Odd how we still seem to be deluding ourselves that "our" NHS is in a much better position than the hopeless old Italians. The data says not!
And yet, we don't seem to be seeing anything like the situations there was in Italy with army trucks taking away corpses etc. Either this is due to Italian cases being hyperlocalised (Lombardy beyonf breaking point but the south being almost unctouched?) or the Italian data is a muc hbigger understatement of the real situation than our data.
As far as Leicester goes, it looks as if our peak (hospital) deaths was 6 April.
I think that Social Care is a week or two behind though, and will suffer over the next week or so.
Right very positive stuff about NHS deaths in Leicester then
Looking at the chart, we are a little over half the national rate. I think that you must be in "Joined Up Derbyshire STP" at a little over the national rate.
The biggest hotspot at present seems to be Newcastle and around.
Some comfort to see Devon has the lowest deaths after being the first (Italian school ski-trip caused) hot-spot. I think folks here hunkered down harder and faster because of that - the results would seem to support it. We are running at around 1/15th of the rate in the Black Country.
We must also have one of the highest average ages in the country - a further incentive for Devon residents to keep the hell out of Dodge.
The virus won't propagate well in areas where retired couples live together in low population density with small shops about.
Big families living cheek by jowl, heading into big supermarkets is what it needs to thrive.
All the days are the same for me in the lockdown; so can anyone explain why the Bank Holiday should continue to have its ususal salience, given that there has been no slacking off over the Easter weekend as staff went away for a break. Why SHOULD the numbers be different over a "Bank Holiday" that never was?
That's the kind of thinking that cancels the tea break, just because the Russians have launched 2500 warhead nuclear first strike.
That would be silly.
After all, you can’t have your tea break after the warheads have hit. You need to get it in first.
And if there is no defence against those warheads, what more useful could you be doing?
The government will almost certainly have better figures. Deaths aren’t included in the public figures until relatives have been notified. But the hospitals will presumably have privately reported to the government the actual numbers well before then.
I confess I'm still hugely cautious over these figures. Confirmed vases still increasing by nearly 5% per day which suggests the virus is still going strong - is anyone applying a ratio for known cases to unknown cases to get a sense of how many actual cases there are?
I'm of the view as cases fall and capacity becomes available the urgent non-Covid patients need to have some priority with the rescheduling of cancelled procedures vital and if we have some spare capactity why not keep it running to clear the backlog and help those who have had to suffer because NHS resources have been required elsewhere.
I see Dyson ventilators have so far failed to pass safety tests
What a surprise
Dysons suck?
A disgusting attempt at a PR stunt that diverted attention away from more serious efforts. The government might have better used valuable time in discussions with our very large pharma biotech and diagnostic sector to work out ways of ramping up testing. Instead they chose to give publicity to Brexit supporting showboaters such as Dyson and Bamford of JCB, pretending they can magic up ventilators (of which they have zero experience) rather than speaking to proper ventilator manufacturers and getting them to contract their products under licence to serious medical device manufacturers.
I see Dyson ventilators have so far failed to pass safety tests
What a surprise
Dysons suck?
A disgusting attempt at a PR stunt that diverted attention away from more serious efforts. The government might have better used valuable time in discussions with our very large pharma biotech and diagnostic sector to work out ways of ramping up testing. Instead they chose to give publicity to Brexit supporting showboaters such as Dyson and Bamford of JCB, pretending they can magic up ventilators (of which they have zero experience) rather than speaking to proper ventilator manufacturers and getting them to contract their products under licence to serious medical device manufacturers.
If they hadn't bothered, you would be here 24/7 screaming "WHY DIDN'T THEY AT LEAST TRY???"
No I was shouting at the time why start from scratch when current manufacturers were twiddling their thumbs saying they could scale up
Another waste of time and resource.
Nice publicity at the time but ultimately another compete and absolute failure that you didnt need to be very clever to forecast.
It was the equivalent of Mao Tse Tung's attempt to get peasants to go into steel production. It was a complete joke and most likely driven by a desire to give government cronies (Dyson and Bamford) a free publicity ego trip.
I see Dyson ventilators have so far failed to pass safety tests
What a surprise
Dysons suck?
A disgusting attempt at a PR stunt that diverted attention away from more serious efforts. The government might have better used valuable time in discussions with our very large pharma biotech and diagnostic sector to work out ways of ramping up testing. Instead they chose to give publicity to Brexit supporting showboaters such as Dyson and Bamford of JCB, pretending they can magic up ventilators (of which they have zero experience) rather than speaking to proper ventilator manufacturers and getting them to contract their products under licence to serious medical device manufacturers.
Perhaps so. I think though it's implausible that any big company would risk a sharabang show on this.
Dyson's and others issues with the ventilators, as much as it may be a source of smart arse amusement, isn't good news. Again, ensuring the capacity is there is critical to lifting the relative stasis that the country is in.
My earlier post mentioning that the govt is likely to look at relaxing things post the May day bank holiday or holding out until the end of May holiday has probably been borne out by the local administration in Northern Ireland holding the current restrictions until the 9th May. I suspect this has already been agreed elsewhere but the bods in Belfast jumped the gun. NI is not considered far behind London in its cycle, a few days at most and the Health Minister here has suggested that the 1st wave projections aren't half as ugly as first thought.
Bank holidays loom large in thinking. I'm wondering if mentally the politicians and the civil servants fear that if they make moves to relax things before a bank holiday that everyone on their extra day off will just run out and go apeshit and stand next to each other or something.
The real challenge might be July/August, likely to have many restrictions lifted, holiday season and potentially a gentle run in to things picking up autumn, but there are still a lot of holidays booked.
If they hadn't bothered, you would be here 24/7 screaming "WHY DIDN'T THEY AT LEAST TRY???"
No I was shouting at the time why start from scratch when current manufacturers were twiddling their thumbs saying they could scale up
Another waste of time and resource.
Nice publicity at the time but ultimately another compete and absolute failure that you didnt need to be very clever to forecast.
Oh ? I just took it as read that we'd use existing manufacturers AND then the Dyson stuff on top.
Not how it works. Anyone with a miniscule understanding of medical device manufacture would know this was nonsense, and I suspect there must have been plenty of people who would have told them so . It was comic book propaganda at best and a PR stunt for cronies at worst. Take your pick.
If they hadn't bothered, you would be here 24/7 screaming "WHY DIDN'T THEY AT LEAST TRY???"
If the thinking was a higher peak in June, then emergency ventilators arriving then was necessary to make that work. Once you accept that "as many cases as possible this summer to build immunity, with as much emergency healthcare as we can procure" has been replaced by "keep the cases down while we work out the next step" then the needs change.
Can someone help me with this quiz question: "Ignoring Tony Blair, who was the last labour leader to win a general election to become Prime Minister? "
Checking Flightradar24, there is not a single A380 in the air - and only one 346 (Iranian airline) - my two favourite aircraft. Plenty of 747 - almost all of them cargo. Ironically about half a dozen of the original Airbus wide bodies - the A300 are in the air hauling cargo.
I see Dyson ventilators have so far failed to pass safety tests
What a surprise
Dysons suck?
A disgusting attempt at a PR stunt that diverted attention away from more serious efforts. The government might have better used valuable time in discussions with our very large pharma biotech and diagnostic sector to work out ways of ramping up testing. Instead they chose to give publicity to Brexit supporting showboaters such as Dyson and Bamford of JCB, pretending they can magic up ventilators (of which they have zero experience) rather than speaking to proper ventilator manufacturers and getting them to contract their products under licence to serious medical device manufacturers.
Perhaps so. I think though it's implausible that any big company would risk a sharabang show on this.
Oh they most definitely will, particularly when led by an egotist like Dyson. He probably arrogantly thought it would be as easy as a vacuum cleaner. The main difference that Mr Dyson clearly doesn't understand is that a human life is not dependent upon a cordless bagless vac!!
Dyson's and others issues with the ventilators, as much as it may be a source of smart arse amusement, isn't good news. Again, ensuring the capacity is there is critical to lifting the relative stasis that the country is in.
My earlier post mentioning that the govt is likely to look at relaxing things post the May day bank holiday or holding out until the end of May holiday has probably been borne out by the local administration in Northern Ireland holding the current restrictions until the 9th May. I suspect this has already been agreed elsewhere but the bods in Belfast jumped the gun. NI is not considered far behind London in its cycle, a few days at most and the Health Minister here has suggested that the 1st wave projections aren't half as ugly as first thought.
Bank holidays loom large in thinking. I'm wondering if mentally the politicians and the civil servants fear that if they make moves to relax things before a bank holiday that everyone on their extra day off will just run out and go apeshit and stand next to each other or something.
The real challenge might be July/August, likely to have many restrictions lifted, holiday season and potentially a gentle run in to things picking up autumn, but there are still a lot of holidays booked.
I could see May 8th becoming a joint celebration of two kinds of deliverance - one from war in 1945 and another from coronavirus in 2020.
A little overblown perhaps but I could see the Govenrment trying to roll the two events into one symbolically - perhaps the Thursday night clapping will be Friday lunchtime clapping that week.
The weekend and restrictions eased from Monday morning.
The government will almost certainly have better figures. Deaths aren’t included in the public figures until relatives have been notified. But the hospitals will presumably have privately reported to the government the actual numbers well before then.
I confess I'm still hugely cautious over these figures. Confirmed vases still increasing by nearly 5% per day which suggests the virus is still going strong - is anyone applying a ratio for known cases to unknown cases to get a sense of how many actual cases there are?
I'm of the view as cases fall and capacity becomes available the urgent non-Covid patients need to have some priority with the rescheduling of cancelled procedures vital and if we have some spare capactity why not keep it running to clear the backlog and help those who have had to suffer because NHS resources have been required elsewhere.
Actually no, if it is 5% it is good at this time. It appears a common pattern is 35% per day, 21-22%, 13% and then 8%. Its a remarkably consistent progression that many European countries have followed in their curve. Given the contagious nature of this thing, 5% growth is very manageable from a public health perspective. Sustained 35% and 20% odd percent most definitely not.
The new boys (F1 consortium, Dyson perhaps, Musk in the states) seem to be producing CPAPs but who have we orderede the heavy duty *real* ventilators from ?
Dyson's and others issues with the ventilators, as much as it may be a source of smart arse amusement, isn't good news. Again, ensuring the capacity is there is critical to lifting the relative stasis that the country is in.
My earlier post mentioning that the govt is likely to look at relaxing things post the May day bank holiday or holding out until the end of May holiday has probably been borne out by the local administration in Northern Ireland holding the current restrictions until the 9th May. I suspect this has already been agreed elsewhere but the bods in Belfast jumped the gun. NI is not considered far behind London in its cycle, a few days at most and the Health Minister here has suggested that the 1st wave projections aren't half as ugly as first thought.
Bank holidays loom large in thinking. I'm wondering if mentally the politicians and the civil servants fear that if they make moves to relax things before a bank holiday that everyone on their extra day off will just run out and go apeshit and stand next to each other or something.
The real challenge might be July/August, likely to have many restrictions lifted, holiday season and potentially a gentle run in to things picking up autumn, but there are still a lot of holidays booked.
I could see May 8th becoming a joint celebration of two kinds of deliverance - one from war in 1945 and another from coronavirus in 2020.
A little overblown perhaps but I could see the Govenrment trying to roll the two events into one symbolically - perhaps the Thursday night clapping will be Friday lunchtime clapping that week.
The weekend and restrictions eased from Monday morning.
I think nothing gets lifted until after. Announcements on business and commerce yes before but no actual activation until after May Day.
On the previous thread some people were commenting on a particularly large range of predicted results. The largest range I know of involves Graham’s Number. When it was first published in the early 70s it was then the largest number ever used in a mathematical proof. It is a number so large the the visible universe is too small to write out the number which is the number of digits needed to write out the number. If you could somehow know the number then the information contained in it would cause your brain to collapse as a black hole (and that is not an exaggeration). This was not the answer to the problem though, it was nearly the upper bound. The lower bound was...
3.
Graham's number is so large that any physics-based analogies massively understate its scale
For anybody who wants to know more here is a video with Graham himself explaining it.
I haven't the slightest clue what mathematicians mean even when they explain it.
When i have trouble sleeping I try to imagine the magnitude of Graham's number rather than count sheep -It is actually mindblowing how big it is .Each time I think about it I realise it is bigger than before. Although there are bigger numbers - look at the Numberphile video on TREE(3) which is bigger than Grahams Number and also mindblowing.
The new boys (F1 consortium, Dyson perhaps, Musk in the states) seem to be producing CPAPs but who have we orderede the heavy duty *real* ventilators from ?
Musk is in partnership with Medtronic, one of the world's biggest and leading medical device manufacturers. He is basically manufacturing their products in his facility. Don't know how the F1 consortium is going, but I know they have been adapting their tech to medical device applications for some time.
I think nothing gets lifted until after. Announcements on business and commerce yes before but no actual activation until after May Day.
Yes so on Monday May 11th small shops re-open, perhaps some construction and some schools with the next phase after the Bank Holiday later in the month with Monday June 1st the next big relaxation.
Social distancing to remain "official" but increasingly more honoured in the breach than the observance and the restrictions remaining for the vulnerable for perhaps another month - just some back-of-an-envelope thoughts.
Have we drafted Dyson and JCB in to ramp up testing yet?
yea, cos there can't be much difference between making a qPCR diagnostic device and a vacuum cleaner or a digger can there? I mean why shouldn't we ask them to try? Perhaps the chemical reagent can be brewed in a Weatherspoons pub? That'd be really plucky!
Was speaking to a nurse yesterday. For some departments its very quiet all their normal patients have been cancelled. Other areas "its like a warzone".
From what Hancock just said i dont really understand how it can be like a warzone sounds like there are plenty of excess beds
Dyson's and others issues with the ventilators, as much as it may be a source of smart arse amusement, isn't good news. Again, ensuring the capacity is there is critical to lifting the relative stasis that the country is in.
My earlier post mentioning that the govt is likely to look at relaxing things post the May day bank holiday or holding out until the end of May holiday has probably been borne out by the local administration in Northern Ireland holding the current restrictions until the 9th May. I suspect this has already been agreed elsewhere but the bods in Belfast jumped the gun. NI is not considered far behind London in its cycle, a few days at most and the Health Minister here has suggested that the 1st wave projections aren't half as ugly as first thought.
Bank holidays loom large in thinking. I'm wondering if mentally the politicians and the civil servants fear that if they make moves to relax things before a bank holiday that everyone on their extra day off will just run out and go apeshit and stand next to each other or something.
The real challenge might be July/August, likely to have many restrictions lifted, holiday season and potentially a gentle run in to things picking up autumn, but there are still a lot of holidays booked.
I could see May 8th becoming a joint celebration of two kinds of deliverance - one from war in 1945 and another from coronavirus in 2020.
A little overblown perhaps but I could see the Govenrment trying to roll the two events into one symbolically - perhaps the Thursday night clapping will be Friday lunchtime clapping that week.
The weekend and restrictions eased from Monday morning.
I think nothing gets lifted until after. Announcements on business and commerce yes before but no actual activation until after May Day.
Have we drafted Dyson and JCB in to ramp up testing yet?
yea, cos there can't be much difference between making a qPCR diagnostic device and a vacuum cleaner or a digger can there? I mean why shouldn't we ask them to try? Perhaps the chemical reagent can be brewed in a Weatherspoons pub? That'd be really plucky!
Have we drafted Dyson and JCB in to ramp up testing yet?
yea, cos there can't be much difference between making a qPCR diagnostic device and a vacuum cleaner or a digger can there? I mean why shouldn't we ask them to try? Perhaps the chemical reagent can be brewed in a Weatherspoons pub? That'd be really plucky!
Sadly this sort of fantasy Boys Own thinking seems to characterise this government's understanding of reality. Cummings seems to think he's some of STEM superguru but really...
If they hadn't bothered, you would be here 24/7 screaming "WHY DIDN'T THEY AT LEAST TRY???"
If the thinking was a higher peak in June, then emergency ventilators arriving then was necessary to make that work. Once you accept that "as many cases as possible this summer to build immunity, with as much emergency healthcare as we can procure" has been replaced by "keep the cases down while we work out the next step" then the needs change.
The government changed the specification during the prototyping phase. Strangely, this meant that machine manufactured to the original spec didn't meet the new one. So the people building ventilators are updating their designs....
Dyson's and others issues with the ventilators, as much as it may be a source of smart arse amusement, isn't good news. Again, ensuring the capacity is there is critical to lifting the relative stasis that the country is in.
My earlier post mentioning that the govt is likely to look at relaxing things post the May day bank holiday or holding out until the end of May holiday has probably been borne out by the local administration in Northern Ireland holding the current restrictions until the 9th May. I suspect this has already been agreed elsewhere but the bods in Belfast jumped the gun. NI is not considered far behind London in its cycle, a few days at most and the Health Minister here has suggested that the 1st wave projections aren't half as ugly as first thought.
Bank holidays loom large in thinking. I'm wondering if mentally the politicians and the civil servants fear that if they make moves to relax things before a bank holiday that everyone on their extra day off will just run out and go apeshit and stand next to each other or something.
The real challenge might be July/August, likely to have many restrictions lifted, holiday season and potentially a gentle run in to things picking up autumn, but there are still a lot of holidays booked.
I could see May 8th becoming a joint celebration of two kinds of deliverance - one from war in 1945 and another from coronavirus in 2020.
A little overblown perhaps but I could see the Govenrment trying to roll the two events into one symbolically - perhaps the Thursday night clapping will be Friday lunchtime clapping that week.
The weekend and restrictions eased from Monday morning.
I think nothing gets lifted until after. Announcements on business and commerce yes before but no actual activation until after May Day.
MayDay is before the 8th?
I refer to the bank holiday day which is the 8th this year.
I think nothing gets lifted until after. Announcements on business and commerce yes before but no actual activation until after May Day.
Yes so on Monday May 11th small shops re-open, perhaps some construction and some schools with the next phase after the Bank Holiday later in the month with Monday June 1st the next big relaxation.
Social distancing to remain "official" but increasingly more honoured in the breach than the observance and the restrictions remaining for the vulnerable for perhaps another month - just some back-of-an-envelope thoughts.
I think schools are likely to open on or about 4th May.
If they hadn't bothered, you would be here 24/7 screaming "WHY DIDN'T THEY AT LEAST TRY???"
If the thinking was a higher peak in June, then emergency ventilators arriving then was necessary to make that work. Once you accept that "as many cases as possible this summer to build immunity, with as much emergency healthcare as we can procure" has been replaced by "keep the cases down while we work out the next step" then the needs change.
The government changed the specification during the prototyping phase. Strangely, this meant that machine manufactured to the original spec didn't meet the new one. So the people building ventilators are updating their designs....
If they hadn't bothered, you would be here 24/7 screaming "WHY DIDN'T THEY AT LEAST TRY???"
No I was shouting at the time why start from scratch when current manufacturers were twiddling their thumbs saying they could scale up
Another waste of time and resource.
Nice publicity at the time but ultimately another compete and absolute failure that you didnt need to be very clever to forecast.
Oh ? I just took it as read that we'd use existing manufacturers AND then the Dyson stuff on top.
who didn't?
likewise that BBC chart
You mean the one i posted at 7.08pm?
And this is one of many traditional manufacturers suggesting he could ramp up production if asked from weeks ago. 5 LIVE have had several on but you can trawl back as i am too busy making up fake bbc news charts
If they hadn't bothered, you would be here 24/7 screaming "WHY DIDN'T THEY AT LEAST TRY???"
If the thinking was a higher peak in June, then emergency ventilators arriving then was necessary to make that work. Once you accept that "as many cases as possible this summer to build immunity, with as much emergency healthcare as we can procure" has been replaced by "keep the cases down while we work out the next step" then the needs change.
The government changed the specification during the prototyping phase. Strangely, this meant that machine manufactured to the original spec didn't meet the new one. So the people building ventilators are updating their designs....
"the NHS decided this relatively simple model was no longer required because the treatment of Covid-19 patients required more sophisticated devices than it was originally thought were needed."
The spec changed as the experience with treatment changed. Nobody is saying it was wasted effort.
Mercedes at Brixworth producing 1,000 CPAP units a day is a solid outcome.
Chris Whitty thinks deaths not caught up with weekend BH lag yet if i heard right.
Extraordinary that in the midst of a mass death event where a large portion of the economy is shut down there is lack of reporting resources at the weekend / Bank Holiday. These are massively important figures, not some incidental.
The government will almost certainly have better figures. Deaths aren’t included in the public figures until relatives have been notified. But the hospitals will presumably have privately reported to the government the actual numbers well before then.
How long can it take to phone and tell the relative that the person they waved off to hospital is dead?
I'd be hugely underwhelmed if my wife died in hospital and I wasn't told until 3 or 4 days later because it was a weekend.
I can understand there are difficulties in sudden deaths in finding the relatives but not in cases like this where they presumably have had some time before death to locate the relative.
I thought this was “fake news” anyway? Names can’t be released until families are informed but they are included in the aggregate numbers straight away.
(FWIW it look about an hour for the hospital to call my Mum. I assume there are various formalities they need to do on their end first)
Captain Tom on £8.73m - through £9m by the news tonight, through £10m for breakfast?
I think he will get a minimum of £15m now
Less than half a million people have donated. That is PATHETIC Britain. Where are the other 66m of you? Skinflints! Pull your finger out - we want £100m for his 100th birthday, settle for nothing less....
The NHS self diagnosis website data peaked on the day of lockdown, so with a 7 day median time to symptoms, it looks like transmission peaked before lockdown started and thus pre-lockdown common sense self policing was sufficient to get R0 below 1. As such I'm pretty sanguine that we can exit lockdown without causing an immediate 2nd peak unless people act like cretins about it without any self restraint.
The new boys (F1 consortium, Dyson perhaps, Musk in the states) seem to be producing CPAPs but who have we orderede the heavy duty *real* ventilators from ?
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/trump-threatens-defund-world-health-organization/610030/ ... to weigh these reasons, good and bad—the WHO’s sins against its virtues—is to go back to playing the sucker’s game, and to have an excellent view of Abdul-Jabbar’s armpit as the basketball hurtles overhead toward the hoop. Cutting off money to the WHO is not about policy. It is misdirection: Look here, not there, because you are calling attention to something you are not welcome to see.
The crisis in the United States has passed the point where literally everyone in the country feels personally affected—grieving for the dead or dying; in fear of poverty or hunger; robbed of beloved cultural figures; or just stuck at home. The question Are you better off than you were four years ago? is a sick joke, and Trump knows that it is going to be at his expense, electorally speaking. Naturally, he responds with the tactic that has served him well before: Swap a question with an answer that damns him for one with a complicated, controversial answer that tends to damn someone, anyone, else. Watch CBS’s Paula Reid at Monday’s press conference, asking the first question: “What did you do with the month of February?” Why don’t we have extensive testing capabilities, and why are hospitals still scrambling for the gear and equipment they need to protect health-care workers and save patients?
Trump, caught having completely bungled the only issue anyone will remember him for, will do anything to escape prosecutorial inquiries like these. He will be pleased, instead, to field complaints about his treatment of the WHO. The tactic he is using is one that has fooled too many people, too many times....
I think nothing gets lifted until after. Announcements on business and commerce yes before but no actual activation until after May Day.
Yes so on Monday May 11th small shops re-open, perhaps some construction and some schools with the next phase after the Bank Holiday later in the month with Monday June 1st the next big relaxation.
Social distancing to remain "official" but increasingly more honoured in the breach than the observance and the restrictions remaining for the vulnerable for perhaps another month - just some back-of-an-envelope thoughts.
I think schools are likely to open on or about 4th May.
That would be a four day week - perhaps and it's interesting to see Denmark and Germany have opened infant schools first so maybe some nurseries but I still think a big national celebration/sigh of relief/thanksgiving (delete as appropriate) on May 8th and then a sense of a slight return to normality as of the 11th.
I see Dyson ventilators have so far failed to pass safety tests
What a surprise
Dysons suck?
A disgusting attempt at a PR stunt that diverted attention away from more serious efforts. The government might have better used valuable time in discussions with our very large pharma biotech and diagnostic sector to work out ways of ramping up testing. Instead they chose to give publicity to Brexit supporting showboaters such as Dyson and Bamford of JCB, pretending they can magic up ventilators (of which they have zero experience) rather than speaking to proper ventilator manufacturers and getting them to contract their products under licence to serious medical device manufacturers.
If they hadn't bothered, you would be here 24/7 screaming "WHY DIDN'T THEY AT LEAST TRY???"
No I was shouting at the time why start from scratch when current manufacturers were twiddling their thumbs saying they could scale up
Another waste of time and resource.
Nice publicity at the time but ultimately another compete and absolute failure that you didnt need to be very clever to forecast.
Oh ? I just took it as read that we'd use existing manufacturers AND then the Dyson stuff on top.
who didn't?
likewise that BBC chart
You mean the one i posted at 7.08pm?
And this is one of many traditional manufacturers suggesting he could ramp up production if asked from weeks ago. 5 LIVE have had several on but you can trawl back as i am too busy making up fake bbc news charts
And who's issue is this, the government, who were told they needed tens of thousands of the things at the outset or the civil servants who actually execute it?
Its going to get buried but I have had now three situations pointed out to me over here about how civil service procurement, local govt workers who are important in community effort and operational management have been seriously poor in their flexibility or taking the piss who are because they couldn't get the finger out. I suspect other parts of the UK are no different in having these paragons of inability.
We are dealing with an unknown, less than couple of months of data and understanding and we, like many countries didn't have a great picture of where this was going to go. We still do not. Government has thrown the kitchen sink at some key areas in the hope of as much mud sticking as possible, which is exactly how shit works sometimes. As I understand it wasn't, for example, govt ministers who at first wanted testing restricted to certain Public Health labs for example, it was the civil servants.
The politicians are not all at fault here, they direct they do not execute. The civil service will have as much to account for as the politicians and the political advisors. So will parts of the NHS who will have lessons to learn.
No one needs persecuting for making errors here first time around. Incompetence or sheer inability to think outside the box on the other hand deserves a kick in the arse.
If they hadn't bothered, you would be here 24/7 screaming "WHY DIDN'T THEY AT LEAST TRY???"
No I was shouting at the time why start from scratch when current manufacturers were twiddling their thumbs saying they could scale up
Another waste of time and resource.
Nice publicity at the time but ultimately another compete and absolute failure that you didnt need to be very clever to forecast.
Oh ? I just took it as read that we'd use existing manufacturers AND then the Dyson stuff on top.
who didn't?
likewise that BBC chart
You mean the one i posted at 7.08pm?
And this is one of many traditional manufacturers suggesting he could ramp up production if asked from weeks ago. 5 LIVE have had several on but you can trawl back as i am too busy making up fake bbc news charts
I see Dyson ventilators have so far failed to pass safety tests
What a surprise
Dysons suck?
A disgusting attempt at a PR stunt that diverted attention away from more serious efforts. The government might have better used valuable time in discussions with our very large pharma biotech and diagnostic sector to work out ways of ramping up testing. Instead they chose to give publicity to Brexit supporting showboaters such as Dyson and Bamford of JCB, pretending they can magic up ventilators (of which they have zero experience) rather than speaking to proper ventilator manufacturers and getting them to contract their products under licence to serious medical device manufacturers.
Exactly
Suggest you two crack open a bottle and celebrate.
Apparently Mercedes have already made 10,000 CPAP devices. They are making this things like they are doing a pitstop.
In early testing, on around 40 patients, who would otherwise have gone on a ventilator, found half were able to go home within 14 days of admission to hospital.
There is evidence from places like NY that putting people on traditional ventilators should be avoided at all costs, as some suggestion that actually worsens their situation (although obviously if they are even considering that you are in a really really bad way).
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https://www.ft.com/content/e447cab3-8b6b-47ed-bf69-3a43140a42de
Either this is due to Italian cases being hyperlocalised (Lombardy beyonf breaking point but the south being almost unctouched?) or the Italian data is a muc hbigger understatement of the real situation than our data.
I just tried watching the telly. Richard Osman will I suspect give the opec leaders sleepless nights - oiliness doesn't come close.
Dyson will get it right.
Big families living cheek by jowl, heading into big supermarkets is what it needs to thrive.
I'm of the view as cases fall and capacity becomes available the urgent non-Covid patients need to have some priority with the rescheduling of cancelled procedures vital and if we have some spare capactity why not keep it running to clear the backlog and help those who have had to suffer because NHS resources have been required elsewhere.
Another waste of time and resource.
Nice publicity at the time but ultimately another compete and absolute failure that you didnt need to be very clever to forecast.
My earlier post mentioning that the govt is likely to look at relaxing things post the May day bank holiday or holding out until the end of May holiday has probably been borne out by the local administration in Northern Ireland holding the current restrictions until the 9th May. I suspect this has already been agreed elsewhere but the bods in Belfast jumped the gun. NI is not considered far behind London in its cycle, a few days at most and the Health Minister here has suggested that the 1st wave projections aren't half as ugly as first thought.
Bank holidays loom large in thinking. I'm wondering if mentally the politicians and the civil servants fear that if they make moves to relax things before a bank holiday that everyone on their extra day off will just run out and go apeshit and stand next to each other or something.
The real challenge might be July/August, likely to have many restrictions lifted, holiday season and potentially a gentle run in to things picking up autumn, but there are still a lot of holidays booked.
I think Harold Wilson?
Or weve got just as many as JCB and F1 combined past the rigorous NHS tests
https://youtu.be/glnm2J7qsEg
A little overblown perhaps but I could see the Govenrment trying to roll the two events into one symbolically - perhaps the Thursday night clapping will be Friday lunchtime clapping that week.
The weekend and restrictions eased from Monday morning.
Social distancing to remain "official" but increasingly more honoured in the breach than the observance and the restrictions remaining for the vulnerable for perhaps another month - just some back-of-an-envelope thoughts.
https://twitter.com/StaveleyMWFCSo1/status/1250485208081674245/photo/1
Nothing to do with Covid-19, they couldn't decide which to put on first, The Jam or Cream.
Still a bit raw for me after, we had to can the Dart Music Festival in May....
likewise that BBC chart
One of your better efforts.
We must meet up again post lockdown
Those suggestions for easing the lockdown look like a good guess. As good as anyone else's..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/52274270 actually gives a better update on what is going on in the area.
And this is one of many traditional manufacturers suggesting he could ramp up production if asked from weeks ago. 5 LIVE have had several on but you can trawl back as i am too busy making up fake bbc news charts
https://inews.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-ventilators-parts-manufacturer-dyson-airbus-boris-johnson-2518900
As we saw in the last thread (the not-like HAPE thing) - interesting stuff is coming out about the effects of COVID19 all the time.
The spec changed as the experience with treatment changed. Nobody is saying it was wasted effort.
Mercedes at Brixworth producing 1,000 CPAP units a day is a solid outcome.
(FWIW it look about an hour for the hospital to call my Mum. I assume there are various formalities they need to do on their end first)
Maquet, Draeger, Smiths, Hamilton and GE certainly aren’t but I don’t have visibility on the others
By 9am on the 13th they had done 367,667 tests.
https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1249345659355922432
https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1249693469733421056
or a difference of 14k cases. I guess they all could have been done between midnight and 9am on the 13th but that seems unlikely.
Or the BBC has screwed it up.
https://electrek.co/2020/04/15/porsche-rd-boss-speaks-about-tesla-batteries-macan-ev-and-why-hydrogen-fails/
Either DHSC or BBC have surely made an error in the bar chart
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/trump-threatens-defund-world-health-organization/610030/
... to weigh these reasons, good and bad—the WHO’s sins against its virtues—is to go back to playing the sucker’s game, and to have an excellent view of Abdul-Jabbar’s armpit as the basketball hurtles overhead toward the hoop. Cutting off money to the WHO is not about policy. It is misdirection: Look here, not there, because you are calling attention to something you are not welcome to see.
The crisis in the United States has passed the point where literally everyone in the country feels personally affected—grieving for the dead or dying; in fear of poverty or hunger; robbed of beloved cultural figures; or just stuck at home. The question Are you better off than you were four years ago? is a sick joke, and Trump knows that it is going to be at his expense, electorally speaking. Naturally, he responds with the tactic that has served him well before: Swap a question with an answer that damns him for one with a complicated, controversial answer that tends to damn someone, anyone, else. Watch CBS’s Paula Reid at Monday’s press conference, asking the first question: “What did you do with the month of February?” Why don’t we have extensive testing capabilities, and why are hospitals still scrambling for the gear and equipment they need to protect health-care workers and save patients?
Trump, caught having completely bungled the only issue anyone will remember him for, will do anything to escape prosecutorial inquiries like these. He will be pleased, instead, to field complaints about his treatment of the WHO. The tactic he is using is one that has fooled too many people, too many times....
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-ventilator-covid-19/
Could be people rather than tests i suppose but chart says tests
Its going to get buried but I have had now three situations pointed out to me over here about how civil service procurement, local govt workers who are important in community effort and operational management have been seriously poor in their flexibility or taking the piss who are because they couldn't get the finger out. I suspect other parts of the UK are no different in having these paragons of inability.
We are dealing with an unknown, less than couple of months of data and understanding and we, like many countries didn't have a great picture of where this was going to go. We still do not. Government has thrown the kitchen sink at some key areas in the hope of as much mud sticking as possible, which is exactly how shit works sometimes. As I understand it wasn't, for example, govt ministers who at first wanted testing restricted to certain Public Health labs for example, it was the civil servants.
The politicians are not all at fault here, they direct they do not execute. The civil service will have as much to account for as the politicians and the political advisors. So will parts of the NHS who will have lessons to learn.
No one needs persecuting for making errors here first time around. Incompetence or sheer inability to think outside the box on the other hand deserves a kick in the arse.
a) he’s been involved in the Nightingale build out
b) he’s a parts manufacturer and has to wait until the devices were sorted out so they knew what parts they needed to build
You seem to be suggesting that the government should have ordered parts on spec?
He should be applauded IMO
Just not quite as loudly as Tom
In early testing, on around 40 patients, who would otherwise have gone on a ventilator, found half were able to go home within 14 days of admission to hospital.
There is evidence from places like NY that putting people on traditional ventilators should be avoided at all costs, as some suggestion that actually worsens their situation (although obviously if they are even considering that you are in a really really bad way).