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  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,691
    First perhaps, although Biden may not achieve such a thing
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,706
    My modest bet on Trump's re-election last year is starting to look like a loser. I am delighted.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,302
    Neil Gorsuch for President.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,279
    However about 10% of voters still not voting for either Trump or Biden, if they all shift to Trump by polling day and he wins back a few from Biden it will be neck and neck again
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190
    Omnium said:

    First perhaps, although Biden may not achieve such a thing

    So who will be the President come January, Harris or Rice?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,281
    HYUFD said:

    However about 10% of voters still not voting for either Trump or Biden, if they all shift to Trump by polling day and he wins back a few from Biden it will be neck and neck again

    And if wishes were horses beggars would ride.

    I've been uncertain before, Hyufd, but the wheels seem to have come off the Donald. Biden is no great shakes but he looks a safe bet against The President. I've piled on now. I don't expect to be unloading.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,281
    HYUFD said:
    Doesn't that rather turn on what you mean by 'another ethnic group'?

    For many of my relatives this would suggest anyone from outside Essex.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    There's possibly a little bit of value in selling Donald Trump beneath 200 electoral college votes now.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    HYUFD said:
    I don't think that's a secret?

    Providing cases don't soar in the next 2 weeks I expect that to happen.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,302

    HYUFD said:
    Doesn't that rather turn on what you mean by 'another ethnic group'?

    For many of my relatives this would suggest anyone from outside Essex.
    I draw the line at Lancastrians.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190
    HYUFD said:

    However about 10% of voters still not voting for either Trump or Biden, if they all shift to Trump by polling day and he wins back a few from Biden it will be neck and neck again

    I bow to your impressive knowledge of the US Presidential race, but can you see that happening with Trump's stock so low?

    He needs something dramatic to stir the patriotic spirit. A very serious falling out with North Korea might be just the ticket. I wouldn't put it past him and his Fox News cronies either. For Trumps part, I am not sure he understands that actions have consequences, other than those which are advantageous to Trump.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,749
    HYUFD said:
    Confirming my opinion that Sturgeon and Drakesford are terrified of coming out of their stay at home mantra and creating untold future health and economic damage to Scotland and Wales
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    The poll of Red Wall voters is being trashed by some because of the messenger because it makes for uncomfortable reading !

    It’s no surprise voters are very wary of a US trade deal and would rather have a closer trade relationship with the rest of Europe.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,691

    Omnium said:

    First perhaps, although Biden may not achieve such a thing

    So who will be the President come January, Harris or Rice?
    I'd have it as 50% Trump, 45% Biden, and 5% someone else.

    But I really don't believe in the Biden number - he's just not going to be President.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994

    HYUFD said:
    Confirming my opinion that Sturgeon and Drakesford are terrified of coming out of their stay at home mantra and creating untold future health and economic damage to Scotland and Wales
    We'll all be holidaying in Norn Iron this year then.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,873

    HYUFD said:
    Doesn't that rather turn on what you mean by 'another ethnic group'?

    For many of my relatives this would suggest anyone from outside Essex.
    I draw the line at Lancastrians.
    It's good to have standards.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,428
    nico67 said:

    The poll of Red Wall voters is being trashed by some because of the messenger because it makes for uncomfortable reading !

    It’s no surprise voters are very wary of a US trade deal and would rather have a closer trade relationship with the rest of Europe.

    It doesn’t matter what they want, because they’re getting what @HYUFD says they want.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,302
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:
    Doesn't that rather turn on what you mean by 'another ethnic group'?

    For many of my relatives this would suggest anyone from outside Essex.
    I draw the line at Lancastrians.
    It's good to have standards.
    I do have standards, it's just that they are lower than everybody else's standards.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,798

    HYUFD said:
    Confirming my opinion that Sturgeon and Drakesford are terrified of coming out of their stay at home mantra and creating untold future health and economic damage to Scotland and Wales
    Yep, that's usually the Tories' job.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    HYUFD said:
    Confirming my opinion that Sturgeon and Drakesford are terrified of coming out of their stay at home mantra and creating untold future health and economic damage to Scotland and Wales
    Absolutely right Big G

    Expect something similar to be announced for England this week, start date around 4 July.

    Hotels, restaurants and cafes open.
    Venues (including pubs) may serve alcohol only with food, inside.
    Venues may serve alcohol without food, outside, probably with table service only.

    Pubs basically selling alcohol only/inside drinking only/going up the bar not allowed at this stage. Probably by 3 August.

    Scotland and Wales - you will be staying home!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,749

    HYUFD said:
    Confirming my opinion that Sturgeon and Drakesford are terrified of coming out of their stay at home mantra and creating untold future health and economic damage to Scotland and Wales
    We'll all be holidaying in Norn Iron this year then.
    Expect Boris will do the same for England

    However, Drakesford has stated he does not expect hotels and the leisure industry to open before September and at a stroke destroying thousands of jobs here in Wales and trashing holiday resorts such as Llandudno

    I am hearing many more stories of anger in Wales about Englands freedoms and it is only going to deepen unless Drakesford comes to his senses
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    edited June 2020
    This might not be a popular view on here, but I read this as both the UK and the EU wanting a deal. The mood music has changed. Both Boris and the EU Commission are waxing lyrical about it:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53048164

    If I were to guess I'd say that both sides have agreed to make police co-operation a non-issue (some evidence of that today) and the EU will compromise on fishing and the UK on level-playing field.

    A fudge will be agreed on supervisory governance.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,749
    edited June 2020
    nico67 said:

    The poll of Red Wall voters is being trashed by some because of the messenger because it makes for uncomfortable reading !

    It’s no surprise voters are very wary of a US trade deal and would rather have a closer trade relationship with the rest of Europe.

    I do not want a US trade deal but we are leaving the EU on the 31st December 2020 as confirmed by the EU today so time for give and take on both sides
  • FishingFishing Posts: 4,947
    edited June 2020
    Just a thought, but can one bet yet on the change in seats in the House in the 2022 midterms? People who think Biden will win might want to consider betting on a number of Democrat losses in the House, as happened in LBJ's, Carter's, Clinton's and Obama's first midterms.

    LBJ -47
    Carter -15
    Clinton -54
    Obama -63
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190

    HYUFD said:
    Confirming my opinion that Sturgeon and Drakesford are terrified of coming out of their stay at home mantra and creating untold future health and economic damage to Scotland and Wales
    Off topic.

    By this time next year we will see whether Johnson's throw of the dice or Welsh and Sottish caution was the way to go. I don't know which way it will go. If Wales and Scotland mitigate a second wave and England doesn't you may be eating your words.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,798
    Ave_it said:

    HYUFD said:
    Confirming my opinion that Sturgeon and Drakesford are terrified of coming out of their stay at home mantra and creating untold future health and economic damage to Scotland and Wales
    Absolutely right Big G

    Expect something similar to be announced for England this week, start date around 4 July.

    Hotels, restaurants and cafes open.
    Venues (including pubs) may serve alcohol only with food, inside.
    Venues may serve alcohol without food, outside, probably with table service only.

    Pubs basically selling alcohol only/inside drinking only/going up the bar not allowed at this stage. Probably by 3 August.

    Scotland and Wales - you will be staying home!
    Careful, you don't want to go off half cocked like you you did for all those previous 'plans'.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190

    HYUFD said:
    Confirming my opinion that Sturgeon and Drakesford are terrified of coming out of their stay at home mantra and creating untold future health and economic damage to Scotland and Wales
    Off topic.

    By this time next year we will see whether Johnson's throw of the dice or Welsh and Sottish caution was the way to go. I don't know which way it will go. If Wales and Scotland mitigate a second wave and England doesn't you may be eating your words.
    Scottish even!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,749

    HYUFD said:
    Confirming my opinion that Sturgeon and Drakesford are terrified of coming out of their stay at home mantra and creating untold future health and economic damage to Scotland and Wales
    Yep, that's usually the Tories' job.
    Sturgeon and Drakesford are excelling in it at present
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,428

    nico67 said:

    The poll of Red Wall voters is being trashed by some because of the messenger because it makes for uncomfortable reading !

    It’s no surprise voters are very wary of a US trade deal and would rather have a closer trade relationship with the rest of Europe.

    I do not want a US trade deal but we are leaving the EU on the 31st December 2020 as confirmed by the EU today so time for give and take on both sides
    We’ve already left the EU...
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    HYUFD said:
    Confirming my opinion that Sturgeon and Drakesford are terrified of coming out of their stay at home mantra and creating untold future health and economic damage to Scotland and Wales
    We'll all be holidaying in Norn Iron this year then.
    Expect Boris will do the same for England

    However, Drakesford has stated he does not expect hotels and the leisure industry to open before September and at a stroke destroying thousands of jobs here in Wales and trashing holiday resorts such as Llandudno

    I am hearing many more stories of anger in Wales about Englands freedoms and it is only going to deepen unless Drakesford comes to his senses
    Looks like Scotland will reopen on a similar basis as NI 3 July/England 4 July, on or around 15 July.

    So really its only Drakeford who is dragging his feet, which is astonishing considering how important tourism is to Wales.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,279
    edited June 2020
    Fishing said:

    Just a thought, but can one bet yet on the change in seats in the House in the 2022 midterms? People who think Biden will win might want to consider betting on a number of Democrat losses in the House, as happened in LBJ's, Carter's, Clinton's and Obama's first midterms.

    LBJ -47
    Carter -15
    Clinton -54
    Obama -63

    If Biden does win it will very likely be a GOP Congress again in 2022, if Trump wins again however the House will likely see an increased Democratic majority and the Senate will also likely go Democrat
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231

    HYUFD said:
    Confirming my opinion that Sturgeon and Drakesford are terrified of coming out of their stay at home mantra and creating untold future health and economic damage to Scotland and Wales
    We'll all be holidaying in Norn Iron this year then.
    I'd really like to explore Northern Ireland. I've never been. There was a trade show in Belfast later in the year I was looking at. :(
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,749

    HYUFD said:
    Confirming my opinion that Sturgeon and Drakesford are terrified of coming out of their stay at home mantra and creating untold future health and economic damage to Scotland and Wales
    Off topic.

    By this time next year we will see whether Johnson's throw of the dice or Welsh and Sottish caution was the way to go. I don't know which way it will go. If Wales and Scotland mitigate a second wave and England doesn't you may be eating your words.
    I have no doubt the pressure building up on Sturgeon and Drakesford, even from within their own countries, will result in them following England and Northern Ireland very quickly

    They just cannot get away with destroying their lucrative holiday and leisure industries while those in England and Northern Ireland take their business and flourish

    It is just idiotic
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,302
    Fishing said:

    Just a thought, but can one bet yet on the change in seats in the House in the 2022 midterms? People who think Biden will win might want to consider betting on a number of Democrat losses in the House, as happened in LBJ's, Carter's, Clinton's and Obama's first midterms.

    LBJ -47
    Carter -15
    Clinton -54
    Obama -63

    Don't think they'll put the markets up the 2022 House race until the 2020 House election has finished.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,279
    nico67 said:

    The poll of Red Wall voters is being trashed by some because of the messenger because it makes for uncomfortable reading !

    It’s no surprise voters are very wary of a US trade deal and would rather have a closer trade relationship with the rest of Europe.

    The poll told us absolutely nothing other than Red Wall voters do not want to burn all bridges with Europe and ideally want a trade deal.

    It asked nothing about the single market, keeping free movement, a Canada style trade deal or WTO terms which would have been relevant
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,687
    HYUFD said:
    Friday was Loving Day in the US (commemorating the US Supreme Court striking down miscegenation laws in the sixteen US States that still had them on the statute book). Incredible that those laws were still in place as recently as 1967. So a belated Happy Loving Day to any other PB Miscegenators.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,302
    What an utter [naughty word] this mutli tweet thread from this [another naughty word]

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1272595055979700224

    https://twitter.com/NomadicGiraffe/status/1270828658249302016
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231

    This might not be a popular view on here, but I read this as both the UK and the EU wanting a deal. The mood music has changed. Both Boris and the EU Commission are waxing lyrical about it:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53048164

    If I were to guess I'd say that both sides have agreed to make police co-operation a non-issue (some evidence of that today) and the EU will compromise on fishing and the UK on level-playing field.

    A fudge will be agreed on supervisory governance.

    The fact that they'd even expect their mits all over our territorial waters after leaving is impertinent. Even if they make zero demands on fishing, it is still not worth signing up to continuing EU regulation ad infinitum.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,749
    HYUFD said:

    nico67 said:

    The poll of Red Wall voters is being trashed by some because of the messenger because it makes for uncomfortable reading !

    It’s no surprise voters are very wary of a US trade deal and would rather have a closer trade relationship with the rest of Europe.

    The poll told us absolutely nothing other than Red Wall voters do not want to burn all bridges with Europe and ideally want a trade deal.

    It asked nothing about the single market, keeping free movement, a Canada style trade deal or WTO terms which would have been relevant
    To be honest the polls are irrelevant

    We have left and the EU confirmed today that we leave on the 31st December 2020
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    nico67 said:

    The poll of Red Wall voters is being trashed by some because of the messenger because it makes for uncomfortable reading !

    It’s no surprise voters are very wary of a US trade deal and would rather have a closer trade relationship with the rest of Europe.

    I do not want a US trade deal but we are leaving the EU on the 31st December 2020 as confirmed by the EU today so time for give and take on both sides
    No, we have left the EU. What we will be exiting is the single market, which we have remained in temporarily.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 4,947

    HYUFD said:
    Confirming my opinion that Sturgeon and Drakesford are terrified of coming out of their stay at home mantra and creating untold future health and economic damage to Scotland and Wales
    We'll all be holidaying in Norn Iron this year then.
    I'd really like to explore Northern Ireland. I've never been. There was a trade show in Belfast later in the year I was looking at. :(
    I spent a year working there on and off. Even when I went walking in beautiful sunny weather I always needed to take an umbrella or raincoat. The weather is always changing.

    There are some beautiful hills just outside Belfast.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    HYUFD said:

    nico67 said:

    The poll of Red Wall voters is being trashed by some because of the messenger because it makes for uncomfortable reading !

    It’s no surprise voters are very wary of a US trade deal and would rather have a closer trade relationship with the rest of Europe.

    The poll told us absolutely nothing other than Red Wall voters do not want to burn all bridges with Europe and ideally want a trade deal.

    It asked nothing about the single market, keeping free movement, a Canada style trade deal or WTO terms which would have been relevant
    I bet you no more than 5% of people could explain any of those options correctly.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,749
    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    The poll of Red Wall voters is being trashed by some because of the messenger because it makes for uncomfortable reading !

    It’s no surprise voters are very wary of a US trade deal and would rather have a closer trade relationship with the rest of Europe.

    I do not want a US trade deal but we are leaving the EU on the 31st December 2020 as confirmed by the EU today so time for give and take on both sides
    No, we have left the EU. What we will be exiting is the single market, which we have remained in temporarily.
    I understand that but a deal is there with a bit of give and take

    However, I do believe in time we will rejoin the single market
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,279
    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nico67 said:

    The poll of Red Wall voters is being trashed by some because of the messenger because it makes for uncomfortable reading !

    It’s no surprise voters are very wary of a US trade deal and would rather have a closer trade relationship with the rest of Europe.

    The poll told us absolutely nothing other than Red Wall voters do not want to burn all bridges with Europe and ideally want a trade deal.

    It asked nothing about the single market, keeping free movement, a Canada style trade deal or WTO terms which would have been relevant
    I bet you no more than 5% of people could explain any of those options correctly.
    They could answer a simple question like 'do you want to stay in the single market with full free movement from the EU or a trade deal with the EU that ends free movement instead?' Had that been asked I suspect the answer would have been different.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,664
    I wonder if the tactic now will be just to have Vallance and Whitty with Boris and no other scientists / medics with anyone else.

    ie Vallance and Whitty are the most senior and best performers who can be 100% trusted to get answers right and they'll be there to back up Boris who will announce any policy changes.

    On other days just have a Minister and keep it low key - don't risk anyone else causing any embarrassment.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,171
    Biden's biggest potential problem is the debates.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    HYUFD said:
    Confirming my opinion that Sturgeon and Drakesford are terrified of coming out of their stay at home mantra and creating untold future health and economic damage to Scotland and Wales
    Off topic.

    By this time next year we will see whether Johnson's throw of the dice or Welsh and Sottish caution was the way to go. I don't know which way it will go. If Wales and Scotland mitigate a second wave and England doesn't you may be eating your words.
    I have no doubt the pressure building up on Sturgeon and Drakesford, even from within their own countries, will result in them following England and Northern Ireland very quickly

    They just cannot get away with destroying their lucrative holiday and leisure industries while those in England and Northern Ireland take their business and flourish

    It is just idiotic
    I shall be very annoyed indeed with Drakeford if he keeps a lockdown so hard that I cannot visit Wales this summer for the first time in 24 years.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 4,947
    HYUFD said:

    Fishing said:

    Just a thought, but can one bet yet on the change in seats in the House in the 2022 midterms? People who think Biden will win might want to consider betting on a number of Democrat losses in the House, as happened in LBJ's, Carter's, Clinton's and Obama's first midterms.

    LBJ -47
    Carter -15
    Clinton -54
    Obama -63

    If Biden does win it will very likely be a GOP Congress again in 2022, if Trump wins again however the House will likely see an increased Democratic majority and the Senate will also likely go Democrat
    Very true in da House. Biden may be able to beat Trump, but he's no George W Bush, the last President to put on (a few) House Seats in his first midterm. Before that, you need to go back to Franklin Roosevelt in 1934, I think, and before that to Teddy Roosevelt more than a century ago.

    In the Senate, I'm not so convinced. Trump and George W Bush both won seats in their first midterms. But the Republicans are defending almost twice as many seats as the Dems so maybe.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,549
    Covid-19 and BLM are for Donald Trump, what Katrina was for George W. Bush, and what the Bonus Army was for Herbert Hoover: key events that demonstrated to millions who had voted FOR these presidents, that they had made the WRONG choice.

    In 1932 these folks lost faith in the "Great Engineer" and elected a man in a wheelchair. In 2008 they lost faith in "Compassionate Conservatism" and voted for a Black man. And in 2020 they've lost faith in "MAGA" and "The Art of the Deal" and will turn to Uncle Joe for all his faults.

    Note how the whole Putinist "Biden is Gaga" meme does NOT have traction, to put it mildly. Uncle Joe mis-speaking, etc. is NOT evidence that he's senile - it's proof that he's Joe Biden! In other words, he's ALWAYS been that way.

    Trump's problem after four long years, is that he too is the same guy he's always been. Except now his demerits are obvious, not just to his opponents, but to millions of his own supporters. Admittedly, most of these millions will continue giving him their votes. But NOT as many as in 2016.

    One last thought for the moment: note that right now in America, the easiest way for ANY institution to win favor with the general public, is by publicly DISAGREEING with Donald Trump.

    NASCAR is the most prominent example - just as Trumpsky is yet again wrapping himself in the Confederate Flag, NASCAR - which one welcomed him to it's races with one arms - has banned his favor banner.

    If that ain't a sea change, then no such thing as salt water!

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,302
    MikeL said:

    I wonder if the tactic now will be just to have Vallance and Whitty with Boris and no other scientists / medics with anyone else.

    ie Vallance and Whitty are the most senior and best performers who can be 100% trusted to get answers right and they'll be there to back up Boris who will announce any policy changes.

    On other days just have a Minister and keep it low key - don't risk anyone else causing any embarrassment.

    Both are on resignation watch.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,928

    Neil Gorsuch for President.

    I wonder if the USMCA agreement had any part of this.

    You see, at the very last moment ahead of the signing of USMCA (which replaced NAFTA), the Canadians demanded that the level playing field provisions of the treaty included protection of LBGT workers. Trump said "fine", because he wanted to announce that NAFTA had been replaced.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,749
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:
    Confirming my opinion that Sturgeon and Drakesford are terrified of coming out of their stay at home mantra and creating untold future health and economic damage to Scotland and Wales
    Off topic.

    By this time next year we will see whether Johnson's throw of the dice or Welsh and Sottish caution was the way to go. I don't know which way it will go. If Wales and Scotland mitigate a second wave and England doesn't you may be eating your words.
    I have no doubt the pressure building up on Sturgeon and Drakesford, even from within their own countries, will result in them following England and Northern Ireland very quickly

    They just cannot get away with destroying their lucrative holiday and leisure industries while those in England and Northern Ireland take their business and flourish

    It is just idiotic
    I shall be very annoyed indeed with Drakeford if he keeps a lockdown so hard that I cannot visit Wales this summer for the first time in 24 years.
    It is in place until september at present

    He is heading for open rebellion, especially in the north, as have far more in common with Liverpool, Manchester and Chester than Cardiff.

    He is and always has been a disaster for Wales
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,171
    BLM probably regards mixed-race marriages as problematic.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513

    HYUFD said:

    However about 10% of voters still not voting for either Trump or Biden, if they all shift to Trump by polling day and he wins back a few from Biden it will be neck and neck again

    I bow to your impressive knowledge of the US Presidential race, but can you see that happening with Trump's stock so low?

    He needs something dramatic to stir the patriotic spirit. A very serious falling out with North Korea might be just the ticket. I wouldn't put it past him and his Fox News cronies either. For Trumps part, I am not sure he understands that actions have consequences, other than those which are advantageous to Trump.
    Didn’t work so well for Truman...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,171
    "TREVOR PHILLIPS
    Culture warriors want control, not equality
    Whether it’s on race or gender, the extremists in our midst want to stop freedom of speech" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/culture-warriors-want-control-not-equality-56knrgklh
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,528
    Netflix pull blackface episode of It's Always Sunny. The point of that series is to hate the characters because they are all so awful, that episode is literally a piss take of the kind of people who think blackface is a reasonable thing to do.

    Who is the culture minister? I think it's time for a strongly worded letter to streaming companies saying that censorship is not on and all TV shows must be restored immediately.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    Andy_JS said:

    BLM probably regards mixed-race marriages as problematic.

    Would seem rather self-defeating for an anti-racist movement to be er ... racist?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,549
    Andy_JS said:

    BLM probably regards mixed-race marriages as problematic.

    TOTAL BULLSHIT. Your view of BLM reflects NOT views of millions of supporters world wide, but rather your own ideology.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480

    nico67 said:

    The poll of Red Wall voters is being trashed by some because of the messenger because it makes for uncomfortable reading !

    It’s no surprise voters are very wary of a US trade deal and would rather have a closer trade relationship with the rest of Europe.

    It doesn’t matter what they want, because they’re getting what @HYUFD says they want.
    Who ever heard of voters being ungrateful?
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,898

    HYUFD said:
    I don't think that's a secret?

    Providing cases don't soar in the next 2 weeks I expect that to happen.
    Improved Covid-19 website with extra graphs.
    https://verify-it-c19data.co.uk/
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,798
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:
    Confirming my opinion that Sturgeon and Drakesford are terrified of coming out of their stay at home mantra and creating untold future health and economic damage to Scotland and Wales
    Off topic.

    By this time next year we will see whether Johnson's throw of the dice or Welsh and Sottish caution was the way to go. I don't know which way it will go. If Wales and Scotland mitigate a second wave and England doesn't you may be eating your words.
    I have no doubt the pressure building up on Sturgeon and Drakesford, even from within their own countries, will result in them following England and Northern Ireland very quickly

    They just cannot get away with destroying their lucrative holiday and leisure industries while those in England and Northern Ireland take their business and flourish

    It is just idiotic
    I shall be very annoyed indeed with Drakeford if he keeps a lockdown so hard that I cannot visit Wales this summer for the first time in 24 years.
    Tell 'em you're Eadric, you'll be fine.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480
    Andy_JS said:

    BLM probably regards mixed-race marriages as problematic.

    What makes you think that? Or is it just projection?
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Drakeford is a banned word x. 2.

    Am wondering if I can find a good parking spot, on the English side of Offa's Dyke for a ridge walk over the border.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    isam said:
    The monkey does the white chocolate coco pops too. Is that cultural appropriation or slave labour?


  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    isam said:
    What is she doing these days? Does anyone know?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:
    Confirming my opinion that Sturgeon and Drakesford are terrified of coming out of their stay at home mantra and creating untold future health and economic damage to Scotland and Wales
    Off topic.

    By this time next year we will see whether Johnson's throw of the dice or Welsh and Sottish caution was the way to go. I don't know which way it will go. If Wales and Scotland mitigate a second wave and England doesn't you may be eating your words.
    I have no doubt the pressure building up on Sturgeon and Drakesford, even from within their own countries, will result in them following England and Northern Ireland very quickly

    They just cannot get away with destroying their lucrative holiday and leisure industries while those in England and Northern Ireland take their business and flourish

    It is just idiotic
    I shall be very annoyed indeed with Drakeford if he keeps a lockdown so hard that I cannot visit Wales this summer for the first time in 24 years.
    Tell 'em you're Eadric, you'll be fine.
    Unfortunately - or perhaps fortunately - as I am always sober and treat women with respect, they would never believe me.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480
    Andy_JS said:

    Biden's biggest potential problem is the debates.

    Nah, Trump rambles and riffs just as much. Biden came through the Primary debates OK. A bit of soft spoken folksy stuff goes down well even if it is meaningless, indeed because it is meaningless.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    isam said:
    What is she doing these days? Does anyone know?
    Time?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,320
    ydoethur said:

    isam said:
    What is she doing these days? Does anyone know?
    Porridge.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    isam said:
    What is she doing these days? Does anyone know?
    Time?
    I thought she’d served that?

    Horatio Bottomley was surely the best MP to serve time. He also had the best line on it. One day a distinguished politician who had known him well was visiting the prison and found him sewing mailbags. ‘Ah, Horatio. Sewing, I see.’ ‘No,’ replied Bottomley. ‘Reaping.’
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    ydoethur said:

    isam said:
    What is she doing these days? Does anyone know?
    Getting Kellogg's twitter handle wrong!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,302
    ydoethur said:

    isam said:
    What is she doing these days? Does anyone know?
    Pre Covid-19 she was working on her book and working to help the women inside she met.

  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    isam said:
    What is she doing these days? Does anyone know?
    Time?
    I thought she’d served that?

    Horatio Bottomley was surely the best MP to serve time. He also had the best line on it. One day a distinguished politician who had known him well was visiting the prison and found him sewing mailbags. ‘Ah, Horatio. Sewing, I see.’ ‘No,’ replied Bottomley. ‘Reaping.’
    Ha!

    I regard Onasanya as the English Mandela, and I shall rename all the rooms in my house in her honour.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    isam said:
    Wait until she discovers Tony the Tiger . . .
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    isam said:
    What is she doing these days? Does anyone know?
    Time?
    I thought she’d served that?

    Horatio Bottomley was surely the best MP to serve time. He also had the best line on it. One day a distinguished politician who had known him well was visiting the prison and found him sewing mailbags. ‘Ah, Horatio. Sewing, I see.’ ‘No,’ replied Bottomley. ‘Reaping.’
    Ha!

    I regard Onasanya as the English Mandela, and I shall rename all the rooms in my house in her honour.
    She can’t be an English Mandela. She was inside for perjury, not for Robben.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947
    Free membership of the TrumpToast club is suspended.

    Costs a fiver now.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,171
    edited June 2020
    Quote from Trevor Phillips' latest article in The Times:

    "Most of the mainstream media no longer even pretends to be even-handed. The BBC apparently believes that Rowling’s view that biological sex exists is “controversial”; it is, but only in the sense that a noisy minority “controversially” believes we are ruled by lizard aliens. Astonishingly, this weekend the BBC allowed, without challenge, a Black Lives Matter (BLM) representative to equate Adolf Hitler with Winston Churchill — the very man who brought thousands of West Indians to volunteer to fight and die in the battle against fascism. It really isn’t an accident that so many of us in the Caribbean are called Winston."
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    edited June 2020

    ydoethur said:

    isam said:
    What is she doing these days? Does anyone know?
    Pre Covid-19 she was working on her book and working to help the women inside she met.

    That last part is confusing. Do you mean ‘the women she met inside,’ or ‘the women inside that she has met?’ Or some combination thereof?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    isam said:
    What is she doing these days? Does anyone know?
    Time?
    I thought she’d served that?

    Horatio Bottomley was surely the best MP to serve time. He also had the best line on it. One day a distinguished politician who had known him well was visiting the prison and found him sewing mailbags. ‘Ah, Horatio. Sewing, I see.’ ‘No,’ replied Bottomley. ‘Reaping.’
    Ha!

    I regard Onasanya as the English Mandela, and I shall rename all the rooms in my house in her honour.
    She can’t be an English Mandela. She was inside for perjury, not for Robben.
    That pun gets my Seal of approval.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,302
    I’ll not have a bad word said against Fiona Onasanya.

    She was responsible for ending Stewart Jackson’s parliamentary career, something we should be thankful.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Andy_JS said:

    BLM probably regards mixed-race marriages as problematic.

    Get to fuck.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    I’ll not have a bad word said against Fiona Onasanya.

    She was responsible for ending Stewart Jackson’s parliamentary career, something we should be thankful.

    Like you were responsible for starting Andrea Jenkyns parliamentary career?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,302
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    isam said:
    What is she doing these days? Does anyone know?
    Pre Covid-19 she was working on her book and working to help the women inside she met.

    That last part is confusing. Do you mean ‘the women she met inside,’ or ‘the women inside that she has met?’ Or some combination thereof?
    A combination.

    1) The women she met inside prison

    2) Any women currently in prison/have been in prison.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Alistair said:

    Andy_JS said:

    BLM probably regards mixed-race marriages as problematic.

    Get to fuck.
    Yes, but you do in any marriage.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    IshmaelZ said:

    Alistair said:

    Andy_JS said:

    BLM probably regards mixed-race marriages as problematic.

    Get to fuck.
    Yes, but you do in any marriage.
    You’ve never read I, Claudius I take it?
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331

    I’ll not have a bad word said against Fiona Onasanya.

    She was responsible for ending Stewart Jackson’s parliamentary career, something we should be thankful.

    Like you were responsible for starting Andrea Jenkyns parliamentary career?
    Without which we’d never have got to see Ed Balls’ Gangnam Style.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,302

    I’ll not have a bad word said against Fiona Onasanya.

    She was responsible for ending Stewart Jackson’s parliamentary career, something we should be thankful.

    Like you were responsible for starting Andrea Jenkyns parliamentary career?
    That was entirely David Herdson's work.

    I did good work for Stuart Andrew, Alec Shelbrooke, and Jason McCartney in that election.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,302

    I’ll not have a bad word said against Fiona Onasanya.

    She was responsible for ending Stewart Jackson’s parliamentary career, something we should be thankful.

    Like you were responsible for starting Andrea Jenkyns parliamentary career?
    Without which we’d never have got to see Ed Balls’ Gangnam Style.
    Or the PB headline on election night 'Balls deep in trouble'.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,302
    Was also proud of 'Ajockalypse Now' on GE2015 night on the nightmare for SLAB.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    Was also proud of 'Ajockalypse Now' on GE2015 night on the nightmare for SLAB.

    Given it was based on years of incompetence, corruption and failure, Whoops Ajockalypse would have been more appropriate.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,302
    We read disgraced ex-MP Fiona Onasanya's autobiography and it was... a lot

    It includes the words 'strictly dickly'

    https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/local-news/fiona-onasanya-peterborough-autobiography-snakesadders-17769226
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639

    Was also proud of 'Ajockalypse Now' on GE2015 night on the nightmare for SLAB.

    I remember Mr Murphy, then head of SLAB, predicting he wouldn't lose a single Labour parliamentary seat in Scotland to the SNP.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/dec/14/snp-scottish-labour-murphy-poll

    Now THAT was a real Delphic oracle, from the unconscious presumably.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513
    MaxPB said:

    Netflix pull blackface episode of It's Always Sunny. The point of that series is to hate the characters because they are all so awful, that episode is literally a piss take of the kind of people who think blackface is a reasonable thing to do.

    Who is the culture minister? I think it's time for a strongly worded letter to streaming companies saying that censorship is not on and all TV shows must be restored immediately.

    The idea that the government gets to mandate editorial decisions (probably temporary) of media companies is even less... on.
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