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  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    HYUFD said:

    eristdoof said:

    LadyG said:

    isam said:

    LadyG said:

    India is reporting over 25k new cases but has conducted 4 times fewer tests than the USA.

    The virus is accelerating, in a frightening way. It has gone from 10m cases to 12m in about half an hour, or so it seems

    South Africa reported thirteen THOUSAND new cases, today
    The early cheer from lockdown lovers was that SA had done a fantastic job

    https://www.ft.com/content/124dd4f4-8a0b-11ea-9dcb-fe6871f4145a
    The same people cheered the Indian effort, especially in communist Kerala

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/14/the-coronavirus-slayer-how-keralas-rock-star-health-minister-helped-save-it-from-covid-19


    https://twitter.com/NorbertElekes/status/1280942484454092801?s=20

    Oops!

    Time for a counter reply from HYUFD.
    I’ll have a go.

    Kerala has the biggest jump in the last two weeks and two of the largest in the last month even if Bihar has seen the biggest jump among Hindus only.

    (I have no idea whether the above is true, I just thought I’d save HY a job)
    The point is in relation to India even if it has cases per head at or even above the global average it will always have deaths per head well below the global average because it has so few over 70s percentage wise and very few over 80s and an average life expentancy under 70.

    Hence while India has 576 cases per million it also has only 16 deaths per million, a death rate of 2% compared to a global average of 1, 586 cases per million and 71.4 deaths per million, a death rate of 4.5%.

    In western countries like the UK however where we have an above average life expectancy we have had 4,236 cases per million and 657 deaths per million, a death rate of 15.5%
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    Quite possibly, I have no idea. I was only pulling your leg.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,599
    LadyG said:

    India is reporting over 25k new cases but has conducted 4 times fewer tests than the USA.

    The virus is accelerating, in a frightening way. It has gone from 10m cases to 12m in about half an hour, or so it seems

    South Africa reported thirteen THOUSAND new cases, today
    On the other hand, the first wave in western/central Europe appears to be coming to an end with very few new cases and deaths.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,249

    kle4 said:

    LadyG said:
    I don't know that I've ever used the expression working class except in online poltical arguments. I do know a few people who do use the expression, but it seems almost an obsession for some, both revered and condescended to.
    One Corbynite I talked with said that the new base of the party should be the non-working class. He genuinely thought that the future would be increasing masses of unemployed.

    The workers were the new rich, according to him....

    Then again, maybe he'd watched too much of the Expanse.
    I have had similar conversations.

    The party of the idle and the beggar. Good luck with that one.
    Thankfully the Corbynites have been slung out, although I know it’s hard for the PB Tories to accept.
    Rather optimistic?

    Socialist Campaign Group has aiui twice as many Parliamentary members as 12 months ago, for example, and seems well stocked with Corbynistas.

    I have no idea what has happened to the membership. Long-Bailey had 135k votes, and I somehow don't think they have all gone.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Story published Friday PM NYT

    DeSantis Is Said to Quietly Hinder Fund-Raising for Trump Convention

    A personal dispute has prompted Ron DeSantis, the Florida governor, to discourage donors from contributing, people familiar with the discussions said. His top fund-raiser denies any attempt to undercut the convention.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,222
    Interesting interview with the governor of Rhode Island.
    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/07/08/gina-raimondo-interview-rhode-island-governor-covid-353799
    ... When Raimondo spoke with POLITICO Magazine’s Miami-based senior writer Michael Grunwald about her approach to the emergency, however, she talked just as much about lack of leadership, specifically Trump's hands-off happy-talk approach. Raimondo isn’t known as a political grandstander or a hard-edged partisan; her signature issue before COVID was an unsexy and unpopular pension reform, and she spoke warmly about her cooperation with like-minded Republican governors like Charlie Baker of Massachusetts and Larry Hogan of Maryland. She’s really angry at Trump, though. And if Rhode Island’s trajectory illustrates the power of state leadership driven by data, science and common sense, its death toll illustrates the limits of what states can achieve without help from the federal government...
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Nigelb said:

    Interesting interview with the governor of Rhode Island.
    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/07/08/gina-raimondo-interview-rhode-island-governor-covid-353799
    ... When Raimondo spoke with POLITICO Magazine’s Miami-based senior writer Michael Grunwald about her approach to the emergency, however, she talked just as much about lack of leadership, specifically Trump's hands-off happy-talk approach. Raimondo isn’t known as a political grandstander or a hard-edged partisan; her signature issue before COVID was an unsexy and unpopular pension reform, and she spoke warmly about her cooperation with like-minded Republican governors like Charlie Baker of Massachusetts and Larry Hogan of Maryland. She’s really angry at Trump, though. And if Rhode Island’s trajectory illustrates the power of state leadership driven by data, science and common sense, its death toll illustrates the limits of what states can achieve without help from the federal government...

    Certainly a Delaware + Rhode Island ticket would be historic.
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,335
    Yet more reports of explosions at military/military industry facilities in Iran this evening.

    If confirmed, this has to go down as an extraordinary effort by someone over the last couple of weeks due to its tempo and accuracy but most of all because even the Iranians don't really know whats going on.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Yokes said:

    Yet more reports of explosions at military/military industry facilities in Iran this evening.

    If confirmed, this has to go down as an extraordinary effort by someone over the last couple of weeks due to its tempo and accuracy but most of all because even the Iranians don't really know whats going on.

    Echoes of Stuxnet?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,599
    New BBC report on colonialism in Ireland.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgQT7ZjfSbw
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,335
    edited July 2020
    Tim_B said:

    Yokes said:

    Yet more reports of explosions at military/military industry facilities in Iran this evening.

    If confirmed, this has to go down as an extraordinary effort by someone over the last couple of weeks due to its tempo and accuracy but most of all because even the Iranians don't really know whats going on.

    Echoes of Stuxnet?
    Maybe, its all been very precise but its the spread, we have had chemical facilities, cetrifuge assembly, a medical centre oxygen tank facility, electrical grid points, rumours of underground missile storage facilities having explosions and yet more power outages tonight.

    A common factor is SCADA systems will be in use at many of these and that was the weak point last time so its plausible.

    If tonight's stuff is confirmed as malicious, however, it may be something new again.

    Its just all quite,....different.

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    edited July 2020
    On Topic.

    I think Layla would be much the better choice.

    Expect she would be too left wing for a certain prominent poster who has rejoined recently after being rejected by Labour.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Biden has announced his Sanders 'Unity' economic plan. It calls for -

    Study of reparations for black Americans
    $15 federal minimum wage
    Extend ACA coverage to illegal immigrants brought here as children
    100 day moratorium on deportations
    free community college

    That screams tax increases, which will not grow the economy. Needless to say Sanders loves it. This is left wing even by Obama standards. It remains to be seen how this will sell to the US version of the man on the Clapham omnibus - the man driving the Buick on I-95.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Tim_B said:

    Biden has announced his Sanders 'Unity' economic plan. It calls for -

    Study of reparations for black Americans
    $15 federal minimum wage
    Extend ACA coverage to illegal immigrants brought here as children
    100 day moratorium on deportations
    free community college

    That screams tax increases, which will not grow the economy. Needless to say Sanders loves it. This is left wing even by Obama standards. It remains to be seen how this will sell to the US version of the man on the Clapham omnibus - the man driving the Buick on I-95.

    Good job his opponent is Trump
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    Tim_B said:

    Biden has announced his Sanders 'Unity' economic plan. It calls for -

    Study of reparations for black Americans
    $15 federal minimum wage
    Extend ACA coverage to illegal immigrants brought here as children
    100 day moratorium on deportations
    free community college

    That screams tax increases, which will not grow the economy. Needless to say Sanders loves it. This is left wing even by Obama standards. It remains to be seen how this will sell to the US version of the man on the Clapham omnibus - the man driving the Buick on I-95.

    Reparations?
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352

    PLEASE ELECT MORAN

    After Corbyn I've lost the appetite for this.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,217
    Well, if the EU has a working vaccine and we do not, or if we pay twice what the EU pays, then we made a mistake.

    Let's make a judgment when we know that shall we.
  • Gabs3Gabs3 Posts: 836
    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    Biden has announced his Sanders 'Unity' economic plan. It calls for -

    Study of reparations for black Americans
    $15 federal minimum wage
    Extend ACA coverage to illegal immigrants brought here as children
    100 day moratorium on deportations
    free community college

    That screams tax increases, which will not grow the economy. Needless to say Sanders loves it. This is left wing even by Obama standards. It remains to be seen how this will sell to the US version of the man on the Clapham omnibus - the man driving the Buick on I-95.

    Reparations?
    Most of the discussion would be around paying it via investment in black schools, not direct payments. Other parts are off: covering illegal immigrants would actually reduce cost, as uninsured people end up costing more money when they eventually need to go to the emergency room who are legally obliged to treat them. A $15 minimum wage is paid by corporations not the Treasury. Removing illegal migrants actually costs money for obvious reasons.

    And all of this is small beer compared to the mismanagement of a pandemic that has destroyed lives and livelihoods. 2020 will be a realignment election and the GOP will have to fundamentally change to ever return to prominence.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,217
    Tim_B said:

    Biden has announced his Sanders 'Unity' economic plan. It calls for -

    Study of reparations for black Americans
    $15 federal minimum wage
    Extend ACA coverage to illegal immigrants brought here as children
    100 day moratorium on deportations
    free community college

    That screams tax increases, which will not grow the economy. Needless to say Sanders loves it. This is left wing even by Obama standards. It remains to be seen how this will sell to the US version of the man on the Clapham omnibus - the man driving the Buick on I-95.

    Obama was not particularly left wing - he deported almost as many illegal immigrants as Trump and did while dramatically reducing the number of people crossing from Mexico.

    Whereas under Trump, border crossings are up.

    It goes to show how different perception and reality are.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,599
    "Police in England and Wales face inquiry into possible racial bias

    Exclusive: IOPC to look for any pattern of discrimination in use of force and stop and search"

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jul/09/police-in-england-and-wales-face-inquiry-into-possible-racial-bias
  • Gabs3Gabs3 Posts: 836
    rcs1000 said:

    Tim_B said:

    Biden has announced his Sanders 'Unity' economic plan. It calls for -

    Study of reparations for black Americans
    $15 federal minimum wage
    Extend ACA coverage to illegal immigrants brought here as children
    100 day moratorium on deportations
    free community college

    That screams tax increases, which will not grow the economy. Needless to say Sanders loves it. This is left wing even by Obama standards. It remains to be seen how this will sell to the US version of the man on the Clapham omnibus - the man driving the Buick on I-95.

    Obama was not particularly left wing - he deported almost as many illegal immigrants as Trump and did while dramatically reducing the number of people crossing from Mexico.

    Whereas under Trump, border crossings are up.

    It goes to show how different perception and reality are.
    Robert, are you still in charge of the website? I love the look of the new mobile version but can't seem to find the comments for each article so have to revert to classic.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Gabs3 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Tim_B said:

    Biden has announced his Sanders 'Unity' economic plan. It calls for -

    Study of reparations for black Americans
    $15 federal minimum wage
    Extend ACA coverage to illegal immigrants brought here as children
    100 day moratorium on deportations
    free community college

    That screams tax increases, which will not grow the economy. Needless to say Sanders loves it. This is left wing even by Obama standards. It remains to be seen how this will sell to the US version of the man on the Clapham omnibus - the man driving the Buick on I-95.

    Obama was not particularly left wing - he deported almost as many illegal immigrants as Trump and did while dramatically reducing the number of people crossing from Mexico.

    Whereas under Trump, border crossings are up.

    It goes to show how different perception and reality are.
    Robert, are you still in charge of the website? I love the look of the new mobile version but can't seem to find the comments for each article so have to revert to classic.
    To get to comments in the mobile version of the site just open the post you want to go to and wait a little bit. This takes a few seconds but it will appear
  • Gabs3Gabs3 Posts: 836

    Gabs3 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Tim_B said:

    Biden has announced his Sanders 'Unity' economic plan. It calls for -

    Study of reparations for black Americans
    $15 federal minimum wage
    Extend ACA coverage to illegal immigrants brought here as children
    100 day moratorium on deportations
    free community college

    That screams tax increases, which will not grow the economy. Needless to say Sanders loves it. This is left wing even by Obama standards. It remains to be seen how this will sell to the US version of the man on the Clapham omnibus - the man driving the Buick on I-95.

    Obama was not particularly left wing - he deported almost as many illegal immigrants as Trump and did while dramatically reducing the number of people crossing from Mexico.

    Whereas under Trump, border crossings are up.

    It goes to show how different perception and reality are.
    Robert, are you still in charge of the website? I love the look of the new mobile version but can't seem to find the comments for each article so have to revert to classic.
    To get to comments in the mobile version of the site just open the post you want to go to and wait a little bit. This takes a few seconds but it will appear
    Thanks, but when I do that what appears after a few seconds is just thumbnails and links to previous articles, plus four monthly archives at the bottom. No comments!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Gabs3 said:

    Gabs3 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Tim_B said:

    Biden has announced his Sanders 'Unity' economic plan. It calls for -

    Study of reparations for black Americans
    $15 federal minimum wage
    Extend ACA coverage to illegal immigrants brought here as children
    100 day moratorium on deportations
    free community college

    That screams tax increases, which will not grow the economy. Needless to say Sanders loves it. This is left wing even by Obama standards. It remains to be seen how this will sell to the US version of the man on the Clapham omnibus - the man driving the Buick on I-95.

    Obama was not particularly left wing - he deported almost as many illegal immigrants as Trump and did while dramatically reducing the number of people crossing from Mexico.

    Whereas under Trump, border crossings are up.

    It goes to show how different perception and reality are.
    Robert, are you still in charge of the website? I love the look of the new mobile version but can't seem to find the comments for each article so have to revert to classic.
    To get to comments in the mobile version of the site just open the post you want to go to and wait a little bit. This takes a few seconds but it will appear
    Thanks, but when I do that what appears after a few seconds is just thumbnails and links to previous articles, plus four monthly archives at the bottom. No comments!
    I had the same problem. Mike is right that if you wait, or refresh and wait, they do come up eventually. There isn’t any shortcut or anything you can do to make this happen, and it did seem to me that sometimes you would wait and they wouldnt appear, and you had to load the whole page and start again.

    What with that and the first character of every line disappearing off the side of the page, I prefer to use the website version even on my phone.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    CNN: As the US plunges into an ever deeper coronavirus morass, setting record new infection rates and the death curve begins to rise again, there's no prospect of the nightmare ending for months.

    Delusion dominates an administration that perversely claims the United States is the world leader in beating this modern day plague. There are only contradictions, obfuscations and confusion from the federal officials who ought to be charting a national course.

    The massive integrated testing and tracing effort that could highlight and isolate infection epicenters doesn't exist. Attempts to reopen schools in a few weeks are already descending into farce amid conflicting messages from Washington.

    Amid all of this, the coronavirus task force does not hold daily briefings, and when it does, they are an exercise in dodging difficult questions and self-congratulation.

    Staggeringly, the United States -- the world's richest nation that has just over 4% of the planet's population -- has a quarter of global cases of Covid-19 and nearly a quarter of the deaths. Intensive care units are filling up across southern and western states
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,464
    IanB2 said:

    CNN: As the US plunges into an ever deeper coronavirus morass, setting record new infection rates and the death curve begins to rise again, there's no prospect of the nightmare ending for months.

    Delusion dominates an administration that perversely claims the United States is the world leader in beating this modern day plague. There are only contradictions, obfuscations and confusion from the federal officials who ought to be charting a national course.

    The massive integrated testing and tracing effort that could highlight and isolate infection epicenters doesn't exist. Attempts to reopen schools in a few weeks are already descending into farce amid conflicting messages from Washington.

    Amid all of this, the coronavirus task force does not hold daily briefings, and when it does, they are an exercise in dodging difficult questions and self-congratulation.

    Staggeringly, the United States -- the world's richest nation that has just over 4% of the planet's population -- has a quarter of global cases of Covid-19 and nearly a quarter of the deaths. Intensive care units are filling up across southern and western states

    But what do Fox and that new one ....O something..... say?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    edited July 2020
    NEW THREAD
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,902

    On Topic.

    I think Layla would be much the better choice.

    Expect she would be too left wing for a certain prominent poster who has rejoined recently after being rejected by Labour.

    No I'd be fine with Layla. She wouldn't be as good or as successful as Ed but she'd be ok.

    I do enjoy your bitter posts! Good luck with winning back your millions of lost voters with your attitude of sneering disdain towards anyone who doesn't hum the Internationale whilst brushing their teeth.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    LadyG said:
    A good thread too. I used to work, briefly, in Leigh and was 100% shocked that it voted Tory. But as far as the Leigh/Wigan thing is concerned absolutely.

    Tell someone from Leigh that they're from Wigan and you're basically asking to get punched. It's like telling someone from Sunderland they're from Newcastle or telling a Scot they're English. It's fighting words.
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