delayed report on Russian interference in British politics, it might be worth remembering that much hyped reports tend not to be as exciting as some hope or fear - as here: http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/03/26/what-can-we-expect-from-the-planned-brexit-inquiry/.

    Rifkind probably had it right at the weekend - it was withheld not because of its contents, but because most of the work on it had been done by Grieve and Boris was being petty and spiteful.
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375

    I don't recall anyone saying Cummings was bigger than Brexit, Iraq or 9/11. I remember people saying it was this Government's Black Wednesday - and that is still to be seen

    People on here said it was the biggest story of the 21st century
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    kle4 said:

    SandraMc said:

    kle4 said:

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:
    No it’s how someone who doesn’t care what he looks like dresses when he wants to go for a long walk in the sun

    Sun hat: check
    Comfortable shoes: check
    Walking stick: check
    Yeah right. The slovenly dress, the reported frequent cursing and 'shocking' statements, the obvious leaks to ensure stories stay on him and his words, it all fits the image of a childish rebel, someone who so doesn't care what others think that they feel the need to demonstrate how they don't care what others think all the time, which is to say they clearly do care what others think.

    It's a fine line, to be sure, and opinions will vary, but like art and pornography I think most can tell the difference even when hard to quantify it sometimes.
    I have been trying to think what is the inspiration for Cummings' strange garb and I have decided that it is Donatello's David. Perhaps he sees himself as a modern day David slaying the Giant of the liberal elite?

    Or perhaps his eyesight is still wonky and he doesn't realise what a plonker he looks.
    Were he merely often sloppily dressed I'd think nothing of it, many are including me, but combine it with his needy, attention seeking language and provocative approach to things and it says to me the dress is a part of it.
    It is. He went to public school, has wealthy parents, went to Oxford, married a rich journalist whose father lives in a castle. He knows how posh people dress and behave. He deliberately dresses as a slob, or in clothes like the picture, not to dress down, but rather because he can. It is a deliberate statement of his contrived, contrarian persona. He dresses in a way that no working class, or middle class person could. He thereby establishes his superiority, like a lion pissing on a tree.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Andy_JS said:

    Omnium said:

    LadyG said:

    Central London Economic Catastrophe Update


    So, today, I went for a ten mile walk all the way around the West End then up to King's X. Just to see how bad things are.

    Conclusion? Very bad in places, but there are grounds for optimism.

    First: Marylebone (mainly the High Street). This luxe area was never gonna look too run down and it doesn't. But at least one in ten restaurants/shops look like they've gone for good, and at least 30% are still closed so who knows. But it wasn't deserted, on this lovely sunny day, there were quite a few drinkers, shoppers, it was like a nice Sunday

    Down to Oxford Street, via St Christopher's Place: about the same. A quiet Sunday. Nearly all shops and cafes open. A general sense of relief and anticipation.

    Mayfair was dead quiet. Bond Street was desolate. Not enough foreign tourists? No Arabs, no Chinese.

    By contrast Soho, from Carnaby to Old Compton Street, was positively hopping. A carnival vibe. All the streets laid with tables, lots of drinkers, most pubs open, some doing a roaring trade. Real buzz.

    Covent Garden was less good. Around the Market there were some nice vibes - impromptu beer gardens - in the streets beyond, much is closed. They really need the Opera House, the museums and the theatres to reopen soon.

    Holborn and Bloomsbury were quiet, but not eerily so. Not like lockdown.

    Finally, and this was my biggest test: the new King's Cross development. I was expecting the worst here, as it relies entirely on students, tourists, people on the eurostar, and yet it was modestly rocking. The bars were full, you couuldn't get a table, at least half the restaurants have reopened, some are doing a bustling takeaway trade.

    Nearly all the customers seemed to be foreign. Where did they come from?

    I dunno.

    In conclusion, west central London and mid London have suffered, and are still struggling but it could be a lot worse. It is not dystopia.

    Next time I will have to go look at east Central London, the City, Shoreditch, Borough, etc.

    I am slightly cheered.

    Mayfair's an odd district. Offices and very rich. Strong middle eastern contingent, but mainly just the rich element.

    I can tell you that Edgeware Road which is perhaps more representative of the middle eastern Londoners generally (albeit still the rich end) seems in a healthy state. I can also report an aura of astonishing good-will in the area that pervades all of this. Everyone in the shops as customers or staff are pretty damned happy about the newfound respect that everyone is showing for everyone else. People are saying 'thank you' and meaning it for all the little services that were previously ignored.
    The City and Canary Wharf are particularly empty according to various reports.
    Makes sense. Very heavily reliant on commuters. Not particularly attractive, for the most part, to whatever is left of the out-of-town tourist and shopping traffic. Small resident population.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited July 2020
    Parody account of Sir Keir, looks like it's attacking him from the left.

    The problem with attacking this impression of Diane Abbott for being racist is that the voice being impersonated could be of any race, it just sounds like an southern English accent;I wouldn't you could tell the colour of Abbott's skin from her voice. If Jan Ravens had done a Jim Davidson-esque "Chalky", which sounded nothing like DA, getting sums wrong, that would have been a racist impression in my opinion. What the extreme left are doing is making absolutely everyone a racist except themselves

    https://twitter.com/TheBeigeSirKeir/status/1285164805905620995?s=20
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    I don't recall anyone saying Cummings was bigger than Brexit, Iraq or 9/11. I remember people saying it was this Government's Black Wednesday - and that is still to be seen

    @Stark_Dawning and @rpjs were saying it in the thread I linked to before.

    Apparently not to many people were affected directly by 9/11, Brexit or Iraq which is why Cummings was the bigger story. I kid you not.
    I said that not so many people in the UK were affected by 9/11 or the Iraq war, and that not so many people yet have been affected by Brexit, but everyone in the UK has been affected by the lockdown that Dom decided didn't apply to him. That is why Dom-gate will have a bigger impact on the Tories' re-election chances.

    At least until the post-Brexit economic meltdown that's about to destroy the UK takes hold from 1/1/2021 that is.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    SandraMc said:

    kle4 said:

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:
    No it’s how someone who doesn’t care what he looks like dresses when he wants to go for a long walk in the sun

    Sun hat: check
    Comfortable shoes: check
    Walking stick: check
    Yeah right. The slovenly dress, the reported frequent cursing and 'shocking' statements, the obvious leaks to ensure stories stay on him and his words, it all fits the image of a childish rebel, someone who so doesn't care what others think that they feel the need to demonstrate how they don't care what others think all the time, which is to say they clearly do care what others think.

    It's a fine line, to be sure, and opinions will vary, but like art and pornography I think most can tell the difference even when hard to quantify it sometimes.
    I have been trying to think what is the inspiration for Cummings' strange garb and I have decided that it is Donatello's David. Perhaps he sees himself as a modern day David slaying the Giant of the liberal elite?

    Or perhaps his eyesight is still wonky and he doesn't realise what a plonker he looks.
    Were he merely often sloppily dressed I'd think nothing of it, many are including me, but combine it with his needy, attention seeking language and provocative approach to things and it says to me the dress is a part of it.
    It is. He went to public school, has wealthy parents, went to Oxford, married a rich journalist whose father lives in a castle. He knows how posh people dress and behave. He deliberately dresses as a slob, or in clothes like the picture, not to dress down, but rather because he can. It is a deliberate statement of his contrived, contrarian persona. He dresses in a way that no working class, or middle class person could. He thereby establishes his superiority, like a lion pissing on a tree.
    Triggered by someone's outfit, really?
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    Scott_xP said:

    kle4 said:

    I maintain that there should be an award for the best trailer, with a special category for where the film turns out to be really bad.

    Rogue One

    Almost none of the trailer made it into the film
    Just watched Rogue One again. I maintain that it's a great film, better than any of the main sequence sequel trilogy. I'd even go so far as to say it is perhaps the best Star Wars film other than the original.
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