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Share of public who said country should reopen even if virus isn't fully contained:60% Russia58% China53% Italy51% India50% Germany40% Brazil39% France35% US32% Australia, Mexico31% Spain28% Japan25% Canada23% UKApril 16-19https://t.co/8ZQiL5690H pic.twitter.com/YEVlSR7FTe
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Is it safer to commute by bus or train? Is it safer to go to see a play and applaud by clapping or a comedy where the audience laughs? Can sport resume behind closed doors? Does the virus spread outdoors and if not, can we go to racecourses and golf courses? What about the seaside?
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It would also be interesting to see the regional differences in work-from-home rates. I could be totally wrong, but my guess is that they are heavily skewed to London and the SE.
I'm ashamed.
Man up Britain.
The Italians want to get back to something like normal because they fear starving more than they fear the virus.
9% are resisting the lockdown. 44% are struggling but obeying. Only 48% are accepting. So actually, a majority really don't like the lockdown:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52501417
Don't tell me about stoicism.
Of course, none of us are actually locked into our houses. Although in some of the countries listed, it’s closer to being that than in others.
Spain has lifted their “lockdown” to a degree and now... it’s still more locked down than the UK’s “lockdown”.
I’ve got a brother-in-law in India right now, and their “lockdown” is a damn sight more locked down than ours. He cannot even order (and get delivered) anything other than food and may not leave his apartment at all.
The level of restrictions applied will inevitably have an impact on how much people want those restrictions lifted, but reading the responses above, it looks as though everyone is simply chucking every countries restrictions into a single, simple mental bucket marked “lockdown” and acting as if they’re all exactly the same thing.
Which is simultaneously very easy to do (especially when we call them all the same thing), misleading, and misses out all the key issues of their variance.
As you get older, that curve will decay away as the perceived risk of getting sick increases.
As you go back younger, the cohort will be happier with socialising online, will be less tied down to a regular income, and in certain cases, will have clocked that certain aspects of their lives will actually be much easier in the long term.
Problem is we're asking this question when the infection rate is far too high and the government doesn't apparently intend to bring it down. ie it will remove lockdown first.
We should not throw our vulnerable citizens to the dogs because of inconveniences for the well off and comfortable.
Sit tight and delay gratification.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/health/articles-reports/2020/05/01/three-quarters-approve-scottish-governments-handli
(Links in this page to polling in other UK Nations)
In order to resume usual activities people need to feel safe, and that requires protection. Firstly to know where the risk is from proper tracing and public health work (garden centres, tips likely very low, churches high), and for proper precautions to be in place with citizen PPE in the form of masks and the retail geography of social distancing.
I have criticised the he government's communication strategy over this whole thing but the shielding thing I thought was pretty clear.
The Opinium polling in today's Observer is even more anti-easing than the above thread header.
'The poll by Opinium, taken between Wednesday and Friday last week, found 17% of people think the conditions have been met to consider reopening schools, against 67% who say they have not been, and that they should stay closed.
Opposition to reopening restaurants and pubs – and allowing mass gatherings in sports and other stadiums to resume – is even higher. Just 11% of people think the time is right to consider reopening restaurants, while 78% are against. Only 9% believe it would be correct to consider reopening pubs, while 81% are against; 7% say it would be right to allow mass gatherings at sports events or concerts to resume, with 84% against.'
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/02/fearful-britons-oppose-lifting-lockdown-schools-pubs-restaurants-opinium-poll
Interesting poll which suggests we've become either paralysed by fear or are rather enjoying netflix and Crucible Classics
Sooner or later the govt needs to start the debate about the economic situation facing us, it seems plenty are very happy to sit at home on 80% wages. When the furlough ends and that job no longer exists I suspect the 23% will at least double.
I think we should go the whole way and make it fully voluntary.
I think the idea is to force you to enter the Appleverse and buy some other overpriced junk like an Apple TV box. instead I have dug the Amazon Firestick I travel with and shoved that in the back of my amp as allegedly it has an Apple TV app you can install. Not that the FireShit is any better in terms of user interface and experience...
And I suspect you are right about reductions in pension income.
I'm also very keen to get a decent pint of draught beer. Bottled just isn't the same. And as for lager when the weather isn't sub-tropical.......Ugh!
Mr. Coach, welcome to PB.
“Up the airy mountain,
Down the rushy glen,
We daren’t go a-hunting
For fear of little men”.
I’m sure that an exploration of the costs of lockdown will be part of the solution. Right now the public feels like it’s on holiday.
It clearly isn't healthy that the interests of the working age population active in the economy weigh so less significantly.
We can only hope that one outcome from the current crisis is sufficient political capital to force this position to change.
Capitalism and greed have fucked this world. Your kind of attitude, in other words. Whether it's screwing the climate or creating the environment for viruses, we have utterly screwed up this planet.
So now is an excellent opportunity to recalibrate.
No-one is ' as 'happy' as you put it. We are where we are. You are just acting like a spoilt child.
In terms of the wider world, the virus crisis may accelerate trends that were already starting to appear, but I remain sceptical that it will change the world. Writing such stuff simply helps columnists fill empty spaces in the newspapers.
I think your criticism's unfair, on that basis.
The matter of care homes, perhaps over-recording presumptive cases, and a lack of better airport control are more legitimate grounds for complaint, I think.
There are justifiable reasons for attacking the current economic system. This virus isn't one of them. Indeed it is modern systems, both economic and social which have helped to mitigate the effects of this virus.
when the money runs out, thats when we will see tough arguments being made. So far the government is doing its hardest to claim its had a good war, and its chanters are happy to sing along. But when the government is ordering people back to work - "some of you will die and we're sorry that we can do nothing about it" - thats when this gets interesting.
My business spent a full working day across a few days having hideous virtual SMT discussions about how to manage the factory staff and how to manage production shifts in one/more people fell ill/died. It was genuinely hard and a couple of members clearly couldn't cope with the implications of what we were taking about. Take that same argument, this time its the government telling people there is no cure, they might die, but go back to your slave lives because we need to profit from you. It won't go down well. Many will yearn for the old life and comply. Others will have no choice. Many will do so grudgingly, glaringly, warily...
Thats a bit harsh but just as realistic as the above.
There were few handouts in those days , people had to get out and graft , not sit and whine about someone else getting more than them.
The idea those of us in 12 weeks lockdown, unable to be with our family and hug our grandchildren, are laid back about the lockdown is far from true. My wife and I hope the lockdown will be eased gradually and responsibly and indeed we accept being in lockdown, as others are freed to start the process of regaining some normality in their lives
It is a great importance we do not set up a them against us, i.e. the old v the young as that creates division just at the time we need to be kinder to each other and show compassion to everyone who is suffering, including obviously yourself
We do feel your pain
Plenty of supposed experts on how rich pensioners are on here.
People who say this don't have children.
This review - focus on raising NHS non covid output, getting businesses that are closed but not on the banned list to re-open if they can
Next review - gradual easing of lockdown rules
Key deliverables that need to be in place - Test track, trace and isolate processes and scale, New App released
Likely deliverables - Masks in certain scenarios (probably just mandatory for mass transit?), Border control