They said there was a plan B already. And this sack anyone who makes a mistake or does a u turn mentality is part of what is wrong with this country. It's why decisions take months or years to make with committee after committee after committee never bloody getting anything done.
Just bloody do what you think is right and if it's wrong learn from your mistake so you don't make it again. That's the right attitude.
A good quote someone working for a multinational once said to me was he realised he'd made a mistake that would cost his company a million dollars. He informed his boss and said he'd hand in his resignation for the mistake. The boss said "why would I want you to resign? I've just spent a million dollars training you."
That's a well-known (good) story, so I wonder if it really happened to your particular acquaintance, but maybe his boss had hear the story and decided to reuse it.
I agree with you most of the time, on one condition - you recognise that you've made a mistake. Ideally, you acknowledge it and explain what you're doing to avoid repeating it. If you merely say you did everything right, and now you're going to carry on doing everything right, it's difficult to have much confidence that you've actually understood.
At my last interview for my current job, I was asked to give an example of a line management problem that I'd solved. I gave an example of when I'd actually made the wrong decision, and what I'd done about it and learned from it. I was told later that the panel liked that - they weren't looking for impervious perfection, but for people who react to crises and change, without putting up a front.
According to Guido a few weeks ago, Arron Banks and Darren Grimes are seriously looking at a private prosecution against the Electoral Commission. Get the popcorn ready for that one!
Ah, Guido...
I'll give £20 to your favourite charity if that comes to pass.
Banks and Guido are pretty close, AIUI.
My 'charity' can be this site's app development fund
I said if the first didn't work they would just switch to the second. Not the end of the world.
Yes because that's just the sort of government we want. Blundering on wasting time in the face of obvious deficiencies until forced into a U-turn. Especially now.
Yes that is the sort of government we want. Cracking straight on with things not wasting time dithering to decide and not being embarrassed about "u-turns" if a wrong move is made. Especially now.
They could have spent a few weeks or months in committee trying to figure out every possible problem or just crack on and within 24 hours of these problems being highlighted they said there was a Plan B now it's confirmed they're working on Plan B.
Or they could have listened to the tech industry three weeks ago and we'd have the app ready to go using the correct approach.
Who in the tech industry do you listen to? They listened to some in the tech industry who said they could get it to work then when others in the tech industry said it wouldn't they started working on Plan B.
If they'd ignored the warnings and had no Plan B then yes I'd be more concerned.
There is no plan b, when are you going to get it through your skull. They are only starting to concept the correct approach. That means at least three weeks until we get a beta test. This is a new plan a. This isn't a political argument where there's no real right answer, the people who were touting the original method are simply incompetent yes men. There is only one method that is viable, it's the pathway provided by the OS developers to hook into the system management of Bluetooth. Anyone who said we can get two unknown devices to reliably handshake via a third party app using BLE is an incompetent fool or more dangerously a fantasist.
We've had weeks of ignored warnings from the tech industry. Hopefully there's a proper investigation and everyone involved gets the sack.
They said there was a plan B already. And this sack anyone who makes a mistake or does a u turn mentality is part of what is wrong with this country. It's why decisions take months or years to make with committee after committee after committee never bloody getting anything done.
Just bloody do what you think is right and if it's wrong learn from your mistake so you don't make it again. That's the right attitude.
A good quote someone working for a multinational once said to me was he realised he'd made a mistake that would cost his company a million dollars. He informed his boss and said he'd hand in his resignation for the mistake. The boss said "why would I want you to resign? I've just spent a million dollars training you."
Except this is not that situation, the people involved went against industry advice, now they have to pay for that.
They went with industry contractors who said they can make it work. As did many other nations.
If the contractors were wrong so badly then don't pay them.
No, they provided a spec to a code house who built an app for them to the spec. The spec was all in house by public sector tech workers. The development of this app was done in two parts which was the original error. One side ignored all of the industry warnings and specced a design, then handed it off to a third party because they probably don't have people who can code in Swift. Again, it's classic public sector approach, "let's make an impossible spec and then blame the private sector who couldn't deliver it."
All we get on here is anecdotes about care homes. We have an obsession with those at the end of their lives.
We never have anecdotes about younger workers completely frustrated by this policy who consider themselves responsible enough not to mix with older folk and do not see why they cannot go back to living their lives.
Lives that are being completely ruined by a completely avoidable long lock down. They face effective imprisonment now, and long term penury, debt and poor life and health outcomes for their futures.
They have been stripped of their human rights to work, meet, move freely in their own country and socialise. Stripped not by an invading power but by their own government. Their education has been junked and there are no indications as to when it might start again.
At every turn in our country the young have been exploited, sacrificed and mortgaged in favour of a group of people who have largely lived a length of time unheard of in the past. People who, even forty years ago, simply wouldn;t be with us. And we not talking about all of these people .
They said there was a plan B already. And this sack anyone who makes a mistake or does a u turn mentality is part of what is wrong with this country. It's why decisions take months or years to make with committee after committee after committee never bloody getting anything done.
Just bloody do what you think is right and if it's wrong learn from your mistake so you don't make it again. That's the right attitude.
A good quote someone working for a multinational once said to me was he realised he'd made a mistake that would cost his company a million dollars. He informed his boss and said he'd hand in his resignation for the mistake. The boss said "why would I want you to resign? I've just spent a million dollars training you."
That's a well-known (good) story, so I wonder if it really happened to your particular acquaintance, but maybe his boss had hear the story and decided to reuse it.
I agree with you most of the time, on one condition - you recognise that you've made a mistake. Ideally, you acknowledge it and explain what you're doing to avoid repeating it. If you merely say you did everything right, and now you're going to carry on doing everything right, it's difficult to have much confidence that you've actually understood.
At my last interview for my current job, I was asked to give an example of a line management problem that I'd solved. I gave an example of when I'd actually made the wrong decision, and what I'd done about it and learned from it. I was told later that the panel liked that - they weren't looking for impervious perfection, but for people who react to crises and change, without putting up a front.
Did this wrong decision involve supporting Jeremy Corbyn by any chance?
I said if the first didn't work they would just switch to the second. Not the end of the world.
Yes because that's just the sort of government we want. Blundering on wasting time in the face of obvious deficiencies until forced into a U-turn. Especially now.
Yes that is the sort of government we want. Cracking straight on with things not wasting time dithering to decide and not being embarrassed about "u-turns" if a wrong move is made. Especially now.
They could have spent a few weeks or months in committee trying to figure out every possible problem or just crack on and within 24 hours of these problems being highlighted they said there was a Plan B now it's confirmed they're working on Plan B.
Or they could have listened to the tech industry three weeks ago and we'd have the app ready to go using the correct approach.
Who in the tech industry do you listen to? They listened to some in the tech industry who said they could get it to work then when others in the tech industry said it wouldn't they started working on Plan B.
If they'd ignored the warnings and had no Plan B then yes I'd be more concerned.
There is no plan b, when are you going to get it through your skull. They are only starting to concept the correct approach. That means at least three weeks until we get a beta test. This is a new plan a. This isn't a political argument where there's no real right answer, the people who were touting the original method are simply incompetent yes men. There is only one method that is viable, it's the pathway provided by the OS developers to hook into the system management of Bluetooth. Anyone who said we can get two unknown devices to reliably handshake via a third party app using BLE is an incompetent fool or more dangerously a fantasist.
We've had weeks of ignored warnings from the tech industry. Hopefully there's a proper investigation and everyone involved gets the sack.
They said there was a plan B already. And this sack anyone who makes a mistake or does a u turn mentality is part of what is wrong with this country. It's why decisions take months or years to make with committee after committee after committee never bloody getting anything done.
Just bloody do what you think is right and if it's wrong learn from your mistake so you don't make it again. That's the right attitude.
A good quote someone working for a multinational once said to me was he realised he'd made a mistake that would cost his company a million dollars. He informed his boss and said he'd hand in his resignation for the mistake. The boss said "why would I want you to resign? I've just spent a million dollars training you."
Except this is not that situation, the people involved went against industry advice, now they have to pay for that.
They went with industry contractors who said they can make it work. As did many other nations.
If the contractors were wrong so badly then don't pay them.
No, they provided a spec to a code house who built an app for them to the spec. The spec was all in house by public sector tech workers. The development of this app was done in two parts which was the original error. One side ignored all of the industry warnings and specced a design, then handed it off to a third party because they probably don't have people who can code in Swift. Again, it's classic public sector approach, "let's make an impossible spec and then blame the private sector who couldn't deliver it."
Surely the spec should include that it works?
If the spec says "exchange Bluetooth codes" and that's not possible why build an app to that spec and not say "we can't make that work"?
I said if the first didn't work they would just switch to the second. Not the end of the world.
Yes because that's just the sort of government we want. Blundering on wasting time in the face of obvious deficiencies until forced into a U-turn. Especially now.
Yes that is the sort of government we want. Cracking straight on with things not wasting time dithering to decide and not being embarrassed about "u-turns" if a wrong move is made. Especially now.
They could have spent a few weeks or months in committee trying to figure out every possible problem or just crack on and within 24 hours of these problems being highlighted they said there was a Plan B now it's confirmed they're working on Plan B.
We need a competent government.
If two random posters on PB get it instantly what do you think that says about the government's competence?
You of all people I didn't expect to give the govt such a free pass. But I appreciate the virus has addled people's brains as well as the bodies of those directly affected.
I don't give the government a free pass. I think they're working spinning many plates in a fast moving environment. Mistakes will be made inevitably especially when it comes to IT. If someone says something can work I can see why they'd go with it and if someone else says it can't but it's already been developed by now then the logical thing to do is test it while simultaneously working on a Plan B.
I don't see a great difference between this and the failed antibody tests. Sometimes things don't work out but you need to be trying.
If you never make mistakes you aren't trying to do enough!
I don't think that cuts it right now. When working out how high the pasty tax should be or whether Jaffa Cakes are a cake or a biscuit (biscuit) that's fine.
Partly not their fault because governments for decades have been spin machines designed to perpetuate themselves rather than benefit us lot but also their fault because when it matters (and it matters now) they need to get the big calls right and so far it appears they have failed to do so.
But as some of us have been saying for some time, this government, and in particular this Prime Minister, is simply not cut out for a proper local crisis which affects British people in the UK. And so it seems to be proving.
I think it cuts it now more than ever. There's less time for deliberation or committees so more mistakes will be made. A refusal to u turn when mistakes are made would be far far worse.
I'd rather a government trying it's best willing to fail and move on than a sclerotic behemoth only doing what is right after the 30th committee gives it the green light.
The correct way would have been to have two teams run the two solutions in parallel, then decide which one to use after testing. Unusually, money wasn't a problem, and neither was finding developers who are all somewhat quieter than usual to do the work.
The issue wasn't the speed of the decision-making, which as you say has been fast, the issue was putting all the eggs in one basket - then leaving them there, as it became more and more obvious that the chosen solution was going to have serious technical issues.
They said there was a plan B already. And this sack anyone who makes a mistake or does a u turn mentality is part of what is wrong with this country. It's why decisions take months or years to make with committee after committee after committee never bloody getting anything done.
Just bloody do what you think is right and if it's wrong learn from your mistake so you don't make it again. That's the right attitude.
A good quote someone working for a multinational once said to me was he realised he'd made a mistake that would cost his company a million dollars. He informed his boss and said he'd hand in his resignation for the mistake. The boss said "why would I want you to resign? I've just spent a million dollars training you."
That's a well-known (good) story, so I wonder if it really happened to your particular acquaintance, but maybe his boss had hear the story and decided to reuse it.
I agree with you most of the time, on one condition - you recognise that you've made a mistake. Ideally, you acknowledge it and explain what you're doing to avoid repeating it. If you merely say you did everything right, and now you're going to carry on doing everything right, it's difficult to have much confidence that you've actually understood.
At my last interview for my current job, I was asked to give an example of a line management problem that I'd solved. I gave an example of when I'd actually made the wrong decision, and what I'd done about it and learned from it. I was told later that the panel liked that - they weren't looking for impervious perfection, but for people who react to crises and change, without putting up a front.
Did this wrong decision involve supporting Jeremy Corbyn by any chance?
I said if the first didn't work they would just switch to the second. Not the end of the world.
Yes because that's just the sort of government we want. Blundering on wasting time in the face of obvious deficiencies until forced into a U-turn. Especially now.
Yes that is the sort of government we want. Cracking straight on with things not wasting time dithering to decide and not being embarrassed about "u-turns" if a wrong move is made. Especially now.
They could have spent a few weeks or months in committee trying to figure out every possible problem or just crack on and within 24 hours of these problems being highlighted they said there was a Plan B now it's confirmed they're working on Plan B.
Or they could have listened to the tech industry three weeks ago and we'd have the app ready to go using the correct approach.
Who in the tech industry do you listen to? They listened to some in the tech industry who said they could get it to work then when others in the tech industry said it wouldn't they started working on Plan B.
If they'd ignored the warnings and had no Plan B then yes I'd be more concerned.
There is no plan b, when are you going to get it through your skull. They are only starting to concept the correct approach. That means at least three weeks until we get a beta test. This is a new plan a. This isn't a political argument where there's no real right answer, the people who were touting the original method are simply incompetent yes men. There is only one method that is viable, it's the pathway provided by the OS developers to hook into the system management of Bluetooth. Anyone who said we can get two unknown devices to reliably handshake via a third party app using BLE is an incompetent fool or more dangerously a fantasist.
We've had weeks of ignored warnings from the tech industry. Hopefully there's a proper investigation and everyone involved gets the sack.
They said there was a plan B already. And this sack anyone who makes a mistake or does a u turn mentality is part of what is wrong with this country. It's why decisions take months or years to make with committee after committee after committee never bloody getting anything done.
Just bloody do what you think is right and if it's wrong learn from your mistake so you don't make it again. That's the right attitude.
A good quote someone working for a multinational once said to me was he realised he'd made a mistake that would cost his company a million dollars. He informed his boss and said he'd hand in his resignation for the mistake. The boss said "why would I want you to resign? I've just spent a million dollars training you."
Except this is not that situation, the people involved went against industry advice, now they have to pay for that.
They went with industry contractors who said they can make it work. As did many other nations.
If the contractors were wrong so badly then don't pay them.
No, they provided a spec to a code house who built an app for them to the spec. The spec was all in house by public sector tech workers. The development of this app was done in two parts which was the original error. One side ignored all of the industry warnings and specced a design, then handed it off to a third party because they probably don't have people who can code in Swift. Again, it's classic public sector approach, "let's make an impossible spec and then blame the private sector who couldn't deliver it."
Surely the spec should include that it works?
If the spec says "exchange Bluetooth codes" and that's not possible why build an app to that spec and not say "we can't make that work"?
The spec included the hacky way of using Android phones as a keep-alive for iOS. The third party built to the spec. The spec was just shite. What part of that aren't you understanding?
All we get on here is anecdotes about care homes. We have an obsession with those at the end of their lives.
We never have anecdotes about younger workers completely frustrated by this policy who consider themselves responsible enough not to mix with older folk and do not see why they cannot go back to living their lives.
Lives that are being completely ruined by a completely avoidable long lock down. They face effective imprisonment now, and long term penury, debt and poor life and health outcomes for their futures.
They have been stripped of their human rights to work, meet, move freely in their own country and socialise. Stripped not by an invading power but by their own government. Their education has been junked and there are no indications as to when it might start again.
At every turn in our country the young have been exploited, sacrificed and mortgaged in favour of a group of people who have largely lived a length of time unheard of in the past. People who, even forty years ago, simply wouldn;t be with us. And we not talking about all of these people .
Just a subset who are very ill.
Because there aren't young people who are so confined. There are young people who don't want to be responsible for killing their loved elders. The young support this policy.
According to Guido a few weeks ago, Arron Banks and Darren Grimes are seriously looking at a private prosecution against the Electoral Commission. Get the popcorn ready for that one!
Ah, Guido...
I'll give £20 to your favourite charity if that comes to pass.
Banks and Guido are pretty close, AIUI.
My 'charity' can be this site's app development fund
Banks is possibly vain and rich and arrogant enough to do it, but most people's reaction would be, good, they didn't find any dirt, let's not go through a whole new process of examining the search for that dirt.
I’m late to the party on units so I won’t rehash what others have said. Interesting that temperature is the one quantity where no one ever goes with the SI unit though.
I said if the first didn't work they would just switch to the second. Not the end of the world.
Yes because that's just the sort of government we want. Blundering on wasting time in the face of obvious deficiencies until forced into a U-turn. Especially now.
Yes that is the sort of government we want. Cracking straight on with things not wasting time dithering to decide and not being embarrassed about "u-turns" if a wrong move is made. Especially now.
They could have spent a few weeks or months in committee trying to figure out every possible problem or just crack on and within 24 hours of these problems being highlighted they said there was a Plan B now it's confirmed they're working on Plan B.
We need a competent government.
If two random posters on PB get it instantly what do you think that says about the government's competence?
You of all people I didn't expect to give the govt such a free pass. But I appreciate the virus has addled people's brains as well as the bodies of those directly affected.
I don't give the government a free pass. I think they're working spinning many plates in a fast moving environment. Mistakes will be made inevitably especially when it comes to IT. If someone says something can work I can see why they'd go with it and if someone else says it can't but it's already been developed by now then the logical thing to do is test it while simultaneously working on a Plan B.
I don't see a great difference between this and the failed antibody tests. Sometimes things don't work out but you need to be trying.
If you never make mistakes you aren't trying to do enough!
I don't think that cuts it right now. When working out how high the pasty tax should be or whether Jaffa Cakes are a cake or a biscuit (biscuit) that's fine.
Partly not their fault because governments for decades have been spin machines designed to perpetuate themselves rather than benefit us lot but also their fault because when it matters (and it matters now) they need to get the big calls right and so far it appears they have failed to do so.
But as some of us have been saying for some time, this government, and in particular this Prime Minister, is simply not cut out for a proper local crisis which affects British people in the UK. And so it seems to be proving.
I think it cuts it now more than ever. There's less time for deliberation or committees so more mistakes will be made. A refusal to u turn when mistakes are made would be far far worse.
I'd rather a government trying it's best willing to fail and move on than a sclerotic behemoth only doing what is right after the 30th committee gives it the green light.
The correct way would have been to have two teams run the two solutions in parallel, then decide which one to use after testing. Unusually, money wasn't a problem, and neither was finding developers who are all somewhat quieter than usual to do the work.
The issue wasn't the speed of the decision-making, which as you say has been fast, the issue was putting all the eggs in one basket - then leaving them there, as it became more and more obvious that the chosen solution was going to have serious technical issues.
Tbh, the minute they had to include using Android devices as a keep-alive in the spec it should have set huge alarm bells ringing. The first thing I would have said in that meeting is "what if there aren't any android phones in the vicinity?" it's literally question one and it doesn't seem to have been asked let alone answered.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52584774 Biden's accuser ups the ante. Can't see it stops the nomination but it's got to hit his support among women in November. Mind you, they can't really support the p***y grabber either.
I’m late to the party on units so I won’t rehash what others have said. Interesting that temperature is the one quantity where no one ever goes with the SI unit though.
Edit: actually you can add weight to that.
Really? I would have said pounds are more popular than kilograms.
According to Guido a few weeks ago, Arron Banks and Darren Grimes are seriously looking at a private prosecution against the Electoral Commission. Get the popcorn ready for that one!
Ah, Guido...
I'll give £20 to your favourite charity if that comes to pass.
Banks and Guido are pretty close, AIUI.
My 'charity' can be this site's app development fund
most people's reaction would be, good, they didn't find any dirt, let's not go through a whole new process of examining the search for that dirt.
Here's the thread on the "two locked iPhones can't talk to each other" problem. It's a random tech bro who has started it not anyone from the dev team.
I said if the first didn't work they would just switch to the second. Not the end of the world.
Yes because that's just the sort of government we want. Blundering on wasting time in the face of obvious deficiencies until forced into a U-turn. Especially now.
Yes that is the sort of government we want. Cracking straight on with things not wasting time dithering to decide and not being embarrassed about "u-turns" if a wrong move is made. Especially now.
They could have spent a few weeks or months in committee trying to figure out every possible problem or just crack on and within 24 hours of these problems being highlighted they said there was a Plan B now it's confirmed they're working on Plan B.
Or they could have listened to the tech industry three weeks ago and we'd have the app ready to go using the correct approach.
Who in the tech industry do you listen to? They listened to some in the tech industry who said they could get it to work then when others in the tech industry said it wouldn't they started working on Plan B.
If they'd ignored the warnings and had no Plan B then yes I'd be more concerned.
There is no plan b, when are you going to get it through your skull. They are only starting to concept the correct approach. That means at least three weeks until we get a beta test. This is a new plan a. This isn't a political argument where there's no real right answer, the people who were touting the original method are simply incompetent yes men. There is only one method that is viable, it's the pathway provided by the OS developers to hook into the system management of Bluetooth. Anyone who said we can get two unknown devices to reliably handshake via a third party app using BLE is an incompetent fool or more dangerously a fantasist.
We've had weeks of ignored warnings from the tech industry. Hopefully there's a proper investigation and everyone involved gets the sack.
They said there was a plan B already. And this sack anyone who makes a mistake or does a u turn mentality is part of what is wrong with this country. It's why decisions take months or years to make with committee after committee after committee never bloody getting anything done.
Just bloody do what you think is right and if it's wrong learn from your mistake so you don't make it again. That's the right attitude.
A good quote someone working for a multinational once said to me was he realised he'd made a mistake that would cost his company a million dollars. He informed his boss and said he'd hand in his resignation for the mistake. The boss said "why would I want you to resign? I've just spent a million dollars training you."
Except this is not that situation, the people involved went against industry advice, now they have to pay for that.
They went with industry contractors who said they can make it work. As did many other nations.
If the contractors were wrong so badly then don't pay them.
According to Guido a few weeks ago, Arron Banks and Darren Grimes are seriously looking at a private prosecution against the Electoral Commission. Get the popcorn ready for that one!
Ah, Guido...
I'll give £20 to your favourite charity if that comes to pass.
Banks and Guido are pretty close, AIUI.
My 'charity' can be this site's app development fund
most people's reaction would be, good, they didn't find any dirt, let's not go through a whole new process of examining the search for that dirt.
Like the Salmondistas?
You would have to ask them, I am not of their ilk.
I’m late to the party on units so I won’t rehash what others have said. Interesting that temperature is the one quantity where no one ever goes with the SI unit though.
Edit: actually you can add weight to that.
Really? I would have said pounds are more popular than kilograms.
I’m late to the party on units so I won’t rehash what others have said. Interesting that temperature is the one quantity where no one ever goes with the SI unit though.
Edit: actually you can add weight to that.
Really? I would have said pounds are more popular than kilograms.
According to Guido a few weeks ago, Arron Banks and Darren Grimes are seriously looking at a private prosecution against the Electoral Commission. Get the popcorn ready for that one!
Lol, will they hell. That would be a bonkers move by them.
I’m late to the party on units so I won’t rehash what others have said. Interesting that temperature is the one quantity where no one ever goes with the SI unit though.
Edit: actually you can add weight to that.
Weight is the one where the SI unit used is 99.9% the wrong one and scales don't even display it !
I use kgs for my weight precisely because most people don't have a handle on them. If I'm going to have to be revealing an unflattering truth, I don't want it understood.
You should use newtons Alastair, noone has a handle on those
The App - I know next to nothing about such things but I suppose there is a good reason why we are trying to build one rather than using one that has already been proven to work somewhere else?
According to Guido a few weeks ago, Arron Banks and Darren Grimes are seriously looking at a private prosecution against the Electoral Commission. Get the popcorn ready for that one!
Ah, Guido...
I'll give £20 to your favourite charity if that comes to pass.
I've noticed that Guido is being cited more regularly recently as though it was reliable source. Standards are slipping on PB. It'll be Briebart next.
I’m late to the party on units so I won’t rehash what others have said. Interesting that temperature is the one quantity where no one ever goes with the SI unit though.
Edit: actually you can add weight to that.
Really? I would have said pounds are more popular than kilograms.
It's no coincidence that the Government is going to announce a modest relaxation of lockdown restrictions on Sunday night in areas such as garden centres and tips so the retired can enjoy them at their leisure from Monday onwards. Funny how there have been howls of protest about those and potential restrictions on the over 70s for the rest of the year (now quietly dropped) whilst schools and nurseries barely warrant a mention.
Meanwhile, hardworking and exhausted families with young children who have been working solidly for weeks are going to miss out on enjoying this lovely bank holiday weekend because the Government don't have the courage to let them have a socially distanced picnic or enjoy a bit of sun outside without the rozzers coming down on them.
Once again, this Government will be governing for their core vote: pensioners.
It won't be forgotten.
Absolutely agreed Casino. The restrictions on family meeting up are causing huge damage, and for no real benefit. Boris needs to remove these as a priority. People in high risk groups and their families can make appropriate pragmatic decisions for themselves to minimise the risk.
Sounds more like bollox, I am sure given the dearth of coppers, unless you are picnicking in the high street or a very public place you are highly unlikely to have any issues. If done discreetly and not walking up main street with shedload of picnic baskets etc. More whining and whinging, take a cue from VE day, think if they had been whinging about picnics rather than getting on with it , where would we be now.
Malcolm, of course we would have made further progress if Sturgeon and the Scottish executive hadn't messed it up in Scotland.
Do you think the cause of Scottish nationalism needs someone fresh say Jim Sillars?
You been at the cooking sherry already, gave me a laugh though Sillars makes IDS look like a politician with more than 2 brain cells
I said if the first didn't work they would just switch to the second. Not the end of the world.
Yes because that's just the sort of government we want. Blundering on wasting time in the face of obvious deficiencies until forced into a U-turn. Especially now.
Yes that is the sort of government we want. Cracking straight on with things not wasting time dithering to decide and not being embarrassed about "u-turns" if a wrong move is made. Especially now.
They could have spent a few weeks or months in committee trying to figure out every possible problem or just crack on and within 24 hours of these problems being highlighted they said there was a Plan B now it's confirmed they're working on Plan B.
We need a competent government.
If two random posters on PB get it instantly what do you think that says about the government's competence?
You of all people I didn't expect to give the govt such a free pass. But I appreciate the virus has addled people's brains as well as the bodies of those directly affected.
I don't give the government a free pass. I think they're working spinning many plates in a fast moving environment. Mistakes will be made inevitably especially when it comes to IT. If someone says something can work I can see why they'd go with it and if someone else says it can't but it's already been developed by now then the logical thing to do is test it while simultaneously working on a Plan B.
I don't see a great difference between this and the failed antibody tests. Sometimes things don't work out but you need to be trying.
If you never make mistakes you aren't trying to do enough!
I don't think that cuts it right now. When working out how high the pasty tax should be or whether Jaffa Cakes are a cake or a biscuit (biscuit) that's fine.
Partly not their fault because governments for decades have been spin machines designed to perpetuate themselves rather than benefit us lot but also their fault because when it matters (and it matters now) they need to get the big calls right and so far it appears they have failed to do so.
But as some of us have been saying for some time, this government, and in particular this Prime Minister, is simply not cut out for a proper local crisis which affects British people in the UK. And so it seems to be proving.
I think it cuts it now more than ever. There's less time for deliberation or committees so more mistakes will be made. A refusal to u turn when mistakes are made would be far far worse.
I'd rather a government trying it's best willing to fail and move on than a sclerotic behemoth only doing what is right after the 30th committee gives it the green light.
The correct way would have been to have two teams run the two solutions in parallel, then decide which one to use after testing. Unusually, money wasn't a problem, and neither was finding developers who are all somewhat quieter than usual to do the work.
The issue wasn't the speed of the decision-making, which as you say has been fast, the issue was putting all the eggs in one basket - then leaving them there, as it became more and more obvious that the chosen solution was going to have serious technical issues.
Tbh, the minute they had to include using Android devices as a keep-alive in the spec it should have set huge alarm bells ringing. The first thing I would have said in that meeting is "what if there aren't any android phones in the vicinity?" it's literally question one and it doesn't seem to have been asked let alone answered.
I doubt that was written in the spec, it sounds like an almighty piece of fudge to workaround the fact that they'd developed something that didn't work as it should have done. The dev house aren't used to mobile apps, and probably didn't understand the restrictions on Bluetooth which now exist.
The decision to go with Android v8+ is IMO more serious - that excludes nearly half of the Android base, most of which simply cannot be upgraded and will be in the hands of predominantly poor and older people. Google's solution goes back to v5, which covers 95% of devices in use. IOS11 is supported by any iPhone back to 2013's 5S.
It’s astounding to think it’s ten years since the Labour defeat in 2010.
It feels like a lifetime ago.
Yes, my son had a class in modern studies yesterday about the rise and fall of new Labour. It felt more like a history topic to me. My wife read yesterday that Derek Draper has been on a ventilator for a month now. Not looking good.
Metric measures are good for scientific calculations (brilliant, in fact) but they're not very human and a bit boring.
Imperial measures of yards, feet and inches are better for estimating as their origins relate to the human body itself, and they are also far more interesting.
Horses for courses.
I was led to believe that a yard was the distance between the tip of your nose and the end of your extended arm.
According to Guido a few weeks ago, Arron Banks and Darren Grimes are seriously looking at a private prosecution against the Electoral Commission. Get the popcorn ready for that one!
Ah, Guido...
I'll give £20 to your favourite charity if that comes to pass.
I've noticed that Guido is being cited more regularly recently as though it was reliable source. Standards are slipping on PB. It'll be Briebart next.
The App - I know next to nothing about such things but I suppose there is a good reason why we are trying to build one rather than using one that has already been proven to work somewhere else?
I think every country has to build their own app because their testing systems and particular circumstance will be different but they should all be broadly similiar and compatible on the back end.
According to Guido a few weeks ago, Arron Banks and Darren Grimes are seriously looking at a private prosecution against the Electoral Commission. Get the popcorn ready for that one!
Ah, Guido...
I'll give £20 to your favourite charity if that comes to pass.
Banks and Guido are pretty close, AIUI.
My 'charity' can be this site's app development fund
most people's reaction would be, good, they didn't find any dirt, let's not go through a whole new process of examining the search for that dirt.
Metric measures are good for scientific calculations (brilliant, in fact) but they're not very human and a bit boring.
Imperial measures of yards, feet and inches are better for estimating as their origins relate to the human body itself, and they are also far more interesting.
Horses for courses.
I love the way they are all messed up. Cars are generally imperial, until you have to change a nut or talk about engine capacity, which has generally been in cc or litres. 🤷♂️
I use farenheit for above freezing, celsius for below!
I think it is good for brain training. It helps ward off dementia. It's like learning a second language.
All we get on here is anecdotes about care homes. We have an obsession with those at the end of their lives.
We never have anecdotes about younger workers completely frustrated by this policy who consider themselves responsible enough not to mix with older folk and do not see why they cannot go back to living their lives.
Lives that are being completely ruined by a completely avoidable long lock down. They face effective imprisonment now, and long term penury, debt and poor life and health outcomes for their futures.
They have been stripped of their human rights to work, meet, move freely in their own country and socialise. Stripped not by an invading power but by their own government. Their education has been junked and there are no indications as to when it might start again.
At every turn in our country the young have been exploited, sacrificed and mortgaged in favour of a group of people who have largely lived a length of time unheard of in the past. People who, even forty years ago, simply wouldn;t be with us. And we not talking about all of these people .
Just a subset who are very ill.
Because there aren't young people who are so confined. There are young people who don't want to be responsible for killing their loved elders. The young support this policy.
Not even the old or 'late middle aged' support it, if you mean me. Here's a doctor's explanation of why it's stupid
I said if the first didn't work they would just switch to the second. Not the end of the world.
Yes because that's just the sort of government we want. Blundering on wasting time in the face of obvious deficiencies until forced into a U-turn. Especially now.
Yes that is the sort of government we want. Cracking straight on with things not wasting time dithering to decide and not being embarrassed about "u-turns" if a wrong move is made. Especially now.
They could have spent a few weeks or months in committee trying to figure out every possible problem or just crack on and within 24 hours of these problems being highlighted they said there was a Plan B now it's confirmed they're working on Plan B.
We need a competent government.
If two random posters on PB get it instantly what do you think that says about the government's competence?
You of all people I didn't expect to give the govt such a free pass. But I appreciate the virus has addled people's brains as well as the bodies of those directly affected.
I don't give the government a free pass. I think they're working spinning many plates in a fast moving environment. Mistakes will be made inevitably especially when it comes to IT. If someone says something can work I can see why they'd go with it and if someone else says it can't but it's already been developed by now then the logical thing to do is test it while simultaneously working on a Plan B.
I don't see a great difference between this and the failed antibody tests. Sometimes things don't work out but you need to be trying.
If you never make mistakes you aren't trying to do enough!
I don't think that cuts it right now. When working out how high the pasty tax should be or whether Jaffa Cakes are a cake or a biscuit (biscuit) that's fine.
Partly not their fault because governments for decades have been spin machines designed to perpetuate themselves rather than benefit us lot but also their fault because when it matters (and it matters now) they need to get the big calls right and so far it appears they have failed to do so.
But as some of us have been saying for some time, this government, and in particular this Prime Minister, is simply not cut out for a proper local crisis which affects British people in the UK. And so it seems to be proving.
I think it cuts it now more than ever. There's less time for deliberation or committees so more mistakes will be made. A refusal to u turn when mistakes are made would be far far worse.
I'd rather a government trying it's best willing to fail and move on than a sclerotic behemoth only doing what is right after the 30th committee gives it the green light.
However a decision on whether to use something already built and working or trying to bodge together your own so it is English made is a very stupid decision and shows them up as the cretins we know they are.
According to Guido a few weeks ago, Arron Banks and Darren Grimes are seriously looking at a private prosecution against the Electoral Commission. Get the popcorn ready for that one!
Ah, Guido...
I'll give £20 to your favourite charity if that comes to pass.
Banks and Guido are pretty close, AIUI.
My 'charity' can be this site's app development fund
most people's reaction would be, good, they didn't find any dirt, let's not go through a whole new process of examining the search for that dirt.
I tend to avoid twitter accounts with lots of flegs on them; the approximate rule is the more flegs the bigger the zoomer which certainly applies to Agent P.
All we get on here is anecdotes about care homes. We have an obsession with those at the end of their lives.
We never have anecdotes about younger workers completely frustrated by this policy who consider themselves responsible enough not to mix with older folk and do not see why they cannot go back to living their lives.
Lives that are being completely ruined by a completely avoidable long lock down. They face effective imprisonment now, and long term penury, debt and poor life and health outcomes for their futures.
They have been stripped of their human rights to work, meet, move freely in their own country and socialise. Stripped not by an invading power but by their own government. Their education has been junked and there are no indications as to when it might start again.
At every turn in our country the young have been exploited, sacrificed and mortgaged in favour of a group of people who have largely lived a length of time unheard of in the past. People who, even forty years ago, simply wouldn;t be with us. And we not talking about all of these people .
Just a subset who are very ill.
Because there aren't young people who are so confined. There are young people who don't want to be responsible for killing their loved elders. The young support this policy.
Not even the old or 'late middle aged' support it, if you mean me. Here's a doctor's explanation of why it's stupid
According to Guido a few weeks ago, Arron Banks and Darren Grimes are seriously looking at a private prosecution against the Electoral Commission. Get the popcorn ready for that one!
Ah, Guido...
I'll give £20 to your favourite charity if that comes to pass.
Banks and Guido are pretty close, AIUI.
My 'charity' can be this site's app development fund
most people's reaction would be, good, they didn't find any dirt, let's not go through a whole new process of examining the search for that dirt.
Metric measures are good for scientific calculations (brilliant, in fact) but they're not very human and a bit boring.
Imperial measures of yards, feet and inches are better for estimating as their origins relate to the human body itself, and they are also far more interesting.
Horses for courses.
I was led to believe that a yard was the distance between the tip of your nose and the end of your extended arm.
so people with long arms have very long noses then
According to Guido a few weeks ago, Arron Banks and Darren Grimes are seriously looking at a private prosecution against the Electoral Commission. Get the popcorn ready for that one!
Ah, Guido...
I'll give £20 to your favourite charity if that comes to pass.
I've noticed that Guido is being cited more regularly recently as though it was reliable source. Standards are slipping on PB. It'll be Briebart next.
Only the loonies are now still supporting so they are struggling to find any sensible sources
They said there was a plan B already. And this sack anyone who makes a mistake or does a u turn mentality is part of what is wrong with this country. It's why decisions take months or years to make with committee after committee after committee never bloody getting anything done.
Just bloody do what you think is right and if it's wrong learn from your mistake so you don't make it again. That's the right attitude.
A good quote someone working for a multinational once said to me was he realised he'd made a mistake that would cost his company a million dollars. He informed his boss and said he'd hand in his resignation for the mistake. The boss said "why would I want you to resign? I've just spent a million dollars training you."
That's a well-known (good) story, so I wonder if it really happened to your particular acquaintance, but maybe his boss had hear the story and decided to reuse it.
I agree with you most of the time, on one condition - you recognise that you've made a mistake. Ideally, you acknowledge it and explain what you're doing to avoid repeating it. If you merely say you did everything right, and now you're going to carry on doing everything right, it's difficult to have much confidence that you've actually understood.
At my last interview for my current job, I was asked to give an example of a line management problem that I'd solved. I gave an example of when I'd actually made the wrong decision, and what I'd done about it and learned from it. I was told later that the panel liked that - they weren't looking for impervious perfection, but for people who react to crises and change, without putting up a front.
Well phrased. That's the point I was trying to make but you made it even better.
I said if the first didn't work they would just switch to the second. Not the end of the world.
Yes because that's just the sort of government we want. Blundering on wasting time in the face of obvious deficiencies until forced into a U-turn. Especially now.
Yes that is the sort of government we want. Cracking straight on with things not wasting time dithering to decide and not being embarrassed about "u-turns" if a wrong move is made. Especially now.
They could have spent a few weeks or months in committee trying to figure out every possible problem or just crack on and within 24 hours of these problems being highlighted they said there was a Plan B now it's confirmed they're working on Plan B.
We need a competent government.
If two random posters on PB get it instantly what do you think that says about the government's competence?
You of all people I didn't expect to give the govt such a free pass. But I appreciate the virus has addled people's brains as well as the bodies of those directly affected.
I don't give the government a free pass. I think they're working spinning many plates in a fast moving environment. Mistakes will be made inevitably especially when it comes to IT. If someone says something can work I can see why they'd go with it and if someone else says it can't but it's already been developed by now then the logical thing to do is test it while simultaneously working on a Plan B.
I don't see a great difference between this and the failed antibody tests. Sometimes things don't work out but you need to be trying.
If you never make mistakes you aren't trying to do enough!
I don't think that cuts it right now. When working out how high the pasty tax should be or whether Jaffa Cakes are a cake or a biscuit (biscuit) that's fine.
Partly not their fault because governments for decades have been spin machines designed to perpetuate themselves rather than benefit us lot but also their fault because when it matters (and it matters now) they need to get the big calls right and so far it appears they have failed to do so.
But as some of us have been saying for some time, this government, and in particular this Prime Minister, is simply not cut out for a proper local crisis which affects British people in the UK. And so it seems to be proving.
I think it cuts it now more than ever. There's less time for deliberation or committees so more mistakes will be made. A refusal to u turn when mistakes are made would be far far worse.
I'd rather a government trying it's best willing to fail and move on than a sclerotic behemoth only doing what is right after the 30th committee gives it the green light.
However a decision on whether to use something already built and working or trying to bodge together your own so it is English made is a very stupid decision and shows them up as the cretins we know they are.
There's nothing already built though that's the problem. It needs building either way.
If it was already built then this would be even less of a big deal as we'd just download what was already built now.
NEW We’ve updated our analysis of excess mortality, to see how well different European countries’ official covid19 data capture underlying deaths: - Germany, Sweden, France + Belgium doing well (87%-97%) - UK and Netherlands rather less so (51%-54%) Source @TheEconomist@J_CD_Tpic.twitter.com/7XkBKAAw2P
I’m late to the party on units so I won’t rehash what others have said. Interesting that temperature is the one quantity where no one ever goes with the SI unit though.
Edit: actually you can add weight to that.
Weight is the one where the SI unit used is 99.9% the wrong one and scales don't even display it !
I use kgs for my weight precisely because most people don't have a handle on them. If I'm going to have to be revealing an unflattering truth, I don't want it understood.
You should use newtons Alastair, noone has a handle on those
Isn't the issue simply that when people say weight they really mean mass?
According to Guido a few weeks ago, Arron Banks and Darren Grimes are seriously looking at a private prosecution against the Electoral Commission. Get the popcorn ready for that one!
Ah, Guido...
I'll give £20 to your favourite charity if that comes to pass.
I've noticed that Guido is being cited more regularly recently as though it was reliable source. Standards are slipping on PB. It'll be Briebart next.
Tbh I think pretty much all sources are grist to the political mill, it's just the hypocrisy of those who bleat about The Canary and Buzzfeed who then breathlessly report every emanation from Staines that gets me.
I’m late to the party on units so I won’t rehash what others have said. Interesting that temperature is the one quantity where no one ever goes with the SI unit though.
Edit: actually you can add weight to that.
Weight is the one where the SI unit used is 99.9% the wrong one and scales don't even display it !
I use kgs for my weight precisely because most people don't have a handle on them. If I'm going to have to be revealing an unflattering truth, I don't want it understood.
You should use newtons Alastair, noone has a handle on those
Isn't the issue simply that when people say weight they really mean mass?
They said there was a plan B already. And this sack anyone who makes a mistake or does a u turn mentality is part of what is wrong with this country. It's why decisions take months or years to make with committee after committee after committee never bloody getting anything done.
Just bloody do what you think is right and if it's wrong learn from your mistake so you don't make it again. That's the right attitude.
A good quote someone working for a multinational once said to me was he realised he'd made a mistake that would cost his company a million dollars. He informed his boss and said he'd hand in his resignation for the mistake. The boss said "why would I want you to resign? I've just spent a million dollars training you."
That's a well-known (good) story, so I wonder if it really happened to your particular acquaintance, but maybe his boss had hear the story and decided to reuse it.
I agree with you most of the time, on one condition - you recognise that you've made a mistake. Ideally, you acknowledge it and explain what you're doing to avoid repeating it. If you merely say you did everything right, and now you're going to carry on doing everything right, it's difficult to have much confidence that you've actually understood.
At my last interview for my current job, I was asked to give an example of a line management problem that I'd solved. I gave an example of when I'd actually made the wrong decision, and what I'd done about it and learned from it. I was told later that the panel liked that - they weren't looking for impervious perfection, but for people who react to crises and change, without putting up a front.
Well phrased. That's the point I was trying to make but you made it even better.
Interview panels like that sound a nightmare.
I can never think of a well structured example fast enough (even though I have them) so I end up waffling.
Mind you, I should probably game certain interview and question scenarios and practice answers. Trick is then not to sound too robotic and stilted.
The Conservative Party of 2010 feels like a totally different party.
Won on a traditional Conservative economic platform (but with modernised social policies).
Actually it didn't win, it was a hung parliament. It took another 5 years for the Tories to get a majority and another 9 years for the Tories to get a comfortable working majority, the latter on a more statist economic platform with a pro Brexit, cut immigration agenda
The App - I know next to nothing about such things but I suppose there is a good reason why we are trying to build one rather than using one that has already been proven to work somewhere else?
I think every country has to build their own app because their testing systems and particular circumstance will be different but they should all be broadly similiar and compatible on the back end.
Guess that must be it. Does seem to be basically the same though. Report if sick, triggers alerts to the hub and to people you've rubbed up against. My sense is that the process will not work well here. Hope I'm wrong.
I said if the first didn't work they would just switch to the second. Not the end of the world.
Yes because that's just the sort of government we want. Blundering on wasting time in the face of obvious deficiencies until forced into a U-turn. Especially now.
Yes that is the sort of government we want. Cracking straight on with things not wasting time dithering to decide and not being embarrassed about "u-turns" if a wrong move is made. Especially now.
They could have spent a few weeks or months in committee trying to figure out every possible problem or just crack on and within 24 hours of these problems being highlighted they said there was a Plan B now it's confirmed they're working on Plan B.
We need a competent government.
If two random posters on PB get it instantly what do you think that says about the government's competence?
You of all people I didn't expect to give the govt such a free pass. But I appreciate the virus has addled people's brains as well as the bodies of those directly affected.
I don't give the government a free pass. I think they're working spinning many plates in a fast moving environment. Mistakes will be made inevitably especially when it comes to IT. If someone says something can work I can see why they'd go with it and if someone else says it can't but it's already been developed by now then the logical thing to do is test it while simultaneously working on a Plan B.
I don't see a great difference between this and the failed antibody tests. Sometimes things don't work out but you need to be trying.
If you never make mistakes you aren't trying to do enough!
I don't think that cuts it right now. When working out how high the pasty tax should be or whether Jaffa Cakes are a cake or a biscuit (biscuit) that's fine.
Partly not their fault because governments for decades have been spin machines designed to perpetuate themselves rather than benefit us lot but also their fault because when it matters (and it matters now) they need to get the big calls right and so far it appears they have failed to do so.
But as some of us have been saying for some time, this government, and in particular this Prime Minister, is simply not cut out for a proper local crisis which affects British people in the UK. And so it seems to be proving.
I think it cuts it now more than ever. There's less time for deliberation or committees so more mistakes will be made. A refusal to u turn when mistakes are made would be far far worse.
I'd rather a government trying it's best willing to fail and move on than a sclerotic behemoth only doing what is right after the 30th committee gives it the green light.
The correct way would have been to have two teams run the two solutions in parallel, then decide which one to use after testing. Unusually, money wasn't a problem, and neither was finding developers who are all somewhat quieter than usual to do the work.
The issue wasn't the speed of the decision-making, which as you say has been fast, the issue was putting all the eggs in one basket - then leaving them there, as it became more and more obvious that the chosen solution was going to have serious technical issues.
Yes and putting them in the basket with the hole in it to boot.
They said there was a plan B already. And this sack anyone who makes a mistake or does a u turn mentality is part of what is wrong with this country. It's why decisions take months or years to make with committee after committee after committee never bloody getting anything done.
Just bloody do what you think is right and if it's wrong learn from your mistake so you don't make it again. That's the right attitude.
A good quote someone working for a multinational once said to me was he realised he'd made a mistake that would cost his company a million dollars. He informed his boss and said he'd hand in his resignation for the mistake. The boss said "why would I want you to resign? I've just spent a million dollars training you."
That's a well-known (good) story, so I wonder if it really happened to your particular acquaintance, but maybe his boss had hear the story and decided to reuse it.
I agree with you most of the time, on one condition - you recognise that you've made a mistake. Ideally, you acknowledge it and explain what you're doing to avoid repeating it. If you merely say you did everything right, and now you're going to carry on doing everything right, it's difficult to have much confidence that you've actually understood.
At my last interview for my current job, I was asked to give an example of a line management problem that I'd solved. I gave an example of when I'd actually made the wrong decision, and what I'd done about it and learned from it. I was told later that the panel liked that - they weren't looking for impervious perfection, but for people who react to crises and change, without putting up a front.
Well phrased. That's the point I was trying to make but you made it even better.
Interview panels like that sound a nightmare.
I can never think of a well structured example fast enough (even though I have them) so I end up waffling.
Mind you, I should probably game certain interview and question scenarios and practice answers. Trick is then not to sound too robotic and stilted.
Main thing, in my experience, is not to be yourself.
NEW We’ve updated our analysis of excess mortality, to see how well different European countries’ official covid19 data capture underlying deaths: - Germany, Sweden, France + Belgium doing well (87%-97%) - UK and Netherlands rather less so (51%-54%) Source @TheEconomist@J_CD_Tpic.twitter.com/7XkBKAAw2P
According to Guido a few weeks ago, Arron Banks and Darren Grimes are seriously looking at a private prosecution against the Electoral Commission. Get the popcorn ready for that one!
Ah, Guido...
I'll give £20 to your favourite charity if that comes to pass.
I've noticed that Guido is being cited more regularly recently as though it was reliable source. Standards are slipping on PB. It'll be Briebart next.
Tbh I think pretty much all sources are grist to the political mill, it's just the hypocrisy of those who bleat about The Canary and Buzzfeed who then breathlessly report every emanation from Staines that gets me.
If I want to know what Arron Banks and Nigel Farage are thinking, Guido's not a bad source for a starting point.
If I want to know what Diane Abbot and Richard Burton are thinking, then The Canary probably isn't a bad source either.
The Conservative Party of 2010 feels like a totally different party.
Won on a traditional Conservative economic platform (but with modernised social policies).
Actually it didn't win, it was a hung parliament. It took another 5 years for the Tories to get a majority and another 9 years for the Tories to get a comfortable working majority, the latter on a more statist economic platform with a pro Brexit, cut immigration agenda
They said there was a plan B already. And this sack anyone who makes a mistake or does a u turn mentality is part of what is wrong with this country. It's why decisions take months or years to make with committee after committee after committee never bloody getting anything done.
Just bloody do what you think is right and if it's wrong learn from your mistake so you don't make it again. That's the right attitude.
A good quote someone working for a multinational once said to me was he realised he'd made a mistake that would cost his company a million dollars. He informed his boss and said he'd hand in his resignation for the mistake. The boss said "why would I want you to resign? I've just spent a million dollars training you."
That's a well-known (good) story, so I wonder if it really happened to your particular acquaintance, but maybe his boss had hear the story and decided to reuse it.
I agree with you most of the time, on one condition - you recognise that you've made a mistake. Ideally, you acknowledge it and explain what you're doing to avoid repeating it. If you merely say you did everything right, and now you're going to carry on doing everything right, it's difficult to have much confidence that you've actually understood.
At my last interview for my current job, I was asked to give an example of a line management problem that I'd solved. I gave an example of when I'd actually made the wrong decision, and what I'd done about it and learned from it. I was told later that the panel liked that - they weren't looking for impervious perfection, but for people who react to crises and change, without putting up a front.
Well phrased. That's the point I was trying to make but you made it even better.
Interview panels like that sound a nightmare.
I can never think of a well structured example fast enough (even though I have them) so I end up waffling.
Mind you, I should probably game certain interview and question scenarios and practice answers. Trick is then not to sound too robotic and stilted.
Main thing, in my experience, is not to be yourself.
Best interview I saw was Tommy Saxondale interviewing his dopy but nice assistant for the job as his sidekick pest controller .
I said if the first didn't work they would just switch to the second. Not the end of the world.
Yes because that's just the sort of government we want. Blundering on wasting time in the face of obvious deficiencies until forced into a U-turn. Especially now.
Yes that is the sort of government we want. Cracking straight on with things not wasting time dithering to decide and not being embarrassed about "u-turns" if a wrong move is made. Especially now.
They could have spent a few weeks or months in committee trying to figure out every possible problem or just crack on and within 24 hours of these problems being highlighted they said there was a Plan B now it's confirmed they're working on Plan B.
We need a competent government.
If two random posters on PB get it instantly what do you think that says about the government's competence?
You of all people I didn't expect to give the govt such a free pass. But I appreciate the virus has addled people's brains as well as the bodies of those directly affected.
I don't give the government a free pass. I think they're working spinning many plates in a fast moving environment. Mistakes will be made inevitably especially when it comes to IT. If someone says something can work I can see why they'd go with it and if someone else says it can't but it's already been developed by now then the logical thing to do is test it while simultaneously working on a Plan B.
I don't see a great difference between this and the failed antibody tests. Sometimes things don't work out but you need to be trying.
If you never make mistakes you aren't trying to do enough!
I don't think that cuts it right now. When working out how high the pasty tax should be or whether Jaffa Cakes are a cake or a biscuit (biscuit) that's fine.
Partly not their fault because governments for decades have been spin machines designed to perpetuate themselves rather than benefit us lot but also their fault because when it matters (and it matters now) they need to get the big calls right and so far it appears they have failed to do so.
But as some of us have been saying for some time, this government, and in particular this Prime Minister, is simply not cut out for a proper local crisis which affects British people in the UK. And so it seems to be proving.
I think it cuts it now more than ever. There's less time for deliberation or committees so more mistakes will be made. A refusal to u turn when mistakes are made would be far far worse.
I'd rather a government trying it's best willing to fail and move on than a sclerotic behemoth only doing what is right after the 30th committee gives it the green light.
However a decision on whether to use something already built and working or trying to bodge together your own so it is English made is a very stupid decision and shows them up as the cretins we know they are.
There's nothing already built though that's the problem. It needs building either way.
If it was already built then this would be even less of a big deal as we'd just download what was already built now.
The API was offered by apple/google and is in use elsewhere already, they chose to be stupid and not use it and try to be big shots and build a home made one so they could get at the data
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They said there was a plan B already. And this sack anyone who makes a mistake or does a u turn mentality is part of what is wrong with this country. It's why decisions take months or years to make with committee after committee after committee never bloody getting anything done.
Just bloody do what you think is right and if it's wrong learn from your mistake so you don't make it again. That's the right attitude.
A good quote someone working for a multinational once said to me was he realised he'd made a mistake that would cost his company a million dollars. He informed his boss and said he'd hand in his resignation for the mistake. The boss said "why would I want you to resign? I've just spent a million dollars training you."
That's a well-known (good) story, so I wonder if it really happened to your particular acquaintance, but maybe his boss had hear the story and decided to reuse it.
I agree with you most of the time, on one condition - you recognise that you've made a mistake. Ideally, you acknowledge it and explain what you're doing to avoid repeating it. If you merely say you did everything right, and now you're going to carry on doing everything right, it's difficult to have much confidence that you've actually understood.
At my last interview for my current job, I was asked to give an example of a line management problem that I'd solved. I gave an example of when I'd actually made the wrong decision, and what I'd done about it and learned from it. I was told later that the panel liked that - they weren't looking for impervious perfection, but for people who react to crises and change, without putting up a front.
Well phrased. That's the point I was trying to make but you made it even better.
Interview panels like that sound a nightmare.
I can never think of a well structured example fast enough (even though I have them) so I end up waffling.
Mind you, I should probably game certain interview and question scenarios and practice answers. Trick is then not to sound too robotic and stilted.
Main thing, in my experience, is not to be yourself.
You need to present yourself in the best possible light, and there is a technique to master in learning how to do that.
If you just turn up and 'be yourself' naturally, without learning that, you might not get the job.
Message just popped up on F/b to the effect that Boris wasn't admitted to St Thomas' bur with 'other problems'. Source is, apparently 'a whistleblower', but on St T's staff.
They said there was a plan B already. And this sack anyone who makes a mistake or does a u turn mentality is part of what is wrong with this country. It's why decisions take months or years to make with committee after committee after committee never bloody getting anything done.
Just bloody do what you think is right and if it's wrong learn from your mistake so you don't make it again. That's the right attitude.
A good quote someone working for a multinational once said to me was he realised he'd made a mistake that would cost his company a million dollars. He informed his boss and said he'd hand in his resignation for the mistake. The boss said "why would I want you to resign? I've just spent a million dollars training you."
That's a well-known (good) story, so I wonder if it really happened to your particular acquaintance, but maybe his boss had hear the story and decided to reuse it.
I agree with you most of the time, on one condition - you recognise that you've made a mistake. Ideally, you acknowledge it and explain what you're doing to avoid repeating it. If you merely say you did everything right, and now you're going to carry on doing everything right, it's difficult to have much confidence that you've actually understood.
At my last interview for my current job, I was asked to give an example of a line management problem that I'd solved. I gave an example of when I'd actually made the wrong decision, and what I'd done about it and learned from it. I was told later that the panel liked that - they weren't looking for impervious perfection, but for people who react to crises and change, without putting up a front.
Well phrased. That's the point I was trying to make but you made it even better.
Interview panels like that sound a nightmare.
I can never think of a well structured example fast enough (even though I have them) so I end up waffling.
Mind you, I should probably game certain interview and question scenarios and practice answers. Trick is then not to sound too robotic and stilted.
Main thing, in my experience, is not to be yourself.
You need to present yourself in the best possible light, and there is a technique to master in learning how to do that.
If you just turn up and 'be yourself' naturally, without learning that, you might not get the job.
Just imagine you are a Tory and lie about everything, real whoppers. That will et you through.
They said there was a plan B already. And this sack anyone who makes a mistake or does a u turn mentality is part of what is wrong with this country. It's why decisions take months or years to make with committee after committee after committee never bloody getting anything done.
Just bloody do what you think is right and if it's wrong learn from your mistake so you don't make it again. That's the right attitude.
A good quote someone working for a multinational once said to me was he realised he'd made a mistake that would cost his company a million dollars. He informed his boss and said he'd hand in his resignation for the mistake. The boss said "why would I want you to resign? I've just spent a million dollars training you."
That's a well-known (good) story, so I wonder if it really happened to your particular acquaintance, but maybe his boss had hear the story and decided to reuse it.
I agree with you most of the time, on one condition - you recognise that you've made a mistake. Ideally, you acknowledge it and explain what you're doing to avoid repeating it. If you merely say you did everything right, and now you're going to carry on doing everything right, it's difficult to have much confidence that you've actually understood.
At my last interview for my current job, I was asked to give an example of a line management problem that I'd solved. I gave an example of when I'd actually made the wrong decision, and what I'd done about it and learned from it. I was told later that the panel liked that - they weren't looking for impervious perfection, but for people who react to crises and change, without putting up a front.
Well phrased. That's the point I was trying to make but you made it even better.
Interview panels like that sound a nightmare.
I can never think of a well structured example fast enough (even though I have them) so I end up waffling.
Mind you, I should probably game certain interview and question scenarios and practice answers. Trick is then not to sound too robotic and stilted.
Main thing, in my experience, is not to be yourself.
You need to present yourself in the best possible light, and there is a technique to master in learning how to do that.
If you just turn up and 'be yourself' naturally, without learning that, you might not get the job.
Be yourself but a slightly more assertive self - tends to work i find in interviews - Statistically you will get more rejections than offers at interviews so it makes sense to be not that bothered in your mindset - This tends to relax you but also makes you a bit more assertive in that you have trained your brain to think you sort of have a free go so may has well stick up for yourself. Some interviewers (the HR type ) dont like this but many interviewers do so you tend to stick out a bit more
They said there was a plan B already. And this sack anyone who makes a mistake or does a u turn mentality is part of what is wrong with this country. It's why decisions take months or years to make with committee after committee after committee never bloody getting anything done.
Just bloody do what you think is right and if it's wrong learn from your mistake so you don't make it again. That's the right attitude.
A good quote someone working for a multinational once said to me was he realised he'd made a mistake that would cost his company a million dollars. He informed his boss and said he'd hand in his resignation for the mistake. The boss said "why would I want you to resign? I've just spent a million dollars training you."
That's a well-known (good) story, so I wonder if it really happened to your particular acquaintance, but maybe his boss had hear the story and decided to reuse it.
I agree with you most of the time, on one condition - you recognise that you've made a mistake. Ideally, you acknowledge it and explain what you're doing to avoid repeating it. If you merely say you did everything right, and now you're going to carry on doing everything right, it's difficult to have much confidence that you've actually understood.
At my last interview for my current job, I was asked to give an example of a line management problem that I'd solved. I gave an example of when I'd actually made the wrong decision, and what I'd done about it and learned from it. I was told later that the panel liked that - they weren't looking for impervious perfection, but for people who react to crises and change, without putting up a front.
Well phrased. That's the point I was trying to make but you made it even better.
Interview panels like that sound a nightmare.
I can never think of a well structured example fast enough (even though I have them) so I end up waffling.
Mind you, I should probably game certain interview and question scenarios and practice answers. Trick is then not to sound too robotic and stilted.
Main thing, in my experience, is not to be yourself.
You need to present yourself in the best possible light, and there is a technique to master in learning how to do that.
If you just turn up and 'be yourself' naturally, without learning that, you might not get the job.
Just imagine you are a Tory and lie about everything, real whoppers. That will et you through.
They said there was a plan B already. And this sack anyone who makes a mistake or does a u turn mentality is part of what is wrong with this country. It's why decisions take months or years to make with committee after committee after committee never bloody getting anything done.
Just bloody do what you think is right and if it's wrong learn from your mistake so you don't make it again. That's the right attitude.
A good quote someone working for a multinational once said to me was he realised he'd made a mistake that would cost his company a million dollars. He informed his boss and said he'd hand in his resignation for the mistake. The boss said "why would I want you to resign? I've just spent a million dollars training you."
That's a well-known (good) story, so I wonder if it really happened to your particular acquaintance, but maybe his boss had hear the story and decided to reuse it.
I agree with you most of the time, on one condition - you recognise that you've made a mistake. Ideally, you acknowledge it and explain what you're doing to avoid repeating it. If you merely say you did everything right, and now you're going to carry on doing everything right, it's difficult to have much confidence that you've actually understood.
At my last interview for my current job, I was asked to give an example of a line management problem that I'd solved. I gave an example of when I'd actually made the wrong decision, and what I'd done about it and learned from it. I was told later that the panel liked that - they weren't looking for impervious perfection, but for people who react to crises and change, without putting up a front.
Well phrased. That's the point I was trying to make but you made it even better.
Interview panels like that sound a nightmare.
I can never think of a well structured example fast enough (even though I have them) so I end up waffling.
Mind you, I should probably game certain interview and question scenarios and practice answers. Trick is then not to sound too robotic and stilted.
Main thing, in my experience, is not to be yourself.
You need to present yourself in the best possible light, and there is a technique to master in learning how to do that.
If you just turn up and 'be yourself' naturally, without learning that, you might not get the job.
Be yourself but a slightly more assertive self - tends to work i find in interviews - Statistically you will get more rejections than offers at interviews so it makes sense to be not that bothered in your mindset - This tends to relax you but also makes you a bit more assertive in that you have trained your brain to think you sort of have a free go so may has well stick up for yourself. Some interviewers (the HR type ) dont like this but many interviewers do so you tend to stick out a bit more
HR types usually insist on a "competency based" interview (what the hell does that mean?) where you have to answer each question with a STAR technique so they can fill their forms accordingly.
The worst interview I ever had (and one of the very few that didn't result in a subsequent job offer) was one of those: they got a bit aggressive on some of their questioning which was totally unnecessary.
I use Fahrenheit for measuring temperature to check someone's ill. I know 98 is normal and 100+ is ill.
I don't use it for understanding temperature "outside" though. Celsius makes much more sense for that.
Reminds me of an incident on the Today programme when a correspondent in Siberia was reporting on a cold snap. "It's minus forty here," he gushed. "Centigrade or Fahrenheit?" enquired the presenter (probably Brian Redhead or maybe Jack De Manio). "Dunno" came the reply.
They said there was a plan B already. And this sack anyone who makes a mistake or does a u turn mentality is part of what is wrong with this country. It's why decisions take months or years to make with committee after committee after committee never bloody getting anything done.
Just bloody do what you think is right and if it's wrong learn from your mistake so you don't make it again. That's the right attitude.
A good quote someone working for a multinational once said to me was he realised he'd made a mistake that would cost his company a million dollars. He informed his boss and said he'd hand in his resignation for the mistake. The boss said "why would I want you to resign? I've just spent a million dollars training you."
That's a well-known (good) story, so I wonder if it really happened to your particular acquaintance, but maybe his boss had hear the story and decided to reuse it.
I agree with you most of the time, on one condition - you recognise that you've made a mistake. Ideally, you acknowledge it and explain what you're doing to avoid repeating it. If you merely say you did everything right, and now you're going to carry on doing everything right, it's difficult to have much confidence that you've actually understood.
At my last interview for my current job, I was asked to give an example of a line management problem that I'd solved. I gave an example of when I'd actually made the wrong decision, and what I'd done about it and learned from it. I was told later that the panel liked that - they weren't looking for impervious perfection, but for people who react to crises and change, without putting up a front.
Well phrased. That's the point I was trying to make but you made it even better.
Interview panels like that sound a nightmare.
I can never think of a well structured example fast enough (even though I have them) so I end up waffling.
Mind you, I should probably game certain interview and question scenarios and practice answers. Trick is then not to sound too robotic and stilted.
Main thing, in my experience, is not to be yourself.
You need to present yourself in the best possible light, and there is a technique to master in learning how to do that.
If you just turn up and 'be yourself' naturally, without learning that, you might not get the job.
Be yourself but a slightly more assertive self - tends to work i find in interviews - Statistically you will get more rejections than offers at interviews so it makes sense to be not that bothered in your mindset - This tends to relax you but also makes you a bit more assertive in that you have trained your brain to think you sort of have a free go so may has well stick up for yourself. Some interviewers (the HR type ) dont like this but many interviewers do so you tend to stick out a bit more
HR types usually insist on a "competency based" interview (what the hell does that mean?) where you have to answer each question with a STAR technique so they can fill their forms accordingly.
The worst interview I ever had (and one of the very few that didn't result in a subsequent job offer) was one of those: they got a bit aggressive on some of their questioning which was totally unnecessary.
yes its a bit patronising to the interviewee to be openly scored like as if you were doing a dive at the Olympics. Last year I achieved a lifetime ambition of actually walking out of an interview (perhaps being overly assertive!!) because of the questions . I thought this only happened in films! It felt outerwordly as i felt my legs lift up from the chair and go to the door!
They said there was a plan B already. And this sack anyone who makes a mistake or does a u turn mentality is part of what is wrong with this country. It's why decisions take months or years to make with committee after committee after committee never bloody getting anything done.
Just bloody do what you think is right and if it's wrong learn from your mistake so you don't make it again. That's the right attitude.
A good quote someone working for a multinational once said to me was he realised he'd made a mistake that would cost his company a million dollars. He informed his boss and said he'd hand in his resignation for the mistake. The boss said "why would I want you to resign? I've just spent a million dollars training you."
That's a well-known (good) story, so I wonder if it really happened to your particular acquaintance, but maybe his boss had hear the story and decided to reuse it.
I agree with you most of the time, on one condition - you recognise that you've made a mistake. Ideally, you acknowledge it and explain what you're doing to avoid repeating it. If you merely say you did everything right, and now you're going to carry on doing everything right, it's difficult to have much confidence that you've actually understood.
At my last interview for my current job, I was asked to give an example of a line management problem that I'd solved. I gave an example of when I'd actually made the wrong decision, and what I'd done about it and learned from it. I was told later that the panel liked that - they weren't looking for impervious perfection, but for people who react to crises and change, without putting up a front.
Well phrased. That's the point I was trying to make but you made it even better.
Interview panels like that sound a nightmare.
I can never think of a well structured example fast enough (even though I have them) so I end up waffling.
Mind you, I should probably game certain interview and question scenarios and practice answers. Trick is then not to sound too robotic and stilted.
Main thing, in my experience, is not to be yourself.
You need to present yourself in the best possible light, and there is a technique to master in learning how to do that.
If you just turn up and 'be yourself' naturally, without learning that, you might not get the job.
My trick used to be "relax, you don't really want this job anyway" - since nerves were my biggest problem. Same with my driving test. Failed the first one through sheer anxiety (I had the skills). Second time, quelled the nerves with a large vodka and sailed through.
But I'm glad those days of tests, IVs, etc are (for me) over.
I use Fahrenheit for measuring temperature to check someone's ill. I know 98 is normal and 100+ is ill.
I don't use it for understanding temperature "outside" though. Celsius makes much more sense for that.
Reminds me of an incident on the Today programme when a correspondent in Siberia was reporting on a cold snap. "It's minus forty here," he gushed. "Centigrade or Fahrenheit?" enquired the presenter (probably Brian Redhead or maybe Jack De Manio). "Dunno" came the reply.
At the risk of having a bucketload of sh*t metaphorically hurled at me, I am utterly sick of VE Day and all the toe-curling “we’ll meet again/heroes/never forget” nonsense again. We have Remembrance Day to remember the dead.
We can’t be bothered to look properly after old people in care homes while we sentimentalise people who died years ago.
Hell, we can’t even remember the war properly. Britain was not alone. Look at all the Polish names on the memorials to Battle of Britain, for instance. Instead, shamefully, we refused to let Poles march in the victory parade in 1945 preferring to appease their new oppressor, Stalin, instead. Churchill even refused to mention in his end of the war speech all those bomber pilots who lost their lives bombing Germany and for a time that was pretty much what the British war effort amounted to.
And now their sacrifices are being used as part of an “I’m more patriotic/British than you” act. Bah, humbug!
Honour the dead. Understand history properly. But let’s stop being trapped in our 1940’s history. It is history not the prism through which every bloody policy decision now should be seen or filtered.
Councils have been accused of failing to hand over extra funds from the Government, leading one manager to accuse local authorities of “sitting on your hands, watching people die”.
The Government has given councils an extra £3.2 billion to cover the costs of coronavirus and last week told them to spend up to 10 per cent more on social care.
However, some are only offering five per cent, while it is understood others are yet to have promised anything at all....
I use Fahrenheit for measuring temperature to check someone's ill. I know 98 is normal and 100+ is ill.
I don't use it for understanding temperature "outside" though. Celsius makes much more sense for that.
Reminds me of an incident on the Today programme when a correspondent in Siberia was reporting on a cold snap. "It's minus forty here," he gushed. "Centigrade or Fahrenheit?" enquired the presenter (probably Brian Redhead or maybe Jack De Manio). "Dunno" came the reply.
They said there was a plan B already. And this sack anyone who makes a mistake or does a u turn mentality is part of what is wrong with this country. It's why decisions take months or years to make with committee after committee after committee never bloody getting anything done.
Just bloody do what you think is right and if it's wrong learn from your mistake so you don't make it again. That's the right attitude.
A good quote someone working for a multinational once said to me was he realised he'd made a mistake that would cost his company a million dollars. He informed his boss and said he'd hand in his resignation for the mistake. The boss said "why would I want you to resign? I've just spent a million dollars training you."
That's a well-known (good) story, so I wonder if it really happened to your particular acquaintance, but maybe his boss had hear the story and decided to reuse it.
I agree with you most of the time, on one condition - you recognise that you've made a mistake. Ideally, you acknowledge it and explain what you're doing to avoid repeating it. If you merely say you did everything right, and now you're going to carry on doing everything right, it's difficult to have much confidence that you've actually understood.
At my last interview for my current job, I was asked to give an example of a line management problem that I'd solved. I gave an example of when I'd actually made the wrong decision, and what I'd done about it and learned from it. I was told later that the panel liked that - they weren't looking for impervious perfection, but for people who react to crises and change, without putting up a front.
Well phrased. That's the point I was trying to make but you made it even better.
Interview panels like that sound a nightmare.
I can never think of a well structured example fast enough (even though I have them) so I end up waffling.
Mind you, I should probably game certain interview and question scenarios and practice answers. Trick is then not to sound too robotic and stilted.
Main thing, in my experience, is not to be yourself.
Best interview I saw was Tommy Saxondale interviewing his dopy but nice assistant for the job as his sidekick pest controller .
Meanwhile, some community care workers are being treated abysmally.
We care workers face a terrible decision: risk people's lives or go without pay https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/08/care-workers-pay-ppe-stress-zero-hours-contracts-coronavirus ... Like many care workers in the UK, I’m on a zero-hours contract. My hours plummeted to between four and eight a week, amounting to less than the £95 a week we can get from statutory sick pay, and definitely not enough to live on. Though my manager reassured me there would be more hours, there weren’t – and he refused to furlough me in case there were staff shortages later on.
Work became increasingly stressful. Our team of carers had to make boxes of gloves last as long as possible. Face masks or visors were out of the question, and hand sanitiser quickly ran out. We continued as if it were business as usual. One client was discharged from hospital with pneumonia (she hadn’t been tested for coronavirus as it was still early in the pandemic). I was instructed to carry on her calls as normal – taking her out to get shopping and fresh air – despite government advice about social distancing. Knowing I could put her life at risk if I had the virus, or contracted it from her and passed it to others, I refused....
According to Guido a few weeks ago, Arron Banks and Darren Grimes are seriously looking at a private prosecution against the Electoral Commission. Get the popcorn ready for that one!
Ah, Guido...
I'll give £20 to your favourite charity if that comes to pass.
I've noticed that Guido is being cited more regularly recently as though it was reliable source. Standards are slipping on PB. It'll be Briebart next.
Only the loonies are now still supporting so they are struggling to find any sensible sources
I suspect that is the case, even the Mail online has gone rogue! Soon be like the good old days when Plato regaled us with every loony conspiracy site in existence.
As a contrarian to those who aren't keen on the fuss about VE Day I think it can mean a lot to those from that generation still with us. And we should be grateful we still have some with us ... I was young for the comparable anniversary for WWI and didn't fully comprehend it's importance then, now there's nobody left from then.
My wife's put a lot of effort into VE Day commemorations in the home she works at, they've been doing things through this week and it's been very much appreciated. She said yesterday there were a couple of people who'd fought in the war smiling with tears in their eyes.
Like anything in life it can be abused but this anniversary is significant and meaningful to many we are fortunate to still have with us. We shouldn't take that for granted while we bicker about other things. We should pay less attention to those who abuse it and more attention to those we should appreciate.
They said there was a plan B already. And this sack anyone who makes a mistake or does a u turn mentality is part of what is wrong with this country. It's why decisions take months or years to make with committee after committee after committee never bloody getting anything done.
Just bloody do what you think is right and if it's wrong learn from your mistake so you don't make it again. That's the right attitude.
A good quote someone working for a multinational once said to me was he realised he'd made a mistake that would cost his company a million dollars. He informed his boss and said he'd hand in his resignation for the mistake. The boss said "why would I want you to resign? I've just spent a million dollars training you."
That's a well-known (good) story, so I wonder if it really happened to your particular acquaintance, but maybe his boss had hear the story and decided to reuse it.
I agree with you most of the time, on one condition - you recognise that you've made a mistake. Ideally, you acknowledge it and explain what you're doing to avoid repeating it. If you merely say you did everything right, and now you're going to carry on doing everything right, it's difficult to have much confidence that you've actually understood.
At my last interview for my current job, I was asked to give an example of a line management problem that I'd solved. I gave an example of when I'd actually made the wrong decision, and what I'd done about it and learned from it. I was told later that the panel liked that - they weren't looking for impervious perfection, but for people who react to crises and change, without putting up a front.
Well phrased. That's the point I was trying to make but you made it even better.
Interview panels like that sound a nightmare.
I can never think of a well structured example fast enough (even though I have them) so I end up waffling.
Mind you, I should probably game certain interview and question scenarios and practice answers. Trick is then not to sound too robotic and stilted.
Main thing, in my experience, is not to be yourself.
You need to present yourself in the best possible light, and there is a technique to master in learning how to do that.
If you just turn up and 'be yourself' naturally, without learning that, you might not get the job.
Just imagine you are a Tory and lie about everything, real whoppers. That will et you through.
They said there was a plan B already. And this sack anyone who makes a mistake or does a u turn mentality is part of what is wrong with this country. It's why decisions take months or years to make with committee after committee after committee never bloody getting anything done.
Just bloody do what you think is right and if it's wrong learn from your mistake so you don't make it again. That's the right attitude.
A good quote someone working for a multinational once said to me was he realised he'd made a mistake that would cost his company a million dollars. He informed his boss and said he'd hand in his resignation for the mistake. The boss said "why would I want you to resign? I've just spent a million dollars training you."
That's a well-known (good) story, so I wonder if it really happened to your particular acquaintance, but maybe his boss had hear the story and decided to reuse it.
I agree with you most of the time, on one condition - you recognise that you've made a mistake. Ideally, you acknowledge it and explain what you're doing to avoid repeating it. If you merely say you did everything right, and now you're going to carry on doing everything right, it's difficult to have much confidence that you've actually understood.
At my last interview for my current job, I was asked to give an example of a line management problem that I'd solved. I gave an example of when I'd actually made the wrong decision, and what I'd done about it and learned from it. I was told later that the panel liked that - they weren't looking for impervious perfection, but for people who react to crises and change, without putting up a front.
Well phrased. That's the point I was trying to make but you made it even better.
Interview panels like that sound a nightmare.
I can never think of a well structured example fast enough (even though I have them) so I end up waffling.
Mind you, I should probably game certain interview and question scenarios and practice answers. Trick is then not to sound too robotic and stilted.
Main thing, in my experience, is not to be yourself.
You need to present yourself in the best possible light, and there is a technique to master in learning how to do that.
If you just turn up and 'be yourself' naturally, without learning that, you might not get the job.
Just imagine you are a Tory and lie about everything, real whoppers. That will et you through.
I can't do that. I'm too honest.
Do what you said earlier. Create (or google) a bunch of likely interview questions, write them on index cards, shuffle and practise answering them, say six at a time, *out loud*.
Just as for politicians, being interviewed is a learned skill, so learn it (if you will be interviewed in the near future, otherwise don't waste your time).
One reason for shuffling questions is the answers change depending when a question is asked. "How did you find the place?" as the first question is just the panel being polite; as the fifth question means they really want to know.
The reason for practising *out loud* is not to overlearn scripted answers but to get rid of the umming and aahing at the start of each answer that too often sinks people, especially the more introverted types.
Make sure your practice questions include, tell us a joke! Good luck.
They said there was a plan B already. And this sack anyone who makes a mistake or does a u turn mentality is part of what is wrong with this country. It's why decisions take months or years to make with committee after committee after committee never bloody getting anything done.
Just bloody do what you think is right and if it's wrong learn from your mistake so you don't make it again. That's the right attitude.
A good quote someone working for a multinational once said to me was he realised he'd made a mistake that would cost his company a million dollars. He informed his boss and said he'd hand in his resignation for the mistake. The boss said "why would I want you to resign? I've just spent a million dollars training you."
That's a well-known (good) story, so I wonder if it really happened to your particular acquaintance, but maybe his boss had hear the story and decided to reuse it.
I agree with you most of the time, on one condition - you recognise that you've made a mistake. Ideally, you acknowledge it and explain what you're doing to avoid repeating it. If you merely say you did everything right, and now you're going to carry on doing everything right, it's difficult to have much confidence that you've actually understood.
At my last interview for my current job, I was asked to give an example of a line management problem that I'd solved. I gave an example of when I'd actually made the wrong decision, and what I'd done about it and learned from it. I was told later that the panel liked that - they weren't looking for impervious perfection, but for people who react to crises and change, without putting up a front.
Well phrased. That's the point I was trying to make but you made it even better.
Interview panels like that sound a nightmare.
I can never think of a well structured example fast enough (even though I have them) so I end up waffling.
Mind you, I should probably game certain interview and question scenarios and practice answers. Trick is then not to sound too robotic and stilted.
Main thing, in my experience, is not to be yourself.
You need to present yourself in the best possible light, and there is a technique to master in learning how to do that.
If you just turn up and 'be yourself' naturally, without learning that, you might not get the job.
My trick used to be "relax, you don't really want this job anyway" - since nerves were my biggest problem. Same with my driving test. Failed the first one through sheer anxiety (I had the skills). Second time, quelled the nerves with a large vodka and sailed through.
But I'm glad those days of tests, IVs, etc are (for me) over.
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I agree with you most of the time, on one condition - you recognise that you've made a mistake. Ideally, you acknowledge it and explain what you're doing to avoid repeating it. If you merely say you did everything right, and now you're going to carry on doing everything right, it's difficult to have much confidence that you've actually understood.
At my last interview for my current job, I was asked to give an example of a line management problem that I'd solved. I gave an example of when I'd actually made the wrong decision, and what I'd done about it and learned from it. I was told later that the panel liked that - they weren't looking for impervious perfection, but for people who react to crises and change, without putting up a front.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
My 'charity' can be this site's app development fund
We never have anecdotes about younger workers completely frustrated by this policy who consider themselves responsible enough not to mix with older folk and do not see why they cannot go back to living their lives.
Lives that are being completely ruined by a completely avoidable long lock down. They face effective imprisonment now, and long term penury, debt and poor life and health outcomes for their futures.
They have been stripped of their human rights to work, meet, move freely in their own country and socialise. Stripped not by an invading power but by their own government. Their education has been junked and there are no indications as to when it might start again.
At every turn in our country the young have been exploited, sacrificed and mortgaged in favour of a group of people who have largely lived a length of time unheard of in the past. People who, even forty years ago, simply wouldn;t be with us. And we not talking about all of these people .
Just a subset who are very ill.
If the spec says "exchange Bluetooth codes" and that's not possible why build an app to that spec and not say "we can't make that work"?
The issue wasn't the speed of the decision-making, which as you say has been fast, the issue was putting all the eggs in one basket - then leaving them there, as it became more and more obvious that the chosen solution was going to have serious technical issues.
The daily number of lab-confirmed cases in England by specimen date is a real eye opener.
Interesting that temperature is the one quantity where no one ever goes with the SI unit though.
Edit: actually you can add weight to that.
https://twitter.com/stephenpollard/status/1258663498864889857?s=20
Here's the thread on the "two locked iPhones can't talk to each other" problem. It's a random tech bro who has started it not anyone from the dev team.
Would never happen
And indeed, hasn’t so far....
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/768-new-coronavirus-cases-in-singapore-taking-total-past-21000
https://twitter.com/qorquiq/status/1258590177179529216?s=20
Correct answer: all of them.
The decision to go with Android v8+ is IMO more serious - that excludes nearly half of the Android base, most of which simply cannot be upgraded and will be in the hands of predominantly poor and older people. Google's solution goes back to v5, which covers 95% of devices in use. IOS11 is supported by any iPhone back to 2013's 5S.
https://twitter.com/AgentP22/status/1258681097245818881?s=20
https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/04/21/the-anti-lockdown-strategy/
His other posts are also worth reading by anyone who isn't in the pocket of 'big pharma'.
I remember expecting a massive LD surge and expecting them to get 80-90 seats.
If it was already built then this would be even less of a big deal as we'd just download what was already built now.
I don't use it for understanding temperature "outside" though. Celsius makes much more sense for that.
Won on a traditional Conservative economic platform (but with modernised social policies).
I can never think of a well structured example fast enough (even though I have them) so I end up waffling.
Mind you, I should probably game certain interview and question scenarios and practice answers. Trick is then not to sound too robotic and stilted.
If I want to know what Diane Abbot and Richard Burton are thinking, then The Canary probably isn't a bad source either.
If you just turn up and 'be yourself' naturally, without learning that, you might not get the job.
Large pinch of salt required I suspect, but.....
The worst interview I ever had (and one of the very few that didn't result in a subsequent job offer) was one of those: they got a bit aggressive on some of their questioning which was totally unnecessary.
That makes me sad. I liked her and it's not fair what happened to her.
Last year I achieved a lifetime ambition of actually walking out of an interview (perhaps being overly assertive!!) because of the questions . I thought this only happened in films! It felt outerwordly as i felt my legs lift up from the chair and go to the door!
But I'm glad those days of tests, IVs, etc are (for me) over.
We can’t be bothered to look properly after old people in care homes while we sentimentalise people who died years ago.
Hell, we can’t even remember the war properly. Britain was not alone. Look at all the Polish names on the memorials to Battle of Britain, for instance. Instead, shamefully, we refused to let Poles march in the victory parade in 1945 preferring to appease their new oppressor, Stalin, instead. Churchill even refused to mention in his end of the war speech all those bomber pilots who lost their lives bombing Germany and for a time that was pretty much what the British war effort amounted to.
And now their sacrifices are being used as part of an “I’m more patriotic/British than you” act. Bah, humbug!
Honour the dead. Understand history properly. But let’s stop being trapped in our 1940’s history. It is history not the prism through which every bloody policy decision now should be seen or filtered.
'Abandoned' care homes warn councils of legal action
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/06/abandoned-care-homes-warn-councils-legal-action/
... Care home managers have questioned whether local authorities should face corporate manslaughter charges over their response to coronavirus.
Councils have been accused of failing to hand over extra funds from the Government, leading one manager to accuse local authorities of “sitting on your hands, watching people die”.
The Government has given councils an extra £3.2 billion to cover the costs of coronavirus and last week told them to spend up to 10 per cent more on social care.
However, some are only offering five per cent, while it is understood others are yet to have promised anything at all....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPu_d4SSOPk
We care workers face a terrible decision: risk people's lives or go without pay
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/08/care-workers-pay-ppe-stress-zero-hours-contracts-coronavirus
... Like many care workers in the UK, I’m on a zero-hours contract. My hours plummeted to between four and eight a week, amounting to less than the £95 a week we can get from statutory sick pay, and definitely not enough to live on. Though my manager reassured me there would be more hours, there weren’t – and he refused to furlough me in case there were staff shortages later on.
Work became increasingly stressful. Our team of carers had to make boxes of gloves last as long as possible. Face masks or visors were out of the question, and hand sanitiser quickly ran out. We continued as if it were business as usual. One client was discharged from hospital with pneumonia (she hadn’t been tested for coronavirus as it was still early in the pandemic). I was instructed to carry on her calls as normal – taking her out to get shopping and fresh air – despite government advice about social distancing. Knowing I could put her life at risk if I had the virus, or contracted it from her and passed it to others, I refused....
My wife's put a lot of effort into VE Day commemorations in the home she works at, they've been doing things through this week and it's been very much appreciated. She said yesterday there were a couple of people who'd fought in the war smiling with tears in their eyes.
Like anything in life it can be abused but this anniversary is significant and meaningful to many we are fortunate to still have with us. We shouldn't take that for granted while we bicker about other things. We should pay less attention to those who abuse it and more attention to those we should appreciate.
Just as for politicians, being interviewed is a learned skill, so learn it (if you will be interviewed in the near future, otherwise don't waste your time).
One reason for shuffling questions is the answers change depending when a question is asked. "How did you find the place?" as the first question is just the panel being polite; as the fifth question means they really want to know.
The reason for practising *out loud* is not to overlearn scripted answers but to get rid of the umming and aahing at the start of each answer that too often sinks people, especially the more introverted types.
Make sure your practice questions include, tell us a joke! Good luck.