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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    TimT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    TimT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Whoever ends up winning Iowa the WH2020 Dem nomination battle is now framed as between Bernie and Buttigieg"

    What an extraordinary thread heading from OGH, seemingly totally ignoring the chances of Michael Bloomberg until he suddenly remembers him as an after thought, answering his own question as regards whether his huge financial investment into his campaign will make any difference ... "I don't know" is his equivocal reply.
    Well the betting market certainly has a much more positive view of Bloomberg's prospects where he is the second favourite with the Betfair Exchange to win the Democratic nomination with odds of 5.12, compared with Sanders on 2.65. Meanwhile Biden and Buttigieg languish in 3rd an 4th places both on odds of 7.5.

    Wait till New Hampshire
    Sorry, but since Bloomberg will be taking no part in the New Hampshire Primary and his rating in the popularity stakes will not be known until the "Super Tuesday" results are in, I really don't understand the point you are making.
    If Buttigieg wins New Hampshire, and that is far from certain, then I'm not sure whether Bloomberg stands a chance.

    Bloomberg needs a situation where no moderate has separated from the pack, and they are all seen as failing. If Buttigieg wins New Hampshire, Klobuchar leaves the race, and Biden continues to bleed support and money, then what's Bloomberg's pitch?
    "I'm a self-made mega-billionaire and former New York mayor, and he's well-known in South Bend Indiana."
    "The 'woke' country may be ready for a gay Prez, but those Rust Belt voters you need to win over aren't"? Although, I doubt Bloomberg could or would want to say that so directly. It would have to be very carefully insinuated by others at a deniable distance.
    Are they ready for a charisma free elderly Jew who pretty much epitomises the elites that Trump rails against?
    After the flamboyance of Trump, perhaps the country is more than ready for a charisma free pair of safe hands.
    If Sanders surges, and Biden collapses, then Bloomberg and his effectively infinite war chest may well have a chance. We've never had a candidate with his level of resources before, so it's yet to be seen whether he can "Buy" the election, as if those who have to raise cash for the purpose aren't trying to do the same.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited February 2020
    rcs1000 said:

    Tim_B said:

    SUPRC/Boston Globe/WBZ-TV poll NH -

    Sanders 24%
    Buttigieg 23%
    Warren 13%
    Biden 11%

    There's a debate tonight in New Hampshire, right?
    yes, in half an hour. It's on ABC
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    kicorsekicorse Posts: 431
    rcs1000 said:


    I would point out that Buttigieg won the counties in Iowa that went Obama-Trump...

    Genuine question (the answer isn't obvious to me): does this have any predictive value given that the electorates are very different?

    That is, do candidates tend to do better in presidential elections (relative to expectations for their party) in counties that they won during their party's caucus, than in counties that they lost during their party's caucus.

    I'm guessing there must be data on this.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    I presume we have posted that front page so Sunil knows he can travel from one end of Scotland to the other for £19......
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    TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Gawd - just seem Bloomberg on the news - he looks like he’s been ejected from a Curb Your enthusiasm after party.

    No wonder he is spending money on ads without his face in them.

    A lay.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    TGOHF666 said:

    Gawd - just seem Bloomberg on the news - he looks like he’s been ejected from a Curb Your enthusiasm after party.

    No wonder he is spending money on ads without his face in them.

    A lay.

    - and much has been made of the fact that he - allegedly - has asked for a box to stand on at debates due to his small stature.
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    speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    kicorse said:

    rcs1000 said:


    I would point out that Buttigieg won the counties in Iowa that went Obama-Trump...

    Genuine question (the answer isn't obvious to me): does this have any predictive value given that the electorates are very different?

    That is, do candidates tend to do better in presidential elections (relative to expectations for their party) in counties that they won during their party's caucus, than in counties that they lost during their party's caucus.

    I'm guessing there must be data on this.
    It's a mixed picture.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    I presume we have posted that front page so Sunil knows he can travel from one end of Scotland to the other for £19......
    Isn't the train shown one of the dreaded DMUs - Diesel Multiple Units - that British Rail first introduced in the late 50s and early 60s? Have they not been retired yet? God I can't believe I know this.....
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    speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    Significant news from Nevada.
    Harry Reid's political machine in Las Vegas is mobilising for Buttigieg.

    Reid may have retired and is old and ill but he still controls the machine, and it's worth a couple of %.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,001
    speedy2 said:

    Significant news from Nevada.
    Harry Reid's political machine in Las Vegas is mobilising for Buttigieg.

    Reid may have retired and is old and ill but he still controls the machine, and it's worth a couple of %.

    Aren't Union endorsements still crucial in Nevada?

    I would have thought that Warren would be the logical recipient there.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    speedy2 said:

    Significant news from Nevada.
    Harry Reid's political machine in Las Vegas is mobilising for Buttigieg.

    Reid may have retired and is old and ill but he still controls the machine, and it's worth a couple of %.

    Harry Reid. A fine upstanding citizen, an inspiration to others, and as honest as the day is long....

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/15/harry-reid-lied-about-mitt-romneys-taxes-hes-still-not-sorry/
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    speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    edited February 2020
    rcs1000 said:

    speedy2 said:

    Significant news from Nevada.
    Harry Reid's political machine in Las Vegas is mobilising for Buttigieg.

    Reid may have retired and is old and ill but he still controls the machine, and it's worth a couple of %.

    Aren't Union endorsements still crucial in Nevada?

    I would have thought that Warren would be the logical recipient there.
    Well Union Leaders and Union Members usually vote differently as we all know.
    But still Reid's Unions I say they are worth around 5%.
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    speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    edited February 2020
    The microphones on the Debate are terrible.
    They're malfunctioning and also there is a large echo.
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    I presume we have posted that front page so Sunil knows he can travel from one end of Scotland to the other for £19......
    Except its on ScotRail.......
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    Tim_B said:

    I presume we have posted that front page so Sunil knows he can travel from one end of Scotland to the other for £19......
    Isn't the train shown one of the dreaded DMUs - Diesel Multiple Units - that British Rail first introduced in the late 50s and early 60s? Have they not been retired yet? God I can't believe I know this.....
    No, that is a BR Class 158, which were built between 1989 and 1992. They are probably due for replacement in the next 10 years or so.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Warren has a plan
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    speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    No one is attacking Buttigieg but everone is attacking Sanders.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,001
    Klobuchar talks too fast.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,001
    Biden is slurring a bit.
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    speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    Now they are ganging up on Buttigieg.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    If you combine Klob and Bernie's accent you get https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2o0QkkTdIY
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    speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    edited February 2020
    This is probably the first democratic debate that is a proper debate.
    Probably it's perhaps they know it's "now or never".
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Risky move by Biden there asking people to get up and clap, but it worked (Just).
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Hint of a Sanders-Klobuchar ticket ?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    I think Sanders is winning this tbh.
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    speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    edited February 2020
    It's just softball questions now.
    The debate has degenerated back to a Q&A session.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Lol Buttigieg answering a question on foreign intelligence
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,886
    Biden looks like a corpse. Making about as much sense as one.
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    speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    Pulpstar said:

    Lol Buttigieg answering a question on foreign intelligence

    He is an Intelligence Officer, the American version of Rory Stewart.
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    speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    Chameleon said:

    Biden looks like a corpse. Making about as much sense as one.

    So far it's his best debate.
    But he gets tired quickly, so lets see in an hour how he's doing.
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    Biden looks old......
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    speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    edited February 2020
    I related news to the debate, the bad weather in N.Hampshire has damaged the TV broadcast equipment and many there don't have TV right now.

    Someone is jinxing the Democrats.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    speedy2 said:

    Chameleon said:

    Biden looks like a corpse. Making about as much sense as one.

    So far it's his best debate.
    Even as someone backing him (Amongst others) ... blimey...
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Biden wants a brain, Sanders wants a heart.
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,886
    speedy2 said:

    Chameleon said:

    Biden looks like a corpse. Making about as much sense as one.

    So far it's his best debate.
    But he gets tired quickly, so lets see in an hour how he's doing.
    Jeez, even within the last six months he's lost all colour, seems to have lost facial features and gone from grey hair to wispy almost invisible hair.

    Compare 4:40 in the first debate here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX7hni-zGD8 to now.
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    speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    Pulpstar said:

    speedy2 said:

    Chameleon said:

    Biden looks like a corpse. Making about as much sense as one.

    So far it's his best debate.
    Even as someone backing him (Amongst others) ... blimey...
    Biden in past debates has been even worse, so by definition it's his best.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,794
    While you're looking at the Dem debate, here is today's Interesting Thing

    http://theconversation.com/how-parents-resources-shape-their-childrens-attitudes-to-the-future-100625
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    Pulpstar said:

    Biden wants a brain, Sanders wants a heart.

    Does that make Mayor Pete the Lion who needs some courage?
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    speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    edited February 2020
    Chameleon said:

    speedy2 said:

    Chameleon said:

    Biden looks like a corpse. Making about as much sense as one.

    So far it's his best debate.
    But he gets tired quickly, so lets see in an hour how he's doing.
    Jeez, even within the last six months he's lost all colour, seems to have lost facial features and gone from grey hair to wispy almost invisible hair.

    Compare 4:40 in the first debate here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX7hni-zGD8 to now.
    It's the middle of the winter and Biden is almost 80, and his hair is not exactly 100% natural.

    I think he did a hair transplant surgery in the 1980's.

    But Biden's speech has improved vastly on this debate, so far.
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    speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    Iron Oxide makeup.
    Iron Oxide is also linked to Dementia.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,794
    Oh, it's Booty-judge.

    And now I know.

    (Im looking at the ABC YouTube. The candidates aren't very impressive from a physical point of view)
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    speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    edited February 2020
    Oh Buttigieg was caught lying by one of the moderators, on racism.

    And now he is attacked on it.

    A reminder on why Buttigieg is getting 0% with minorities.
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,886
    Buttigeg showing why Biden is likely to keep establishment money for long enough to get to an SC win.
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    speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    edited February 2020
    viewcode said:
    There is gossip than Biden is also doing botox too, but I don't know if that is true.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,001
    speedy2 said:

    Oh Buttigieg was caught lying by one of the moderators, on racism.

    And now he is attacked on it.

    A reminder on why Buttigieg is getting 0% with minorities.

    I think he's got Trevor Noah's vote:

    https://youtu.be/13OypBRrwv8
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    speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    Who is Dick Harpootlian?
    And why he is so important to denounce on a Debate ?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,001
    speedy2 said:

    Oh Buttigieg was caught lying by one of the moderators, on racism.

    And now he is attacked on it.

    A reminder on why Buttigieg is getting 0% with minorities.

    Worth nothing that Buttigieg was second, behind Biden, with minorities in Iowa. He got 15%. Now, it's off a small base. And the minorities in Iowa are mostly Hispanic and Middle Eastern. But it's a reminder that he did better with minorities than Biden did with whites.
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    speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    rcs1000 said:

    speedy2 said:

    Oh Buttigieg was caught lying by one of the moderators, on racism.

    And now he is attacked on it.

    A reminder on why Buttigieg is getting 0% with minorities.

    Worth nothing that Buttigieg was second, behind Biden, with minorities in Iowa. He got 15%. Now, it's off a small base. And the minorities in Iowa are mostly Hispanic and Middle Eastern. But it's a reminder that he did better with minorities than Biden did with whites.
    Incorrect, Sanders was 1st, not Biden.
    https://twitter.com/MattMetcalf/status/1225974405865627650
    Anyway the Iowa Caucus right now is as credible as any Third World election.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,001
    speedy2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    speedy2 said:

    Oh Buttigieg was caught lying by one of the moderators, on racism.

    And now he is attacked on it.

    A reminder on why Buttigieg is getting 0% with minorities.

    Worth nothing that Buttigieg was second, behind Biden, with minorities in Iowa. He got 15%. Now, it's off a small base. And the minorities in Iowa are mostly Hispanic and Middle Eastern. But it's a reminder that he did better with minorities than Biden did with whites.
    Incorrect, Sanders was 1st, not Biden.
    https://twitter.com/MattMetcalf/status/1225974405865627650
    Anyway the Iowa Caucus right now is as credible as any Third World election.
    That was the entrance poll.

    But my point stands. He's clearly not doing as badly with minorities as you claim.
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    speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    rcs1000 said:

    speedy2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    speedy2 said:

    Oh Buttigieg was caught lying by one of the moderators, on racism.

    And now he is attacked on it.

    A reminder on why Buttigieg is getting 0% with minorities.

    Worth nothing that Buttigieg was second, behind Biden, with minorities in Iowa. He got 15%. Now, it's off a small base. And the minorities in Iowa are mostly Hispanic and Middle Eastern. But it's a reminder that he did better with minorities than Biden did with whites.
    Incorrect, Sanders was 1st, not Biden.
    https://twitter.com/MattMetcalf/status/1225974405865627650
    Anyway the Iowa Caucus right now is as credible as any Third World election.
    That was the entrance poll.

    But my point stands. He's clearly not doing as badly with minorities as you claim.
    In the last NBC poll and the last Quinnipiac Poll he gets 0% of African Am.
    And tonight you saw why.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,001
    speedy2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    speedy2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    speedy2 said:

    Oh Buttigieg was caught lying by one of the moderators, on racism.

    And now he is attacked on it.

    A reminder on why Buttigieg is getting 0% with minorities.

    Worth nothing that Buttigieg was second, behind Biden, with minorities in Iowa. He got 15%. Now, it's off a small base. And the minorities in Iowa are mostly Hispanic and Middle Eastern. But it's a reminder that he did better with minorities than Biden did with whites.
    Incorrect, Sanders was 1st, not Biden.
    https://twitter.com/MattMetcalf/status/1225974405865627650
    Anyway the Iowa Caucus right now is as credible as any Third World election.
    That was the entrance poll.

    But my point stands. He's clearly not doing as badly with minorities as you claim.
    In the last NBC poll and the last Quinnipiac Poll he gets 0% of African Am.
    And tonight you saw why.
    I must admit, I got bored after about ten minutes, but I understand he got pwned by the moderator.

    Still, 538 thinks he did pretty well. We'll see in the post debate polls.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,661
    I forgot to wish Nick P a happy birthday last Wednesday.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,001
    speedy2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    speedy2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    speedy2 said:

    Oh Buttigieg was caught lying by one of the moderators, on racism.

    And now he is attacked on it.

    A reminder on why Buttigieg is getting 0% with minorities.

    Worth nothing that Buttigieg was second, behind Biden, with minorities in Iowa. He got 15%. Now, it's off a small base. And the minorities in Iowa are mostly Hispanic and Middle Eastern. But it's a reminder that he did better with minorities than Biden did with whites.
    Incorrect, Sanders was 1st, not Biden.
    https://twitter.com/MattMetcalf/status/1225974405865627650
    Anyway the Iowa Caucus right now is as credible as any Third World election.
    That was the entrance poll.

    But my point stands. He's clearly not doing as badly with minorities as you claim.
    In the last NBC poll and the last Quinnipiac Poll he gets 0% of African Am.
    And tonight you saw why.
    I was picking up in your choice of the word "minorities", because that's a much larger pool than just AA voters.
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    speedy2 said:

    viewcode said:
    There is gossip than Biden is also doing botox too, but I don't know if that is true.
    From his shiny immovable forehead I'd say 'yes'.
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    speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    rcs1000 said:

    speedy2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    speedy2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    speedy2 said:

    Oh Buttigieg was caught lying by one of the moderators, on racism.

    And now he is attacked on it.

    A reminder on why Buttigieg is getting 0% with minorities.

    Worth nothing that Buttigieg was second, behind Biden, with minorities in Iowa. He got 15%. Now, it's off a small base. And the minorities in Iowa are mostly Hispanic and Middle Eastern. But it's a reminder that he did better with minorities than Biden did with whites.
    Incorrect, Sanders was 1st, not Biden.
    https://twitter.com/MattMetcalf/status/1225974405865627650
    Anyway the Iowa Caucus right now is as credible as any Third World election.
    That was the entrance poll.

    But my point stands. He's clearly not doing as badly with minorities as you claim.
    In the last NBC poll and the last Quinnipiac Poll he gets 0% of African Am.
    And tonight you saw why.
    I must admit, I got bored after about ten minutes, but I understand he got pwned by the moderator.

    Still, 538 thinks he did pretty well. We'll see in the post debate polls.
    It's better to see it with your own eyes, not from a written post.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758



    Unless you're French.

    As Dr Johnson wisely observed trying to fix a language is like trying to bind the sea in chains.

    The French ruined their language with all those silly symbols.

    But you'll be all delighted to know that sometime in the next few weeks I'll be publishing a based on the thread on the Oxford comma and what it means for betting (on politics).
    Don’t leave us hanging
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    speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    Ok Debate over.

    Sanders got hit on healthcare in the beggining and gun control at he end.
    Buttigieg got hit on his past political positions, his experience and racism, the last one from the moderator.

    Biden did better than his last debates.
    Warren a muddle.
    Klobuchar was mostly emotional throughout the debate.
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
    rcs1000 said:

    speedy2 said:

    Significant news from Nevada.
    Harry Reid's political machine in Las Vegas is mobilising for Buttigieg.

    Reid may have retired and is old and ill but he still controls the machine, and it's worth a couple of %.

    Aren't Union endorsements still crucial in Nevada?

    I would have thought that Warren would be the logical recipient there.
    Yep, all those workers in the hotels and casinos. But surely there is a large overlap between the Reid machine and the Unions, no?
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    speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    TimT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    speedy2 said:

    Significant news from Nevada.
    Harry Reid's political machine in Las Vegas is mobilising for Buttigieg.

    Reid may have retired and is old and ill but he still controls the machine, and it's worth a couple of %.

    Aren't Union endorsements still crucial in Nevada?

    I would have thought that Warren would be the logical recipient there.
    Yep, all those workers in the hotels and casinos. But surely there is a large overlap between the Reid machine and the Unions, no?
    The machine is the Unions there.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    glw said:


    Are they saying the advice from the NCSC is wrong?

    The US government is now floating the idea of aquiring a controlling interest in Nokia and Ericsson, so it should be abundantly clear to even our dimmest MPs that we should not trust any supplier. The only way out of this mess is open standards and systems and a much greater diversity of suppliers. Simply banning Huawei is going to leave us even more dependent on companies that do not deserve our trust either.
    Doesn't Investor AB still hold a blocking stake in Ericsson?
    Whether they do or not the Wallenbergs will have a view
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    speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    edited February 2020
    One of the moments of the night, Buttigieg caught lying on racism by the moderator:

    https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1225974726985646080

    I can see Trump getting 12% of the black vote against Buttigieg easily, but the turnout will fall by far more.
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    Gabs3Gabs3 Posts: 836
    edited February 2020
    speedy2 said:

    One of the moments of the night, Buttigieg caught lying on racism by the moderator:

    https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1225974726985646080

    I can see Trump getting 12% of the black vote against Buttigieg easily, but the turnout will fall by far more.

    How on Earth is that "lying"? He did not say a single thing that was untrue. This is why I despise the far left. They are utterly unable to disagree with anyone on anything without the other person being smeared as a terrible person with immoral motives.
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    speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    edited February 2020
    Gabs3 said:

    speedy2 said:

    One of the moments of the night, Buttigieg caught lying on racism by the moderator:

    https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1225974726985646080

    I can see Trump getting 12% of the black vote against Buttigieg easily, but the turnout will fall by far more.

    How on Earth is that "lying"? He did not say a single thing that was untrue. This is why I despise the far left. They are utterly unable to disagree with anyone on anything without the other person being smeared as a terrible person with immoral motives.
    Let me post this video that cuts Buttigieg's waffle, it's from the Trump campaign but whatever:

    https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1225975303106912256
    Buttigieg was just waffling endlessly, but 30 seconds of video is all you need to get him.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    Gabs3 said:

    speedy2 said:

    One of the moments of the night, Buttigieg caught lying on racism by the moderator:

    https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1225974726985646080

    I can see Trump getting 12% of the black vote against Buttigieg easily, but the turnout will fall by far more.

    How on Earth is that "lying"? He did not say a single thing that was untrue. This is why I despise the far left. They are utterly unable to disagree with anyone on anything without the other person being smeared as a terrible person with immoral motives.
    I thought he handled that rather well.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    speedy2 said:

    Gabs3 said:

    speedy2 said:

    One of the moments of the night, Buttigieg caught lying on racism by the moderator:

    https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1225974726985646080

    I can see Trump getting 12% of the black vote against Buttigieg easily, but the turnout will fall by far more.

    How on Earth is that "lying"? He did not say a single thing that was untrue. This is why I despise the far left. They are utterly unable to disagree with anyone on anything without the other person being smeared as a terrible person with immoral motives.
    Let me post this video that cuts Buttigieg's waffle, it's from the Trump campaign but whatever:

    https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1225975303106912256
    Buttigieg was just waffling endlessly, but 30 seconds of video is all you need to get him.
    That is just someone else shouting him down. If that is the best you have got I would suggest stopping digging.
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    Gabs3Gabs3 Posts: 836
    speedy2 said:

    Gabs3 said:

    speedy2 said:

    One of the moments of the night, Buttigieg caught lying on racism by the moderator:

    https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1225974726985646080

    I can see Trump getting 12% of the black vote against Buttigieg easily, but the turnout will fall by far more.

    How on Earth is that "lying"? He did not say a single thing that was untrue. This is why I despise the far left. They are utterly unable to disagree with anyone on anything without the other person being smeared as a terrible person with immoral motives.
    Let me post this video that cuts Buttigieg's waffle, it's from the Trump campaign but whatever:

    https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1225975303106912256
    Buttigieg was just waffling endlessly, but 30 seconds of video is all you need to get him.
    He did not lie at all. The moderator said the rate for black drug arrests went up and he said the *overall* rate went down. That is not a lie and it doesn't matter how much you repeat the smear, it doesn't become one.

    And everything you dismissed as "waffle" was actually some very important points about the disadvantages facing black people in America and what he proposes to do to change that. Legalization of marijuana and retroactive suspension of prison sentences is genuinely positive, red meat policy. But you don't care because the hard left doesn't actually care about making people's lives better, just about slamming people that aren't fully signed up to the tribe.
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    speedy2speedy2 Posts: 981
    Gabs3 said:

    speedy2 said:

    Gabs3 said:

    speedy2 said:

    One of the moments of the night, Buttigieg caught lying on racism by the moderator:

    https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1225974726985646080

    I can see Trump getting 12% of the black vote against Buttigieg easily, but the turnout will fall by far more.

    How on Earth is that "lying"? He did not say a single thing that was untrue. This is why I despise the far left. They are utterly unable to disagree with anyone on anything without the other person being smeared as a terrible person with immoral motives.
    Let me post this video that cuts Buttigieg's waffle, it's from the Trump campaign but whatever:

    https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1225975303106912256
    Buttigieg was just waffling endlessly, but 30 seconds of video is all you need to get him.
    He did not lie at all. The moderator said the rate for black drug arrests went up and he said the *overall* rate went down. That is not a lie and it doesn't matter how much you repeat the smear, it doesn't become one.

    And everything you dismissed as "waffle" was actually some very important points about the disadvantages facing black people in America and what he proposes to do to change that. Legalization of marijuana and retroactive suspension of prison sentences is genuinely positive, red meat policy. But you don't care because the hard left doesn't actually care about making people's lives better, just about slamming people that aren't fully signed up to the tribe.
    Chris Christie is Hard Left ?
    https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/status/1225990601528823813
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    Pulpstar said:

    Biden wants a brain, Sanders wants a heart.

    Does that make Mayor Pete the Lion who needs some courage?
    Unless Mayor Pete is Dorothy?
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,980

    Remember that SNP boast about how many Scottish tax payers would pay less tax than in rUK? They didn’t mention how much less.
    https://twitter.com/stuartgmcintyre/status/1225454840639369217?s=20

    A whole 40p a week.....the “better off” (sic) don’t do so well....

    Tory does not like being wrong , you are a cracker. Has the NHS received their £350M a week yet. You concentrate and make a fool of yourself by proving what the SNP said is correct and what the Tories said is lies, fact that more people pay less tax in SCotland. Yet I have not seen one peep about Tory lies, where is the £350M a week the NHS was to get after Brexit, can you prove it is being paid.
    Go on show us it is only £350.001 million.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,980
    Unbelievable the morons that comment on the Scotsman. Is it any wonder it is going down the drain.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,980
    Tim_B said:

    I presume we have posted that front page so Sunil knows he can travel from one end of Scotland to the other for £19......
    Isn't the train shown one of the dreaded DMUs - Diesel Multiple Units - that British Rail first introduced in the late 50s and early 60s? Have they not been retired yet? God I can't believe I know this.....
    All the modern trains are in the south east and London, we just get the dregs sent up, though we have to pay for the modern ones down south as well.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929

    Pulpstar said:

    Biden wants a brain, Sanders wants a heart.

    Does that make Mayor Pete the Lion who needs some courage?
    Unless Mayor Pete is Dorothy?
    Mayor Pete is Toto, Dorothy's friend
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,462
    malcolmg said:

    Tim_B said:

    I presume we have posted that front page so Sunil knows he can travel from one end of Scotland to the other for £19......
    Isn't the train shown one of the dreaded DMUs - Diesel Multiple Units - that British Rail first introduced in the late 50s and early 60s? Have they not been retired yet? God I can't believe I know this.....
    All the modern trains are in the south east and London, we just get the dregs sent up, though we have to pay for the modern ones down south as well.
    Come off it Malc, this is just daft. We have modern trains in Scotland!
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,980
    edited February 2020

    malcolmg said:

    Tim_B said:

    I presume we have posted that front page so Sunil knows he can travel from one end of Scotland to the other for £19......
    Isn't the train shown one of the dreaded DMUs - Diesel Multiple Units - that British Rail first introduced in the late 50s and early 60s? Have they not been retired yet? God I can't believe I know this.....
    All the modern trains are in the south east and London, we just get the dregs sent up, though we have to pay for the modern ones down south as well.
    Come off it Malc, this is just daft. We have modern trains in Scotland!
    So why are Scotsman using old crap to try and highlight otherwise. What an absolute toilet roll that paper is, sooner it is bankrupt the better. Imagine they have lot of old tat in highlands mind you as will be minimum to little electrification.
    PS: It was a good soundbite mind you.
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