I have no idea what Labour are going to do. At present they seem to be in a hole, the digging of which was often their own. It's so bloody deep I'm not entirely sure they will ever get out.
There are currently too many irreconcilables. Fissures so great no one may span them in a generation, in a century.
There is one unthinkable solution.
Split.
Maybe, but that would give Boris another five years even if he is a dire PM and the economy bombs. Probably 10 years!
Ultimately, Labour has become a movement that doesn’t care about its voters, it cares about feeling smug.
As a result, its voters have abandoned it, and it is left with smugness.
They cannot see why constantly thinking themselves the right people to rule Britain and naturally superior to everyone else isn’t appealing to their voters. .
It's possible for a party to think that and still win elections - Labour are combining that thought without even being able to justify it on the basis of popularity. Lest we forget, the Tories are by far the most popular political party in the UK (though not in some parts of it of course). If you are going to have that arrogance you need to either disguise it, or back it up with success.
Its remarkable comparing how both parties have reacted to the election result.
The Tories have won a thumping majority and reacted with humility. The line to take is that they appreciate voters "lent" them their votes and will work hard to make sure they can justify getting the votes again next time.
Labour have had their worst result since before WWII and have reacted with arrogance saying "we won the argument" and that their policies and manifesto were popular.
Go figure. I know which I think is the smarter response to the results.
Beauty is the eye of the beholder. Boris legging it up to gloat in Sedgefield and his smugness today, don’t smack hugely of humility.
Don't be a sore loser. Celebrating victory isn't gloating.
What did Boris say while he was in Sedgefield? Did he say "ha ha look at us we won the war criminals old seat" or did he say "thank you for lending us your vote"? One is humble, one is gloating, and without seeing him speak there I can guess which way he will have gone.
Nah. A gloat’s a gloat. He could not resist. Not that it matters , but save us the humility bullshit.
I don't think the loss of the Turley action will cause him any concern. Presumably the Union will foot the bill.
I utterly detest the man.
If Walker is not a member then it should not be footing the bill. I would say as an official in a (different) union, that is a clear misuse of union funds and potentially a criminal offence. They were co-defendants and costs and damages should be split equally.
Where it becomes complex is I don’t know if Walker was or is a union member.
Wouldn't it be nice if some seriously fraudulent activity has come to pass. I also think that of Johnson and Arcuri too. Sadly probably not in either case.
We should be so fecking lucky.
I can't see McCluskey worrying too much if 50 to 100 salaried staff have to be sacrificed if it means he can continue to dine out at The Ivy.
That it were always the way, sadly. A distant relative of mine by marriage was Clive Jenkins' very attractive young mistress in the late 1970s and early 1980s.
Unite the Union have an annual income of £167 Million and accumulated assets of £407 Million so I don't think they will even notice it. (Numbers from the trade union certification officer website)
It may however be a become a central point in any Union leadership election.
I would be interested to know was it getting paid out of the general fund or the political fund.
Ultimately, Labour has become a movement that doesn’t care about its voters, it cares about feeling smug.
As a result, its voters have abandoned it, and it is left with smugness.
They cannot see why constantly thinking themselves the right people to rule Britain and naturally superior to everyone else isn’t appealing to their voters. .
It's possible for a party to think that and still win elections - Labour are combining that thought without even being able to justify it on the basis of popularity. Lest we forget, the Tories are by far the most popular political party in the UK (though not in some parts of it of course). If you are going to have that arrogance you need to either disguise it, or back it up with success.
Its remarkable comparing how both parties have reacted to the election result.
The Tories have won a thumping majority and reacted with humility. The line to take is that they appreciate voters "lent" them their votes and will work hard to make sure they can justify getting the votes again next time.
Labour have had their worst result since before WWII and have reacted with arrogance saying "we won the argument" and that their policies and manifesto were popular.
Go figure. I know which I think is the smarter response to the results.
Beauty is the eye of the beholder. Boris legging it up to gloat in Sedgefield and his smugness today, don’t smack hugely of humility.
Don't be a sore loser. Celebrating victory isn't gloating.
What did Boris say while he was in Sedgefield? Did he say "ha ha look at us we won the war criminals old seat" or did he say "thank you for lending us your vote"? One is humble, one is gloating, and without seeing him speak there I can guess which way he will have gone.
Nah. A gloat’s a gloat. He could not resist. Not that it matters , but save us the humility bullshit.
Bozo also said today that we are entering a new Golden Age. With his education you'd think he'd be familiar with the notion of hubris.
I don't think the loss of the Turley action will cause him any concern. Presumably the Union will foot the bill.
I utterly detest the man.
If Walker is not a member then it should not be footing the bill. I would say as an official in a (different) union, that is a clear misuse of union funds and potentially a criminal offence. They were co-defendants and costs and damages should be split equally.
Where it becomes complex is I don’t know if Walker was or is a union member.
Wouldn't it be nice if some seriously fraudulent activity has come to pass. I also think that of Johnson and Arcuri too. Sadly probably not in either case.
We should be so fecking lucky.
I can't see McCluskey worrying too much if 50 to 100 salaried staff have to be sacrificed if it means he can continue to dine out at The Ivy.
That it were always the way, sadly. A distant relative of mine by marriage was Clive Jenkins' very attractive young mistress in the late 1970s and early 1980s.
Unite the Union have an annual income of £167 Million and accumulated assets of £407 Million so I don't think they will even notice it. (Numbers from the trade union certification officer website)
It may however be a become a central point in any Union leadership election.
I would be interested to know was it getting paid out of the general fund or the political fund.
It shouldn't come from either. But, who would want to deprive Len of his next pint of Moet at The Ivy?
Ultimately, Labour has become a movement that doesn’t care about its voters, it cares about feeling smug.
As a result, its voters have abandoned it, and it is left with smugness.
They cannot see why constantly thinking themselves the right people to rule Britain and naturally superior to everyone else isn’t appealing to their voters. .
It's possible for a party to think that and still win elections - Labour are combining that thought without even being able to justify it on the basis of popularity. Lest we forget, the Tories are by far the most popular political party in the UK (though not in some parts of it of course). If you are going to have that arrogance you need to either disguise it, or back it up with success.
Its remarkable comparing how both parties have reacted to the election result.
The Tories have won a thumping majority and reacted with humility. The line to take is that they appreciate voters "lent" them their votes and will work hard to make sure they can justify getting the votes again next time.
Labour have had their worst result since before WWII and have reacted with arrogance saying "we won the argument" and that their policies and manifesto were popular.
Go figure. I know which I think is the smarter response to the results.
Beauty is the eye of the beholder. Boris legging it up to gloat in Sedgefield and his smugness today, don’t smack hugely of humility.
Don't be a sore loser. Celebrating victory isn't gloating.
What did Boris say while he was in Sedgefield? Did he say "ha ha look at us we won the war criminals old seat" or did he say "thank you for lending us your vote"? One is humble, one is gloating, and without seeing him speak there I can guess which way he will have gone.
Nah. A gloat’s a gloat. He could not resist. Not that it matters , but save us the humility bullshit.
Bozo also said today that we are entering a new Golden Age. With his education you'd think he'd be familiar with the notion of hubris.
But I don’t think anyone expects him to last long now he’s won his majority. I give him until 2022 at the latest. After that even if he doesn’t decide he wants to earn lots of lovely lolly on the US lecture circuit, he will almost certainly make some extraordinary career-ending cock up and be ditched faster than a Labour pledge to be tough on anti-Semitism.
Ultimately, Labour has become a movement that doesn’t care about its voters, it cares about feeling smug.
As a result, its voters have abandoned it, and it is left with smugness.
They cannot see why constantly thinking themselves the right people to rule Britain and naturally superior to everyone else isn’t appealing to their voters. .
It's possible for a party to think that and still win elections - Labour are combining that thought without even being able to justify it on the basis of popularity. Lest we forget, the Tories are by far the most popular political party in the UK (though not in some parts of it of course). If you are going to have that arrogance you need to either disguise it, or back it up with success.
Its remarkable comparing how both parties have reacted to the election result.
The Tories have won a thumping majority and reacted with humility. The line to take is that they appreciate voters "lent" them their votes and will work hard to make sure they can justify getting the votes again next time.
Labour have had their worst result since before WWII and have reacted with arrogance saying "we won the argument" and that their policies and manifesto were popular.
Go figure. I know which I think is the smarter response to the results.
Beauty is the eye of the beholder. Boris legging it up to gloat in Sedgefield and his smugness today, don’t smack hugely of humility.
Don't be a sore loser. Celebrating victory isn't gloating.
What did Boris say while he was in Sedgefield? Did he say "ha ha look at us we won the war criminals old seat" or did he say "thank you for lending us your vote"? One is humble, one is gloating, and without seeing him speak there I can guess which way he will have gone.
Nah. A gloat’s a gloat. He could not resist. Not that it matters , but save us the humility bullshit.
Totally sore loser. suck it up.
I truly don’t care. Just not buying the humility spin.
Ultimately, Labour has become a movement that doesn’t care about its voters, it cares about feeling smug.
As a result, its voters have abandoned it, and it is left with smugness.
They cannot see why constantly thinking themselves the right people to rule Britain and naturally superior to everyone else isn’t appealing to their voters. .
It's possible for a party to think that and still win elections - Labour are combining that thought without even being able to justify it on the basis of popularity. Lest we forget, the Tories are by far the most popular political party in the UK (though not in some parts of it of course). If you are going to have that arrogance you need to either disguise it, or back it up with success.
Its remarkable comparing how both parties have reacted to the election result.
The Tories have won a thumping majority and reacted with humility. The line to take is that they appreciate voters "lent" them their votes and will work hard to make sure they can justify getting the votes again next time.
Labour have had their worst result since before WWII and have reacted with arrogance saying "we won the argument" and that their policies and manifesto were popular.
Go figure. I know which I think is the smarter response to the results.
Beauty is the eye of the beholder. Boris legging it up to gloat in Sedgefield and his smugness today, don’t smack hugely of humility.
Don't be a sore loser. Celebrating victory isn't gloating.
What did Boris say while he was in Sedgefield? Did he say "ha ha look at us we won the war criminals old seat" or did he say "thank you for lending us your vote"? One is humble, one is gloating, and without seeing him speak there I can guess which way he will have gone.
Nah. A gloat’s a gloat. He could not resist. Not that it matters , but save us the humility bullshit.
Bozo also said today that we are entering a new Golden Age. With his education you'd think he'd be familiar with the notion of hubris.
But I don’t think anyone expects him to last long now he’s won his majority. I give him until 2022 at the latest. After that even if he doesn’t decide he wants to earn lots of lovely lolly on the US lecture circuit, he will almost certainly make some extraordinary career-ending cock up and be ditched faster than a Labour pledge to be tough on anti-Semitism.
I still have high hopes Ms Arcuri's windfalls will do the business for us. Ever the optimist!
Bozo also said today that we are entering a new Golden Age. With his education you'd think he'd be familiar with the notion of hubris.
But I don’t think anyone expects him to last long now he’s won his majority. I give him until 2022 at the latest. After that even if he doesn’t decide he wants to earn lots of lovely lolly on the US lecture circuit, he will almost certainly make some extraordinary career-ending cock up and be ditched faster than a Labour pledge to be tough on anti-Semitism.
I agree. End of 2021 latest for some scandal or cockup to engulf him.
Ultimately, Labour has become a movement that doesn’t care about its voters, it cares about feeling smug.
As a result, its voters have abandoned it, and it is left with smugness.
They cannot see why constantly thinking themselves the right people to rule Britain and naturally superior to everyone else isn’t appealing to their voters. .
It's possible for a party to think that and still win elections - Labour are combining that thought without even being able to justify it on the basis of popularity. Lest we forget, the Tories are by far the most popular political party in the UK (though not in some parts of it of course). If you are going to have that arrogance you need to either disguise it, or back it up with success.
Its remarkable comparing how both parties have reacted to the election result.
The Tories have won a thumping majority and reacted with humility. The line to take is that they appreciate voters "lent" them their votes and will work hard to make sure they can justify getting the votes again next time.
Labour have had their worst result since before WWII and have reacted with arrogance saying "we won the argument" and that their policies and manifesto were popular.
Go figure. I know which I think is the smarter response to the results.
Beauty is the eye of the beholder. Boris legging it up to gloat in Sedgefield and his smugness today, don’t smack hugely of humility.
Don't be a sore loser. Celebrating victory isn't gloating.
What did Boris say while he was in Sedgefield? Did he say "ha ha look at us we won the war criminals old seat" or did he say "thank you for lending us your vote"? One is humble, one is gloating, and without seeing him speak there I can guess which way he will have gone.
Nah. A gloat’s a gloat. He could not resist. Not that it matters , but save us the humility bullshit.
Ultimately, Labour has become a movement that doesn’t care about its voters, it cares about feeling smug.
As a result, its voters have abandoned it, and it is left with smugness.
They cannot see why constantly thinking themselves the right people to rule Britain and naturally superior to everyone else isn’t appealing to their voters. .
It's possible for a party to think that and still win elections - Labour are combining that thought without even being able to justify it on the basis of popularity. Lest we forget, the Tories are by far the most popular political party in the UK (though not in some parts of it of course). If you are going to have that arrogance you need to either disguise it, or back it up with success.
Its remarkable comparing how both parties have reacted to the election result.
The Tories have won a thumping majority and reacted with humility. The line to take is that they appreciate voters "lent" them their votes and will work hard to make sure they can justify getting the votes again next time.
Labour have had their worst result since before WWII and have reacted with arrogance saying "we won the argument" and that their policies and manifesto were popular.
Go figure. I know which I think is the smarter response to the results.
Beauty is the eye of the beholder. Boris legging it up to gloat in Sedgefield and his smugness today, don’t smack hugely of humility.
Don't be a sore loser. Celebrating victory isn't gloating.
What did Boris say while he was in Sedgefield? Did he say "ha ha look at us we won the war criminals old seat" or did he say "thank you for lending us your vote"? One is humble, one is gloating, and without seeing him speak there I can guess which way he will have gone.
Nah. A gloat’s a gloat. He could not resist. Not that it matters , but save us the humility bullshit.
Tories 365 Lab 202
Can you do us a graph please?
Aaaaargh! Why did you have to suggest that? Just when we were getting him past that stage...
Ultimately, Labour has become a movement that doesn’t care about its voters, it cares about feeling smug.
As a result, its voters have abandoned it, and it is left with smugness.
They cannot see why constantly thinking themselves the right people to rule Britain and naturally superior to everyone else isn’t appealing to their voters. .
It's possible for a party to think that and still win elections - Labour are combining that thought without even being able to justify it on the basis of popularity. Lest we forget, the Tories are by far the most popular political party in the UK (though not in some parts of it of course). If you are going to have that arrogance you need to either disguise it, or back it up with success.
Its remarkable comparing how both parties have reacted to the election result.
The Tories have won a thumping majority and reacted with humility. The line to take is that they appreciate voters "lent" them their votes and will work hard to make sure they can justify getting the votes again next time.
Labour have had their worst result since before WWII and have reacted with arrogance saying "we won the argument" and that their policies and manifesto were popular.
Go figure. I know which I think is the smarter response to the results.
Beauty is the eye of the beholder. Boris legging it up to gloat in Sedgefield and his smugness today, don’t smack hugely of humility.
Don't be a sore loser. Celebrating victory isn't gloating.
What did Boris say while he was in Sedgefield? Did he say "ha ha look at us we won the war criminals old seat" or did he say "thank you for lending us your vote"? One is humble, one is gloating, and without seeing him speak there I can guess which way he will have gone.
Nah. A gloat’s a gloat. He could not resist. Not that it matters , but save us the humility bullshit.
Tories 365 Lab 202
Serious question Sunil - when did you become a Tory?
I don't think the loss of the Turley action will cause him any concern. Presumably the Union will foot the bill.
I utterly detest the man.
If Walker is not a member then it should not be footing the bill. I would say as an official in a (different) union, that is a clear misuse of union funds and potentially a criminal offence. They were co-defendants and costs and damages should be split equally.
Where it becomes complex is I don’t know if Walker was or is a union member.
Wouldn't it be nice if some seriously fraudulent activity has come to pass. I also think that of Johnson and Arcuri too. Sadly probably not in either case.
We should be so fecking lucky.
I can't see McCluskey worrying too much if 50 to 100 salaried staff have to be sacrificed if it means he can continue to dine out at The Ivy.
That it were always the way, sadly. A distant relative of mine by marriage was Clive Jenkins' very attractive young mistress in the late 1970s and early 1980s.
Unite the Union have an annual income of £167 Million and accumulated assets of £407 Million so I don't think they will even notice it. (Numbers from the trade union certification officer website)
It may however be a become a central point in any Union leadership election.
I would be interested to know was it getting paid out of the general fund or the political fund.
Union leadership election? Didn't McCluskey have his vanquished opponent sent to the gulags last time around?
Clive Lewis running for leader does have 1 positive, he's in favour of PR. I propose all Lib Dems launch an entryist campaign into Labour to get him elected.
Dr David Starkey on Brexit, and the current state of the Conservative and Labour parties. As usual, he is faultlessly on the button. What an intellect.
Ultimately, Labour has become a movement that doesn’t care about its voters, it cares about feeling smug.
As a result, its voters have abandoned it, and it is left with smugness.
They cannot see why constantly thinking themselves the right people to rule Britain and naturally superior to everyone else isn’t appealing to their voters. .
It's possible for a party to think that and still win elections - Labour are combining that thought without even being able to justify it on the basis of popularity. Lest we forget, the Tories are by far the most popular political party in the UK (though not in some parts of it of course). If you are going to have that arrogance you need to either disguise it, or back it up with success.
Its remarkable comparing how both parties have reacted to the election result.
The Tories have won a thumping majority and reacted with humility. The line to take is that they appreciate voters "lent" them their votes and will work hard to make sure they can justify getting the votes again next time.
Labour have had their worst result since before WWII and have reacted with arrogance saying "we won the argument" and that their policies and manifesto were popular.
Go figure. I know which I think is the smarter response to the results.
Beauty is the eye of the beholder. Boris legging it up to gloat in Sedgefield and his smugness today, don’t smack hugely of humility.
Don't be a sore loser. Celebrating victory isn't gloating.
What did Boris say while he was in Sedgefield? Did he say "ha ha look at us we won the war criminals old seat" or did he say "thank you for lending us your vote"? One is humble, one is gloating, and without seeing him speak there I can guess which way he will have gone.
Nah. A gloat’s a gloat. He could not resist. Not that it matters , but save us the humility bullshit.
Tories 365 Lab 202
Can you do us a graph please?
Aaaaargh! Why did you have to suggest that? Just when we were getting him past that stage...
Fish have to swim. Sunil's have to graph. Ydoethur's have to pun.
Dr David Starkey on Brexit, and the current state of the Conservative and Labour parties. As usual, he is faultlessly on the button. What an intellect.
He's a great speaker, but he does say the AV referendum was around 'some form of PR'.
Boris looks like he has furtively slipped the aforementioned wasp down the unwitting Corbyn's trousers!
On election night, when Corbyn already knew his party had just been thoroughly and summarily thwonked, he still had to face the count in his own - foregone conclusion - constituency. In a piece of glorious political trolling, as Farage is wont to do, the Brexit Party were running a Jewish candidate against him (kippah and all). I wondered if there might have been a bit of acrimony in the Islington campaign with TBP trying to exploit the Labour anti-semitism row, but in one of the more heart-warmingly surprising moments of election night, the two candidates were laughing and joking with each other on the stage. Not the side of Corbyn we saw today at all!
Jeremy Corbyn joked that he would seek employment as a Boris Johnson impersonator after receiving Thursday night’s exit poll that predicted a heavy defeat for Labour.
Speaking to the Sunday Times, Brexit Party candidate Yosef David – who took on Mr Corbyn in his Islington North constituency – said that Mr Corbyn had been “incredibly friendly” at the count.
“He did a funny Boris impression,” Mr David said. “We had a bit of a laugh.”
On the other hand, he didn't take too kindly to Corbyn's claim in his speech that Labour "did not descend into the gutter"!
I don't think the loss of the Turley action will cause him any concern. Presumably the Union will foot the bill.
I utterly detest the man.
If Walker is not a member then it should not be footing the bill. I would say as an official in a (different) union, that is a clear misuse of union funds and potentially a criminal offence. They were co-defendants and costs and damages should be split equally.
Where it becomes complex is I don’t know if Walker was or is a union member.
Wouldn't it be nice if some seriously fraudulent activity has come to pass. I also think that of Johnson and Arcuri too. Sadly probably not in either case.
We should be so fecking lucky.
I can't see McCluskey worrying too much if 50 to 100 salaried staff have to be sacrificed if it means he can continue to dine out at The Ivy.
That it were always the way, sadly. A distant relative of mine by marriage was Clive Jenkins' very attractive young mistress in the late 1970s and early 1980s.
Unite the Union have an annual income of £167 Million and accumulated assets of £407 Million so I don't think they will even notice it. (Numbers from the trade union certification officer website)
It may however be a become a central point in any Union leadership election.
I would be interested to know was it getting paid out of the general fund or the political fund.
Union leadership election? Didn't McCluskey have his vanquished opponent sent to the gulags last time around?
Clive Lewis running for leader does have 1 positive, he's in favour of PR. I propose all Lib Dems launch an entryist campaign into Labour to get him elected.
Starmer has drifted today. Have I missed something?
Clive Lewis running for leader does have 1 positive, he's in favour of PR. I propose all Lib Dems launch an entryist campaign into Labour to get him elected.
Starmer has drifted today. Have I missed something?
He drifts everyday, it’s one reason why his time as DPP was a disaster.
Dr David Starkey on Brexit, and the current state of the Conservative and Labour parties. As usual, he is faultlessly on the button. What an intellect.
His takedown of the awful public school toytown Trot Laurie Penny is one of the greatest things I have ever seen.
Clive Lewis running for leader does have 1 positive, he's in favour of PR. I propose all Lib Dems launch an entryist campaign into Labour to get him elected.
Starmer has drifted today. Have I missed something?
Ultimately, Labour has become a movement that doesn’t care about its voters, it cares about feeling smug.
As a result, its voters have abandoned it, and it is left with smugness.
They cannot see why constantly thinking themselves the right people to rule Britain and naturally superior to everyone else isn’t appealing to their voters. .
It's possible for a party to think that and still win elections - Labour are combining that thought without even being able to justify it on the basis of popularity. Lest we forget, the Tories are by far the most popular political party in the UK (though not in some parts of it of course). If you are going to have that arrogance you need to either disguise it, or back it up with success.
Its remarkable comparing how both parties have reacted to the election result.
The Tories have won a thumping majority and reacted with humility. The line to take is that they appreciate voters "lent" them their votes and will work hard to make sure they can justify getting the votes again next time.
Labour have had their worst result since before WWII and have reacted with arrogance saying "we won the argument" and that their policies and manifesto were popular.
Go figure. I know which I think is the smarter response to the results.
Beauty is the eye of the beholder. Boris legging it up to gloat in Sedgefield and his smugness today, don’t smack hugely of humility.
Don't be a sore loser. Celebrating victory isn't gloating.
Nah. A gloat’s a gloat. He could not resist. Not that it matters , but save us the humility bullshit.
Tories 365 Lab 202
Serious question Sunil - when did you become a Tory?
Some say Sunil voted Tory in the 2019 General Election, or that he first voted Tory in the 2017 election, whilst others state it was at the 2010 election. Obscure, but supposedly reliable reports say he actually first voted for Boris for London Mayor way back in 2008, in a tentative manner - he couldn't actually bring himself to vote Tory in the concurrent London Assembly vote and voted LibDem.
Ultimately, Labour has become a movement that doesn’t care about its voters, it cares about feeling smug.
As a result, its voters have abandoned it, and it is left with smugness.
They cannot see why constantly thinking themselves the right people to rule Britain and naturally superior to everyone else isn’t appealing to their voters. .
It's possible for a party to think that and still win elections - Labour are combining that thought without even being able to justify it on the basis of popularity. Lest we forget, the Tories are by far the most popular political party in the UK (though not in some parts of it of course). If you are going to have that arrogance you need to either disguise it, or back it up with success.
Its remarkable comparing how both parties have reacted to the election result.
The Tories have won a thumping majority and reacted with humility. The line to take is that they appreciate voters "lent" them their votes and will work hard to make sure they can justify getting the votes again next time.
Labour have had their worst result since before WWII and have reacted with arrogance saying "we won the argument" and that their policies and manifesto were popular.
Go figure. I know which I think is the smarter response to the results.
Beauty is the eye of the beholder. Boris legging it up to gloat in Sedgefield and his smugness today, don’t smack hugely of humility.
Don't be a sore loser. Celebrating victory isn't gloating.
Nah. A gloat’s a gloat. He could not resist. Not that it matters , but save us the humility bullshit.
Tories 365 Lab 202
Can you do us a graph please?
Aaaaargh! Why did you have to suggest that? Just when we were getting him past that stage...
Fish have to swim. Sunil's have to graph. Ydoethur's have to pun.
You cannot fight nature, my friend.
Sunils have to route-bash, surely.
(planning to capture - on camera! - the West Midlands Metro to Birmingham Library, and the Stockport to Guide Bridge train within the next couple of weeks)
I have no idea what Labour are going to do. At present they seem to be in a hole, the digging of which was often their own. It's so bloody deep I'm not entirely sure they will ever get out.
There are currently too many irreconcilables. Fissures so great no one may span them in a generation, in a century.
There is one unthinkable solution.
Split.
The time for that has come and gone. That people are being encouraged to join it now to secure the 'right' leader is in recognition that it's Labour or nothing for most people. ....
I find this so bloody frustrating. I have voted Conservative at the last 5 elections. Not because I have any great faith or enthusiasm for them or their views; not because the Labour party candidates have been rubbish (I have a lot of time for my MP in Wyth and Sale E and my previous MP in Broxtowe in the 00s) but because Labour is infected with such bloody nutters. I can't vote for a party which contains elements like Corbyn and McDonnell and Abbott. I couldn't even before they were in charge of the party. But the fact that a sizeable part of the membership clearly thinks this lot are the way to go is just depressing beyond belief. If the split had come at any point in the last two years, we would have the core a very attractive opposition party. A party which could hold the government to account on its competence, rather than just shrieking about how unspeakable they are. And we could have left the nutters on the margins howling at the moon. Instead of which we had a half-baked attempt at a split, which Tom Watson battered down before giving the fight up himself.
That said, I still think a split is the better way to go for the majority of sane MPs. It will be a much harder fight back than it would have been had it happened 2 years ago. Labour might elect a Kinnock for the 20s who does the hard work of purging the hard left over again, but it looks less likely now than it did in the 80s; the cancer appears to have more firmly taken hold. But the upside is that a more-obviously insane Labour party is more easily sidelined than the SDP found in the 80s. Come on Labour MPs - you have nothing to lose. At least, you have less to lose than you do by staying.
Ultimately, Labour has become a movement that doesn’t care about its voters, it cares about feeling smug.
As a result, its voters have abandoned it, and it is left with smugness.
They cannot see why constantly thinking themselves the right people to rule Britain and naturally superior to everyone else isn’t appealing to their voters. .
It's possible for a party to think that access.
Its remarkable comparing how both parties have reacted to the election result.
The Tories have won a thumping majority and reacted with humility. The line to take is that they appreciate voters "lent" them their votes and will work hard to make sure they can justify getting the votes again next time.
Labour have had their worst result since before WWII and have reacted with arrogance saying "we won the argument" and that their policies and manifesto were popular.
Go figure. I know which I think is the smarter response to the results.
Beauty is the eye of the beholder. Boris legging it up to gloat in Sedgefield and his smugness today, don’t smack hugely of humility.
Don't be a sore loser. Celebrating victory isn't gloating.
Nah. A gloat’s a gloat. He could not resist. Not that it matters , but save us the humility bullshit.
Tories 365 Lab 202
Can you do us a graph please?
Aaaaargh! Why did you have to suggest that? Just when we were getting him past that stage...
Fish have to swim. Sunil's have to graph. Ydoethur's have to pun.
You cannot fight nature, my friend.
Sunils have to route-bash, surely.
(planning to capture - on camera! - the West Midlands Metro to Birmingham Library, and the Stockport to Guide Bridge train within the next couple of weeks)
Scientists have yet to adequately capture the totality of your nature, good Dr Prasannan, I am sure.
Ultimately, Labour has become a movement that doesn’t care about its voters, it cares about feeling smug.
As a result, its voters have abandoned it, and it is left with smugness.
They cannot see why constantly thinking themselves the right people to rule Britain and naturally superior to everyone else isn’t appealing to their voters. .
It's possible for a party to think that and still win elections - Labour are combining that thought without even being able to justify it on the basis of popularity. Lest we forget, the Tories are by far the most popular political party in the UK (though not in some parts of it of course). If you are going to have that arrogance you need to either disguise it, or back it up with success.
Its remarkable comparing how both parties have reacted to the election result.
The Tories have won a thumping majority and reacted with humility. The line to take is that they appreciate voters "lent" them their votes and will work hard to make sure they can justify getting the votes again next time.
Labour have had their worst result since before WWII and have reacted with arrogance saying "we won the argument" and that their policies and manifesto were popular.
Go figure. I know which I think is the smarter response to the results.
Beauty is the eye of the beholder. Boris legging it up to gloat in Sedgefield and his smugness today, don’t smack hugely of humility.
Don't be a sore loser. Celebrating victory isn't gloating.
Nah. A gloat’s a gloat. He could not resist. Not that it matters , but save us the humility bullshit.
Tories 365 Lab 202
Can you do us a graph please?
Aaaaargh! Why did you have to suggest that? Just when we were getting him past that stage...
Fish have to swim. Sunil's have to graph. Ydoethur's have to pun.
You cannot fight nature, my friend.
Sunils have to route-bash, surely.
(planning to capture - on camera! - the West Midlands Metro to Birmingham Library, and the Stockport to Guide Bridge train within the next couple of weeks)
Good news for those posters on here who have worked for what for they have got!!
Keep it right wing!!!
I'm reminded of the 'pb Tories have only two modes' trope. Me, I'm hoping for a recovery of the left, through either a split and a new party, or, even less plausibly, someone sane taking over the Labour Party. I don't ever want to be feeling like I was a two minutes to ten on the 12th of December 2019 again. The Tories won't always be in power - lets hope there's someone of sound mind to replace them when the time comes. [i.e. I'm still in pb Tory panic mode. Albeit now a gratifyingly long-term panic]
Ultimately, Labour has become a movement that doesn’t care about its voters, it cares about feeling smug.
As a result, its voters have abandoned it, and it is left with smugness.
They cannot see why constantly thinking themselves the right people to rule Britain and naturally superior to everyone else isn’t appealing to their voters. .
It's possible for a party to think that and still win elections - Labour are combining that thought without even being able to justify it on the basis of popularity. Lest we forget, the Tories are by far the most popular political party in the UK (though not in some parts of it of course). If you are going to have that arrogance you need to either disguise it, or back it up with success.
Go figure. I know which I think is the smarter response to the results.
Beauty is the eye of the beholder. Boris legging it up to gloat in Sedgefield and his smugness today, don’t smack hugely of humility.
Don't be a sore loser. Celebrating victory isn't gloating.
Nah. A gloat’s a gloat. He could not resist. Not that it matters , but save us the humility bullshit.
Tories 365 Lab 202
Can you do us a graph please?
Aaaaargh! Why did you have to suggest that? Just when we were getting him past that stage...
Fish have to swim. Sunil's have to graph. Ydoethur's have to pun.
You cannot fight nature, my friend.
Sunils have to route-bash, surely.
(planning to capture - on camera! - the West Midlands Metro to Birmingham Library, and the Stockport to Guide Bridge train within the next couple of weeks)
Reading Clive Lewis's article, he's not as some suggest standing as an uber-Corbynite, he's standing as a centre-left pact man - not just ultra-keen on the EU but in favour of PR. I can actually see an electoral pact resulting if he were the leader.
Doesn't mean I'll vote for him, but it's an interesting new angle.
Reading Clive Lewis's article, he's not as some suggest standing as an uber-Corbynite, he's standing as a centre-left pact man - not just ultra-keen on the EU but in favour of PR. I can actually see an electoral pact resulting if he were the leader.
Doesn't mean I'll vote for him, but it's an interesting new angle.
Starkey criticised the Lords being stuffed with failed politicians. Thank goodness Boris is sorting that out.
I can't pretend it would annoy me if say Jo Swinson got put in the Lords so I'm not too bothered by Goldsmith and Morgan. In any case I suspect he has done this to avoid any sort of reshuffle now, and both will be for the chop when he does his big rollover reshuffle after Brexit.
I don't think the loss of the Turley action will cause him any concern. Presumably the Union will foot the bill.
I utterly detest the man.
If Walker is not a member then it should not be footing the bill. I would say as an official in a (different) union, that is a clear misuse of union funds and potentially a criminal offence. They were co-defendants and costs and damages should be split equally.
Where it becomes complex is I don’t know if Walker was or is a union member.
Wouldn't it be nice if some seriously fraudulent activity has come to pass. I also think that of Johnson and Arcuri too. Sadly probably not in either case.
We should be so fecking lucky.
I can't see McCluskey worrying too much if 50 to 100 salaried staff have to be sacrificed if it means he can continue to dine out at The Ivy.
That it were always the way, sadly. A distant relative of mine by marriage was Clive Jenkins' very attractive young mistress in the late 1970s and early 1980s.
Unite the Union have an annual income of £167 Million and accumulated assets of £407 Million so I don't think they will even notice it. (Numbers from the trade union certification officer website)
It may however be a become a central point in any Union leadership election.
I would be interested to know was it getting paid out of the general fund or the political fund.
Union leadership election? Didn't McCluskey have his vanquished opponent sent to the gulags last time around?
Starkey criticised the Lords being stuffed with failed politicians. Thank goodness Boris is sorting that out.
I can't pretend it would annoy me if say Jo Swinson got put in the Lords so I'm not too bothered by Goldsmith and Morgan. In any case I suspect he has done this to avoid any sort of reshuffle now, and both will be for the chop when he does his big rollover reshuffle after Brexit.
Nicky Morgan is the de facto HOL leader when the resuffle comes in February and Zac is going to stay in his role, not least because he is committed to it and is very strongly supported by Carrie
Reading Clive Lewis's article, he's not as some suggest standing as an uber-Corbynite, he's standing as a centre-left pact man - not just ultra-keen on the EU but in favour of PR. I can actually see an electoral pact resulting if he were the leader.
Doesn't mean I'll vote for him, but it's an interesting new angle.
Any word on Yvette yet?
Still thinking about it, so we've only got Thornberry and Lewis so far.
Was chatting to a longstanding Blairite friend. She won't vote for RLB if she presents herself as continuity Corbyn, but otherwise thinks she'd be quite good - forceful Northerner and a good speaker, in her view. I must admit I've not heard RLB much so don't have a view on that - true?
Nicky Morgan is the de facto HOL leader when the resuffle comes in February and Zac is going to stay in his role, not least because he is committed to it and is very strongly supported by Carrie
Zac is a genuinely commited environmentalist, irrespective of what one thinks of the Lords issue. I'm pleased he's remaining in office.
Reading Clive Lewis's article, he's not as some suggest standing as an uber-Corbynite, he's standing as a centre-left pact man - not just ultra-keen on the EU but in favour of PR. I can actually see an electoral pact resulting if he were the leader.
Doesn't mean I'll vote for him, but it's an interesting new angle.
Any word on Yvette yet?
Still thinking about it, so we've only got Thornberry and Lewis so far.
Was chatting to a longstanding Blairite friend. She won't vote for RLB if she presents herself as continuity Corbyn, but otherwise thinks she'd be quite good - forceful Northerner and a good speaker, in her view. I must admit I've not heard RLB much so don't have a view on that - true?
Communication wise I reckon RBL is a big uptick on Corbyn, at least in formal presentation settings.
Nicky Morgan is the de facto HOL leader when the resuffle comes in February and Zac is going to stay in his role, not least because he is committed to it and is very strongly supported by Carrie
Zac is a genuinely commited environmentalist, irrespective of what one thinks of the Lords issue. I'm pleased he's remaining in office.
We do share his views and also on animal welfare Nick
Nicky Morgan is the de facto HOL leader when the resuffle comes in February and Zac is going to stay in his role, not least because he is committed to it and is very strongly supported by Carrie
Zac is a genuinely commited environmentalist, irrespective of what one thinks of the Lords issue. I'm pleased he's remaining in office.
Surely he could have done a reasonably good job by being a government adviser on the subject rather than a minister? I'm not actually opposed to Lords being ministers, and I don't mean to imply that he would not be able to achieve more as a minister than as an adviser, but assuming there are others of similar stance around who could fill the ministerial role it doesn't seem like it would be necessary to elevate him with such haste at least.
Reading Clive Lewis's article, he's not as some suggest standing as an uber-Corbynite, he's standing as a centre-left pact man - not just ultra-keen on the EU but in favour of PR. I can actually see an electoral pact resulting if he were the leader.
Doesn't mean I'll vote for him, but it's an interesting new angle.
Any word on Yvette yet?
Still thinking about it, so we've only got Thornberry and Lewis so far.
Was chatting to a longstanding Blairite friend. She won't vote for RLB if she presents herself as continuity Corbyn, but otherwise thinks she'd be quite good - forceful Northerner and a good speaker, in her view. I must admit I've not heard RLB much so don't have a view on that - true?
Reading Clive Lewis's article, he's not as some suggest standing as an uber-Corbynite, he's standing as a centre-left pact man - not just ultra-keen on the EU but in favour of PR. I can actually see an electoral pact resulting if he were the leader.
Doesn't mean I'll vote for him, but it's an interesting new angle.
Any word on Yvette yet?
Still thinking about it, so we've only got Thornberry and Lewis so far.
Was chatting to a longstanding Blairite friend. She won't vote for RLB if she presents herself as continuity Corbyn, but otherwise thinks she'd be quite good - forceful Northerner and a good speaker, in her view. I must admit I've not heard RLB much so don't have a view on that - true?
Not as good as Rayner.
I'm green on Rayner. Tiny bit red on RBL.
I reckon Rayner may play the long game - become Deputy and ride out the 2023/4 loss.
Off topic, and indulge me in whinging about my own commute again:
TPExpress on course to post the worst monthly performance stats of any current TOC since Hull Trains posted 50% during 2016, the difference being TPE run 20x the number of services on multiple routes.
On time (<10 mins) 54%, Late (10-30 mins) 21%, V. Late or cancelled, 25%
That's not counting the 10% or so of trains that have been removed entirely from the timetable until New Year.
Manchester Victoria platform staff walked out this evening over an abuse incident, leading to a severely congested concourse. I suspect not unrelated.
Dr David Starkey on Brexit, and the current state of the Conservative and Labour parties. As usual, he is faultlessly on the button. What an intellect.
Even Starkey has reassessed his view of Boris, moving from Charles IInd in style to Churchill in getting Brexit done.
Also says the Tories should go back to Beveridge in rethinking how healthcare is delivered in a way the North can accept
Reading Clive Lewis's article, he's not as some suggest standing as an uber-Corbynite, he's standing as a centre-left pact man - not just ultra-keen on the EU but in favour of PR. I can actually see an electoral pact resulting if he were the leader.
Doesn't mean I'll vote for him, but it's an interesting new angle.
PR would result in splintering of all parties into groups of 5-15% in size. Labour could easily splinter into 3 pieces, the LD into 2, and the Conservatives into 3 under PR. The SNP would also lose half it's seats.
It's in no ones interest to pass it really except perhaps the LD. One of the main reasons why Labour rose during the campaign at the expence of the LD was FPTP.
Dr David Starkey on Brexit, and the current state of the Conservative and Labour parties. As usual, he is faultlessly on the button. What an intellect.
Even Starkey has reassessed his view of Boris, moving from Charles IInd in style to Churchill in getting Brexit done.
Also says the Tories should go back to Beveridge in rethinking how healthcare is delivered in a way the North can accept
He also said Boris is possibly the last PM of the UK.
Reading Clive Lewis's article, he's not as some suggest standing as an uber-Corbynite, he's standing as a centre-left pact man - not just ultra-keen on the EU but in favour of PR. I can actually see an electoral pact resulting if he were the leader.
Doesn't mean I'll vote for him, but it's an interesting new angle.
Any word on Yvette yet?
Still thinking about it, so we've only got Thornberry and Lewis so far.
Was chatting to a longstanding Blairite friend. She won't vote for RLB if she presents herself as continuity Corbyn, but otherwise thinks she'd be quite good - forceful Northerner and a good speaker, in her view. I must admit I've not heard RLB much so don't have a view on that - true?
Ultimately, Labour has become a movement that doesn’t care about its voters, it cares about feeling smug.
As a result, its voters have abandoned it, and it is left with smugness.
They cannot see why constantly thinking themselves the right people to rule Britain and naturally superior to everyone else isn’t appealing to their voters. .
It's possible for a party to think that and still win elections - Labour are combining that thought without even being able to justify it on the basis of popularity. Lest we forget, the Tories are by far the most popular political party in the UK (though not in some parts of it of course). If you are going to have that arrogance you need to either disguise it, or back it up with success.
Go figure. I know which I think is the smarter response to the results.
Beauty is the eye of the beholder. Boris legging it up to gloat in Sedgefield and his smugness today, don’t smack hugely of humility.
Don't be a sore loser. Celebrating victory isn't gloating.
Nah. A gloat’s a gloat. He could not resist. Not that it matters , but save us the humility bullshit.
Tories 365 Lab 202
Can you do us a graph please?
Aaaaargh! Why did you have to suggest that? Just when we were getting him past that stage...
Fish have to swim. Sunil's have to graph. Ydoethur's have to pun.
You cannot fight nature, my friend.
Sunils have to route-bash, surely.
(planning to capture - on camera! - the West Midlands Metro to Birmingham Library, and the Stockport to Guide Bridge train within the next couple of weeks)
Everyone loves a bit of Reddish South...
Denton too!
Does it not go to Stalybridge anymore? Or, I guess you've marked off that hop already?
Ultimately, Labour has become a movement that doesn’t care about its voters, it cares about feeling smug.
As a result, its voters have abandoned it, and it is left with smugness.
They cannot see why constantly thinking themselves the right people to rule Britain and naturally superior to everyone else isn’t appealing to their voters. .
It's possible for a party to think that and still win elections - Labour are combining that thought without even being able to justify it on the basis of popularity. Lest we forget, the Tories are by far the most popular political party in the UK (though not in some parts of it of course). If you are going to have that arrogance you need to either disguise it, or back it up with success.
Go figure. I know which I think is the smarter response to the results.
Beauty is the eye of the beholder. Boris legging it up to gloat in Sedgefield and his smugness today, don’t smack hugely of humility.
Don't be a sore loser. Celebrating victory isn't gloating.
Nah. A gloat’s a gloat. He could not resist. Not that it matters , but save us the humility bullshit.
Tories 365 Lab 202
Can you do us a graph please?
Aaaaargh! Why did you have to suggest that? Just when we were getting him past that stage...
Fish have to swim. Sunil's have to graph. Ydoethur's have to pun.
You cannot fight nature, my friend.
Sunils have to route-bash, surely.
(planning to capture - on camera! - the West Midlands Metro to Birmingham Library, and the Stockport to Guide Bridge train within the next couple of weeks)
Everyone loves a bit of Reddish South...
Denton too!
Does it not go to Stalybridge anymore? Or, I guess you've marked off that hop already?
I did Stalybridge - Stockport when LAB was a small party! 1987!! Nothing changes!!!
Just come back from.Chingford post election party in which IDS declared 'total victory' and onto Brexit and beyond
And a wee bit of humility is a good thing - there are a lot of people hurting
Let them hurt, I remember 1997 and 2001 and 2017 as I campaigned in them all and I remember zilch humility from Labour and the LDs then over Tory hurt, this was the best Tory victory in my lifetime (that I can remember bring 6 in 1987) and the party is right to celebrate it
Just come back from.Chingford post election party in which IDS declared 'total victory' and onto Brexit and beyond
And a wee bit of humility is a good thing - there are a lot of people hurting
Let them hurt, I remember 1997 and 2001 and 2017 as I campaigned in them all and I remember zilch humility from Labour and the LDs then over Tory hurt, this was the best Tory victory in my lifetime (that I can remember bring 6 in 1987) and the party is right to celebrate it
I remember 1997 when I voted for Blair in a reverse of what happened last thursday. Of course it is right to celebrate but we will only bring the country together by being much kinder to each other
Ultimately, Labour has become a movement that doesn’t care about its voters, it cares about feeling smug.
As a result, its voters have abandoned it, and it is left with smugness.
They cannot see why constantly thinking themselves the right people to rule Britain and naturally superior to everyone else isn’t appealing to their voters. .
It's possible for a party to think that and still win elections - Labour are combining that thought without even being able to justify it on the basis of popularity. Lest we forget, the Tories are by far the most popular political party in the UK (though not in some parts of it of course). If you are going to have that arrogance you need to either disguise it, or back it up with success.
Go figure. I know which I think is the smarter response to the results.
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Don't be a sore loser. Celebrating victory isn't gloating.
Tories 365 Lab 202
Can you do us a graph please?
Aaaaargh! Why did you have to suggest that? Just when we were getting him past that stage...
Fish have to swim. Sunil's have to graph. Ydoethur's have to pun.
You cannot fight nature, my friend.
Sunils have to route-bash, surely.
(planning to capture - on camera! - the West Midlands Metro to Birmingham Library, and the Stockport to Guide Bridge train within the next couple of weeks)
Everyone loves a bit of Reddish South...
Denton too!
Does it not go to Stalybridge anymore? Or, I guess you've marked off that hop already?
It does, but you can do Guide Bridge to Stalybridge any day of the week!
It used to be Fridays only, but changed to Saturday last year I think. Also, last weekend's timetable change shifted the southbound journey by an hour (0846 to 1018), so easier to get to Guide Bridge in time!
Just come back from.Chingford post election party in which IDS declared 'total victory' and onto Brexit and beyond
And a wee bit of humility is a good thing - there are a lot of people hurting
Let them hurt, I remember 1997 and 2001 and 2017 as I campaigned in them all and I remember zilch humility from Labour and the LDs then over Tory hurt, this was the best Tory victory in my lifetime (that I can remember bring 6 in 1987) and the party is right to celebrate it
We are going to be hurting in 2023, 2027, 2031, 2035 and 2039. I don't suppose I will be too worried about the last one so long as I still get a bus pass and free TV.
Off topic, and indulge me in whinging about my own commute again:
TPExpress on course to post the worst monthly performance stats of any current TOC since Hull Trains posted 50% during 2016, the difference being TPE run 20x the number of services on multiple routes.
On time (-10 mins) 54%, Late (10-30 mins) 21%, V. Late or cancelled, 25%
That's not counting the 10% or so of trains that have been removed entirely from the timetable until New Year.
Manchester Victoria platform staff walked out this evening over an abuse incident, leading to a severely congested concourse. I suspect not unrelated.
I guess I can always use Piccadilly to get to Guide Bridge, I largely did Manchester's trains and trams in 2016 and 2017. Oh and the Ordsall Curve last year.
Tory on BBc 2 banging on about obscure constitutional changes to Supreme Court. sounds a lot like some obsessional crap that Cummings has come up with.
Reading Clive Lewis's article, he's not as some suggest standing as an uber-Corbynite, he's standing as a centre-left pact man - not just ultra-keen on the EU but in favour of PR. I can actually see an electoral pact resulting if he were the leader.
Doesn't mean I'll vote for him, but it's an interesting new angle.
Any word on Yvette yet?
Still thinking about it, so we've only got Thornberry and Lewis so far.
Was chatting to a longstanding Blairite friend. She won't vote for RLB if she presents herself as continuity Corbyn, but otherwise thinks she'd be quite good - forceful Northerner and a good speaker, in her view. I must admit I've not heard RLB much so don't have a view on that - true?
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It may however be a become a central point in any Union leadership election.
I would be interested to know was it getting paid out of the general fund or the political fund.
Lab 202
https://youtu.be/I7WmVamlfWM
Dr David Starkey on Brexit, and the current state of the Conservative and Labour parties. As usual, he is faultlessly on the button. What an intellect.
Sunil's have to graph.
Ydoethur's have to pun.
You cannot fight nature, my friend.
Courtesy of the Jewish Chronicle, we now know what they were joking about ...
Jeremy Corbyn joked that he would seek employment as a Boris Johnson impersonator after receiving Thursday night’s exit poll that predicted a heavy defeat for Labour.
Speaking to the Sunday Times, Brexit Party candidate Yosef David – who took on Mr Corbyn in his Islington North constituency – said that Mr Corbyn had been “incredibly friendly” at the count.
“He did a funny Boris impression,” Mr David said. “We had a bit of a laugh.”
On the other hand, he didn't take too kindly to Corbyn's claim in his speech that Labour "did not descend into the gutter"!
https://twitter.com/RabbiZvi/status/1205941700860039168?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40345438
Oh, sorry, you meant his odds?
(planning to capture - on camera! - the West Midlands Metro to Birmingham Library, and the Stockport to Guide Bridge train within the next couple of weeks)
I have voted Conservative at the last 5 elections. Not because I have any great faith or enthusiasm for them or their views; not because the Labour party candidates have been rubbish (I have a lot of time for my MP in Wyth and Sale E and my previous MP in Broxtowe in the 00s) but because Labour is infected with such bloody nutters. I can't vote for a party which contains elements like Corbyn and McDonnell and Abbott. I couldn't even before they were in charge of the party. But the fact that a sizeable part of the membership clearly thinks this lot are the way to go is just depressing beyond belief.
If the split had come at any point in the last two years, we would have the core a very attractive opposition party. A party which could hold the government to account on its competence, rather than just shrieking about how unspeakable they are. And we could have left the nutters on the margins howling at the moon. Instead of which we had a half-baked attempt at a split, which Tom Watson battered down before giving the fight up himself.
That said, I still think a split is the better way to go for the majority of sane MPs. It will be a much harder fight back than it would have been had it happened 2 years ago. Labour might elect a Kinnock for the 20s who does the hard work of purging the hard left over again, but it looks less likely now than it did in the 80s; the cancer appears to have more firmly taken hold. But the upside is that a more-obviously insane Labour party is more easily sidelined than the SDP found in the 80s. Come on Labour MPs - you have nothing to lose. At least, you have less to lose than you do by staying.
LAB will never win a GE again!
Good news for those posters on here who have worked for what for they have got!!
Keep it right wing!!!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50858811
Me, I'm hoping for a recovery of the left, through either a split and a new party, or, even less plausibly, someone sane taking over the Labour Party. I don't ever want to be feeling like I was a two minutes to ten on the 12th of December 2019 again. The Tories won't always be in power - lets hope there's someone of sound mind to replace them when the time comes.
[i.e. I'm still in pb Tory panic mode. Albeit now a gratifyingly long-term panic]
Doesn't mean I'll vote for him, but it's an interesting new angle.
https://twitter.com/PoliticsWolf/status/1207740858587439104?s=19
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Was chatting to a longstanding Blairite friend. She won't vote for RLB if she presents herself as continuity Corbyn, but otherwise thinks she'd be quite good - forceful Northerner and a good speaker, in her view. I must admit I've not heard RLB much so don't have a view on that - true?
Guardian
(Victory over Jeremy Day?)
I reckon Rayner may play the long game - become Deputy and ride out the 2023/4 loss.
TPExpress on course to post the worst monthly performance stats of any current TOC since Hull Trains posted 50% during 2016, the difference being TPE run 20x the number of services on multiple routes.
On time (<10 mins) 54%, Late (10-30 mins) 21%, V. Late or cancelled, 25%
That's not counting the 10% or so of trains that have been removed entirely from the timetable until New Year.
Manchester Victoria platform staff walked out this evening over an abuse incident, leading to a severely congested concourse. I suspect not unrelated.
Demographics may well see to IDS next time around.
Also says the Tories should go back to Beveridge in rethinking how healthcare is delivered in a way the North can accept
Labour could easily splinter into 3 pieces, the LD into 2, and the Conservatives into 3 under PR.
The SNP would also lose half it's seats.
It's in no ones interest to pass it really except perhaps the LD.
One of the main reasons why Labour rose during the campaign at the expence of the LD was FPTP.
IDS is now in his mid 60s and may stand down before the next general election anyway having been MP for the area for over 30 years
Cult grief. Only at first stage.
LOL to all LAB posters good news CON government guaranteed until 2050!
Happy Christmas y'all!!
It used to be Fridays only, but changed to Saturday last year I think. Also, last weekend's timetable change shifted the southbound journey by an hour (0846 to 1018), so easier to get to Guide Bridge in time!
Greens lose their sole seat under these changes?