Labour are now more likely to direct venom at the SNP than at whatever latest xenophobe fest Farage has dreamed up.
Just as well they aren’t actually reading the news and focussing their fire intelligently.* This story is just beyond extraordinary (not least that the officers who carried out this kidnap face no charges):
In nine years, it’s difficult to think of anything to do with Police Scotland that hasn’t been an utter fiasco. At what point will the SNP admit Police Scotland has been the most epic law enforcement clusterfuck since the Keystone Cops and replace it in its entirety with new local forces?
*Although this does of course partly explain why the SNP are getting away with a dismal domestic record.
"Learning opportunities..."
LOL, why not regale us with the wonderful English police , next to no crimes solved , grooming gangs running amok all over the country, knife murders and stabbings just about the worst in the world. Go on I dare you.
Why do you assume I was making an anti-Scottish point? I would have made exactly the same post if I had read it in an article about an England based police force..
Labour are now more likely to direct venom at the SNP than at whatever latest xenophobe fest Farage has dreamed up.
Just as well they aren’t actually reading the news and focussing their fire intelligently.* This story is just beyond extraordinary (not least that the officers who carried out this kidnap face no charges):
In nine years, it’s difficult to think of anything to do with Police Scotland that hasn’t been an utter fiasco. At what point will the SNP admit Police Scotland has been the most epic law enforcement clusterfuck since the Keystone Cops and replace it in its entirety with new local forces?
*Although this does of course partly explain why the SNP are getting away with a dismal domestic record.
Police Scotland are simply copying the incompetence of their English brethren, as outlined by me, ad nausea ...... see also the front page of yesterday’s Times.
Kidnapping somebody and holding them for three days before trying to cover up what had happened using even more highly illegal methods is - fortunately - not that common in England.
Ignoring multiple rapes and sexual assults and closing the cases when they have the evidence seems a lot worse to me
Labour are now more likely to direct venom at the SNP than at whatever latest xenophobe fest Farage has dreamed up.
Just as well they aren’t actually reading the news and focussing their fire intelligently.* This story is just beyond extraordinary (not least that the officers who carried out this kidnap face no charges):
In nine years, it’s difficult to think of anything to do with Police Scotland that hasn’t been an utter fiasco. At what point will the SNP admit Police Scotland has been the most epic law enforcement clusterfuck since the Keystone Cops and replace it in its entirety with new local forces?
*Although this does of course partly explain why the SNP are getting away with a dismal domestic record.
Police Scotland are simply copying the incompetence of their English brethren, as outlined by me, ad nausea ...... see also the front page of yesterday’s Times.
Kidnapping somebody and holding them for three days before trying to cover up what had happened using even more highly illegal methods is - fortunately - not that common in England.
Perhaps they were channeling the spirit of Sir Thomas Moore? I'm thinking of the embarrassing case of the chap who was found not guilty of heresy, but was errrr.... worked on to "save the bishops credit"
Possibly, although the Guildford Four/Birmingham Six would surely be better parallels.
However, it’s worrying if their procedures are over fifty years out of date.
You would be there for weeks if you were listing English police F*** ups and incompetence. maybe look a bit closer to home rather than trying the old "look a squirrel" tactics.
The FA should kick Liverpool out of the Cup and not let them back in until they have a new manager. He is an utter disgrace.
Utter disrespect for the FA cup. It will be interesting if action is taken against an increasingly arrogant Liverpool
Why should the FA Cup command respect? Or the League Cup or anything else.
If he doesn't respect the FA Cup then maybe the FA should try and make it worthy of respect rather than bemoan a lack of respect. Why should action be taken against Liverpool if they have other priorities?
Well fine, but Liverpool just shouldn't bother entering them if they feel that way.
Why? Let the Liverpool Reserves take on the game. It gives them experience, makes it a fairer match for the League One side and if Liverpool get through then the first team would take part in the Final if they get that far.
@stodge - the ridiculous thing about this is that no one minds too much Liverpool playing the squad players. They're still very good and it gives their opponents an outside chance. And no one would have moaned if Liverpool had played the same sort of team in the replay. But Klopp saying he won't turn up for the game is just bizarre.
Apparently the winter break heads of agreement precludes Liverpool's Premier League squad or their manager from playing/managing anywhere in the world during their two week winter break.
Is designed to stop Klopp from managing an all stars side made up of senior Liverpool playing for money during their break.
The FA should kick Liverpool out of the Cup and not let them back in until they have a new manager. He is an utter disgrace.
Utter disrespect for the FA cup. It will be interesting if action is taken against an increasingly arrogant Liverpool
What are you on about? You have to have sufficient respect for a competition you play in now? Klopp's being a whiner, but I don't see how whinging in turn about respect is a sensible response.
I am not winging.
I have always held the FA cup in high regard since I first watched it in the mid 50s.
Indeed I have been to 15 Man Utd finals over the years and one year my daughter and I slept on the Stretford End overnight to get our tickets
The FA should kick Liverpool out of the Cup and not let them back in until they have a new manager. He is an utter disgrace.
Utter disrespect for the FA cup. It will be interesting if action is taken against an increasingly arrogant Liverpool
What are you on about? You have to have sufficient respect for a competition you play in now? Klopp's being a whiner, but I don't see how whinging in turn about respect is a sensible response.
I am not winging.
I have always held the FA cup in high regard since I first watched it in the mid 50s.
Indeed I have been to 15 Man Utd finals over the years and one year my daughter and I slept on the Stretford End overnight to get our tickets
@TheScreamingEagles - you are not old enough to remember Christmas Day football, though the last time league games were played on consecutive days was 1994-95.
England don't lose because their players play too much football. They lose because they aren't good enough.
The FA should kick Liverpool out of the Cup and not let them back in until they have a new manager. He is an utter disgrace.
Utter disrespect for the FA cup. It will be interesting if action is taken against an increasingly arrogant Liverpool
What are you on about? You have to have sufficient respect for a competition you play in now? Klopp's being a whiner, but I don't see how whinging in turn about respect is a sensible response.
I am not winging.
I have always held the FA cup in high regard since I first watched it in the mid 50s.
Indeed I have been to 15 Man Utd finals over the years and one year my daughter and I slept on the Stretford End overnight to get our tickets
How upset were you when Manchester United pulled out of the 1999/00 FA Cup?
Labour are now more likely to direct venom at the SNP than at whatever latest xenophobe fest Farage has dreamed up.
Just as well they aren’t actually reading the news and focussing their fire intelligently.* This story is just beyond extraordinary (not least that the officers who carried out this kidnap face no charges):
In nine years, it’s difficult to think of anything to do with Police Scotland that hasn’t been an utter fiasco. At what point will the SNP admit Police Scotland has been the most epic law enforcement clusterfuck since the Keystone Cops and replace it in its entirety with new local forces?
*Although this does of course partly explain why the SNP are getting away with a dismal domestic record.
"Learning opportunities..."
LOL, why not regale us with the wonderful English police , next to no crimes solved , grooming gangs running amok all over the country, knife murders and stabbings just about the worst in the world. Go on I dare you.
Why do you assume I was making an anti-Scottish point? I would have made exactly the same post if I had read it in an article about an England based police force..
@TheScreamingEagles - you are not old enough to remember Christmas Day football, though the last time league games were played on consecutive days was 1994-95.
England don't lose because their players play too much football. They lose because they aren't good enough.
The FA should kick Liverpool out of the Cup and not let them back in until they have a new manager. He is an utter disgrace.
Utter disrespect for the FA cup. It will be interesting if action is taken against an increasingly arrogant Liverpool
What are you on about? You have to have sufficient respect for a competition you play in now? Klopp's being a whiner, but I don't see how whinging in turn about respect is a sensible response.
I am not winging.
I have always held the FA cup in high regard since I first watched it in the mid 50s.
Indeed I have been to 15 Man Utd finals over the years and one year my daughter and I slept on the Stretford End overnight to get our tickets
Saw 1917 tonight. Intense. Very good. Think the cinematography was good but didn’t quite live up to the hype. The impression was that it was in real time but it wasn’t. Did involve you though.
Brilliant performance by George MacKay.
I won't be bothering. Howard Jacobson once described Kubrick as 'all lens and no trousers'. I think it's a description that was actually a bit unfair in the case of Kubrick, but it applies perfectly to Sam Mendes.
It’s worth it. So much better than Joker. That was just depressingly bad.
The FA should kick Liverpool out of the Cup and not let them back in until they have a new manager. He is an utter disgrace.
Utter disrespect for the FA cup. It will be interesting if action is taken against an increasingly arrogant Liverpool
Why should the FA Cup command respect? Or the League Cup or anything else.
If he doesn't respect the FA Cup then maybe the FA should try and make it worthy of respect rather than bemoan a lack of respect. Why should action be taken against Liverpool if they have other priorities?
Well fine, but Liverpool just shouldn't bother entering them if they feel that way.
Why? Let the Liverpool Reserves take on the game. It gives them experience, makes it a fairer match for the League One side and if Liverpool get through then the first team would take part in the Final if they get that far.
With Klopp as manager, fine. It's his not showing up which is the problem.
Labour are now more likely to direct venom at the SNP than at whatever latest xenophobe fest Farage has dreamed up.
Surely if they were more like the Tories, educational standards would be rising?
The Gove/Cummings reforms seem to have resulted in more pupils leaving school with no qualifications.
Well before, they left school with qualifications that weren't worth the paper they were printed on, so the situation now is at least easier for employers and university admissions staff.
The FA should kick Liverpool out of the Cup and not let them back in until they have a new manager. He is an utter disgrace.
Utter disrespect for the FA cup. It will be interesting if action is taken against an increasingly arrogant Liverpool
What are you on about? You have to have sufficient respect for a competition you play in now? Klopp's being a whiner, but I don't see how whinging in turn about respect is a sensible response.
I am not winging.
I have always held the FA cup in high regard since I first watched it in the mid 50s.
Indeed I have been to 15 Man Utd finals over the years and one year my daughter and I slept on the Stretford End overnight to get our tickets
How upset were you when Manchester United pulled out of the 1999/00 FA Cup?
Labour are now more likely to direct venom at the SNP than at whatever latest xenophobe fest Farage has dreamed up.
I struggle to see why you would genuinely think it is amazing. Nationalist politics inspires a lot of hate, for and against their enemies, even if it is a milder nationalism than some since it is all about identity.
If you think Scottish Nationalism 'is all about identity' you really haven't being paying attention.
Yes, Scottish Nationalism is so much better than anyone else's nationalism.....
Look the brownshirts just cannot help themselves, give us some data on child deaths in England and why they are 250% higher than those in Scotland
@stodge - the ridiculous thing about this is that no one minds too much Liverpool playing the squad players. They're still very good and it gives their opponents an outside chance. And no one would have moaned if Liverpool had played the same sort of team in the replay. But Klopp saying he won't turn up for the game is just bizarre.
For many teams the Cup is a distraction. The financial benefit of for example promotion to the Premiership and the equivalent problems relegation back to the Championship causes weigh heavily.
Norwich are in Round 5 but would they trade a Cup run for Premiership survival? You'd have to ask Delia.
The FA should kick Liverpool out of the Cup and not let them back in until they have a new manager. He is an utter disgrace.
Utter disrespect for the FA cup. It will be interesting if action is taken against an increasingly arrogant Liverpool
What are you on about? You have to have sufficient respect for a competition you play in now? Klopp's being a whiner, but I don't see how whinging in turn about respect is a sensible response.
I am not winging.
I have always held the FA cup in high regard since I first watched it in the mid 50s.
Indeed I have been to 15 Man Utd finals over the years and one year my daughter and I slept on the Stretford End overnight to get our tickets
Labour are now more likely to direct venom at the SNP than at whatever latest xenophobe fest Farage has dreamed up.
Just as well they aren’t actually reading the news and focussing their fire intelligently.* This story is just beyond extraordinary (not least that the officers who carried out this kidnap face no charges):
In nine years, it’s difficult to think of anything to do with Police Scotland that hasn’t been an utter fiasco. At what point will the SNP admit Police Scotland has been the most epic law enforcement clusterfuck since the Keystone Cops and replace it in its entirety with new local forces?
*Although this does of course partly explain why the SNP are getting away with a dismal domestic record.
"Learning opportunities..."
LOL, why not regale us with the wonderful English police , next to no crimes solved , grooming gangs running amok all over the country, knife murders and stabbings just about the worst in the world. Go on I dare you.
Why do you assume I was making an anti-Scottish point? I would have made exactly the same post if I had read it in an article about an England based police force..
It was to the previous posters who were
We were trying to categorise the criminal stupidity of Police Scotland by referring to the various criminal stupidities of UK police forces. That's not anti-Scottish.
@stodge - the ridiculous thing about this is that no one minds too much Liverpool playing the squad players. They're still very good and it gives their opponents an outside chance. And no one would have moaned if Liverpool had played the same sort of team in the replay. But Klopp saying he won't turn up for the game is just bizarre.
For many teams the Cup is a distraction. The financial benefit of for example promotion to the Premiership and the equivalent problems relegation back to the Championship causes weigh heavily.
Norwich are in Round 5 but would they trade a Cup run for Premiership survival? You'd have to ask Delia.
Wigan won the cup and got relegated. I'd happily take that for Newcastle. Last trophy, 1969.
@stodge - the ridiculous thing about this is that no one minds too much Liverpool playing the squad players. They're still very good and it gives their opponents an outside chance. And no one would have moaned if Liverpool had played the same sort of team in the replay. But Klopp saying he won't turn up for the game is just bizarre.
For many teams the Cup is a distraction. The financial benefit of for example promotion to the Premiership and the equivalent problems relegation back to the Championship causes weigh heavily.
Norwich are in Round 5 but would they trade a Cup run for Premiership survival? You'd have to ask Delia.
In an ideal world, we'd take a decent chunk of the PL TV money and give it to the FA Cup to incentivise getting to R5/QFs over finishing a few places higher in the PL. But that's not going to happen.
I was at the Emirates the night Wigan were relegated from the PL three days after winning the FA Cup. I'm certain their fans wouldn't swap their Cup win for a few more PL seasons.
@stodge - the ridiculous thing about this is that no one minds too much Liverpool playing the squad players. They're still very good and it gives their opponents an outside chance. And no one would have moaned if Liverpool had played the same sort of team in the replay. But Klopp saying he won't turn up for the game is just bizarre.
For many teams the Cup is a distraction. The financial benefit of for example promotion to the Premiership and the equivalent problems relegation back to the Championship causes weigh heavily.
Norwich are in Round 5 but would they trade a Cup run for Premiership survival? You'd have to ask Delia.
Wigan won the cup and got relegated. I'd happily take that for Newcastle. Last trophy, 1969.
The FA should kick Liverpool out of the Cup and not let them back in until they have a new manager. He is an utter disgrace.
Utter disrespect for the FA cup. It will be interesting if action is taken against an increasingly arrogant Liverpool
Why should the FA Cup command respect? Or the League Cup or anything else.
If he doesn't respect the FA Cup then maybe the FA should try and make it worthy of respect rather than bemoan a lack of respect. Why should action be taken against Liverpool if they have other priorities?
Well fine, but Liverpool just shouldn't bother entering them if they feel that way.
Why? Let the Liverpool Reserves take on the game. It gives them experience, makes it a fairer match for the League One side and if Liverpool get through then the first team would take part in the Final if they get that far.
With Klopp as manager, fine. It's his not showing up which is the problem.
Why? He's not a one-man-band, Critchley has experience and works for the club too. Critchley probably has more experience of the players who'll be playing than Klopp does.
Labour are now more likely to direct venom at the SNP than at whatever latest xenophobe fest Farage has dreamed up.
I struggle to see why you would genuinely think it is amazing. Nationalist politics inspires a lot of hate, for and against their enemies, even if it is a milder nationalism than some since it is all about identity.
If you think Scottish Nationalism 'is all about identity' you really haven't being paying attention.
Yes, Scottish Nationalism is so much better than anyone else's nationalism.....
Look the brownshirts just cannot help themselves, give us some data on child deaths in England and why they are 250% higher than those in Scotland
They’re not. You’re telling porkies.
Scotland is lower and the decrease is large whilst England rises, I do not see you trumpeting that. You are keen to use any old numbers or fake news re Scotland, but seem reluctant to do any real comparisons with reality.
@stodge - the ridiculous thing about this is that no one minds too much Liverpool playing the squad players. They're still very good and it gives their opponents an outside chance. And no one would have moaned if Liverpool had played the same sort of team in the replay. But Klopp saying he won't turn up for the game is just bizarre.
For many teams the Cup is a distraction. The financial benefit of for example promotion to the Premiership and the equivalent problems relegation back to the Championship causes weigh heavily.
Norwich are in Round 5 but would they trade a Cup run for Premiership survival? You'd have to ask Delia.
Wigan won the cup and got relegated. I'd happily take that for Newcastle. Last trophy, 1969.
@stodge - the ridiculous thing about this is that no one minds too much Liverpool playing the squad players. They're still very good and it gives their opponents an outside chance. And no one would have moaned if Liverpool had played the same sort of team in the replay. But Klopp saying he won't turn up for the game is just bizarre.
For many teams the Cup is a distraction. The financial benefit of for example promotion to the Premiership and the equivalent problems relegation back to the Championship causes weigh heavily.
Norwich are in Round 5 but would they trade a Cup run for Premiership survival? You'd have to ask Delia.
Wigan won the cup and got relegated. I'd happily take that for Newcastle. Last trophy, 1969.
Labour are now more likely to direct venom at the SNP than at whatever latest xenophobe fest Farage has dreamed up.
Just as well they aren’t actually reading the news and focussing their fire intelligently.* This story is just beyond extraordinary (not least that the officers who carried out this kidnap face no charges):
In nine years, it’s difficult to think of anything to do with Police Scotland that hasn’t been an utter fiasco. At what point will the SNP admit Police Scotland has been the most epic law enforcement clusterfuck since the Keystone Cops and replace it in its entirety with new local forces?
*Although this does of course partly explain why the SNP are getting away with a dismal domestic record.
"Learning opportunities..."
LOL, why not regale us with the wonderful English police , next to no crimes solved , grooming gangs running amok all over the country, knife murders and stabbings just about the worst in the world. Go on I dare you.
Why do you assume I was making an anti-Scottish point? I would have made exactly the same post if I had read it in an article about an England based police force..
It was to the previous posters who were
We were trying to categorise the criminal stupidity of Police Scotland by referring to the various criminal stupidities of UK police forces. That's not anti-Scottish.
I merely said why the focus on only Scottish police force when others are significantly worse. It started as an anti - SNP comment and only pointed to Scotland whilst there are significantly bigger issues in English Police. A bit of balance maybe slagging the Tories as incompetent and some of the staggering F*** ups in England would perhaps have made it less unbalanced.
It's time to shit can the league cup and FA cup replays. That or give PL teams a bye into the 4th round instead. Give the league cup Europa League spot to sixth in the Premier League
I hate myself for agreeing with Klopp, but it's time to actually do something about fixture congestion. Other European leagues don't have this problem, only we do.
It's time to shit can the league cup and FA cup replays. That or give PL teams a bye into the 4th round instead. Give the league cup Europa League spot to sixth in the Premier League
I hate myself for agreeing with Klopp, but it's time to actually do something about fixture congestion. Other European leagues don't have this problem, only we do.
What fixture congestion? Congestion is when you have more games than weekends and midweeks; that is not the case here.
Labour are now more likely to direct venom at the SNP than at whatever latest xenophobe fest Farage has dreamed up.
I struggle to see why you would genuinely think it is amazing. Nationalist politics inspires a lot of hate, for and against their enemies, even if it is a milder nationalism than some since it is all about identity.
If you think Scottish Nationalism 'is all about identity' you really haven't being paying attention.
Yes, Scottish Nationalism is so much better than anyone else's nationalism.....
Look the brownshirts just cannot help themselves, give us some data on child deaths in England and why they are 250% higher than those in Scotland
It's time to shit can the league cup and FA cup replays. That or give PL teams a bye into the 4th round instead. Give the league cup Europa League spot to sixth in the Premier League
I hate myself for agreeing with Klopp, but it's time to actually do something about fixture congestion. Other European leagues don't have this problem, only we do.
My suggestion for the EFL Cup is to
1) Abolish the two legged semis
2) Bar the teams who have qualified for Europe from entry to that season's EFL Cup.
There's also an argument to be made that to protect the FA Cup replays we move the third round of the FA Cup to December.
It's time to shit can the league cup and FA cup replays. That or give PL teams a bye into the 4th round instead. Give the league cup Europa League spot to sixth in the Premier League
I hate myself for agreeing with Klopp, but it's time to actually do something about fixture congestion. Other European leagues don't have this problem, only we do.
In the old days, the Cup winners got a European entry into the Cup Winners Cup but that no longer exists.
As usual, I fundamentally disagree with you - I see no reason to make life easy for the top clubs who have deep squads and deeper pockets. It's much easier for them to play 60 games a season than it is a team like Oxford United.
I'd give the Cup winners the fourth Champions League slot and if said Cup winners are already there it should go to the losing finalists.
The FA should kick Liverpool out of the Cup and not let them back in until they have a new manager. He is an utter disgrace.
Utter disrespect for the FA cup. It will be interesting if action is taken against an increasingly arrogant Liverpool
What are you on about? You have to have sufficient respect for a competition you play in now? Klopp's being a whiner, but I don't see how whinging in turn about respect is a sensible response.
I am not winging.
I have always held the FA cup in high regard since I first watched it in the mid 50s.
Indeed I have been to 15 Man Utd finals over the years and one year my daughter and I slept on the Stretford End overnight to get our tickets
You don't think you're whinging, and I am free to believe otherwise. You hold it in high regard, fine, what does that have to do with anything? Klopp was being childish, but the anger at his displaying insufficient respect because of your own personal regard for the competition is absolutely whinging. He's not required to hold it in the same regard as you. That doesn't make him less childish in his comments, but I don't see what it is to do with you, or me, if he holds a different view, we're not arbiters of moral judgement.
Labour are now more likely to direct venom at the SNP than at whatever latest xenophobe fest Farage has dreamed up.
Just as well they aren’t actually reading the news and focussing their fire intelligently.* This story is just beyond extraordinary (not least that the officers who carried out this kidnap face no charges):
In nine years, it’s difficult to think of anything to do with Police Scotland that hasn’t been an utter fiasco. At what point will the SNP admit Police Scotland has been the most epic law enforcement clusterfuck since the Keystone Cops and replace it in its entirety with new local forces?
*Although this does of course partly explain why the SNP are getting away with a dismal domestic record.
LOL, why not regale us with the wonderful English police , next to no crimes solved , grooming gangs running amok all over the country, knife murders and stabbings just about the worst in the world. Go on I dare you.
Why do you assume I was making an anti-Scottish point? I would have made exactly the same post if I had read it in an article about an England based police force..
It was to the previous posters who were
We were trying to categorise the criminal stupidity of Police Scotland by referring to the various criminal stupidities of UK police forces. That's not anti-Scottish.
I merely said why the focus on only Scottish police force when others are significantly worse. It started as an anti - SNP comment and only pointed to Scotland whilst there are significantly bigger issues in English Police. A bit of balance maybe slagging the Tories as incompetent and some of the staggering F*** ups in England would perhaps have made it less unbalanced.
I would say that the evidence is that there is an even level of incompetence, criminality and lumpen stupidity through out the police forces of the UK. In particular, the "Lessons will be learned/Learning opportunities" bullshit is SOP for a UK police force when they fuck up.
Not sure what the big deal is about Liverpool not playing any senior players and Klopp not managing the team for the replay .
Liverpool’s priority is the League and Champions League .
Liverpool fans were prepared to lose (heavily) to Everton in the third round if it meant we won the league, Liverpool fans are going to back Klopp here.
We won't be confident about winning the league even if we're 29 points ahead of second place with 10 games to play.
It's time to shit can the league cup and FA cup replays. That or give PL teams a bye into the 4th round instead. Give the league cup Europa League spot to sixth in the Premier League
I hate myself for agreeing with Klopp, but it's time to actually do something about fixture congestion. Other European leagues don't have this problem, only we do.
My suggestion for the EFL Cup is to
1) Abolish the two legged semis
2) Bar the teams who have qualified for Europe from entry to that season's EFL Cup.
There's also an argument to be made that to protect the FA Cup replays we move the third round of the FA Cup to December.
Nah, 90 mins then pens works for an FA cup draw.
The Premier League needs to just not be in the league cup. I honestly don't care that the EFL just got some sponsorship deal with a dodgy Asian energy drinks company, it's their problem and the Premier League needs to handle it.
All of this is killing England's chances at major tournaments. Kane is probably not going to be fit, Rashford definitely won't be. The FA needs to decide whether the league cup is more important than England's chances of landing any kind of trophy. There no point in having two domestic cups.
It's time to shit can the league cup and FA cup replays. That or give PL teams a bye into the 4th round instead. Give the league cup Europa League spot to sixth in the Premier League
I hate myself for agreeing with Klopp, but it's time to actually do something about fixture congestion. Other European leagues don't have this problem, only we do.
In the old days, the Cup winners got a European entry into the Cup Winners Cup but that no longer exists.
As usual, I fundamentally disagree with you - I see no reason to make life easy for the top clubs who have deep squads and deeper pockets. It's much easier for them to play 60 games a season than it is a team like Oxford United.
I'd give the Cup winners the fourth Champions League slot and if said Cup winners are already there it should go to the losing finalists.
If they got rid of the league cup, I'd probably be ok with the fourth champions league spot going to the winner/loser of the FA cup. I think that's a fair compromise and it would massively increase the competitiveness of it. Look at how much more competitive the knock out stages of the Europa League has become since it got a winners champions league spot.
It's time to shit can the league cup and FA cup replays. That or give PL teams a bye into the 4th round instead. Give the league cup Europa League spot to sixth in the Premier League
I hate myself for agreeing with Klopp, but it's time to actually do something about fixture congestion. Other European leagues don't have this problem, only we do.
My suggestion for the EFL Cup is to
1) Abolish the two legged semis
2) Bar the teams who have qualified for Europe from entry to that season's EFL Cup.
There's also an argument to be made that to protect the FA Cup replays we move the third round of the FA Cup to December.
Nah, 90 mins then pens works for an FA cup draw.
The Premier League needs to just not be in the league cup. I honestly don't care that the EFL just got some sponsorship deal with a dodgy Asian energy drinks company, it's their problem and the Premier League needs to handle it.
All of this is killing England's chances at major tournaments. Kane is probably not going to be fit, Rashford definitely won't be. The FA needs to decide whether the league cup is more important than England's chances of landing any kind of trophy. There no point in having two domestic cups.
Works for me.
It is interesting that managers that come from the football powerhouses (and internationally successful countries) say we play too many games and it stops us winning international tournaments.
I mean what do the likes of Wenger, Conte, Guardiola, Ancelotti, and Klopp know?
Labour are now more likely to direct venom at the SNP than at whatever latest xenophobe fest Farage has dreamed up.
Just as well they aren’t actually reading the news and focussing their fire intelligently.* This story is just beyond extraordinary (not least that the officers who carried out this kidnap face no charges):
In nine years, it’s difficult to think of anything to do with Police Scotland that hasn’t been an utter fiasco. At what point will the SNP admit Police Scotland has been the most epic law enforcement clusterfuck since the Keystone Cops and replace it in its entirety with new local forces?
*Although this does of course partly explain why the SNP are getting away with a dismal domestic record.
"Learning opportunities..."
LOL, why not regale us with the wonderful English police , next to no crimes solved , grooming gangs running amok all over the country, knife murders and stabbings just about the worst in the world. Go on I dare you.
Why do you assume I was making an anti-Scottish point? I would have made exactly the same post if I had read it in an article about an England based police force..
It was to the previous posters who were
We were trying to categorise the criminal stupidity of Police Scotland by referring to the various criminal stupidities of UK police forces. That's not anti-Scottish.
I merely said why the focus on only Scottish police force when others are significantly worse. It started as an anti - SNP comment and only pointed to Scotland whilst there are significantly bigger issues in English Police. A bit of balance maybe slagging the Tories as incompetent and some of the staggering F*** ups in England would perhaps have made it less unbalanced.
It's time to shit can the league cup and FA cup replays. That or give PL teams a bye into the 4th round instead. Give the league cup Europa League spot to sixth in the Premier League
I hate myself for agreeing with Klopp, but it's time to actually do something about fixture congestion. Other European leagues don't have this problem, only we do.
My suggestion for the EFL Cup is to
1) Abolish the two legged semis
2) Bar the teams who have qualified for Europe from entry to that season's EFL Cup.
There's also an argument to be made that to protect the FA Cup replays we move the third round of the FA Cup to December.
Nah, 90 mins then pens works for an FA cup draw.
The Premier League needs to just not be in the league cup. I honestly don't care that the EFL just got some sponsorship deal with a dodgy Asian energy drinks company, it's their problem and the Premier League needs to handle it.
All of this is killing England's chances at major tournaments. Kane is probably not going to be fit, Rashford definitely won't be. The FA needs to decide whether the league cup is more important than England's chances of landing any kind of trophy. There no point in having two domestic cups.
Works for me.
It is interesting that managers that come from the football powerhouses (and internationally successful countries) say we play too many games and it stops us winning international tournaments.
I mean what do the likes of Wenger, Conte, Guardiola, Ancelotti, and Klopp know?
Leave Wenger out of this. That man has won more FA Cups than any other manager.
It's time to shit can the league cup and FA cup replays. That or give PL teams a bye into the 4th round instead. Give the league cup Europa League spot to sixth in the Premier League
I hate myself for agreeing with Klopp, but it's time to actually do something about fixture congestion. Other European leagues don't have this problem, only we do.
My suggestion for the EFL Cup is to
1) Abolish the two legged semis
2) Bar the teams who have qualified for Europe from entry to that season's EFL Cup.
There's also an argument to be made that to protect the FA Cup replays we move the third round of the FA Cup to December.
It's time to shit can the league cup and FA cup replays. That or give PL teams a bye into the 4th round instead. Give the league cup Europa League spot to sixth in the Premier League
I hate myself for agreeing with Klopp, but it's time to actually do something about fixture congestion. Other European leagues don't have this problem, only we do.
My suggestion for the EFL Cup is to
1) Abolish the two legged semis
2) Bar the teams who have qualified for Europe from entry to that season's EFL Cup.
There's also an argument to be made that to protect the FA Cup replays we move the third round of the FA Cup to December.
Nah, 90 mins then pens works for an FA cup draw.
The Premier League needs to just not be in the league cup. I honestly don't care that the EFL just got some sponsorship deal with a dodgy Asian energy drinks company, it's their problem and the Premier League needs to handle it.
All of this is killing England's chances at major tournaments. Kane is probably not going to be fit, Rashford definitely won't be. The FA needs to decide whether the league cup is more important than England's chances of landing any kind of trophy. There no point in having two domestic cups.
Works for me.
It is interesting that managers that come from the football powerhouses (and internationally successful countries) say we play too many games and it stops us winning international tournaments.
I mean what do the likes of Wenger, Conte, Guardiola, Ancelotti, and Klopp know?
Leave Wenger out of this. That man has won more FA Cups than any other manager.
But no one wants to get rid of the fa cup, in fact making it the only domestic trophy will probably help it be taken more seriously by managers, especially if the FA and PL agreed that the compromise will be a winners champions league spot.
News here in the US is reporting that the five dead in the Calabasas helicopter crash were Kobe Bryant, his 13-year-old daughter Gianna, a teammate of Gianna, one of the teammate’s parents and the helicopter pilot.
Reportedly they were flying to a game Gianna and her teammate were due to be playing in. The aircraft went down in very foggy conditions.
It's time to shit can the league cup and FA cup replays. That or give PL teams a bye into the 4th round instead. Give the league cup Europa League spot to sixth in the Premier League
I hate myself for agreeing with Klopp, but it's time to actually do something about fixture congestion. Other European leagues don't have this problem, only we do.
My suggestion for the EFL Cup is to
1) Abolish the two legged semis
2) Bar the teams who have qualified for Europe from entry to that season's EFL Cup.
There's also an argument to be made that to protect the FA Cup replays we move the third round of the FA Cup to December.
Nah, 90 mins then pens works for an FA cup draw.
The Premier League needs to just not be in the league cup. I honestly don't care that the EFL just got some sponsorship deal with a dodgy Asian energy drinks company, it's their problem and the Premier League needs to handle it.
All of this is killing England's chances at major tournaments. Kane is probably not going to be fit, Rashford definitely won't be. The FA needs to decide whether the league cup is more important than England's chances of landing any kind of trophy. There no point in having two domestic cups.
Works for me.
It is interesting that managers that come from the football powerhouses (and internationally successful countries) say we play too many games and it stops us winning international tournaments.
I mean what do the likes of Wenger, Conte, Guardiola, Ancelotti, and Klopp know?
Leave Wenger out of this. That man has won more FA Cups than any other manager.
But no one wants to get rid of the fa cup, in fact making it the only domestic trophy will probably help it be taken more seriously by managers, especially if the FA and PL agreed that the compromise will be a winners champions league spot.
You're living in cloud cuckoo land if you think the PL will give up a CL spot.
The FA should kick Liverpool out of the Cup and not let them back in until they have a new manager. He is an utter disgrace.
Utter disrespect for the FA cup. It will be interesting if action is taken against an increasingly arrogant Liverpool
What are you on about? You have to have sufficient respect for a competition you play in now? Klopp's being a whiner, but I don't see how whinging in turn about respect is a sensible response.
I am not winging.
I have always held the FA cup in high regard since I first watched it in the mid 50s.
Indeed I have been to 15 Man Utd finals over the years and one year my daughter and I slept on the Stretford End overnight to get our tickets
You don't think you're whinging, and I am free to believe otherwise. You hold it in high regard, fine, what does that have to do with anything? Klopp was being childish, but the anger at his displaying insufficient respect because of your own personal regard for the competition is absolutely whinging. He's not required to hold it in the same regard as you. That doesn't make him less childish in his comments, but I don't see what it is to do with you, or me, if he holds a different view, we're not arbiters of moral judgement.
He is required to respect the other teams and supporters and to be honest, he should have done what Man Utd did in 2000 and withdraw, as they too had to play in the World Club Final and did just that
Labour are now more likely to direct venom at the SNP than at whatever latest xenophobe fest Farage has dreamed up.
I struggle to see why you would genuinely think it is amazing. Nationalist politics inspires a lot of hate, for and against their enemies, even if it is a milder nationalism than some since it is all about identity.
If you think Scottish Nationalism 'is all about identity' you really haven't being paying attention.
Yes, Scottish Nationalism is so much better than anyone else's nationalism.....
Look the brownshirts just cannot help themselves, give us some data on child deaths in England and why they are 250% higher than those in Scotland
It's time to shit can the league cup and FA cup replays. That or give PL teams a bye into the 4th round instead. Give the league cup Europa League spot to sixth in the Premier League
I hate myself for agreeing with Klopp, but it's time to actually do something about fixture congestion. Other European leagues don't have this problem, only we do.
My suggestion for the EFL Cup is to
1) Abolish the two legged semis
2) Bar the teams who have qualified for Europe from entry to that season's EFL Cup.
There's also an argument to be made that to protect the FA Cup replays we move the third round of the FA Cup to December.
Nah, 90 mins then pens works for an FA cup draw.
The Premier League needs to just not be in the league cup. I honestly don't care that the EFL just got some sponsorship deal with a dodgy Asian energy drinks company, it's their problem and the Premier League needs to handle it.
All of this is killing England's chances at major tournaments. Kane is probably not going to be fit, Rashford definitely won't be. The FA needs to decide whether the league cup is more important than England's chances of landing any kind of trophy. There no point in having two domestic cups.
Works for me.
It is interesting that managers that come from the football powerhouses (and internationally successful countries) say we play too many games and it stops us winning international tournaments.
I mean what do the likes of Wenger, Conte, Guardiola, Ancelotti, and Klopp know?
Leave Wenger out of this. That man has won more FA Cups than any other manager.
But no one wants to get rid of the fa cup, in fact making it the only domestic trophy will probably help it be taken more seriously by managers, especially if the FA and PL agreed that the compromise will be a winners champions league spot.
Kick the prima donnas out of it and let the real football teams contest it.
Labour are now more likely to direct venom at the SNP than at whatever latest xenophobe fest Farage has dreamed up.
I struggle to see why you would genuinely think it is amazing. Nationalist politics inspires a lot of hate, for and against their enemies, even if it is a milder nationalism than some since it is all about identity.
If you think Scottish Nationalism 'is all about identity' you really haven't being paying attention.
Yes, Scottish Nationalism is so much better than anyone else's nationalism.....
Look the brownshirts just cannot help themselves, give us some data on child deaths in England and why they are 250% higher than those in Scotland
Labour are now more likely to direct venom at the SNP than at whatever latest xenophobe fest Farage has dreamed up.
I struggle to see why you would genuinely think it is amazing. Nationalist politics inspires a lot of hate, for and against their enemies, even if it is a milder nationalism than some since it is all about identity.
If you think Scottish Nationalism 'is all about identity' you really haven't being paying attention.
Yes, Scottish Nationalism is so much better than anyone else's nationalism.....
Look the brownshirts just cannot help themselves, give us some data on child deaths in England and why they are 250% higher than those in Scotland
Labour are now more likely to direct venom at the SNP than at whatever latest xenophobe fest Farage has dreamed up.
I struggle to see why you would genuinely think it is amazing. Nationalist politics inspires a lot of hate, for and against their enemies, even if it is a milder nationalism than some since it is all about identity.
If you think Scottish Nationalism 'is all about identity' you really haven't being paying attention.
Yes, Scottish Nationalism is so much better than anyone else's nationalism.....
Look the brownshirts just cannot help themselves, give us some data on child deaths in England and why they are 250% higher than those in Scotland
Labour are now more likely to direct venom at the SNP than at whatever latest xenophobe fest Farage has dreamed up.
I struggle to see why you would genuinely think it is amazing. Nationalist politics inspires a lot of hate, for and against their enemies, even if it is a milder nationalism than some since it is all about identity.
If you think Scottish Nationalism 'is all about identity' you really haven't being paying attention.
Yes, Scottish Nationalism is so much better than anyone else's nationalism.....
Look the brownshirts just cannot help themselves, give us some data on child deaths in England and why they are 250% higher than those in Scotland
Labour are now more likely to direct venom at the SNP than at whatever latest xenophobe fest Farage has dreamed up.
I struggle to see why you would genuinely think it is amazing. Nationalist politics inspires a lot of hate, for and against their enemies, even if it is a milder nationalism than some since it is all about identity.
If you think Scottish Nationalism 'is all about identity' you really haven't being paying attention.
Yes, Scottish Nationalism is so much better than anyone else's nationalism.....
Look the brownshirts just cannot help themselves, give us some data on child deaths in England and why they are 250% higher than those in Scotland
It's time to shit can the league cup and FA cup replays. That or give PL teams a bye into the 4th round instead. Give the league cup Europa League spot to sixth in the Premier League
I hate myself for agreeing with Klopp, but it's time to actually do something about fixture congestion. Other European leagues don't have this problem, only we do.
My suggestion for the EFL Cup is to
1) Abolish the two legged semis
2) Bar the teams who have qualified for Europe from entry to that season's EFL Cup.
There's also an argument to be made that to protect the FA Cup replays we move the third round of the FA Cup to December.
Is there any point to the EFL Cup when we already have the FA Cup?
It's time to shit can the league cup and FA cup replays. That or give PL teams a bye into the 4th round instead. Give the league cup Europa League spot to sixth in the Premier League
I hate myself for agreeing with Klopp, but it's time to actually do something about fixture congestion. Other European leagues don't have this problem, only we do.
My suggestion for the EFL Cup is to
1) Abolish the two legged semis
2) Bar the teams who have qualified for Europe from entry to that season's EFL Cup.
There's also an argument to be made that to protect the FA Cup replays we move the third round of the FA Cup to December.
Is there any point to the EFL Cup when we already have the FA Cup?
Labour are now more likely to direct venom at the SNP than at whatever latest xenophobe fest Farage has dreamed up.
I struggle to see why you would genuinely think it is amazing. Nationalist politics inspires a lot of hate, for and against their enemies, even if it is a milder nationalism than some since it is all about identity.
If you think Scottish Nationalism 'is all about identity' you really haven't being paying attention.
Yes, Scottish Nationalism is so much better than anyone else's nationalism.....
Look the brownshirts just cannot help themselves, give us some data on child deaths in England and why they are 250% higher than those in Scotland
Labour are now more likely to direct venom at the SNP than at whatever latest xenophobe fest Farage has dreamed up.
I struggle to see why you would genuinely think it is amazing. Nationalist politics inspires a lot of hate, for and against their enemies, even if it is a milder nationalism than some since it is all about identity.
If you think Scottish Nationalism 'is all about identity' you really haven't being paying attention.
Yes, Scottish Nationalism is so much better than anyone else's nationalism.....
Look the brownshirts just cannot help themselves, give us some data on child deaths in England and why they are 250% higher than those in Scotland
Labour are now more likely to direct venom at the SNP than at whatever latest xenophobe fest Farage has dreamed up.
I struggle to see why you would genuinely think it is amazing. Nationalist politics inspires a lot of hate, for and against their enemies, even if it is a milder nationalism than some since it is all about identity.
If you think Scottish Nationalism 'is all about identity' you really haven't being paying attention.
Yes, Scottish Nationalism is so much better than anyone else's nationalism.....
Look the brownshirts just cannot help themselves, give us some data on child deaths in England and why they are 250% higher than those in Scotland
"ministers are poised to allow Huawei, effectively China’s state-owned tech company, to play a central role in the development of Britain’s 5G network. This technology is not, as some say, simply the next generation for mobile phones. It will be at the heart of everything we do – in life at home, commerce, public services and our national security – for years to come."
There should be a Royal Commission into why we don't have the capacity, with alliances with other Western countries, to develop 5G at the same time as the Chinese.
"ministers are poised to allow Huawei, effectively China’s state-owned tech company, to play a central role in the development of Britain’s 5G network. This technology is not, as some say, simply the next generation for mobile phones. It will be at the heart of everything we do – in life at home, commerce, public services and our national security – for years to come."
Labour are now more likely to direct venom at the SNP than at whatever latest xenophobe fest Farage has dreamed up.
I struggle to see why you would genuinely think it is amazing. Nationalist politics inspires a lot of hate, for and against their enemies, even if it is a milder nationalism than some since it is all about identity.
If you think Scottish Nationalism 'is all about identity' you really haven't being paying attention.
Yes, Scottish Nationalism is so much better than anyone else's nationalism.....
Look the brownshirts just cannot help themselves, give us some data on child deaths in England and why they are 250% higher than those in Scotland
Both reports do not show that child deaths are 250% higher in England Vs Scotland.
Incidentally, the Nuffield report you link to is using the ONS data for England, Scotland and Wales.
What I mentioned was in a tweet but cannot find it , I think it was the drop in last year rather than overall number. England is rising I believe whilst Scotland is dropping significantly over recent years. I was taunting Carlotta as she constantly pushes lies about SNP and NHS in Scotland. As you will have seen she disappeared quickly.
We should reject Huawei, and accept that 5G will be years late in the UK.
And then ask ourselves long and deeply why we can't develop next gen Internet technology in the country that invented the computer.
A huge part of the equation is Huawei being able to undercut Western companies due to Chinese government subsidies. It's completely crazy that we're going to allow it, but speaks volumes about the complete c***s in the civil service that are pushing to approve it.
We should reject Huawei, and accept that 5G will be years late in the UK.
And then ask ourselves long and deeply why we can't develop next gen Internet technology in the country that invented the computer.
A huge part of the equation is Huawei being able to undercut Western companies due to Chinese government subsidies. It's completely crazy that we're going to allow it, but speaks volumes about the complete c***s in the civil service that are pushing to approve it.
Of course it’s the civil service’s fault and not the government’s. Jesus wept.
It's time to shit can the league cup and FA cup replays. That or give PL teams a bye into the 4th round instead. Give the league cup Europa League spot to sixth in the Premier League
I hate myself for agreeing with Klopp, but it's time to actually do something about fixture congestion. Other European leagues don't have this problem, only we do.
My suggestion for the EFL Cup is to
1) Abolish the two legged semis
2) Bar the teams who have qualified for Europe from entry to that season's EFL Cup.
There's also an argument to be made that to protect the FA Cup replays we move the third round of the FA Cup to December.
Is there any point to the EFL Cup when we already have the FA Cup?
They had a soft Brexit handed to them on a platter, but they still voted it down.
Why is that funny? The Brexiteers own the result. The negative consequences are theirs to deal with.
It's funny because all the action in Parliament was about preventing Brexit (or a hard Brexit, if you are charitable). They've ended up even closer to that result than they would have had they voted for May's deal.
Labour are now more likely to direct venom at the SNP than at whatever latest xenophobe fest Farage has dreamed up.
I struggle to see why you would genuinely think it is amazing. Nationalist politics inspires a lot of hate, for and against their enemies, even if it is a milder nationalism than some since it is all about identity.
If you think Scottish Nationalism 'is all about identity' you really haven't being paying attention.
Yes, Scottish Nationalism is so much better than anyone else's nationalism.....
Look the brownshirts just cannot help themselves, give us some data on child deaths in England and why they are 250% higher than those in Scotland
Both reports do not show that child deaths are 250% higher in England Vs Scotland.
Incidentally, the Nuffield report you link to is using the ONS data for England, Scotland and Wales.
What I mentioned was in a tweet but cannot find it , I think it was the drop in last year rather than overall number. England is rising I believe whilst Scotland is dropping significantly over recent years. I was taunting Carlotta as she constantly pushes lies about SNP and NHS in Scotland. As you will have seen she disappeared quickly.
The differences between the countries are mostly statistical noise. The changes over time are very much in step with each other.
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Is designed to stop Klopp from managing an all stars side made up of senior Liverpool playing for money during their break.
He's sticking to the agreement.
I have always held the FA cup in high regard since I first watched it in the mid 50s.
Indeed I have been to 15 Man Utd finals over the years and one year my daughter and I slept on the Stretford End overnight to get our tickets
England don't lose because their players play too much football. They lose because they aren't good enough.
Let's send it to them as a big pile of 50p pieces"
Bozo's Brexit.
Norwich are in Round 5 but would they trade a Cup run for Premiership survival? You'd have to ask Delia.
Both Sky and BBC are guilty of far too much coverage of US politics.
The BBC even continuing their 'beyond 100 days' news programme co hosted with a US presenter from Washington
And they wonder why we are so exasperated with them
I was at the Emirates the night Wigan were relegated from the PL three days after winning the FA Cup. I'm certain their fans wouldn't swap their Cup win for a few more PL seasons.
I hate myself for agreeing with Klopp, but it's time to actually do something about fixture congestion. Other European leagues don't have this problem, only we do.
1) Abolish the two legged semis
2) Bar the teams who have qualified for Europe from entry to that season's EFL Cup.
There's also an argument to be made that to protect the FA Cup replays we move the third round of the FA Cup to December.
As usual, I fundamentally disagree with you - I see no reason to make life easy for the top clubs who have deep squads and deeper pockets. It's much easier for them to play 60 games a season than it is a team like Oxford United.
I'd give the Cup winners the fourth Champions League slot and if said Cup winners are already there it should go to the losing finalists.
Liverpool’s priority is the League and Champions League .
We won't be confident about winning the league even if we're 29 points ahead of second place with 10 games to play.
The Premier League needs to just not be in the league cup. I honestly don't care that the EFL just got some sponsorship deal with a dodgy Asian energy drinks company, it's their problem and the Premier League needs to handle it.
All of this is killing England's chances at major tournaments. Kane is probably not going to be fit, Rashford definitely won't be. The FA needs to decide whether the league cup is more important than England's chances of landing any kind of trophy. There no point in having two domestic cups.
It is interesting that managers that come from the football powerhouses (and internationally successful countries) say we play too many games and it stops us winning international tournaments.
I mean what do the likes of Wenger, Conte, Guardiola, Ancelotti, and Klopp know?
Reportedly they were flying to a game Gianna and her teammate were due to be playing in. The aircraft went down in very foggy conditions.
"this is the latest release"?
https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/infant-and-neonatal-mortality
Incidentally, the Nuffield report you link to is using the ONS data for England, Scotland and Wales.
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1221527616928276480
https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1221527951784714248
Useful idiots.
"ministers are poised to allow Huawei, effectively China’s state-owned tech company, to play a central role in the development of Britain’s 5G network. This technology is not, as some say, simply the next generation for mobile phones. It will be at the heart of everything we do – in life at home, commerce, public services and our national security – for years to come."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/26/handing-5g-network-huawei-would-generation-defining-error/
And then ask ourselves long and deeply why we can't develop next gen Internet technology in the country that invented the computer.
What on earth are we thinking?
I was taunting Carlotta as she constantly pushes lies about SNP and NHS in Scotland. As you will have seen she disappeared quickly.
Jesus wept.