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  • I was wondering why we hadn't heard from this imbecile for a while.

    https://twitter.com/GeorgeMRyan/status/1220338857973075969?s=20

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    edited January 2020

    I was wondering why we hadn't heard from this imbecile for a while.

    https://twitter.com/GeorgeMRyan/status/1220338857973075969?s=20

    Context, he is the only MP born in Poland and his great uncle sheltered Jews in Poland and he thinks Germany should pay reparations to Poland
    https://twitter.com/DKShrewsbury/status/1220449608817696796?s=20
    Plus
    https://twitter.com/GeorgeMRyan/status/1220339395510906881?s=20
  • @HYUFD

    Do Wales vote in the labour leader contest?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148

    @HYUFD

    Do Wales vote in the labour leader contest?

    If they are Labour Party members
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    kicorse said:





    Justin is a bigot.

    I don’t hate him. I don’t know him.

    But a bigot he is.

    kicorse said:





    I made it clear at the time that I strongly disagreed with Justin. However, I am capable of strongly disagreeing with people without hating them. And as I also said at the time, I strongly dislike mob-mentality.

    Your comments betray a deep prejudice towards religious people, along with a self-righteousness that makes you unable to see that prejudice. I felt it necessary to challenge your views, because others were challenging Justin's views but nobody was challenging yours.
    Justin is a bigot.

    I don’t hate him. I don’t know him.

    But a bigot he is.

    kicorse said:



    Bizarre post.

    We entered the twilight zone earlier this week where Labour posters (Labour!) were defending Justin for withdrawing his vote from Nandy because he’d learned that she is an unmarried mum.

    This really is FFS stuff. It’s prejudice, pure and simple, and utterly inexcusable. Yet the likes of @NickPalmer seemed to think it fine, and you, too, it seems.

    I made it clear at the time that I strongly disagreed with Justin. However, I am capable of strongly disagreeing with people without hating them. And as I also said at the time, I strongly dislike mob-mentality.

    Your comments betray a deep prejudice towards religious people, along with a self-righteousness that makes you unable to see that prejudice. I felt it necessary to challenge your views, because others were challenging Justin's views but nobody was challenging yours.
    Justin is a bigot.

    I don’t hate him. I don’t know him.

    But a bigot he is.
    But I have been consistent in my views! If I am a bigot - and I doubt that I am - I was a bigot in the 1970s when my views were shared by a significant proprtion of the population. Why should I change my views just because other people come along and decide that the acceptable conventional morality on these matters has now changed?I have never held racist or homophobic views - therefore the need to change does not arise. I am not persuaded that the single sex adoption of infants by male parents is a good idea - simply because I believe a young child does need a mother figure.Beyond that, I do not have strong views re- same sex relationships.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,121
    edited January 2020
    Peak Gruardian...apparently it is now fat shaming to comment on if a professional althelete is out of shape. It is one thing to point and laugh at some random person in the street who is over weight, but it is now apparently a no-no to discuss if the most hyped basketball of a generation, who has had a number of big injuries already in his career, is perhaps carrying extra ballast.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2020/jan/23/zion-williamson-body-shaming-nba-debut
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,127

    Is there a religion (any religion) around that encourages people to fuck like rabbits from the moment they first set eyes on each other?

    Not quite, although :

    i) A church that does not condemn sex between unmarried people is Quakerism
    ii) A cult that uses sex as a form of prosletysing is The (former) Children of God

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flirty_Fishing
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fornication
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family_International

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,219
    HYUFD said:

    I was wondering why we hadn't heard from this imbecile for a while.

    https://twitter.com/GeorgeMRyan/status/1220338857973075969?s=20

    Context, he is the only MP born in Poland and his great uncle sheltered Jews in Poland and he thinks Germany should pay reparations to Poland
    https://twitter.com/DKShrewsbury/status/1220449608817696796?s=20
    Plus
    https://twitter.com/GeorgeMRyan/status/1220339395510906881?s=20
    The Poles were a lot more efficient at rounding up their Jews than many other occupied countries. His family may have been blameless, but the record of the Poles vs - say - the Italians or the Danes is not good.
  • rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    I was wondering why we hadn't heard from this imbecile for a while.

    https://twitter.com/GeorgeMRyan/status/1220338857973075969?s=20

    Context, he is the only MP born in Poland and his great uncle sheltered Jews in Poland and he thinks Germany should pay reparations to Poland
    https://twitter.com/DKShrewsbury/status/1220449608817696796?s=20
    Plus
    https://twitter.com/GeorgeMRyan/status/1220339395510906881?s=20
    The Poles were a lot more efficient at rounding up their Jews than many other occupied countries. His family may have been blameless, but the record of the Poles vs - say - the Italians or the Danes is not good.
    Citation needed
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,219
    edited January 2020

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    I was wondering why we hadn't heard from this imbecile for a while.

    https://twitter.com/GeorgeMRyan/status/1220338857973075969?s=20

    Context, he is the only MP born in Poland and his great uncle sheltered Jews in Poland and he thinks Germany should pay reparations to Poland
    https://twitter.com/DKShrewsbury/status/1220449608817696796?s=20
    Plus
    https://twitter.com/GeorgeMRyan/status/1220339395510906881?s=20
    The Poles were a lot more efficient at rounding up their Jews than many other occupied countries. His family may have been blameless, but the record of the Poles vs - say - the Italians or the Danes is not good.
    Citation needed
    Here you go: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/estimated-number-of-jews-killed-in-the-final-solution

    2% of Danish Jews were killed
    13% of Italian Jews were killed
    21% of Estonian
    22% of French
    34% of Romanain
    90% of Polish
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,219
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    I was wondering why we hadn't heard from this imbecile for a while.

    https://twitter.com/GeorgeMRyan/status/1220338857973075969?s=20

    Context, he is the only MP born in Poland and his great uncle sheltered Jews in Poland and he thinks Germany should pay reparations to Poland
    https://twitter.com/DKShrewsbury/status/1220449608817696796?s=20
    Plus
    https://twitter.com/GeorgeMRyan/status/1220339395510906881?s=20
    The Poles were a lot more efficient at rounding up their Jews than many other occupied countries. His family may have been blameless, but the record of the Poles vs - say - the Italians or the Danes is not good.
    Citation needed
    Here you go: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/estimated-number-of-jews-killed-in-the-final-solution

    2% of Danish Jews were killed
    13% of Italian Jews were killed
    21% of Estonian
    22% of French
    34% of Romainian
    90% of Jewish
    According to Yad Vashem, which is the Israeli Holocaust Authority, Polish Jews were by far the most likely to be killed in the Holocaust.
  • For all the pb consensus that RLB is a muppet, she has shortened overnight on Betfair, with Nandy drifting.
    KS 1.45
    RLB 5.3
    LN 8.4
  • Squeaky bum time for Yang layers as an Emerson poll puts him in 4th place on 8 per cent (or top also-ran).
    #YangSurge on Twitter (whatever that means).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,230
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    I was wondering why we hadn't heard from this imbecile for a while.

    https://twitter.com/GeorgeMRyan/status/1220338857973075969?s=20

    Context, he is the only MP born in Poland and his great uncle sheltered Jews in Poland and he thinks Germany should pay reparations to Poland
    https://twitter.com/DKShrewsbury/status/1220449608817696796?s=20
    Plus
    https://twitter.com/GeorgeMRyan/status/1220339395510906881?s=20
    The Poles were a lot more efficient at rounding up their Jews than many other occupied countries. His family may have been blameless, but the record of the Poles vs - say - the Italians or the Danes is not good.
    Citation needed
    Here you go: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/estimated-number-of-jews-killed-in-the-final-solution

    2% of Danish Jews were killed
    13% of Italian Jews were killed
    21% of Estonian
    22% of French
    34% of Romanain
    90% of Polish
    Yes, but as Timothy Snyder argues quite convincingly, the proportion of Jews murdered in each country related directly to the extent to which the state institutions had been destroyed - and Poland’s of course, had been destroyed twice over, first by the Soviets.

    The figure for Lithuania was close to 100%. (Though a very large number of the Baltic Jews had fled to the Soviet Union ahead of the Nazi occupation, which might skew the figures you cite).

    Collaboration with the Holocaust appears to have more to do with the extremity of conditions created within a country than any particular level of local antisemitism. And, of course, the capacity to resist was much greater in (for instance) Denmark or France where the Nazis left pre occupation institutions in place.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,230
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    I was wondering why we hadn't heard from this imbecile for a while.

    https://twitter.com/GeorgeMRyan/status/1220338857973075969?s=20

    Context, he is the only MP born in Poland and his great uncle sheltered Jews in Poland and he thinks Germany should pay reparations to Poland
    https://twitter.com/DKShrewsbury/status/1220449608817696796?s=20
    Plus
    https://twitter.com/GeorgeMRyan/status/1220339395510906881?s=20
    The Poles were a lot more efficient at rounding up their Jews than many other occupied countries. His family may have been blameless, but the record of the Poles vs - say - the Italians or the Danes is not good.
    Citation needed
    Here you go: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/estimated-number-of-jews-killed-in-the-final-solution

    2% of Danish Jews were killed
    13% of Italian Jews were killed
    21% of Estonian
    22% of French
    34% of Romanain
    90% of Polish
    The point is further made by the figure for Germany -25%:
    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/holocaust-remembrance-day/the-holocaust-facts-and-figures-1.5298803
  • Gabs3Gabs3 Posts: 836
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    I was wondering why we hadn't heard from this imbecile for a while.

    https://twitter.com/GeorgeMRyan/status/1220338857973075969?s=20

    Context, he is the only MP born in Poland and his great uncle sheltered Jews in Poland and he thinks Germany should pay reparations to Poland
    https://twitter.com/DKShrewsbury/status/1220449608817696796?s=20
    Plus
    https://twitter.com/GeorgeMRyan/status/1220339395510906881?s=20
    The Poles were a lot more efficient at rounding up their Jews than many other occupied countries. His family may have been blameless, but the record of the Poles vs - say - the Italians or the Danes is not good.
    Citation needed
    Here you go: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/estimated-number-of-jews-killed-in-the-final-solution

    2% of Danish Jews were killed
    13% of Italian Jews were killed
    21% of Estonian
    22% of French
    34% of Romainian
    90% of Jewish
    According to Yad Vashem, which is the Israeli Holocaust Authority, Polish Jews were by far the most likely to be killed in the Holocaust.
    Because the Nazis decimated Poland and put Poland under incredibly harsh occupation. It wasn't a collaborationist government. It was Nazi military rule with Germans in every position of power.

    The reason the number for Germany was lower is because there was lots of forewarning and many Jews left in mid-1930s. Polish Jews barely had time to react.
  • Gabs3Gabs3 Posts: 836
    Interesting.
    Truss’ visit also saw the launch of a public consultation in relation to the proposed trade deal, which will run until Nov. 4. The trade minister reiterated London’s interest in joining the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement, a massive 11-member trade deal that Japan helped spearhead, which is now called the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership, or CPTPP.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,627
    Gabs3 said:

    Interesting.

    Truss’ visit also saw the launch of a public consultation in relation to the proposed trade deal, which will run until Nov. 4. The trade minister reiterated London’s interest in joining the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement, a massive 11-member trade deal that Japan helped spearhead, which is now called the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership, or CPTPP.

    It’s quite possible that we will see pretty much the whole of the developed world (bar the USA and the EU) eventually signed up to this trade agreement. Good to hear this from Mrs Truss, who is exactly the sort of minister we want in the trade department.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    edited January 2020
    Sandpit said:

    Gabs3 said:

    Interesting.

    Truss’ visit also saw the launch of a public consultation in relation to the proposed trade deal, which will run until Nov. 4. The trade minister reiterated London’s interest in joining the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement, a massive 11-member trade deal that Japan helped spearhead, which is now called the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership, or CPTPP.
    It’s quite possible that we will see pretty much the whole of the developed world (bar the USA and the EU) eventually signed up to this trade agreement. Good to hear this from Mrs Truss, who is exactly the sort of minister we want in the trade department.
    Because she’s very cheesed off?

    Sorry, not sorry.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    justin124 said:

    kicorse said:





    Justin is a bigot.

    I don’t hate him. I don’t know him.

    But a bigot he is.

    kicorse said:





    I made it clear at the time that I strongly disagreed with Justin. However, I am capable of strongly disagreeing with people without hating them. And as I also said at the time, I strongly dislike mob-mentality.

    Your comments betray a deep prejudice towards religious people, along with a self-righteousness that makes you unable to see that prejudice. I felt it necessary to challenge your views, because others were challenging Justin's views but nobody was challenging yours.
    Justin is a bigot.

    I don’t hate him. I don’t know him.

    But a bigot he is.

    kicorse said:



    Bizarre post.

    We entered the twilight zone earlier this week where Labour posters (Labour!) were defending Justin for withdrawing his vote from Nandy because he’d learned that she is an unmarried mum.

    This really is FFS stuff. It’s prejudice, pure and simple, and utterly inexcusable. Yet the likes of @NickPalmer seemed to think it fine, and you, too, it seems.

    I made it clear at the time that I strongly disagreed with Justin. However, I am capable of strongly disagreeing with people without hating them. And as I also said at the time, I strongly dislike mob-mentality.

    Your comments betray a deep prejudice towards religious people, along with a self-righteousness that makes you unable to see that prejudice. I felt it necessary to challenge your views, because others were challenging Justin's views but nobody was challenging yours.
    Justin is a bigot.

    I don’t hate him. I don’t know him.

    But a bigot he is.
    But I have been consistent in my views! If I am a bigot - and I doubt that I am - I was a bigot in the 1970s when my views were shared by a significant proprtion of the population. Why should I change my views just because other people come along and decide that the acceptable conventional morality on these matters has now changed?I have never held racist or homophobic views - therefore the need to change does not arise. I am not persuaded that the single sex adoption of infants by male parents is a good idea - simply because I believe a young child does need a mother figure.Beyond that, I do not have strong views re- same sex relationships.
    Once again, consistency is not a defence against bigotry.
  • kicorsekicorse Posts: 435
    edited January 2020

    kicorse said:



    Bizarre post.

    We entered the twilight zone earlier this week where Labour posters (Labour!) were defending Justin for withdrawing his vote from Nandy because he’d learned that she is an unmarried mum.

    This really is FFS stuff. It’s prejudice, pure and simple, and utterly inexcusable. Yet the likes of @NickPalmer seemed to think it fine, and you, too, it seems.

    I made it clear at the time that I strongly disagreed with Justin. However, I am capable of strongly disagreeing with people without hating them. And as I also said at the time, I strongly dislike mob-mentality.

    Your comments betray a deep prejudice towards religious people, along with a self-righteousness that makes you unable to see that prejudice. I felt it necessary to challenge your views, because others were challenging Justin's views but nobody was challenging yours.
    Do you really think God exists?
    One of the most obvious markers of homophobia is assuming that anyone who sticks up for gay people is, themselves, gay.

    One of the most obvious markers of anti-religious bigotry is assuming that anyone who sticks up for religious people is, themselves, religious.

    I actually stated in this thread that I was not religious, yet you make this assumption. You need to take a long hard look at yourself.
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