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President Trump likes to congratulate himself on having closed the border to China in early February as an effective preventative measure against Covid-19. That he should do so isn’t too surprising: congratulating himself is his default setting and his administration has routinely adopted an anti-China stance, as part of Trump’s efforts to rebalance the trade deficit between the two countries.
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I am a leftie, I am not interested in their boring, petty arguments. Let's solve the big problems that actually matter, can't do that if we keep losing.
Sadly, I think this is a QTWTAIN.
Nevertheless, great thread header.
And goodness only knows the damage it is doing to the pensions industry and the devastating effect for future pension payments
And I have no idea how anyone or any political party resolves this
And I agree with David's piece
It is like a bad dream but it is actually happening
Of course, the other difficulty is reliability of stats. For example, how much do we trust the stats of India (25 per million per day) and Pakistan (9 per million per day)?
For me it is just about respect. If you copy something to belittle and demean it, blackface in 20th century being an obvious example, you should be criticised for it. Otherwise enjoy the wide variety there is in the world and find what suits you.
But I think David is talking sense on the general principle.
South Africa is interesting having gone from really good control to a basket case. C4 news (I think) the other night did a programme on their hospitals. It was horrifying and far too graphic (Rats drinking from pools of blood, etc)
Indeed, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the failure to shut down air traffic early on in this pandemic is eventually identified as one of the most important failings in the UK response: the tourist trade may have imploded very rapidly but family visit traffic back and forth between Britain and the Indian sub-continent continued unimpeded for months. This might even help to provide part of the explanation for why most of the local authority areas in which the virus remains stubbornly sticky are those with substantial populations of South Asian descent. Within this country, one would expect that all the big urban cores would suffer just like London, and indeed the Guardian contains a report this morning of similar ghost town scenes in the city centres of Leeds, Newcastle and Bristol. Meanwhile, I'm feeling cautiously optimistic that (barring a really serious second flare-up of Covid) most or all of the local businesses in the centre of our little market town are going to pull through this episode.
You'd expect the locations where hospitality businesses are most likely to pull through are going to be those reliant on local people, many of whom will be regulars and most of whom will get to them on foot or via short private car journeys. Big cities that are very reliant on commuters, tourists and people travelling into them on "dirty" public transport are in awful trouble.
At some stage it must take off here again if we do nothing and aĺlow anyone and everyone in.
But what?
Every option is unpalatable.
EDIT: Just to add, Farnborough airport is as busy as ever.
£500k for a 1 bed in Elephant & Castle with high service charges? Those are the properties that are really in trouble.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8525647/Priti-Patel-says-50-000-people-day-coming-UK-abroad.html
That trend will reverse (and has, indeed, already begun to do so,) but the process is bound to be slow and we'll never go back to where we were before March. As I've said before, it's a form of rebalancing - just not what anyone intended or expected - and it's here to stay.
From about 3 to 4 weeks ago it has been about one a day.
The first one freaked me entirely. I had no idea what the heck was happening. Strange how quickly we forget. I barely noticed them before.
Look at all the trouble he had last time he banged an American.
Dont try and use geo-location on phones, electronic tags etc - as that will go wrong, just do it manually and throw whatever manpower is needed at it, we have 750k volunteers on top of border teams available.
And it would also mean I couldn’t have an Indian, which would be rather a shame as I am rather partial to a good Indian. Admittedly, I like it with chips as well as rice which I know is heresy.
I am starting to think that the world has gone completely mad.
I think in four days I’ve seen five passengers on the trains.
Barnes is full of professionals working from home. The local shops, pubs, restaurants and cinema have now opened and are doing a reasonable trade. They are all within walking distance. I had a pub lunch with three friends yesterday in the garden at the Red Lion. It was quite busy, not hectic.
The various local community organisations including churches, foodbank, CAB, and many others have pulled together to identify and serve the vulnerable people who live here.
Barnes will be OK post virus. It is a resilient sustainable community and has the Wetland Centre, Barnes pond and Common and lots of great restaurants and pubs.
https://www.barnes-ca.org/
Edit: maybe that is why ex-Council houses cost £1.2m
(Although for a grandmother, shouldn’t it be one in four?)
They have started doing veg and salad boxes for delivery or coĺlection. Now doing North of 300 a week. Turning a profit and providing a service. I can't see folk going back to driving miles away for the same thing.
Which is an unexpected small scale boost to the village economy.
And middle aged professionals in Barnes etc will be happy there, not in any particular rush to move far.
These trends will happen but they will be both more local and slower than people are currently imagining.
What I was getting at is people not already living there might not be so keen to do so if they don't need to commute to the office most days.
Appropriation is more a matter of mocking or parodying the culture, so some forms of fancy dress stray too far. I have travelled widely, and live in an extremely multicultural city. People of other cultures pretty universally welcome sincere interest in their culture.
It’s deeply worrying though that there are nutters who don’t get this.
Woefully misleading figures have only made it harder to tackle the pandemic and to get the country moving again
Matthew Lesh"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/17/public-health-englands-exaggerated-death-statistics-scandal/
WFH is an existential threat to many white collar jobs.
Hope their not banning those from Nations with high Covid 19 Mortality
My car will be packed with provisions for 14 days and the house my wife built in Co Galway is isolated in 20 acres so I can cope and will be very busy with strimmers, mowers, chain saw etc. Currently I won't need to self isolate when I return in September.
The criterion the Irish government will use is the average daily cases per million compared with Ireland. Ireland currently has 6 cases per million, England has 10 and London has 5. The US certainly won't be on the Irish green list!
Meanwhile, Jersey has reopened its borders, expecting 1 case for every 7,000 arrivals. They got 5 in the first 1,100 and have nearly 1,000 awaiting test results (they send their tests to the UK...).
In summary not all places are going to be entirely equal just because there is no office, especially for small businesses.
It’s not too late to insist on forcing people to quarantine on your terms.
Some countries have a system whereby you go from the airport to a government quarantine centre (hotel) at your own expense, and can buy yourself out with a negative test. Other countries have a system whereby you have to get tested two days before you travel, and can’t get on the plane (at the origin) without the negative result.
Failure to impose either option now, makes a second wave pretty much inevitable in the U.K.
What I can see happening, is a lot of companies that were formerly based in an office in London, having a deal whereby everyone works from home normally, and spends one week in three or four at an office somewhere - which could be well out of town, in a business park with an hotel next door. The central London office can be downsized 80% and used only for external meetings.
Yes, some of those workers will end up in France or Ireland, but they won’t be ‘outsourced’ to Bangalore.
Secondly if working from home becomes the new normal then alternatives to the current way of networking will appear.
(Which is another reason why HS2 still needs to happen for places like Derby if we want to decentralise the economy for the long term).
USA Since 16 March, it is not possible for many British nationals to enter the USA if they have been in the UK, Ireland, Schengen zone, Iran, Brazil, or China within the previous 14 days.
South Africa Lockdown restrictions restrict entry into South Africa, except for South African nationals and foreign nationals with valid residence permits.
They're all stopping us going to their country - why on earth shouldn't we do the same to them?
People can and will move around to game the system (Bangalore > Amsterdam > Birmingham) and it only needs a few people to get through to cause trouble.
We can, and should, choose which countries and companies we accept tests from.
I think also the Irish figure is lower - they are quoting 4 per 100,000 (as a cumulative 14-day total), though a seven-day average will be higher as it's increasing recently in Ireland.
Betting PostF1: decided to back Bottas on Betfair for pole at 3.35, with a hedge set up at 1.5.
https://enormo-haddock.blogspot.com/2020/07/hungary-pre-qualifying-2020.html
Edited extra bit: going afk now, pre-race tosh should be up tomorrow morning.
We should still do it, especially as a UK-US trade deal is fantasy anyway, given that it needs approval on their side from both the President and the House.
There’s very much an increase in chartered planes by businesses, they don’t want execs (old, unhealthy men, to be stereotypical) going through airports and on planes with hundreds of others.
https://twitter.com/Otto_English/status/1284424505541169153?s=20
And that is the mindset across the political spectrum.
Even when presented with this open goal Starmer wasn't interested.
Here we have all our media morons rabbiting on about "compulsory masks" when the govt are actually talking about face-coverings - which is met by my snoods.
Just as the media morons have spent months gibbering confusingly about "The Rules", when such an entity does not even exist - we have The Regulations (Laws) and The Guidance (ie advice).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv0HJm5UbPw