OK fellers, if there is anyone who can help I'd be grateful.
I've got a lenovo desktop computer, about three years old (2017) which isn't top of the range but has always worked perfectly well. Today, instead of starting up, it sits there with its LED on, and its fan spinning, and nothing getting through to either monitor.
It's not the cables, it's not the monitors, it's not anything I've plugged in and I haven't done any software updates recently (Microsoft may of course have attempted one without asking me, which is not unusual for them). So I think it might be a hardware problem, which would be bloody annoying as it would be a nightmare to get it fixed right now.
However, I wondered if anyone had come across something similar and might know of a fix?
If worst comes to worst, I can manage without it, but it makes life more difficult.
most likely is HDD issue have you tried all the remove battery leave for a bit etc. If not SSD , do you hear drive spinning trying etc. It should load BIOS and go to HDD for OS.
A desktop, Malcolm, not a laptop!
The drive is engaging at start up, but doesn't seem to be kicking on.
I was rather afraid it was an HDD problem.
Have you tried a boot in safe mode? Which OS?
Yep. Still won't boot.
Never come across anything quite like this, which is why I'm bewildered.
72 bed home so that's 18% of entire population, with undisclosed number of further unresolved cases. Sobering.
Over 50% of hospital deaths from Covid-19 are aged over 80, and the unreported deaths from care homes are estimated to be 50% of the total, so likely 2/3rds of all Covid deaths are 80+, and 6% under 40
People over 80 don't matter - in fact, think of the money we're going save because they've died.
Some Age UK stats:
Older people in care homes • 400,000 older people • Average age 85 years • 66% Cognitive impairment • 40% depression • 75% classified “severely disabled”
That depression stat is frightening (they all are). Personal decision but if that was me I'd wanna be euthanased. Not that that should dictate our policy in this instance.
Truth be told, most people over 50 would probably be better off dead.
And yes, you're right that ideally it would be a personal decision. But in the present situation we're getting to the point where younger people are being inconvenienced.
What a dreadful thing to think let alone say
Blimey, that's a relief! When I said 80 it was met with a chorus of approval. I wondered how low I'd have to go before anyone disagreed ...
I assumed, at both levels, that you were just a bit of a d1ck who was bored and trolling. So I ignored you. Suspect that applies to most.
For "trolling", surely read "accurately representing the sentiments of those who want the lockdown lifted to ease the effect on their bank balances"?
Nah, trolling‘s a better fit
Let`s not be rude to each other - Chris is usually a great poster.
Well I posted the %s for age of covid deaths, and he insinuated that meant I thought old people should be left to die! That’s pretty rude, as well as inaccurate.
The government is doing its best to polish a turd but the current figures are pretty dreadful. Testing is still woefully inadequate and so positive test numbers tell us little. Deaths in hospital from Covid-19 are poor and expected to get worse, and the government has no real handle on deaths from Covid-19 outside hospital. The government refuses to acknowledge even that the figures are poor.
Most depressingly, there’s not a single opposition politician pointing any of this out. The Labour Party are far more concerned with internecine score-settling.
OK fellers, if there is anyone who can help I'd be grateful.
I've got a lenovo desktop computer, about three years old (2017) which isn't top of the range but has always worked perfectly well. Today, instead of starting up, it sits there with its LED on, and its fan spinning, and nothing getting through to either monitor.
It's not the cables, it's not the monitors, it's not anything I've plugged in and I haven't done any software updates recently (Microsoft may of course have attempted one without asking me, which is not unusual for them). So I think it might be a hardware problem, which would be bloody annoying as it would be a nightmare to get it fixed right now.
However, I wondered if anyone had come across something similar and might know of a fix?
If worst comes to worst, I can manage without it, but it makes life more difficult.
There was something about a dodgy Windows 10 patch recently but then there always is. To rule out Windows, you could try booting off a flash drive or dvd, assuming you have either lying about with a bootable OS on, which I doubt.
Does it POST (power on self test) when you power it on? In other words, do you see any output (from the bios) before it gets to Windows?
From what you say, I'd be inclined to suspect RAM and if you know what you are doing you could try removing all bar one DIMM (assuming you have more than one to start with). I'm assuming you've not got a secondary graphics card.
OK fellers, if there is anyone who can help I'd be grateful.
I've got a lenovo desktop computer, about three years old (2017) which isn't top of the range but has always worked perfectly well. Today, instead of starting up, it sits there with its LED on, and its fan spinning, and nothing getting through to either monitor.
It's not the cables, it's not the monitors, it's not anything I've plugged in and I haven't done any software updates recently (Microsoft may of course have attempted one without asking me, which is not unusual for them). So I think it might be a hardware problem, which would be bloody annoying as it would be a nightmare to get it fixed right now.
However, I wondered if anyone had come across something similar and might know of a fix?
If worst comes to worst, I can manage without it, but it makes life more difficult.
There was something about a dodgy Windows 10 patch recently but then there always is. To rule out Windows, you could try booting off a flash drive or dvd, assuming you have either lying about with a bootable OS on, which I doubt.
Does it POST (power on self test) when you power it on? In other words, do you see any output (from the bios) before it gets to Windows?
From what you say, I'd be inclined to suspect RAM and if you know what you are doing you could try removing all bar one DIMM (assuming you have more than one to start with). I'm assuming you've not got a secondary graphics card.
HAven't got a flash drive and even the DVD drive won't open.
What the hell is a DIMM? (Which probably suggests I don't know what I'm doing anyway.)
No, I haven't got a secondary graphics card. Never needed it.
Nothing gets through to the monitors at all. The fan works, and the LED on light, but nothing else.
Patrick Vallance continues to await definitive evidence that preventing Covid patients coughing on people will reduce infections ...
It did rather sound as if he was preparing the ground for a U-Turn.
One can't help wondering about possible comebacks in the future over all that advice for the public not to wear masks, even if they were misled with good intentions.
Midlands deaths higher than London in the latest set. And North West up there as well.
It seems to be kicking off more up here in Yorkshire now, as well. It appears that the focus may well be moving north of Birmingham for the next stage. Still not up to the level of London’s problem though.
One would expect the number of cases as a proportion of total population to end up varying by region, with the most urbanized areas suffering the worst. We have all been asked to practice social distancing for a reason, after all. This is why, for example, it's no surprise that the East of England, which has no large cities, is suffering less badly than Scotland, which has approximately the same population but where most of the people inhabit the central belt.
however Scotland count all deaths , care homes etc, as far as I am aware England do not , they only count hospital and then only if tested so not a great comparison. Deaths in Scotland are significantly below England even counting those factors, why is that.
Then there is a weekly update which covers all deaths based on death certificates. This will cover any death that mentions Covid-19 on the death certificate, wherever they died, hospital, care home or at home. As it takes time for death certificates to filter through there is a lag,
The same way as England & Wales.
Can we therefore say that at some point of the week the numbers will be accurate for all countries in the UK and all will have been collated using the same methodology etc. If so do we know what day that is.
ONS and Ntional Records in Scotland will probably have the accurate numbers about 2 weeks behind, for any given date.
There will be additional changes after that - post mortum completed tests and inquests may add/subtract.
thanks, so I need to look at ONS plus Scottish data
Plus NI, I think.
ONS is talking to the devolved administrations about providing a uniform UK dataset.
This will require deep diving the record gathering process to ensure that the datasets are really equal. There is, I understand, a great deal of mutual respect and cooperation between them, but this process will probably take time.
Midlands deaths higher than London in the latest set. And North West up there as well.
It seems to be kicking off more up here in Yorkshire now, as well. It appears that the focus may well be moving north of Birmingham for the next stage. Still not up to the level of London’s problem though.
One would expect the number of cases as a proportion of total population to end up varying by region, with the most urbanized areas suffering the worst. We have all been asked to practice social distancing for a reason, after all. This is why, for example, it's no surprise that the East of England, which has no large cities, is suffering less badly than Scotland, which has approximately the same population but where most of the people inhabit the central belt.
however Scotland count all deaths , care homes etc, as far as I am aware England do not , they only count hospital and then only if tested so not a great comparison. Deaths in Scotland are significantly below England even counting those factors, why is that.
Then there is a weekly update which covers all deaths based on death certificates. This will cover any death that mentions Covid-19 on the death certificate, wherever they died, hospital, care home or at home. As it takes time for death certificates to filter through there is a lag,
The same way as England & Wales.
Can we therefore say that at some point of the week the numbers will be accurate for all countries in the UK and all will have been collated using the same methodology etc. If so do we know what day that is.
Usually Wednesday - may be affected by the bank holiday weekend. Check ONS.
Clearly dividing by Referendum vote, the division is no longer between support for Socialism and Capitalism as it was under Corbyn but between support for Leave and Remain under Starmer, hence both 2019 Tory and LD voting Remainers give Starmer higher approval ratings than 2019 Labour Leave voters and 2019 Tory Leave voters give Starmer the lowest approval ratings of all.
OK fellers, if there is anyone who can help I'd be grateful.
I've got a lenovo desktop computer, about three years old (2017) which isn't top of the range but has always worked perfectly well. Today, instead of starting up, it sits there with its LED on, and its fan spinning, and nothing getting through to either monitor.
It's not the cables, it's not the monitors, it's not anything I've plugged in and I haven't done any software updates recently (Microsoft may of course have attempted one without asking me, which is not unusual for them). So I think it might be a hardware problem, which would be bloody annoying as it would be a nightmare to get it fixed right now.
However, I wondered if anyone had come across something similar and might know of a fix?
If worst comes to worst, I can manage without it, but it makes life more difficult.
most likely is HDD issue have you tried all the remove battery leave for a bit etc. If not SSD , do you hear drive spinning trying etc. It should load BIOS and go to HDD for OS.
A desktop, Malcolm, not a laptop!
The drive is engaging at start up, but doesn't seem to be kicking on.
I was rather afraid it was an HDD problem.
Does it beep when you try to start it? If so, count the beeps. Then do some googling.
OK fellers, if there is anyone who can help I'd be grateful.
I've got a lenovo desktop computer, about three years old (2017) which isn't top of the range but has always worked perfectly well. Today, instead of starting up, it sits there with its LED on, and its fan spinning, and nothing getting through to either monitor.
It's not the cables, it's not the monitors, it's not anything I've plugged in and I haven't done any software updates recently (Microsoft may of course have attempted one without asking me, which is not unusual for them). So I think it might be a hardware problem, which would be bloody annoying as it would be a nightmare to get it fixed right now.
However, I wondered if anyone had come across something similar and might know of a fix?
If worst comes to worst, I can manage without it, but it makes life more difficult.
most likely is HDD issue have you tried all the remove battery leave for a bit etc. If not SSD , do you hear drive spinning trying etc. It should load BIOS and go to HDD for OS.
A desktop, Malcolm, not a laptop!
The drive is engaging at start up, but doesn't seem to be kicking on.
I was rather afraid it was an HDD problem.
Does it beep when you try to start it? If so, count the beeps. Then do some googling.
President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia offered his bleakest comments yet on his country’s handling of the pandemic, warning officials on Monday that the number of severely ill patients was rising and that medical workers faced shortages of protective equipment.
“We have a lot of problems, and we don’t have much to brag about, nor reason to, and we certainly can’t relax,” Mr. Putin told senior officials in a televised videoconference that he conducted from his residence outside Moscow. “We are not past the peak of the epidemic, not even in Moscow.”
Russia’s total number of confirmed cases reached 18,328, double the level of five days earlier, with roughly two-thirds of them in Moscow. The number of deaths stood at 148 nationwide.
Ashcroft has has published some focus group stuff on US 2020 FWIW.
The stat that hit me was that 7 out of ten Bernie supporters intend to turn out for Biden.
Which shows a combination of how crap Biden is as a Democratic candidate and how off the rails some Bernie supporters are.
At this point, given choice between the embalmed corpse of Lenin and Trump, I think that Lenin is preferable.
Are the Greens running this time? Stern gave a place for Sanders supports to run to last time.
They'll run, but for whatever reason the third parties (also Libertarians) aren't much of a factor this time (perhaps because their candidates were more notable in 2016). An underrated issue for Trump, I suspect. Overall I still think it's close but leaning Dem.
Libertarians being less of a factor is good for Trump, they clearly leached GOP support from nevertrumpers
I`ve being going in big against Trump/Republicans for a while. Topped up yet again today.
At current odds I prefer laying Trump for Next President at 1.99 (1.97 this morning) rather than laying Republicans to win GE at 1.95. My reasoning is that I still hold a hunch that Trump may not run.
I agree re Trump. There is a small (but meaningful) chance he will not be the nominee.
OK fellers, if there is anyone who can help I'd be grateful.
I've got a lenovo desktop computer, about three years old (2017) which isn't top of the range but has always worked perfectly well. Today, instead of starting up, it sits there with its LED on, and its fan spinning, and nothing getting through to either monitor.
It's not the cables, it's not the monitors, it's not anything I've plugged in and I haven't done any software updates recently (Microsoft may of course have attempted one without asking me, which is not unusual for them). So I think it might be a hardware problem, which would be bloody annoying as it would be a nightmare to get it fixed right now.
However, I wondered if anyone had come across something similar and might know of a fix?
If worst comes to worst, I can manage without it, but it makes life more difficult.
There was something about a dodgy Windows 10 patch recently but then there always is. To rule out Windows, you could try booting off a flash drive or dvd, assuming you have either lying about with a bootable OS on, which I doubt.
Does it POST (power on self test) when you power it on? In other words, do you see any output (from the bios) before it gets to Windows?
From what you say, I'd be inclined to suspect RAM and if you know what you are doing you could try removing all bar one DIMM (assuming you have more than one to start with). I'm assuming you've not got a secondary graphics card.
HAven't got a flash drive and even the DVD drive won't open.
What the hell is a DIMM? (Which probably suggests I don't know what I'm doing anyway.)
No, I haven't got a secondary graphics card. Never needed it.
Nothing gets through to the monitors at all. The fan works, and the LED on light, but nothing else.
DIMM in this context means RAM memory - which in ia desktop is one or more slot in cards.
In this spectacularly complacent press conference. Even business Insider has no interest in the enormous impact the government's measures will have on.....er.....business.
You can tell from this press conference that the doctors are firmly in control of policy.
So imagine the worst hit the economy could take from this, your absolute worst nightmare, and assume its going to be worse than that.
For two million job losses read four million, in other words.
I think Boris Johnson will start taking charge again in a couple of weeks' time, and he's likely to take the economy into account a lot more than is presently the case.
There's no chance of the economy making any sort of proper return till the health crisis is under far more control than at present.
It was prioritising keeping international flights going as normal for as long as possible that is the main reason for us getting into the mess we're currently in.
Midlands deaths higher than London in the latest set. And North West up there as well.
It seems to be kicking off more up here in Yorkshire now, as well. It appears that the focus may well be moving north of Birmingham for the next stage. Still not up to the level of London’s problem though.
One would expect the number of cases as a proportion of total population to end up varying by region, with the most urbanized areas suffering the worst. We have all been asked to practice social distancing for a reason, after all. This is why, for example, it's no surprise that the East of England, which has no large cities, is suffering less badly than Scotland, which has approximately the same population but where most of the people inhabit the central belt.
however Scotland count all deaths , care homes etc, as far as I am aware England do not , they only count hospital and then only if tested so not a great comparison. Deaths in Scotland are significantly below England even counting those factors, why is that.
Then there is a weekly update which covers all deaths based on death certificates. This will cover any death that mentions Covid-19 on the death certificate, wherever they died, hospital, care home or at home. As it takes time for death certificates to filter through there is a lag,
The same way as England & Wales.
Can we therefore say that at some point of the week the numbers will be accurate for all countries in the UK and all will have been collated using the same methodology etc. If so do we know what day that is.
ONS and Ntional Records in Scotland will probably have the accurate numbers about 2 weeks behind, for any given date.
There will be additional changes after that - post mortum completed tests and inquests may add/subtract.
thanks, so I need to look at ONS plus Scottish data
Plus NI, I think.
ONS is talking to the devolved administrations about providing a uniform UK dataset.
This will require deep diving the record gathering process to ensure that the datasets are really equal. There is, I understand, a great deal of mutual respect and cooperation between them, but this process will probably take time.
The government is doing its best to polish a turd but the current figures are pretty dreadful. Testing is still woefully inadequate and so positive test numbers tell us little. Deaths in hospital from Covid-19 are poor and expected to get worse, and the government has no real handle on deaths from Covid-19 outside hospital. The government refuses to acknowledge even that the figures are poor.
Most depressingly, there’s not a single opposition politician pointing any of this out. The Labour Party are far more concerned with internecine score-settling.
YOU are talking about numbers that are totally unreliable. Deaths from or with Coronavirus for example, are reportedly being lumped in together.
New infections and hospital admissions and rate of increase in spare capacity are more important, surely.
I trust people are aware that in Italy, France, Belgium, Spain and I suspect others there have been serious outbreaks and deaths in care homes. It is of course tragic and sad but I'm pretty sure most countries have treated their elderly in much the same way - no doubt with errors - but not I think with malice. Remember it is the nature of the beast we are dealing with that the elderly and infirm are those most at risk.
The government is doing its best to polish a turd but the current figures are pretty dreadful. Testing is still woefully inadequate and so positive test numbers tell us little. Deaths in hospital from Covid-19 are poor and expected to get worse, and the government has no real handle on deaths from Covid-19 outside hospital. The government refuses to acknowledge even that the figures are poor.
Most depressingly, there’s not a single opposition politician pointing any of this out. The Labour Party are far more concerned with internecine score-settling.
YOU are talking about numbers that are totally unreliable. Deaths from or with Coronavirus for example, are reportedly being lumped in together.
New infections and hospital admissions and rate of increase in spare capacity are more important, surely.
In this spectacularly complacent press conference. Even business Insider has no interest in the enormous impact the government's measures will have on.....er.....business.
You can tell from this press conference that the doctors are firmly in control of policy.
So imagine the worst hit the economy could take from this, your absolute worst nightmare, and assume its going to be worse than that.
For two million job losses read four million, in other words.
I think Boris Johnson will start taking charge again in a couple of weeks' time, and he's likely to take the economy into account a lot more than is presently the case.
There's no chance of the economy making any sort of proper return till the health crisis is under far more control than at present.
I don't think you appreciate the depths of these people's concern for their bank balances.
OK fellers, if there is anyone who can help I'd be grateful.
I've got a lenovo desktop computer, about three years old (2017) which isn't top of the range but has always worked perfectly well. Today, instead of starting up, it sits there with its LED on, and its fan spinning, and nothing getting through to either monitor.
It's not the cables, it's not the monitors, it's not anything I've plugged in and I haven't done any software updates recently (Microsoft may of course have attempted one without asking me, which is not unusual for them). So I think it might be a hardware problem, which would be bloody annoying as it would be a nightmare to get it fixed right now.
However, I wondered if anyone had come across something similar and might know of a fix?
If worst comes to worst, I can manage without it, but it makes life more difficult.
There was something about a dodgy Windows 10 patch recently but then there always is. To rule out Windows, you could try booting off a flash drive or dvd, assuming you have either lying about with a bootable OS on, which I doubt.
Does it POST (power on self test) when you power it on? In other words, do you see any output (from the bios) before it gets to Windows?
From what you say, I'd be inclined to suspect RAM and if you know what you are doing you could try removing all bar one DIMM (assuming you have more than one to start with). I'm assuming you've not got a secondary graphics card.
HAven't got a flash drive and even the DVD drive won't open.
What the hell is a DIMM? (Which probably suggests I don't know what I'm doing anyway.)
No, I haven't got a secondary graphics card. Never needed it.
Nothing gets through to the monitors at all. The fan works, and the LED on light, but nothing else.
A dimm is a memory (RAM) stick. You probably have two or four of them. My suspicion is that one of them has failed.
Get on Youtube and look for the channel of a chap called Carey Holzman. He is a rather long-winded American IT guy who posts videos on the theme, customer X has sent this dead PC and here is an hour or two of troubleshooting and fixing. Watch a couple and work out if you can do what he suggests or if you need to call in the professionals. I expect there are self-employed IT techs in your part of Wales, or if this is a second system you could wait till lockdown ends.
The government is doing its best to polish a turd but the current figures are pretty dreadful. Testing is still woefully inadequate and so positive test numbers tell us little. Deaths in hospital from Covid-19 are poor and expected to get worse, and the government has no real handle on deaths from Covid-19 outside hospital. The government refuses to acknowledge even that the figures are poor.
Most depressingly, there’s not a single opposition politician pointing any of this out. The Labour Party are far more concerned with internecine score-settling.
YOU are talking about numbers that are totally unreliable. Deaths from or with Coronavirus for example, are reportedly being lumped in together.
New infections and hospital admissions and rate of increase in spare capacity are more important, surely.
No. The most important detail is total mortality at present.
The from/with debate is utterly sterile. Causation is often complex. It’s clear that Covid-19 can be highly harmful to health. Examining what exactly killed many people is as futile as working out who exactly was the killer on the Orient Express.
I trust people are aware that in Italy, France, Belgium, Spain and I suspect others there have been serious outbreaks and deaths in care homes. It is of course tragic and sad but I'm pretty sure most countries have treated their elderly in much the same way - no doubt with errors - but not I think with malice. Remember it is the nature of the beast we are dealing with that the elderly and infirm are those most at risk.
Indeed. But our government was unique - among the ones not run by complete loonies - in the delusion that it would be possible to let the virus run through about two thirds of the population while "cocooning" the vulnerable.
One might have expected even politicians as dim as Johnson and Hancock to question how that would be done for care homes.
I saw earlier someone saying that the Spanish lockdown had been relaxed today. It has, but it remains significantly more severe than what is operating in the UK. So please don't get carried away!
I wonder if it will bear any resemblance to this. From a mate who lives in Spain
That has already been called out as fake news - it appeared on Facebook earlier today and caused a lot of angst and a fair bit of amusement.
You can tell from this press conference that the doctors are firmly in control of policy.
So imagine the worst hit the economy could take from this, your absolute worst nightmare, and assume its going to be worse than that.
For two million job losses read four million, in other words.
Oh, it's going to be a grade A catastrophe, through a combination of public fear, changing habits, ongoing social distancing measures and a long and grinding lockdown.
Once discretionary retail gets up and running, a lot of customers won't come back because they'll move online or only go out to buy clothes, in particular, if they're essential and not the sort of basics they can pick up whilst at the supermarket. The shops will also, presumably, be made to put staff on the doors to arrange orderly queues or shoo customers away once they're full (which, for smaller units, may mean only having two people in there at any one time.)
Services like hairdressers will also come back, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were made to trade by appointment only and half the chairs were left empty to at least keep the customers 2m apart from each other. The staff will probably be told to wear masks.
God alone knows when the leisure and hospitality industries will be allowed to resume trading. Worst case scenario is that nobody gets to reopen until we have herd immunity or a vaccine, because social distancing, and the whole lot goes to the wall. That'll cause a depression on its own.
Fact is, I don't think it'll get quite that far because the imperative to avert mass unemployment and socio-economic collapse will eventually force the Government to let the virus out of jail. In fact, I've suspected for some time that this is what the Nightingale hospitals are primarily for - not so much dealing with the immediate crisis but warehousing the victims of the second wave. But I certainly wouldn't want to be employed by (or recently laid off from) a business like a cafe or a gym right now.
In this spectacularly complacent press conference. Even business Insider has no interest in the enormous impact the government's measures will have on.....er.....business.
You can tell from this press conference that the doctors are firmly in control of policy.
So imagine the worst hit the economy could take from this, your absolute worst nightmare, and assume its going to be worse than that.
For two million job losses read four million, in other words.
I think Boris Johnson will start taking charge again in a couple of weeks' time, and he's likely to take the economy into account a lot more than is presently the case.
There's no chance of the economy making any sort of proper return till the health crisis is under far more control than at present.
It was prioritising keeping international flights going as normal for as long as possible that is the main reason for us getting into the mess we're currently in.
If that is the case then the economic tsunami that will follow will kill far more than Coronavirus ever could.
The complacency in that press conference and on here is breathtaking. Some people think Britain somehow has a divine right to be a first rank economy, whatever we do to the people who power that economy.
Don’t get either Neil’s or Hodges’ responses. The reports of what is in the report do not suggest a culture that will be productive to Labour actually winning a general election.
Did you miss the bit about "in a national crisis"?
OK fellers, if there is anyone who can help I'd be grateful.
I've got a lenovo desktop computer, about three years old (2017) which isn't top of the range but has always worked perfectly well. Today, instead of starting up, it sits there with its LED on, and its fan spinning, and nothing getting through to either monitor.
It's not the cables, it's not the monitors, it's not anything I've plugged in and I haven't done any software updates recently (Microsoft may of course have attempted one without asking me, which is not unusual for them). So I think it might be a hardware problem, which would be bloody annoying as it would be a nightmare to get it fixed right now.
However, I wondered if anyone had come across something similar and might know of a fix?
If worst comes to worst, I can manage without it, but it makes life more difficult.
There was something about a dodgy Windows 10 patch recently but then there always is. To rule out Windows, you could try booting off a flash drive or dvd, assuming you have either lying about with a bootable OS on, which I doubt.
Does it POST (power on self test) when you power it on? In other words, do you see any output (from the bios) before it gets to Windows?
From what you say, I'd be inclined to suspect RAM and if you know what you are doing you could try removing all bar one DIMM (assuming you have more than one to start with). I'm assuming you've not got a secondary graphics card.
HAven't got a flash drive and even the DVD drive won't open.
What the hell is a DIMM? (Which probably suggests I don't know what I'm doing anyway.)
No, I haven't got a secondary graphics card. Never needed it.
Nothing gets through to the monitors at all. The fan works, and the LED on light, but nothing else.
A dimm is a memory (RAM) stick. You probably have two or four of them. My suspicion is that one of them has failed.
Get on Youtube and look for the channel of a chap called Carey Holzman. He is a rather long-winded American IT guy who posts videos on the theme, customer X has sent this dead PC and here is an hour or two of troubleshooting and fixing. Watch a couple and work out if you can do what he suggests or if you need to call in the professionals. I expect there are self-employed IT techs in your part of Wales, or if this is a second system you could wait till lockdown ends.
Holzman is slow and clear, unlike many of the youtube pc builders who assume a lot of prior experience.
@ydoethur Looks like you will need to order a new system. Check ebay and the like to see if you can get same model. My wife dropped her laptop last week and burst the screen, I got her a cracking Lenovo T450 laptop for £200, delivered in a day.
If Boris is making a list based on anecdata, I've recently heard mumblings around the need for dentists, chiropodists, children's clothes (the buggers keep growing even if you don't feed them) and opticians.
OK fellers, if there is anyone who can help I'd be grateful.
I've got a lenovo desktop computer, about three years old (2017) which isn't top of the range but has always worked perfectly well. Today, instead of starting up, it sits there with its LED on, and its fan spinning, and nothing getting through to either monitor.
It's not the cables, it's not the monitors, it's not anything I've plugged in and I haven't done any software updates recently (Microsoft may of course have attempted one without asking me, which is not unusual for them). So I think it might be a hardware problem, which would be bloody annoying as it would be a nightmare to get it fixed right now.
However, I wondered if anyone had come across something similar and might know of a fix?
If worst comes to worst, I can manage without it, but it makes life more difficult.
There was something about a dodgy Windows 10 patch recently but then there always is. To rule out Windows, you could try booting off a flash drive or dvd, assuming you have either lying about with a bootable OS on, which I doubt.
Does it POST (power on self test) when you power it on? In other words, do you see any output (from the bios) before it gets to Windows?
From what you say, I'd be inclined to suspect RAM and if you know what you are doing you could try removing all bar one DIMM (assuming you have more than one to start with). I'm assuming you've not got a secondary graphics card.
HAven't got a flash drive and even the DVD drive won't open.
What the hell is a DIMM? (Which probably suggests I don't know what I'm doing anyway.)
No, I haven't got a secondary graphics card. Never needed it.
Nothing gets through to the monitors at all. The fan works, and the LED on light, but nothing else.
A dimm is a memory (RAM) stick. You probably have two or four of them. My suspicion is that one of them has failed.
Get on Youtube and look for the channel of a chap called Carey Holzman. He is a rather long-winded American IT guy who posts videos on the theme, customer X has sent this dead PC and here is an hour or two of troubleshooting and fixing. Watch a couple and work out if you can do what he suggests or if you need to call in the professionals. I expect there are self-employed IT techs in your part of Wales, or if this is a second system you could wait till lockdown ends.
Holzman is slow and clear, unlike many of the youtube pc builders who assume a lot of prior experience.
@ydoethur Looks like you will need to order a new system. Check ebay and the like to see if you can get same model. My wife dropped her laptop last week and burst the screen, I got her a cracking Lenovo T450 laptop for £200, delivered in a day.
You can tell from this press conference that the doctors are firmly in control of policy.
So imagine the worst hit the economy could take from this, your absolute worst nightmare, and assume its going to be worse than that.
For two million job losses read four million, in other words.
Oh, it's going to be a grade A catastrophe, through a combination of public fear, changing habits, ongoing social distancing measures and a long and grinding lockdown.
Once discretionary retail gets up and running, a lot of customers won't come back because they'll move online or only go out to buy clothes, in particular, if they're essential and not the sort of basics they can pick up whilst at the supermarket. The shops will also, presumably, be made to put staff on the doors to arrange orderly queues or shoo customers away once they're full (which, for smaller units, may mean only having two people in there at any one time.)
Services like hairdressers will also come back, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were made to trade by appointment only and half the chairs were left empty to at least keep the customers 2m apart from each other. The staff will probably be told to wear masks.
God alone knows when the leisure and hospitality industries will be allowed to resume trading. Worst case scenario is that nobody gets to reopen until we have herd immunity or a vaccine, because social distancing, and the whole lot goes to the wall. That'll cause a depression on its own.
Fact is, I don't think it'll get quite that far because the imperative to avert mass unemployment and socio-economic collapse will eventually force the Government to let the virus out of jail. In fact, I've suspected for some time that this is what the Nightingale hospitals are primarily for - not so much dealing with the immediate crisis but warehousing the victims of the second wave. But I certainly wouldn't want to be employed by (or recently laid off from) a business like a cafe or a gym right now.
Businesses do fail, often through no fault of their own, when circumstances change. Normally the Right is quite resistant to the state bailing them out. Strangely, some sections of the Right now think not only that businesses should be bailed out, but that hundreds of thousands of lives should be sacrificed to do it. It seems an odd philosophy for conservatives to espouse.
It's time for the government to dump Huawei from 5G.
I'm looking forward to getting my Huawei Mate Xs this week.
There's been rumours at work that the company is about to ban Huawei devices for any work correspondence. Not such a big deal for me as I get a device, but loads of junior level people don't and you need to be contactible pretty much at any time and have access to work emails at any time too. Then again, I haven't seen a lot of people with Huawei devices, mostly iPhones and Samsungs.
Staff are expected to purchase their own device in order to access work emails?
The employer needs to be told to feck right off.
Lol as if anyone who works for us doesn't have a smartphone.
I think what Sandy meant was you want me accessing work stuff on a phone you supply a phone as your apps are going nowhere near my private phone. Which is much the stance I take with my company.
That's not what I was thinking but strengthens the argument!
Part of the reason for my reluctance for that is that my company states it has the ability to check your phone for company data when you leave. HR is not thumbing through my personal phone thanks. I suspect a lot of firms have that sort of clause
And what happens if you “lose” your phone before quitting?
In this spectacularly complacent press conference. Even business Insider has no interest in the enormous impact the government's measures will have on.....er.....business.
You can tell from this press conference that the doctors are firmly in control of policy.
So imagine the worst hit the economy could take from this, your absolute worst nightmare, and assume its going to be worse than that.
For two million job losses read four million, in other words.
I think Boris Johnson will start taking charge again in a couple of weeks' time, and he's likely to take the economy into account a lot more than is presently the case.
There's no chance of the economy making any sort of proper return till the health crisis is under far more control than at present.
I don't think you appreciate the depths of these people's concern for their bank balances.
I'm not so sure that the desperation to get the economy motoring again as soon as possible is so much to do with a concern for people's bank balances, as it is for the people who don't have bank balances.
The government is doing its best to polish a turd but the current figures are pretty dreadful. Testing is still woefully inadequate and so positive test numbers tell us little. Deaths in hospital from Covid-19 are poor and expected to get worse, and the government has no real handle on deaths from Covid-19 outside hospital. The government refuses to acknowledge even that the figures are poor.
Most depressingly, there’s not a single opposition politician pointing any of this out. The Labour Party are far more concerned with internecine score-settling.
YOU are talking about numbers that are totally unreliable. Deaths from or with Coronavirus for example, are reportedly being lumped in together.
New infections and hospital admissions and rate of increase in spare capacity are more important, surely.
No. The most important detail is total mortality at present.
The from/with debate is utterly sterile. Causation is often complex. It’s clear that Covid-19 can be highly harmful to health. Examining what exactly killed many people is as futile as working out who exactly was the killer on the Orient Express.
You seem to have undermined your own argument with that response.
IF its a complex matter then why do we trust the data?
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The government is doing its best to polish a turd but the current figures are pretty dreadful. Testing is still woefully inadequate and so positive test numbers tell us little. Deaths in hospital from Covid-19 are poor and expected to get worse, and the government has no real handle on deaths from Covid-19 outside hospital. The government refuses to acknowledge even that the figures are poor.
Most depressingly, there’s not a single opposition politician pointing any of this out. The Labour Party are far more concerned with internecine score-settling.
No, it's a question of what's reported as news in most of the media: the press still think that an internal Labour argument is more interesting than Labour's views on COVID, and it's been like that for weeks. From two minutes' googling:
The reasons for not wearing nuisance masks are many. The reasons for wearing are they keep your nose cleaner,and instead of coughing on someone you smear your gob over yourself when you take the mask off and deposit it on handrails.
The government is doing its best to polish a turd but the current figures are pretty dreadful. Testing is still woefully inadequate and so positive test numbers tell us little. Deaths in hospital from Covid-19 are poor and expected to get worse, and the government has no real handle on deaths from Covid-19 outside hospital. The government refuses to acknowledge even that the figures are poor.
Most depressingly, there’s not a single opposition politician pointing any of this out. The Labour Party are far more concerned with internecine score-settling.
YOU are talking about numbers that are totally unreliable. Deaths from or with Coronavirus for example, are reportedly being lumped in together.
New infections and hospital admissions and rate of increase in spare capacity are more important, surely.
No. The most important detail is total mortality at present.
The from/with debate is utterly sterile. Causation is often complex. It’s clear that Covid-19 can be highly harmful to health. Examining what exactly killed many people is as futile as working out who exactly was the killer on the Orient Express.
You seem to have undermined your own argument with that response.
IF its a complex matter then why do we trust the data?
We don’t. At least, not blindly. It tells us something (quite a lot, actually), however, and we should pay attention to that. We shouldn’t just junk it because it has problems. We make the best of what we have.
It's time for the government to dump Huawei from 5G.
I'm looking forward to getting my Huawei Mate Xs this week.
There's been rumours at work that the company is about to ban Huawei devices for any work correspondence. Not such a big deal for me as I get a device, but loads of junior level people don't and you need to be contactible pretty much at any time and have access to work emails at any time too. Then again, I haven't seen a lot of people with Huawei devices, mostly iPhones and Samsungs.
Staff are expected to purchase their own device in order to access work emails?
The employer needs to be told to feck right off.
Lol as if anyone who works for us doesn't have a smartphone.
I think what Sandy meant was you want me accessing work stuff on a phone you supply a phone as your apps are going nowhere near my private phone. Which is much the stance I take with my company.
That's not what I was thinking but strengthens the argument!
Part of the reason for my reluctance for that is that my company states it has the ability to check your phone for company data when you leave. HR is not thumbing through my personal phone thanks. I suspect a lot of firms have that sort of clause
And what happens if you “lose” your phone before quitting?
Mine pays for phone and all calls , they can check who I am phoning any time, I am happy to have no cost option and ability to make free personal calls internet access etc.
You can tell from this press conference that the doctors are firmly in control of policy.
So imagine the worst hit the economy could take from this, your absolute worst nightmare, and assume its going to be worse than that.
For two million job losses read four million, in other words.
Oh, it's going to be a grade A catastrophe, through a combination of public fear, changing habits, ongoing social distancing measures and a long and grinding lockdown.
Once discretionary retail gets up and running, a lot of customers won't come back because they'll move online or only go out to buy clothes, in particular, if they're essential and not the sort of basics they can pick up whilst at the supermarket. The shops will also, presumably, be made to put staff on the doors to arrange orderly queues or shoo customers away once they're full (which, for smaller units, may mean only having two people in there at any one time.)
Services like hairdressers will also come back, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were made to trade by appointment only and half the chairs were left empty to at least keep the customers 2m apart from each other. The staff will probably be told to wear masks.
God alone knows when the leisure and hospitality industries will be allowed to resume trading. Worst case scenario is that nobody gets to reopen until we have herd immunity or a vaccine, because social distancing, and the whole lot goes to the wall. That'll cause a depression on its own.
Fact is, I don't think it'll get quite that far because the imperative to avert mass unemployment and socio-economic collapse will eventually force the Government to let the virus out of jail. In fact, I've suspected for some time that this is what the Nightingale hospitals are primarily for - not so much dealing with the immediate crisis but warehousing the victims of the second wave. But I certainly wouldn't want to be employed by (or recently laid off from) a business like a cafe or a gym right now.
Businesses do fail, often through no fault of their own, when circumstances change. Normally the Right is quite resistant to the state bailing them out. Strangely, some sections of the Right now think not only that businesses should be bailed out, but that hundreds of thousands of lives should be sacrificed to do it. It seems an odd philosophy for conservatives to espouse.
Odd that Conservatives want state bailouts? This is Theresa May vs George Osborne redux. May understood the grassroots of the party running small businesses, the ones facing ruin. Osborne represents both the trustafarians and the financiers, who are not directly impacted and might even profit.
You can tell from this press conference that the doctors are firmly in control of policy.
So imagine the worst hit the economy could take from this, your absolute worst nightmare, and assume its going to be worse than that.
For two million job losses read four million, in other words.
Oh, it's going to be a grade A catastrophe, through a combination of public fear, changing habits, ongoing social distancing measures and a long and grinding lockdown.
Once discretionary retail gets up and running, a lot of customers won't come back because they'll move online or only go out to buy clothes, in particular, if they're essential and not the sort of basics they can pick up whilst at the supermarket. The shops will also, presumably, be made to put staff on the doors to arrange orderly queues or shoo customers away once they're full (which, for smaller units, may mean only having two people in there at any one time.)
Services like hairdressers will also come back, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were made to trade by appointment only and half the chairs were left empty to at least keep the customers 2m apart from each other. The staff will probably be told to wear masks.
God alone knows when the leisure and hospitality industries will be allowed to resume trading. Worst case scenario is that nobody gets to reopen until we have herd immunity or a vaccine, because social distancing, and the whole lot goes to the wall. That'll cause a depression on its own.
Fact is, I don't think it'll get quite that far because the imperative to avert mass unemployment and socio-economic collapse will eventually force the Government to let the virus out of jail. In fact, I've suspected for some time that this is what the Nightingale hospitals are primarily for - not so much dealing with the immediate crisis but warehousing the victims of the second wave. But I certainly wouldn't want to be employed by (or recently laid off from) a business like a cafe or a gym right now.
Businesses do fail, often through no fault of their own, when circumstances change. Normally the Right is quite resistant to the state bailing them out. Strangely, some sections of the Right now think not only that businesses should be bailed out, but that hundreds of thousands of lives should be sacrificed to do it. It seems an odd philosophy for conservatives to espouse.
This has moved beyond a silly left-right dispute. If the Treasury runs out of money to prop up all the unemployed before this is all over (because the markets won't lend to it anymore, and it can't print its way out of trouble without ruining everybody through hyperinflation) then we have mass starvation and societal collapse.
It always comes back to a balance: if the number of lives destroyed by the measures taken to combat coronavirus exceeds those destroyed by the virus itself, then at least some of the measures to suppress the virus must be removed. A hypothetical Labour administration would be faced with exactly the same horrible choices as the current one.
Don’t get either Neil’s or Hodges’ responses. The reports of what is in the report do not suggest a culture that will be productive to Labour actually winning a general election.
Did you miss the bit about "in a national crisis"?
No, but they can’t exactly ignore the report. If anything not responding to it and letting dissent grow will limit the capacity for the opposition to be an effective one during this period of national crisis. If people think Labour are in a civil war now, it’d be worse if the leadership said and did nothing. At least now the leadership can focus its attention to how best to hold the government to account during this pandemic.
Midlands deaths higher than London in the latest set. And North West up there as well.
It seems to be kicking off more up here in Yorkshire now, as well. It appears that the focus may well be moving north of Birmingham for the next stage. Still not up to the level of London’s problem though.
One would expect the number of cases as a proportion of total population to end up varying by region, with the most urbanized areas suffering the worst. We have all been asked to practice social distancing for a reason, after all. This is why, for example, it's no surprise that the East of England, which has no large cities, is suffering less badly than Scotland, which has approximately the same population but where most of the people inhabit the central belt.
however Scotland count all deaths , care homes etc, as far as I am aware England do not , they only count hospital and then only if tested so not a great comparison. Deaths in Scotland are significantly below England even counting those factors, why is that.
Then there is a weekly update which covers all deaths based on death certificates. This will cover any death that mentions Covid-19 on the death certificate, wherever they died, hospital, care home or at home. As it takes time for death certificates to filter through there is a lag,
The same way as England & Wales.
I did indeed and knew how Scotland counted , but have seen varying articles on what is counted in England, some say care homes included some say not, some say only if tested some say all. Given they will not bother testing in care homes it could make a huge difference to the actual numbers reported.
The daily NHS stats are in-hospital only, whereas the weekly ONS stats include all deaths. I don't think that has ever changed.
we should be looking at ONS for accurate numbers then
Of course, but they take time to compile. I don't think there is much material difference between the approach in England and Scotland.
Am I missing something Rob, ONS appear to be England and Wales only
Isn't there a Scottish equivalent that are collating the same information?
You can tell from this press conference that the doctors are firmly in control of policy.
So imagine the worst hit the economy could take from this, your absolute worst nightmare, and assume its going to be worse than that.
For two million job losses read four million, in other words.
Oh, it's going to be a grade A catastrophe, through a combination of public fear, changing habits, ongoing social distancing measures and a long and grinding lockdown.
Once discretionary retail gets up and running, a lot of customers won't come back because they'll move online or only go out to buy clothes, in particular, if they're essential and not the sort of basics they can pick up whilst at the supermarket. The shops will also, presumably, be made to put staff on the doors to arrange orderly queues or shoo customers away once they're full (which, for smaller units, may mean only having two people in there at any one time.)
Services like hairdressers will also come back, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were made to trade by appointment only and half the chairs were left empty to at least keep the customers 2m apart from each other. The staff will probably be told to wear masks.
God alone knows when the leisure and hospitality industries will be allowed to resume trading. Worst case scenario is that nobody gets to reopen until we have herd immunity or a vaccine, because social distancing, and the whole lot goes to the wall. That'll cause a depression on its own.
Fact is, I don't think it'll get quite that far because the imperative to avert mass unemployment and socio-economic collapse will eventually force the Government to let the virus out of jail. In fact, I've suspected for some time that this is what the Nightingale hospitals are primarily for - not so much dealing with the immediate crisis but warehousing the victims of the second wave. But I certainly wouldn't want to be employed by (or recently laid off from) a business like a cafe or a gym right now.
Businesses do fail, often through no fault of their own, when circumstances change. Normally the Right is quite resistant to the state bailing them out. Strangely, some sections of the Right now think not only that businesses should be bailed out, but that hundreds of thousands of lives should be sacrificed to do it. It seems an odd philosophy for conservatives to espouse.
It's a matter of changing mindset from 'I have to keep what I have' to 'what can I do now to benefit from the situation?' If most people in your line of work are running around going 'I'm doomed' then maybe you are better spending your time working out how you can get ahead of them. In my own field, there are going to be real difficulties about losing custom from East Asia. The answer is not 'how do I get that back?' it's 'what can I do instead and how can I get there first?'
There was a perfect jobsworth in Oxford, when I was growing up....
The local Sainbury's allowed the local enviro-activist types to take just expired food from pallets stacked at the back of the store. Left them in a separate stack etc.
The jobsworth in question claimed this was selling out of date food. He got the store closed, full inventory etc, while all the fresh produce spoiled. Which he was proud of.
The store reopened with a chain link fence around the area at the back where the out of date food was stored.
One week later, a neat staircase of forklift pallets, inside and outside the fence was noticed.
Fuckwit tried again - strangely, this time we was told to Foxtrot Oscar by his bosses.
They are in kegs currently, you'd need a bottling operation to distribute, and a seriously inefficient one at that as you'd have to be swapping kegs constantly.
Also, due to the wonders of capitalism everything is optimised towards cost and as a result we don't have spare capacity for doing things like that, thus huge quantaties of milk being flushed away despite the shelves being short of milk as milk previously destined for industrial use can't be rerouted to domestic use as there is no spare bottling capacity.
Midlands deaths higher than London in the latest set. And North West up there as well.
It seems to be kicking off more up here in Yorkshire now, as well. It appears that the focus may well be moving north of Birmingham for the next stage. Still not up to the level of London’s problem though.
One would expect the number of cases as a proportion of total population to end up varying by region, with the most urbanized areas suffering the worst. We have all been asked to practice social distancing for a reason, after all. This is why, for example, it's no surprise that the East of England, which has no large cities, is suffering less badly than Scotland, which has approximately the same population but where most of the people inhabit the central belt.
however Scotland count all deaths , care homes etc, as far as I am aware England do not , they only count hospital and then only if tested so not a great comparison. Deaths in Scotland are significantly below England even counting those factors, why is that.
Then there is a weekly update which covers all deaths based on death certificates. This will cover any death that mentions Covid-19 on the death certificate, wherever they died, hospital, care home or at home. As it takes time for death certificates to filter through there is a lag,
The same way as England & Wales.
I did indeed and knew how Scotland counted , but have seen varying articles on what is counted in England, some say care homes included some say not, some say only if tested some say all. Given they will not bother testing in care homes it could make a huge difference to the actual numbers reported.
The daily NHS stats are in-hospital only, whereas the weekly ONS stats include all deaths. I don't think that has ever changed.
we should be looking at ONS for accurate numbers then
Of course, but they take time to compile. I don't think there is much material difference between the approach in England and Scotland.
Am I missing something Rob, ONS appear to be England and Wales only
Isn't there a Scottish equivalent that are collating the same information?
If Boris is making a list based on anecdata, I've recently heard mumblings around the need for dentists, chiropodists, children's clothes (the buggers keep growing even if you don't feed them) and opticians.
If it can be done safely(one in, one out, different chairs etc.), barbers/hairdressers. I've bought some hair clippers but am wary of having a go, as it might be a complete disaster.
Midlands deaths higher than London in the latest set. And North West up there as well.
It seems to be kicking off more up here in Yorkshire now, as well. It appears that the focus may well be moving north of Birmingham for the next stage. Still not up to the level of London’s problem though.
One would expect the number of cases as a proportion of total population to end up varying by region, with the most urbanized areas suffering the worst. We have all been asked to practice social distancing for a reason, after all. This is why, for example, it's no surprise that the East of England, which has no large cities, is suffering less badly than Scotland, which has approximately the same population but where most of the people inhabit the central belt.
however Scotland count all deaths , care homes etc, as far as I am aware England do not , they only count hospital and then only if tested so not a great comparison. Deaths in Scotland are significantly below England even counting those factors, why is that.
Then there is a weekly update which covers all deaths based on death certificates. This will cover any death that mentions Covid-19 on the death certificate, wherever they died, hospital, care home or at home. As it takes time for death certificates to filter through there is a lag,
The same way as England & Wales.
I did indeed and knew how Scotland counted , but have seen varying articles on what is counted in England, some say care homes included some say not, some say only if tested some say all. Given they will not bother testing in care homes it could make a huge difference to the actual numbers reported.
The daily NHS stats are in-hospital only, whereas the weekly ONS stats include all deaths. I don't think that has ever changed.
we should be looking at ONS for accurate numbers then
Of course, but they take time to compile. I don't think there is much material difference between the approach in England and Scotland.
Am I missing something Rob, ONS appear to be England and Wales only
Isn't there a Scottish equivalent that are collating the same information?
The reasons for not wearing nuisance masks are many. The reasons for wearing are they keep your nose cleaner,and instead of coughing on someone you smear your gob over yourself when you take the mask off and deposit it on handrails.
Oh, and you get a false feeling of confidence,
Damn that nasty science.
Does anyone really believe we were told not to wear masks because the science showed that wearing masks was dangerous - rather than because masks were in short supply?
You can tell from this press conference that the doctors are firmly in control of policy.
So imagine the worst hit the economy could take from this, your absolute worst nightmare, and assume its going to be worse than that.
For two million job losses read four million, in other words.
Oh, it's going to be a grade A catastrophe, through a combination of public fear, changing habits, ongoing social distancing measures and a long and grinding lockdown.
Once discretionary retail gets up and running, a lot of customers won't come back because they'll move online or only go out to buy clothes, in particular, if they're essential and not the sort of basics they can pick up whilst at the supermarket. The shops will also, presumably, be made to put staff on the doors to arrange orderly queues or shoo customers away once they're full (which, for smaller units, may mean only having two people in there at any one time.)
Services like hairdressers will also come back, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were made to trade by appointment only and half the chairs were left empty to at least keep the customers 2m apart from each other. The staff will probably be told to wear masks.
God alone knows when the leisure and hospitality industries will be allowed to resume trading. Worst case scenario is that nobody gets to reopen until we have herd immunity or a vaccine, because social distancing, and the whole lot goes to the wall. That'll cause a depression on its own.
Fact is, I don't think it'll get quite that far because the imperative to avert mass unemployment and socio-economic collapse will eventually force the Government to let the virus out of jail. In fact, I've suspected for some time that this is what the Nightingale hospitals are primarily for - not so much dealing with the immediate crisis but warehousing the victims of the second wave. But I certainly wouldn't want to be employed by (or recently laid off from) a business like a cafe or a gym right now.
Yeah, this is some great depression level stuff. I have access to some limited economic data through my job and it's hard to see how this doesn't result in a near fatal blow to the high street. There won't be any reason to leave our homes soon - there won't be anywhere left open to go.
The tax base is clearly going to take a kicking, it's not a question of us all paying more tax, it's going to be a fact that there simply aren't enough people left working to pay enough tax to keep public services going. Austerity will seem mild compared to the cuts that will need to be made.
The alternative is we print a load of funny money. Which I think is where we are headed.
Most pubs aren't licensed for off-sales (which includes freebies). In Scotland, you've got minimum alcohol price issues, and in the rest of the UK tax/duty implications.
It also seems irresponsible and probably illegal to encourage crowds of people to queue for your "free" beer collection from a business that is meant to be closed.
On distributing via supermarkets, they are either undercutting their own drinks offering or buying in stock where they've got all the liability if someone gets ill from off beer or unhygienic packaging, and no proper system for verifying if it's okay or proper comeback from the supplier. So they wouldn't touch it with a bargepole.
Plus the pub loses any chance of getting money back from the brewer - they'll struggle anyway but won't get a penny if they can't produce the unused beer barrels.
You can tell from this press conference that the doctors are firmly in control of policy.
So imagine the worst hit the economy could take from this, your absolute worst nightmare, and assume its going to be worse than that.
For two million job losses read four million, in other words.
Oh, it's going to be a grade A catastrophe, through a combination of public fear, changing habits, ongoing social distancing measures and a long and grinding lockdown.
Once discretionary retail gets up and running, a lot of customers won't come back because they'll move online or only go out to buy clothes, in particular, if they're essential and not the sort of basics they can pick up whilst at the supermarket. The shops will also, presumably, be made to put staff on the doors to arrange orderly queues or shoo customers away once they're full (which, for smaller units, may mean only having two people in there at any one time.)
Services like hairdressers will also come back, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were made to trade by appointment only and half the chairs were left empty to at least keep the customers 2m apart from each other. The staff will probably be told to wear masks.
God alone knows when the leisure and hospitality industries will be allowed to resume trading. Worst case scenario is that nobody gets to reopen until we have herd immunity or a vaccine, because social distancing, and the whole lot goes to the wall. That'll cause a depression on its own.
Fact is, I don't think it'll get quite that far because the imperative to avert mass unemployment and socio-economic collapse will eventually force the Government to let the virus out of jail. In fact, I've suspected for some time that this is what the Nightingale hospitals are primarily for - not so much dealing with the immediate crisis but warehousing the victims of the second wave. But I certainly wouldn't want to be employed by (or recently laid off from) a business like a cafe or a gym right now.
Yeah, this is some great depression level stuff. I have access to some limited economic data through my job and it's hard to see how this doesn't result in a near fatal blow to the high street. There won't be any reason to leave our homes soon - there won't be anywhere left open to go.
The tax base is clearly going to take a kicking, it's not a question of us all paying more tax, it's going to be a fact that there simply aren't enough people left working to pay enough tax to keep public services going. Austerity will seem mild compared to the cuts that will need to be made.
The alternative is we print a load of funny money. Which I think is where we are headed.
Yes, I don’t see Boris making more cuts. They will print money to avoid economic disaster.
If Boris is making a list based on anecdata, I've recently heard mumblings around the need for dentists, chiropodists, children's clothes (the buggers keep growing even if you don't feed them) and opticians.
If it can be done safely(one in, one out, different chairs etc.), barbers/hairdressers. I've bought some hair clippers but am wary of having a go, as it might be a complete disaster.
Fast forward six months and everyone's either going to look like an internment camp detainee or cousin It.
Yes some of them are still moaning about Starmer’s and Rayner’s response. What do they expect, everyone who they don’t like to be expelled immediately? That’s not realistic. Plus the claims in the report surely have to be verified as well given the seriousness of the claims.
You can tell from this press conference that the doctors are firmly in control of policy.
So imagine the worst hit the economy could take from this, your absolute worst nightmare, and assume its going to be worse than that.
For two million job losses read four million, in other words.
Oh, it's going to be a grade A catastrophe, through a combination of public fear, changing habits, ongoing social distancing measures and a long and grinding lockdown.
Once discretionary retail gets up and running, a lot of customers won't come back because they'll move online or only go out to buy clothes, in particular, if they're essential and not the sort of basics they can pick up whilst at the supermarket. The shops will also, presumably, be made to put staff on the doors to arrange orderly queues or shoo customers away once they're full (which, for smaller units, may mean only having two people in there at any one time.)
Services like hairdressers will also come back, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were made to trade by appointment only and half the chairs were left empty to at least keep the customers 2m apart from each other. The staff will probably be told to wear masks.
God alone knows when the leisure and hospitality industries will be allowed to resume trading. Worst case scenario is that nobody gets to reopen until we have herd immunity or a vaccine, because social distancing, and the whole lot goes to the wall. That'll cause a depression on its own.
Fact is, I don't think it'll get quite that far because the imperative to avert mass unemployment and socio-economic collapse will eventually force the Government to let the virus out of jail. In fact, I've suspected for some time that this is what the Nightingale hospitals are primarily for - not so much dealing with the immediate crisis but warehousing the victims of the second wave. But I certainly wouldn't want to be employed by (or recently laid off from) a business like a cafe or a gym right now.
Yeah, this is some great depression level stuff. I have access to some limited economic data through my job and it's hard to see how this doesn't result in a near fatal blow to the high street. There won't be any reason to leave our homes soon - there won't be anywhere left open to go.
The tax base is clearly going to take a kicking, it's not a question of us all paying more tax, it's going to be a fact that there simply aren't enough people left working to pay enough tax to keep public services going. Austerity will seem mild compared to the cuts that will need to be made.
The alternative is we print a load of funny money. Which I think is where we are headed.
Yes, I don’t see Boris making more cuts. They will print money to avoid economic disaster.
Indeed. The future is really going to pay for this one.
If Boris is making a list based on anecdata, I've recently heard mumblings around the need for dentists, chiropodists, children's clothes (the buggers keep growing even if you don't feed them) and opticians.
If it can be done safely(one in, one out, different chairs etc.), barbers/hairdressers. I've bought some hair clippers but am wary of having a go, as it might be a complete disaster.
Fast forward six months and everyone's either going to look like an internment camp detainee or cousin It.
I've been watching a lot of 1970s box sets. People were much hairier then, although the greatest difference is in car doors, which were a lot thinner and not as well fitting.
I've read a bit that the thing many business are fearing the most is not an extended lockdown but a reopen followed by a second Lockdown a few months later.
Lots of costs to start back up again followed by another cessation of income would be killer.
If Boris is making a list based on anecdata, I've recently heard mumblings around the need for dentists, chiropodists, children's clothes (the buggers keep growing even if you don't feed them) and opticians.
If it can be done safely(one in, one out, different chairs etc.), barbers/hairdressers. I've bought some hair clippers but am wary of having a go, as it might be a complete disaster.
Fast forward six months and everyone's either going to look like an internment camp detainee or cousin It.
My wife is cutting my hair over a period of days. Started with a shave round the back and sides and now slowly zeroing in on correct hair length up top and fringe.
You can tell from this press conference that the doctors are firmly in control of policy.
So imagine the worst hit the economy could take from this, your absolute worst nightmare, and assume its going to be worse than that.
For two million job losses read four million, in other words.
Oh, it's going to be a grade A catastrophe, through a combination of public fear, changing habits, ongoing social distancing measures and a long and grinding lockdown.
Once discretionary retail gets up and running, a lot of customers won't come back because they'll move online or only go out to buy clothes, in particular, if they're essential and not the sort of basics they can pick up whilst at the supermarket. The shops will also, presumably, be made to put staff on the doors to arrange orderly queues or shoo customers away once they're full (which, for smaller units, may mean only having two people in there at any one time.)
Services like hairdressers will also come back, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were made to trade by appointment only and half the chairs were left empty to at least keep the customers 2m apart from each other. The staff will probably be told to wear masks.
God alone knows when the leisure and hospitality industries will be allowed to resume trading. Worst case scenario is that nobody gets to reopen until we have herd immunity or a vaccine, because social distancing, and the whole lot goes to the wall. That'll cause a depression on its own.
Fact is, I don't think it'll get quite that far because the imperative to avert mass unemployment and socio-economic collapse will eventually force the Government to let the virus out of jail. In fact, I've suspected for some time that this is what the Nightingale hospitals are primarily for - not so much dealing with the immediate crisis but warehousing the victims of the second wave. But I certainly wouldn't want to be employed by (or recently laid off from) a business like a cafe or a gym right now.
Businesses do fail, often through no fault of their own, when circumstances change. Normally the Right is quite resistant to the state bailing them out. Strangely, some sections of the Right now think not only that businesses should be bailed out, but that hundreds of thousands of lives should be sacrificed to do it. It seems an odd philosophy for conservatives to espouse.
Again I think it is wrong to characterise this as 'the Right'. It is oddballs and contrarians on all sides who seem to think this is overblown and we need to get back to 'normal'.
You can tell from this press conference that the doctors are firmly in control of policy.
So imagine the worst hit the economy could take from this, your absolute worst nightmare, and assume its going to be worse than that.
For two million job losses read four million, in other words.
Oh, it's going to be a grade A catastrophe, through a combination of public fear, changing habits, ongoing social distancing measures and a long and grinding lockdown.
Once discretionary retail gets up and running, a lot of customers won't come back because they'll move online or only go out to buy clothes, in particular, if they're essential and not the sort of basics they can pick up whilst at the supermarket. The shops will also, presumably, be made to put staff on the doors to arrange orderly queues or shoo customers away once they're full (which, for smaller units, may mean only having two people in there at any one time.)
Services like hairdressers will also come back, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were made to trade by appointment only and half the chairs were left empty to at least keep the customers 2m apart from each other. The staff will probably be told to wear masks.
God alone knows when the leisure and hospitality industries will be allowed to resume trading. Worst case scenario is that nobody gets to reopen until we have herd immunity or a vaccine, because social distancing, and the whole lot goes to the wall. That'll cause a depression on its own.
Fact is, I don't think it'll get quite that far because the imperative to avert mass unemployment and socio-economic collapse will eventually force the Government to let the virus out of jail. In fact, I've suspected for some time that this is what the Nightingale hospitals are primarily for - not so much dealing with the immediate crisis but warehousing the victims of the second wave. But I certainly wouldn't want to be employed by (or recently laid off from) a business like a cafe or a gym right now.
Businesses do fail, often through no fault of their own, when circumstances change. Normally the Right is quite resistant to the state bailing them out. Strangely, some sections of the Right now think not only that businesses should be bailed out, but that hundreds of thousands of lives should be sacrificed to do it. It seems an odd philosophy for conservatives to espouse.
It's a matter of changing mindset from 'I have to keep what I have' to 'what can I do now to benefit from the situation?' If most people in your line of work are running around going 'I'm doomed' then maybe you are better spending your time working out how you can get ahead of them. In my own field, there are going to be real difficulties about losing custom from East Asia. The answer is not 'how do I get that back?' it's 'what can I do instead and how can I get there first?'
Sorry, but despite the histrionic language used by some, the costs of the lockdown are going to be measured primarily in terms of wealth, not lives. And the prophets of economic doom hardly seem to have placed the lives of the poor high on their agenda previously.
You can tell from this press conference that the doctors are firmly in control of policy.
So imagine the worst hit the economy could take from this, your absolute worst nightmare, and assume its going to be worse than that.
For two million job losses read four million, in other words.
Oh, it's going to be a grade A catastrophe, through a combination of public fear, changing habits, ongoing social distancing measures and a long and grinding lockdown.
Once discretionary retail gets up and running, a lot of customers won't come back because they'll move online or only go out to buy clothes, in particular, if they're essential and not the sort of basics they can pick up whilst at the supermarket. The shops will also, presumably, be made to put staff on the doors to arrange orderly queues or shoo customers away once they're full (which, for smaller units, may mean only having two people in there at any one time.)
Services like hairdressers will also come back, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were made to trade by appointment only and half the chairs were left empty to at least keep the customers 2m apart from each other. The staff will probably be told to wear masks.
God alone knows when the leisure and hospitality industries will be allowed to resume trading. Worst case scenario is that nobody gets to reopen until we have herd immunity or a vaccine, because social distancing, and the whole lot goes to the wall. That'll cause a depression on its own.
Fact is, I don't think it'll get quite that far because the imperative to avert mass unemployment and socio-economic collapse will eventually force the Government to let the virus out of jail. In fact, I've suspected for some time that this is what the Nightingale hospitals are primarily for - not so much dealing with the immediate crisis but warehousing the victims of the second wave. But I certainly wouldn't want to be employed by (or recently laid off from) a business like a cafe or a gym right now.
Yeah, this is some great depression level stuff. I have access to some limited economic data through my job and it's hard to see how this doesn't result in a near fatal blow to the high street. There won't be any reason to leave our homes soon - there won't be anywhere left open to go.
The tax base is clearly going to take a kicking, it's not a question of us all paying more tax, it's going to be a fact that there simply aren't enough people left working to pay enough tax to keep public services going. Austerity will seem mild compared to the cuts that will need to be made.
The alternative is we print a load of funny money. Which I think is where we are headed.
Yes, I don’t see Boris making more cuts. They will print money to avoid economic disaster.
No, one thing they won't do is print a l'outrance. That gets you nowhere: your currency goes down the toilet and you can't afford the imports that you need. For a country that buys in half its food that's a complete non-starter.
My best guess is that they'll relax the lockdown as far as they can without overtopping the capacity of the Nightingales (e.g. by letting most working age people go to the shops and re-opening the schools, whilst telling the shielded people and the over-70s to stay home indefinitely,) coupled with steep tax rises.
You can tell from this press conference that the doctors are firmly in control of policy.
So imagine the worst hit the economy could take from this, your absolute worst nightmare, and assume its going to be worse than that.
For two million job losses read four million, in other words.
Oh, it's going to be a grade A catastrophe, through a combination of public fear, changing habits, ongoing social distancing measures and a long and grinding lockdown.
Once discretionary retail gets up and running, a lot of customers won't come back because they'll move online or only go out to buy clothes, in particular, if they're essential and not the sort of basics they can pick up whilst at the supermarket. The shops will also, presumably, be made to put staff on the doors to arrange orderly queues or shoo customers away once they're full (which, for smaller units, may mean only having two people in there at any one time.)
Services like hairdressers will also come back, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were made to trade by appointment only and half the chairs were left empty to at least keep the customers 2m apart from each other. The staff will probably be told to wear masks.
God alone knows when the leisure and hospitality industries will be allowed to resume trading. Worst case scenario is that nobody gets to reopen until we have herd immunity or a vaccine, because social distancing, and the whole lot goes to the wall. That'll cause a depression on its own.
Fact is, I don't think it'll get quite that far because the imperative to avert mass unemployment and socio-economic collapse will eventually force the Government to let the virus out of jail. In fact, I've suspected for some time that this is what the Nightingale hospitals are primarily for - not so much dealing with the immediate crisis but warehousing the victims of the second wave. But I certainly wouldn't want to be employed by (or recently laid off from) a business like a cafe or a gym right now.
Businesses do fail, often through no fault of their own, when circumstances change. Normally the Right is quite resistant to the state bailing them out. Strangely, some sections of the Right now think not only that businesses should be bailed out, but that hundreds of thousands of lives should be sacrificed to do it. It seems an odd philosophy for conservatives to espouse.
Again I think it is wrong to characterise this as 'the Right'. It is oddballs and contrarians on all sides who seem to think this is overblown and we need to get back to 'normal'.
I did say "some sections of the Right", and it does seem that way to me - Trump (earlier), Bolsonaro (still) and so on.
You can tell from this press conference that the doctors are firmly in control of policy.
So imagine the worst hit the economy could take from this, your absolute worst nightmare, and assume its going to be worse than that.
For two million job losses read four million, in other words.
Oh, it's going to be a grade A catastrophe, through a combination of public fear, changing habits, ongoing social distancing measures and a long and grinding lockdown.
Once discretionary retail gets up and running, a lot of customers won't come back because they'll move online or only go out to buy clothes, in particular, if they're essential and not the sort of basics they can pick up whilst at the supermarket. The shops will also, presumably, be made to put staff on the doors to arrange orderly queues or shoo customers away once they're full (which, for smaller units, may mean only having two people in there at any one time.)
Services like hairdressers will also come back, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were made to trade by appointment only and half the chairs were left empty to at least keep the customers 2m apart from each other. The staff will probably be told to wear masks.
God alone knows when the leisure and hospitality industries will be allowed to resume trading. Worst case scenario is that nobody gets to reopen until we have herd immunity or a vaccine, because social distancing, and the whole lot goes to the wall. That'll cause a depression on its own.
Fact is, I don't think it'll get quite that far because the imperative to avert mass unemployment and socio-economic collapse will eventually force the Government to let the virus out of jail. In fact, I've suspected for some time that this is what the Nightingale hospitals are primarily for - not so much dealing with the immediate crisis but warehousing the victims of the second wave. But I certainly wouldn't want to be employed by (or recently laid off from) a business like a cafe or a gym right now.
Yeah, this is some great depression level stuff. I have access to some limited economic data through my job and it's hard to see how this doesn't result in a near fatal blow to the high street. There won't be any reason to leave our homes soon - there won't be anywhere left open to go.
The tax base is clearly going to take a kicking, it's not a question of us all paying more tax, it's going to be a fact that there simply aren't enough people left working to pay enough tax to keep public services going. Austerity will seem mild compared to the cuts that will need to be made.
The alternative is we print a load of funny money. Which I think is where we are headed.
Yes, I don’t see Boris making more cuts. They will print money to avoid economic disaster.
Indeed. The future is really going to pay for this one.
Or we will discover the debt and deficit hawks have been talking nonsense for the past decade and a half. Our current situation is unprecedented (I think) in that it is not a normal market failure of supply or demand that can be fixed by government stepping in. This is where we have "voluntarily" shut down large sections of the economy. Maybe when lockdown ends, it will return to normal. Maybe it won't. Who knows? The Treasury must be prepared to act but it is hard to know in advance what will be needed and where.
You can tell from this press conference that the doctors are firmly in control of policy.
So imagine the worst hit the economy could take from this, your absolute worst nightmare, and assume its going to be worse than that.
For two million job losses read four million, in other words.
Oh, it's going to be a grade A catastrophe, through a combination of public fear, changing habits, ongoing social distancing measures and a long and grinding lockdown.
Once discretionary retail gets up and running, a lot of customers won't come back because they'll move online or only go out to buy clothes, in particular, if they're essential and not the sort of basics they can pick up whilst at the supermarket. The shops will also, presumably, be made to put staff on the doors to arrange orderly queues or shoo customers away once they're full (which, for smaller units, may mean only having two people in there at any one time.)
Services like hairdressers will also come back, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were made to trade by appointment only and half the chairs were left empty to at least keep the customers 2m apart from each other. The staff will probably be told to wear masks.
God alone knows when the leisure and hospitality industries will be allowed to resume trading. Worst case scenario is that nobody gets to reopen until we have herd immunity or a vaccine, because social distancing, and the whole lot goes to the wall. That'll cause a depression on its own.
Fact is, I don't think it'll get quite that far because the imperative to avert mass unemployment and socio-economic collapse will eventually force the Government to let the virus out of jail. In fact, I've suspected for some time that this is what the Nightingale hospitals are primarily for - not so much dealing with the immediate crisis but warehousing the victims of the second wave. But I certainly wouldn't want to be employed by (or recently laid off from) a business like a cafe or a gym right now.
Yeah, this is some great depression level stuff. I have access to some limited economic data through my job and it's hard to see how this doesn't result in a near fatal blow to the high street. There won't be any reason to leave our homes soon - there won't be anywhere left open to go.
The tax base is clearly going to take a kicking, it's not a question of us all paying more tax, it's going to be a fact that there simply aren't enough people left working to pay enough tax to keep public services going. Austerity will seem mild compared to the cuts that will need to be made.
The alternative is we print a load of funny money. Which I think is where we are headed.
Yes, I don’t see Boris making more cuts. They will print money to avoid economic disaster.
Indeed. The future is really going to pay for this one.
True. But look at it this way. There is no way that the harm of dealing with this virus will remotely compare with World War 2. A dozen years after 1945, Supermac was able to accurately say that Britons had never had it so good. In the short and medium term, life is going to be noticeably rubbish. We get that. But in the longer term, it's another blip.
I'm not sure that a Vat of Popcorn exists big enough to keep me happy during the final battle of good vs evil. What a time to join the Labour Party!
If you do not mind me asking how do you see this concluding ?
With a Labour MP issuing a legal suit against the Labour Party for its Crime of not issuing the report which it's a massive illegal breech of Data Protection. The Real Enemy of the loons has always been the Labour Party. And in signing a letter demanding that the Labour Party illegally publish a report which the leader/deputy/moderates know nothing about which would thus sink the Labour Party for libel / data protection they have finally gone over the top in their war against themselves.
It would be quicker and simpler for Starmer to expel the MPs who signed this death warrant demand. As the Tories already have a whopping majority it makes no difference to the parliamentary maths. Expel them all now and be done with it.
The government is doing its best to polish a turd but the current figures are pretty dreadful. Testing is still woefully inadequate and so positive test numbers tell us little. Deaths in hospital from Covid-19 are poor and expected to get worse, and the government has no real handle on deaths from Covid-19 outside hospital. The government refuses to acknowledge even that the figures are poor.
Most depressingly, there’s not a single opposition politician pointing any of this out. The Labour Party are far more concerned with internecine score-settling.
So you want more testing so that the stattos on here can rework their models ?
I've read a bit that the thing many business are fearing the most is not an extended lockdown but a reopen followed by a second Lockdown a few months later.
Lots of costs to start back up again followed by another cessation of income would be killer.
Except once they reopen they will be getting income again, lockdown should be focused on the peak then get businesses back open again and expand testing further
I'm not sure that a Vat of Popcorn exists big enough to keep me happy during the final battle of good vs evil. What a time to join the Labour Party!
If you do not mind me asking how do you see this concluding ?
With a Labour MP issuing a legal suit against the Labour Party for its Crime of not issuing the report which it's a massive illegal breech of Data Protection. The Real Enemy of the loons has always been the Labour Party. And in signing a letter demanding that the Labour Party illegally publish a report which the leader/deputy/moderates know nothing about which would thus sink the Labour Party for libel / data protection they have finally gone over the top in their war against themselves.
It would be quicker and simpler for Starmer to expel the MPs who signed this death warrant demand. As the Tories already have a whopping majority it makes no difference to the parliamentary maths. Expel them all now and be done with it.
Getting rid of the troublesome Europhile headbangers did Boris no harm....
The reasons for not wearing nuisance masks are many. The reasons for wearing are they keep your nose cleaner,and instead of coughing on someone you smear your gob over yourself when you take the mask off and deposit it on handrails.
Oh, and you get a false feeling of confidence,
Damn that nasty science.
Didn't give me any feeling of false confidence, well aware my eyes were still exposed at the supermarket. & I took it off at home after washing my hands. Did it decrease my risk of catching Covid-19 ? Slightly.
One thing about masks, well the FFP2 respirator I had on, on a hot day they do require some getting used to if you're wearing outside (Say waiting to get into the shops)
I'm not sure that a Vat of Popcorn exists big enough to keep me happy during the final battle of good vs evil. What a time to join the Labour Party!
If you do not mind me asking how do you see this concluding ?
With a Labour MP issuing a legal suit against the Labour Party for its Crime of not issuing the report which it's a massive illegal breech of Data Protection. The Real Enemy of the loons has always been the Labour Party. And in signing a letter demanding that the Labour Party illegally publish a report which the leader/deputy/moderates know nothing about which would thus sink the Labour Party for libel / data protection they have finally gone over the top in their war against themselves.
It would be quicker and simpler for Starmer to expel the MPs who signed this death warrant demand. As the Tories already have a whopping majority it makes no difference to the parliamentary maths. Expel them all now and be done with it.
Thank you for answering my query.
It does look as if Starmer needs to stand strong or face a nightmare of a problem
I hope he wins through for your sake but also the country
I'm not sure that a Vat of Popcorn exists big enough to keep me happy during the final battle of good vs evil. What a time to join the Labour Party!
If you do not mind me asking how do you see this concluding ?
With a Labour MP issuing a legal suit against the Labour Party for its Crime of not issuing the report which it's a massive illegal breech of Data Protection. The Real Enemy of the loons has always been the Labour Party. And in signing a letter demanding that the Labour Party illegally publish a report which the leader/deputy/moderates know nothing about which would thus sink the Labour Party for libel / data protection they have finally gone over the top in their war against themselves.
It would be quicker and simpler for Starmer to expel the MPs who signed this death warrant demand. As the Tories already have a whopping majority it makes no difference to the parliamentary maths. Expel them all now and be done with it.
Appealing - begone Burgon, McDonnell and most pleasingly Lavery....
That is an absolutely horrendous percentage positive, suggesting quite significant undercounting of true new cases. Italy only had one day, IIRC, above 40%.
The ratio seems to me to tell us very little - it could just be that due to the numbers of tests they are better targeted to the Rona-positive population.
I trust people are aware that in Italy, France, Belgium, Spain and I suspect others there have been serious outbreaks and deaths in care homes. It is of course tragic and sad but I'm pretty sure most countries have treated their elderly in much the same way - no doubt with errors - but not I think with malice. Remember it is the nature of the beast we are dealing with that the elderly and infirm are those most at risk.
Indeed. But our government was unique - among the ones not run by complete loonies - in the delusion that it would be possible to let the virus run through about two thirds of the population while "cocooning" the vulnerable.
One might have expected even politicians as dim as Johnson and Hancock to question how that would be done for care homes.
Interesting to see you are now describing the Social Democratic government of Sweden as 'complete loonies'!
If Boris is making a list based on anecdata, I've recently heard mumblings around the need for dentists, chiropodists, children's clothes (the buggers keep growing even if you don't feed them) and opticians.
If it can be done safely(one in, one out, different chairs etc.), barbers/hairdressers. I've bought some hair clippers but am wary of having a go, as it might be a complete disaster.
Fast forward six months and everyone's either going to look like an internment camp detainee or cousin It.
Pity the poor crumbliy blokes, coming out blinking into the sunlight, sporting that most horrific look: bald on top, mullet at the back....
Businesses do fail, often through no fault of their own, when circumstances change. Normally the Right is quite resistant to the state bailing them out. Strangely, some sections of the Right now think not only that businesses should be bailed out, but that hundreds of thousands of lives should be sacrificed to do it. It seems an odd philosophy for conservatives to espouse.
This has moved beyond a silly left-right dispute. If the Treasury runs out of money to prop up all the unemployed before this is all over (because the markets won't lend to it anymore, and it can't print its way out of trouble without ruining everybody through hyperinflation) then we have mass starvation and societal collapse.
It always comes back to a balance: if the number of lives destroyed by the measures taken to combat coronavirus exceeds those destroyed by the virus itself, then at least some of the measures to suppress the virus must be removed. A hypothetical Labour administration would be faced with exactly the same horrible choices as the current one.
The Treasury is a VERY long way from the markets being unwilling to lend, with the interest rate currently close to 0. The trickier decision is how far to push interest rates up without accelerating bankruptcies - it's classic stagflation territory. I'd expect new "recovery bonds" to be issued at gradually higher interest rates until the market price is established.
Some production and services will simply be rolled over as used to happen after prolonged strike action or other disruption - if there's a shortage of new cars that people can afford, more new cars will be made to catch up; if a will needs to be prrocessed and the solicitor was unavailable, it will be processed later with no effect except mild inconvenience. Others will simply not happen - train journeys not taken, hairdressers not visited. Assessment of which businesses will manage best involves looking at which are in the "you can catch up" category.
"Does anyone really believe we were told not to wear masks because the science showed that wearing masks was dangerous - rather than because masks were in short supply?"
I do. I suggest you send away for the many reports complied by the Health and Safety Laboratory in Buxton on that very issue. They were spun off from the HSE but many of the research reports continued to be commissioned by HSE Specialist Inspectors.
I'm sure you are fully cognisant of how you need tuition in how to use FFP2 and FFP3 masks properly
At least, the simple dust masks aren't expensive and do keep rocks out your nasal passages. You can wear them if you like. But it's not a conspiracy to hide anything.
My understanding like the flour shortage. It is because they are produced for industry, they are in very large formats, which is no good for home use e.g. nobody at home can use 25kg bags of flour before it goes off.
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Never come across anything quite like this, which is why I'm bewildered.
Edit - Windows 10.
Most depressingly, there’s not a single opposition politician pointing any of this out. The Labour Party are far more concerned with internecine score-settling.
Does it POST (power on self test) when you power it on? In other words, do you see any output (from the bios) before it gets to Windows?
From what you say, I'd be inclined to suspect RAM and if you know what you are doing you could try removing all bar one DIMM (assuming you have more than one to start with). I'm assuming you've not got a secondary graphics card.
What the hell is a DIMM? (Which probably suggests I don't know what I'm doing anyway.)
No, I haven't got a secondary graphics card. Never needed it.
Nothing gets through to the monitors at all. The fan works, and the LED on light, but nothing else.
ONS is talking to the devolved administrations about providing a uniform UK dataset.
This will require deep diving the record gathering process to ensure that the datasets are really equal. There is, I understand, a great deal of mutual respect and cooperation between them, but this process will probably take time.
President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia offered his bleakest comments yet on his country’s handling of the pandemic, warning officials on Monday that the number of severely ill patients was rising and that medical workers faced shortages of protective equipment.
“We have a lot of problems, and we don’t have much to brag about, nor reason to, and we certainly can’t relax,” Mr. Putin told senior officials in a televised videoconference that he conducted from his residence outside Moscow. “We are not past the peak of the epidemic, not even in Moscow.”
Russia’s total number of confirmed cases reached 18,328, double the level of five days earlier, with roughly two-thirds of them in Moscow. The number of deaths stood at 148 nationwide.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/13/world/coronavirus-news.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIMM
It was prioritising keeping international flights going as normal for as long as possible that is the main reason for us getting into the mess we're currently in.
New infections and hospital admissions and rate of increase in spare capacity are more important, surely.
Get on Youtube and look for the channel of a chap called Carey Holzman. He is a rather long-winded American IT guy who posts videos on the theme, customer X has sent this dead PC and here is an hour or two of troubleshooting and fixing. Watch a couple and work out if you can do what he suggests or if you need to call in the professionals. I expect there are self-employed IT techs in your part of Wales, or if this is a second system you could wait till lockdown ends.
https://www.youtube.com/user/CareyHolzman
Holzman is slow and clear, unlike many of the youtube pc builders who assume a lot of prior experience.
The from/with debate is utterly sterile. Causation is often complex. It’s clear that Covid-19 can be highly harmful to health. Examining what exactly killed many people is as futile as working out who exactly was the killer on the Orient Express.
One might have expected even politicians as dim as Johnson and Hancock to question how that would be done for care homes.
Maybe that comment is enough to fire up the Corbynites to upset the apple cart because Starmer must be a tory if a tory is complimenting him
Once discretionary retail gets up and running, a lot of customers won't come back because they'll move online or only go out to buy clothes, in particular, if they're essential and not the sort of basics they can pick up whilst at the supermarket. The shops will also, presumably, be made to put staff on the doors to arrange orderly queues or shoo customers away once they're full (which, for smaller units, may mean only having two people in there at any one time.)
Services like hairdressers will also come back, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were made to trade by appointment only and half the chairs were left empty to at least keep the customers 2m apart from each other. The staff will probably be told to wear masks.
God alone knows when the leisure and hospitality industries will be allowed to resume trading. Worst case scenario is that nobody gets to reopen until we have herd immunity or a vaccine, because social distancing, and the whole lot goes to the wall. That'll cause a depression on its own.
Fact is, I don't think it'll get quite that far because the imperative to avert mass unemployment and socio-economic collapse will eventually force the Government to let the virus out of jail. In fact, I've suspected for some time that this is what the Nightingale hospitals are primarily for - not so much dealing with the immediate crisis but warehousing the victims of the second wave. But I certainly wouldn't want to be employed by (or recently laid off from) a business like a cafe or a gym right now.
The complacency in that press conference and on here is breathtaking. Some people think Britain somehow has a divine right to be a first rank economy, whatever we do to the people who power that economy.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Scott Hancock and Lewis Armistead excepted of course....
If not, I'll have to try and find someone who's still able to fix things.
If Boris is making a list based on anecdata, I've recently heard mumblings around the need for dentists, chiropodists, children's clothes (the buggers keep growing even if you don't feed them) and opticians.
Depends what you really need - are you just using it for email and browsing?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52199185
IF its a complex matter then why do we trust the data?
"Dozens of environmental activists have been referred to the Home Office’s anti-terrorism programme.
Public bodies such as councils, schools and universities have a duty to make referrals to the Prevent programme when they consider a person to be at risk of radicalisation.
At least 45 activists were referred to Prevent over environmental extremism between April 2016 and March last year, a freedom of information request from The Times shows." (£)
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/45-climate-activists-treated-as-terrorists-nxg9kns76
https://labour.org.uk/press/labour-demands-national-testing-strategy-jonathan-ashworth-responds-to-government-press-conference/
https://talkradio.co.uk/news/jonathan-ashworth-were-still-not-testing-enough-20032633136
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2020/mar/18/where-is-the-testing-rosena-allin-khan-questions-pm-on-delayed-covid-19-response-video
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-lack-of-protection-for-nhs-staff-an-abomination-says-labour-mp-on-frontline-11967422
I see this stuff routinely because I get the press releases. Very little gets published in widely-read media.
The reasons for not wearing nuisance masks are many. The reasons for wearing are they keep your nose cleaner,and instead of coughing on someone you smear your gob over yourself when you take the mask off and deposit it on handrails.
Oh, and you get a false feeling of confidence,
Damn that nasty science.
It always comes back to a balance: if the number of lives destroyed by the measures taken to combat coronavirus exceeds those destroyed by the virus itself, then at least some of the measures to suppress the virus must be removed. A hypothetical Labour administration would be faced with exactly the same horrible choices as the current one.
The local Sainbury's allowed the local enviro-activist types to take just expired food from pallets stacked at the back of the store. Left them in a separate stack etc.
The jobsworth in question claimed this was selling out of date food. He got the store closed, full inventory etc, while all the fresh produce spoiled. Which he was proud of.
The store reopened with a chain link fence around the area at the back where the out of date food was stored.
One week later, a neat staircase of forklift pallets, inside and outside the fence was noticed.
Fuckwit tried again - strangely, this time we was told to Foxtrot Oscar by his bosses.
Also, due to the wonders of capitalism everything is optimised towards cost and as a result we don't have spare capacity for doing things like that, thus huge quantaties of milk being flushed away despite the shelves being short of milk as milk previously destined for industrial use can't be rerouted to domestic use as there is no spare bottling capacity.
https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/
The tax base is clearly going to take a kicking, it's not a question of us all paying more tax, it's going to be a fact that there simply aren't enough people left working to pay enough tax to keep public services going. Austerity will seem mild compared to the cuts that will need to be made.
The alternative is we print a load of funny money. Which I think is where we are headed.
Most pubs aren't licensed for off-sales (which includes freebies). In Scotland, you've got minimum alcohol price issues, and in the rest of the UK tax/duty implications.
It also seems irresponsible and probably illegal to encourage crowds of people to queue for your "free" beer collection from a business that is meant to be closed.
On distributing via supermarkets, they are either undercutting their own drinks offering or buying in stock where they've got all the liability if someone gets ill from off beer or unhygienic packaging, and no proper system for verifying if it's okay or proper comeback from the supplier. So they wouldn't touch it with a bargepole.
Plus the pub loses any chance of getting money back from the brewer - they'll struggle anyway but won't get a penny if they can't produce the unused beer barrels.
Lots of costs to start back up again followed by another cessation of income would be killer.
My best guess is that they'll relax the lockdown as far as they can without overtopping the capacity of the Nightingales (e.g. by letting most working age people go to the shops and re-opening the schools, whilst telling the shielded people and the over-70s to stay home indefinitely,) coupled with steep tax rises.
There is no way that the harm of dealing with this virus will remotely compare with World War 2.
A dozen years after 1945, Supermac was able to accurately say that Britons had never had it so good.
In the short and medium term, life is going to be noticeably rubbish. We get that.
But in the longer term, it's another blip.
It would be quicker and simpler for Starmer to expel the MPs who signed this death warrant demand. As the Tories already have a whopping majority it makes no difference to the parliamentary maths. Expel them all now and be done with it.
One thing about masks, well the FFP2 respirator I had on, on a hot day they do require some getting used to if you're wearing outside (Say waiting to get into the shops)
It does look as if Starmer needs to stand strong or face a nightmare of a problem
I hope he wins through for your sake but also the country
Some production and services will simply be rolled over as used to happen after prolonged strike action or other disruption - if there's a shortage of new cars that people can afford, more new cars will be made to catch up; if a will needs to be prrocessed and the solicitor was unavailable, it will be processed later with no effect except mild inconvenience. Others will simply not happen - train journeys not taken, hairdressers not visited. Assessment of which businesses will manage best involves looking at which are in the "you can catch up" category.
"Does anyone really believe we were told not to wear masks because the science showed that wearing masks was dangerous - rather than because masks were in short supply?"
I do. I suggest you send away for the many reports complied by the Health and Safety Laboratory in Buxton on that very issue. They were spun off from the HSE but many of the research reports continued to be commissioned by HSE Specialist Inspectors.
I'm sure you are fully cognisant of how you need tuition in how to use FFP2 and FFP3 masks properly
At least, the simple dust masks aren't expensive and do keep rocks out your nasal passages. You can wear them if you like. But it's not a conspiracy to hide anything.