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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,830
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Going through all the remaining constituencies I make the likely final tallies as follows :

    41 FF, 37 SF, 36 FG

    How the hell does Ireland end up with a government from that result?
    Lucky bastards.
    Though Ireland is one of the places where confidence in democracy is high. STV does seem to enhance confidence in the government.

    https://twitter.com/electoralreform/status/1226856042589511682?s=19
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068

    A road bridge is a bloody stupid idea.

    A rail bridge on the other hand...

    You could run through services from Dublin to Brussels. A proper EU gravy train.

    Rail TUNNEL, surely! A northerly counterpart to the Channel Tunnel.
    You might want to study the seabed in that area. It is anything but flat...
    You wouldn't run it that way.

    Despite it being a lot further, it would make more sense - and may even be cheaper - if you're going to do a GB-Ireland physical link at all, to run it from Anglesea to Dublin and then upgrade the north Welsh routes. A Scotland-NI link is no use to the vast majority of people on either side of the Irish Sea.

    But really, there's little justification spending that amount of money on a link to an island where so few people live, where most of them are in a foreign country (unless that foreign country, which were the prime beneficiary were to stump up most of the cash), and when there's plenty of intra-GB infrastructure that it could be spent on.
    Spot on.

    Anglesea to Dublin, combined with massive infrastructure upgrades to North Wales rail, might make economic sense. It would link two major urban conurbations (Northwest England and Dublin), and could potentially take a lot of trucks off the road.

    But it still probably doesn't make economic sense.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,830

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    If the incubation period can be longer than 3 weeks then we may well see more of this.
    I'm getting really worried now.
    Nearly 100 people died from coronavirus yesterday on the deadliest day of the outbreak so far.

    The death toll in mainland China rose by 97, taking the number of global fatalities to 910.

    Another 3,062 cases were reported in China yesterday - an increase of 15 per cent compared to Saturday which put an end to a series of daily declines.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7986067/Japan-says-60-virus-cases-cruise-ship.html
    The way cases are being reported has changed, now only symptomatic ones are counted, so be careful projecting on the figures.


    https://twitter.com/lwcalex/status/1226840055869632512?s=19
    That will increase the reported mortality rate without increasing any deaths.
    Yes, though knowing the mortality of symptomatic patients is quite a useful figure.
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    sarissasarissa Posts: 1,800

    The quoted Tweeter is wrong about at least one thing - because the bridge is over the sea, numerous expenses relating to properties, villages, areas of outstanding beauty etc. that have been part of HS2 won't happen here.

    Buying off Tory voters in the leafy counties of Brexitshire would be a bargain compared to sinking pillars to an average depth of 150 metres in a seaway with immensely strong tides and frequent Force 7 wind whipping the sea up.

    If the phrase "Wind over tide" means nothing to you, maybe you had better go and look it up because it happens twice a day out there.

    BTW - do not forget to add another 50 to 100 metres of height to allow shipping UNDER the bridge.
    That aspect has been carefully thought out - there will be a 1.5 mile tunnel on the Scottish side, emerging onto Boris Island Freeport©, leaving a narrow seaway to assist collisions in fog or for the prevailing gale force winds to pile ships onto this gentle coast:

    https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/p/AF1QipNunGjxB_4xUcoaxRcUQsBgj56iOKp_jCMT2wMG=h1440
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,354

    Except, of course, Brexit has only just started. But you knew that .... ;)

    Indeed so. Brexit the Event is over but Brexit the Process has yet to begin. Where it will go and how it will feel along the way nobody knows. Will we see a big drop in foreigners coming to live here? Will our economy prosper on the back of new trade deals with exotic, far flung places? Will the natives step up and do the jobs that the foreigners who are no longer coming used to do? Will we have more international clout as Global Britain than we did as EU Britain? And above all - will the day to day reality of being once again a fully independent Island Nation in charge of our own Everything satisfy the yearnings of the neglected people in neglected places who have placed their faith in Brexit and its affable frontman - the politician known to all as "Boris". We will see.
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    Is it just me or are the number of reported cases in the US incredibly low for a country that has a very high population (including a very large Chinese community, who I am sure many visited the homeland for new year) and many international hub airports?

    How much would patients get charged in America?

    American patients may find it easier to self-isolate than seek treatment.
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    Is it just me or are the number of reported cases in the US incredibly low for a country that has a very high population (including a very large Chinese community, who I am sure many visited the homeland for new year) and many international hub airports?

    Coronavirus is a Chinese import and is thus banned from entering the US
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    Is it just me or are the number of reported cases in the US incredibly low for a country that has a very high population (including a very large Chinese community, who I am sure many visited the homeland for new year) and many international hub airports?

    You do wonder how many cases might be going undiagnosed because a lot of people don't go near the healthcare system unless they have to - and having the symptoms of a cold isn't a good enough reason.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    IshmaelZ said:

    I am surprised some celeb at the Oscars didn't use their award speech to claim we wouldn't have this virus problem if the world just went vegan and we didn't fly so often.

    Well, he'd be wrong about the flying. But only about the flying.
    Apparently, if you only fly private, then the coronavirus is much less likely to be spread.
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    If this is intended as gesture politics, it's not well thought-through. With the public on balance hostile to HS2, which does at least have some kind of theoretical justification, it's not going to take kindly to money being spaffed up a bridge to nowhere.
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    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Going through all the remaining constituencies I make the likely final tallies as follows :

    41 FF, 37 SF, 36 FG

    How the hell does Ireland end up with a government from that result?
    Lucky bastards.
    Though Ireland is one of the places where confidence in democracy is high. STV does seem to enhance confidence in the government.

    https://twitter.com/electoralreform/status/1226856042589511682?s=19
    What do the numbskulls want in place of democracy?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941

    Mr. Borough, there's work being done on a modern type of airship (borrows from hovercraft type tech as well, I think). Can land on water, could be great for disaster rescue and relief.

    We recently invented the flying bum didn't we? I think airships are great.
    It was originally a UK/ US partnership for the US military, but the British company bought the rights and are developing it.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Air_Vehicles_HAV_304/Airlander_10
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    kinabalu said:

    Except, of course, Brexit has only just started. But you knew that .... ;)

    Indeed so. Brexit the Event is over but Brexit the Process has yet to begin. Where it will go and how it will feel along the way nobody knows. Will we see a big drop in foreigners coming to live here? Will our economy prosper on the back of new trade deals with exotic, far flung places? Will the natives step up and do the jobs that the foreigners who are no longer coming used to do? Will we have more international clout as Global Britain than we did as EU Britain? And above all - will the day to day reality of being once again a fully independent Island Nation in charge of our own Everything satisfy the yearnings of the neglected people in neglected places who have placed their faith in Brexit and its affable frontman - the politician known to all as "Boris". We will see.
    That's all issues for the future and is not Brexit which is over.
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    If this is intended as gesture politics, it's not well thought-through. With the public on balance hostile to HS2, which does at least have some kind of theoretical justification, it's not going to take kindly to money being spaffed up a bridge to nowhere.

    "Bridge to nowhere"

    Nice to know what you think about about NI and Scotland.
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    eekeek Posts: 25,027
    rcs1000 said:

    A road bridge is a bloody stupid idea.

    A rail bridge on the other hand...

    You could run through services from Dublin to Brussels. A proper EU gravy train.

    Rail TUNNEL, surely! A northerly counterpart to the Channel Tunnel.
    You might want to study the seabed in that area. It is anything but flat...
    You wouldn't run it that way.

    Despite it being a lot further, it would make more sense - and may even be cheaper - if you're going to do a GB-Ireland physical link at all, to run it from Anglesea to Dublin and then upgrade the north Welsh routes. A Scotland-NI link is no use to the vast majority of people on either side of the Irish Sea.

    But really, there's little justification spending that amount of money on a link to an island where so few people live, where most of them are in a foreign country (unless that foreign country, which were the prime beneficiary were to stump up most of the cash), and when there's plenty of intra-GB infrastructure that it could be spent on.
    Spot on.

    Anglesea to Dublin, combined with massive infrastructure upgrades to North Wales rail, might make economic sense. It would link two major urban conurbations (Northwest England and Dublin), and could potentially take a lot of trucks off the road.

    But it still probably doesn't make economic sense.
    I seem to remember when this plan was last reported someone said that the cost of tunnelling is currently getting way cheaper as new advances are made.
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    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Going through all the remaining constituencies I make the likely final tallies as follows :

    41 FF, 37 SF, 36 FG

    How the hell does Ireland end up with a government from that result?
    Lucky bastards.
    Though Ireland is one of the places where confidence in democracy is high. STV does seem to enhance confidence in the government.

    https://twitter.com/electoralreform/status/1226856042589511682?s=19
    What do the numbskulls want in place of democracy?
    Well, you elected Boris........ :D
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    A road bridge is a bloody stupid idea.

    A rail bridge on the other hand...

    You could run through services from Dublin to Brussels. A proper EU gravy train.

    Rail TUNNEL, surely! A northerly counterpart to the Channel Tunnel.
    You might want to study the seabed in that area. It is anything but flat...
    You wouldn't run it that way.

    Despite it being a lot further, it would make more sense - and may even be cheaper - if you're going to do a GB-Ireland physical link at all, to run it from Anglesea to Dublin and then upgrade the north Welsh routes. A Scotland-NI link is no use to the vast majority of people on either side of the Irish Sea.

    But really, there's little justification spending that amount of money on a link to an island where so few people live, where most of them are in a foreign country (unless that foreign country, which were the prime beneficiary were to stump up most of the cash), and when there's plenty of intra-GB infrastructure that it could be spent on.
    If we were in Europe, it might be a possibility, but we have thrown that away. The Irish have been putting extra capacity into Rosslare so they can go direct to Europe and bypass that troublesome island to their east.
    The Rosslare effect is pretty minimal. When I checked for an article I wrote last year, there were more sailings connecting Holyhead alone per day with Ireland than there were between the continent and Ireland per week.

    But the whole thing is a non-starter because so few people live in Ireland as to kill any business case.
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    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A road bridge is a bloody stupid idea.

    A rail bridge on the other hand...

    You could run through services from Dublin to Brussels. A proper EU gravy train.

    Rail TUNNEL, surely! A northerly counterpart to the Channel Tunnel.
    You might want to study the seabed in that area. It is anything but flat...
    You wouldn't run it that way.

    Despite it being a lot further, it would make more sense - and may even be cheaper - if you're going to do a GB-Ireland physical link at all, to run it from Anglesea to Dublin and then upgrade the north Welsh routes. A Scotland-NI link is no use to the vast majority of people on either side of the Irish Sea.

    But really, there's little justification spending that amount of money on a link to an island where so few people live, where most of them are in a foreign country (unless that foreign country, which were the prime beneficiary were to stump up most of the cash), and when there's plenty of intra-GB infrastructure that it could be spent on.
    Spot on.

    Anglesea to Dublin, combined with massive infrastructure upgrades to North Wales rail, might make economic sense. It would link two major urban conurbations (Northwest England and Dublin), and could potentially take a lot of trucks off the road.

    But it still probably doesn't make economic sense.
    I seem to remember when this plan was last reported someone said that the cost of tunnelling is currently getting way cheaper as new advances are made.
    Its boring though.
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    If this is intended as gesture politics, it's not well thought-through. With the public on balance hostile to HS2, which does at least have some kind of theoretical justification, it's not going to take kindly to money being spaffed up a bridge to nowhere.

    Sky News had an opinion poll recently that actually had marginally more in favour of the scheme than opposed.

    So I guess on balance the public is supportive of HS2.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    If the incubation period can be longer than 3 weeks then we may well see more of this.
    I'm getting really worried now.
    Nearly 100 people died from coronavirus yesterday on the deadliest day of the outbreak so far.

    The death toll in mainland China rose by 97, taking the number of global fatalities to 910.

    Another 3,062 cases were reported in China yesterday - an increase of 15 per cent compared to Saturday which put an end to a series of daily declines.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7986067/Japan-says-60-virus-cases-cruise-ship.html
    The way cases are being reported has changed, now only symptomatic ones are counted, so be careful projecting on the figures.


    https://twitter.com/lwcalex/status/1226840055869632512?s=19
    That will increase the reported mortality rate without increasing any deaths.
    Suggestion in the thread this is a mistranslation.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,823

    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A road bridge is a bloody stupid idea.

    A rail bridge on the other hand...

    You could run through services from Dublin to Brussels. A proper EU gravy train.

    Rail TUNNEL, surely! A northerly counterpart to the Channel Tunnel.
    You might want to study the seabed in that area. It is anything but flat...
    You wouldn't run it that way.

    Despite it being a lot further, it would make more sense - and may even be cheaper - if you're going to do a GB-Ireland physical link at all, to run it from Anglesea to Dublin and then upgrade the north Welsh routes. A Scotland-NI link is no use to the vast majority of people on either side of the Irish Sea.

    But really, there's little justification spending that amount of money on a link to an island where so few people live, where most of them are in a foreign country (unless that foreign country, which were the prime beneficiary were to stump up most of the cash), and when there's plenty of intra-GB infrastructure that it could be spent on.
    Spot on.

    Anglesea to Dublin, combined with massive infrastructure upgrades to North Wales rail, might make economic sense. It would link two major urban conurbations (Northwest England and Dublin), and could potentially take a lot of trucks off the road.

    But it still probably doesn't make economic sense.
    I seem to remember when this plan was last reported someone said that the cost of tunnelling is currently getting way cheaper as new advances are made.
    Its boring though.
    A penetrating observation.
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352

    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A road bridge is a bloody stupid idea.

    A rail bridge on the other hand...

    You could run through services from Dublin to Brussels. A proper EU gravy train.

    Rail TUNNEL, surely! A northerly counterpart to the Channel Tunnel.
    You might want to study the seabed in that area. It is anything but flat...
    You wouldn't run it that way.

    Despite it being a lot further, it would make more sense - and may even be cheaper - if you're going to do a GB-Ireland physical link at all, to run it from Anglesea to Dublin and then upgrade the north Welsh routes. A Scotland-NI link is no use to the vast majority of people on either side of the Irish Sea.

    But really, there's little justification spending that amount of money on a link to an island where so few people live, where most of them are in a foreign country (unless that foreign country, which were the prime beneficiary were to stump up most of the cash), and when there's plenty of intra-GB infrastructure that it could be spent on.
    Spot on.

    Anglesea to Dublin, combined with massive infrastructure upgrades to North Wales rail, might make economic sense. It would link two major urban conurbations (Northwest England and Dublin), and could potentially take a lot of trucks off the road.

    But it still probably doesn't make economic sense.
    I seem to remember when this plan was last reported someone said that the cost of tunnelling is currently getting way cheaper as new advances are made.
    Its boring though.
    Stop digging.
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    Is it just me or are the number of reported cases in the US incredibly low for a country that has a very high population (including a very large Chinese community, who I am sure many visited the homeland for new year) and many international hub airports?

    You do wonder how many cases might be going undiagnosed because a lot of people don't go near the healthcare system unless they have to - and having the symptoms of a cold isn't a good enough reason.
    Well that would be fear. Especially as there is a large Chinese migrant community of which a proportion aren't there fully legally, so even less likely to want to go anywhere the authorities (especially with Orange Man Bad reputation).
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    eekeek Posts: 25,027

    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A road bridge is a bloody stupid idea.

    A rail bridge on the other hand...

    You could run through services from Dublin to Brussels. A proper EU gravy train.

    Rail TUNNEL, surely! A northerly counterpart to the Channel Tunnel.
    You might want to study the seabed in that area. It is anything but flat...
    You wouldn't run it that way.

    Despite it being a lot further, it would make more sense - and may even be cheaper - if you're going to do a GB-Ireland physical link at all, to run it from Anglesea to Dublin and then upgrade the north Welsh routes. A Scotland-NI link is no use to the vast majority of people on either side of the Irish Sea.

    But really, there's little justification spending that amount of money on a link to an island where so few people live, where most of them are in a foreign country (unless that foreign country, which were the prime beneficiary were to stump up most of the cash), and when there's plenty of intra-GB infrastructure that it could be spent on.
    Spot on.

    Anglesea to Dublin, combined with massive infrastructure upgrades to North Wales rail, might make economic sense. It would link two major urban conurbations (Northwest England and Dublin), and could potentially take a lot of trucks off the road.

    But it still probably doesn't make economic sense.
    I seem to remember when this plan was last reported someone said that the cost of tunnelling is currently getting way cheaper as new advances are made.
    Its boring though.
    True but it's slightly more practical than a bridge which has to be closed due to wind all the time.

    And I was hoping for some reports that weren't based on Elon Musk's Boring company...
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    ClippPClippP Posts: 1,701

    If this is intended as gesture politics, it's not well thought-through. With the public on balance hostile to HS2, which does at least have some kind of theoretical justification, it's not going to take kindly to money being spaffed up a bridge to nowhere.

    "Bridge to nowhere"

    Nice to know what you think about about NI and Scotland.
    It´s not going to Scotland. We, in England, are already connected to Scotland - and vice versa, of course. It is attempting to connect us to NI. Another short-sighted Conservative folly, which we cannot afford.
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,033
    Sandpit said:

    Mr. Borough, there's work being done on a modern type of airship (borrows from hovercraft type tech as well, I think). Can land on water, could be great for disaster rescue and relief.

    We recently invented the flying bum didn't we? I think airships are great.
    It was originally a UK/ US partnership for the US military, but the British company bought the rights and are developing it.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Air_Vehicles_HAV_304/Airlander_10
    This has no purpose now that we are in the age of the MALE RPAS.
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    Is it just me or are the number of reported cases in the US incredibly low for a country that has a very high population (including a very large Chinese community, who I am sure many visited the homeland for new year) and many international hub airports?

    You do wonder how many cases might be going undiagnosed because a lot of people don't go near the healthcare system unless they have to - and having the symptoms of a cold isn't a good enough reason.
    Well that would be fear. Especially as there is a large Chinese migrant community of which a proportion aren't there fully legally, so even less likely to want to go anywhere the authorities (especially with Orange Man Bad reputation).
    Illegals are less likely to have recently been overseas though surely? Those who'd have been most recently to China on holiday for the New Year will be those who could easily get back in.
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    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Going through all the remaining constituencies I make the likely final tallies as follows :

    41 FF, 37 SF, 36 FG

    How the hell does Ireland end up with a government from that result?
    Lucky bastards.
    Though Ireland is one of the places where confidence in democracy is high. STV does seem to enhance confidence in the government.

    https://twitter.com/electoralreform/status/1226856042589511682?s=19
    What do the numbskulls want in place of democracy?
    Well, you elected Boris........ :D
    I'd have stuck with democracy even if the numbskulls had elected Ooooh Jeremy Corbyn. What system do the idiots who want rid of it want instead?
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,563
    Sandpit said:

    Mr. Borough, there's work being done on a modern type of airship (borrows from hovercraft type tech as well, I think). Can land on water, could be great for disaster rescue and relief.

    We recently invented the flying bum didn't we? I think airships are great.
    It was originally a UK/ US partnership for the US military, but the British company bought the rights and are developing it.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Air_Vehicles_HAV_304/Airlander_10
    To be adopted widely, they will have to do something about the bumness. Or just own it and make it pink with painted on yellow polka dot knickers.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited February 2020
    Pulpstar said:


    ...
    Louth
    1 FG, 1 FF, 1 Other (FF could miss out)

    ...

    FF did miss out. The last three were FG, Lab, Indy (Lab doing better than FF on transfers from the Greens).
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,505
    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A road bridge is a bloody stupid idea.

    A rail bridge on the other hand...

    You could run through services from Dublin to Brussels. A proper EU gravy train.

    Rail TUNNEL, surely! A northerly counterpart to the Channel Tunnel.
    You might want to study the seabed in that area. It is anything but flat...
    You wouldn't run it that way.

    Despite it being a lot further, it would make more sense - and may even be cheaper - if you're going to do a GB-Ireland physical link at all, to run it from Anglesea to Dublin and then upgrade the north Welsh routes. A Scotland-NI link is no use to the vast majority of people on either side of the Irish Sea.

    But really, there's little justification spending that amount of money on a link to an island where so few people live, where most of them are in a foreign country (unless that foreign country, which were the prime beneficiary were to stump up most of the cash), and when there's plenty of intra-GB infrastructure that it could be spent on.
    Spot on.

    Anglesea to Dublin, combined with massive infrastructure upgrades to North Wales rail, might make economic sense. It would link two major urban conurbations (Northwest England and Dublin), and could potentially take a lot of trucks off the road.

    But it still probably doesn't make economic sense.
    I seem to remember when this plan was last reported someone said that the cost of tunnelling is currently getting way cheaper as new advances are made.
    It is. But it is still eye-wateringly expensive. Of an order of magnitude of around £100m per km.
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    EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976

    Is it just me or are the number of reported cases in the US incredibly low for a country that has a very high population (including a very large Chinese community, who I am sure many visited the homeland for new year) and many international hub airports?

    How much would patients get charged in America?

    American patients may find it easier to self-isolate than seek treatment.
    Self-isolation and seeking treatment aren't mutually exclusive.

    Under the circumstances, it would not be in the US government's interests to refuse treatment without payment. As it puts them back into society while they are still infectious.

    Which isn't to say they won't do that...
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited February 2020

    Is it just me or are the number of reported cases in the US incredibly low for a country that has a very high population (including a very large Chinese community, who I am sure many visited the homeland for new year) and many international hub airports?

    You do wonder how many cases might be going undiagnosed because a lot of people don't go near the healthcare system unless they have to - and having the symptoms of a cold isn't a good enough reason.
    Well that would be fear. Especially as there is a large Chinese migrant community of which a proportion aren't there fully legally, so even less likely to want to go anywhere the authorities (especially with Orange Man Bad reputation).
    Illegals are less likely to have recently been overseas though surely? Those who'd have been most recently to China on holiday for the New Year will be those who could easily get back in.
    I meant if somebody brings it back and it starts to spread.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,354

    If this is intended as gesture politics, it's not well thought-through. With the public on balance hostile to HS2, which does at least have some kind of theoretical justification, it's not going to take kindly to money being spaffed up a bridge to nowhere.

    Imagine if it gets half built. Johnson and Cummings would look a real pair of charlies then.
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    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Going through all the remaining constituencies I make the likely final tallies as follows :

    41 FF, 37 SF, 36 FG

    How the hell does Ireland end up with a government from that result?
    Lucky bastards.
    Though Ireland is one of the places where confidence in democracy is high. STV does seem to enhance confidence in the government.

    https://twitter.com/electoralreform/status/1226856042589511682?s=19
    What do the numbskulls want in place of democracy?
    Presumably, and I am not sure the linked article makes it clear, the question is satisfaction with your particular system of democracy.

    The issue is not democracy vs something else, but whether you are confident that democratic institutions in your country will make a fair fist of reflecting the wishes of the electorate, and behaving with a fair degree of competency and integrity.

    Personally, despite being a supporter of PR, I doubt it's that relevant to this sort of finding. I suspect high satisfaction ratings are more to do with countries being reasonably small and homogenous. A degree of consensus is simply easier to find. I think UK satisfaction ratings relative to Ireland or Norway are much less informative than those relative to France or Italy.
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    I'm glad to see that PB is rising to the challenge of #UKPunDay.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    Dele’s in front of the beak for racism

    https://twitter.com/telefootball/status/1226913104837173249?s=21
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002

    Pulpstar said:


    ...
    Louth
    1 FG, 1 FF, 1 Other (FF could miss out)

    ...

    FF did miss out. The last three were FG, Lab, Indy (Lab doing better than FF on transfers from the Greens).
    40 FF then
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,563
    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:

    Mr. Borough, there's work being done on a modern type of airship (borrows from hovercraft type tech as well, I think). Can land on water, could be great for disaster rescue and relief.

    We recently invented the flying bum didn't we? I think airships are great.
    It was originally a UK/ US partnership for the US military, but the British company bought the rights and are developing it.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Air_Vehicles_HAV_304/Airlander_10
    This has no purpose now that we are in the age of the MALE RPAS.
    I imagine you mean no military purpose. Don't see why it couldn't take tourists. I could see hordes of flying bums all over Lake Windermere.
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    Cookie said:

    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A road bridge is a bloody stupid idea.

    A rail bridge on the other hand...

    You could run through services from Dublin to Brussels. A proper EU gravy train.

    Rail TUNNEL, surely! A northerly counterpart to the Channel Tunnel.
    You might want to study the seabed in that area. It is anything but flat...
    You wouldn't run it that way.

    Despite it being a lot further, it would make more sense - and may even be cheaper - if you're going to do a GB-Ireland physical link at all, to run it from Anglesea to Dublin and then upgrade the north Welsh routes. A Scotland-NI link is no use to the vast majority of people on either side of the Irish Sea.

    But really, there's little justification spending that amount of money on a link to an island where so few people live, where most of them are in a foreign country (unless that foreign country, which were the prime beneficiary were to stump up most of the cash), and when there's plenty of intra-GB infrastructure that it could be spent on.
    Spot on.

    Anglesea to Dublin, combined with massive infrastructure upgrades to North Wales rail, might make economic sense. It would link two major urban conurbations (Northwest England and Dublin), and could potentially take a lot of trucks off the road.

    But it still probably doesn't make economic sense.
    I seem to remember when this plan was last reported someone said that the cost of tunnelling is currently getting way cheaper as new advances are made.
    It is. But it is still eye-wateringly expensive. Of an order of magnitude of around £100m per km.
    That doesn't sound expensive to me. If that was the price then a 21 mile tunnel could theoretically be done for £2.1 billion which sounds quite cheap compared to other suggestions.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    O’Brien & his disciples still think he said people of colour!

    https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1226856262261977088?s=21
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,354

    That's all issues for the future and is not Brexit which is over.

    I see you are not buying the distinction between The Event (over) and The Process (not over). I thought that was uncontroversial. Hope you're not doing one of your 'argument for argument's sake" numbers on me. You know how I feel about that.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,830

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Going through all the remaining constituencies I make the likely final tallies as follows :

    41 FF, 37 SF, 36 FG

    How the hell does Ireland end up with a government from that result?
    Lucky bastards.
    Though Ireland is one of the places where confidence in democracy is high. STV does seem to enhance confidence in the government.

    https://twitter.com/electoralreform/status/1226856042589511682?s=19
    What do the numbskulls want in place of democracy?
    The article only covers democracy. The countries most content with government are those with STV, Scandinavia, Ireland and New Zealand.

    Certainly I do not feel adequately represented by my FPTP government.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    HYUFD said:
    I'm not sure how much weight we should give to the second of those polls, as the fieldwork was all done last week.

    But it's looking like a reasonably comfortable win for Sanders in NH, albeit on a vote share half what he got in 2016.
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    kinabalu said:

    That's all issues for the future and is not Brexit which is over.

    I see you are not buying the distinction between The Event (over) and The Process (not over). I thought that was uncontroversial. Hope you're not doing one of your 'argument for argument's sake" numbers on me. You know how I feel about that.
    No I'm not buying the distinction. It is over.

    The things that people are claiming are not over, like negotiating trade deals, are things independent countries do all the time. They will never be over, unless we cease to be an independent country in which case Brexit has been cancelled.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A road bridge is a bloody stupid idea.

    A rail bridge on the other hand...

    You could run through services from Dublin to Brussels. A proper EU gravy train.

    Rail TUNNEL, surely! A northerly counterpart to the Channel Tunnel.
    You might want to study the seabed in that area. It is anything but flat...
    You wouldn't run it that way.

    Despite it being a lot further, it would make more sense - and may even be cheaper - if you're going to do a GB-Ireland physical link at all, to run it from Anglesea to Dublin and then upgrade the north Welsh routes. A Scotland-NI link is no use to the vast majority of people on either side of the Irish Sea.

    But really, there's little justification spending that amount of money on a link to an island where so few people live, where most of them are in a foreign country (unless that foreign country, which were the prime beneficiary were to stump up most of the cash), and when there's plenty of intra-GB infrastructure that it could be spent on.
    Spot on.

    Anglesea to Dublin, combined with massive infrastructure upgrades to North Wales rail, might make economic sense. It would link two major urban conurbations (Northwest England and Dublin), and could potentially take a lot of trucks off the road.

    But it still probably doesn't make economic sense.
    I seem to remember when this plan was last reported someone said that the cost of tunnelling is currently getting way cheaper as new advances are made.
    Doesn't it rather depends on what you're timeline through?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144

    I'm glad to see that PB is rising to the challenge of #UKPunDay.

    Everyday is Punday on PB.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,830
    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A road bridge is a bloody stupid idea.

    A rail bridge on the other hand...

    You could run through services from Dublin to Brussels. A proper EU gravy train.

    Rail TUNNEL, surely! A northerly counterpart to the Channel Tunnel.
    You might want to study the seabed in that area. It is anything but flat...
    You wouldn't run it that way.

    Despite it being a lot further, it would make more sense - and may even be cheaper - if you're going to do a GB-Ireland physical link at all, to run it from Anglesea to Dublin and then upgrade the north Welsh routes. A Scotland-NI link is no use to the vast majority of people on either side of the Irish Sea.

    But really, there's little justification spending that amount of money on a link to an island where so few people live, where most of them are in a foreign country (unless that foreign country, which were the prime beneficiary were to stump up most of the cash), and when there's plenty of intra-GB infrastructure that it could be spent on.
    Spot on.

    Anglesea to Dublin, combined with massive infrastructure upgrades to North Wales rail, might make economic sense. It would link two major urban conurbations (Northwest England and Dublin), and could potentially take a lot of trucks off the road.

    But it still probably doesn't make economic sense.
    I seem to remember when this plan was last reported someone said that the cost of tunnelling is currently getting way cheaper as new advances are made.
    Its boring though.
    A penetrating observation.
    If only we had a mole in Johnsons office!
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,823

    I'm glad to see that PB is rising to the challenge of #UKPunDay.

    Every day is PBPunDay.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,505

    Cookie said:

    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A road bridge is a bloody stupid idea.

    A rail bridge on the other hand...

    You could run through services from Dublin to Brussels. A proper EU gravy train.

    Rail TUNNEL, surely! A northerly counterpart to the Channel Tunnel.
    You might want to study the seabed in that area. It is anything but flat...
    You wouldn't run it that way.

    Despite it being a lot further, it would make more sense - and may even be cheaper - if you're going to do a GB-Ireland physical link at all, to run it from Anglesea to Dublin and then upgrade the north Welsh routes. A Scotland-NI link is no use to the vast majority of people on either side of the Irish Sea.

    But really, there's little justification spending that amount of money on a link to an island where so few people live, where most of them are in a foreign country (unless that foreign country, which were the prime beneficiary were to stump up most of the cash), and when there's plenty of intra-GB infrastructure that it could be spent on.
    Spot on.

    Anglesea to Dublin, combined with massive infrastructure upgrades to North Wales rail, might make economic sense. It would link two major urban conurbations (Northwest England and Dublin), and could potentially take a lot of trucks off the road.

    But it still probably doesn't make economic sense.
    I seem to remember when this plan was last reported someone said that the cost of tunnelling is currently getting way cheaper as new advances are made.
    It is. But it is still eye-wateringly expensive. Of an order of magnitude of around £100m per km.
    That doesn't sound expensive to me. If that was the price then a 21 mile tunnel could theoretically be done for £2.1 billion which sounds quite cheap compared to other suggestions.
    Per km, not per mile. Though as I'm talking about orders of magnitude it doesn't change your argument. Although I thought we had strayed into the 150km stretch between Hilyhead and Dublin.

    All sorts of vagaries to consider of course. Geology, bore width, portals, means of escape. Not to mention transport economics.
    Boring is fascinating.
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    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Going through all the remaining constituencies I make the likely final tallies as follows :

    41 FF, 37 SF, 36 FG

    How the hell does Ireland end up with a government from that result?
    Lucky bastards.
    Though Ireland is one of the places where confidence in democracy is high. STV does seem to enhance confidence in the government.

    https://twitter.com/electoralreform/status/1226856042589511682?s=19
    What do the numbskulls want in place of democracy?
    Is it FPTP??
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    Cookie said:

    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A road bridge is a bloody stupid idea.

    A rail bridge on the other hand...

    You could run through services from Dublin to Brussels. A proper EU gravy train.

    Rail TUNNEL, surely! A northerly counterpart to the Channel Tunnel.
    You might want to study the seabed in that area. It is anything but flat...
    You wouldn't run it that way.

    Despite it being a lot further, it would make more sense - and may even be cheaper - if you're going to do a GB-Ireland physical link at all, to run it from Anglesea to Dublin and then upgrade the north Welsh routes. A Scotland-NI link is no use to the vast majority of people on either side of the Irish Sea.

    But really, there's little justification spending that amount of money on a link to an island where so few people live, where most of them are in a foreign country (unless that foreign country, which were the prime beneficiary were to stump up most of the cash), and when there's plenty of intra-GB infrastructure that it could be spent on.
    Spot on.

    Anglesea to Dublin, combined with massive infrastructure upgrades to North Wales rail, might make economic sense. It would link two major urban conurbations (Northwest England and Dublin), and could potentially take a lot of trucks off the road.

    But it still probably doesn't make economic sense.
    I seem to remember when this plan was last reported someone said that the cost of tunnelling is currently getting way cheaper as new advances are made.
    It is. But it is still eye-wateringly expensive. Of an order of magnitude of around £100m per km.
    To come back to my earlier question, doesn't that rather depend on what is being tunneled through?
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    kinabalu said:

    If this is intended as gesture politics, it's not well thought-through. With the public on balance hostile to HS2, which does at least have some kind of theoretical justification, it's not going to take kindly to money being spaffed up a bridge to nowhere.

    Imagine if it gets half built. Johnson and Cummings would look a real pair of charlies then.
    Well they could always build it as far as the UK / NI border ... :D:D
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    Next week: Britain's airship industry to be revived in Sunderland.

    Yep, and the stupid fcukers will probably have hydrogen to keep them aloft, for that propah heritage feel.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,823
    Why are they not testing all the passengers on the cruise ship ?
    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/10/national/japan-test-all-passengers-diamond-princess-cruise-ship-coronavirus/

    It would provide a very precise number on how many asymptomatic infected are to be expected - something quite hard to do out in the wider world.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    Nigelb said:

    I'm glad to see that PB is rising to the challenge of #UKPunDay.

    Every day is PBPunDay.
    Every day is silent and grey
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    edited February 2020
    This is incredible... let off after brandishing a sword outside Buckingham Palace shouting ‘Allahu Alhbar’... oh wait he was blagging it all along, what a surprise

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1226889030211702784?s=21
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,167
    edited February 2020

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    WE are not in any of those and what you are talking about are states , not countries. Totally different situation.
    PS: Who do you think should decide if Scotland wants to be an independent country , people of Scotland or England. Why does England want to deny Scotland its democratic rights under International Law.

    Sorry I hit reply early so you only got half of my response.

    England doesn't want to deny Scotland its democratic rights under International Law. Firstly England isn't making a decision here, England rnational Law which is why Catalans can't appeal to the Hague etc to assert their rights under International Law.
    That is just bollox
    The right of a people to self-determination is a cardinal recognized as an international legal right after it was explicitly listed as a right in the UN Charter.
    I'm on your side. I want you to determine this and I want you to go independent. I'm of the view its the best outcome for Scotland as it will make Scottish MSPs responsible for Scottish decisions without the excuse of blaming England. Identical logic to Brexit.

    However international law doesn't dictate this. As far as I'm aware (IANAL) this right applies to colonised peoples and not constituent parts of a country. So if Falklands or Gibraltar wanted independence they could get it, but not Scotland or Catalonia.

    Otherwise the Catalans could take their case to the Hague and demand their rights.
    In realpolitik terms the UK government if it wanted and with a Commons majority could repeal or amend the NI Act 1998 to ensure a border poll could never be held (even with a nationalist majority at Stormont) and could abolish Holyrood and ban indyref2 and there is little the international community could do about it short of invasion of the UK. Of course that is unlikely to happen as it would in effect require a costly military presence in Scotland and the Irish border with the risk of terrorism again but a hard edged British nationalist Government could do it.

    Catalonia is a similar situation, the international community is not going to invade Spain to ensure Catalonia gets an independence referendum.

    The Falklands and Gibraltar are slightly different as the UK government would have to send a task force to defend them from Argentine or Spanish invasion but as Thatcher showed in 1981 that could be done with enough will. However even though most of the Hong Kong population wanted to stay a British territory we handed them back to China as realistically we could not defend it against Chinese invasion.

    International law and consent of the governed is a nice concept but ultimately realpolitik and the military strength to protect it or enforce control and the will to do so is important too
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    One think I don't think has been mentioned about this Union-strengthening proposal is whether it will actually do much strengthening, in Scotland at least. We already have very regular visitations of a specific NI demographic in the West of Scotland, I can't really see most folk (including mild Unionists) being overjoyed at the prospect of these 'cultural' events being further facilitated.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Going through all the remaining constituencies I make the likely final tallies as follows :

    41 FF, 37 SF, 36 FG

    How the hell does Ireland end up with a government from that result?
    Lucky bastards.
    Though Ireland is one of the places where confidence in democracy is high. STV does seem to enhance confidence in the government.

    https://twitter.com/electoralreform/status/1226856042589511682?s=19
    What do the numbskulls want in place of democracy?
    Well, you elected Boris........ :D
    I'd have stuck with democracy even if the numbskulls had elected Ooooh Jeremy Corbyn. What system do the idiots who want rid of it want instead?
    Calm down, dear, it is entirely possible to be thoroughly fed up with something without wanting to change it for something else. Also note that it is an iron law that a PB poster's intelligence varies inversely with his propensity to call other people numbskulls, morons, idiots and so on.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,830
    Nigelb said:

    Why are they not testing all the passengers on the cruise ship ?
    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/10/national/japan-test-all-passengers-diamond-princess-cruise-ship-coronavirus/

    It would provide a very precise number on how many asymptomatic infected are to be expected - something quite hard to do out in the wider world.

    The Super Spreader story is quite interesting too. It doesn't sound as if many were symptomatic.

    https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/10/super-spreader-brought-coronavirus-from-singapore-to-sussex-via-france?CMP=share_btn_tw&__twitter_impression=true
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,205
    isam said:

    This is incredible... let off after brandishing a sword outside Buckingham Palace shouting ‘Allahu Alhbar’... oh wait he was blagging it all along, what a surprise

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1226889030211702784?s=21

    That first case is not a good advert for trial by jury.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    One think I don't think has been mentioned about this Union-strengthening proposal is whether it will actually do much strengthening, in Scotland at least. We already have very regular visitations of a specific NI demographic in the West of Scotland, I can't really see most folk (including mild Unionists) being overjoyed at the prospect of these 'cultural' events being further facilitated.

    "No surrender to the IRA" themed stag parties, that sort of thing?
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    tlg86 said:

    isam said:

    This is incredible... let off after brandishing a sword outside Buckingham Palace shouting ‘Allahu Alhbar’... oh wait he was blagging it all along, what a surprise

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1226889030211702784?s=21

    That first case is not a good advert for trial by jury.
    Must have been the same people as on the jury for the first trial of Fiona Onasanya...
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,369
    Foxy said:



    The article only covers democracy. The countries most content with government are those with STV, Scandinavia, Ireland and New Zealand.

    Certainly I do not feel adequately represented by my FPTP government.

    Scandinavia doesn't have STV - it has list system PR based on d'Hondt. The main difference in philosophy is that the Scandi systems give a virtually precise reflection in Parliament of the votes cast (albeit with a cutoff to avoid trivial parties - 2 to 4%), while STV introduces a deliberate bias to transfer-friendly candidates. The argument for the former is that it's more democratic; for the latter that it promotes moderation/centrism. The former does work well in Scandinavia IMO, but it helps that most voters tend to opt for cooperative parties who are willing to work well afterwards (so you don't need to rig the system to make that happen).
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Sandpit said:

    Mr. Borough, there's work being done on a modern type of airship (borrows from hovercraft type tech as well, I think). Can land on water, could be great for disaster rescue and relief.

    We recently invented the flying bum didn't we? I think airships are great.
    It was originally a UK/ US partnership for the US military, but the British company bought the rights and are developing it.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Air_Vehicles_HAV_304/Airlander_10
    To be adopted widely, they will have to do something about the bumness. Or just own it and make it pink with painted on yellow polka dot knickers.
    Holy God, I have only just looked at it. Must be an Austin Powers spoof, surely?
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,620
    edited February 2020
    Pulpstar said:

    I’m working on the assumption that everyone is going to get Coronavirus at some point. I just hope I get it mild.

    Mucking out the horses will be "fun" if it's universal.
    Bloke on the radio who sounds sensible says that pandemic is the most likely outcome, if so 65%+ of the UK population get it, there being no likely immunity, of which perhaps 1% would not survive. Which would be over 400,000 deaths. UK deaths usually are a little over 600,000 per year.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,830

    Foxy said:



    The article only covers democracy. The countries most content with government are those with STV, Scandinavia, Ireland and New Zealand.

    Certainly I do not feel adequately represented by my FPTP government.

    Scandinavia doesn't have STV - it has list system PR based on d'Hondt. The main difference in philosophy is that the Scandi systems give a virtually precise reflection in Parliament of the votes cast (albeit with a cutoff to avoid trivial parties - 2 to 4%), while STV introduces a deliberate bias to transfer-friendly candidates. The argument for the former is that it's more democratic; for the latter that it promotes moderation/centrism. The former does work well in Scandinavia IMO, but it helps that most voters tend to opt for cooperative parties who are willing to work well afterwards (so you don't need to rig the system to make that happen).
    My mistake, personally I would quite like almost any PR system over what we currently have.
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    isam said:

    This is incredible... let off after brandishing a sword outside Buckingham Palace shouting ‘Allahu Alhbar’... oh wait he was blagging it all along, what a surprise

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1226889030211702784?s=21

    Who seriously thinks this guy should not be locked up for a life sentence?
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    Cut Medicare you say? Dems you have your target.

    https://twitter.com/RBReich/status/1226875243895062529
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    Nigelb said:

    Why are they not testing all the passengers on the cruise ship ?
    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/10/national/japan-test-all-passengers-diamond-princess-cruise-ship-coronavirus/

    It would provide a very precise number on how many asymptomatic infected are to be expected - something quite hard to do out in the wider world.

    The priority is finding and isolating the infected, not using the passengers as Guinea pigs. If you test before symptoms show it may come back negative because the virus has yet to sufficiently replicate.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    I have just voted in the Jewish Labour Movement nomination ballot forLeader /Deputy Leader. For Leader I went 1. Thornberry 2.Starmer 3.Nandy 4. RLB. I did so in hope of getting Thornberry on the Ballot - but unlikely to succeed.
    For Deputy I went 1.Murray 2.Allin-Khan 3.Rayner.4 . Butler 5. Burgon.
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    isam said:

    This is incredible... let off after brandishing a sword outside Buckingham Palace shouting ‘Allahu Alhbar’... oh wait he was blagging it all along, what a surprise

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1226889030211702784?s=21

    Who seriously thinks this guy should not be locked up for a life sentence?
    Jeremy and Co?....I presume they will object to this.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7987873/Emergency-anti-terror-laws-presented-MPs-TOMORROW.html
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,563

    One think I don't think has been mentioned about this Union-strengthening proposal is whether it will actually do much strengthening, in Scotland at least. We already have very regular visitations of a specific NI demographic in the West of Scotland, I can't really see most folk (including mild Unionists) being overjoyed at the prospect of these 'cultural' events being further facilitated.

    Well actually it could mean those people just head to Belfast for the real deal. So it could be win win.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,369
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:



    The article only covers democracy. The countries most content with government are those with STV, Scandinavia, Ireland and New Zealand.

    Certainly I do not feel adequately represented by my FPTP government.

    Scandinavia doesn't have STV - it has list system PR based on d'Hondt. The main difference in philosophy is that the Scandi systems give a virtually precise reflection in Parliament of the votes cast (albeit with a cutoff to avoid trivial parties - 2 to 4%), while STV introduces a deliberate bias to transfer-friendly candidates. The argument for the former is that it's more democratic; for the latter that it promotes moderation/centrism. The former does work well in Scandinavia IMO, but it helps that most voters tend to opt for cooperative parties who are willing to work well afterwards (so you don't need to rig the system to make that happen).
    My mistake, personally I would quite like almost any PR system over what we currently have.
    Oh, I agree. An elegant feature of the Scandi system is that you can select which candidates you like without it costing the party votes. So you could vote Labour if you have no preference between different Labour candidates, or you could vote (say) Starmer or Long-Bailey. In all three cases it would count as a Labour vote, which is what decides how many seats the party gets, but the personal votes will decide who gets those seats, so a popular candidate far down the list may grab a seat which the party had really intended to go to someone else.

    Parties vary in whether the votes cast for the party with no personal preference are allocated to the top of the list - smaller parties simply ignore them, but the large parties tend to want to make sure their leaders actually get in.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,396

    isam said:

    This is incredible... let off after brandishing a sword outside Buckingham Palace shouting ‘Allahu Alhbar’... oh wait he was blagging it all along, what a surprise

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1226889030211702784?s=21

    Who seriously thinks this guy should not be locked up for a life sentence?
    And what about the Jury that unanimously acquitted him?
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,563
    IshmaelZ said:

    Sandpit said:

    Mr. Borough, there's work being done on a modern type of airship (borrows from hovercraft type tech as well, I think). Can land on water, could be great for disaster rescue and relief.

    We recently invented the flying bum didn't we? I think airships are great.
    It was originally a UK/ US partnership for the US military, but the British company bought the rights and are developing it.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Air_Vehicles_HAV_304/Airlander_10
    To be adopted widely, they will have to do something about the bumness. Or just own it and make it pink with painted on yellow polka dot knickers.
    Holy God, I have only just looked at it. Must be an Austin Powers spoof, surely?
    The bumness is actually key to its buoyancy. I kid you not. For me it's the way the passenger cabin is wedged into the crevice that is just very special. :lol:
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    IshmaelZ said:

    One think I don't think has been mentioned about this Union-strengthening proposal is whether it will actually do much strengthening, in Scotland at least. We already have very regular visitations of a specific NI demographic in the West of Scotland, I can't really see most folk (including mild Unionists) being overjoyed at the prospect of these 'cultural' events being further facilitated.

    "No surrender to the IRA" themed stag parties, that sort of thing?
    Stags, weddings, marches, football, protests against the EssEnnPee, general bevvying with like minded folk; it's a way of life. There were even a few over for the Brexit celebration in George Square a couple of Fridays ago.
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    DavidL said:

    isam said:

    This is incredible... let off after brandishing a sword outside Buckingham Palace shouting ‘Allahu Alhbar’... oh wait he was blagging it all along, what a surprise

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1226889030211702784?s=21

    Who seriously thinks this guy should not be locked up for a life sentence?
    And what about the Jury that unanimously acquitted him?
    I think they need to be banned from voting for starters!!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJDCHnl2yQQ
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941

    isam said:

    This is incredible... let off after brandishing a sword outside Buckingham Palace shouting ‘Allahu Alhbar’... oh wait he was blagging it all along, what a surprise

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1226889030211702784?s=21

    Who seriously thinks this guy should not be locked up for a life sentence?
    Jeremy and Co?....I presume they will object to this.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7987873/Emergency-anti-terror-laws-presented-MPs-TOMORROW.html
    Do you support the early release from prison of convicted terrorists, Mr Corbyn?
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,563
    Sandpit said:

    isam said:

    This is incredible... let off after brandishing a sword outside Buckingham Palace shouting ‘Allahu Alhbar’... oh wait he was blagging it all along, what a surprise

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1226889030211702784?s=21

    Who seriously thinks this guy should not be locked up for a life sentence?
    Jeremy and Co?....I presume they will object to this.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7987873/Emergency-anti-terror-laws-presented-MPs-TOMORROW.html
    Do you support the early release from prison of convicted terrorists, Mr Corbyn?
    Or more pertinently, Sir Kier.
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    Sandpit said:

    isam said:

    This is incredible... let off after brandishing a sword outside Buckingham Palace shouting ‘Allahu Alhbar’... oh wait he was blagging it all along, what a surprise

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1226889030211702784?s=21

    Who seriously thinks this guy should not be locked up for a life sentence?
    Jeremy and Co?....I presume they will object to this.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7987873/Emergency-anti-terror-laws-presented-MPs-TOMORROW.html
    Do you support the early release from prison of convicted terrorists, Mr Corbyn?
    Tricky....

    Jeremy Corbyn intervenes to secure bail for fraudster accused of conning elderly in scam to raise funds for jihadists in Syria

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/12044641/Jeremy-Corbyn-writes-letter-pleading-for-fraudster-Mohamed-Dahir-to-be-freed-for-Christmas.html
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    eekeek Posts: 25,027

    Sandpit said:

    isam said:

    This is incredible... let off after brandishing a sword outside Buckingham Palace shouting ‘Allahu Alhbar’... oh wait he was blagging it all along, what a surprise

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1226889030211702784?s=21

    Who seriously thinks this guy should not be locked up for a life sentence?
    Jeremy and Co?....I presume they will object to this.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7987873/Emergency-anti-terror-laws-presented-MPs-TOMORROW.html
    Do you support the early release from prison of convicted terrorists, Mr Corbyn?
    Or more pertinently, Sir Kier.
    It's too obvious a trap - while rushed laws always cause problems the various terrorist incidents this year make this unavoidably necessary but more further legalisation with proper due diligence is required in the longer term.
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    One think I don't think has been mentioned about this Union-strengthening proposal is whether it will actually do much strengthening, in Scotland at least. We already have very regular visitations of a specific NI demographic in the West of Scotland, I can't really see most folk (including mild Unionists) being overjoyed at the prospect of these 'cultural' events being further facilitated.

    Well actually it could mean those people just head to Belfast for the real deal. So it could be win win.
    The Famous Glasgow Rangers is part of the deal, though if they were to re-locate also..

    I think there have been more Orange marches in the West of Scotland than in NI for several years now, they seem to have their own fan base.
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    Here's one bridge in London that Boris cancelled soon after becoming Mayor:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thames_Gateway_Bridge
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    isam said:

    This is incredible... let off after brandishing a sword outside Buckingham Palace shouting ‘Allahu Alhbar’... oh wait he was blagging it all along, what a surprise

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1226889030211702784?s=21

    Who seriously thinks this guy should not be locked up for a life sentence?
    It gets better. See the BBC's report which includes his martyrdom list.
    He'd collected knives for an attack, looked into firearms training and even made a list of what he was going to do when he got to heaven.

    Top of the list wasn't meeting his maker, though. It was a tour of the palace he assumed he would be given.

    Second on the unmarried chicken shop worker's list was to meet and consummate his relationship with 72 wives.

    Only later - seventh on the list - would he find time to meet God; and his 10th task of life in the hereafter was "choose quests to embark on".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51449757

    But this points to the danger of the police tactic of killing these terrorists. It encourages the next lot to believe they too will be promptly despatched to paradise.
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    DavidL said:

    isam said:

    This is incredible... let off after brandishing a sword outside Buckingham Palace shouting ‘Allahu Alhbar’... oh wait he was blagging it all along, what a surprise

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1226889030211702784?s=21

    Who seriously thinks this guy should not be locked up for a life sentence?
    And what about the Jury that unanimously acquitted him?
    Did you miss the line that he's just been convicted?
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    I thought this kind of thing only happened in WW2?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51443195
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    isam said:

    This is incredible... let off after brandishing a sword outside Buckingham Palace shouting ‘Allahu Alhbar’... oh wait he was blagging it all along, what a surprise

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1226889030211702784?s=21

    Who seriously thinks this guy should not be locked up for a life sentence?
    It gets better. See the BBC's report which includes his martyrdom list.
    He'd collected knives for an attack, looked into firearms training and even made a list of what he was going to do when he got to heaven.

    Top of the list wasn't meeting his maker, though. It was a tour of the palace he assumed he would be given.

    Second on the unmarried chicken shop worker's list was to meet and consummate his relationship with 72 wives.

    Only later - seventh on the list - would he find time to meet God; and his 10th task of life in the hereafter was "choose quests to embark on".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51449757

    But this points to the danger of the police tactic of killing these terrorists. It encourages the next lot to believe they too will be promptly despatched to paradise.
    True. But the current lot have a lower recidivism rate.
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    isam said:

    This is incredible... let off after brandishing a sword outside Buckingham Palace shouting ‘Allahu Alhbar’... oh wait he was blagging it all along, what a surprise

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1226889030211702784?s=21

    Who seriously thinks this guy should not be locked up for a life sentence?
    Careful - TSE will be along in a minute to accuse you of Islamophobia!
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,830
    DavidL said:

    isam said:

    This is incredible... let off after brandishing a sword outside Buckingham Palace shouting ‘Allahu Alhbar’... oh wait he was blagging it all along, what a surprise

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1226889030211702784?s=21

    Who seriously thinks this guy should not be locked up for a life sentence?
    And what about the Jury that unanimously acquitted him?
    Presumably lock up the prosecutor, defence barrister and judge for being a bit shit too.

    Isn't the retrospectoscope a wonderful thing?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048

    isam said:

    This is incredible... let off after brandishing a sword outside Buckingham Palace shouting ‘Allahu Alhbar’... oh wait he was blagging it all along, what a surprise

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1226889030211702784?s=21

    Who seriously thinks this guy should not be locked up for a life sentence?
    It gets better. See the BBC's report which includes his martyrdom list.
    He'd collected knives for an attack, looked into firearms training and even made a list of what he was going to do when he got to heaven.

    Top of the list wasn't meeting his maker, though. It was a tour of the palace he assumed he would be given.

    Second on the unmarried chicken shop worker's list was to meet and consummate his relationship with 72 wives.

    Only later - seventh on the list - would he find time to meet God; and his 10th task of life in the hereafter was "choose quests to embark on".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51449757

    But this points to the danger of the police tactic of killing these terrorists. It encourages the next lot to believe they too will be promptly despatched to paradise.
    God bless the undercover officers getting info on these maniacs.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited February 2020

    isam said:

    This is incredible... let off after brandishing a sword outside Buckingham Palace shouting ‘Allahu Alhbar’... oh wait he was blagging it all along, what a surprise

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1226889030211702784?s=21

    Who seriously thinks this guy should not be locked up for a life sentence?
    Careful - TSE will be along in a minute to accuse you of Islamophobia!
    It would be Islamophobic to say Muslims are terrorists.

    It is not Islamophobic to think convicted terrorists should be locked up for life.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,396

    DavidL said:

    isam said:

    This is incredible... let off after brandishing a sword outside Buckingham Palace shouting ‘Allahu Alhbar’... oh wait he was blagging it all along, what a surprise

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1226889030211702784?s=21

    Who seriously thinks this guy should not be locked up for a life sentence?
    And what about the Jury that unanimously acquitted him?
    Did you miss the line that he's just been convicted?
    No, but he was acquitted the first time after waving a sword outside Buckingham Palace and injuring a police officer seeking to disarm him. I mean, what were they on?
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    IshmaelZ said:

    Sandpit said:

    Mr. Borough, there's work being done on a modern type of airship (borrows from hovercraft type tech as well, I think). Can land on water, could be great for disaster rescue and relief.

    We recently invented the flying bum didn't we? I think airships are great.
    It was originally a UK/ US partnership for the US military, but the British company bought the rights and are developing it.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Air_Vehicles_HAV_304/Airlander_10
    To be adopted widely, they will have to do something about the bumness. Or just own it and make it pink with painted on yellow polka dot knickers.
    Holy God, I have only just looked at it. Must be an Austin Powers spoof, surely?
    Oh, behave! :lol:
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