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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,071
    Just to add, I assume 'black' was Crosby's idea? Now I'm not suggesting anything to do with race, more that black is a serious colour, fitting with Cam's tough new image. I suspect Steve Hilton would have urged him to call it his orange book in the spirit of the true moderniser.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited December 2013

    Just to add, I assume 'black' was Crosby's idea? Now I'm not suggesting anything to do with race, more that black is a serious colour, fitting with Cam's tough new image. I suspect Steve Hilton would have urged him to call it his orange book in the spirit of the true moderniser.

    Isnt "little black book" just the turn of phrase that most people would use?

    Im sure there is no more to it than that.

    *** Oh I think I have misunderstood a joke, sorry ***
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,288

    Black book? Why didn't Cameron call it his orange book? Much nicer colour and might have appealed to the UKIP types who voted for Kilroy Silk.

    I'm assuming you're joking. If not, here's the reason - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Orange_Book:_Reclaiming_Liberalism
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,071

    Neil said:

    JohnO said:

    Neil said:

    AveryLP said:

    Sean_F said:

    ILEA was a joke. But it was not replaced with anything better. London's schools improved dramatically from 1997 onwards in both Labour and Tory boroughs, which does rather suggest that something could have been done previous to 1997 if there had been any political will.


    A friend of mine who went to school in Lambeth at the time thought that ILEA was actually not as bad as the people who ran Lambeth's education department, after ILEA was abolished.

    From memory Lambeth was an absolute cesspit of the worst kind of lefty bollox. Those days still send a shudder down my spine. They were utterly horrific.

    At least the schools were located in a nuclear free zone.

    How do you know there weren't any nucular waste trains passing through Clapham Junction back then?
    Clapham Junction is in Wandsworth, Sunil. Shame on you for not knowing that! ;)

    People keep on telling me to avoid Clapham Common, something to do with it being frequented by Labour Cabinet Ministers.

    ::Innocent Face::
    Out badger spotting (until Owen Paterson shot them all)
    If Owen isnt careful his may be the second Cabinet career the badgers do for in recent times.
    Don't misunderestimate Owen, have you forgotten his brilliant work in Northern Ireland uniting the Tories and Ulster Unionists to electoral success in 2010?
    He eats meat as well.

    Cameron should take responsibility for the Northern Ireland debacle.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,288

    Black book? Why didn't Cameron call it his orange book? Much nicer colour and might have appealed to the UKIP types who voted for Kilroy Silk.

    Also, people might have confused it with this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Orange_Box
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    India's gay community is in shock after the country's top court reversed a landmark 2009 Delhi High Court ruling which had decriminalised homosexual acts.

    The court has now left it to parliament to legislate on Section 377, a 153-year-old colonial law, under which a same-sex relationship is an "unnatural offence" and punishable by a 10-year jail term.

    Opposition to the 2009 ruling had come from more than a dozen political, social and religious groups and petitioners.

    They put up an array of arguments, many of them bizarre and, some might say, disingenuous.

    One petitioner was a TV astrologer who told the court the ruling "compromises national defence since soldiers will start having sex with each other". Another opponent of change was a former MP - he argued that it was "against Indian culture".


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-25328885
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983


    One petitioner was a TV astrologer who told the court the ruling "compromises national defence since soldiers will start having sex with each other".

    I'm going to have words with Russell Grant the next time I see him.
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    Neil/Sunil - Given the number of times India and Pakistan have gone to war, surely Indian soldiers having sex with each other is one way of preventing war and saving lives?
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    I said it would never stand up in court, ahem,

    A teenager accused of exposing his manhood in a burger bar was cleared after the alleged victim admitted she could not be sure if she had actually seen her mop handle.

    http://www.courtnewsuk.co.uk/?news_id=35292
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Neil said:

    tim said:

    Neil said:

    JohnO said:

    That's Linda Bellos OBE (2006) and businesswoman.

    Wonder if she now votes Conservative.

    I dont think it would be a good use of time for your lot to knock her up in 2015.

    I can think of at least two reasons why Linda Bellos is unlikely to get knocked up by JohnO
    Improved electoral algorithms from Tory HQ and...?
    She's a Lesbian.

    Edit: Although with JohnO's charm, anything is possible
    He could put her down as "undecided" and with heavy leafletting who knows ?
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited December 2013

    I said it would never stand up in court, ahem,

    A teenager accused of exposing his manhood in a burger bar was cleared after the alleged victim admitted she could not be sure if she had actually seen her mop handle.

    http://www.courtnewsuk.co.uk/?news_id=35292

    "The cleaner said she could have seen the end of her mop - or perhaps a door knob."

    I know they come in all shapes and sizes - but this gal really needs to get out more.
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    Neil/Sunil - Given the number of times India and Pakistan have gone to war, surely Indian soldiers having sex with each other is one way of preventing war and saving lives?

    According to http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6161691.stm they would have problems with the condoms falling off.
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    Given that the term 'little black book' apparently originally referred to an address book of hookers one can only wait with baited breath to see what will be in Cameron's 2015 manifesto.

    http://delilahmarvelle.blogspot.co.uk/2009/03/very-first-little-black-book-in-history.html

    How 'liberal' and 'radical' is David Cameron intending to go?
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    How 'liberal' and 'radical' is David Cameron intending to go?

    I'm guessing too liberal and too radical for your liking.
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    SeanT said:

    fpt

    The Nats MUST be encouraged by that incredible surge in support following the White Paper: the Yes vote is up 1 point in YouGov since September: a stunning and epochal movement of a third of a point towards Yes every month.

    All they have to do is slightly shift the date of the referendum back to maybe 2047AD, when the world is ruled by cruel robot-wizards from Neptune, and they will have overtaken No.

    In the meantime here's a fun (voodoo) poll:
    http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/poll/02-12-2013/should-scotland-be-an-independant-country?utm_source=MSE_Newsletter&utm_medium=pollresults&utm_term=10-Dec-13-lt&utm_campaign=poll&utm_content=10

    56% Yes
    44% No
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    smithersjones2013smithersjones2013 Posts: 740
    edited December 2013
    Neil said:

    How 'liberal' and 'radical' is David Cameron intending to go?

    I'm guessing too liberal and too radical for your liking.
    Well that all depends on ones definition of 'radical'. Socially, I'm not that radical, economically I'm quite radical and in terms of Government and politics I'm very radical. So radical I'd do away with many of the political and bureaucratic trappings of today.

    As for 'liberal' Is there a more abused and misrepresented (and therefore meaningless) word in politics?

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    Neil said:

    How 'liberal' and 'radical' is David Cameron intending to go?

    I'm guessing too liberal and too radical for your liking.
    Well that all depends on ones definition of 'radical'. Socially, I'm not that radical, economically I'm quite radical and in terms of Government and politics I'm very radical. So radical I'd do away with many of the political and bureaucratic trappings of today.

    As for 'liberal' Is there a more abused and misrepresented (and therefore meaningless) word in politics?

    "Liberal" means you can't do anything without first getting permission from the state and "Democrat" means going along with the EU against the wishes of the majority.
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    FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    More common sense from Sir Michael Wilshaw:

    "National curriculum tests for 14-year-olds in England's school should be reintroduced, says the chief inspector of schools, Sir Michael Wilshaw.

    Sir Michael said it had been a mistake to drop the tests (known as Sats) at the end of Key Stage 3 in 2008.

    He also said Sats taken at age seven should be externally moderated - at present teachers conduct assessments.

    Giving his annual report, said he was "strongly urging" ministers to re-introduce external tests for both ages.

    He said it was vital that youngsters' progress in English and maths was regularly checked....

    "In getting rid of the tests, we conceded too much ground to vested interests. Our education system should be run for the benefit of children, and no-one else.

    "With the proposed abandonment of national curriculum levels, it is vital that children's progress and outcomes are benchmarked at regular intervals in their school career.

    "If we are serious about raising standards and catching up with the best in the world, we need to know how pupils are doing at seven, 11, 14 and 16."

    The Ofsted chief said the watchdog had evidence that some in-school assessment at the end of Key Stage 1 (age seven) was unreliable.

    He said sometimes schools were depressing results at this age so that progress by the end of Key Stage 2 (age 11) looked better."..

    Sir Michael said the decision to abolish national curriculum tests for children in England at the end of Key Stage 3 (Year 9) had been a mistake.

    The tests were dropped in October 2008 by the then Labour Education Secretary, Ed Balls, following a debacle over the marking these external assessments."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-25336254
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,748
    edited December 2013

    I said it would never stand up in court, ahem,

    A teenager accused of exposing his manhood in a burger bar was cleared after the alleged victim admitted she could not be sure if she had actually seen her mop handle.

    http://www.courtnewsuk.co.uk/?news_id=35292

    "The cleaner said she could have seen the end of her mop - or perhaps a door knob."

    I know they come in all shapes and sizes - but this gal really needs to get out more.
    A few years ago a guy with exceptionally great taste in music and footwear had the following conversation with a very pretty lady.

    Guy: Do you know the difference between a chicken sandwich and a penis?

    Lady: No

    Guy: Excellent, Do you fancy going on a picnic with me?

    I shall say no more as this is a family site and it isn't the lagershed, yet.

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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,291
    Perhaps this was before Cameron's time.

    "I have a little black book with two players in it, and if I get a chance to do them I will. I will make them suffer before I pack this game in. If I can kick them four years over the touch line, I will."

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/may/18/seven-sins-football-wrath-part-two
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Fixed Odds Betting Terminals aka the Crack Cocaine of Gambling... subsidising bookmakers who wont lay a bet on Racing or Football, whilst encouraging the young, bored, & unemployed to do their dough

    http://www.newham.gov.uk/Pages/News/Tough-new-conditions-imposed-on-William-Hill-betting-shop-by-Newham-council.aspx
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,013
    JohnO said:

    Neil said:

    AveryLP said:

    Sean_F said:

    ILEA was a joke. But it was not replaced with anything better. London's schools improved dramatically from 1997 onwards in both Labour and Tory boroughs, which does rather suggest that something could have been done previous to 1997 if there had been any political will.


    A friend of mine who went to school in Lambeth at the time thought that ILEA was actually not as bad as the people who ran Lambeth's education department, after ILEA was abolished.

    From memory Lambeth was an absolute cesspit of the worst kind of lefty bollox. Those days still send a shudder down my spine. They were utterly horrific.

    At least the schools were located in a nuclear free zone.

    How do you know there weren't any nucular waste trains passing through Clapham Junction back then?
    Clapham Junction is in Wandsworth, Sunil. Shame on you for not knowing that! ;)

    People keep on telling me to avoid Clapham Common, something to do with it being frequented by Labour Cabinet Ministers.

    ::Innocent Face::
    Out badger spotting (until Owen Paterson shot them all)
    "He thought too much about his organ.
    So now we're stuck with Rhodri Morgan."

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    I see Rachel Reeves share price is falling today.... at least she wasn't boring snoring this time on the Daily Politics..
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    dr_spyn said:

    Perhaps this was before Cameron's time.

    "I have a little black book with two players in it, and if I get a chance to do them I will. I will make them suffer before I pack this game in. If I can kick them four years over the touch line, I will."

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/may/18/seven-sins-football-wrath-part-two

    Johnny Morrisey and Peter Osgood were the players in question.
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    Financier said:

    More common sense from Sir Michael Wilshaw:

    "National curriculum tests for 14-year-olds in England's school should be reintroduced, says the chief inspector of schools, Sir Michael Wilshaw.

    Sir Michael said it had been a mistake to drop the tests (known as Sats) at the end of Key Stage 3 in 2008.

    He also said Sats taken at age seven should be externally moderated - at present teachers conduct assessments.

    Giving his annual report, said he was "strongly urging" ministers to re-introduce external tests for both ages.

    He said it was vital that youngsters' progress in English and maths was regularly checked....

    "In getting rid of the tests, we conceded too much ground to vested interests. Our education system should be run for the benefit of children, and no-one else.

    "With the proposed abandonment of national curriculum levels, it is vital that children's progress and outcomes are benchmarked at regular intervals in their school career.

    "If we are serious about raising standards and catching up with the best in the world, we need to know how pupils are doing at seven, 11, 14 and 16."

    The Ofsted chief said the watchdog had evidence that some in-school assessment at the end of Key Stage 1 (age seven) was unreliable.

    He said sometimes schools were depressing results at this age so that progress by the end of Key Stage 2 (age 11) looked better."..

    Sir Michael said the decision to abolish national curriculum tests for children in England at the end of Key Stage 3 (Year 9) had been a mistake.

    The tests were dropped in October 2008 by the then Labour Education Secretary, Ed Balls, following a debacle over the marking these external assessments."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-25336254

    That will be strongly opposed by the teaching unions as it will mean more work for their members. Poor souls.
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    I see Rachel Reeves share price is falling today.... at least she wasn't boring snoring this time on the Daily Politics..

    Rachel Reeves? Where?

    :)
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited December 2013
    Question on BBC1s Pointless (100 people were asked the question, which correct answer got the fewest points?)

    Post War Leaders of the Opposition...

    5 were pointless...
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    isam said:

    Question on BBC1s Pointless (100 people were asked the question, which correct answer got the fewest points?)

    Post War Leaders of the Opposition...

    5 were pointless...

    Did temporary leaders count? Cause Harriet Harman, Margaret Beckett etc. would have been a good lot of them if so.

    If permanent then surely Hugh Gaitskill was one of them, Douglas-HOme maybe? John Smith even? Winston Churchill?
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    On topic. "In this context the more Cameron highlights the things that the LDs have stopped his party doing the more that it makes the case for such anti-CON tactical voting.'

    But surely the stronger effect would be to encourage 2010 LD voters to return from Labour. Hence a bit of a win-win for Cameron.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    Neil said:

    isam said:

    Question on BBC1s Pointless (100 people were asked the question, which correct answer got the fewest points?)

    Post War Leaders of the Opposition...

    5 were pointless...

    Did temporary leaders count? Cause Harriet Harman, Margaret Beckett etc. would have been a good lot of them if so.

    If permanent then surely Hugh Gaitskill was one of them, Douglas-HOme maybe? John Smith even? Winston Churchill?
    Maybe famous PMs (who were also LoO) were overlooked. Tony Blair, Margaret Thatcher, Attlee and Major are not famous for their stints as Leader of the Opposition.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Jonathan said:

    Neil said:

    isam said:

    Question on BBC1s Pointless (100 people were asked the question, which correct answer got the fewest points?)

    Post War Leaders of the Opposition...

    5 were pointless...

    Did temporary leaders count? Cause Harriet Harman, Margaret Beckett etc. would have been a good lot of them if so.

    If permanent then surely Hugh Gaitskill was one of them, Douglas-HOme maybe? John Smith even? Winston Churchill?
    Maybe famous PMs (who were also LoO) were overlooked. Tony Blair, Margaret Thatcher, Attlee and Major are not famous for their stints as Leader of the Opposition.
    Pointless answers were Alec Douglas-Home ( I got that one!), George Brown, Herbert Morrison, James Callaghan & Hugh Gaitskill.

    The Contestants said Callaghan, Blair (30), Cameron 27, IDS 11, John Smith 12, Michael Howard 3, William Hague 19, Kinnock 21.

    Top Answers were Cameron, Blair & Ed (33)

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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Yes campaigners would have you believe that the future for Scotland inside the United Kingdom is bleaker than a November day in Fraserburgh. A cold future awaits us, perhaps even a mini ice age. Just contemplating the notion should be enough to give you the shivers.

    the SNP think Scotland is some poor, abused, much put upon creature. A victim, in other words. There is, thus, a streak of self-pity running through the Yes campaign and self-pity is rarely ennobling or dignified. Poor wee Scotland needs independence, you see, to protect itself against the southern nasties.

    But most people don’t think like that. They don’t believe Scots should be scared of a future within the United Kingdom for the obvious reason that they’re not scared by living in the United Kingdom right now. Trying to persuade them otherwise asks them to doubt their own experience.
    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/alex-massie/2013/12/scottish-nationalisms-dangerous-cult-of-victimhood/
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Why won't the BBC report that the Mandela sign language person was a fake? Just saying he was "inept" doesn't properly describe the situation:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-25330672
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    Mr. JS, that seems really weird. I did remark to my mother that he appeared to be dancing as well as signing, but never thought he was a fraud.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,255

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    ILEA was a joke. But it was not replaced with anything better. London's schools improved dramatically from 1997 onwards in both Labour and Tory boroughs, which does rather suggest that something could have been done previous to 1997 if there had been any political will.


    A friend of mine who went to school in Lambeth at the time thought that ILEA was actually not as bad as the people who ran Lambeth's education department, after ILEA was abolished.

    From memory Lambeth was an absolute cesspit of the worst kind of lefty bollox. Those days still send a shudder down my spine. They were utterly horrific.

    Remarkably, the Conservatives actually gained the Lambeth Norwood division, in the 1981 GLC elections, at a time when they lost to Labour, thanks to the behaviour of Lambeth council.

    Everywhere that Militant and their fellow travellers went was left much worse off than it had been. Their creed was utterly destructive. I spent most of the 80s wanting to do physical harm to each and every one of them. Hate is a very negative emotion, but I never hated anyone like I hated the scumbags that almost brought Labour to its knees. The day that Kinnock delivered his Militant speech at the Labour conference and the fight back started was among the best of my life up to then. At last something was happening and there was hope. He may have morphed into something I do not like very much these days, but for that speech and what he did following it Kinnock has my eternal gratitude.
    Hear, hear SO. Kinnock deserves great credit for that speech and what he did. Labour in the 80's were a disgrace and ruined the life chances of so many people, in London and elsewhere, who looked to them.

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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Mr. JS, that seems really weird. I did remark to my mother that he appeared to be dancing as well as signing, but never thought he was a fraud.

    He was probably someone who got the job through favours rather than ability.
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    Jonathan said:

    Neil said:

    isam said:

    Question on BBC1s Pointless (100 people were asked the question, which correct answer got the fewest points?)

    Post War Leaders of the Opposition...

    5 were pointless...

    Did temporary leaders count? Cause Harriet Harman, Margaret Beckett etc. would have been a good lot of them if so.

    If permanent then surely Hugh Gaitskill was one of them, Douglas-HOme maybe? John Smith even? Winston Churchill?
    Maybe famous PMs (who were also LoO) were overlooked. Tony Blair, Margaret Thatcher, Attlee and Major are not famous for their stints as Leader of the Opposition.
    Or even not so famous PMs. Heath and Wilson were both LotO's too.
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    TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    AndyJS said:

    Mr. JS, that seems really weird. I did remark to my mother that he appeared to be dancing as well as signing, but never thought he was a fraud.

    He was probably someone who got the job through favours rather than ability.
    Mandela deserves a better legacy.

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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,291
    At least the guy can tell his grandchildren, I stood next to Obama during Mandela's Memorial Ceremony.

    Respect to the guy for getting up there, is he related to Ali G?
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    TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    dr_spyn said:

    At least the guy can tell his grandchildren, I stood next to Obama during Mandela's Memorial Ceremony.

    Respect to the guy for getting up there, is he related to Ali G?

    Perhaps he's related to this bloke.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-386136/Revealed-The-identity-BBCs-latest-star.html

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2006/may/13/broadcasting.bbc
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    isam said:
    Definitely not, there was a partially deaf person on Radio Four's PM programme tonight who was very upset about it.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    dr_spyn said:

    At least the guy can tell his grandchildren, I stood next to Obama during Mandela's Memorial Ceremony.

    Respect to the guy for getting up there, is he related to Ali G?

    Cathy Newman asked how the guy thought he could get away with it.

    Looks to me like he already has
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @TimGattITV: One of the first politicians to take a selfie? Tony Blair in 2005 (h/t @suemacmillan) http://t.co/QI1uIACNka
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    AndyJS said:

    isam said:
    Definitely not, there was a partially deaf person on Radio Four's PM programme tonight who was very upset about it.
    He didnt appreciate the funny side of it?
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    Scott_P said:

    @TimGattITV: One of the first politicians to take a selfie? Tony Blair in 2005 (h/t @suemacmillan) http://t.co/QI1uIACNka

    So yet another example of "heir to Blair" Cameron acting like a tribute act.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited December 2013
    Neil said:

    AndyJS said:

    isam said:
    Definitely not, there was a partially deaf person on Radio Four's PM programme tonight who was very upset about it.
    He didnt appreciate the funny side of it?
    Funny? It was a huge insult to Mandela's memory.

    I assume this comment on the Guardian website is being sarcastic:

    "Frances56 11 December 2013 4:12pm

    He did his best and that's what matters."
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    If the fake sign-language guy had been white, I assume the whole of Primrose Hill and Crouch End would have been up in arms about it.
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    AndyJS said:

    Funny? It was a huge insult to Mandela's memory.

    Come on, AndyJS, it's one of the funniest news stories you've read in a while. I'm sure Mandela isnt too upset about it.
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    AndyJS said:

    If the fake sign-language guy had been white, I assume the whole of Primrose Hill and Crouch End would have been up in arms about it.

    What has race got to do with it? Was Mandela's life work in vain?

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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,291
    It reminds me of two wonderful hoaxes- Captain of Köpenick 1906 and The 1910 Abyssinian inspection of HMS Dreadnought.

    I hope that there aren't people out there who want retribution.
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    Financier said:

    More common sense from Sir Michael Wilshaw:

    "National curriculum tests for 14-year-olds in England's school should be reintroduced, says the chief inspector of schools, Sir Michael Wilshaw.

    Sir Michael said it had been a mistake to drop the tests (known as Sats) at the end of Key Stage 3 in 2008.

    He also said Sats taken at age seven should be externally moderated - at present teachers conduct assessments.

    Giving his annual report, said he was "strongly urging" ministers to re-introduce external tests for both ages.

    He said it was vital that youngsters' progress in English and maths was regularly checked....

    "In getting rid of the tests, we conceded too much ground to vested interests. Our education system should be run for the benefit of children, and no-one else.

    "With the proposed abandonment of national curriculum levels, it is vital that children's progress and outcomes are benchmarked at regular intervals in their school career.

    "If we are serious about raising standards and catching up with the best in the world, we need to know how pupils are doing at seven, 11, 14 and 16."

    The Ofsted chief said the watchdog had evidence that some in-school assessment at the end of Key Stage 1 (age seven) was unreliable.

    He said sometimes schools were depressing results at this age so that progress by the end of Key Stage 2 (age 11) looked better."..

    Sir Michael said the decision to abolish national curriculum tests for children in England at the end of Key Stage 3 (Year 9) had been a mistake.

    The tests were dropped in October 2008 by the then Labour Education Secretary, Ed Balls, following a debacle over the marking these external assessments."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-25336254

    Common sense? Well, note that he only thinks it matters because of "the proposed abandonment of national curriculum levels". Why externally assessed (and who will pay for this new bureaucracy) and not administered and marked by computer? It was external assessment that went wrong last time.

    Note too that he says, "we need to know how pupils are doing at seven, 11, 14 and 16," yet children are already tested at seven, 11 and 16, so it is only the 14-year-olds Wilshaw is talking about.

    And who is being assessed? If it is the schools, as this bit implies, "He said sometimes schools were depressing results at this age so that progress by the end of Key Stage 2 (age 11) looked better", then why not test just a small sample? Why test everyone? The PISA tests, which were all the rage last week, do not assess every child in every country.

    If this is for the benefit of the children, what happens next? If Fred and Sameena are found to be lagging in maths at key stage 3, will they qualify for free, enhanced tuition? And why did they not already have this better teaching? I suppose it might guide their choice of GCSE courses but surely both they and their teachers will already know who is better at French, and who leans to biology? What's the point?

    This sounds less like common sense than a saloon bar bore banging on about the good old days. Screw common sense: where's the evidence?
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    The sign language faker is both magnificently appalling and very funny. The spirit of Enrico Palazzo lives on.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,241
    pinball13 said:

    SeanT said:

    fpt

    The Nats MUST be encouraged by that incredible surge in support following the White Paper: the Yes vote is up 1 point in YouGov since September: a stunning and epochal movement of a third of a point towards Yes every month.

    All they have to do is slightly shift the date of the referendum back to maybe 2047AD, when the world is ruled by cruel robot-wizards from Neptune, and they will have overtaken No.

    In the meantime here's a fun (voodoo) poll:
    http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/poll/02-12-2013/should-scotland-be-an-independant-country?utm_source=MSE_Newsletter&utm_medium=pollresults&utm_term=10-Dec-13-lt&utm_campaign=poll&utm_content=10

    56% Yes
    44% No
    What a bunch of pies they are , did not like the Scottish result so put up a pathetic script. I wonder if they are any better at financial guidance. One to give a miss I think, "expert" is only in their tiny minds.
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    notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    Neil said:

    AndyJS said:

    Funny? It was a huge insult to Mandela's memory.

    Come on, AndyJS, it's one of the funniest news stories you've read in a while. I'm sure Mandela isnt too upset about it.
    You get the impression that Mandela had a really great sense of humour, and made others laugh in his presence. In that sense i would imagine he would find the whole thing hilarious.
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    malcolmg said:

    pinball13 said:

    SeanT said:

    fpt

    The Nats MUST be encouraged by that incredible surge in support following the White Paper: the Yes vote is up 1 point in YouGov since September: a stunning and epochal movement of a third of a point towards Yes every month.

    All they have to do is slightly shift the date of the referendum back to maybe 2047AD, when the world is ruled by cruel robot-wizards from Neptune, and they will have overtaken No.

    In the meantime here's a fun (voodoo) poll:
    http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/poll/02-12-2013/should-scotland-be-an-independant-country?utm_source=MSE_Newsletter&utm_medium=pollresults&utm_term=10-Dec-13-lt&utm_campaign=poll&utm_content=10

    56% Yes
    44% No
    What a bunch of pies they are , did not like the Scottish result so put up a pathetic script. I wonder if they are any better at financial guidance. One to give a miss I think, "expert" is only in their tiny minds.
    Sometimes you're funnier than any of the spoofs we've had on pbc!
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,241
    Scott_P said:

    Yes campaigners would have you believe that the future for Scotland inside the United Kingdom is bleaker than a November day in Fraserburgh. A cold future awaits us, perhaps even a mini ice age. Just contemplating the notion should be enough to give you the shivers.

    the SNP think Scotland is some poor, abused, much put upon creature. A victim, in other words. There is, thus, a streak of self-pity running through the Yes campaign and self-pity is rarely ennobling or dignified. Poor wee Scotland needs independence, you see, to protect itself against the southern nasties.

    But most people don’t think like that. They don’t believe Scots should be scared of a future within the United Kingdom for the obvious reason that they’re not scared by living in the United Kingdom right now. Trying to persuade them otherwise asks them to doubt their own experience.
    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/alex-massie/2013/12/scottish-nationalisms-dangerous-cult-of-victimhood/

    Still flailing about with the diddy unionist propaganda Scott. Cringe cringe
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,241
    SeanT said:

    pinball13 said:

    SeanT said:

    fpt

    The Nats MUST be encouraged by that incredible surge in support following the White Paper: the Yes vote is up 1 point in YouGov since September: a stunning and epochal movement of a third of a point towards Yes every month.

    All they have to do is slightly shift the date of the referendum back to maybe 2047AD, when the world is ruled by cruel robot-wizards from Neptune, and they will have overtaken No.

    In the meantime here's a fun (voodoo) poll:
    http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/poll/02-12-2013/should-scotland-be-an-independant-country?utm_source=MSE_Newsletter&utm_medium=pollresults&utm_term=10-Dec-13-lt&utm_campaign=poll&utm_content=10

    56% Yes
    44% No
    I love this disclaimer under the Scottish polling:

    Note: We have detected unusual voting patterns on the 'I live in Scotland' vote – inc a disproportionate number of Scottish voters (even taking into account the topic). Its likely there’ve been email/social media campaigns to drum up voters. So the result may be far from representative.
    It was written for fools so no surprise.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,291
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    Tonight's Nighthawks is going to be Gold.

    It's True.
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    corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    isam said:

    Jonathan said:

    Neil said:

    isam said:

    Question on BBC1s Pointless (100 people were asked the question, which correct answer got the fewest points?)

    Post War Leaders of the Opposition...

    5 were pointless...

    Did temporary leaders count? Cause Harriet Harman, Margaret Beckett etc. would have been a good lot of them if so.

    If permanent then surely Hugh Gaitskill was one of them, Douglas-HOme maybe? John Smith even? Winston Churchill?
    Maybe famous PMs (who were also LoO) were overlooked. Tony Blair, Margaret Thatcher, Attlee and Major are not famous for their stints as Leader of the Opposition.
    Pointless answers were Alec Douglas-Home ( I got that one!), George Brown, Herbert Morrison, James Callaghan & Hugh Gaitskill.

    The Contestants said Callaghan, Blair (30), Cameron 27, IDS 11, John Smith 12, Michael Howard 3, William Hague 19, Kinnock 21.

    Top Answers were Cameron, Blair & Ed (33)

    Michael Foot?
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    TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Jonathan said:

    Scott_P said:

    @TimGattITV: One of the first politicians to take a selfie? Tony Blair in 2005 (h/t @suemacmillan) http://t.co/QI1uIACNka

    So yet another example of "heir to Blair" Cameron acting like a tribute act.
    Except Cameron was taking the Selfie, a Kinnock was.
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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    "Eastleigh Constituency Result (2013 Locals):
    LD - 37.6%
    UKIP - 35.5%
    CON - 18.0%
    LAB - 8.4%
    GRN - 0.4%
    OTH - 0.2%"

    twitter.com/BWalker_1995/status/410801969474056193
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913

    Jonathan said:

    Scott_P said:

    @TimGattITV: One of the first politicians to take a selfie? Tony Blair in 2005 (h/t @suemacmillan) http://t.co/QI1uIACNka

    So yet another example of "heir to Blair" Cameron acting like a tribute act.
    Except Cameron was taking the Selfie, a Kinnock was.
    Following both Blair and a Kinnock now. What's the betting he's spoking a Wilsonion pipe by Christmas?
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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    I agree with everything Wilshaw's said on behaviour - though it has to come from the top, effective systems/processes etc.

    http://teachingbattleground.wordpress.com/2013/10/19/how-to-be-bad-smt/

    On testing... certainly I'd be in favour of a reliable (there's the rub) test between KS2 and 3, externally marked and moderated. But that will cost a lot of dosh, and the quality/consistency of external marking is another issue.

    Two views on the latest on free schools:

    http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/media-centre/blogs/category/item/national-audit-office

    http://lauramcinerney.com/2013/12/10/the-12-most-critical-findings-of-the-nao-free-school-report/
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    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Scott_P said:

    @TimGattITV: One of the first politicians to take a selfie? Tony Blair in 2005 (h/t @suemacmillan) http://t.co/QI1uIACNka

    So yet another example of "heir to Blair" Cameron acting like a tribute act.
    Except Cameron was taking the Selfie, a Kinnock was.
    Following both Blair and a Kinnock now. What's the betting he's spoking a Wilsonion pipe by Christmas?
    Cameron wasn't holding the camera, Barry and the Dane were (so not technically a selfie) If anything he was 'photo-bombing. - A first for a PM ; )
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    Tonight's Nighthawks is going to be Gold.

    It's True.

    Cut a long story short and tell us why.

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    TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited December 2013
    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Scott_P said:

    @TimGattITV: One of the first politicians to take a selfie? Tony Blair in 2005 (h/t @suemacmillan) http://t.co/QI1uIACNka

    So yet another example of "heir to Blair" Cameron acting like a tribute act.
    Except Cameron was taking the Selfie, a Kinnock was.
    Following both Blair and a Kinnock now. What's the betting he's spoking a Wilsonion pipe by Christmas?
    Someone else takes a photo of you and you're following them? Can't quite follow the logic there.

    I suppose all the children in the Blair photo 'took a selfie' just by being in the frame whilst he pressed the shutter button?

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    corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Scott_P said:

    @TimGattITV: One of the first politicians to take a selfie? Tony Blair in 2005 (h/t @suemacmillan) http://t.co/QI1uIACNka

    So yet another example of "heir to Blair" Cameron acting like a tribute act.
    Except Cameron was taking the Selfie, a Kinnock was.
    Following both Blair and a Kinnock now. What's the betting he's spoking a Wilsonion pipe by Christmas?
    Cameron wasn't holding the camera, Barry and the Dane were (so not technically a selfie) If anything he was 'photo-bombing. - A first for a PM ; )
    It's only photo-bombing if they didn't know/want him in the picture.
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    Back on topic, I would be astonished if the LibDem manifesto looked anything like the Tories. Yes the yellows will campaign in the positives they want to take from the coalition. But their policy platform has to be different, and going off the outrage amongst their grass routes on Clegg signing onto Austerity (and Carton not!) the party wouldn't let him. Especially with an eye on a Lab-LS coalition option.

    Anyway, I struggle with why anyone who isn't a party member would vote LibDem in the general election. If you support the government vote Tory. You want to throw it out vote Labour. Want to vote them all out vote UKIP. The LibDems are a duplicate of several of those options defending on the seat in question.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    How the Tube Map would look if most of the stations were in south London rather than north:

    http://www.steveprentice.net/tube/TfLSillyMaps/southlondontube.jpg
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    corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    Back on topic, I would be astonished if the LibDem manifesto looked anything like the Tories. Yes the yellows will campaign in the positives they want to take from the coalition. But their policy platform has to be different, and going off the outrage amongst their grass routes on Clegg signing onto Austerity (and Carton not!) the party wouldn't let him. Especially with an eye on a Lab-LS coalition option.

    Anyway, I struggle with why anyone who isn't a party member would vote LibDem in the general election. If you support the government vote Tory. You want to throw it out vote Labour. Want to vote them all out vote UKIP. The LibDems are a duplicate of several of those options defending on the seat in question.

    Perhaps they think dividing the political spectrum like that is a bit too simplistic?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited December 2013
    Neil said:

    AndyJS said:

    Funny? It was a huge insult to Mandela's memory.

    Come on, AndyJS, it's one of the funniest news stories you've read in a while. I'm sure Mandela isnt too upset about it.
    It's quite funny in itself, but the problem is it's an indication of how the ANC does everything else these days. Jobs are doled out according to connections rather than merit, and no-one bothers to check up on it, even for the most important of occasions.

    It shows that, regrettably, South Africa is heading in the same direction as Zimbabwe.
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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Apparently Wilshaw's on Newsnight, and this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Bennett_(author)
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    corporeal said:

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Scott_P said:

    @TimGattITV: One of the first politicians to take a selfie? Tony Blair in 2005 (h/t @suemacmillan) http://t.co/QI1uIACNka

    So yet another example of "heir to Blair" Cameron acting like a tribute act.
    Except Cameron was taking the Selfie, a Kinnock was.
    Following both Blair and a Kinnock now. What's the betting he's spoking a Wilsonion pipe by Christmas?
    Cameron wasn't holding the camera, Barry and the Dane were (so not technically a selfie) If anything he was 'photo-bombing. - A first for a PM ; )
    It's only photo-bombing if they didn't know/want him in the picture.
    To which the obvious quip is ‘perhaps they didn’t – cheers for the explanation. : )
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    RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited December 2013
    @Carola - The overall picture on Free Schools is quite amazingly positive. I'm astonished at how many are already up and running (I won my bet with tim on that with a big margin to spare), the early OFSTED inspection results are good (albeit on a small sample), and the take-up of places, in the first couple of years from a standing start, is astonishingly high given the short time they have had to establish themselves.

    The moaning by Laura McInerney and others only serves to illustrate this. She is reduced to finding fault with things which are completely irrelevant (such as the number of places in so-called 'greatest need', which of course is not what these are about), piddling (a write-off of £700K on 15 aborted projects - how much does she think government departments usually spend on feasibility studies?), or show the opposite to what she's criticising (such as the finding that 40% of the schools had 1 in 5 vacancies in their second year - I'd have expected many more for something so new).
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Tonight's Nighthawks is going to be Gold.

    It's True.

    Is that two songs or three in there? Are you claiming 'Tonight'/Iggy Pop?

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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    YouGov — Labour leads, 1st to 11th December 2012:

    13%, 12%, 14%, 12%, 10%, 9%, 9%, 12%.

    Average: 11.4%

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2012

    YouGov — Labour leads, 1st to 11th December 2013:

    6%, 8%, 6%, 12%, 5%, 5%, 5%

    Average: 6.7%

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2013
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    corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    corporeal said:

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Scott_P said:

    @TimGattITV: One of the first politicians to take a selfie? Tony Blair in 2005 (h/t @suemacmillan) http://t.co/QI1uIACNka

    So yet another example of "heir to Blair" Cameron acting like a tribute act.
    Except Cameron was taking the Selfie, a Kinnock was.
    Following both Blair and a Kinnock now. What's the betting he's spoking a Wilsonion pipe by Christmas?
    Cameron wasn't holding the camera, Barry and the Dane were (so not technically a selfie) If anything he was 'photo-bombing. - A first for a PM ; )
    It's only photo-bombing if they didn't know/want him in the picture.
    To which the obvious quip is ‘perhaps they didn’t – cheers for the explanation. : )
    I do my best to help. Selfies are of course photos taken of yourself, either alone or with others (you can be in someone else's selfie, of course, or have a group selfie although proper protocol lays down primary author credit goes to the person taking the photo, with second position taken by the phone owner if that's a seperate person, then other group members).

    Photo bombing is someone (or something) popping up away from the focus of the picture (mainly in the background), intention implied but not necessary.

    Fair sized sections of the internet are devoted to cataloguing such instances.
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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805

    @Carola - The overall picture on Free Schools is quite amazingly positive. I'm astonished at how many are already up and running (I won my bet with tim on that with a big margin to spare), the early OFSTED inspection results are good (albeit on a small sample), and the take-up of places, in the first couple of years from a standing start, is astonishingly high given the short time they have had to establish themselves.

    The moaning by Laura McInerney and others only serves to illustrate this. She is reduced to finding fault with things which are completely irrelevant (such as the number of places in so-called 'greatest need', which of course is not what these are about), piddling (a write-off of £700K on 15 aborted projects - how much does she think government departments usually spend on feasibility studies?), or show the opposite to what she's criticising (such as the finding that 40% of the schools had 1 in 5 vacancies in their second year - I'd have expected many more for something so new).

    McInerney is pro free schools. It's process and accountability she has issues with.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited December 2013
    "Alison Acton ‏@alisonacton 3h

    South Suffolk MP Tim Yeo says he will fight to be reselected as the Conservative candidate for 2015. More on @BBCSuffolk after 5":


    twitter.com/alisonacton/status/410814984516407296
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    TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    tim said:

    Carola said:

    @Carola - The overall picture on Free Schools is quite amazingly positive. I'm astonished at how many are already up and running (I won my bet with tim on that with a big margin to spare), the early OFSTED inspection results are good (albeit on a small sample), and the take-up of places, in the first couple of years from a standing start, is astonishingly high given the short time they have had to establish themselves.

    The moaning by Laura McInerney and others only serves to illustrate this. She is reduced to finding fault with things which are completely irrelevant (such as the number of places in so-called 'greatest need', which of course is not what these are about), piddling (a write-off of £700K on 15 aborted projects - how much does she think government departments usually spend on feasibility studies?), or show the opposite to what she's criticising (such as the finding that 40% of the schools had 1 in 5 vacancies in their second year - I'd have expected many more for something so new).

    McInerney is pro free schools. It's process and accountability she has issues with.
    This is religion for Richard don't introduce facts
    A profitable one too, by the looks of things.

    'I won my bet with tim on that with a big margin to spare'


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    RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited December 2013
    tim said:

    This is religion for Richard don't introduce facts

    The facts are 174 free schools open, 82,000 places, 86% of places taken, a higher proportion of schools ranked Good or better by Ofsted than Academies or Maintained schools (admittedly on a very small sample so far), and £50 contributed by tim to the good cause of the Nabavi wine cellar. That's a pretty good scorecard however you look at it.
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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805

    tim said:

    This is religion for Richard don't introduce facts

    The facts are 174 free schools open, 82,000 places, 86% of place taken, a higher proportion of schools ranked Good or better by Ofsted than Academies or Maintained schools (admittedly on a very small sample so far), and £50 contributed by tim to the good cause of the Nabavi wine cellar. That's a pretty good scorecard however you look at it.
    The biggest issue at the moment in ed imo is the difference between what Wilshaw says (much of which I agree with, though he's too *careful* about apportioning blame to managers) and what Ofsted do. Ofsted is a dog's breakfast, though there are signs that things are changing... that's if the inspectors take any notice of stuff like this:

    http://www.theguardian.com/teacher-network/teacher-blog/2013/dec/11/ofsted-annual-report-michael-wilshaw

    And the focus on the Ofsted mess has largely been pushed by teacher bloggers who are fed up to the back teeth with getting the blame for crap/weak management.
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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Carola said:

    tim said:

    This is religion for Richard don't introduce facts

    The facts are 174 free schools open, 82,000 places, 86% of place taken, a higher proportion of schools ranked Good or better by Ofsted than Academies or Maintained schools (admittedly on a very small sample so far), and £50 contributed by tim to the good cause of the Nabavi wine cellar. That's a pretty good scorecard however you look at it.
    The biggest issue at the moment in ed imo is the difference between what Wilshaw says (much of which I agree with, though he's too *careful* about apportioning blame to managers) and what Ofsted do. Ofsted is a dog's breakfast, though there are signs that things are changing... that's if the inspectors take any notice of stuff like this:

    http://www.theguardian.com/teacher-network/teacher-blog/2013/dec/11/ofsted-annual-report-michael-wilshaw

    And the focus on the Ofsted mess has largely been pushed by teacher bloggers who are fed up to the back teeth with getting the blame for crap/weak management.
    Free schools are just a distraction.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,953
    AndyJS said:

    YouGov — Labour leads, 1st to 11th December 2012:

    13%, 12%, 14%, 12%, 10%, 9%, 9%, 12%.

    Average: 11.4%

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2012

    YouGov — Labour leads, 1st to 11th December 2013:

    6%, 8%, 6%, 12%, 5%, 5%, 5%

    Average: 6.7%

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2013

    Another year like that and the Tories might have a very slight lead by Christmas 2014!
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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Carola said:

    tim said:

    This is religion for Richard don't introduce facts

    The facts are 174 free schools open, 82,000 places, 86% of place taken, a higher proportion of schools ranked Good or better by Ofsted than Academies or Maintained schools (admittedly on a very small sample so far), and £50 contributed by tim to the good cause of the Nabavi wine cellar. That's a pretty good scorecard however you look at it.
    The biggest issue at the moment in ed imo is the difference between what Wilshaw says (much of which I agree with, though he's too *careful* about apportioning blame to managers) and what Ofsted do. Ofsted is a dog's breakfast, though there are signs that things are changing... that's if the inspectors take any notice of stuff like this:

    http://www.theguardian.com/teacher-network/teacher-blog/2013/dec/11/ofsted-annual-report-michael-wilshaw

    And the focus on the Ofsted mess has largely been pushed by teacher bloggers who are fed up to the back teeth with getting the blame for crap/weak management.
    http://teachingbattleground.wordpress.com/2012/10/13/what-ofsted-say-they-want/

    http://teachingbattleground.wordpress.com/2013/02/16/what-ofsted-actually-want/
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,953
    edited December 2013
    Why does the Home Page only work if you put www1 before PB.Com?
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    @Carola - I agree on Ofsted, and indeed the whole testing/inspection process which has become demoralising for teachers, over-bureaucratic, and too focused on process. It's also true that Free Schools are a very small part of the overall picture (although they draw a disportionate amount of criticism - maybe that's part of Gove's plan, so he can get on with promoting Academies which in numeric terms are hugely more important).

    I hope that Michael Wilshaw will be able to make Ofsted a more effective instrument. It's not easy to design a good regulatory/oversight structure, but he seems to have a good appreciation of the issues.
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    TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited December 2013
    tim said:

    tim said:

    This is religion for Richard don't introduce facts

    The facts are 174 free schools open, 82,000 places, 86% of places taken, a higher proportion of schools ranked Good or better by Ofsted than Academies or Maintained schools (admittedly on a very small sample so far), and £50 contributed by tim to the good cause of the Nabavi wine cellar. That's a pretty good scorecard however you look at it.
    And the percentage of the nations children in Goves obsession compared to the millions of children rescued from the wreckage of the Tories legacy in London?
    You're blaming them for the carnage wreaked by ILEA and the GLC now?

    Meanwhile, over in Wales...

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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805

    @Carola - I agree on Ofsted, and indeed the whole testing/inspection process which has become demoralising for teachers, over-bureaucratic, and too focused on process. It's also true that Free Schools are a very small part of the overall picture (although they draw a disportionate amount of criticism - maybe that's part of Gove's plan, so he can get on with promoting Academies which in numeric terms are hugely more important).

    I hope that Michael Wilshaw will be able to make Ofsted a more effective instrument. It's not easy to design a good regulatory/oversight structure, but he seems to have a good appreciation of the issues.

    I don't think he does have a good appreciation of the issues, though he seems to be waking up to them now. Ofsted is the blobbiest bit of the 'Blob' there is.

    Ofsted inspector training does seem to be shifting focus, but movement has been slow - unnecessarily slow. I think Wilshaw is genuine re his desire to improve education, but I don't think he's appreciated the fact that there are many teachers out there (the vast majority, in my experience) who are desperate for change.

    I think Gove's drive is different, and I don't think he cares about teachers, good or bad.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,380
    GIN1138 said:

    Why does the Home Page only work if you put www1 before PB.Com?

    Personally I type www.p and the predictive firefox does the rest. Only works because I have limited interests and don't regularly visit www.perfectchancellor.com and other Richard N favourites :-)
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Carola said:


    I think Gove's drive is different, and I don't think he cares about teachers, good or bad.

    He should care about education - which is not the same thing.

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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    isam said:

    john_zims said:

    @Tim

    FPT

    'People forget just what a dump much of London turned into under the Tories, who had also wrecked local govt in the city.

    They vandalised the capital and it's schools.'

    What a stupid comment,even by your standards.

    Have you actually ever lived in London or anywhere other than the Sociailist Republic of Scouseland?

    Labour ran London education, in the guise of the GLC and ILEA, for most of the Thatcher Years

    I had a friend who used to work for the GLC and it really was a left wing loon disaster area.

    Plus when they had a strike he had to sneak in via a back entrance to avoid getting a thumping.

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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    tim said:

    @Zims

    The Tories wrecked govt in London deliberately and left it's schools the worst in the country.
    Labour left with its schools having improved beyond all comparison, and left a capital to be proud of.

    Well, that answers the question of whether you ever lived there.

    Obviously not.

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    TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    tim said:

    tim said:

    tim said:

    This is religion for Richard don't introduce facts

    The facts are 174 free schools open, 82,000 places, 86% of places taken, a higher proportion of schools ranked Good or better by Ofsted than Academies or Maintained schools (admittedly on a very small sample so far), and £50 contributed by tim to the good cause of the Nabavi wine cellar. That's a pretty good scorecard however you look at it.
    And the percentage of the nations children in Goves obsession compared to the millions of children rescued from the wreckage of the Tories legacy in London?
    You're blaming them for the carnage wreaked by ILEA and the GLC now?

    Meanwhile, over in Wales...

    When were they abolished?

    You remind me of that tragic stalker EdP, are you a reincarnation?
    I love the way responding to the most prolific poster here marks one out as 'a stalker'.

    Rest assured, I wouldn't waste my time following you elsewhere. Have you ever thought about your own website?

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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    tim said:

    tim said:

    The Tories wrecked govt in London deliberately and left it's schools the worst in the country.

    LOL!

    Were you living, as I was, in London when Red Ken was at the GLC? The idea that the GLC (and the bizarre duplication with the resonsibilities of local councils) was some kind of model of good governance is one your funniest suggestions ever.
    I the past you've criticised the wrecking of Londons govt by the 1979-1997 tories, and I realise the BBC or someone else will be to blame for the state of Londons schools in the 90's but the population carried on electing Labour councils, something changed and schools improved out of all proportion.

    That really is strange because I lived in London and went to school there and I don't recognise this rosy picture you are trying to paint.

    I must be imagining the shortages of books and even paper then?

    Clueless or shameless, which is it?

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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,953
    edited December 2013

    GIN1138 said:

    Why does the Home Page only work if you put www1 before PB.Com?

    Personally I type www.p and the predictive firefox does the rest. Only works because I have limited interests and don't regularly visit www.perfectchancellor.com and other Richard N favourites :-)
    I've just been doing politicalbetting.com and the home page hasn't been updated since December 3rd, so I tried www1 the other day and it worked.

    Doesn't really matter of course, but it must be costing Mike traffic/revenue because a lot of people don't think of using www. these days.

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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    john_zims said:

    @isam

    'Labour ran London education, in the guise of the GLC and ILEA, for most of the Thatcher Years'

    True,but that won't stop Tim trying to re-write history.

    Anyone that lived in London when Livingstone was running the GLC experienced the circus at first hand.

    Exactly
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