And yet one of those seats just happened to be one that everyone is speculating Farage will stand in and that the same pollster (great business for them btw) identified as one that UKIP "won" in May?
I'm addicted (almost) to signing petitions but the way this one was worded struck me as utter rubbish. I wasn't, and am not, for example, aware that MP's were demanding a pay increase; I got the impression that many were quite embarrassed at the recommendations of the IPSA.
LOL
That's truly pitiful spin even for PB.
I must have missed the part where they all demanded the party leaders stop this terrible largesse and refuse the pay increase at once.
Which is why this seems so odd and indeed "embarrassing".
MPs call for '32% salary increase'
MPs have suggested a 32% increase in their pay to the Commons expenses watchdog, it has been revealed.
Members said they deserved an £86,250 salary in an anonymous survey conducted by the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (Ipsa).
The research also found more than a third thought they should keep final-salary pensions.
The findings emerged as Ipsa published a report on its initial consultation into pay and pensions.
Scotland would be better off (as a separate country) if it had its own currency .Like any country. Show me one country in Europe that is happy with the euro,certainly not the little one like Greece or Cyprus. As nobody learned the lesson that you cannot have fiscal union without political union? If Scotland is leaving a political union it needs to leave a fiscal union as well.
If the SNP do not want their own currency they do no want independence -maybe its too much like hard work for Salmond and most of them?
And yet one of those seats just happened to be one that everyone is speculating Farage will stand in and that the same pollster (great business for them btw) identified as one that UKIP "won" in May?
It was posted earlier in the thread but apparently Mr Bown has a bit of a bee in his bonnet about getting Farage to stand in South Thanet.....
And yet one of those seats just happened to be one that everyone is speculating Farage will stand in and that the same pollster (great business for them btw) identified as one that UKIP "won" in May?
It was posted earlier in the thread but apparently Mr Bown has a bit of a bee in his bonnet about getting Farage to stand in South Thanet.....
You would be the first to complain of interfering in Scottish affairs if Cameron and the UK government stated to campaign for a no vote using the resources of the state (including the office of Prime Minister)
You must be horrified at the number of anti-independence papers issued by Westminster, and anti-independence Scottish day trips made by coalition cabinet members.
Or perhaps you know very little about the subject.
Which presumably Salmond (and you?) wants as he is goading Cameron to debate against him? You cannot have it both ways . If you say (quite correctly) that it is for Scotland alone to decide this then you cannot call Cameron a coward for being a English MP , an English born citizen and a British PM and therefore thinking the same as you and therefore not getting involved in the argument.
So, it's the 'know very little' option. You cannot have it both ways, having the UK government campaigning for a no vote using the resources of the state, while absolving 'head, heart, body and soul' Cameron who appears to be happy to fight 'passionately' for the Union from a distance. As long as Cameron is happy to stay a long way behind the lines, the Yes campaign will be happy to describe him as feart.
You cannot have it both ways, having the UK government campaigning for a no vote using the resources of the state, while absolving 'head, heart, body and soul' Cameron fighting 'passionately' for the Union from a distance. As long as Cameron is happy to stay a long way behind the lines, the Yes campaign will be happy to describe him as feart.
How is the UK government campaigning for a No vote? You mentioned anti-independence papers issued by Westminster and anti-independence Scottish day trips made by coalition cabinet members. Do you have a link or two, for those of us who don't know what you're referring to?
You would be the first to complain of interfering in Scottish affairs if Cameron and the UK government stated to campaign for a no vote using the resources of the state (including the office of Prime Minister)
You must be horrified at the number of anti-independence papers issued by Westminster, and anti-independence Scottish day trips made by coalition cabinet members.
Or perhaps you know very little about the subject.
Which presumably Salmond (and you?) wants as he is goading Cameron to debate against him? You cannot have it both ways . If you say (quite correctly) that it is for Scotland alone to decide this then you cannot call Cameron a coward for being a English MP , an English born citizen and a British PM and therefore thinking the same as you and therefore not getting involved in the argument.
So, it's the 'know very little' option. You cannot have it both ways, having the UK government campaigning for a no vote using the resources of the state, while absolving 'head, heart, body and soul' Cameron who appears to be happy to fight 'passionately' for the Union from a distance. As long as Cameron is happy to stay a long way behind the lines, the Yes campaign will be happy to describe him as feart.
Salmond should have something more positive as an idea to persuade Scotland to vote 'yes' beyond trying to set up a vision of the no vote option being wrong because its led by the evil tories
I think it fairly easy to get yhis horse to drink; and have a fag also. It is just pounding the pavement rather than sounding off on QT that is the problem.
And yet one of those seats just happened to be one that everyone is speculating Farage will stand in and that the same pollster (great business for them btw) identified as one that UKIP "won" in May?
It was posted earlier in the thread but apparently Mr Bown has a bit of a bee in his bonnet about getting Farage to stand in South Thanet.....
If the SNP do not want their own currency they do no want independence -maybe its too much like hard work for Salmond and most of them?
Someone called their bluff, and bounced them into a referendum, that if truth be told, they didn't want.
Priceless.
Alex Salmond steps up bid for two-question referendum after shaky start to Yes Scotland campaign ALEX Salmond is to step up his bid for a two-question referendum after the chaotic start of the pro-independence Yes Scotland campaign.
Salmond: Scots have a right to second question on deco max ALEX Salmond has given his strongest hint yet there will be two questions in the independence referendum, by saying the Scottish people have a fundamental "right to decide" on whether Holyrood should have full tax powers, known as devo max.
Official documents showed how Kevin Pringle, the First Minister's senior spin doctor, drafted a 161-word statement in the name an elections expert backing the SNP's proposals for a second question on the referendum ballot paper.
He suggested Professor Matt Qvortrup issue the statement in the form of a letter to the media and even provided email addresses. However, he advised the academic "not to take press calls but to let this speak for itself".
Mr Salmond read out the fake correspondence at First Minister's Questions, only for Professor Qvortrup to confirm he did not write it and he did not consider the SNP's model for two-question referendum "fair and reasonable".
You cannot have it both ways, having the UK government campaigning for a no vote using the resources of the state, while absolving 'head, heart, body and soul' Cameron fighting 'passionately' for the Union from a distance. As long as Cameron is happy to stay a long way behind the lines, the Yes campaign will be happy to describe him as feart.
How is the UK government campaigning for a No vote? You mentioned anti-independence papers issued by Westminster and anti-independence Scottish day trips made by coalition cabinet members. Do you have a link or two, for those of us who don't know what you're referring to?
You have heard of google? A quick search provides:
You cannot have it both ways, having the UK government campaigning for a no vote using the resources of the state, while absolving 'head, heart, body and soul' Cameron fighting 'passionately' for the Union from a distance. As long as Cameron is happy to stay a long way behind the lines, the Yes campaign will be happy to describe him as feart.
How is the UK government campaigning for a No vote? You mentioned anti-independence papers issued by Westminster and anti-independence Scottish day trips made by coalition cabinet members. Do you have a link or two, for those of us who don't know what you're referring to?
You have heard of google? A quick search provides:
If only that were so. You should really stick to stalking tim; you're not very good at it but at least it prevents you from revealing the paucity of you insights on any other subject.
Okay, thanks @Theuniondivvie. As you probably expect, I don't see in those links quite what you see - not much in the way of 'frighten the Jocks' day trips and fairly reasonable stuff about the potential implications of Scotland voting for independence.
But thank you - I appreciate knowing what you were referring to.
. As you probably expect, I don't see in those links quite what you see - not much in the way of 'frighten the Jocks' day trips and fairly reasonable stuff about the potential implications of Scotland voting for independence.
Maybe, maybe not. The original point though was whether the UK government was trying to influence the independence debate. It very evidently is, with a big, empty UK pm-shaped space at the centre.
If only that were so. You should really stick to stalking tim; you're not very good at it but at least it prevents you from revealing the paucity of you insights on any other subject.
Why not expend your energies on explaining the logic behind an Independent Scotland preferring to have it's economic policy dictated to it by the Bank of England, rather than establishing it's own currency?
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And yet one of those seats just happened to be one that everyone is speculating Farage will stand in and that the same pollster (great business for them btw) identified as one that UKIP "won" in May?
That's truly pitiful spin even for PB.
I must have missed the part where they all demanded the party leaders stop this terrible largesse and refuse the pay increase at once.
Which is why this seems so odd and indeed "embarrassing".
Missed that BBC report Mr P. Thanks. Take your point, too. Still think the petition's badly worded though.
As nobody learned the lesson that you cannot have fiscal union without political union? If Scotland is leaving a political union it needs to leave a fiscal union as well.
If the SNP do not want their own currency they do no want independence -maybe its too much like hard work for Salmond and most of them?
You cannot have it both ways, having the UK government campaigning for a no vote using the resources of the state, while absolving 'head, heart, body and soul' Cameron who appears to be happy to fight 'passionately' for the Union from a distance. As long as Cameron is happy to stay a long way behind the lines, the Yes campaign will be happy to describe him as feart.
Priceless.
ALEX Salmond is to step up his bid for a two-question referendum after the chaotic start of the pro-independence Yes Scotland campaign.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/alex-salmond-steps-up-bid-1129054
Salmond: Scots have a right to second question on deco max
ALEX Salmond has given his strongest hint yet there will be two questions in the independence referendum, by saying the Scottish people have a fundamental "right to decide" on whether Holyrood should have full tax powers, known as devo max.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/salmond-scots-have-a-right-to-second-question-on-devo-max.18013865
Official documents showed how Kevin Pringle, the First Minister's senior spin doctor, drafted a 161-word statement in the name an elections expert backing the SNP's proposals for a second question on the referendum ballot paper.
He suggested Professor Matt Qvortrup issue the statement in the form of a letter to the media and even provided email addresses. However, he advised the academic "not to take press calls but to let this speak for itself".
Mr Salmond read out the fake correspondence at First Minister's Questions, only for Professor Qvortrup to confirm he did not write it and he did not consider the SNP's model for two-question referendum "fair and reasonable".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9035519/Alex-Salmonds-referendum-cover-up-revealed.html
http://tinyurl.com/o2s8dho
http://tinyurl.com/oh2d5g7
http://tinyurl.com/ps92s9f
http://tinyurl.com/6u44mm4
http://tinyurl.com/pbv23ok
Off the top of my head, Osborne, Cable, May and Hammond have all done the 'frighten the Jocks' day trip.
Salmond is too scared to go it alone and ditch the £, preferring to hide behind the Old Lady of Threadneedle Street's skirt.
Enough said.
You should really stick to stalking tim; you're not very good at it but at least it prevents you from revealing the paucity of you insights on any other subject.
But thank you - I appreciate knowing what you were referring to.
We're all ears.