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  • Former Commons Speaker John Bercow has said there is a "conspiracy" to keep him out of the House of Lords.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51434470
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Second
  • Former Commons Speaker John Bercow has said there is a "conspiracy" to keep him out of the House of Lords.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51434470

    I see it has escalated from bullying this morning to a conspiracy.
  • Former Commons Speaker John Bercow has said there is a "conspiracy" to keep him out of the House of Lords.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51434470

    I see it has escalated from bullying this morning to a conspiracy.
    When does Carole claim it is something to do with the Russians?
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    Gratifying that going to university makes you slightly less enamoured with the prospect of a species-level extinction event. And they say degrees aren't value for money.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Partisan ? What’s wrong with a party ?

    Apologies to Spinal Tap.
  • Or more simply: Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer.

    I'd have answered Meteor strike too. Because I hate Trump, and for shits&giggles.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,077

    Former Commons Speaker John Bercow has said there is a "conspiracy" to keep him out of the House of Lords.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51434470

    I see it has escalated from bullying this morning to a conspiracy.
    I don't think people are bullying him out of the House of Lords - it's more his bullying is the reason why he shouldn't ever be a member of it.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,302
    edited February 2020

    Former Commons Speaker John Bercow has said there is a "conspiracy" to keep him out of the House of Lords.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51434470

    I see it has escalated from bullying this morning to a conspiracy.
    When does Carole claim it is something to do with the Russians?
    Wait until she finds out John Bercow used to be a member of the in favour of repatriation of immigrants/Brexit loving Monday Club.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753
    eek said:

    Former Commons Speaker John Bercow has said there is a "conspiracy" to keep him out of the House of Lords.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51434470

    I see it has escalated from bullying this morning to a conspiracy.
    I don't think people are bullying him out of the House of Lords - it's more his bullying is the reason why he shouldn't ever be a member of it.
    Which poster was it who foretold this and related a story at his work which ended up with the person everyone had come together to accuse of bullying in turn claiming that such a charge itself was bullying.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,428
    This whole Bercow thing is so boring.
  • Jeez. That poll!

    If they are so desperate to get rid of Trump why on earth is Sanders winning the NH primary by looks of polling?

  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    TOPPING said:

    eek said:

    Former Commons Speaker John Bercow has said there is a "conspiracy" to keep him out of the House of Lords.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51434470

    I see it has escalated from bullying this morning to a conspiracy.
    I don't think people are bullying him out of the House of Lords - it's more his bullying is the reason why he shouldn't ever be a member of it.
    Which poster was it who foretold this and related a story at his work which ended up with the person everyone had come together to accuse of bullying in turn claiming that such a charge itself was bullying.
    I did.
  • This whole Bercow thing is so boring.

    Not to those alleging bullying
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    eek said:

    Former Commons Speaker John Bercow has said there is a "conspiracy" to keep him out of the House of Lords.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51434470

    I see it has escalated from bullying this morning to a conspiracy.
    I don't think people are bullying him out of the House of Lords - it's more his bullying is the reason why he shouldn't ever be a member of it.
    And yet, he was still a better speaker than Michael Martin.
  • A 'conspiracy' has to be secret, surely?
  • I had to read the Daily Beast article to know what QAnon was. Trump has so many mad ideas I can't keep up.

    "QAnon believers are convinced that Trump is secretly at war with pedophile-cannibals in the Democratic Party, a theory so unhinged and potent that the FBI considers it a potential source of domestic terrorism."
  • England are about to lose this ODI.
  • I had to read the Daily Beast article to know what QAnon was. Trump has so many mad ideas I can't keep up.

    "QAnon believers are convinced that Trump is secretly at war with pedophile-cannibals in the Democratic Party, a theory so unhinged and potent that the FBI considers it a potential source of domestic terrorism."

    They truly are special people.

    QAnon conspiracy theorists are telling people to drink bleach as a cure against the deadly Wuhan coronavirus

    https://www.businessinsider.com/china-coronavirus-wuhan-cure-qanon-mms-bleach-conspiracy-2020-1?r=US&IR=T
  • ydoethur said:

    eek said:

    Former Commons Speaker John Bercow has said there is a "conspiracy" to keep him out of the House of Lords.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51434470

    I see it has escalated from bullying this morning to a conspiracy.
    I don't think people are bullying him out of the House of Lords - it's more his bullying is the reason why he shouldn't ever be a member of it.
    And yet, he was still a better speaker than Michael Martin.
    A very low bar
  • England are about to lose this ODI.

    I did worry when Michael Holding was banging on about how deep England bat....
  • eekeek Posts: 28,077
    ydoethur said:

    eek said:

    Former Commons Speaker John Bercow has said there is a "conspiracy" to keep him out of the House of Lords.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51434470

    I see it has escalated from bullying this morning to a conspiracy.
    I don't think people are bullying him out of the House of Lords - it's more his bullying is the reason why he shouldn't ever be a member of it.
    And yet, he was still a better speaker than Michael Martin.
    We get the politicians we deserve and with 24 hour news and social media you need to be foolish or insane to become an MP.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    England are about to lose this ODI.

    And the series. Don’t forget the series.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,661

    ydoethur said:

    eek said:

    Former Commons Speaker John Bercow has said there is a "conspiracy" to keep him out of the House of Lords.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51434470

    I see it has escalated from bullying this morning to a conspiracy.
    I don't think people are bullying him out of the House of Lords - it's more his bullying is the reason why he shouldn't ever be a member of it.
    And yet, he was still a better speaker than Michael Martin.
    A very low bar
    Just what he needs to quaff in the HoC.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,460
    edited February 2020

    I had to read the Daily Beast article to know what QAnon was. Trump has so many mad ideas I can't keep up.

    "QAnon believers are convinced that Trump is secretly at war with pedophile-cannibals in the Democratic Party, a theory so unhinged and potent that the FBI considers it a potential source of domestic terrorism."

    They truly are special people.

    QAnon conspiracy theorists are telling people to drink bleach as a cure against the deadly Wuhan coronavirus

    https://www.businessinsider.com/china-coronavirus-wuhan-cure-qanon-mms-bleach-conspiracy-2020-1?r=US&IR=T
    At least they are giving the advice for free....apparently there is a big scam that has been going around the US for a while, where people buy a secret cure for (insert disease) and basically the advice is you must buy "Miracle Mineral Solution" (which is basically bleach that you self mix).

    https://www.sciencealert.com/the-fda-is-literally-warning-people-not-to-drink-bleach-now
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,573
    On topic, I presume we all saw the UK polling this morning which showed that leavers were significantly more accepting of dissent than remainers.

    Particularly notable that remainers got more intolerant with higher levels of education, whilst leavers with degrees were the most tolerant demographic found.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    TOPPING said:

    eek said:

    Former Commons Speaker John Bercow has said there is a "conspiracy" to keep him out of the House of Lords.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51434470

    I see it has escalated from bullying this morning to a conspiracy.
    I don't think people are bullying him out of the House of Lords - it's more his bullying is the reason why he shouldn't ever be a member of it.
    Which poster was it who foretold this and related a story at his work which ended up with the person everyone had come together to accuse of bullying in turn claiming that such a charge itself was bullying.
    In all seriousness, it's not hard to imagine a pretty reasonable-looking case that Bercow has been bullied, based solely on height-related gags as reported by the media.

    Replace "height" with "race" or even "weight", and you're on to a definite winner.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,077
    Yet Sinn Fein won't have most seats because they didn't expect to get anything like those numbers and only stood 42 candidates.
  • Jeez I thought this MMS stuff was really really fringe thing...

    US pastor runs network giving 50,000 Ugandans bleach-based 'miracle cure'

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/18/bleach-miracle-cure-uganda-us-pastor-robert-baldwin-sam-little
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,573
    Endillion said:

    TOPPING said:

    eek said:

    Former Commons Speaker John Bercow has said there is a "conspiracy" to keep him out of the House of Lords.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51434470

    I see it has escalated from bullying this morning to a conspiracy.
    I don't think people are bullying him out of the House of Lords - it's more his bullying is the reason why he shouldn't ever be a member of it.
    Which poster was it who foretold this and related a story at his work which ended up with the person everyone had come together to accuse of bullying in turn claiming that such a charge itself was bullying.
    In all seriousness, it's not hard to imagine a pretty reasonable-looking case that Bercow has been bullied, based solely on height-related gags as reported by the media.

    Replace "height" with "race" or even "weight", and you're on to a definite winner.
    URIAH HEAP WAS INNOCENT!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,460
    edited February 2020
    What's Ricky Tomlinson / Mike Bassett doing at the Irish GE count?

    https://twitter.com/Liam_Lee92/status/1226526827633631233?s=20
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,362
    Endillion said:

    TOPPING said:

    eek said:

    Former Commons Speaker John Bercow has said there is a "conspiracy" to keep him out of the House of Lords.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51434470

    I see it has escalated from bullying this morning to a conspiracy.
    I don't think people are bullying him out of the House of Lords - it's more his bullying is the reason why he shouldn't ever be a member of it.
    Which poster was it who foretold this and related a story at his work which ended up with the person everyone had come together to accuse of bullying in turn claiming that such a charge itself was bullying.
    In all seriousness, it's not hard to imagine a pretty reasonable-looking case that Bercow has been bullied, based solely on height-related gags as reported by the media.

    Replace "height" with "race" or even "weight", and you're on to a definite winner.
    But on the other side of the ledger, you'd then also have to acknowledge the pretty-reasonable looking case that Bercow has been a complete and utter ****.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    What's Ricky Tomlinson / Mike Bassett doing at the Irish GE count?

    https://twitter.com/Liam_Lee92/status/1226526827633631233?s=20

    Playing darts by the look of it!
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Endillion said:

    TOPPING said:

    eek said:

    Former Commons Speaker John Bercow has said there is a "conspiracy" to keep him out of the House of Lords.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51434470

    I see it has escalated from bullying this morning to a conspiracy.
    I don't think people are bullying him out of the House of Lords - it's more his bullying is the reason why he shouldn't ever be a member of it.
    Which poster was it who foretold this and related a story at his work which ended up with the person everyone had come together to accuse of bullying in turn claiming that such a charge itself was bullying.
    In all seriousness, it's not hard to imagine a pretty reasonable-looking case that Bercow has been bullied, based solely on height-related gags as reported by the media.

    Replace "height" with "race" or even "weight", and you're on to a definite winner.
    BBC This Werk ended the show several times with footage of Bercow accompanied by ‘Big John’. Surprised they got away with it
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,460
    edited February 2020
    Is there a particular reason why SF only stood in some of the seats? I know this is historic high vote share for them, but in the UK all the established parties attempt to stand in every / nearly every seat (weren't even the Brexit going to stand in basically every one, before they stood down to let the Tories through the middle).
  • twitter.com/harrymcgee/status/1226518265234628609

    How do you get a stable government out of that?
  • twitter.com/harrymcgee/status/1226518265234628609

    How do you get a stable government out of that?
    You don't.
  • Biden: "“I’ve lost a lot in my life,” he said, referencing not just Beau but the wife and daughter who died in a car crash shortly after that first Senate win. “I’ll be damned if I’m going to stand by and lose my country too.”


    https://www.thedailybeast.com/joe-biden-is-running-out-of-gas?ref=home
  • twitter.com/harrymcgee/status/1226518265234628609

    How do you get a stable government out of that?
    You don't.
    Same time next week for another go around?
  • Maybe Tuesday.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    Biden: "“I’ve lost a lot in my life,” he said, referencing not just Beau but the wife and daughter who died in a car crash shortly after that first Senate win. “I’ll be damned if I’m going to stand by and lose my country too.”


    https://www.thedailybeast.com/joe-biden-is-running-out-of-gas?ref=home

    If Obama had had a younger running mate in 2012, or if Biden had retired and forced him to pick one, the odds are he wouldn’t have done.

    The simple fact that Biden was so obviously past it forced the Dems to turn to Hilary Clinton - and the rest was catastrophe.
  • Jesus Christ...England really are going to lose this.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    Jesus Christ...England really are going to lose this.

    I thought it was the Saffers that were meant to be world champion chokers?
  • speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    I'm not surprised about Sinn Fein.

    In the past 2 G.E. in Ireland they surged only to crash at the very last minute, this time though since Fine Gael and Fianna Fail were in a loose coalition together, Sinn Fein had the opposition to themselves.

    It's simple, parties who supported the government fell and the opposition rose.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    Good old Labour. Just when you think they’re gently nudging back to sanity they take careful aim and shoot themselves in both feet.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    Is there a particular reason why SF only stood in some of the seats? I know this is historic high vote share for them, but in the UK all the established parties attempt to stand in every / nearly every seat (weren't even the Brexit going to stand in basically every one, before they stood down to let the Tories through the middle).

    According to t’wiki it’s to prevent a party’s first preference votes from being too widely distributed among a large slate, causing none of the candidates to get enough high preferences to avoid elimination.
  • ydoethur said:

    Jesus Christ...England really are going to lose this.

    I thought it was the Saffers that were meant to be world champion chokers?
    We don't choke when it matters.

    *Cough*Super Over in a world cup final*Cough*
  • Jesus Christ...England really are going to lose this.

    No but very close
  • ydoethur said:

    Good old Labour. Just when you think they’re gently nudging back to sanity they take careful aim and shoot themselves in both feet.
    If they block Starmer then its over isn't it? The party will split.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    edited February 2020

    ydoethur said:

    Jesus Christ...England really are going to lose this.

    I thought it was the Saffers that were meant to be world champion chokers?
    We don't choke when it matters.

    *Cough*Super Over in a world cup final*Cough*
    In the absence of Stokes, the only batsman to emerge from this series with any credit is Joe Denly.
  • England win - just
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    England win - just

    Thanks largely to Bairstow, Ali and Denly, none of whom are assured of their place right now.
  • ydoethur said:

    Good old Labour. Just when you think they’re gently nudging back to sanity they take careful aim and shoot themselves in both feet.
    If they block Starmer then its over isn't it? The party will split.
    Yes
  • ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Jesus Christ...England really are going to lose this.

    I thought it was the Saffers that were meant to be world champion chokers?
    We don't choke when it matters.

    *Cough*Super Over in a world cup final*Cough*
    In the absence of Stokes, the only batsman to emerge from this series with any credit is Joe Denly.
    England ODI without Stokes, Buttler and Archer are like England rugby without Big Billy, Manu and Watson.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,503
    ydoethur said:

    Good old Labour. Just when you think they’re gently nudging back to sanity they take careful aim and shoot themselves in both feet.
    Starmer will be fine and this is journalistic hysteria. If there are allegations of misuse of data then the data controller (the party) is indeed obliged to report them so they can be looked at. If some staff on either side turned out to have broken a rule, they'd be sacked and perhaps prosecuted, end of.
  • speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    ydoethur said:

    Biden: "“I’ve lost a lot in my life,” he said, referencing not just Beau but the wife and daughter who died in a car crash shortly after that first Senate win. “I’ll be damned if I’m going to stand by and lose my country too.”


    https://www.thedailybeast.com/joe-biden-is-running-out-of-gas?ref=home

    If Obama had had a younger running mate in 2012, or if Biden had retired and forced him to pick one, the odds are he wouldn’t have done.

    The simple fact that Biden was so obviously past it forced the Dems to turn to Hilary Clinton - and the rest was catastrophe.
    Obama selected Biden because of 3 things:

    1. To balance the ticket having a conservative old white guy.
    2. Biden's political base was so small and Biden so old that he was not a political threat to Obama.
    3. To deploy Biden to be his shield against Hillary inside the Party.

    Hillary was going to run after Obama anyway, an informal deal had already been struck in 2008.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,503
    edited February 2020
    I actually thought the US poll shows that people are retaining a sense of humo(u)r in difficult times. I doubt if anyone thought the poll, or their response to it, were very serious.

    The Tory/Brexit poll was more serious but also more understandable. If you care a great deal about England and its independence, it doesn't necessarily mean you care that much about the Union. Frankly I should think only a few people in Britain care whether Northern Ireland eventually joins Eire or goes independent or stays part of the UK - whatever they want is fine with us, no? We just didn't want to be terorrised into it by the IRA. And accepting economic damage to achieve what you think is a decisive question of indendence is a defensible point of view.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,551
    edited February 2020
    It's evolutionary biology to gather in tribes for protection.

    It's still literally the case in some parts of the world. But in most places it's moved on to Cats/Prods, Sunni/Shia, United/City, Democrat/Republican. Passions run high but usually not violently.

    I'm not a member of any football tribe but I was a member of the Remain tribe until I simply opted out - not to join the opposing team but just to stop playing the game. It was no longer exciting.

    Is the world more partisan than it was? I'm not sure that it is. There have been periods of widespread security and prosperity when tribal behaviour was confined to football teams. But when people feel threatened they revert to more serious tribes. And people in many countries feel threatened.

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231
    edited February 2020

    I had to read the Daily Beast article to know what QAnon was. Trump has so many mad ideas I can't keep up.

    "QAnon believers are convinced that Trump is secretly at war with pedophile-cannibals in the Democratic Party, a theory so unhinged and potent that the FBI considers it a potential source of domestic terrorism."

    They truly are special people.

    QAnon conspiracy theorists are telling people to drink bleach as a cure against the deadly Wuhan coronavirus

    https://www.businessinsider.com/china-coronavirus-wuhan-cure-qanon-mms-bleach-conspiracy-2020-1?r=US&IR=T
    At least they are giving the advice for free....apparently there is a big scam that has been going around the US for a while, where people buy a secret cure for (insert disease) and basically the advice is you must buy "Miracle Mineral Solution" (which is basically bleach that you self mix).

    https://www.sciencealert.com/the-fda-is-literally-warning-people-not-to-drink-bleach-now
    Household bleach is sodium hypochlorite. The ingredient that the article posted by Screaming Eagles is about a chemical called sodium chloride. I believe it is similar to hydrogen peroxide, in that people advocate small doses diluted in distilled water for a range of conditions. Obviously chugging down a tumbler of loo cleaner is a bad idea, but I don't really see anything wrong with the advocates of this advising people to use it as a face spray or even ingesting it at a safe dilution (this does not constitute medical advice - dyor as to what is safe). We ingest harmful substances at safe dilutions all the time. Some are even put in the water to benefit us. This is quackery at worst.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976

    ydoethur said:

    Good old Labour. Just when you think they’re gently nudging back to sanity they take careful aim and shoot themselves in both feet.
    Starmer will be fine and this is journalistic hysteria. If there are allegations of misuse of data then the data controller (the party) is indeed obliged to report them so they can be looked at. If some staff on either side turned out to have broken a rule, they'd be sacked and perhaps prosecuted, end of.
    Both of the main contenders' campaigns seem to have accused each other of similar offences regarding inappropriate usage of the party membership database.

    The party has retrospectively re-written the rules to leave one of them in the clear, and then reported the other to the Information Commissioner.

    Yes, that all sounds healthy.
  • I had to read the Daily Beast article to know what QAnon was. Trump has so many mad ideas I can't keep up.

    "QAnon believers are convinced that Trump is secretly at war with pedophile-cannibals in the Democratic Party, a theory so unhinged and potent that the FBI considers it a potential source of domestic terrorism."

    They truly are special people.

    QAnon conspiracy theorists are telling people to drink bleach as a cure against the deadly Wuhan coronavirus

    https://www.businessinsider.com/china-coronavirus-wuhan-cure-qanon-mms-bleach-conspiracy-2020-1?r=US&IR=T
    At least they are giving the advice for free....apparently there is a big scam that has been going around the US for a while, where people buy a secret cure for (insert disease) and basically the advice is you must buy "Miracle Mineral Solution" (which is basically bleach that you self mix).

    https://www.sciencealert.com/the-fda-is-literally-warning-people-not-to-drink-bleach-now
    Household bleach is sodium hypochlorite. The ingredient that the article posted by Screaming Eagles is about a chemical called sodium chloride. I believe it is similar to hydrogen peroxide, in that people advocate small doses diluted in distilled water for a range of conditions. Obviously chugging down a tumbler of loo cleaner is a bad idea, but I don't really see anything wrong with the advocates of this advising people to use it as a face spray or even ingesting it at a safe dilution (this does not constitute medical advice - dyor as to what is safe). We ingest harmful substances at safe dilutions all the time. Some are even put in the water to benefit us. This is quackery at worst.
    Miracle Mineral Supplement, often referred to as Miracle Mineral Solution, Master Mineral Solution, MMS or the CD protocol,[1] is chlorine dioxide, an industrial bleach. It is made by mixing sodium chlorite solution with an acid (such as the juices of citrus fruits). This mixture produces chlorine dioxide, a toxic chemical that in "high oral doses" can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and life-threatening low blood pressure due to dehydration.[2]

    Sodium chlorite, the main constituent of MMS, is a toxic chemical[3][4] that can cause acute kidney failure[5] if ingested. Small amounts of about 1 gram can be expected to cause nausea, vomiting, shedding of internal mucous membranes such as those of the small and large intestine (producing so-called "rope worms") and even life-threatening hemolysis in persons who are deficient in glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase.

  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,551
    Thank you to whoever tipped SF getting more than 30 seats. I got it on BF at 2.3. It's now unbackable.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,314

    twitter.com/harrymcgee/status/1226518265234628609

    How do you get a stable government out of that?
    You don't.
    Same time next week for another go around?
    Talking of go around, everyone be thankful they're not on a plane today.

    There's planes destined for the UK that have ended up in Frankfurt and Amsterdam, among other places. The Emirates flight to Manchester went around twice before deciding to head to Holland.
  • I had to read the Daily Beast article to know what QAnon was. Trump has so many mad ideas I can't keep up.

    "QAnon believers are convinced that Trump is secretly at war with pedophile-cannibals in the Democratic Party, a theory so unhinged and potent that the FBI considers it a potential source of domestic terrorism."

    They truly are special people.

    QAnon conspiracy theorists are telling people to drink bleach as a cure against the deadly Wuhan coronavirus

    https://www.businessinsider.com/china-coronavirus-wuhan-cure-qanon-mms-bleach-conspiracy-2020-1?r=US&IR=T
    At least they are giving the advice for free....apparently there is a big scam that has been going around the US for a while, where people buy a secret cure for (insert disease) and basically the advice is you must buy "Miracle Mineral Solution" (which is basically bleach that you self mix).

    https://www.sciencealert.com/the-fda-is-literally-warning-people-not-to-drink-bleach-now
    The ingredient that the article posted by Screaming Eagles is about a chemical called sodium chloride.
    Sodium Chlorite NaClO2 not NACl. Maybe autocorrect got you.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Nothing is destroyed by the destruction of the United Kingdom, so let's not exaggerate. You might just as well call it the creation of a United Ireland and an independent Scotland.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,644
    Give your opponent an inch, and he takes a mile. Britain voted by a slim majority for Brexit, 18 to 17 million, and the outcome looks likely to be complete realignment away from the European social model and toward America. The USA voted for a Democrat House in 2018, pretty healthily, and their only meaningful action has been an impeachment on almost-exactly partisan lines.
  • speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    "We’re now living in an era that can be categorised as the end of the reason"

    Nah, it's just an end of an era that you liked and a beginning of one that you don't understand.
    It happens all the time, just think of the Communists in 1990.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,644
    IshmaelZ said:

    Nothing is destroyed by the destruction of the United Kingdom, so let's not exaggerate. You might just as well call it the creation of a United Ireland and an independent Scotland.

    It's basically splitting the UK into two, one within the EU, one without. In biology that would be a perfect example of adaptation and survival of common genetic material. Supporters of the UK should whole-heartedly back Scottish independence to hedge bets on life inside/outside the EU.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231


    Miracle Mineral Supplement, often referred to as Miracle Mineral Solution, Master Mineral Solution, MMS or the CD protocol,[1] is chlorine dioxide, an industrial bleach. It is made by mixing sodium chlorite solution with an acid (such as the juices of citrus fruits). This mixture produces chlorine dioxide, a toxic chemical that in "high oral doses" can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and life-threatening low blood pressure due to dehydration.[2]

    Sodium chlorite, the main constituent of MMS, is a toxic chemical[3][4] that can cause acute kidney failure[5] if ingested. Small amounts of about 1 gram can be expected to cause nausea, vomiting, shedding of internal mucous membranes such as those of the small and large intestine (producing so-called "rope worms") and even life-threatening hemolysis in persons who are deficient in glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase.

    This article doesn't mention the dosage/dilution that the adherents of sodium chlorite are recommending. If they were recommending it in the quantities that resulted in the above symptoms, it's hardly likely that a community would build up around it is it?

    As I said, we ingest harmful substance in safe quantities all the time. There is toxic fluoride in your toothpaste and in our water. But it's there at a safe dilution. Our leading treatment for cancer is the ingestion of deadly poisons, and yes, sometimes we do die from them.

    It would appear that this substance is used against pathogens as an industrial cleaner. If there's a way to ingest it (or otherwise administer it) that is harmless to the human but probably still harmful in some way to the pathogen, it is hardly surprising that it is taking off.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 4,947
    eek said:


    We get the politicians we deserve and with 24 hour news and social media you need to be foolish or insane to become an MP.

    We get the politicians we deserve because we elect (most of) them.

    Maybe MPs got the Speaker they deserved for the same reason?

    Or maybe it was New Labour's naked partisanship in electing Bercow despite Conservative opposition that gave us the Speaker we didn't deserve?

    Not sure.
  • I had to read the Daily Beast article to know what QAnon was. Trump has so many mad ideas I can't keep up.

    "QAnon believers are convinced that Trump is secretly at war with pedophile-cannibals in the Democratic Party, a theory so unhinged and potent that the FBI considers it a potential source of domestic terrorism."

    They truly are special people.

    QAnon conspiracy theorists are telling people to drink bleach as a cure against the deadly Wuhan coronavirus

    https://www.businessinsider.com/china-coronavirus-wuhan-cure-qanon-mms-bleach-conspiracy-2020-1?r=US&IR=T
    At least they are giving the advice for free....apparently there is a big scam that has been going around the US for a while, where people buy a secret cure for (insert disease) and basically the advice is you must buy "Miracle Mineral Solution" (which is basically bleach that you self mix).

    https://www.sciencealert.com/the-fda-is-literally-warning-people-not-to-drink-bleach-now
    The ingredient that the article posted by Screaming Eagles is about a chemical called sodium chloride.
    Sodium Chlorite NaClO2 not NACl. Maybe autocorrect got you.
    Indeed Sodium Chloride is common table salt. Most of us probably have too much in our diets, but too little can be a problem. NaClO2 not so much...
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231

    I had to read the Daily Beast article to know what QAnon was. Trump has so many mad ideas I can't keep up.

    "QAnon believers are convinced that Trump is secretly at war with pedophile-cannibals in the Democratic Party, a theory so unhinged and potent that the FBI considers it a potential source of domestic terrorism."

    They truly are special people.

    QAnon conspiracy theorists are telling people to drink bleach as a cure against the deadly Wuhan coronavirus

    https://www.businessinsider.com/china-coronavirus-wuhan-cure-qanon-mms-bleach-conspiracy-2020-1?r=US&IR=T
    At least they are giving the advice for free....apparently there is a big scam that has been going around the US for a while, where people buy a secret cure for (insert disease) and basically the advice is you must buy "Miracle Mineral Solution" (which is basically bleach that you self mix).

    https://www.sciencealert.com/the-fda-is-literally-warning-people-not-to-drink-bleach-now
    The ingredient that the article posted by Screaming Eagles is about a chemical called sodium chloride.
    Sodium Chlorite NaClO2 not NACl. Maybe autocorrect got you.
    Thanks, I am going to blame it on that. :smile:
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947
    edited February 2020
    maaarsh said:

    On topic, I presume we all saw the UK polling this morning which showed that leavers were significantly more accepting of dissent than remainers.

    Particularly notable that remainers got more intolerant with higher levels of education, whilst leavers with degrees were the most tolerant demographic found.

    High time we moved on from this sort of thing. So although I did think about a "Could it be that fools are more likely to suffer themselves gladly?" type offering in response, I will not be proceeding with it.

    #morethatunites

  • Miracle Mineral Supplement, often referred to as Miracle Mineral Solution, Master Mineral Solution, MMS or the CD protocol,[1] is chlorine dioxide, an industrial bleach. It is made by mixing sodium chlorite solution with an acid (such as the juices of citrus fruits). This mixture produces chlorine dioxide, a toxic chemical that in "high oral doses" can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and life-threatening low blood pressure due to dehydration.[2]

    Sodium chlorite, the main constituent of MMS, is a toxic chemical[3][4] that can cause acute kidney failure[5] if ingested. Small amounts of about 1 gram can be expected to cause nausea, vomiting, shedding of internal mucous membranes such as those of the small and large intestine (producing so-called "rope worms") and even life-threatening hemolysis in persons who are deficient in glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase.

    This article doesn't mention the dosage/dilution that the adherents of sodium chlorite are recommending. If they were recommending it in the quantities that resulted in the above symptoms, it's hardly likely that a community would build up around it is it?

    As I said, we ingest harmful substance in safe quantities all the time. There is toxic fluoride in your toothpaste and in our water. But it's there at a safe dilution. Our leading treatment for cancer is the ingestion of deadly poisons, and yes, sometimes we do die from them.

    It would appear that this substance is used against pathogens as an industrial cleaner. If there's a way to ingest it (or otherwise administer it) that is harmless to the human but probably still harmful in some way to the pathogen, it is hardly surprising that it is taking off.
    There isn't.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    I had to read the Daily Beast article to know what QAnon was. Trump has so many mad ideas I can't keep up.

    "QAnon believers are convinced that Trump is secretly at war with pedophile-cannibals in the Democratic Party, a theory so unhinged and potent that the FBI considers it a potential source of domestic terrorism."

    They truly are special people.

    QAnon conspiracy theorists are telling people to drink bleach as a cure against the deadly Wuhan coronavirus

    https://www.businessinsider.com/china-coronavirus-wuhan-cure-qanon-mms-bleach-conspiracy-2020-1?r=US&IR=T
    At least they are giving the advice for free....apparently there is a big scam that has been going around the US for a while, where people buy a secret cure for (insert disease) and basically the advice is you must buy "Miracle Mineral Solution" (which is basically bleach that you self mix).

    https://www.sciencealert.com/the-fda-is-literally-warning-people-not-to-drink-bleach-now
    The ingredient that the article posted by Screaming Eagles is about a chemical called sodium chloride.
    Sodium Chlorite NaClO2 not NACl. Maybe autocorrect got you.
    I was wondering about that.

  • Miracle Mineral Supplement, often referred to as Miracle Mineral Solution, Master Mineral Solution, MMS or the CD protocol,[1] is chlorine dioxide, an industrial bleach. It is made by mixing sodium chlorite solution with an acid (such as the juices of citrus fruits). This mixture produces chlorine dioxide, a toxic chemical that in "high oral doses" can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and life-threatening low blood pressure due to dehydration.[2]

    Sodium chlorite, the main constituent of MMS, is a toxic chemical[3][4] that can cause acute kidney failure[5] if ingested. Small amounts of about 1 gram can be expected to cause nausea, vomiting, shedding of internal mucous membranes such as those of the small and large intestine (producing so-called "rope worms") and even life-threatening hemolysis in persons who are deficient in glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase.

    This article doesn't mention the dosage/dilution that the adherents of sodium chlorite are recommending. If they were recommending it in the quantities that resulted in the above symptoms, it's hardly likely that a community would build up around it is it?

    As I said, we ingest harmful substance in safe quantities all the time. There is toxic fluoride in your toothpaste and in our water. But it's there at a safe dilution. Our leading treatment for cancer is the ingestion of deadly poisons, and yes, sometimes we do die from them.

    It would appear that this substance is used against pathogens as an industrial cleaner. If there's a way to ingest it (or otherwise administer it) that is harmless to the human but probably still harmful in some way to the pathogen, it is hardly surprising that it is taking off.
    I’m afraid that trying to work out the effects of novel chemicals in the body by analogy is never a good idea. There is a reason new pharmaceuticals are so expensive, and it is the extensive testing required to make sure we don’t end up with another Thalidomide.
    Even if they are in such low doses as to be harmless they prevent patients from speaking real help (see homeopathy).
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947
    Barnesian said:

    Thank you to whoever tipped SF getting more than 30 seats. I got it on BF at 2.3. It's now unbackable.

    It was @RichardNabavi and I followed too. Only wish I'd done more. Although that can be said for all winning bets of course.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,551
    kinabalu said:

    Barnesian said:

    Thank you to whoever tipped SF getting more than 30 seats. I got it on BF at 2.3. It's now unbackable.

    It was @RichardNabavi and I followed too. Only wish I'd done more. Although that can be said for all winning bets of course.
    Thank you @RichardNabavi
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231


    Miracle Mineral Supplement, often referred to as Miracle Mineral Solution, Master Mineral Solution, MMS or the CD protocol,[1] is chlorine dioxide, an industrial bleach. It is made by mixing sodium chlorite solution with an acid (such as the juices of citrus fruits). This mixture produces chlorine dioxide, a toxic chemical that in "high oral doses" can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and life-threatening low blood pressure due to dehydration.[2]

    Sodium chlorite, the main constituent of MMS, is a toxic chemical[3][4] that can cause acute kidney failure[5] if ingested. Small amounts of about 1 gram can be expected to cause nausea, vomiting, shedding of internal mucous membranes such as those of the small and large intestine (producing so-called "rope worms") and even life-threatening hemolysis in persons who are deficient in glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase.

    This article doesn't mention the dosage/dilution that the adherents of sodium chlorite are recommending. If they were recommending it in the quantities that resulted in the above symptoms, it's hardly likely that a community would build up around it is it?

    As I said, we ingest harmful substance in safe quantities all the time. There is toxic fluoride in your toothpaste and in our water. But it's there at a safe dilution. Our leading treatment for cancer is the ingestion of deadly poisons, and yes, sometimes we do die from them.

    It would appear that this substance is used against pathogens as an industrial cleaner. If there's a way to ingest it (or otherwise administer it) that is harmless to the human but probably still harmful in some way to the pathogen, it is hardly surprising that it is taking off.
    There isn't.
    Perhaps not, but I would be very surprised if that is the case. For full disclosure I myself have ingested an incredibly weak solution of hydrogen peroxide and distilled water intermittently for a couple of years. Anecdotally I find it very beneficial, though I don't have clinical trials to prove it. What is proven (by the fact that I am typing this) is that it's safe in appropriate quantities and dilutions. I have never experienced any ill effects whatsoever. I don't have any personal experience of chlorine dioxide to relate, but it seems the same sort of idea.

    There are no clinical trials for these quack health cures and it's unlikely there ever will be, because they are cheap chemicals that cannot be patented. In their absence, the hysterical denunciations are par for the course. People must make up their own minds on the information available.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,828


    Miracle Mineral Supplement, often referred to as Miracle Mineral Solution, Master Mineral Solution, MMS or the CD protocol,[1] is chlorine dioxide, an industrial bleach. It is made by mixing sodium chlorite solution with an acid (such as the juices of citrus fruits). This mixture produces chlorine dioxide, a toxic chemical that in "high oral doses" can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and life-threatening low blood pressure due to dehydration.[2]

    Sodium chlorite, the main constituent of MMS, is a toxic chemical[3][4] that can cause acute kidney failure[5] if ingested. Small amounts of about 1 gram can be expected to cause nausea, vomiting, shedding of internal mucous membranes such as those of the small and large intestine (producing so-called "rope worms") and even life-threatening hemolysis in persons who are deficient in glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase.

    This article doesn't mention the dosage/dilution that the adherents of sodium chlorite are recommending. If they were recommending it in the quantities that resulted in the above symptoms, it's hardly likely that a community would build up around it is it?

    As I said, we ingest harmful substance in safe quantities all the time. There is toxic fluoride in your toothpaste and in our water. But it's there at a safe dilution. Our leading treatment for cancer is the ingestion of deadly poisons, and yes, sometimes we do die from them.

    It would appear that this substance is used against pathogens as an industrial cleaner. If there's a way to ingest it (or otherwise administer it) that is harmless to the human but probably still harmful in some way to the pathogen, it is hardly surprising that it is taking off.
    There isn't.
    Perhaps not, but I would be very surprised if that is the case. For full disclosure I myself have ingested an incredibly weak solution of hydrogen peroxide and distilled water intermittently for a couple of years. Anecdotally I find it very beneficial, though I don't have clinical trials to prove it. What is proven (by the fact that I am typing this) is that it's safe in appropriate quantities and dilutions. I have never experienced any ill effects whatsoever. I don't have any personal experience of chlorine dioxide to relate, but it seems the same sort of idea.

    There are no clinical trials for these quack health cures and it's unlikely there ever will be, because they are cheap chemicals that cannot be patented. In their absence, the hysterical denunciations are par for the course. People must make up their own minds on the information available.
    I’m sorry, but that doesn’t prove anything. You could be dead in a month!
  • eekeek Posts: 28,077
    Fishing said:

    eek said:


    We get the politicians we deserve and with 24 hour news and social media you need to be foolish or insane to become an MP.

    We get the politicians we deserve because we elect (most of) them.

    Maybe MPs got the Speaker they deserved for the same reason?

    Or maybe it was New Labour's naked partisanship in electing Bercow despite Conservative opposition that gave us the Speaker we didn't deserve?

    Not sure.
    Not quite, we only get to elect people willing to become MPs and for a lot of people it just isn't worth the effort anymore. There are easier ways to make money and have influence.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    IshmaelZ said:

    Nothing is destroyed by the destruction of the United Kingdom, so let's not exaggerate. You might just as well call it the creation of a United Ireland and an independent Scotland.

    If you stop to think about it then it's remarkable exactly how much support there still is for the Union amongst Tories and Tory-leaning voters. After all, the closer the UK-England Venn diagram moves toward being a single circle, the weaker the position of Labour and the lower the likelihood of it coming back to power, at least without repenting of the Corbyn experiment and returning to harmless wet centrism.

    It is worth remembering at this juncture that maintaining a political union with Scotland and Northern Ireland alike requires a very considerable yearly outlay of English taxpayers' money to places where much of the population feels resentful, dominated, is desperate to get away, has an intense dislike of the English, or some combination of two or more of these things. What value, therefore, from the point of view of the ordinary English voter, is to be had in keeping it on life support?

    Northern Ireland is a relic of colonialism and religious sectarianism, the Union with Scotland is the product of 18th century concerns that no longer apply, and there is, in any event, absolutely no interest in reforming the Union in such a fashion is to make it a structure that is equitable and addresses the needs and concerns of all its members. So if it's going to die why not just let it?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231
    RobD said:


    I’m sorry, but that doesn’t prove anything. You could be dead in a month!

    So could you. And hydrogen peroxide wouldn't have anything to do with it in either case.

    The danger of using the chemical (and from the stuff posted today about Chlorine dioxide it is the same) is with its immediate corrosive effects. There is no stated cumulative impact - one's body itself actually produces hydrogen peroxide naturally.
  • It appears PB has turned into one of those Russian backed anti-vaxxer sites....
  • Fishing said:

    eek said:


    We get the politicians we deserve and with 24 hour news and social media you need to be foolish or insane to become an MP.

    Maybe MPs got the Speaker they deserved for the same reason?
    The last parliament deserved Bercow. The current parliament deserves better and they've got it.

    The biggest hoot in all this Bercow Peerage whining is Bercow complaining about the government not following precedent!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231

    It appears PB has turned into one of those Russian backed anti-vaxxer sites....

    Oh, the Russians are making an appearance, good oh.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,828

    RobD said:


    I’m sorry, but that doesn’t prove anything. You could be dead in a month!

    So could you. And hydrogen peroxide wouldn't have anything to do with it in either case.

    The danger of using the chemical (and from the stuff posted today about Chlorine dioxide it is the same) is with its immediate corrosive effects. There is no stated cumulative impact - one's body itself actually produces hydrogen peroxide naturally.
    You are simply asserting that it would have nothing to do with hydrogen peroxide.

    I could smoke a hundred fags a day until I die aged 99. That doesn’t mean smoking isn’t bad for your health, it just means I got lucky.
  • Fishing said:

    eek said:


    We get the politicians we deserve and with 24 hour news and social media you need to be foolish or insane to become an MP.

    We get the politicians we deserve because we elect (most of) them.

    Maybe MPs got the Speaker they deserved for the same reason?

    Or maybe it was New Labour's naked partisanship in electing Bercow despite Conservative opposition that gave us the Speaker we didn't deserve?

    Not sure.
    Bercow was reelected Speaker at the start of the 2010, 2015 and 2017 Parliaments. It can't all be down to Labour votes else David Cameron and Theresa May would not have been in Number 10.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842

    Fishing said:

    eek said:


    We get the politicians we deserve and with 24 hour news and social media you need to be foolish or insane to become an MP.

    We get the politicians we deserve because we elect (most of) them.

    Maybe MPs got the Speaker they deserved for the same reason?

    Or maybe it was New Labour's naked partisanship in electing Bercow despite Conservative opposition that gave us the Speaker we didn't deserve?

    Not sure.
    Bercow was reelected Speaker at the start of the 2010, 2015 and 2017 Parliaments. It can't all be down to Labour votes else David Cameron and Theresa May would not have been in Number 10.
    Bercow had his fans on both sides of the aisle - but his support from the opposition benches far outweighed those from the Government side.

    Plus voting against the Speaker risks not being called so often (if at all) - and Bercow did like to play favourites (as have other Speakers in the past - but probably not to the same extent)
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231
    RobD said:

    RobD said:


    I’m sorry, but that doesn’t prove anything. You could be dead in a month!

    So could you. And hydrogen peroxide wouldn't have anything to do with it in either case.

    The danger of using the chemical (and from the stuff posted today about Chlorine dioxide it is the same) is with its immediate corrosive effects. There is no stated cumulative impact - one's body itself actually produces hydrogen peroxide naturally.
    You are simply asserting that it would have nothing to do with hydrogen peroxide.

    I could smoke a hundred fags a day until I die aged 99. That doesn’t mean smoking isn’t bad for your health, it just means I got lucky.
    There are well established clinical pathways by which the cumulative effect of smoking damages human health in most cases. The warnings about hydrogen peroxide are about its immediate corrosive dangers.

    But I am not trying to convince you. You do you.
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