Its remarkable how normal and how taken for granted the Tories getting 50% in the polls is now. The polls are comparable to those in 1998, but after a decade of the blues being in Downing Street..
Enjoy it while you can... it's not going to last.
This time last year the Tories hit 19%; 50% today means nothing with no GE on the horizon.
It means everything if there isn't another Tory voter strike.
Any political commentator who thought the Tory vote in a General Election was anywhere near 19% was a pillock. Especially with Corbyn helming Labour.
The run up to the EU elections 2019 was marked by an army of those who would later vote for Boris having a larf. It was an election where you could do that. Nothing was at stake. Vote Brexit Party - and watch the commentariat piss their pants.
Anyone who thinks the Tories will get 50% in the next GE with the economy in tatters, a 5th wave of CV-19 likely filling the ICUs again, and a big chunk of loyal Tory voters having sadly voted their last is similarly deluded.
5th wave?
"And the Award for Cheeriest Chap of 2020 goes to....."
Asking people to self isolate isn’t a quarantine. The government isn’t taking charge of those travellers . The headline looks tough but just more spin.
If they're asking people to self isolate, then why bother?
It's not quarantine, it's a con-antine.
We have a government so incompetent they can’t even organise a quarantine next to an airport with thousands of hotel rooms.
Its remarkable how normal and how taken for granted the Tories getting 50% in the polls is now. The polls are comparable to those in 1998, but after a decade of the blues being in Downing Street..
Enjoy it while you can... it's not going to last.
This time last year the Tories hit 19%; 50% today means nothing with no GE on the horizon.
It means everything if there isn't another Tory voter strike.
Any political commentator who thought the Tory vote in a General Election was anywhere near 19% was a pillock. Especially with Corbyn helming Labour.
The run up to the EU elections 2019 was marked by an army of those who would later vote for Boris having a larf. It was an election where you could do that. Nothing was at stake. Vote Brexit Party - and watch the commentariat piss their pants.
Indeed.
I could never have voted for UKIP but I voted Brexit Party as a "sack Theresa May now" protest vote - my vote meant nothing more nor less than that.
Even voting BXP I still felt like a Tory in exile and I'm glad my vote was one of millions that saw the back of that horrid woman.
Anyone who thought 19% was real is smoking harder drugs than even Michael Gove would touch.
19% was definitely a real poll. It said as much about the 2019 election as the current polls say about the next GE - absolutely nothing.
Presumably that will mean a change to the regulations about purposes for which we're allowed to leave the house. Will there be an extra item "to visit a garden centre" or will garden centres be classified as "critical public services"?
The Secretary of State has the power to make the change under the regulations.
Garden Centres are a very logical place to start, that will minimise economic damage, because
1 - £25 billion turnover sector. 2 - 40 million plus people shop there each year. 3 - Usually large premises, with outside space. Social distancing is easier to maintain, and the business can be operated outside. 4 - Importantly they are in the middle of their heavy business period from April to June/July. I am not sure of the exact numbers, but it could be half of annual turnover, like toy shops and Christmas. Billions of product that is sold in spring coming in before the lockdown which will have to be scrapped if it is not sold soon.
Its remarkable how normal and how taken for granted the Tories getting 50% in the polls is now. The polls are comparable to those in 1998, but after a decade of the blues being in Downing Street..
Enjoy it while you can... it's not going to last.
This time last year the Tories hit 19%; 50% today means nothing with no GE on the horizon.
It means everything if there isn't another Tory voter strike.
Any political commentator who thought the Tory vote in a General Election was anywhere near 19% was a pillock. Especially with Corbyn helming Labour.
The run up to the EU elections 2019 was marked by an army of those who would later vote for Boris having a larf. It was an election where you could do that. Nothing was at stake. Vote Brexit Party - and watch the commentariat piss their pants.
Anyone who thinks the Tories will get 50% in the next GE with the economy in tatters, a 5th wave of CV-19 likely filling the ICUs again, and a big chunk of loyal Tory voters having sadly voted their last is similarly deluded.
5th wave?
"And the Award for Cheeriest Chap of 2020 goes to....."
That's me. Being pessimistic it might be the 10th wave by 2024
Presumably that will mean a change to the regulations about purposes for which we're allowed to leave the house. Will there be an extra item "to visit a garden centre" or will garden centres be classified as "critical public services"?
The Secretary of State has the power to make the change under the regulations.
Garden Centres are a very logical place to start, that will minimise economic damage, because
1 - £25 billion turnover sector. 2 - 40 million plus people shop there each year. 3 - Usually large premises, with outside space. Social distancing is easier to maintain, and the business can be operated outside. 4 - Importantly they are in the middle of their heavy business period from April to June/July. I am not sure of the exact numbers, but it could be half of annual turnover, like toy shops and Christmas. Billions of product that is sold in spring coming in before the lockdown which will have to be scrapped if it is not sold soon.
Very good post. Opening Garden Centres is a sensible step for HMG to take.
Presumably that will mean a change to the regulations about purposes for which we're allowed to leave the house. Will there be an extra item "to visit a garden centre" or will garden centres be classified as "critical public services"?
The Secretary of State has the power to make the change under the regulations.
Garden Centres are a very logical place to start, that will minimise economic damage, because
1 - £25 billion turnover sector. 2 - 40 million plus people shop there each year. 3 - Usually large premises, with outside space. Social distancing is easier to maintain, and the business can be operated outside. 4 - Importantly they are in the middle of their heavy business period from April to June/July. I am not sure of the exact numbers, but it could be half of annual turnover, like toy shops and Christmas. Billions of product that is sold in spring coming in before the lockdown which will have to be scrapped if it is not sold soon.
All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens
How the F was this not done in February or March?
A shameful failure
It's worse than that.
Quarantining starts "at the end of May". So, in three weeks time when the problems are less severe, they'll implement it.
It literally makes no sense.
There must be 10,000 beds around Heathrow in airport hotels, maybe 20,000, and they're all empty.
It's really not complicated to put people there for two weeks.
Until the prevalence drops here, there is no benefit.
Haven't you noticed that we are the European hotspot?
Safer in Italy or Spain than London at present!
I know you are a medical man and I am a f******* idiot but your first statement makes no sense to me.
Surely an aircraft is a mobile petri dish, recirculating air shared between 200 people. who then disperse to all corners of the UK, some using public transport like the tube, sounds like a bad idea to me.
What percentage of UK cases have acquired it from foreign travel in April? My estimate is less than 1%.
If you want effective breaking of spread, then you have to determine where it is happening first. Test, Trace and Isolate those places first, then consider imported cases. Needs a reliable tracing app, and readily available testing first of course.
Asking people to self isolate isn’t a quarantine. The government isn’t taking charge of those travellers . The headline looks tough but just more spin.
If they're asking people to self isolate, then why bother?
It's not quarantine, it's a con-antine.
We have a government so incompetent they can’t even organise a quarantine next to an airport with thousands of hotel rooms.
Thankfully, in this crisis, people have arranged their own home-delivered piss up from the brewery.
Its remarkable how normal and how taken for granted the Tories getting 50% in the polls is now. The polls are comparable to those in 1998, but after a decade of the blues being in Downing Street..
Enjoy it while you can... it's not going to last.
This time last year the Tories hit 19%; 50% today means nothing with no GE on the horizon.
It means everything if there isn't another Tory voter strike.
Any political commentator who thought the Tory vote in a General Election was anywhere near 19% was a pillock. Especially with Corbyn helming Labour.
The run up to the EU elections 2019 was marked by an army of those who would later vote for Boris having a larf. It was an election where you could do that. Nothing was at stake. Vote Brexit Party - and watch the commentariat piss their pants.
Indeed.
I could never have voted for UKIP but I voted Brexit Party as a "sack Theresa May now" protest vote - my vote meant nothing more nor less than that.
Even voting BXP I still felt like a Tory in exile and I'm glad my vote was one of millions that saw the back of that horrid woman.
Anyone who thought 19% was real is smoking harder drugs than even Michael Gove would touch.
19% was definitely a real poll. It said as much about the 2019 election as the current polls say about the next GE - absolutely nothing.
Indeed opinion polls are meaningless. 80 seat majorities are meaningful.
What's remarkable to think about as well is that roughly this time last year there was a poll suggesting Change UK would get a fifth of the vote share the Tories would get.
Surely an aircraft is a mobile petri dish, recirculating air shared between 200 people ....
The recirculating air itself isn't a problem iirc - it goes through a hepa filter every couple of minutes, which will catch cv19. No help if somebody sneezes on you directly of course.
Having said all that, you won't see me on a flight anytime soon, and I'd much prefer they were quarantined.
Its remarkable how normal and how taken for granted the Tories getting 50% in the polls is now. The polls are comparable to those in 1998, but after a decade of the blues being in Downing Street..
Enjoy it while you can... it's not going to last.
This time last year the Tories hit 19%; 50% today means nothing with no GE on the horizon.
It means everything if there isn't another Tory voter strike.
Any political commentator who thought the Tory vote in a General Election was anywhere near 19% was a pillock. Especially with Corbyn helming Labour.
The run up to the EU elections 2019 was marked by an army of those who would later vote for Boris having a larf. It was an election where you could do that. Nothing was at stake. Vote Brexit Party - and watch the commentariat piss their pants.
Indeed.
I could never have voted for UKIP but I voted Brexit Party as a "sack Theresa May now" protest vote - my vote meant nothing more nor less than that.
Even voting BXP I still felt like a Tory in exile and I'm glad my vote was one of millions that saw the back of that horrid woman.
Anyone who thought 19% was real is smoking harder drugs than even Michael Gove would touch.
I voted Tory in the European elections when you voted Brexit Party then, despite apparently being a disgraceful extremist I have never voted for Farage
All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens
How the F was this not done in February or March?
A shameful failure
It's worse than that.
Quarantining starts "at the end of May". So, in three weeks time when the problems are less severe, they'll implement it.
It literally makes no sense.
There must be 10,000 beds around Heathrow in airport hotels, maybe 20,000, and they're all empty.
It's really not complicated to put people there for two weeks.
Until the prevalence drops here, there is no benefit.
Haven't you noticed that we are the European hotspot?
Safer in Italy or Spain than London at present!
I know you are a medical man and I am a f******* idiot but your first statement makes no sense to me.
Surely an aircraft is a mobile petri dish, recirculating air shared between 200 people. who then disperse to all corners of the UK, some using public transport like the tube, sounds like a bad idea to me.
What percentage of UK cases have acquired it from foreign travel in April? My estimate is less than 1%.
If you want effective breaking of spread, then you have to determine where it is happening first. Test, Trace and Isolate those places first, then consider imported cases. Needs a reliable tracing app, and readily available testing first of course.
Thanks for the explanation.
I am not sure I want to believe that aircraft are safe. Once lockdown is over, my regular trips to Belfast will not be Bristol to Aldergrove, but Irish Ferries from Fishguard to Rosslare, with lashings of hand sanitiser, assuming it is available by then.
All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens
How the F was this not done in February or March?
A shameful failure
It's worse than that.
Quarantining starts "at the end of May". So, in three weeks time when the problems are less severe, they'll implement it.
It literally makes no sense.
There must be 10,000 beds around Heathrow in airport hotels, maybe 20,000, and they're all empty.
It's really not complicated to put people there for two weeks.
Until the prevalence drops here, there is no benefit.
Haven't you noticed that we are the European hotspot?
Safer in Italy or Spain than London at present!
I know you are a medical man and I am a f******* idiot but your first statement makes no sense to me.
Surely an aircraft is a mobile petri dish, recirculating air shared between 200 people. who then disperse to all corners of the UK, some using public transport like the tube, sounds like a bad idea to me.
No its not.
Why?
Because planes use filtered air, the air isn't simply recirculated between 200 people.
There was a scientific study posted here earlier showing there were no known outbreaks traced back to transmission on a flight (as opposed to someone contagious who had flown).
Its remarkable how normal and how taken for granted the Tories getting 50% in the polls is now. The polls are comparable to those in 1998, but after a decade of the blues being in Downing Street..
Enjoy it while you can... it's not going to last.
This time last year the Tories hit 19%; 50% today means nothing with no GE on the horizon.
It means everything if there isn't another Tory voter strike.
Any political commentator who thought the Tory vote in a General Election was anywhere near 19% was a pillock. Especially with Corbyn helming Labour.
The run up to the EU elections 2019 was marked by an army of those who would later vote for Boris having a larf. It was an election where you could do that. Nothing was at stake. Vote Brexit Party - and watch the commentariat piss their pants.
Indeed.
I could never have voted for UKIP but I voted Brexit Party as a "sack Theresa May now" protest vote - my vote meant nothing more nor less than that.
Even voting BXP I still felt like a Tory in exile and I'm glad my vote was one of millions that saw the back of that horrid woman.
Anyone who thought 19% was real is smoking harder drugs than even Michael Gove would touch.
19% was definitely a real poll. It said as much about the 2019 election as the current polls say about the next GE - absolutely nothing.
Not really, if Labour was on 19% and the Greens say on 25% that would be more comparable
Surely an aircraft is a mobile petri dish, recirculating air shared between 200 people ....
The recirculating air itself isn't a problem iirc - it goes through a hepa filter every couple of minutes, which will catch cv19. No help if somebody sneezes on you directly of course.
All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens
How the F was this not done in February or March?
A shameful failure
It's worse than that.
Quarantining starts "at the end of May". So, in three weeks time when the problems are less severe, they'll implement it.
It literally makes no sense.
There must be 10,000 beds around Heathrow in airport hotels, maybe 20,000, and they're all empty.
It's really not complicated to put people there for two weeks.
Until the prevalence drops here, there is no benefit.
Haven't you noticed that we are the European hotspot?
Safer in Italy or Spain than London at present!
I know you are a medical man and I am a f******* idiot but your first statement makes no sense to me.
Surely an aircraft is a mobile petri dish, recirculating air shared between 200 people. who then disperse to all corners of the UK, some using public transport like the tube, sounds like a bad idea to me.
What percentage of UK cases have acquired it from foreign travel in April? My estimate is less than 1%.
If you want effective breaking of spread, then you have to determine where it is happening first. Test, Trace and Isolate those places first, then consider imported cases. Needs a reliable tracing app, and readily available testing first of course.
I would think it pretty unlikely that garden centres would be a hotspot of transmission.
Indeed, I think that asymptomatic health and social care workers are probably the main mode of transmission now. Intra-household spread is probably now burnt out.
At this rate of easing lockdown (garden centres!) we will be with Buck Rodgers in the 25th century before pubs are open. Shall we all have a guess as to what extra treat we will have next week? My suggestion would be to allow Music shops to open but only if they sell only woodwind and brass instruments - drums can be saved for the following weeks easing.
Haberdashers - so that we can buy the elastic to make masks from old dusters?
Woodwind and brass would be last - germ disseminators!
Makes me wonder whether it would be more hygienic for people to use their own fingers to pick finger food off the buffet (trying to avoid touching other food) rather than using the tongs every other person is handling too.
Its remarkable how normal and how taken for granted the Tories getting 50% in the polls is now. The polls are comparable to those in 1998, but after a decade of the blues being in Downing Street..
Enjoy it while you can... it's not going to last.
This time last year the Tories hit 19%; 50% today means nothing with no GE on the horizon.
It means everything if there isn't another Tory voter strike.
Any political commentator who thought the Tory vote in a General Election was anywhere near 19% was a pillock. Especially with Corbyn helming Labour.
The run up to the EU elections 2019 was marked by an army of those who would later vote for Boris having a larf. It was an election where you could do that. Nothing was at stake. Vote Brexit Party - and watch the commentariat piss their pants.
Indeed.
I could never have voted for UKIP but I voted Brexit Party as a "sack Theresa May now" protest vote - my vote meant nothing more nor less than that.
Even voting BXP I still felt like a Tory in exile and I'm glad my vote was one of millions that saw the back of that horrid woman.
Anyone who thought 19% was real is smoking harder drugs than even Michael Gove would touch.
I voted Tory in the European elections when you voted Brexit Party then, despite apparently being a disgraceful extremist I have never voted for Farage
I didn't vote for Farage either. I voted tactically to get rid of Theresa "GO HOME" May who had dismissally failed as Prime Minister and to usher in a leadership contest that brought in Boris as Prime Minister and allowed us to win an election.
Anyway as I've said frequently in recent years I tore up my membership when Theresa May was elected. I despise her xenophobia.
My vote and the vote of millions of other Tories for BXP did more for the Tory party than your nodding dog endorsement of Theresa May did last year.
Its remarkable how normal and how taken for granted the Tories getting 50% in the polls is now. The polls are comparable to those in 1998, but after a decade of the blues being in Downing Street..
Enjoy it while you can... it's not going to last.
This time last year the Tories hit 19%; 50% today means nothing with no GE on the horizon.
It means everything if there isn't another Tory voter strike.
Any political commentator who thought the Tory vote in a General Election was anywhere near 19% was a pillock. Especially with Corbyn helming Labour.
The run up to the EU elections 2019 was marked by an army of those who would later vote for Boris having a larf. It was an election where you could do that. Nothing was at stake. Vote Brexit Party - and watch the commentariat piss their pants.
Indeed.
I could never have voted for UKIP but I voted Brexit Party as a "sack Theresa May now" protest vote - my vote meant nothing more nor less than that.
Even voting BXP I still felt like a Tory in exile and I'm glad my vote was one of millions that saw the back of that horrid woman.
Anyone who thought 19% was real is smoking harder drugs than even Michael Gove would touch.
I voted Tory in the European elections when you voted Brexit Party then, despite apparently being a disgraceful extremist I have never voted for Farage
I didn't vote for Farage either. I voted tactically to get rid of Theresa "GO HOME" May who had dismissally failed as Prime Minister and to usher in a leadership contest that brought in Boris as Prime Minister and allowed us to win an election.
Anyway as I've said frequently in recent years I tore up my membership when Theresa May was elected. I despise her xenophobia.
My vote and the vote of millions of other Tories for BXP did more for the Tory party than your nodding dog endorsement of Theresa May did last year.
BXP because you despise xenophobia? We really are through the looking glass!
All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens
How the F was this not done in February or March?
A shameful failure
Also: "...from the end of May" WTAF!?
Sounds a bit like they didn't think there was a point in bringing it in earlier because the virus was already widespread so it'd make no difference once everywhere was locked down internally anyway, but once we are easing out of lockdown it would make a difference and we can bring in the measures ahead of, and to hopefully prevent, a second wave. But I've no idea if that is the reasoning or even if it makes sense, but the delay in bringing it in until June makes me think that way.
Also, why not be a bit smarter and have different countries with different risk tiers:
- coming from South Korea? Come right in - coming from the US? Two week quarantine - coming from Mexico? No you're not
On the last point it will have been discussed and abandoned because they dont want to label the US high risk, which Trump will see as personal provocation that needs a response.
All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens
How the F was this not done in February or March?
A shameful failure
Also: "...from the end of May" WTAF!?
Sounds a bit like they didn't think there was a point in bringing it in earlier because the virus was already widespread so it'd make no difference once everywhere was locked down internally anyway, but once we are easing out of lockdown it would make a difference and we can bring in the measures ahead of, and to hopefully prevent, a second wave. But I've no idea if that is the reasoning or even if it makes sense, but the delay in bringing it in until June makes me think that way.
Also, why not be a bit smarter and have different countries with different risk tiers:
- coming from South Korea? Come right in - coming from the US? Two week quarantine - coming from Mexico? No you're not
Because the powers that be would sooner die than offend anyone.
Its remarkable how normal and how taken for granted the Tories getting 50% in the polls is now. The polls are comparable to those in 1998, but after a decade of the blues being in Downing Street..
Enjoy it while you can... it's not going to last.
This time last year the Tories hit 19%; 50% today means nothing with no GE on the horizon.
It means everything if there isn't another Tory voter strike.
Any political commentator who thought the Tory vote in a General Election was anywhere near 19% was a pillock. Especially with Corbyn helming Labour.
The run up to the EU elections 2019 was marked by an army of those who would later vote for Boris having a larf. It was an election where you could do that. Nothing was at stake. Vote Brexit Party - and watch the commentariat piss their pants.
Indeed.
I could never have voted for UKIP but I voted Brexit Party as a "sack Theresa May now" protest vote - my vote meant nothing more nor less than that.
Even voting BXP I still felt like a Tory in exile and I'm glad my vote was one of millions that saw the back of that horrid woman.
Anyone who thought 19% was real is smoking harder drugs than even Michael Gove would touch.
I voted Tory in the European elections when you voted Brexit Party then, despite apparently being a disgraceful extremist I have never voted for Farage
I didn't vote for Farage either. I voted tactically to get rid of Theresa "GO HOME" May who had dismissally failed as Prime Minister and to usher in a leadership contest that brought in Boris as Prime Minister and allowed us to win an election.
Anyway as I've said frequently in recent years I tore up my membership when Theresa May was elected. I despise her xenophobia.
My vote and the vote of millions of other Tories for BXP did more for the Tory party than your nodding dog endorsement of Theresa May did last year.
BXP because you despise xenophobia? We really are through the looking glass!
It was a protest vote.
I quit the party because of May being elected and her xenophobia, I voted BXP because May was not just someone I didn't respect but had failed on Brexit and everything else too and needed to go and go now. Voting BXP was the only way to send that protest mesage - without risking Farage or anyone else insane actually becoming an MP in Parliament.
All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens
How the F was this not done in February or March?
A shameful failure
Also: "...from the end of May" WTAF!?
Sounds a bit like they didn't think there was a point in bringing it in earlier because the virus was already widespread so it'd make no difference once everywhere was locked down internally anyway, but once we are easing out of lockdown it would make a difference and we can bring in the measures ahead of, and to hopefully prevent, a second wave. But I've no idea if that is the reasoning or even if it makes sense, but the delay in bringing it in until June makes me think that way.
Also, why not be a bit smarter and have different countries with different risk tiers:
- coming from South Korea? Come right in - coming from the US? Two week quarantine - coming from Mexico? No you're not
On the last point it will have been discussed and abandoned because they dont want to label the US high risk, which Trump will see as personal provocation that needs a response.
Its remarkable how normal and how taken for granted the Tories getting 50% in the polls is now. The polls are comparable to those in 1998, but after a decade of the blues being in Downing Street..
Enjoy it while you can... it's not going to last.
This time last year the Tories hit 19%; 50% today means nothing with no GE on the horizon.
It means everything if there isn't another Tory voter strike.
Any political commentator who thought the Tory vote in a General Election was anywhere near 19% was a pillock. Especially with Corbyn helming Labour.
The run up to the EU elections 2019 was marked by an army of those who would later vote for Boris having a larf. It was an election where you could do that. Nothing was at stake. Vote Brexit Party - and watch the commentariat piss their pants.
Indeed.
I could never have voted for UKIP but I voted Brexit Party as a "sack Theresa May now" protest vote - my vote meant nothing more nor less than that.
Even voting BXP I still felt like a Tory in exile and I'm glad my vote was one of millions that saw the back of that horrid woman.
Anyone who thought 19% was real is smoking harder drugs than even Michael Gove would touch.
I voted Tory in the European elections when you voted Brexit Party then, despite apparently being a disgraceful extremist I have never voted for Farage
I didn't vote for Farage either. I voted tactically to get rid of Theresa "GO HOME" May who had dismissally failed as Prime Minister and to usher in a leadership contest that brought in Boris as Prime Minister and allowed us to win an election.
Anyway as I've said frequently in recent years I tore up my membership when Theresa May was elected. I despise her xenophobia.
My vote and the vote of millions of other Tories for BXP did more for the Tory party than your nodding dog endorsement of Theresa May did last year.
BXP because you despise xenophobia? We really are through the looking glass!
I remember that election, put my X by the Lincolnshire independents.
Makes me wonder whether it would be more hygienic for people to use their own fingers to pick finger food off the buffet (trying to avoid touching other food) rather than using the tongs every other person is handling too.
In buffets in countries with a low or no minimum wage (or expensive buffets anywhere) you could get round it by a waiter following you round and use the tongs for you. Just ensure the waiters regularly wash their hands and have individual tongs.
All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens
How the F was this not done in February or March?
A shameful failure
Also: "...from the end of May" WTAF!?
Sounds a bit like they didn't think there was a point in bringing it in earlier because the virus was already widespread so it'd make no difference once everywhere was locked down internally anyway, but once we are easing out of lockdown it would make a difference and we can bring in the measures ahead of, and to hopefully prevent, a second wave. But I've no idea if that is the reasoning or even if it makes sense, but the delay in bringing it in until June makes me think that way.
Also, why not be a bit smarter and have different countries with different risk tiers:
- coming from South Korea? Come right in - coming from the US? Two week quarantine - coming from Mexico? No you're not
On the last point it will have been discussed and abandoned because they dont want to label the US high risk, which Trump will see as personal provocation that needs a response.
Why not? He did the same with us.
You think he is rational? His world view tends to be quite focused on himself. From all his previous behavious, when the press ask him why do the UK think the US is bad for Covid19, his most likely response is to attack the UK.
Its remarkable how normal and how taken for granted the Tories getting 50% in the polls is now. The polls are comparable to those in 1998, but after a decade of the blues being in Downing Street..
Enjoy it while you can... it's not going to last.
This time last year the Tories hit 19%; 50% today means nothing with no GE on the horizon.
It means everything if there isn't another Tory voter strike.
Any political commentator who thought the Tory vote in a General Election was anywhere near 19% was a pillock. Especially with Corbyn helming Labour.
The run up to the EU elections 2019 was marked by an army of those who would later vote for Boris having a larf. It was an election where you could do that. Nothing was at stake. Vote Brexit Party - and watch the commentariat piss their pants.
Indeed.
I could never have voted for UKIP but I voted Brexit Party as a "sack Theresa May now" protest vote - my vote meant nothing more nor less than that.
Even voting BXP I still felt like a Tory in exile and I'm glad my vote was one of millions that saw the back of that horrid woman.
Anyone who thought 19% was real is smoking harder drugs than even Michael Gove would touch.
I voted Tory in the European elections when you voted Brexit Party then, despite apparently being a disgraceful extremist I have never voted for Farage
I didn't vote for Farage either. I voted tactically to get rid of Theresa "GO HOME" May who had dismissally failed as Prime Minister and to usher in a leadership contest that brought in Boris as Prime Minister and allowed us to win an election.
Anyway as I've said frequently in recent years I tore up my membership when Theresa May was elected. I despise her xenophobia.
My vote and the vote of millions of other Tories for BXP did more for the Tory party than your nodding dog endorsement of Theresa May did last year.
The Brexit Party leader was Nigel Farage and they won most MEPs, including Mr Farage.
Like it or not you voted for Farage, if you wanted to make a protest vote against May you could have just stayed home and not voted Tory. Instead you cast a ballot for Farage
Right you've convinced me. Later this week I shall lose my thirty pound land virginity. I remain to be convinced it will have a lasting positive effect on my mental health.
Isn't calling a 19-point deficit "no big breakthrough for LAB" a bit like saying that this China flu epidemic might cost the country a pound or two this year?
All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens
How the F was this not done in February or March?
A shameful failure
Yes, but we have a saying in Hindi, "it's morning when you wake up", which basically means better late than never. I'd rather the government do this now than be scared of the u turn and never do it.
All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens
How the F was this not done in February or March?
A shameful failure
Yes, but we have a saying in Hindi, "it's morning when you wake up", which basically means better late than never. I'd rather the government do this now than be scared of the u turn and never do it.
It's a stupid idea. Might conceivably have worked if implemented in December last year. Now the virus is endemic here, it won't do anything to stop it - but it will further destroy our tourism sector and erode this country's position as a global business hub.
Another record death toll for Brazil, 709 today. They're doing sod all testing too, so the real figure is likely way higher.
Well that's one place to ban flights from.
JFK is the biggy right now in my book though.
If you ban flights from Rio or JFK people will just go through Stockholm or Dublin or somewhere. They'll find a way, unless you seal the country off completely.
Its remarkable how normal and how taken for granted the Tories getting 50% in the polls is now. The polls are comparable to those in 1998, but after a decade of the blues being in Downing Street..
Enjoy it while you can... it's not going to last.
This time last year the Tories hit 19%; 50% today means nothing with no GE on the horizon.
It means everything if there isn't another Tory voter strike.
Any political commentator who thought the Tory vote in a General Election was anywhere near 19% was a pillock. Especially with Corbyn helming Labour.
The run up to the EU elections 2019 was marked by an army of those who would later vote for Boris having a larf. It was an election where you could do that. Nothing was at stake. Vote Brexit Party - and watch the commentariat piss their pants.
Indeed.
I could never have voted for UKIP but I voted Brexit Party as a "sack Theresa May now" protest vote - my vote meant nothing more nor less than that.
Even voting BXP I still felt like a Tory in exile and I'm glad my vote was one of millions that saw the back of that horrid woman.
Anyone who thought 19% was real is smoking harder drugs than even Michael Gove would touch.
I voted Tory in the European elections when you voted Brexit Party then, despite apparently being a disgraceful extremist I have never voted for Farage
I didn't vote for Farage either. I voted tactically to get rid of Theresa "GO HOME" May who had dismissally failed as Prime Minister and to usher in a leadership contest that brought in Boris as Prime Minister and allowed us to win an election.
Anyway as I've said frequently in recent years I tore up my membership when Theresa May was elected. I despise her xenophobia.
My vote and the vote of millions of other Tories for BXP did more for the Tory party than your nodding dog endorsement of Theresa May did last year.
The Brexit Party leader was Nigel Farage and they won most MEPs, including Mr Farage.
Like it or not you voted for Farage, if you wanted to make a protest vote against May you could have just stayed home and not voted Tory. Instead you cast a ballot for Farage
And where is Farage now? Downing Street? Westminster?
Grow up and smell the roses. I recognised this as an absurd pointless election that should never have taken place and cast my ballot appropriately leading to a leadership election Boris could win.
You did your nodding dog trick and endorsed Theresa May.
All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens
How the F was this not done in February or March?
A shameful failure
It's worse than that.
Quarantining starts "at the end of May". So, in three weeks time when the problems are less severe, they'll implement it.
It literally makes no sense.
There must be 10,000 beds around Heathrow in airport hotels, maybe 20,000, and they're all empty.
It's really not complicated to put people there for two weeks.
Until the prevalence drops here, there is no benefit.
Haven't you noticed that we are the European hotspot?
Safer in Italy or Spain than London at present!
I know you are a medical man and I am a f******* idiot but your first statement makes no sense to me.
Surely an aircraft is a mobile petri dish, recirculating air shared between 200 people. who then disperse to all corners of the UK, some using public transport like the tube, sounds like a bad idea to me.
Well don't forget travel works both ways. If we are sending people abroad with CV-19 and receiving them without, we'll have lowered the overall prevalence of the disease.
Another record death toll for Brazil, 709 today. They're doing sod all testing too, so the real figure is likely way higher.
Well that's one place to ban flights from.
JFK is the biggy right now in my book though.
If you ban flights from Rio or JFK people will just go through Stockholm or Dublin or somewhere. They'll find a way, unless you seal the country off completely.
Well they might go through some proper controls there at least...
All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens
How the F was this not done in February or March?
A shameful failure
Yes, but we have a saying in Hindi, "it's morning when you wake up", which basically means better late than never. I'd rather the government do this now than be scared of the u turn and never do it.
It's a stupid idea. Might conceivably have worked if implemented in December last year. Now the virus is endemic here, it won't do anything to stop it - but it will further destroy our tourism sector and erode this country's position as a global business hub.
There is no tourism and there business hub is dead until we get control of this. We should have stopped flights in February, but there is a constant addition of new cases from overseas that needs to be stopped.
Its remarkable how normal and how taken for granted the Tories getting 50% in the polls is now. The polls are comparable to those in 1998, but after a decade of the blues being in Downing Street..
Enjoy it while you can... it's not going to last.
This time last year the Tories hit 19%; 50% today means nothing with no GE on the horizon.
It means everything if there isn't another Tory voter strike.
Any political commentator who thought the Tory vote in a General Election was anywhere near 19% was a pillock. Especially with Corbyn helming Labour.
The run up to the EU elections 2019 was marked by an army of those who would later vote for Boris having a larf. It was an election where you could do that. Nothing was at stake. Vote Brexit Party - and watch the commentariat piss their pants.
Indeed.
I could never have voted for UKIP but I voted Brexit Party as a "sack Theresa May now" protest vote - my vote meant nothing more nor less than that.
Even voting BXP I still felt like a Tory in exile and I'm glad my vote was one of millions that saw the back of that horrid woman.
Anyone who thought 19% was real is smoking harder drugs than even Michael Gove would touch.
I voted Tory in the European elections when you voted Brexit Party then, despite apparently being a disgraceful extremist I have never voted for Farage
I didn't vote for Farage either. I voted tactically to get rid of Theresa "GO HOME" May who had dismissally failed as Prime Minister and to usher in a leadership contest that brought in Boris as Prime Minister and allowed us to win an election.
Anyway as I've said frequently in recent years I tore up my membership when Theresa May was elected. I despise her xenophobia.
My vote and the vote of millions of other Tories for BXP did more for the Tory party than your nodding dog endorsement of Theresa May did last year.
The Brexit Party leader was Nigel Farage and they won most MEPs, including Mr Farage.
Like it or not you voted for Farage, if you wanted to make a protest vote against May you could have just stayed home and not voted Tory. Instead you cast a ballot for Farage
And where is Farage now? Downing Street? Westminster?
Grow up and smell the roses. I recognised this as an absurd pointless election that should never have taken place and cast my ballot appropriately leading to a leadership election Boris could win.
You did your nodding dog trick and endorsed Theresa May.
May was going after the abysmal 2019 Tory local election results anyway and the terrible Tory opinion poll ratings and she announced her resignation on the Friday before the European election results on the Sunday.
I am comfortable saying I never voted for Farage but did still vote for and campaign for the Boris general election victory last December
Its remarkable how normal and how taken for granted the Tories getting 50% in the polls is now. The polls are comparable to those in 1998, but after a decade of the blues being in Downing Street..
Enjoy it while you can... it's not going to last.
This time last year the Tories hit 19%; 50% today means nothing with no GE on the horizon.
It means everything if there isn't another Tory voter strike.
Any political commentator who thought the Tory vote in a General Election was anywhere near 19% was a pillock. Especially with Corbyn helming Labour.
The run up to the EU elections 2019 was marked by an army of those who would later vote for Boris having a larf. It was an election where you could do that. Nothing was at stake. Vote Brexit Party - and watch the commentariat piss their pants.
Indeed.
I could never have voted for UKIP but I voted Brexit Party as a "sack Theresa May now" protest vote - my vote meant nothing more nor less than that.
Even voting BXP I still felt like a Tory in exile and I'm glad my vote was one of millions that saw the back of that horrid woman.
Anyone who thought 19% was real is smoking harder drugs than even Michael Gove would touch.
I voted Tory in the European elections when you voted Brexit Party then, despite apparently being a disgraceful extremist I have never voted for Farage
I didn't vote for Farage either. I voted tactically to get rid of Theresa "GO HOME" May who had dismissally failed as Prime Minister and to usher in a leadership contest that brought in Boris as Prime Minister and allowed us to win an election.
Anyway as I've said frequently in recent years I tore up my membership when Theresa May was elected. I despise her xenophobia.
My vote and the vote of millions of other Tories for BXP did more for the Tory party than your nodding dog endorsement of Theresa May did last year.
The Brexit Party leader was Nigel Farage and they won most MEPs, including Mr Farage.
Like it or not you voted for Farage, if you wanted to make a protest vote against May you could have just stayed home and not voted Tory. Instead you cast a ballot for Farage
And where is Farage now? Downing Street? Westminster?
Grow up and smell the roses. I recognised this as an absurd pointless election that should never have taken place and cast my ballot appropriately leading to a leadership election Boris could win.
You did your nodding dog trick and endorsed Theresa May.
May was going after the abysmal 2019 Tory local election results anyway and the terrible Tory opinion poll ratings and she announced her resignation on the Friday begore the European election results on the Sunday.
I am comfortable saying I never voted for Farage but did still vote for and campaign for the Boris general election victory last December
May resigned after the votes had been cast and because it was known what the results would be. If the Tory voters like myself hadn't gone on strike she wouldn't have needed to resign.
You may have voted for Boris but that's meaningless. You voted for May, Remain, IDS and whoever else too. You don't think for yourself, you just do the same thing every time.
Most Tories I know deliberately didn't vote for May's Tories this time last year and the plan worked.
The arrivals must quarantine. Going to be interesting how they enforce this...and threatening deportation, we can't even deport illegals who are convicted rapists, no way we are getting rid of somebody who popped down the shop for a pont of milk when supposedly isolating. And how will they ever find out? I doubt we are going to copy south korea and put tracking bracelets on people.
All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens
How the F was this not done in February or March?
A shameful failure
Yes, but we have a saying in Hindi, "it's morning when you wake up", which basically means better late than never. I'd rather the government do this now than be scared of the u turn and never do it.
Except they're not doing it.
They're merely recommending those that arrive self quarantine. They might as well not bother.
Its remarkable how normal and how taken for granted the Tories getting 50% in the polls is now. The polls are comparable to those in 1998, but after a decade of the blues being in Downing Street..
Enjoy it while you can... it's not going to last.
This time last year the Tories hit 19%; 50% today means nothing with no GE on the horizon.
It means everything if there isn't another Tory voter strike.
Any political commentator who thought the Tory vote in a General Election was anywhere near 19% was a pillock. Especially with Corbyn helming Labour.
The run up to the EU elections 2019 was marked by an army of those who would later vote for Boris having a larf. It was an election where you could do that. Nothing was at stake. Vote Brexit Party - and watch the commentariat piss their pants.
Indeed.
I could never have voted for UKIP but I voted Brexit Party as a "sack Theresa May now" protest vote - my vote meant nothing more nor less than that.
Even voting BXP I still felt like a Tory in exile and I'm glad my vote was one of millions that saw the back of that horrid woman.
Anyone who thought 19% was real is smoking harder drugs than even Michael Gove would touch.
I voted Tory in the European elections when you voted Brexit Party then, despite apparently being a disgraceful extremist I have never voted for Farage
I didn't vote for Farage either. I voted tactically to get rid of Theresa "GO HOME" May who had dismissally failed as Prime Minister and to usher in a leadership contest that brought in Boris as Prime Minister and allowed us to win an election.
Anyway as I've said frequently in recent years I tore up my membership when Theresa May was elected. I despise her xenophobia.
My vote and the vote of millions of other Tories for BXP did more for the Tory party than your nodding dog endorsement of Theresa May did last year.
The Brexit Party leader was Nigel Farage and they won most MEPs, including Mr Farage.
Like it or not you voted for Farage, if you wanted to make a protest vote against May you could have just stayed home and not voted Tory. Instead you cast a ballot for Farage
And where is Farage now? Downing Street? Westminster?
Grow up and smell the roses. I recognised this as an absurd pointless election that should never have taken place and cast my ballot appropriately leading to a leadership election Boris could win.
You did your nodding dog trick and endorsed Theresa May.
May was going after the abysmal 2019 Tory local election results anyway and the terrible Tory opinion poll ratings and she announced her resignation on the Friday begore the European election results on the Sunday.
I am comfortable saying I never voted for Farage but did still vote for and campaign for the Boris general election victory last December
May resigned after the votes had been cast and because it was known what the results would be. If the Tory voters like myself hadn't gone on strike she wouldn't have needed to resign.
You may have voted for Boris but that's meaningless. You voted for May, Remain, IDS and whoever else too. You don't think for yourself, you just do the same thing every time.
Most Tories I know deliberately didn't vote for May's Tories this time last year and the plan worked.
Many did that by staying home, both in the local elections and the European elections, or by voting for Independents, they did not all vote for Farage
All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens
How the F was this not done in February or March?
A shameful failure
Yes, but we have a saying in Hindi, "it's morning when you wake up", which basically means better late than never. I'd rather the government do this now than be scared of the u turn and never do it.
Except they're not doing it.
They're merely recommending those that arrive self quarantine. They might as well not bother.
Says £1000 fines, addresses and spot checks by police to enforce the policy.
Its remarkable how normal and how taken for granted the Tories getting 50% in the polls is now. The polls are comparable to those in 1998, but after a decade of the blues being in Downing Street..
Enjoy it while you can... it's not going to last.
This time last year the Tories hit 19%; 50% today means nothing with no GE on the horizon.
It means everything if there isn't another Tory voter strike.
Any political commentator who thought the Tory vote in a General Election was anywhere near 19% was a pillock. Especially with Corbyn helming Labour.
The run up to the EU elections 2019 was marked by an army of those who would later vote for Boris having a larf. It was an election where you could do that. Nothing was at stake. Vote Brexit Party - and watch the commentariat piss their pants.
Indeed.
I could never have voted for UKIP but I voted Brexit Party as a "sack Theresa May now" protest vote - my vote meant nothing more nor less than that.
Even voting BXP I still felt like a Tory in exile and I'm glad my vote was one of millions that saw the back of that horrid woman.
Anyone who thought 19% was real is smoking harder drugs than even Michael Gove would touch.
I voted Tory in the European elections when you voted Brexit Party then, despite apparently being a disgraceful extremist I have never voted for Farage
I didn't vote for Farage either. I voted tactically to get rid of Theresa "GO HOME" May who had dismissally failed as Prime Minister and to usher in a leadership contest that brought in Boris as Prime Minister and allowed us to win an election.
Anyway as I've said frequently in recent years I tore up my membership when Theresa May was elected. I despise her xenophobia.
My vote and the vote of millions of other Tories for BXP did more for the Tory party than your nodding dog endorsement of Theresa May did last year.
The Brexit Party leader was Nigel Farage and they won most MEPs, including Mr Farage.
Like it or not you voted for Farage, if you wanted to make a protest vote against May you could have just stayed home and not voted Tory. Instead you cast a ballot for Farage
And where is Farage now? Downing Street? Westminster?
Grow up and smell the roses. I recognised this as an absurd pointless election that should never have taken place and cast my ballot appropriately leading to a leadership election Boris could win.
You did your nodding dog trick and endorsed Theresa May.
May was going after the abysmal 2019 Tory local election results anyway and the terrible Tory opinion poll ratings and she announced her resignation on the Friday begore the European election results on the Sunday.
I am comfortable saying I never voted for Farage but did still vote for and campaign for the Boris general election victory last December
May resigned after the votes had been cast and because it was known what the results would be. If the Tory voters like myself hadn't gone on strike she wouldn't have needed to resign.
You may have voted for Boris but that's meaningless. You voted for May, Remain, IDS and whoever else too. You don't think for yourself, you just do the same thing every time.
Most Tories I know deliberately didn't vote for May's Tories this time last year and the plan worked.
Many did that by staying home, both in the local elections and the European elections, or by voting for Independents, they did not all vote for Farage
I didn't vote for Farage.
Nor did I campaign that election, unusually for me. I disliked all parties but had to vote for someone I view it as my civic duty.
All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens
How the F was this not done in February or March?
A shameful failure
Yes, but we have a saying in Hindi, "it's morning when you wake up", which basically means better late than never. I'd rather the government do this now than be scared of the u turn and never do it.
Except they're not doing it.
They're merely recommending those that arrive self quarantine. They might as well not bother.
Says £1000 gives, addresses and spot checks by police to enforce the policy.
In China, you go to a special quarantine hotel. Food is room service that they leave outside your door. You are tested at the airport, after seven and fourteen days. It's proper quarantine.
In the UK, you go where you like, and there is a tiny possibility that the police check on you.
I must admit, it's all a bit of farce. Come the end of May, most of Europe will be well over the worst of CV-19. Flights will start returning. Borders will start opening. So maybe this kind of "sort of quarantine" thing works.
The arrivals must quarantine. Going to be interesting how they enforce this...and threatening deportation, we can't even deport illegals who are convicted rapists, no way we are getting rid of somebody who popped down the shop for a pont of milk when supposedly isolating. And how will they ever find out? I doubt we are going to copy south korea and put tracking bracelets on people.
For all arrivals?
Surely it makes sense to segment according to risk. That also makes it a lot easier to change later. Countries are slowly moved from Tier Four (no entrance at all) to Tier One (no quarantine required) as new information comes in.
Its remarkable how normal and how taken for granted the Tories getting 50% in the polls is now. The polls are comparable to those in 1998, but after a decade of the blues being in Downing Street..
Enjoy it while you can... it's not going to last.
This time last year the Tories hit 19%; 50% today means nothing with no GE on the horizon.
It means everything if there isn't another Tory voter strike.
Any political commentator who thought the Tory vote in a General Election was anywhere near 19% was a pillock. Especially with Corbyn helming Labour.
The run up to the EU elections 2019 was marked by an army of those who would later vote for Boris having a larf. It was an election where you could do that. Nothing was at stake. Vote Brexit Party - and watch the commentariat piss their pants.
Indeed.
I could never have voted for UKIP but I voted Brexit Party as a "sack Theresa May now" protest vote - my vote meant nothing more nor less than that.
Even voting BXP I still felt like a Tory in exile and I'm glad my vote was one of millions that saw the back of that horrid woman.
Anyone who thought 19% was real is smoking harder drugs than even Michael Gove would touch.
I voted Tory in the European elections when you voted Brexit Party then, despite apparently being a disgraceful extremist I have never voted for Farage
I didn't vote for Farage either. I voted tactically to get rid of Theresa "GO HOME" May who had dismissally failed as Prime Minister and to usher in a leadership contest that brought in Boris as Prime Minister and allowed us to win an election.
Anyway as I've said frequently in recent years I tore up my membership when Theresa May was elected. I despise her xenophobia.
My vote and the vote of millions of other Tories for BXP did more for the Tory party than your nodding dog endorsement of Theresa May did last year.
The Brexit Party leader was Nigel Farage and they won most MEPs, including Mr Farage.
Like it or not you voted for Farage, if you wanted to make a protest vote against May you could have just stayed home and not voted Tory. Instead you cast a ballot for Farage
And where is Farage now? Downing Street? Westminster?
Grow up and smell the roses. I recognised this as an absurd pointless election that should never have taken place and cast my ballot appropriately leading to a leadership election Boris could win.
You did your nodding dog trick and endorsed Theresa May.
May was going after the abysmal 2019 Tory local election results anyway and the terrible Tory opinion poll ratings and she announced her resignation on the Friday begore the European election results on the Sunday.
I am comfortable saying I never voted for Farage but did still vote for and campaign for the Boris general election victory last December
May resigned after the votes had been cast and because it was known what the results would be. If the Tory voters like myself hadn't gone on strike she wouldn't have needed to resign.
You may have voted for Boris but that's meaningless. You voted for May, Remain, IDS and whoever else too. You don't think for yourself, you just do the same thing every time.
Most Tories I know deliberately didn't vote for May's Tories this time last year and the plan worked.
Many did that by staying home, both in the local elections and the European elections, or by voting for Independents, they did not all vote for Farage
I didn't vote for Farage.
Nor did I campaign that election, unusually for me. I disliked all parties but had to vote for someone I view it as my civic duty.
If you live in the South East you voted for Farage directly as he was a candidate there, if not you still did indirectly as he is leader of the Brexit Party
All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens
How the F was this not done in February or March?
A shameful failure
Also: "...from the end of May" WTAF!?
Sounds a bit like they didn't think there was a point in bringing it in earlier because the virus was already widespread so it'd make no difference once everywhere was locked down internally anyway, but once we are easing out of lockdown it would make a difference and we can bring in the measures ahead of, and to hopefully prevent, a second wave. But I've no idea if that is the reasoning or even if it makes sense, but the delay in bringing it in until June makes me think that way.
Also, why not be a bit smarter and have different countries with different risk tiers:
- coming from South Korea? Come right in - coming from the US? Two week quarantine - coming from Mexico? No you're not
On the last point it will have been discussed and abandoned because they dont want to label the US high risk, which Trump will see as personal provocation that needs a response.
Let him respond, why would the British government want people going to the US anyhow? The US is showing no signs of containing the rona, and sooner or later they're going to want to come back...
Asking people to self isolate isn’t a quarantine. The government isn’t taking charge of those travellers . The headline looks tough but just more spin.
If they're asking people to self isolate, then why bother?
All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens
How the F was this not done in February or March?
A shameful failure
It's worse than that.
Quarantining starts "at the end of May". So, in three weeks time when the problems are less severe, they'll implement it.
It literally makes no sense.
There must be 10,000 beds around Heathrow in airport hotels, maybe 20,000, and they're all empty.
It's really not complicated to put people there for two weeks.
Until the prevalence drops here, there is no benefit.
Haven't you noticed that we are the European hotspot?
Safer in Italy or Spain than London at present!
I know you are a medical man and I am a f******* idiot but your first statement makes no sense to me.
Surely an aircraft is a mobile petri dish, recirculating air shared between 200 people. who then disperse to all corners of the UK, some using public transport like the tube, sounds like a bad idea to me.
What percentage of UK cases have acquired it from foreign travel in April? My estimate is less than 1%.
If you want effective breaking of spread, then you have to determine where it is happening first. Test, Trace and Isolate those places first, then consider imported cases. Needs a reliable tracing app, and readily available testing first of course.
Thanks for the explanation.
I am not sure I want to believe that aircraft are safe. Once lockdown is over, my regular trips to Belfast will not be Bristol to Aldergrove, but Irish Ferries from Fishguard to Rosslare, with lashings of hand sanitiser, assuming it is available by then.
Aren't boats like the absolute overwhelming number one location for rona clusters?
3600 is hard to beat for the price, the 3800X is worth the extra if you're doing a lot of demanding work (video editing, rendering, etc). The i5 (and all i5s to be honest) is mostly an irrelevance now.
Just cycled through a medium-sized town of about 80,000 people (which I haven't visited for about 6 weeks). It was like a ghost town. About 2 or 3 cars on the road.
All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens
How the F was this not done in February or March?
A shameful failure
It's worse than that.
Quarantining starts "at the end of May". So, in three weeks time when the problems are less severe, they'll implement it.
It literally makes no sense.
There must be 10,000 beds around Heathrow in airport hotels, maybe 20,000, and they're all empty.
It's really not complicated to put people there for two weeks.
Until the prevalence drops here, there is no benefit.
Haven't you noticed that we are the European hotspot?
Safer in Italy or Spain than London at present!
I know you are a medical man and I am a f******* idiot but your first statement makes no sense to me.
Surely an aircraft is a mobile petri dish, recirculating air shared between 200 people. who then disperse to all corners of the UK, some using public transport like the tube, sounds like a bad idea to me.
What percentage of UK cases have acquired it from foreign travel in April? My estimate is less than 1%.
If you want effective breaking of spread, then you have to determine where it is happening first. Test, Trace and Isolate those places first, then consider imported cases. Needs a reliable tracing app, and readily available testing first of course.
Thanks for the explanation.
I am not sure I want to believe that aircraft are safe. Once lockdown is over, my regular trips to Belfast will not be Bristol to Aldergrove, but Irish Ferries from Fishguard to Rosslare, with lashings of hand sanitiser, assuming it is available by then.
Aren't boats like the absolute overwhelming number one location for rona clusters?
On one level - of which there are many - this sounds like an inadvertent stimulus plan. While overseas visitors were probably going to be scant anyway in the early summer, this'll prop up domestic tourism.
On the other hand, they might as well shutter Heathrow Terminal 5 with this. I pass through it daily and while its slowly coming back to life, it's practically a ghost town now.
"Coronavirus pandemic may have started in October, says UK-French study Joint study 'winds back the clock' of virus genetics and dates initial outbreak as early as October"
The choice we face is stark. One option is to maintain a general lockdown for an unknown amount of time until herd immunity is reached through a future vaccine or until there is a safe and effective treatment.
Another episode in the long-running series "people pretending South Korea and Taiwan don't exist".
Just cycled through a medium-sized town of about 80,000 people (which I haven't visited for about 6 weeks). It was like a ghost town. About 2 or 3 cars on the road.
Make your mind up man ... was it two or was it three cars?
Just cycled through a medium-sized town of about 80,000 people (which I haven't visited for about 6 weeks). It was like a ghost town. About 2 or 3 cars on the road.
Make your mind up man ... was it two or was it three cars?
This disease kills those who, a generation ago, would have been dead already. The numbers don't lie, this is a disease that is easily survivable by all but the unhealthiest of the economically active.
We have chosen to destroy our economy to save the lives of the economically inactive, in effect mortgaging the futures of the very young to save the very old.
The choice we face is stark. One option is to maintain a general lockdown for an unknown amount of time until herd immunity is reached through a future vaccine or until there is a safe and effective treatment.
Another episode in the long-running series "people pretending South Korea and Taiwan don't exist".
The report was one of a series of documents published by the Scientific Advisory Group on Emergencies (Sage) this week to mollify growing criticism about the lack of transparency over the advice given to ministers responding to the coronavirus.
However, large blocks of text in the report, produced by SPI-B, the Sage subcommittee providing advice from behavioural scientists on how the public might respond to lockdown measures, were entirely blanked out.
Several SPI–B members told the Guardian that the redacted portions of the document contained criticisms they had made of potential government policies they had been formally asked to consider in late March and early April.
One SPI-B adviser said: “It is bloody silly, and completely counterproductive.” A second committee member said: “The impression I’m getting is this government doesn’t want any criticism.”...
South Korea discovers that easing distancing measures isn’t simple.
South Korea on edge as Itaewon virus transmission hikes http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200508000723 ... A hike in the number of novel coronavirus patients linked to a club-goer in Itaewon, a nightlife district in Seoul, has put many South Koreans and health authorities on edge, officials said Friday.
The club-goer residing in Yongin, Gyeonggi Province is estimated to have come into contact with at least 1,500 people during his roughly four-hour long club hopping on May 2, sparking renewed health concerns over a potential mass infection amid the country’s transition to relaxed “everyday life quarantine” that began this week.
At least 13 people who came into contact with the 29-year-old club-goer have been confirmed with COVID-19 as of Friday. He is believed to be the initial source of infection, the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said.
Of the confirmed new patients, one showed to be the club-goer’s colleague and 12 were other club-goers, including three foreign nationals and one solider, health authorities said.
He and other clubbers did not have their masks on during their night out, leading health authorities to project more infections linked to Itaewon to surge in the coming days. So far, 15 people have been infected through the Yongin patient.
“The Yongin patient is not an imported infection, and people he came into contact with those at clubs in Itaewon make up the biggest portion,” KCDC Director-General Jeong Eun-kyeong said during a daily afternoon briefing on the contagion.
“A contact tracing is underway, as some could have been left out. Also the concerned municipality is also conducting contact tracing through a different route. The number of people that have come into contact (with the Yongin patient) is expected to rise continually.”
Jeong went on to urge those whose routes overlap with the Yongin patient to receive virus testing.
With more infections expected to emerge from the Itaewon case, nightclubs, bars and other entertainment businesses in the nightlife industry nationwide have been issued an administrative order instructing them to hold back on opening concerned facilities, effective on Friday at 8 p.m....
The report was one of a series of documents published by the Scientific Advisory Group on Emergencies (Sage) this week to mollify growing criticism about the lack of transparency over the advice given to ministers responding to the coronavirus.
However, large blocks of text in the report, produced by SPI-B, the Sage subcommittee providing advice from behavioural scientists on how the public might respond to lockdown measures, were entirely blanked out.
Several SPI–B members told the Guardian that the redacted portions of the document contained criticisms they had made of potential government policies they had been formally asked to consider in late March and early April.
One SPI-B adviser said: “It is bloody silly, and completely counterproductive.” A second committee member said: “The impression I’m getting is this government doesn’t want any criticism.”...
Scientists never agree. Guardian gets lefty scientist to complain. Non story.
The report was one of a series of documents published by the Scientific Advisory Group on Emergencies (Sage) this week to mollify growing criticism about the lack of transparency over the advice given to ministers responding to the coronavirus.
However, large blocks of text in the report, produced by SPI-B, the Sage subcommittee providing advice from behavioural scientists on how the public might respond to lockdown measures, were entirely blanked out.
Several SPI–B members told the Guardian that the redacted portions of the document contained criticisms they had made of potential government policies they had been formally asked to consider in late March and early April.
One SPI-B adviser said: “It is bloody silly, and completely counterproductive.” A second committee member said: “The impression I’m getting is this government doesn’t want any criticism.”...
Scientists never agree. Guardian gets lefty scientist to complain. Non story.
Surely an aircraft is a mobile petri dish, recirculating air shared between 200 people ....
The recirculating air itself isn't a problem iirc - it goes through a hepa filter every couple of minutes, which will catch cv19. No help if somebody sneezes on you directly of course.
Bless you!
A few yrs back i was on a olane to majorca. Up front there was someone coughing hhh hhh every minute or so. I was in the rear seats. I got to my holiday and within a vouple if hrs i was coughing just like the perso up front was. It ruined my holiday and a week after that.. i don't think i will be trusting a hepa filter any time soon .....
The report was one of a series of documents published by the Scientific Advisory Group on Emergencies (Sage) this week to mollify growing criticism about the lack of transparency over the advice given to ministers responding to the coronavirus.
However, large blocks of text in the report, produced by SPI-B, the Sage subcommittee providing advice from behavioural scientists on how the public might respond to lockdown measures, were entirely blanked out.
Several SPI–B members told the Guardian that the redacted portions of the document contained criticisms they had made of potential government policies they had been formally asked to consider in late March and early April.
One SPI-B adviser said: “It is bloody silly, and completely counterproductive.” A second committee member said: “The impression I’m getting is this government doesn’t want any criticism.”...
Scientists never agree. Guardian gets lefty scientist to complain. Non story.
The report was one of a series of documents published by the Scientific Advisory Group on Emergencies (Sage) this week to mollify growing criticism about the lack of transparency over the advice given to ministers responding to the coronavirus.
However, large blocks of text in the report, produced by SPI-B, the Sage subcommittee providing advice from behavioural scientists on how the public might respond to lockdown measures, were entirely blanked out.
Several SPI–B members told the Guardian that the redacted portions of the document contained criticisms they had made of potential government policies they had been formally asked to consider in late March and early April.
One SPI-B adviser said: “It is bloody silly, and completely counterproductive.” A second committee member said: “The impression I’m getting is this government doesn’t want any criticism.”...
Scientists never agree. Guardian gets lefty scientist to complain. Non story.
Sure. “We follow ‘the science’.”
And then redact it.
Which science?. .. or Scientist.. I doubt there is agreement on that committee or any committe for that matter.
Just cycled through a medium-sized town of about 80,000 people (which I haven't visited for about 6 weeks). It was like a ghost town. About 2 or 3 cars on the road.
Make your mind up man ... was it two or was it three cars?
Good morning everyone. While on my walk yesterday I observed, and spoke to (from 2+m) what were very obviously a couple of visitors to the small town where I live. Asking about historic sites in the town.
No I didn't shout at them to go away; I answered their questions in a civilised fashion.
Just cycled through a medium-sized town of about 80,000 people (which I haven't visited for about 6 weeks). It was like a ghost town. About 2 or 3 cars on the road.
Make your mind up man ... was it two or was it three cars?
Good morning everyone. While on my walk yesterday I observed, and spoke to (from 2+m) what were very obviously a couple of visitors to the small town where I live. Asking about historic sites in the town.
No I didn't shout at them to go away; I answered their questions in a civilised fashion.
Most people are polite and reasonable to you in person.
Of course, there are some who then secretly go on to make a private call to the rozzers after..
Just cycled through a medium-sized town of about 80,000 people (which I haven't visited for about 6 weeks). It was like a ghost town. About 2 or 3 cars on the road.
Make your mind up man ... was it two or was it three cars?
Good morning everyone. While on my walk yesterday I observed, and spoke to (from 2+m) what were very obviously a couple of visitors to the small town where I live. Asking about historic sites in the town.
No I didn't shout at them to go away; I answered their questions in a civilised fashion.
I live close to a local attraction. Yesterday there were picnickers and a couple who looked far too young to be married but who were very definitely not socially distancing.
The report was one of a series of documents published by the Scientific Advisory Group on Emergencies (Sage) this week to mollify growing criticism about the lack of transparency over the advice given to ministers responding to the coronavirus.
However, large blocks of text in the report, produced by SPI-B, the Sage subcommittee providing advice from behavioural scientists on how the public might respond to lockdown measures, were entirely blanked out.
Several SPI–B members told the Guardian that the redacted portions of the document contained criticisms they had made of potential government policies they had been formally asked to consider in late March and early April.
One SPI-B adviser said: “It is bloody silly, and completely counterproductive.” A second committee member said: “The impression I’m getting is this government doesn’t want any criticism.”...
It would surely play out well for the government that they were interested in restricting rules on time exercising, fill in forms to leave the house and fine people more.
People who either want them to follow the scientists or a looser lockdown will be pleased the ideas got rejected by the group (and I think each call by the group not to follow the French/Spanish processes was correct).
And those who wanted the lockdown stricter will know the govt was on their side but overruled by those liberal experts.
Can only guess the redaction is specifically down to Cumming's involvement in the process?
Just cycled through a medium-sized town of about 80,000 people (which I haven't visited for about 6 weeks). It was like a ghost town. About 2 or 3 cars on the road.
Make your mind up man ... was it two or was it three cars?
Good morning everyone. While on my walk yesterday I observed, and spoke to (from 2+m) what were very obviously a couple of visitors to the small town where I live. Asking about historic sites in the town.
No I didn't shout at them to go away; I answered their questions in a civilised fashion.
Most people are polite and reasonable to you in person.
Of course, there are some who then secretly go on to make a private call to the rozzers after..
LOL. No, I didn't do that either. Whether or not they were formally a couple I don't know.
South Korea discovers that easing distancing measures isn’t simple.
South Korea on edge as Itaewon virus transmission hikes http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200508000723 ... A hike in the number of novel coronavirus patients linked to a club-goer in Itaewon, a nightlife district in Seoul, has put many South Koreans and health authorities on edge, officials said Friday.
The club-goer residing in Yongin, Gyeonggi Province is estimated to have come into contact with at least 1,500 people during his roughly four-hour long club hopping on May 2, sparking renewed health concerns over a potential mass infection amid the country’s transition to relaxed “everyday life quarantine” that began this week.
At least 13 people who came into contact with the 29-year-old club-goer have been confirmed with COVID-19 as of Friday. He is believed to be the initial source of infection, the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said.
Of the confirmed new patients, one showed to be the club-goer’s colleague and 12 were other club-goers, including three foreign nationals and one solider, health authorities said.
He and other clubbers did not have their masks on during their night out, leading health authorities to project more infections linked to Itaewon to surge in the coming days. So far, 15 people have been infected through the Yongin patient.
“The Yongin patient is not an imported infection, and people he came into contact with those at clubs in Itaewon make up the biggest portion,” KCDC Director-General Jeong Eun-kyeong said during a daily afternoon briefing on the contagion.
“A contact tracing is underway, as some could have been left out. Also the concerned municipality is also conducting contact tracing through a different route. The number of people that have come into contact (with the Yongin patient) is expected to rise continually.”
Jeong went on to urge those whose routes overlap with the Yongin patient to receive virus testing.
With more infections expected to emerge from the Itaewon case, nightclubs, bars and other entertainment businesses in the nightlife industry nationwide have been issued an administrative order instructing them to hold back on opening concerned facilities, effective on Friday at 8 p.m....
Trump's schtick has utterly fallen apart under the spotlight of Covid-19.
Doesn't know what is required of him? Doesn't care? It holds a certain morbid fascination: just how much worse can his response get? And at what point does self-awareness kick in?
Surely an aircraft is a mobile petri dish, recirculating air shared between 200 people ....
The recirculating air itself isn't a problem iirc - it goes through a hepa filter every couple of minutes, which will catch cv19. No help if somebody sneezes on you directly of course.
Bless you!
A few yrs back i was on a olane to majorca. Up front there was someone coughing hhh hhh every minute or so. I was in the rear seats. I got to my holiday and within a vouple if hrs i was coughing just like the perso up front was. It ruined my holiday and a week after that.. i don't think i will be trusting a hepa filter any time soon .....
Are there any diseases that get from infection to symptoms that fast???
Trump's schtick has utterly fallen apart under the spotlight of Covid-19.
Doesn't know what is required of him? Doesn't care? It holds a certain morbid fascination: just how much worse can his response get? And at what point does self-awareness kick in?
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"And the Award for Cheeriest Chap of 2020 goes to....."
Garden Centres are a very logical place to start, that will minimise economic damage, because
1 - £25 billion turnover sector.
2 - 40 million plus people shop there each year.
3 - Usually large premises, with outside space. Social distancing is easier to maintain, and the business can be operated outside.
4 - Importantly they are in the middle of their heavy business period from April to June/July. I am not sure of the exact numbers, but it could be half of annual turnover, like toy shops and Christmas. Billions of product that is sold in spring coming in before the lockdown which will have to be scrapped if it is not sold soon.
If you want effective breaking of spread, then you have to determine where it is happening first. Test, Trace and Isolate those places first, then consider imported cases. Needs a reliable tracing app, and readily available testing first of course.
What's remarkable to think about as well is that roughly this time last year there was a poll suggesting Change UK would get a fifth of the vote share the Tories would get.
Having said all that, you won't see me on a flight anytime soon, and I'd much prefer they were quarantined.
I am not sure I want to believe that aircraft are safe. Once lockdown is over, my regular trips to Belfast will not be Bristol to Aldergrove, but Irish Ferries from Fishguard to Rosslare, with lashings of hand sanitiser, assuming it is available by then.
There was a scientific study posted here earlier showing there were no known outbreaks traced back to transmission on a flight (as opposed to someone contagious who had flown).
https://twitter.com/Johnny_suputama/status/1258786799851376641
Indeed, I think that asymptomatic health and social care workers are probably the main mode of transmission now. Intra-household spread is probably now burnt out.
Looks like the Govt is going for an eradication policy.
Eradication of the economy.
Anyway as I've said frequently in recent years I tore up my membership when Theresa May was elected. I despise her xenophobia.
My vote and the vote of millions of other Tories for BXP did more for the Tory party than your nodding dog endorsement of Theresa May did last year.
I quit the party because of May being elected and her xenophobia, I voted BXP because May was not just someone I didn't respect but had failed on Brexit and everything else too and needed to go and go now. Voting BXP was the only way to send that protest mesage - without risking Farage or anyone else insane actually becoming an MP in Parliament.
Like it or not you voted for Farage, if you wanted to make a protest vote against May you could have just stayed home and not voted Tory. Instead you cast a ballot for Farage
JFK is the biggy right now in my book though.
Grow up and smell the roses. I recognised this as an absurd pointless election that should never have taken place and cast my ballot appropriately leading to a leadership election Boris could win.
You did your nodding dog trick and endorsed Theresa May.
I am comfortable saying I never voted for Farage but did still vote for and campaign for the Boris general election victory last December
You may have voted for Boris but that's meaningless. You voted for May, Remain, IDS and whoever else too. You don't think for yourself, you just do the same thing every time.
Most Tories I know deliberately didn't vote for May's Tories this time last year and the plan worked.
They're merely recommending those that arrive self quarantine. They might as well not bother.
Nor did I campaign that election, unusually for me. I disliked all parties but had to vote for someone I view it as my civic duty.
In the UK, you go where you like, and there is a tiny possibility that the police check on you.
I must admit, it's all a bit of farce. Come the end of May, most of Europe will be well over the worst of CV-19. Flights will start returning. Borders will start opening. So maybe this kind of "sort of quarantine" thing works.
Surely it makes sense to segment according to risk. That also makes it a lot easier to change later. Countries are slowly moved from Tier Four (no entrance at all) to Tier One (no quarantine required) as new information comes in.
On the other hand, they might as well shutter Heathrow Terminal 5 with this. I pass through it daily and while its slowly coming back to life, it's practically a ghost town now.
U.S. Field Hospitals Stand Down, Most Without Treating Any COVID-19 Patients
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/07/851712311/u-s-field-hospitals-stand-down-most-without-treating-any-covid-19-patients
This article was written by a professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School.
"Delaying herd immunity is costing lives
The current lockdown is protecting the healthy instead of the vulnerable.
Martin Kulldorff"
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/04/29/delaying-herd-immunity-is-costing-lives/
"Coronavirus pandemic may have started in October, says UK-French study
Joint study 'winds back the clock' of virus genetics and dates initial outbreak as early as October"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/08/covid-19-pandemic-may-have-started-october-says-uk-french-study
We have chosen to destroy our economy to save the lives of the economically inactive, in effect mortgaging the futures of the very young to save the very old.
It's a view.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/08/revealed-uk-scientists-fury-over-attempt-to-censor-covid-19-advice
... Government scientific advisers are furious at what they see as an attempt to censor their advice on government proposals during the Covid-19 lockdown by heavily redacting an official report before it was released to the public, the Guardian can reveal.
The report was one of a series of documents published by the Scientific Advisory Group on Emergencies (Sage) this week to mollify growing criticism about the lack of transparency over the advice given to ministers responding to the coronavirus.
However, large blocks of text in the report, produced by SPI-B, the Sage subcommittee providing advice from behavioural scientists on how the public might respond to lockdown measures, were entirely blanked out.
Several SPI–B members told the Guardian that the redacted portions of the document contained criticisms they had made of potential government policies they had been formally asked to consider in late March and early April.
One SPI-B adviser said: “It is bloody silly, and completely counterproductive.” A second committee member said: “The impression I’m getting is this government doesn’t want any criticism.”...
South Korea on edge as Itaewon virus transmission hikes
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200508000723
... A hike in the number of novel coronavirus patients linked to a club-goer in Itaewon, a nightlife district in Seoul, has put many South Koreans and health authorities on edge, officials said Friday.
The club-goer residing in Yongin, Gyeonggi Province is estimated to have come into contact with at least 1,500 people during his roughly four-hour long club hopping on May 2, sparking renewed health concerns over a potential mass infection amid the country’s transition to relaxed “everyday life quarantine” that began this week.
At least 13 people who came into contact with the 29-year-old club-goer have been confirmed with COVID-19 as of Friday. He is believed to be the initial source of infection, the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said.
Of the confirmed new patients, one showed to be the club-goer’s colleague and 12 were other club-goers, including three foreign nationals and one solider, health authorities said.
He and other clubbers did not have their masks on during their night out, leading health authorities to project more infections linked to Itaewon to surge in the coming days. So far, 15 people have been infected through the Yongin patient.
“The Yongin patient is not an imported infection, and people he came into contact with those at clubs in Itaewon make up the biggest portion,” KCDC Director-General Jeong Eun-kyeong said during a daily afternoon briefing on the contagion.
“A contact tracing is underway, as some could have been left out. Also the concerned municipality is also conducting contact tracing through a different route. The number of people that have come into contact (with the Yongin patient) is expected to rise continually.”
Jeong went on to urge those whose routes overlap with the Yongin patient to receive virus testing.
With more infections expected to emerge from the Itaewon case, nightclubs, bars and other entertainment businesses in the nightlife industry nationwide have been issued an administrative order instructing them to hold back on opening concerned facilities, effective on Friday at 8 p.m....
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1258853971164368896
And then redact it.
While on my walk yesterday I observed, and spoke to (from 2+m) what were very obviously a couple of visitors to the small town where I live. Asking about historic sites in the town.
No I didn't shout at them to go away; I answered their questions in a civilised fashion.
Of course, there are some who then secretly go on to make a private call to the rozzers after..
Look forward to Saturday morning especially for his pieces.
I can’t see any harm in any of that.
People who either want them to follow the scientists or a looser lockdown will be pleased the ideas got rejected by the group (and I think each call by the group not to follow the French/Spanish processes was correct).
And those who wanted the lockdown stricter will know the govt was on their side but overruled by those liberal experts.
Can only guess the redaction is specifically down to Cumming's involvement in the process?
https://us.cnn.com/2020/05/09/politics/us-leadership-coronavirus-intl/index.html
Doesn't know what is required of him? Doesn't care? It holds a certain morbid fascination: just how much worse can his response get? And at what point does self-awareness kick in?