I think there's a language problem, namely that antisemitism is not understood to be a subcategory of racism but something separate. So you can happily be antisemitic and anti-racist at the same time.
There is more than a grain of truth in this. Antisemitism stands apart in certain ways. It's to do with skin colour (Jews are white) and with the lack of perceived oppression. Also the complex matter of Israel.
For some "anti-racists" on the Left, Israel is an obsession and this leads them into antisemitism. By contrast for some white supremacist types on the Right, Israel is also an obsession but is close to a love object.
So you have anti-racists on the Left being racist because they hate Israel and hardcore racists on the Right loving Israel because they are racists.
This is truly nuts. White Supremacists do not like Jews full stop, especially Israel, it is the core of white supremacist ideology that Jews are not part of their definition of white.
On the other hand those on the left are keen to push "Jews are white" to imply Jews are the ultimate cause of "white supremecy", hence simply defending the right of Israel to exist is white supremecy.
How about not trying to racialise everything?
people just tying themselves in knots and disappearing up their own jacksies just so they can shout racist about anything. Pedant wise it should be supremacy.
LOL. What will their reaction be, when it finally dawns on them that Gove and Cummings have been planning this for years, and the radical policy agenda is coming down the line like a steam train heading straight for Whitehall?
I think there's a language problem, namely that antisemitism is not understood to be a subcategory of racism but something separate. So you can happily be antisemitic and anti-racist at the same time.
There is more than a grain of truth in this. Antisemitism stands apart in certain ways. It's to do with skin colour (Jews are white) and with the lack of perceived oppression. Also the complex matter of Israel.
For some "anti-racists" on the Left, Israel is an obsession and this leads them into antisemitism. By contrast for some white supremacist types on the Right, Israel is also an obsession but is close to a love object.
So you have anti-racists on the Left being racist because they hate Israel and hardcore racists on the Right loving Israel because they are racists.
But WHY do lefties get so obsessed by Israel? It’s a small country quite a long way away. It is fairly pivotal in Middle East politics, but not in ours.
So, why? One reason might be that it is inhabited by Jews. Therefore the leftwing obsession with Israel is actually an obsession with Jews. Look at Ken Livingstone for an example.
That suggests anti-Semitism is the root, not a mere by-product.
Same goes for right wing Israel obsessives, too, but these days they are smaller in number.
Not to say that's never the case but I think on the Left it usually works as I described it. These people are steeped in an anti American imperialism mindset and Israel (to them) looks like an enduring and unacceptable bastion of it. It looks like a racist state where white people are oppressing brown ones and the oppressors are backed heavily by the Great Satan, the US.
To continue and correct the analogy, Starmer inherited the burning building from an old man carrying accelerant and a box of matches.
Starmer has put the fire out and is starting to rebuild the foundations. The old man's solicitor threw in a Molatov cocktail earlier this week which Starmer threw back at her.
Labour always faces the same problem: The proper ideological, anti-democratic, humanity hating left (like this bonkers lot in the article) can never win power or influence without being part of a party with a sane face and distinguished history, and Labour is the only option for this purpose. The Labour party can never permanently prevent the 1% of the population who follow this drivel from trying to run the party. They have, under Foot and Corbyn, for a time succeeded in doing so. Does Starmer have a plan for making it a proper, centrist only party, excluding the totalitarians? Something which the Tories have managed to do with regard to the fascist right.
His best chance to do a Kinnock is going to be the EHRC antisemitism report, due later this year.
Genuinely good luck to him, his best chance of holding the government to account is to present a credible alternative, as TB did 25 years ago.
To continue and correct the analogy, Starmer inherited the burning building from an old man carrying accelerant and a box of matches.
Starmer has put the fire out and is starting to rebuild the foundations. The old man's solicitor threw in a Molatov cocktail earlier this week which Starmer threw back at her.
Labour always faces the same problem: The proper ideological, anti-democratic, humanity hating left (like this bonkers lot in the article) can never win power or influence without being part of a party with a sane face and distinguished history, and Labour is the only option for this purpose. The Labour party can never permanently prevent the 1% of the population who follow this drivel from trying to run the party. They have, under Foot and Corbyn, for a time succeeded in doing so. Does Starmer have a plan for making it a proper, centrist only party, excluding the totalitarians? Something which the Tories have managed to do with regard to the fascist right.
Genuinely I'd have him in my top team any day, I find post-leadership Ed incredibly likeable.
Post-politics politicians are an amazing bunch of people. They're much more likeable once they drop the petty party politics, and their former career has given them good communication and interpersonal skills - from Michael Portillo to Ed Balls.
I think there's a language problem, namely that antisemitism is not understood to be a subcategory of racism but something separate. So you can happily be antisemitic and anti-racist at the same time.
There is more than a grain of truth in this. Antisemitism stands apart in certain ways. It's to do with skin colour (Jews are white) and with the lack of perceived oppression. Also the complex matter of Israel.
For some "anti-racists" on the Left, Israel is an obsession and this leads them into antisemitism. By contrast for some white supremacist types on the Right, Israel is also an obsession but is close to a love object.
So you have anti-racists on the Left being racist because they hate Israel and hardcore racists on the Right loving Israel because they are racists.
This is truly nuts. White Supremacists do not like Jews full stop, especially Israel, it is the core of white supremacist ideology that Jews are not part of their definition of white.
On the other hand those on the left are keen to push "Jews are white" to imply Jews are the ultimate cause of "white supremecy", hence simply defending the right of Israel to exist is white supremecy.
How about not trying to racialise everything?
Katie Hopkins and ilk. VERY pro Israel. As are many strands of white supremacist "thinking". Especially in the States. And especially where anti-Islam has been ardently embraced. Not all though. There are the "purists" (as you say) for whom white is white, rest are shite.
To continue and correct the analogy, Starmer inherited the burning building from an old man carrying accelerant and a box of matches.
Starmer has put the fire out and is starting to rebuild the foundations. The old man's solicitor threw in a Molatov cocktail earlier this week which Starmer threw back at her.
Labour always faces the same problem: The proper ideological, anti-democratic, humanity hating left (like this bonkers lot in the article) can never win power or influence without being part of a party with a sane face and distinguished history, and Labour is the only option for this purpose. The Labour party can never permanently prevent the 1% of the population who follow this drivel from trying to run the party. They have, under Foot and Corbyn, for a time succeeded in doing so. Does Starmer have a plan for making it a proper, centrist only party, excluding the totalitarians? Something which the Tories have managed to do with regard to the fascist right.
Its more than 1 %!
You really think the tories have kept the racist right out? Well it depends on where you start from I suppose
To continue and correct the analogy, Starmer inherited the burning building from an old man carrying accelerant and a box of matches.
Starmer has put the fire out and is starting to rebuild the foundations. The old man's solicitor threw in a Molatov cocktail earlier this week which Starmer threw back at her.
Labour always faces the same problem: The proper ideological, anti-democratic, humanity hating left (like this bonkers lot in the article) can never win power or influence without being part of a party with a sane face and distinguished history, and Labour is the only option for this purpose. The Labour party can never permanently prevent the 1% of the population who follow this drivel from trying to run the party. They have, under Foot and Corbyn, for a time succeeded in doing so. Does Starmer have a plan for making it a proper, centrist only party, excluding the totalitarians? Something which the Tories have managed to do with regard to the fascist right.
I was with you all the way until your final statement.
Let's not start throwing words like fascist about with regard to current Conservative members, but I think we can certainly use terms like authoritarian and xenophobic.
Recently Terry Dicks died, and his passing has not gone unnoticed on this site. I understand it is bad form to speak ill of the departed, but at least they can't litigate. Terry Dicks fitted the frame of xenophobe and authoritarian quite comfortably. He was also a former Conservative Party member and MP.
Sedwill's position was untenable when it was discovered he was trying to agree a two-year Brexit extension with Brussels - whilst Boris was in hospital with Covid.
Cummins discovered this - and closed it down. Now we leave on 31st December 2020.
The peeved reaction was the release of the long known about story of Cummins' trip to Durham....
If this is true then Sedwill is a snake and deserves the boot.
I think there's a language problem, namely that antisemitism is not understood to be a subcategory of racism but something separate. So you can happily be antisemitic and anti-racist at the same time.
There is more than a grain of truth in this. Antisemitism stands apart in certain ways. It's to do with skin colour (Jews are white) and with the lack of perceived oppression. Also the complex matter of Israel.
For some "anti-racists" on the Left, Israel is an obsession and this leads them into antisemitism. By contrast for some white supremacist types on the Right, Israel is also an obsession but is close to a love object.
So you have anti-racists on the Left being racist because they hate Israel and hardcore racists on the Right loving Israel because they are racists.
But WHY do lefties get so obsessed by Israel? It’s a small country quite a long way away. It is fairly pivotal in Middle East politics, but not in ours.
So, why? One reason might be that it is inhabited by Jews. Therefore the leftwing obsession with Israel is actually an obsession with Jews. Look at Ken Livingstone for an example.
That suggests anti-Semitism is the root, not a mere by-product.
Same goes for right wing Israel obsessives, too, but these days they are smaller in number.
Not to say that is never the case but I do think on the Left it usually works as I described it. These people are steeped in an anti American imperialism mindset and Israel (to them) looks like an enduring and unacceptable bastion of it. It looks like a racist state where white people are oppressing brown ones and the oppressors are backed heavily by the Great Satan, the US.
Yes, that's it. There are many governments that commit worse atrocities, but none of them are such secure allies of the West as that of Israel. The closest would be Saudi Arabia, and to be fair people on the left do talk a lot about Saudi Arabia, albeit not as much as Israel.
Many people who are not racists suffer from confirmation bias, whether on the left or on the right. Some of those will therefore repeat myths about Israel without initially seeing a connection to anti-Semitism, just as Maxine Peake did. Some will refuse to see that link, even when it's pointed out to them, because they are used to the right crying wolf on many issues.
Where there is some hope right now is that the swift action against anti-Semitism has happened in the same week as Labour has called for sanctions over the issue of annexation of territory in the West Bank. Owen Jones, for example, has praised the latter. Maybe it will help some people understand what is and is not legitimate criticism of Israel.
To continue and correct the analogy, Starmer inherited the burning building from an old man carrying accelerant and a box of matches.
Starmer has put the fire out and is starting to rebuild the foundations. The old man's solicitor threw in a Molatov cocktail earlier this week which Starmer threw back at her.
Labour always faces the same problem: The proper ideological, anti-democratic, humanity hating left (like this bonkers lot in the article) can never win power or influence without being part of a party with a sane face and distinguished history, and Labour is the only option for this purpose. The Labour party can never permanently prevent the 1% of the population who follow this drivel from trying to run the party. They have, under Foot and Corbyn, for a time succeeded in doing so. Does Starmer have a plan for making it a proper, centrist only party, excluding the totalitarians? Something which the Tories have managed to do with regard to the fascist right.
Its more than 1 %!
More than 1% of the population have very left wing views, I am sure. But are more than 1% involved in the ludicrous Kremlinology of it all, engaging with po-faced, student union nonsense in the Jacobin, the Canary, Novara Media and so on?
I suspect most people who are very left wing are sorry Corbyn never became PM and like him more than Starmer. But a lot of them accept that ship has sailed, still want a Labour Government, and in many cases realise that the party probably needs to reach out to the centre more than it did under their man.
To continue and correct the analogy, Starmer inherited the burning building from an old man carrying accelerant and a box of matches.
Starmer has put the fire out and is starting to rebuild the foundations. The old man's solicitor threw in a Molatov cocktail earlier this week which Starmer threw back at her.
Labour always faces the same problem: The proper ideological, anti-democratic, humanity hating left (like this bonkers lot in the article) can never win power or influence without being part of a party with a sane face and distinguished history, and Labour is the only option for this purpose. The Labour party can never permanently prevent the 1% of the population who follow this drivel from trying to run the party. They have, under Foot and Corbyn, for a time succeeded in doing so. Does Starmer have a plan for making it a proper, centrist only party, excluding the totalitarians? Something which the Tories have managed to do with regard to the fascist right.
Its more than 1 %!
More than 1% of the population have very left wing views, I am sure. But are more than 1% involved in the ludicrous Kremlinology of it all, engaging with po-faced, student union nonsense in the Jacobin, the Canary, Novara Media and so on?
I suspect most people who are very left wing are sorry Corbyn never became PM and like him more than Starmer. But a lot of them accept that ship has sailed, still want a Labour Government, and in many cases realise that the party probably needs to reach out to the centre more than it did under their man.
I certainly do and it's an objective fact most Labour members do too.
Man City 2.16 Liverpool 2.66 Man Utd 16 Chelsea 17
(Spurs and Arsenal not yet listed)
So despite Liverpool losing just two games in two seasons and Man City being 23 points behind this season, Man City are favourites!
Maybe reflects fact Man City expected to spend more this summer, though that may depend on CAS. CAS could go either way so seems unpredictable.
Or perhaps punters are looking at the record of the 2 clubs over the past 5 seasons rather than 1.
Yes, it's an interesting one - I think Liverpool have been very lucky this season with numerous games won very fortunately.
Though I appreciate that's not a view you would pick up much from the media.
I do wonder if in fact the underlying quality of both sides is about the same. If Man City now spend more and aren't in the CL then they may well be justified favourites.
Back, back a .long time ago of course being pro-israel was a Left position. There were, IIRC, quite a few Tories who were pro-Arab, and hence Pro the Palestinians.
I think there's a language problem, namely that antisemitism is not understood to be a subcategory of racism but something separate. So you can happily be antisemitic and anti-racist at the same time.
There is more than a grain of truth in this. Antisemitism stands apart in certain ways. It's to do with skin colour (Jews are white) and with the lack of perceived oppression. Also the complex matter of Israel.
For some "anti-racists" on the Left, Israel is an obsession and this leads them into antisemitism. By contrast for some white supremacist types on the Right, Israel is also an obsession but is close to a love object.
So you have anti-racists on the Left being racist because they hate Israel and hardcore racists on the Right loving Israel because they are racists.
But WHY do lefties get so obsessed by Israel? It’s a small country quite a long way away. It is fairly pivotal in Middle East politics, but not in ours.
So, why? One reason might be that it is inhabited by Jews. Therefore the leftwing obsession with Israel is actually an obsession with Jews. Look at Ken Livingstone for an example.
That suggests anti-Semitism is the root, not a mere by-product.
Same goes for right wing Israel obsessives, too, but these days they are smaller in number.
Not to say that is never the case but I do think on the Left it usually works as I described it. These people are steeped in an anti American imperialism mindset and Israel (to them) looks like an enduring and unacceptable bastion of it. It looks like a racist state where white people are oppressing brown ones and the oppressors are backed heavily by the Great Satan, the US.
Yes, that's it. There are many governments that commit worse atrocities, but none of them are such secure allies of the West as that of Israel. The closest would be Saudi Arabia, and to be fair people on the left do talk a lot about Saudi Arabia, albeit not as much as Israel.
Many people who are not racists suffer from confirmation bias, whether on the left or on the right. Some of those will therefore repeat myths about Israel without initially seeing a connection to anti-Semitism, just as Maxine Peake did. Some will refuse to see that link, even when it's pointed out to them, because they are used to the right crying wolf on many issues.
Where there is some hope right now is that the swift action against anti-Semitism has happened in the same week as Labour has called for sanctions over the issue of annexation of territory in the West Bank. Owen Jones, for example, has praised the latter. Maybe it will help some people understand what is and is not legitimate criticism of Israel.
Yep. My rules for western lefties who are not Palestinians. Criticize Israel - in fact that's mandatory - but (i) do not bang on and on about it as if it's the most crucial issue in the world today and (ii) apply the same standards to other oppressive regimes and (iii) do not succumb to conspiracy theories about Jews running the world.
Owen Jones is imo pretty good on the whole with this subject. Guilty of cutting Corbyn too much slack on occasions but he has usually managed my 1/2/3.
To continue and correct the analogy, Starmer inherited the burning building from an old man carrying accelerant and a box of matches.
Starmer has put the fire out and is starting to rebuild the foundations. The old man's solicitor threw in a Molatov cocktail earlier this week which Starmer threw back at her.
Labour always faces the same problem: The proper ideological, anti-democratic, humanity hating left (like this bonkers lot in the article) can never win power or influence without being part of a party with a sane face and distinguished history, and Labour is the only option for this purpose. The Labour party can never permanently prevent the 1% of the population who follow this drivel from trying to run the party. They have, under Foot and Corbyn, for a time succeeded in doing so. Does Starmer have a plan for making it a proper, centrist only party, excluding the totalitarians? Something which the Tories have managed to do with regard to the fascist right.
Its more than 1 %!
More than 1% of the population have very left wing views, I am sure. But are more than 1% involved in the ludicrous Kremlinology of it all, engaging with po-faced, student union nonsense in the Jacobin, the Canary, Novara Media and so on?
I suspect most people who are very left wing are sorry Corbyn never became PM and like him more than Starmer. But a lot of them accept that ship has sailed, still want a Labour Government, and in many cases realise that the party probably needs to reach out to the centre more than it did under their man.
I reckon its nearer to 15-20 %. Certainly double figures.
I also think that, of that population, they are highly likely to be very involved with "the ludicrous Kremlinology of it all, engaging with po-faced, student union nonsense in the Jacobin, the Canary, Novara Media and so on".
I think there's a language problem, namely that antisemitism is not understood to be a subcategory of racism but something separate. So you can happily be antisemitic and anti-racist at the same time.
There is more than a grain of truth in this. Antisemitism stands apart in certain ways. It's to do with skin colour (Jews are white) and with the lack of perceived oppression. Also the complex matter of Israel.
For some "anti-racists" on the Left, Israel is an obsession and this leads them into antisemitism. By contrast for some white supremacist types on the Right, Israel is also an obsession but is close to a love object.
So you have anti-racists on the Left being racist because they hate Israel and hardcore racists on the Right loving Israel because they are racists.
This is truly nuts. White Supremacists do not like Jews full stop, especially Israel, it is the core of white supremacist ideology that Jews are not part of their definition of white.
On the other hand those on the left are keen to push "Jews are white" to imply Jews are the ultimate cause of "white supremecy", hence simply defending the right of Israel to exist is white supremecy.
How about not trying to racialise everything?
Katie Hopkins and ilk. VERY pro Israel. As are many strands of white supremacist "thinking". Especially in the States. And especially where anti-Islam has been ardently embraced. Not all though. There are the "purists" (as you say) for whom white is white, rest are shite.
Werent Nick Griffin and a former head of the KKK fond of St Jeremy?
I think there's a language problem, namely that antisemitism is not understood to be a subcategory of racism but something separate. So you can happily be antisemitic and anti-racist at the same time.
There is more than a grain of truth in this. Antisemitism stands apart in certain ways. It's to do with skin colour (Jews are white) and with the lack of perceived oppression. Also the complex matter of Israel.
For some "anti-racists" on the Left, Israel is an obsession and this leads them into antisemitism. By contrast for some white supremacist types on the Right, Israel is also an obsession but is close to a love object.
So you have anti-racists on the Left being racist because they hate Israel and hardcore racists on the Right loving Israel because they are racists.
But WHY do lefties get so obsessed by Israel? It’s a small country quite a long way away. It is fairly pivotal in Middle East politics, but not in ours.
So, why? One reason might be that it is inhabited by Jews. Therefore the leftwing obsession with Israel is actually an obsession with Jews. Look at Ken Livingstone for an example.
That suggests anti-Semitism is the root, not a mere by-product.
Same goes for right wing Israel obsessives, too, but these days they are smaller in number.
Not to say that's never the case but I think on the Left it usually works as I described it. These people are steeped in an anti American imperialism mindset and Israel (to them) looks like an enduring and unacceptable bastion of it. It looks like a racist state where white people are oppressing brown ones and the oppressors are backed heavily by the Great Satan, the US.
Yes, anti-Americanism is also a factor, for sure.
But I have heard too much anti-Semitism, from supposed left wing people, expressed as a dislike of Jews per se (as running the world, being so deviously rich, exploiting non Jews) to believe plain racism is not a factor.
Distressingly, this mental virus afflicted a close friend of mine.
He was Labour, quite lefty but sane, until Corbyn got elected, then he was.... radicalised. Very odd. Part of the radicalisation was anti-Semitism, suddenly he was obsessed with the Jews and their terrible doings, Israel was often mentioned but it was not central. The main thing was THE JEWS.
It was so bad - boring as well as ugly - he was shunned, and his own brother disowned him.
He now seems to have recovered, I am happy to say, because basically he's a nice, funny man. But it was quite a spectacle.
Man City 2.16 Liverpool 2.66 Man Utd 16 Chelsea 17
(Spurs and Arsenal not yet listed)
So despite Liverpool losing just two games in two seasons and Man City being 23 points behind this season, Man City are favourites!
Maybe reflects fact Man City expected to spend more this summer, though that may depend on CAS. CAS could go either way so seems unpredictable.
Or perhaps punters are looking at the record of the 2 clubs over the past 5 seasons rather than 1.
Is Vincent Kompany coming back and everyone else getting made a few years younger, then?
Have to say I am surprised Man City are favourites for next year. It's not crazy to imagine them winning it, of course, but right now Liverpool are very significantly superior - they've just won the title with more ganes to spare than anyone else in history, and have lost two Premiership matches in two years.
Man City have the resources to get people in, and might not have European football to distract them. But they don't just need to improve, they need to improve a LOT and hope Liverpool have a dip.
Back, back a .long time ago of course being pro-israel was a Left position. There were, IIRC, quite a few Tories who were pro-Arab, and hence Pro the Palestinians.
Quite so. Israel was once seen by some lefties as a brave socialist experiment: the kibbutz movement, and so forth. And Israel was politically quite left wing, in its early days.
To continue and correct the analogy, Starmer inherited the burning building from an old man carrying accelerant and a box of matches.
Starmer has put the fire out and is starting to rebuild the foundations. The old man's solicitor threw in a Molatov cocktail earlier this week which Starmer threw back at her.
Labour always faces the same problem: The proper ideological, anti-democratic, humanity hating left (like this bonkers lot in the article) can never win power or influence without being part of a party with a sane face and distinguished history, and Labour is the only option for this purpose. The Labour party can never permanently prevent the 1% of the population who follow this drivel from trying to run the party. They have, under Foot and Corbyn, for a time succeeded in doing so. Does Starmer have a plan for making it a proper, centrist only party, excluding the totalitarians? Something which the Tories have managed to do with regard to the fascist right.
Its more than 1 %!
More than 1% of the population have very left wing views, I am sure. But are more than 1% involved in the ludicrous Kremlinology of it all, engaging with po-faced, student union nonsense in the Jacobin, the Canary, Novara Media and so on?
I suspect most people who are very left wing are sorry Corbyn never became PM and like him more than Starmer. But a lot of them accept that ship has sailed, still want a Labour Government, and in many cases realise that the party probably needs to reach out to the centre more than it did under their man.
I reckon its nearer to 15-20 %. Certainly double figures.
I also think that, of that population, they are highly likely to be very involved with "the ludicrous Kremlinology of it all, engaging with po-faced, student union nonsense in the Jacobin, the Canary, Novara Media and so on".
So, yeah, more than 1 %.
You reckon a double figures percentahe of the population are BOTH extremely left wing and get involved with the Kremlinology as played out in tedious detail in the Jacobin article?
If you were right, these sort of fringe media sites would have a readership/viewership in the millions in the UK, which they just don't.
I think there's a language problem, namely that antisemitism is not understood to be a subcategory of racism but something separate. So you can happily be antisemitic and anti-racist at the same time.
There is more than a grain of truth in this. Antisemitism stands apart in certain ways. It's to do with skin colour (Jews are white) and with the lack of perceived oppression. Also the complex matter of Israel.
For some "anti-racists" on the Left, Israel is an obsession and this leads them into antisemitism. By contrast for some white supremacist types on the Right, Israel is also an obsession but is close to a love object.
So you have anti-racists on the Left being racist because they hate Israel and hardcore racists on the Right loving Israel because they are racists.
This is truly nuts. White Supremacists do not like Jews full stop, especially Israel, it is the core of white supremacist ideology that Jews are not part of their definition of white.
On the other hand those on the left are keen to push "Jews are white" to imply Jews are the ultimate cause of "white supremecy", hence simply defending the right of Israel to exist is white supremecy.
How about not trying to racialise everything?
Katie Hopkins and ilk. VERY pro Israel. As are many strands of white supremacist "thinking". Especially in the States. And especially where anti-Islam has been ardently embraced. Not all though. There are the "purists" (as you say) for whom white is white, rest are shite.
Werent Nick Griffin and a former head of the KKK fond of St Jeremy?
It's a total non sequitur (!) but I wouldn't be surprised. Those white supremacy types take some bizarre positions sometimes.
I think there's a language problem, namely that antisemitism is not understood to be a subcategory of racism but something separate. So you can happily be antisemitic and anti-racist at the same time.
There is more than a grain of truth in this. Antisemitism stands apart in certain ways. It's to do with skin colour (Jews are white) and with the lack of perceived oppression. Also the complex matter of Israel.
For some "anti-racists" on the Left, Israel is an obsession and this leads them into antisemitism. By contrast for some white supremacist types on the Right, Israel is also an obsession but is close to a love object.
So you have anti-racists on the Left being racist because they hate Israel and hardcore racists on the Right loving Israel because they are racists.
This is truly nuts. White Supremacists do not like Jews full stop, especially Israel, it is the core of white supremacist ideology that Jews are not part of their definition of white.
On the other hand those on the left are keen to push "Jews are white" to imply Jews are the ultimate cause of "white supremecy", hence simply defending the right of Israel to exist is white supremecy.
How about not trying to racialise everything?
Katie Hopkins and ilk. VERY pro Israel. As are many strands of white supremacist "thinking". Especially in the States. And especially where anti-Islam has been ardently embraced. Not all though. There are the "purists" (as you say) for whom white is white, rest are shite.
Werent Nick Griffin and a former head of the KKK fond of St Jeremy?
Not that I would ever want to defend Jeremy Corbyn, however I think a citation would be helpful here.
I think there's a language problem, namely that antisemitism is not understood to be a subcategory of racism but something separate. So you can happily be antisemitic and anti-racist at the same time.
There is more than a grain of truth in this. Antisemitism stands apart in certain ways. It's to do with skin colour (Jews are white) and with the lack of perceived oppression. Also the complex matter of Israel.
For some "anti-racists" on the Left, Israel is an obsession and this leads them into antisemitism. By contrast for some white supremacist types on the Right, Israel is also an obsession but is close to a love object.
So you have anti-racists on the Left being racist because they hate Israel and hardcore racists on the Right loving Israel because they are racists.
This is truly nuts. White Supremacists do not like Jews full stop, especially Israel, it is the core of white supremacist ideology that Jews are not part of their definition of white.
On the other hand those on the left are keen to push "Jews are white" to imply Jews are the ultimate cause of "white supremecy", hence simply defending the right of Israel to exist is white supremecy.
How about not trying to racialise everything?
Katie Hopkins and ilk. VERY pro Israel. As are many strands of white supremacist "thinking". Especially in the States. And especially where anti-Islam has been ardently embraced. Not all though. There are the "purists" (as you say) for whom white is white, rest are shite.
Werent Nick Griffin and a former head of the KKK fond of St Jeremy?
Not that I would ever want to defend Jeremy Corbyn, however I think a citation would be helpful here.
Normally, the way a virus spreads itself is by turning an infected cell into a virus factory. The cell fills with virus copies like a water balloon, finally bursting and releasing the virus particles. But the filopodia seemed to show that the virus has devised an additional method for promoting infection: After copying itself within the host cell — but before the cell bursts — the virus exits through filopodia that tunnel out from the infected cell and punch a hole in a nearby uninfected cell, allowing the virus to swim from one cell to another.
Similar filopodia have been detected in other viruses, like smallpox, but Krogan said they’ve never been seen to this extent. Tests and electron microscope photos showed that these filopodia were packed with copies of the coronavirus as well as Casein Kinase II. The photos — captured by Elizabeth Fischer, chief of the microscopy unit at Rocky Mountain Laboratories, and scientists at the University of Freiburg — revealed that the virus was “budding” out from the filopodia, and, incredibly, some of the filopodia could even branch like trees, allowing a single strand to punch holes in two cells at once.
“It’s so biologically revealing,” Krogan said of the photos, calling them “the most fascinating and awful thing I’ve ever seen.”...
I think there's a language problem, namely that antisemitism is not understood to be a subcategory of racism but something separate. So you can happily be antisemitic and anti-racist at the same time.
There is more than a grain of truth in this. Antisemitism stands apart in certain ways. It's to do with skin colour (Jews are white) and with the lack of perceived oppression. Also the complex matter of Israel.
For some "anti-racists" on the Left, Israel is an obsession and this leads them into antisemitism. By contrast for some white supremacist types on the Right, Israel is also an obsession but is close to a love object.
So you have anti-racists on the Left being racist because they hate Israel and hardcore racists on the Right loving Israel because they are racists.
This is truly nuts. White Supremacists do not like Jews full stop, especially Israel, it is the core of white supremacist ideology that Jews are not part of their definition of white.
On the other hand those on the left are keen to push "Jews are white" to imply Jews are the ultimate cause of "white supremecy", hence simply defending the right of Israel to exist is white supremecy.
How about not trying to racialise everything?
Katie Hopkins and ilk. VERY pro Israel. As are many strands of white supremacist "thinking". Especially in the States. And especially where anti-Islam has been ardently embraced. Not all though. There are the "purists" (as you say) for whom white is white, rest are shite.
Werent Nick Griffin and a former head of the KKK fond of St Jeremy?
Not that I would ever want to defend Jeremy Corbyn, however I think a citation would be helpful here.
"Hate" is obviously way too strong, and he was right to apologise, but JK Rowling does come across as viewing the issue to be much simpler than it is. She could have found space in nine tweets to acknowledge that discrimination against transgender people is a serious issue (or for that matter that the proportion of domestic abuse victims who are male is far from negligible), and that this discrimination often turns to hatred and even violence.
There's no smoking gun, but she has consistently come across as intolerant on the issue. Maybe she can be excused this due to her own experiences. Nevertheless, considering the profile she has, we shouldn't blame those with similarly terrible experiences who speak out against her.
Normally, the way a virus spreads itself is by turning an infected cell into a virus factory. The cell fills with virus copies like a water balloon, finally bursting and releasing the virus particles. But the filopodia seemed to show that the virus has devised an additional method for promoting infection: After copying itself within the host cell — but before the cell bursts — the virus exits through filopodia that tunnel out from the infected cell and punch a hole in a nearby uninfected cell, allowing the virus to swim from one cell to another.
Similar filopodia have been detected in other viruses, like smallpox, but Krogan said they’ve never been seen to this extent. Tests and electron microscope photos showed that these filopodia were packed with copies of the coronavirus as well as Casein Kinase II. The photos — captured by Elizabeth Fischer, chief of the microscopy unit at Rocky Mountain Laboratories, and scientists at the University of Freiburg — revealed that the virus was “budding” out from the filopodia, and, incredibly, some of the filopodia could even branch like trees, allowing a single strand to punch holes in two cells at once.
“It’s so biologically revealing,” Krogan said of the photos, calling them “the most fascinating and awful thing I’ve ever seen.”...
I began reading this comment with an air of hopefulness....
Back, back a .long time ago of course being pro-israel was a Left position. There were, IIRC, quite a few Tories who were pro-Arab, and hence Pro the Palestinians.
That's right. Now pro-Israel is NOT a left position and the Jewish vote for Labour has declined dramatically. I guess there must be some causation there.
Jewish people mainly vote Tory now, I believe - something which did not start with Jeremy Corbyn. Ed Miliband had a problem in this area despite being Jewish himself.
Man City 2.16 Liverpool 2.66 Man Utd 16 Chelsea 17
(Spurs and Arsenal not yet listed)
So despite Liverpool losing just two games in two seasons and Man City being 23 points behind this season, Man City are favourites!
Maybe reflects fact Man City expected to spend more this summer, though that may depend on CAS. CAS could go either way so seems unpredictable.
Or perhaps punters are looking at the record of the 2 clubs over the past 5 seasons rather than 1.
Is Vincent Kompany coming back and everyone else getting made a few years younger, then?
Have to say I am surprised Man City are favourites for next year. It's not crazy to imagine them winning it, of course, but right now Liverpool are very significantly superior - they've just won the title with more ganes to spare than anyone else in history, and have lost two Premiership matches in two years.
Man City have the resources to get people in, and might not have European football to distract them. But they don't just need to improve, they need to improve a LOT and hope Liverpool have a dip.
People were saying exactly the same about City two years ago when they were breaking all the records. Nobody could see them being beaten ever again. They went on to win all 4 domestic trophies the next year.
Liverpool have one title and won it very comfortably. I really don't see there is much difference between the 2 but all the hype is currently about Liverpool.
"Hate" is obviously way too strong, and he was right to apologise, but JK Rowling does come across as viewing the issue to be much simpler than it is. She could have found space in nine tweets to acknowledge that discrimination against transgender people is a serious issue (or for that matter that the proportion of domestic abuse victims who are male is far from negligible), and that this discrimination often turns to hatred and even violence.
There's no smoking gun, but she has consistently come across as intolerant on the issue. Maybe she can be excused this due to her own experiences. Nevertheless, considering the profile she has, we shouldn't blame those with similarly terrible experiences who speak out against her.
I confess I don't know the nuances of the trans-TERF debate, even though I do try. I feel like an American realy trying to understand cricket.
I therefore don't feel confident enough to express a forthright opinion. I merely observe that is is a very vicious battle
Man City 2.16 Liverpool 2.66 Man Utd 16 Chelsea 17
(Spurs and Arsenal not yet listed)
So despite Liverpool losing just two games in two seasons and Man City being 23 points behind this season, Man City are favourites!
Maybe reflects fact Man City expected to spend more this summer, though that may depend on CAS. CAS could go either way so seems unpredictable.
Or perhaps punters are looking at the record of the 2 clubs over the past 5 seasons rather than 1.
Is Vincent Kompany coming back and everyone else getting made a few years younger, then?
Have to say I am surprised Man City are favourites for next year. It's not crazy to imagine them winning it, of course, but right now Liverpool are very significantly superior - they've just won the title with more ganes to spare than anyone else in history, and have lost two Premiership matches in two years.
Man City have the resources to get people in, and might not have European football to distract them. But they don't just need to improve, they need to improve a LOT and hope Liverpool have a dip.
People were saying exactly the same about City two years ago when they were breaking all the records. Nobody could see them being beaten ever again. They went on to win all 4 domestic trophies the next year.
Liverpool have one title and won it very comfortably. I really don't see there is much difference between the 2 but all the hype is currently about Liverpool.
Guardiola's a chequebook manager.
His net spend at City is circa £431 million.
In a similar time frame Klopp's net spend is less than £70 million.
Just remember Guardiola's spent more on full backs than Klopp has on his defence.
"The rise of coercive progressivism Stephen Daisley
What has followed the killing of George Floyd did not begin with the death of a man under the knee of a police officer. The rioting and the statue-toppling, the shunnings and the firings, the institutional genuflections and the gleeful marching through newly conquered territory are the fruits of ideas and impulses long in germination. Critics interpret these events as the work of either a political movement or a new religion, but it is more accurate to say that it is both. A secular millenarianism is trying to tear down the liberal order and erect in its place a new order that we might call coercive progressivism. It is an ideological project to enforce a progressive moral code through law, social convention and brute force, but the morality itself emerges from and satisfies a post-Christian search for meaning."
Back, back a .long time ago of course being pro-israel was a Left position. There were, IIRC, quite a few Tories who were pro-Arab, and hence Pro the Palestinians.
That's right. Now pro-Israel is NOT a left position and the Jewish vote for Labour has declined dramatically. I guess there must be some causation there.
Jewish people mainly vote Tory now, I believe - something which did not start with Jeremy Corbyn. Ed Miliband had a problem in this area despite being Jewish himself.
The current issue with anti-semitism on the left didn't start with Corbyn.
A particular red flag in the Jewish community was an aggressive campaign waged by some in the Labour party to eliminate the subsidy for security guards, provided by the government, for synagogues, Jewish schools and Jewish graveyards.
The problem was, apparently, that the money was "divisive" and prosecutions of those caught were "excessive" and not "balanced against community needs"
Man City 2.16 Liverpool 2.66 Man Utd 16 Chelsea 17
(Spurs and Arsenal not yet listed)
So despite Liverpool losing just two games in two seasons and Man City being 23 points behind this season, Man City are favourites!
Maybe reflects fact Man City expected to spend more this summer, though that may depend on CAS. CAS could go either way so seems unpredictable.
Or perhaps punters are looking at the record of the 2 clubs over the past 5 seasons rather than 1.
Is Vincent Kompany coming back and everyone else getting made a few years younger, then?
Have to say I am surprised Man City are favourites for next year. It's not crazy to imagine them winning it, of course, but right now Liverpool are very significantly superior - they've just won the title with more ganes to spare than anyone else in history, and have lost two Premiership matches in two years.
Man City have the resources to get people in, and might not have European football to distract them. But they don't just need to improve, they need to improve a LOT and hope Liverpool have a dip.
People were saying exactly the same about City two years ago when they were breaking all the records. Nobody could see them being beaten ever again. They went on to win all 4 domestic trophies the next year.
Liverpool have one title and won it very comfortably. I really don't see there is much difference between the 2 but all the hype is currently about Liverpool.
Guardiola's a chequebook manager.
His net spend at City is circa £431 million.
In a similar time frame Klopp's net spend is less than £70 million.
Just remember Guardiola's spent more on full backs than Klopp has on his defence.
We weren't discussing the price of team we were discussing the quality and which one is likely to win the PL next season.
If you believe Pep is just a cheque book manager then I would respectfully suggest you know bugger all about football
I think there's a language problem, namely that antisemitism is not understood to be a subcategory of racism but something separate. So you can happily be antisemitic and anti-racist at the same time.
There is more than a grain of truth in this. Antisemitism stands apart in certain ways. It's to do with skin colour (Jews are white) and with the lack of perceived oppression. Also the complex matter of Israel.
For some "anti-racists" on the Left, Israel is an obsession and this leads them into antisemitism. By contrast for some white supremacist types on the Right, Israel is also an obsession but is close to a love object.
So you have anti-racists on the Left being racist because they hate Israel and hardcore racists on the Right loving Israel because they are racists.
But WHY do lefties get so obsessed by Israel? It’s a small country quite a long way away. It is fairly pivotal in Middle East politics, but not in ours.
So, why? One reason might be that it is inhabited by Jews. Therefore the leftwing obsession with Israel is actually an obsession with Jews. Look at Ken Livingstone for an example.
That suggests anti-Semitism is the root, not a mere by-product.
Same goes for right wing Israel obsessives, too, but these days they are smaller in number.
Not to say that's never the case but I think on the Left it usually works as I described it. These people are steeped in an anti American imperialism mindset and Israel (to them) looks like an enduring and unacceptable bastion of it. It looks like a racist state where white people are oppressing brown ones and the oppressors are backed heavily by the Great Satan, the US.
Yes, anti-Americanism is also a factor, for sure.
But I have heard too much anti-Semitism, from supposed left wing people, expressed as a dislike of Jews per se (as running the world, being so deviously rich, exploiting non Jews) to believe plain racism is not a factor.
Distressingly, this mental virus afflicted a close friend of mine.
He was Labour, quite lefty but sane, until Corbyn got elected, then he was.... radicalised. Very odd. Part of the radicalisation was anti-Semitism, suddenly he was obsessed with the Jews and their terrible doings, Israel was often mentioned but it was not central. The main thing was THE JEWS.
It was so bad - boring as well as ugly - he was shunned, and his own brother disowned him.
He now seems to have recovered, I am happy to say, because basically he's a nice, funny man. But it was quite a spectacle.
This is the sort of visceral antisemitism we know has nothing to do with Israel since it has existed since forever. The sort that sees Jews as venal exploiters and parasites, as ultimately less than human. I view this as a mental illness on a par with white supremacy. I don't believe it is especially prevalent on the left but the left should be impeccable on anti-racism - so it must be zero tolerance for this or anything that smells remotely like it.
"The rise of coercive progressivism Stephen Daisley
What has followed the killing of George Floyd did not begin with the death of a man under the knee of a police officer. The rioting and the statue-toppling, the shunnings and the firings, the institutional genuflections and the gleeful marching through newly conquered territory are the fruits of ideas and impulses long in germination. Critics interpret these events as the work of either a political movement or a new religion, but it is more accurate to say that it is both. A secular millenarianism is trying to tear down the liberal order and erect in its place a new order that we might call coercive progressivism. It is an ideological project to enforce a progressive moral code through law, social convention and brute force, but the morality itself emerges from and satisfies a post-Christian search for meaning."
'But where Christianity offers salvation, sin is eternal in this religion and the hope of deliverance absent. There is only the cross, no resurrection.'
LOL. What will their reaction be, when it finally dawns on them that Gove and Cummings have been planning this for years, and the radical policy agenda is coming down the line like a steam train heading straight for Whitehall?
One one level, G+C have been planning the power-grab for years.
But based on their record together at Education, we can expect pretty good identification of things that don't work well, fairly poor diagnosis of the underlying causes and an utter omnishambles of actually making things better.
Back, back a .long time ago of course being pro-israel was a Left position. There were, IIRC, quite a few Tories who were pro-Arab, and hence Pro the Palestinians.
That's right. Now pro-Israel is NOT a left position and the Jewish vote for Labour has declined dramatically. I guess there must be some causation there.
Jewish people mainly vote Tory now, I believe - something which did not start with Jeremy Corbyn. Ed Miliband had a problem in this area despite being Jewish himself.
The current issue with anti-semitism on the left didn't start with Corbyn.
A particular red flag in the Jewish community was an aggressive campaign waged by some in the Labour party to eliminate the subsidy for security guards, provided by the government, for synagogues, Jewish schools and Jewish graveyards.
The problem was, apparently, that the money was "divisive" and prosecutions of those caught were "excessive" and not "balanced against community needs"
OK. But my post to which are replying is not about antisemitism on the Left but about (i) the Left no longer being pro Israel and (ii) the decline in the Jewish vote for Labour - and postulating a degree of causation. So don't take this in a "down your throat" kind of way (since I don't mean it like that) but what you have done here is exactly what I was saying there is such a danger of. You have conflated "anti-Israel" with "antisemitism" and what is more - and this is key - you have done so on autopilot.
LOL. What will their reaction be, when it finally dawns on them that Gove and Cummings have been planning this for years, and the radical policy agenda is coming down the line like a steam train heading straight for Whitehall?
One one level, G+C have been planning the power-grab for years.
But based on their record together at Education, we can expect pretty good identification of things that don't work well, fairly poor diagnosis of the underlying causes and an utter omnishambles of actually making things better.
But it will never, ever be their fault.
Based on their record at education in the minds of teachers and civil servants, or in the minds of parents, pupils and the independent PISA rankings?
"The rise of coercive progressivism Stephen Daisley
What has followed the killing of George Floyd did not begin with the death of a man under the knee of a police officer. The rioting and the statue-toppling, the shunnings and the firings, the institutional genuflections and the gleeful marching through newly conquered territory are the fruits of ideas and impulses long in germination. Critics interpret these events as the work of either a political movement or a new religion, but it is more accurate to say that it is both. A secular millenarianism is trying to tear down the liberal order and erect in its place a new order that we might call coercive progressivism. It is an ideological project to enforce a progressive moral code through law, social convention and brute force, but the morality itself emerges from and satisfies a post-Christian search for meaning."
'But where Christianity offers salvation, sin is eternal in this religion and the hope of deliverance absent. There is only the cross, no resurrection.'
That's a brilliant piece, and yes, quite depressing.
It also contains this amazing revelation: miracles and baptisms are taking place at the site where George Floyd died
LOL. What will their reaction be, when it finally dawns on them that Gove and Cummings have been planning this for years, and the radical policy agenda is coming down the line like a steam train heading straight for Whitehall?
One one level, G+C have been planning the power-grab for years.
But based on their record together at Education, we can expect pretty good identification of things that don't work well, fairly poor diagnosis of the underlying causes and an utter omnishambles of actually making things better.
But it will never, ever be their fault.
They can blame the civil service for poor implementation though. Hence more changes required.
Man City 2.16 Liverpool 2.66 Man Utd 16 Chelsea 17
(Spurs and Arsenal not yet listed)
So despite Liverpool losing just two games in two seasons and Man City being 23 points behind this season, Man City are favourites!
Maybe reflects fact Man City expected to spend more this summer, though that may depend on CAS. CAS could go either way so seems unpredictable.
Or perhaps punters are looking at the record of the 2 clubs over the past 5 seasons rather than 1.
Is Vincent Kompany coming back and everyone else getting made a few years younger, then?
Have to say I am surprised Man City are favourites for next year. It's not crazy to imagine them winning it, of course, but right now Liverpool are very significantly superior - they've just won the title with more ganes to spare than anyone else in history, and have lost two Premiership matches in two years.
Man City have the resources to get people in, and might not have European football to distract them. But they don't just need to improve, they need to improve a LOT and hope Liverpool have a dip.
People were saying exactly the same about City two years ago when they were breaking all the records. Nobody could see them being beaten ever again. They went on to win all 4 domestic trophies the next year.
Liverpool have one title and won it very comfortably. I really don't see there is much difference between the 2 but all the hype is currently about Liverpool.
Guardiola's a chequebook manager.
His net spend at City is circa £431 million.
In a similar time frame Klopp's net spend is less than £70 million.
Just remember Guardiola's spent more on full backs than Klopp has on his defence.
We weren't discussing the price of team we were discussing the quality and which one is likely to win the PL next season.
If you believe Pep is just a cheque book manager then I would respectfully suggest you know bugger all about football
If Guardiola wants to be spoken in the same category as Klopp then he should go manage Arsenal or Everton and turn them into World, European, and English champions within five years on a net spend of less than £100 million.
"The rise of coercive progressivism Stephen Daisley
What has followed the killing of George Floyd did not begin with the death of a man under the knee of a police officer. The rioting and the statue-toppling, the shunnings and the firings, the institutional genuflections and the gleeful marching through newly conquered territory are the fruits of ideas and impulses long in germination. Critics interpret these events as the work of either a political movement or a new religion, but it is more accurate to say that it is both. A secular millenarianism is trying to tear down the liberal order and erect in its place a new order that we might call coercive progressivism. It is an ideological project to enforce a progressive moral code through law, social convention and brute force, but the morality itself emerges from and satisfies a post-Christian search for meaning."
'But where Christianity offers salvation, sin is eternal in this religion and the hope of deliverance absent. There is only the cross, no resurrection.'
What a load of pseudo-intellectual masturbation. If people put half as much thought into what has prompted Black Lives Matter and how to rid the world of the kind of prejudice that disfigures and limits people's life chances as they do into coming up with reasons why actually we can continue to ignore it then perhaps we'd make some progress. There are none so blind as will not see.
"The rise of coercive progressivism Stephen Daisley
What has followed the killing of George Floyd did not begin with the death of a man under the knee of a police officer. The rioting and the statue-toppling, the shunnings and the firings, the institutional genuflections and the gleeful marching through newly conquered territory are the fruits of ideas and impulses long in germination. Critics interpret these events as the work of either a political movement or a new religion, but it is more accurate to say that it is both. A secular millenarianism is trying to tear down the liberal order and erect in its place a new order that we might call coercive progressivism. It is an ideological project to enforce a progressive moral code through law, social convention and brute force, but the morality itself emerges from and satisfies a post-Christian search for meaning."
'But where Christianity offers salvation, sin is eternal in this religion and the hope of deliverance absent. There is only the cross, no resurrection.'
What a load of pseudo-intellectual masturbation. If people put half as much thought into what has prompted Black Lives Matter and how to rid the world of the kind of prejudice that disfigures and limits people's life chances as they do into coming up with reasons why actually we can continue to ignore it then perhaps we'd make some progress. There are none so blind as will not see.
It does evade the underlying reasons for the problems, but it also fails to notice, or deliberately ignores, that the right could equally be described as being seized by its own abrasive and sometimes coercive movement of identity at the moment.
"The rise of coercive progressivism Stephen Daisley
What has followed the killing of George Floyd did not begin with the death of a man under the knee of a police officer. The rioting and the statue-toppling, the shunnings and the firings, the institutional genuflections and the gleeful marching through newly conquered territory are the fruits of ideas and impulses long in germination. Critics interpret these events as the work of either a political movement or a new religion, but it is more accurate to say that it is both. A secular millenarianism is trying to tear down the liberal order and erect in its place a new order that we might call coercive progressivism. It is an ideological project to enforce a progressive moral code through law, social convention and brute force, but the morality itself emerges from and satisfies a post-Christian search for meaning."
Back, back a .long time ago of course being pro-israel was a Left position. There were, IIRC, quite a few Tories who were pro-Arab, and hence Pro the Palestinians.
That's right. Now pro-Israel is NOT a left position and the Jewish vote for Labour has declined dramatically. I guess there must be some causation there.
Jewish people mainly vote Tory now, I believe - something which did not start with Jeremy Corbyn. Ed Miliband had a problem in this area despite being Jewish himself.
The current issue with anti-semitism on the left didn't start with Corbyn.
A particular red flag in the Jewish community was an aggressive campaign waged by some in the Labour party to eliminate the subsidy for security guards, provided by the government, for synagogues, Jewish schools and Jewish graveyards.
The problem was, apparently, that the money was "divisive" and prosecutions of those caught were "excessive" and not "balanced against community needs"
OK. But my post to which are replying is not about antisemitism on the Left but about (i) the Left no longer being pro Israel and (ii) the decline in the Jewish vote for Labour - and postulating a degree of causation. So don't take this in a "down your throat" kind of way (since I don't mean it like that) but what you have done here is exactly what I was saying there is such a danger of. You have conflated "anti-Israel" with "antisemitism" and what is more - and this is key - you have done so on autopilot.
You were talking about why Jewish people stopped voting Labour. One of the reasons was the above.
LOL. What will their reaction be, when it finally dawns on them that Gove and Cummings have been planning this for years, and the radical policy agenda is coming down the line like a steam train heading straight for Whitehall?
One one level, G+C have been planning the power-grab for years.
But based on their record together at Education, we can expect pretty good identification of things that don't work well, fairly poor diagnosis of the underlying causes and an utter omnishambles of actually making things better.
But it will never, ever be their fault.
They can blame the civil service for poor implementation though. Hence more changes required.
That's the genius of the plan....
The new Boris & Cummings cock-up might be spaffing half a billion quid on the wrong sort of satellites, according to the space boffins. The issue seems to be Oneweb makes satellites for internet services (hence the name, I suppose) and not for satnavs.
The new Boris & Cummings cock-up might be spaffing half a billion quid on the wrong sort of satellites, according to the space boffins. The issue seems to be Oneweb makes satellites for internet services (hence the name, I suppose) and not for satnavs.
Estimations of a 40% turnout for round II of French municipal elections taking place today
Voting hours closed at 6pm in majority of places with Paris, Marseille, Bordeaux, Nantes, Toulouse, Lille, Cannes, Montpellier, Nice and Grenoble voting until 8 pm
So we are supposed to be building - the era of the major capital project is upon us - and from where I sit in lowland East London, the future is flats, flats and more flats.
I'm thinking about all these flats and all the people in them, whether owners or renters, and thinking how well they will get to know their new accommodation if we have to lockdown once again.
Perhaps in the not-too-distant the notion of living in a little box flat in a huge clock with no external space to call your own will go the same way as the idea of travelling for 4 hours on trains and tubes to go to and from an office.
I can see the attraction of rural life and life well away from the capital.
Former Socialist minister Ericka Bareigts wins in Saint-Denis (147k inhabitants) holding it for the Left againt the regional president Didier Robert. She polled 58.74%
Left wing MP Huguette Bello (who sits in the Gauche démocrate et républicaine group at the National Assembly) re-takes Saint Paul (103k inhabitants) ousting the Les Republicains incumbent She polled around 60%.
LOL. What will their reaction be, when it finally dawns on them that Gove and Cummings have been planning this for years, and the radical policy agenda is coming down the line like a steam train heading straight for Whitehall?
One one level, G+C have been planning the power-grab for years.
But based on their record together at Education, we can expect pretty good identification of things that don't work well, fairly poor diagnosis of the underlying causes and an utter omnishambles of actually making things better.
But it will never, ever be their fault.
Based on their record at education in the minds of teachers and civil servants, or in the minds of parents, pupils and the independent PISA rankings?
OK, specific example.
This morning, there was conversation here lamenting the way that all teenagers a forced into an academic curriculum for too long, not allowing them to develop useful vocational skills.
That happened because of changes to school accountability in the Gove years. Schools are under huge pressure to get as many pupils as possible through the "EBacc", which needs 7 or 8 GCSE slots. They also made each GCSE bigger, so 8 GCSEs is pretty much a full timetable. So it doesn't matter if your kid has a talent for design, or food, or anything else vocational; schools pretty much can't offer it any more.
Now some of this came from a sensible place. Before 2010, some schools had started to take the mickey, using vocational courses as an easy way to clock up GCSE-equivalent passes. But the solution created a whole lot of other problems.
More generally, some free schools and academies are great- but others have been disasters (look up Perry Beeches Trust).
The simplest explanation is that G+C are better at destruction than creation because their backgrounds don't encourage them to think more than two steps ahead.
"The rise of coercive progressivism Stephen Daisley
What has followed the killing of George Floyd did not begin with the death of a man under the knee of a police officer. The rioting and the statue-toppling, the shunnings and the firings, the institutional genuflections and the gleeful marching through newly conquered territory are the fruits of ideas and impulses long in germination. Critics interpret these events as the work of either a political movement or a new religion, but it is more accurate to say that it is both. A secular millenarianism is trying to tear down the liberal order and erect in its place a new order that we might call coercive progressivism. It is an ideological project to enforce a progressive moral code through law, social convention and brute force, but the morality itself emerges from and satisfies a post-Christian search for meaning."
'But where Christianity offers salvation, sin is eternal in this religion and the hope of deliverance absent. There is only the cross, no resurrection.'
What a load of pseudo-intellectual masturbation. If people put half as much thought into what has prompted Black Lives Matter and how to rid the world of the kind of prejudice that disfigures and limits people's life chances as they do into coming up with reasons why actually we can continue to ignore it then perhaps we'd make some progress. There are none so blind as will not see.
Yep. It's a dud. When it comes to the issue of anti-black racism the effort which goes into deflecting and obscuring and lurid extrapolation is quite something. It's as if there is an aversion to saying what is truly on the mind - Blacks are hardly discriminated against at all. It's one big whinge. They need to shape up and stop playing the victim card - and so instead we get the invention of a whole new imaginary monolithic monster (!) called the Woke which seeks to take away all that we hold dear and thus must be fought at all costs (a fight which conveniently requires much focus and means doing sweet FA about racism).
Sedwill's position was untenable when it was discovered he was trying to agree a two-year Brexit extension with Brussels - whilst Boris was in hospital with Covid.
Cummins discovered this - and closed it down. Now we leave on 31st December 2020.
The peeved reaction was the release of the long known about story of Cummins' trip to Durham....
If this is true then Sedwill is a snake and deserves the boot.
People "on the right", yes. And, as you say it is mostly just reactionary to the left's obsession.
Phew, so it's still the left's faults reely. All's right with the world.
No, unlike you I don't think anyone is at fault for being pro-Israel. Merely explaining that right-wing pro-Israel =/= white supremacist as the jew-haters on the left would like to claim.
Man City 2.16 Liverpool 2.66 Man Utd 16 Chelsea 17
(Spurs and Arsenal not yet listed)
So despite Liverpool losing just two games in two seasons and Man City being 23 points behind this season, Man City are favourites!
Maybe reflects fact Man City expected to spend more this summer, though that may depend on CAS. CAS could go either way so seems unpredictable.
Or perhaps punters are looking at the record of the 2 clubs over the past 5 seasons rather than 1.
Is Vincent Kompany coming back and everyone else getting made a few years younger, then?
Have to say I am surprised Man City are favourites for next year. It's not crazy to imagine them winning it, of course, but right now Liverpool are very significantly superior - they've just won the title with more ganes to spare than anyone else in history, and have lost two Premiership matches in two years.
Man City have the resources to get people in, and might not have European football to distract them. But they don't just need to improve, they need to improve a LOT and hope Liverpool have a dip.
People were saying exactly the same about City two years ago when they were breaking all the records. Nobody could see them being beaten ever again. They went on to win all 4 domestic trophies the next year.
Liverpool have one title and won it very comfortably. I really don't see there is much difference between the 2 but all the hype is currently about Liverpool.
Guardiola's a chequebook manager.
His net spend at City is circa £431 million.
In a similar time frame Klopp's net spend is less than £70 million.
Just remember Guardiola's spent more on full backs than Klopp has on his defence.
We weren't discussing the price of team we were discussing the quality and which one is likely to win the PL next season.
If you believe Pep is just a cheque book manager then I would respectfully suggest you know bugger all about football
If Guardiola wants to be spoken in the same category as Klopp then he should go manage Arsenal or Everton and turn them into World, European, and English champions within five years on a net spend of less than £100 million.
Can't both be great coaches? They were last season when the roles were reversed
Guardiola did coach a team to success at a low level, by the way, reinventing their style of play as he did so. So it isn't fair to call him a chequebook manager.
Also Liverpool were quite fortunate to be able to sell Coutinho for the amount they did, but there is no doubt Klopp is a world class coach and Liverpool have been very astute in the transfer market. The previous clubs of the players that have walked the League and won the CL is amazing.
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Pedant wise it should be supremacy.
https://twitter.com/DrMJoyner/status/1277238866806800384
Website with details here:
https://www.uscovidplasma.org/
Cost per treatment apparently below $1k.
Genuinely good luck to him, his best chance of holding the government to account is to present a credible alternative, as TB did 25 years ago.
Its more than 1 %!
Let's not start throwing words like fascist about with regard to current Conservative members, but I think we can certainly use terms like authoritarian and xenophobic.
Recently Terry Dicks died, and his passing has not gone unnoticed on this site. I understand it is bad form to speak ill of the departed, but at least they can't litigate. Terry Dicks fitted the frame of xenophobe and authoritarian quite comfortably. He was also a former Conservative Party member and MP.
https://www.arabianbusiness.com/healthcare/448783-covid-19-uae-treats-over-2000-patients-with-faster-stem-cell-treatment
Fingers crossed that, if we see a second wave this winter, there might be generally available treatments, at least in the most developed countries.
Many people who are not racists suffer from confirmation bias, whether on the left or on the right. Some of those will therefore repeat myths about Israel without initially seeing a connection to anti-Semitism, just as Maxine Peake did. Some will refuse to see that link, even when it's pointed out to them, because they are used to the right crying wolf on many issues.
Where there is some hope right now is that the swift action against anti-Semitism has happened in the same week as Labour has called for sanctions over the issue of annexation of territory in the West Bank. Owen Jones, for example, has praised the latter. Maybe it will help some people understand what is and is not legitimate criticism of Israel.
I suspect most people who are very left wing are sorry Corbyn never became PM and like him more than Starmer. But a lot of them accept that ship has sailed, still want a Labour Government, and in many cases realise that the party probably needs to reach out to the centre more than it did under their man.
Liverpool should be favourites, although backing both horses at this point is probably the sensible strategy and pays more than a savings account.
by Boris from inch perfect assists from both Cummings and Jenrick.
Though I appreciate that's not a view you would pick up much from the media.
I do wonder if in fact the underlying quality of both sides is about the same. If Man City now spend more and aren't in the CL then they may well be justified favourites.
Owen Jones is imo pretty good on the whole with this subject. Guilty of cutting Corbyn too much slack on occasions but he has usually managed my 1/2/3.
I also think that, of that population, they are highly likely to be very involved with "the ludicrous Kremlinology of it all, engaging with po-faced, student union nonsense in the Jacobin, the Canary, Novara Media and so on".
So, yeah, more than 1 %.
But I have heard too much anti-Semitism, from supposed left wing people, expressed as a dislike of Jews per se (as running the world, being so deviously rich, exploiting non Jews) to believe plain racism is not a factor.
Distressingly, this mental virus afflicted a close friend of mine.
He was Labour, quite lefty but sane, until Corbyn got elected, then he was.... radicalised. Very odd. Part of the radicalisation was anti-Semitism, suddenly he was obsessed with the Jews and their terrible doings, Israel was often mentioned but it was not central. The main thing was THE JEWS.
It was so bad - boring as well as ugly - he was shunned, and his own brother disowned him.
He now seems to have recovered, I am happy to say, because basically he's a nice, funny man. But it was quite a spectacle.
Have to say I am surprised Man City are favourites for next year. It's not crazy to imagine them winning it, of course, but right now Liverpool are very significantly superior - they've just won the title with more ganes to spare than anyone else in history, and have lost two Premiership matches in two years.
Man City have the resources to get people in, and might not have European football to distract them. But they don't just need to improve, they need to improve a LOT and hope Liverpool have a dip.
https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1277266449833263105
https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1277263814552100866?s=20
If you were right, these sort of fringe media sites would have a readership/viewership in the millions in the UK, which they just don't.
Inside a UCSF-led quest to exploit the coronavirus' weak spots
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/inside-a-ucsf-led-quest-to-exploit-the-coronavirus-weak-spots/
... Looking closer and performing more tests, the scientists began to get excited because the virus was doing something unexpected.
Normally, the way a virus spreads itself is by turning an infected cell into a virus factory. The cell fills with virus copies like a water balloon, finally bursting and releasing the virus particles. But the filopodia seemed to show that the virus has devised an additional method for promoting infection: After copying itself within the host cell — but before the cell bursts — the virus exits through filopodia that tunnel out from the infected cell and punch a hole in a nearby uninfected cell, allowing the virus to swim from one cell to another.
Similar filopodia have been detected in other viruses, like smallpox, but Krogan said they’ve never been seen to this extent. Tests and electron microscope photos showed that these filopodia were packed with copies of the coronavirus as well as Casein Kinase II. The photos — captured by Elizabeth Fischer, chief of the microscopy unit at Rocky Mountain Laboratories, and scientists at the University of Freiburg — revealed that the virus was “budding” out from the filopodia, and, incredibly, some of the filopodia could even branch like trees, allowing a single strand to punch holes in two cells at once.
“It’s so biologically revealing,” Krogan said of the photos, calling them “the most fascinating and awful thing I’ve ever seen.”...
It's a feature not a bug. This is from 2016
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/11/black-lives-matters-movement-palestine-platform-israel-critics
There's no smoking gun, but she has consistently come across as intolerant on the issue. Maybe she can be excused this due to her own experiences. Nevertheless, considering the profile she has, we shouldn't blame those with similarly terrible experiences who speak out against her.
Jewish people mainly vote Tory now, I believe - something which did not start with Jeremy Corbyn. Ed Miliband had a problem in this area despite being Jewish himself.
People were saying exactly the same about City two years ago when they were breaking all the records. Nobody could see them being beaten ever again. They went on to win all 4 domestic trophies the next year.
Liverpool have one title and won it very comfortably. I really don't see there is much difference between the 2 but all the hype is currently about Liverpool.
I therefore don't feel confident enough to express a forthright opinion. I merely observe that is is a very vicious battle
One conservative coalition senator, Jim Molan, walks out rather than joining colleagues in preventing discussion"
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jun/11/senators-unite-to-block-pauline-hansons-all-lives-matter-motion
His net spend at City is circa £431 million.
In a similar time frame Klopp's net spend is less than £70 million.
Just remember Guardiola's spent more on full backs than Klopp has on his defence.
Pillar 1 data, as before:
'Inflammatory', indeed. I'm not sure that word means what the Guardian thinks or wants it to mean.
Labour is going for a Blair flavour
Stephen Daisley
What has followed the killing of George Floyd did not begin with the death of a man under the knee of a police officer. The rioting and the statue-toppling, the shunnings and the firings, the institutional genuflections and the gleeful marching through newly conquered territory are the fruits of ideas and impulses long in germination. Critics interpret these events as the work of either a political movement or a new religion, but it is more accurate to say that it is both. A secular millenarianism is trying to tear down the liberal order and erect in its place a new order that we might call coercive progressivism. It is an ideological project to enforce a progressive moral code through law, social convention and brute force, but the morality itself emerges from and satisfies a post-Christian search for meaning."
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https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-rise-of-coercive-progressivism
A particular red flag in the Jewish community was an aggressive campaign waged by some in the Labour party to eliminate the subsidy for security guards, provided by the government, for synagogues, Jewish schools and Jewish graveyards.
The problem was, apparently, that the money was "divisive" and prosecutions of those caught were "excessive" and not "balanced against community needs"
If you believe Pep is just a cheque book manager then I would respectfully suggest you know bugger all about football
Black pawns being sent into battle
'But where Christianity offers salvation, sin is eternal in this religion and the hope of deliverance absent. There is only the cross, no resurrection.'
But based on their record together at Education, we can expect pretty good identification of things that don't work well, fairly poor diagnosis of the underlying causes and an utter omnishambles of actually making things better.
But it will never, ever be their fault.
It also contains this amazing revelation: miracles and baptisms are taking place at the site where George Floyd died
https://www.christianpost.com/news/baptisms-miracles-taking-place-in-revival-at-site-where-george-floyd-died-christian-groups-says.html
I think the argument as to whether the WokeFrenzy is religious or not, has just been settled. It is a post-faith faith.
That's the genius of the plan....
There are none so blind as will not see.
London looks worrying. R=1.21. This is a not a small number effect. Cases average 20 a day without a concentration in one place.
20,000 new cases in India today. There was a time when we all thought India was going to escape this. Not so
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/
Should I post some critical race theory? I really think I should.
Coming soon ...
Voting hours closed at 6pm in majority of places with Paris, Marseille, Bordeaux, Nantes, Toulouse, Lille, Cannes, Montpellier, Nice and Grenoble voting until 8 pm
All's right with the world.
So we are supposed to be building - the era of the major capital project is upon us - and from where I sit in lowland East London, the future is flats, flats and more flats.
I'm thinking about all these flats and all the people in them, whether owners or renters, and thinking how well they will get to know their new accommodation if we have to lockdown once again.
Perhaps in the not-too-distant the notion of living in a little box flat in a huge clock with no external space to call your own will go the same way as the idea of travelling for 4 hours on trains and tubes to go to and from an office.
I can see the attraction of rural life and life well away from the capital.
Former Socialist minister Ericka Bareigts wins in Saint-Denis (147k inhabitants) holding it for the Left againt the regional president Didier Robert. She polled 58.74%
Left wing MP Huguette Bello (who sits in the Gauche démocrate et républicaine group at the National Assembly) re-takes Saint Paul (103k inhabitants) ousting the Les Republicains incumbent
She polled around 60%.
Not just BoZo, but the entire coterie, will crash.
This morning, there was conversation here lamenting the way that all teenagers a forced into an academic curriculum for too long, not allowing them to develop useful vocational skills.
That happened because of changes to school accountability in the Gove years. Schools are under huge pressure to get as many pupils as possible through the "EBacc", which needs 7 or 8 GCSE slots. They also made each GCSE bigger, so 8 GCSEs is pretty much a full timetable. So it doesn't matter if your kid has a talent for design, or food, or anything else vocational; schools pretty much can't offer it any more.
Now some of this came from a sensible place. Before 2010, some schools had started to take the mickey, using vocational courses as an easy way to clock up GCSE-equivalent passes. But the solution created a whole lot of other problems.
More generally, some free schools and academies are great- but others have been disasters (look up Perry Beeches Trust).
The simplest explanation is that G+C are better at destruction than creation because their backgrounds don't encourage them to think more than two steps ahead.
Guardiola did coach a team to success at a low level, by the way, reinventing their style of play as he did so. So it isn't fair to call him a chequebook manager.
https://www.goal.com/story/pepguardiola/index.html
Also Liverpool were quite fortunate to be able to sell Coutinho for the amount they did, but there is no doubt Klopp is a world class coach and Liverpool have been very astute in the transfer market. The previous clubs of the players that have walked the League and won the CL is amazing.