If the GOP were smart they would try harder to win more African Americans. Just winning a few more % of socially conservative blacks, would give them a durable majority, and enough state legislative control for a constitutional amendment.
As a general rule, though, supporting neo-Nazis in Charlotteville is not the kind of thing that goes down well with any African Americans, socially conservative or not.
Trump can't pivot to collect socially conservative African Americans, or socially conservative Latinos, because he has chosen the mantle of identity politics for Whites who feel the system is stacked against them.
Trump didn't make a choice. He has always been a racist. He once was upset he had a black accountant as he only wanted Jews counting his money. He called for the execution of the Central Park 5 after they had been exonerated. He told a black Congresswoman, who was born in the US to parents born in the US, to "go back" to her home country.
If Remainers had accepted the referendum result with good grace
I find categorising the world into the groups of "Remainers" and "Leavers" to be extremely unhelpful.
But let's step back for a moment.
In the immediate aftermath of the election, there was a genuine acceptance of the result. The polling evidence at the time showed 80+% of people believed the result should be implemented.
What happened? Why did that change?
Well, I think there were three major missteps:
Firstly, was Mrs May's "red lines". Secondly, there was the election. Thirdly, there was the trashing of Mrs May's deal as "not real Brexit".
The first alienated a chunk of the "well we lost, but we're all in this together" bunch. The second lost the Conservatives their majority, and resulted in a more Remain-y parliament. The third appeared to be more about BJ getting into Number Ten than getting Brexit done.
They probably didn't tell him because he's a fucking liability.
The tweet would have been: "So excited. My special forces will be executing ISIS bad guy and Nancy Pelosi's friend Bag Daddy. Wanted to be part of raid myself stopped by killjoy nonothing Generals."
"I am the greatest general ever. I'm a seven star general."
If Remainers had accepted the referendum result with good grace
I find categorising the world into the groups of "Remainers" and "Leavers" to be extremely unhelpful.
But let's step back for a moment.
In the immediate aftermath of the election, there was a genuine acceptance of the result. The polling evidence at the time showed 80+% of people believed the result should be implemented.
What happened? Why did that change?
Well, I think there were three major missteps:
Firstly, was Mrs May's "red lines". Secondly, there was the election. Thirdly, there was the trashing of Mrs May's deal as "not real Brexit".
The first alienated a chunk of the "well we lost, but we're all in this together" bunch. The second lost the Conservatives their majority, and resulted in a more Remain-y parliament. The third appeared to be more about BJ getting into Number Ten than getting Brexit done.
Oh come on. Remainers did not want to accept the result from the get-go. We could have easily countered May's red lines with a clearly backed proposal for soft Brexit. But Remain MPs from the start wanted to overturn it so us pushing for a soft Brexit found we didn't have the numbers. We instead got deliberate sabotage and delaying tactics until there was the opportunity to block it entirely.
If the GOP were smart they would try harder to win more African Americans. Just winning a few more % of socially conservative blacks, would give them a durable majority, and enough state legislative control for a constitutional amendment.
As a general rule, though, supporting neo-Nazis in Charlotteville is not the kind of thing that goes down well with any African Americans, socially conservative or not.
Trump can't pivot to collect socially conservative African Americans, or socially conservative Latinos, because he has chosen the mantle of identity politics for Whites who feel the system is stacked against them.
Which is in keeping with mainline Republican policy for the last 40 years.
If Remainers had accepted the referendum result with good grace
I find categorising the world into the groups of "Remainers" and "Leavers" to be extremely unhelpful.
But let's step back for a moment.
In the immediate aftermath of the election, there was a genuine acceptance of the result. The polling evidence at the time showed 80+% of people believed the result should be implemented.
What happened? Why did that change?
Well, I think there were three major missteps:
Firstly, was Mrs May's "red lines". Secondly, there was the election. Thirdly, there was the trashing of Mrs May's deal as "not real Brexit".
The first alienated a chunk of the "well we lost, but we're all in this together" bunch. The second lost the Conservatives their majority, and resulted in a more Remain-y parliament. The third appeared to be more about BJ getting into Number Ten than getting Brexit done.
I would disagree with the underlying premise of what you have written there. There was no genuine acceptance of the result even by 80%. The politicians had to pretend they accepted it or rightly be accused of being undemocratic. But there were only a very small minority of Remainers who accepted the result and most were quick to attack it as based on lies and claim that people had been misled. The campaign to ignore the result started almost immediately and even those who would not explicitly say they wanted the result overturned made it clear they were not reconciled with leaving.
There are indeed many ways in which the Government (not the Leave campaign as they were not in power) screwed up after the result but the idea that there would not be myriad attempts to block or overturn Brexit is fanciful.
So - as we're just four days away from No Deal - any advice on stockpiling?
Don't?
Way back in the 80's there were rumours that there would be a sugar shortage. My grandmother proceeded to stockpile 30 bags of sugar and, to be fair, so did all her neighbours. Guess what? There was a sugar shortage!
But not in your grandmother's house, by the sound of it.
You don't have to run faster than the lion, only faster than at least one of the other people who are running away from it.
Most people had enough sugar (because they'd hoarded it) or knew someone who had. And - to answer Floater's point - they were all proud that they had listened to the rumours and not been caught out!
So essentially you're asking us to be altruistic, and drink our sugarless tea with an upper lip fortified by the knowledge that if we'd bought an extra couple of bags someone else instead of us would be going without?
I'm not asking you to do anything.
Ah, sorry - when I asked for advice on stockpiling and you replied with "Don't?" I thought you were telling me not to stockpile.
If Boris Johnson's Deal passes it will likely be due to a Tory majority after the next general election and Boris would then likely extend the transition period to December 2022 if negotiations needed to continue on a FTA
So - as we're just four days away from No Deal - any advice on stockpiling?
Don't?
Way back in the 80's there were rumours that there would be a sugar shortage. My grandmother proceeded to stockpile 30 bags of sugar and, to be fair, so did all her neighbours. Guess what? There was a sugar shortage!
But not in your grandmother's house, by the sound of it.
You don't have to run faster than the lion, only faster than at least one of the other people who are running away from it.
Most people had enough sugar (because they'd hoarded it) or knew someone who had. And - to answer Floater's point - they were all proud that they had listened to the rumours and not been caught out!
So essentially you're asking us to be altruistic, and drink our sugarless tea with an upper lip fortified by the knowledge that if we'd bought an extra couple of bags someone else instead of us would be going without?
I'm not asking you to do anything. I'm just pointing out that stockpiling is the quickest way to have a shortage of something.
Done right, it's the quickest way for other people to have a shortage of something.
So - as we're just four days away from No Deal - any advice on stockpiling?
Don't?
Way back in the 80's there were rumours that there would be a sugar shortage. My grandmother proceeded to stockpile 30 bags of sugar and, to be fair, so did all her neighbours. Guess what? There was a sugar shortage!
But not in your grandmother's house, by the sound of it.
You don't have to run faster than the lion, only faster than at least one of the other people who are running away from it.
Most people had enough sugar (because they'd hoarded it) or knew someone who had. And - to answer Floater's point - they were all proud that they had listened to the rumours and not been caught out!
So essentially you're asking us to be altruistic, and drink our sugarless tea with an upper lip fortified by the knowledge that if we'd bought an extra couple of bags someone else instead of us would be going without?
I'm not asking you to do anything. I'm just pointing out that stockpiling is the quickest way to have a shortage of something.
Done right, it's the quickest way for other people to have a shortage of something.
Prisoner's Dilemma.
?
Surely, done right - that is sufficiently far in advance - it reduces demand if there is a shortage and alleviates the effects on everyone else.
So - as we're just four days away from No Deal - any advice on stockpiling?
Don't?
Way back in the 80's there were rumours that there would be a sugar shortage. My grandmother proceeded to stockpile 30 bags of sugar and, to be fair, so did all her neighbours. Guess what? There was a sugar shortage!
But not in your grandmother's house, by the sound of it.
You don't have to run faster than the lion, only faster than at least one of the other people who are running away from it.
Most people had enough sugar (because they'd hoarded it) or knew someone who had. And - to answer Floater's point - they were all proud that they had listened to the rumours and not been caught out!
So essentially you're asking us to be altruistic, and drink our sugarless tea with an upper lip fortified by the knowledge that if we'd bought an extra couple of bags someone else instead of us would be going without?
I'm not asking you to do anything.
Ah, sorry - when I asked for advice on stockpiling and you replied with "Don't?" I thought you were telling me not to stockpile.
Now there’s a confusing series of double negatives.
I think actually the advice was ‘do nothing,’ i.e. refrain from stockpiling.
If Boris Johnson's Deal passes it will likely be due to a Tory majority after the next general election and Boris would then likely extend the transition period to December 2022 if negotiations needed to continue on a FTA
The best plan would be to extend the transition to 2090. Let three generations hence sort out the pointless exit.
I think the Tories should take the SNP/LD motion and run with it.
Yes, why wouldn't they?
From the discussion this morning, it's because they want an election, but if there is an election they want to be able to say that no one else wanted one. I gather Dominic Cummings has "wargamed" the paradox, but I'm not privy to his conclusions.
If Boris Johnson's Deal passes it will likely be due to a Tory majority after the next general election and Boris would then likely extend the transition period to December 2022 if negotiations needed to continue on a FTA
The best plan would be to extend the transition to 2090. Let three generations hence sort out the pointless exit.
Or the other 27 could leave the EU and form their own block, meaning we haven’t left the EU but we’re still in a different organisation.
So - as we're just four days away from No Deal - any advice on stockpiling?
Don't?
Way back in the 80's there were rumours that there would be a sugar shortage. My grandmother proceeded to stockpile 30 bags of sugar and, to be fair, so did all her neighbours. Guess what? There was a sugar shortage!
But not in your grandmother's house, by the sound of it.
You don't have to run faster than the lion, only faster than at least one of the other people who are running away from it.
Most people had enough sugar (because they'd hoarded it) or knew someone who had. And - to answer Floater's point - they were all proud that they had listened to the rumours and not been caught out!
So essentially you're asking us to be altruistic, and drink our sugarless tea with an upper lip fortified by the knowledge that if we'd bought an extra couple of bags someone else instead of us would be going without?
I'm not asking you to do anything.
Ah, sorry - when I asked for advice on stockpiling and you replied with "Don't?" I thought you were telling me not to stockpile.
Now there’s a confusing series of double negatives.
I think actually the advice was ‘do nothing,’ i.e. refrain from stockpiling.
Yes, the advice was what I quoted - "Don't?" (which means "Do not").
I think the Tories should take the SNP/LD motion and run with it.
Yes, why wouldn't they?
From the discussion this morning, it's because they want an election, but if there is an election they want to be able to say that no one else wanted one. I gather Dominic Cummings has "wargamed" the paradox, but I'm not privy to his conclusions.
More likely they are chanting "not the briar patch".
So - as we're just four days away from No Deal - any advice on stockpiling?
Don't?
Way back in the 80's there were rumours that there would be a sugar shortage. My grandmother proceeded to stockpile 30 bags of sugar and, to be fair, so did all her neighbours. Guess what? There was a sugar shortage!
But not in your grandmother's house, by the sound of it.
You don't have to run faster than the lion, only faster than at least one of the other people who are running away from it.
Most people had enough sugar (because they'd hoarded it) or knew someone who had. And - to answer Floater's point - they were all proud that they had listened to the rumours and not been caught out!
So essentially you're asking us to be altruistic, and drink our sugarless tea with an upper lip fortified by the knowledge that if we'd bought an extra couple of bags someone else instead of us would be going without?
I'm not asking you to do anything. I'm just pointing out that stockpiling is the quickest way to have a shortage of something.
Done right, it's the quickest way for other people to have a shortage of something.
Prisoner's Dilemma.
?
Surely, done right - that is sufficiently far in advance - it reduces demand if there is a shortage and alleviates the effects on everyone else.
When the Leave campaign voted against May's Brexit deal twice, any moral authority to complain about irreconcilable Remainers should really go out the window. Once the people manufacturing the turd were telling somebody else to go sell it, they evacuated the democratic high ground labeled Get Brexit Done (TM). Well TM didn't, so BJ has found it harder.
So - as we're just four days away from No Deal - any advice on stockpiling?
Don't?
Way back in the 80's there were rumours that there would be a sugar shortage. My grandmother proceeded to stockpile 30 bags of sugar and, to be fair, so did all her neighbours. Guess what? There was a sugar shortage!
But not in your grandmother's house, by the sound of it.
You don't have to run faster than the lion, only faster than at least one of the other people who are running away from it.
Most people had enough sugar (because they'd hoarded it) or knew someone who had. And - to answer Floater's point - they were all proud that they had listened to the rumours and not been caught out!
So essentially you're asking us to be altruistic, and drink our sugarless tea with an upper lip fortified by the knowledge that if we'd bought an extra couple of bags someone else instead of us would be going without?
I'm not asking you to do anything.
Ah, sorry - when I asked for advice on stockpiling and you replied with "Don't?" I thought you were telling me not to stockpile.
Now there’s a confusing series of double negatives.
I think actually the advice was ‘do nothing,’ i.e. refrain from stockpiling.
Yes, the advice was what I quoted - "Don't?" (which means "Do not").
Probably my fault; the question mark was designed to suggest that this was a suggestion rather than an imperative. I try not to tell other people what to do; I leave that to the politicians!
So - as we're just four days away from No Deal - any advice on stockpiling?
Don't?
Way back in the 80's there were rumours that there would be a sugar shortage. My grandmother proceeded to stockpile 30 bags of sugar and, to be fair, so did all her neighbours. Guess what? There was a sugar shortage!
But not in your grandmother's house, by the sound of it.
You don't have to run faster than the lion, only faster than at least one of the other people who are running away from it.
Most people had enough sugar (because they'd hoarded it) or knew someone who had. And - to answer Floater's point - they were all proud that they had listened to the rumours and not been caught out!
So essentially you're asking us to be altruistic, and drink our sugarless tea with an upper lip fortified by the knowledge that if we'd bought an extra couple of bags someone else instead of us would be going without?
I'm not asking you to do anything.
Ah, sorry - when I asked for advice on stockpiling and you replied with "Don't?" I thought you were telling me not to stockpile.
Now there’s a confusing series of double negatives.
I think actually the advice was ‘do nothing,’ i.e. refrain from stockpiling.
Yes, the advice was what I quoted - "Don't?" (which means "Do not").
Probably my fault; the question mark was designed to suggest that this was a suggestion rather than an imperative. I try not to tell other people what to do; I leave that to the politicians!
Ah, ok - if it was a question, my answer is "Do?" (but probably not this time)
"The Liberal Democrats and SNP have a plan for a 9 December election. Will it work? The few days difference between 9 December and 12 December could be vital for Remain campaigners.
"The Liberal Democrats and SNP have a plan for a 9 December election. Will it work? The few days difference between 9 December and 12 December could be vital for Remain campaigners.
I'm even more in favour of the LD/NP plan than the Tories tbh.
Johnson's deal needs a mandate. The situation (Even though its a bit of everyone's fault) of having to vote for it at gunpoint isn't great. If Macron forces the situation, LD/SNP won't go for the motion anyway so as to avoid a No Deal.
The first referendum has been thoroughly trashed, so I'd see a second as very much second place to a prior General Election.
My guess is this GE timetable is Nicola's idea actually (Who is no remain patsy as so many in parliament seem to be) . And it further makes Labour's objections to Johnson's proposed election look even more preposterous.
It's very good politics, I think in reality the concession needed from Johnson is small - he can run on "Get Brexit done & sunlit Tory uplands" in the GE campaign - SNP get more MPs and so do the Lib Dems in all likelihood.
I had a quartet (plus accumulator) of tiny tips for football (in my pre-race blog). Pleased that three of the match bets came off (Arsenal/Crystal Palace draw, plus wins for Liverpool and Manchester United). Wolves only drew with, rather than beat, Newcastle.
But given I have the footballing knowledge of a potato, that's not bad.
It is good to know we have taken back control of our destiny by voting Leave and that we have in no way become dependent on the whims of a shallow, petulant populist who is currently serving as President of France.
Labour had 13 years to introduce proportional representation. For some bizarre reason they didn't do so. (There was no need for a referendum IMO).
I think any major constitutional change should have a referendum.
I don’t think so. This country has proven its not politically mature enough to deal with referendums.
Because it gave the wrong answer?
The referendum itself was not the problem. The aftermath however...
The aftermath has been the MPs doing their best to defy the leave vote without looking like they are. Boris just got a deal after they said he wouldn't, he tried to pass it and now they won't.
Pity the voters who have given the instruction, not the establishment who won't listen to it.
In hindsight, I increasingly think I was wrong to have backed LEAVE.
Back from Barcelona last night. Wonderful city, lots of grand buildings and WIDE boulevards. The Sagrada Familia cathedral the iconic centrepiece. Also visited a number of other buildings designed by Antoni Gaudi: Casa Batllo, Casa Vicens, Casa Mila, Park Guell, Palau Guell and the Domench Montenar-designed Sant Pau hospital and Palau de la Musica. Other highlights we visited included the Tibidabo Church on a hilltop overlooking the city, the more traditional Gothic Cathedral, the Olympic Stadium, FC Barcelona's Nude Camp stadium, Montjuic Castle, Museum of Catalan Art, Catalonia Plaza, and Torre Agbar (Barcelona's answer to The Gherkin).
Ubergeekery-wise, I didn't do as much of the Barcelona Metro as I would have liked, as I was with my mum (holiday was her birthday present!), but I did do line L9 from the Airport to Collblanc, L5 from Collblanc to Sant Pau, L3 from Diagonal to Parallel, L7 from Catalonia Plaza to Avenue of Tididabo, and the funicular from Parallel up to Montjuic (near the Olympics). Unfortunately, the funicular up to the Tibidabo Church, the one I really wanted to do, was closed for track and train renewal, so we had to make do with a replacement bus! Views from up there was worth it, though!
Demonstration-wise, didn't see much in the way of Catalan marchers, though we did see some rather good-natured Chilean demonstrators on Thursday afternoon, protesting against their government, who went on a march from Catalonia Plaza later that evening. On Friday night, we were coming back from the beach area but our bus was diverted away from the Plaza, presumably because of Catalan protests in that vicinity, and we had to have dinner at an alternative place. But apart from that the visit was trouble-free, and the city of Barcelona is highly recommended!
If we do get another hung parliament, with a majority of MPs elected on manifesto commitments to either a second referendum or cancelling Brexit outright, I wonder if the PBTories will stick to their recent insistence that that election should decide Brexit once and for all.
It's a big reason Boris should have gone the harder route of trying the WAIB when he could have. A lot of remainers thought it would get through. Instead he got frit, saw it would be tough, and like May gave in to temptation to get a big majority to do it properly, and while he might succeed where she failed, he's opened the door to remain after it was almost shut in their faces.
Also, if the Tories thought it was hard getting Labour MPs to vote for Brexit deals in this parliament, it will be MUCH harder after the next one. Of all the Lab MPs who were considering voting for a deal, either they will be voted out at the election; or they will have just been re-elected on explicit commitments to a new referendum, therefore will feel they have much more of a 'mandate' to point-blank refuse any Tory Brexit deal.
If there's not a Tory majority in the election, for the first time I'll think Brexit is over.
You're 100% correct.
If there's not a Tory majority its quite probable that it is over. So why are Remainers not up for an election?
The two most Remainy parties literally announced a plan today for an election even earlier than Johnson’s preferred date.
Turned out differently: Left (ex=Communist) 30.6 AfD (far right) 23.6 CDU (Tories) 22.1 SPD (social democrats) 8.3 Greens 5.0 (may get over the threshold for seats, may not) FDP (liberals) 5.0 (ditto)
The Left led the outgoing government and were generally seen as competent and moderate, but their coalition partners suffered badly. The Left leader Kamelow is very popular - 70% approval, including 60% of CDU voters - and the ex-Communists are seen by most voters as "centrists". It's another world...
If we do get another hung parliament, with a majority of MPs elected on manifesto commitments to either a second referendum or cancelling Brexit outright, I wonder if the PBTories will stick to their recent insistence that that election should decide Brexit once and for all.
It's a big reason Boris should have gone the harder route of trying the WAIB when he could have. A lot of remainers thought it would get through. Instead he got frit, saw it would be tough, and like May gave in to temptation to get a big majority to do it properly, and while he might succeed where she failed, he's opened the door to remain after it was almost shut in their faces.
Also, if the Tories thought it was hard getting Labour MPs to vote for Brexit deals in this parliament, it will be MUCH harder after the next one. Of all the Lab MPs who were considering voting for a deal, either they will be voted out at the election; or they will have just been re-elected on explicit commitments to a new referendum, therefore will feel they have much more of a 'mandate' to point-blank refuse any Tory Brexit deal.
If there's not a Tory majority in the election, for the first time I'll think Brexit is over.
You're 100% correct.
If there's not a Tory majority its quite probable that it is over. So why are Remainers not up for an election?
The two most Remainy parties literally announced a plan today for an election even earlier than Johnson’s preferred date.
If that’s not “up for an election”...
How about voting for the election on a straight vote and not gameplaying?
Both Green and LibDems made it in. The CDU are contemplating "tolerating" the Left government, to avoid cooperation with the AfD. The Green leader says ruefully that the bad result is partly because the state has no major towns (and the Green vote is heavily urban, ironically) and partly that the Greens stand for change and the state has frankly had enough change for 3 lifetimes after reunification and wants a bit of peace and quiet.
The general rule that being a minor coalition partner is death is proven true once again.
If we do get another hung parliament, with a majority of MPs elected on manifesto commitments to either a second referendum or cancelling Brexit outright, I wonder if the PBTories will stick to their recent insistence that that election should decide Brexit once and for all.
It's a big reason Boris should have gone the harder route of trying the WAIB when he could have. A lot of remainers thought it would get through. Instead he got frit, saw it would be tough, and like May gave in to temptation to get a big majority to do it properly, and while he might succeed where she failed, he's opened the door to remain after it was almost shut in their faces.
Also, if the Tories thought it was hard getting Labour MPs to vote for Brexit deals in this parliament, it will be MUCH harder after the next one. Of all the Lab MPs who were considering voting for a deal, either they will be voted out at the election; or they will have just been re-elected on explicit commitments to a new referendum, therefore will feel they have much more of a 'mandate' to point-blank refuse any Tory Brexit deal.
If there's not a Tory majority in the election, for the first time I'll think Brexit is over.
You're 100% correct.
If there's not a Tory majority its quite probable that it is over. So why are Remainers not up for an election?
The two most Remainy parties literally announced a plan today for an election even earlier than Johnson’s preferred date.
If that’s not “up for an election”...
How about voting for the election on a straight vote and not gameplaying?
As Mr. Buttigieg increasingly presents himself to Democrats as a younger, moderate alternative to former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., he is struggling badly to compete against one of Mr. Biden’s strengths: deep connections to black voters. Nowhere is that problem greater than in South Carolina, which votes fourth in the Democratic nomination
If we do get another hung parliament, with a majority of MPs elected on manifesto commitments to either a second referendum or cancelling Brexit outright, I wonder if the PBTories will stick to their recent insistence that that election should decide Brexit once and for all.
It's a big reason Boris should have gone the harder route of trying the WAIB when he could have. A lot of remainers thought it would get through. Instead he got frit, saw it would be tough, and like May gave in to temptation to get a big majority to do it properly, and while he might succeed where she failed, he's opened the door to remain after it was almost shut in their faces.
Also, if the Tories thought it was hard getting Labour MPs to vote for Brexit deals in this parliament, it will be MUCH harder after the next one. Of all the Lab MPs who were considering voting for a deal, either they will be voted out at the election; or they will have just been re-elected on explicit commitments to a new referendum, therefore will feel they have much more of a 'mandate' to point-blank refuse any Tory Brexit deal.
If there's not a Tory majority in the election, for the first time I'll think Brexit is over.
You're 100% correct.
If there's not a Tory majority its quite probable that it is over. So why are Remainers not up for an election?
The two most Remainy parties literally announced a plan today for an election even earlier than Johnson’s preferred date.
If that’s not “up for an election”...
How about voting for the election on a straight vote and not gameplaying?
It is a straight vote.
The FTPA 2/3 vote is a straight vote.
A one line bill is an amendable vote. If they back a straight vote and it fails due to Labour cowardice then a bill might be a next best shot, but a straight vote first should be tried.
Labour had 13 years to introduce proportional representation. For some bizarre reason they didn't do so. (There was no need for a referendum IMO).
I think any major constitutional change should have a referendum.
I don’t think so. This country has proven its not politically mature enough to deal with referendums.
Because it gave the wrong answer?
The referendum itself was not the problem. The aftermath however...
The aftermath has been the MPs doing their best to defy the leave vote without looking like they are. Boris just got a deal after they said he wouldn't, he tried to pass it and now they won't.
Pity the voters who have given the instruction, not the establishment who won't listen to it.
Yeah you’re just proving my point.
Its OK Max Gallowgate if voting for Tory Swinson in order to ensure a hard Johnson BREXIT wins
Labour had 13 years to introduce proportional representation. For some bizarre reason they didn't do so. (There was no need for a referendum IMO).
I think any major constitutional change should have a referendum.
I don’t think so. This country has proven its not politically mature enough to deal with referendums.
Because it gave the wrong answer?
The referendum itself was not the problem. The aftermath however...
The aftermath has been the MPs doing their best to defy the leave vote without looking like they are. Boris just got a deal after they said he wouldn't, he tried to pass it and now they won't.
Pity the voters who have given the instruction, not the establishment who won't listen to it.
Yeah you’re just proving my point.
Its OK Max Gallowgate if voting for Tory Swinson in order to ensure a hard Johnson BREXIT wins
If that’s what happens then so be it. If you’re worried maybe Labour should stand aside for the Lib Dems?
If we do get another hung parliament, with a majority of MPs elected on manifesto commitments to either a second referendum or cancelling Brexit outright, I wonder if the PBTories will stick to their recent insistence that that election should decide Brexit once and for all.
It's a big reason Boris should have gone the harder route of trying the WAIB when he could have. A lot of remainers thought it would get through. Instead he got frit, saw it would be tough, and like May gave in to temptation to get a big majority to do it properly, and while he might succeed where she failed, he's opened the door to remain after it was almost shut in their faces.
Also, if the Tories thought it was hard getting Labour MPs to vote for Brexit deals in this parliament, it will be MUCH harder after the next one. Of all the Lab MPs who were considering voting for a deal, either they will be voted out at the election; or they will have just been re-elected on explicit commitments to a new referendum, therefore will feel they have much more of a 'mandate' to point-blank refuse any Tory Brexit deal.
If there's not a Tory majority in the election, for the first time I'll think Brexit is over.
You're 100% correct.
If there's not a Tory majority its quite probable that it is over. So why are Remainers not up for an election?
The two most Remainy parties literally announced a plan today for an election even earlier than Johnson’s preferred date.
If that’s not “up for an election”...
How about voting for the election on a straight vote and not gameplaying?
It is a straight vote.
The FTPA 2/3 vote is a straight vote.
A one line bill is an amendable vote. If they back a straight vote and it fails due to Labour cowardice then a bill might be a next best shot, but a straight vote first should be tried.
Well yes but you’re accusing them of game playing when Boris’s ‘vote for an election or i’ll withdraw the WAIB’ is exactly that.
Labour had 13 years to introduce proportional representation. For some bizarre reason they didn't do so. (There was no need for a referendum IMO).
I think any major constitutional change should have a referendum.
I don’t think so. This country has proven its not politically mature enough to deal with referendums.
Because it gave the wrong answer?
The referendum itself was not the problem. The aftermath however...
The aftermath has been the MPs doing their best to defy the leave vote without looking like they are. Boris just got a deal after they said he wouldn't, he tried to pass it and now they won't.
Pity the voters who have given the instruction, not the establishment who won't listen to it.
Yeah you’re just proving my point.
Its OK Max Gallowgate if voting for Tory Swinson in order to ensure a hard Johnson BREXIT wins
If that’s what happens then so be it. If you’re worried maybe Labour should stand aside for the Lib Dems?
Exactly. Labour have a hard ceiling because of Corbyn's bigotry and extremism. Swinson could go far higher.
In hindsight, I increasingly think I was wrong to have backed LEAVE.
Back from Barcelona last night. Wonderful city, lots of grand buildings and WIDE boulevards. The Sagrada Familia cathedral the iconic centrepiece. Also visited a number of other buildings designed by Antoni Gaudi: Casa Batllo, Casa Vicens, Casa Mila, Park Guell, Palau Guell and the Domench Montenar-designed Sant Pau hospital and Palau de la Musica. Other highlights we visited included the Tibidabo Church on a hilltop overlooking the city, the more traditional Gothic Cathedral, the Olympic Stadium, FC Barcelona's Nude Camp stadium, Montjuic Castle, Museum of Catalan Art, Catalonia Plaza, and Torre Agbar (Barcelona's answer to The Gherkin).
Ubergeekery-wise, I didn't do as much of the Barcelona Metro as I would have liked, as I was with my mum (holiday was her birthday present!), but I did do line L9 from the Airport to Collblanc, L5 from Collblanc to Sant Pau, L3 from Diagonal to Parallel, L7 from Catalonia Plaza to Avenue of Tididabo, and the funicular from Parallel up to Montjuic (near the Olympics). Unfortunately, the funicular up to the Tibidabo Church, the one I really wanted to do, was closed for track and train renewal, so we had to make do with a replacement bus! Views from up there was worth it, though!
Demonstration-wise, didn't see much in the way of Catalan marchers, though we did see some rather good-natured Chilean demonstrators on Thursday afternoon, protesting against their government, who went on a march from Catalonia Plaza later that evening. On Friday night, we were coming back from the beach area but our bus was diverted away from the Plaza, presumably because of Catalan protests in that vicinity, and we had to have dinner at an alternative place. But apart from that the visit was trouble-free, and the city of Barcelona is highly recommended!
I think everyone is well aware of your change of heart on Brexit. Not really sure how Barcelona being good is an argument either way.
Turned out differently: Left (ex=Communist) 30.6 AfD (far right) 23.6 CDU (Tories) 22.1 SPD (social democrats) 8.3 Greens 5.0 (may get over the threshold for seats, may not) FDP (liberals) 5.0 (ditto)
The Left led the outgoing government and were generally seen as competent and moderate, but their coalition partners suffered badly. The Left leader Kamelow is very popular - 70% approval, including 60% of CDU voters - and the ex-Communists are seen by most voters as "centrists". It's another world...
If we do get another hung parliament, with a majority of MPs elected on manifesto commitments to either a second referendum or cancelling Brexit outright, I wonder if the PBTories will stick to their recent insistence that that election should decide Brexit once and for all.
It's a big reason Boris should have gone the harder route of trying the WAIB when he could have. A lot of remainers thought it would get through. Instead he got frit, saw it would be tough, and like May gave in to temptation to get a big majority to do it properly, and while he might succeed where she failed, he's opened the door to remain after it was almost shut in their faces.
Also, if the Tories thought it was hard getting Labour MPs to vote for Brexit deals in this parliament, it will be MUCH harder after the next one. Of all the Lab MPs who were considering voting for a deal, either they will be voted out at the election; or they will have just been re-elected on explicit commitments to a new referendum, therefore will feel they have much more of a 'mandate' to point-blank refuse any Tory Brexit deal.
If there's not a Tory majority in the election, for the first time I'll think Brexit is over.
You're 100% correct.
If there's not a Tory majority its quite probable that it is over. So why are Remainers not up for an election?
The two most Remainy parties literally announced a plan today for an election even earlier than Johnson’s preferred date.
If that’s not “up for an election”...
How about voting for the election on a straight vote and not gameplaying?
It is a straight vote.
The FTPA 2/3 vote is a straight vote.
A one line bill is an amendable vote. If they back a straight vote and it fails due to Labour cowardice then a bill might be a next best shot, but a straight vote first should be tried.
Well yes but you’re accusing them of game playing when Boris’s ‘vote for an election or i’ll withdraw the WAIB’ is exactly that.
It’s one of those irregular conjugations. I am making a principled offer, you are game-playing, he is denying democracy etc. etc.
Labour had 13 years to introduce proportional representation. For some bizarre reason they didn't do so. (There was no need for a referendum IMO).
I think any major constitutional change should have a referendum.
I don’t think so. This country has proven its not politically mature enough to deal with referendums.
Because it gave the wrong answer?
The referendum itself was not the problem. The aftermath however...
The aftermath has been the MPs doing their best to defy the leave vote without looking like they are. Boris just got a deal after they said he wouldn't, he tried to pass it and now they won't.
Pity the voters who have given the instruction, not the establishment who won't listen to it.
Yeah you’re just proving my point.
Its OK Max Gallowgate if voting for Tory Swinson in order to ensure a hard Johnson BREXIT wins
If that’s what happens then so be it. If you’re worried maybe Labour should stand aside for the Lib Dems?
Every LD seat is a vote for
Johnson as PM (Hard BREXIT Trump trade Deal with Chlorinated Chicken and US owned /run NHS)
Why would LAB stand aside for a party that is going to side with the Tories after a GE?
More relevant why did some if thrm react as if December was unacceptable before thinking about alternatives and making a judgement in the first place?
They'll be queuing at the border if Scotland get's its independance. What a time it would be to be Scottish. They don't need to worry about the nighmare of a Johnson/Cummings government or the looming disaster of years of Brexiting.
Scotland, as a new state, would not be part of the EU.
It wouldn't take long for accession to be realised though. They've already aligned with the acquis communautaire so it should be, to coin a phrase, 'the easiest deal in history'.
But under the treaty defined rules for new accessions they would have to adopt both Schengen and the Euro. So a hard border with England.
If Boris Johnson's Deal passes it will likely be due to a Tory majority after the next general election and Boris would then likely extend the transition period to December 2022 if negotiations needed to continue on a FTA
The best plan would be to extend the transition to 2090. Let three generations hence sort out the pointless exit.
Even Canada got an EU FTA in 7 years, not three generations and we already have closer ties with the EU than they had before that was agreed
Labour had 13 years to introduce proportional representation. For some bizarre reason they didn't do so. (There was no need for a referendum IMO).
I think any major constitutional change should have a referendum.
I don’t think so. This country has proven its not politically mature enough to deal with referendums.
Because it gave the wrong answer?
The referendum itself was not the problem. The aftermath however...
The aftermath has been the MPs doing their best to defy the leave vote without looking like they are. Boris just got a deal after they said he wouldn't, he tried to pass it and now they won't.
Pity the voters who have given the instruction, not the establishment who won't listen to it.
Yeah you’re just proving my point.
Its OK Max Gallowgate if voting for Tory Swinson in order to ensure a hard Johnson BREXIT wins
If that’s what happens then so be it. If you’re worried maybe Labour should stand aside for the Lib Dems?
Every LD seat is a vote for
Johnson as PM (Hard BREXIT Trump trade Deal with Chlorinated Chicken and US owned /run NHS)
Why would LAB stand aside for a party that is going to side with the Tories after a GE?
Why would I vote for a party lead by Jeremy Corbyn?
Labour had 13 years to introduce proportional representation. For some bizarre reason they didn't do so. (There was no need for a referendum IMO).
I think any major constitutional change should have a referendum.
I don’t think so. This country has proven its not politically mature enough to deal with referendums.
Because it gave the wrong answer?
The referendum itself was not the problem. The aftermath however...
The aftermath has been the MPs doing their best to defy the leave vote without looking like they are. Boris just got a deal after they said he wouldn't, he tried to pass it and now they won't.
Pity the voters who have given the instruction, not the establishment who won't listen to it.
Yeah you’re just proving my point.
Its OK Max Gallowgate if voting for Tory Swinson in order to ensure a hard Johnson BREXIT wins
If that’s what happens then so be it. If you’re worried maybe Labour should stand aside for the Lib Dems?
Every LD seat is a vote for
Johnson as PM (Hard BREXIT Trump trade Deal with Chlorinated Chicken and US owned /run NHS)
Why would LAB stand aside for a party that is going to side with the Tories after a GE?
Why would I vote for a party lead by Jeremy Corbyn?
Labour had 13 years to introduce proportional representation. For some bizarre reason they didn't do so. (There was no need for a referendum IMO).
I think any major constitutional change should have a referendum.
I don’t think so. This country has proven its not politically mature enough to deal with referendums.
Because it gave the wrong answer?
The referendum itself was not the problem. The aftermath however...
The aftermath has been the MPs doing their best to defy the leave vote without looking like they are. Boris just got a deal after they said he wouldn't, he tried to pass it and now they won't.
Pity the voters who have given the instruction, not the establishment who won't listen to it.
Yeah you’re just proving my point.
Its OK Max Gallowgate if voting for Tory Swinson in order to ensure a hard Johnson BREXIT wins
If that’s what happens then so be it. If you’re worried maybe Labour should stand aside for the Lib Dems?
Every LD seat is a vote for
Johnson as PM (Hard BREXIT Trump trade Deal with Chlorinated Chicken and US owned /run NHS)
Why would LAB stand aside for a party that is going to side with the Tories after a GE?
Is Labour following its members and finally adopting a clear anti Brexit position? I missed it. Better than the fence sitting and flim flam.
The only way Brexit happens is with a Tory majority government.
The best way to get a Tory majority government is a Dec election.
The only party resisting a Dec election is Labour.
Ergo Labour are the only Remain party. All others have given up.
QED. Algebra.
Unsurprising to anyone that knows them, that the Lib Dems put the prospect of gaining a dozen seats or two above their declared number one priority of stopping Brexit.
As Mr. Buttigieg increasingly presents himself to Democrats as a younger, moderate alternative to former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., he is struggling badly to compete against one of Mr. Biden’s strengths: deep connections to black voters. Nowhere is that problem greater than in South Carolina, which votes fourth in the Democratic nomination
In hindsight, I increasingly think I was wrong to have backed LEAVE.
Back from Barcelona last night. Wonderful city, lots of grand buildings and WIDE boulevards. The Sagrada Familia cathedral the iconic centrepiece. Also visited a number of other buildings designed by Antoni Gaudi: Casa Batllo, Casa Vicens, Casa Mila, Park Guell, Palau Guell and the Domench Montenar-designed Sant Pau hospital and Palau de la Musica. Other highlights we visited included the Tibidabo Church on a hilltop overlooking the city, the more traditional Gothic Cathedral, the Olympic Stadium, FC Barcelona's Nude Camp stadium, Montjuic Castle, Museum of Catalan Art, Catalonia Plaza, and Torre Agbar (Barcelona's answer to The Gherkin).
Ubergeekery-wise, I didn't do as much of the Barcelona Metro as I would have liked, as I was with my mum (holiday was her birthday present!), but I did do line L9 from the Airport to Collblanc, L5 from Collblanc to Sant Pau, L3 from Diagonal to Parallel, L7 from Catalonia Plaza to Avenue of Tididabo, and the funicular from Parallel up to Montjuic (near the Olympics). Unfortunately, the funicular up to the Tibidabo Church, the one I really wanted to do, was closed for track and train renewal, so we had to make do with a replacement bus! Views from up there was worth it, though!
Demonstration-wise, didn't see much in the way of Catalan marchers, though we did see some rather good-natured Chilean demonstrators on Thursday afternoon, protesting against their government, who went on a march from Catalonia Plaza later that evening. On Friday night, we were coming back from the beach area but our bus was diverted away from the Plaza, presumably because of Catalan protests in that vicinity, and we had to have dinner at an alternative place. But apart from that the visit was trouble-free, and the city of Barcelona is highly recommended!
I think everyone is well aware of your change of heart on Brexit. Not really sure how Barcelona being good is an argument either way.
Er, I came back from Barcelona last night after a week of only intermittent presence on PB. Thanks for "welcoming" me back anyway.
Labour had 13 years to introduce proportional representation. For some bizarre reason they didn't do so. (There was no need for a referendum IMO).
I think any major constitutional change should have a referendum.
I don’t think so. This country has proven its not politically mature enough to deal with referendums.
Because it gave the wrong answer?
The referendum itself was not the problem. The aftermath however...
The aftermath has been the MPs doing their best to defy the leave vote without looking like they are. Boris just got a deal after they said he wouldn't, he tried to pass it and now they won't.
Pity the voters who have given the instruction, not the establishment who won't listen to it.
Yeah you’re just proving my point.
Its OK Max Gallowgate if voting for Tory Swinson in order to ensure a hard Johnson BREXIT wins
If that’s what happens then so be it. If you’re worried maybe Labour should stand aside for the Lib Dems?
Every LD seat is a vote for
Johnson as PM (Hard BREXIT Trump trade Deal with Chlorinated Chicken and US owned /run NHS)
Why would LAB stand aside for a party that is going to side with the Tories after a GE?
Why would I vote for a party lead by Jeremy Corbyn?
2nd Referendum (Remains best chance)
NHS safe from Trump and returned to not for profit
Council Housing Returns giving the young the best chance of an affordable house
Only Anti Austerity Party.
YOU CAN BE CERTAIN THEY WONT GO INTO COALITION WITH Johnson
Labour had 13 years to introduce proportional representation. For some bizarre reason they didn't do so. (There was no need for a referendum IMO).
I think any major constitutional change should have a referendum.
I don’t think so. This country has proven its not politically mature enough to deal with referendums.
Because it gave the wrong answer?
The referendum itself was not the problem. The aftermath however...
The aftermath has been the MPs doing their best to defy the leave vote without looking like they are. Boris just got a deal after they said he wouldn't, he tried to pass it and now they won't.
Pity the voters who have given the instruction, not the establishment who won't listen to it.
Yeah you’re just proving my point.
Its OK Max Gallowgate if voting for Tory Swinson in order to ensure a hard Johnson BREXIT wins
If that’s what happens then so be it. If you’re worried maybe Labour should stand aside for the Lib Dems?
Every LD seat is a vote for
Johnson as PM (Hard BREXIT Trump trade Deal with Chlorinated Chicken and US owned /run NHS)
Why would LAB stand aside for a party that is going to side with the Tories after a GE?
Can we get Gypsy Rose Lee to let us know what Corbyn's got in mind?
Comments
But let's step back for a moment.
In the immediate aftermath of the election, there was a genuine acceptance of the result. The polling evidence at the time showed 80+% of people believed the result should be implemented.
What happened? Why did that change?
Well, I think there were three major missteps:
Firstly, was Mrs May's "red lines".
Secondly, there was the election.
Thirdly, there was the trashing of Mrs May's deal as "not real Brexit".
The first alienated a chunk of the "well we lost, but we're all in this together" bunch. The second lost the Conservatives their majority, and resulted in a more Remain-y parliament. The third appeared to be more about BJ getting into Number Ten than getting Brexit done.
There are indeed many ways in which the Government (not the Leave campaign as they were not in power) screwed up after the result but the idea that there would not be myriad attempts to block or overturn Brexit is fanciful.
Prisoner's Dilemma.
Surely, done right - that is sufficiently far in advance - it reduces demand if there is a shortage and alleviates the effects on everyone else.
I think actually the advice was ‘do nothing,’ i.e. refrain from stockpiling.
You may laugh, but...
Well, on Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares just now on 4seven Gordon was served up a portion of sushi pizza. He spat it out!
I'd put money on it but hate betting.....
The few days difference between 9 December and 12 December could be vital for Remain campaigners.
Stephen Bush"
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2019/10/liberal-democrats-and-snp-have-plan-9-december-election-will-it-work
Johnson's deal needs a mandate. The situation (Even though its a bit of everyone's fault) of having to vote for it at gunpoint isn't great. If Macron forces the situation, LD/SNP won't go for the motion anyway so as to avoid a No Deal.
The first referendum has been thoroughly trashed, so I'd see a second as very much second place to a prior General Election.
My guess is this GE timetable is Nicola's idea actually (Who is no remain patsy as so many in parliament seem to be) . And it further makes Labour's objections to Johnson's proposed election look even more preposterous.
It's very good politics, I think in reality the concession needed from Johnson is small - he can run on "Get Brexit done & sunlit Tory uplands" in the GE campaign - SNP get more MPs and so do the Lib Dems in all likelihood.
But given I have the footballing knowledge of a potato, that's not bad.
Edited extra bit: added blog note.
Edited extra bit: anyway, I'm off. Forty minutes or so until the sport starts.
Back from Barcelona last night. Wonderful city, lots of grand buildings and WIDE boulevards. The Sagrada Familia cathedral the iconic centrepiece. Also visited a number of other buildings designed by Antoni Gaudi: Casa Batllo, Casa Vicens, Casa Mila, Park Guell, Palau Guell and the Domench Montenar-designed Sant Pau hospital and Palau de la Musica. Other highlights we visited included the Tibidabo Church on a hilltop overlooking the city, the more traditional Gothic Cathedral, the Olympic Stadium, FC Barcelona's Nude Camp stadium, Montjuic Castle, Museum of Catalan Art, Catalonia Plaza, and Torre Agbar (Barcelona's answer to The Gherkin).
Ubergeekery-wise, I didn't do as much of the Barcelona Metro as I would have liked, as I was with my mum (holiday was her birthday present!), but I did do line L9 from the Airport to Collblanc, L5 from Collblanc to Sant Pau, L3 from Diagonal to Parallel, L7 from Catalonia Plaza to Avenue of Tididabo, and the funicular from Parallel up to Montjuic (near the Olympics). Unfortunately, the funicular up to the Tibidabo Church, the one I really wanted to do, was closed for track and train renewal, so we had to make do with a replacement bus! Views from up there was worth it, though!
Demonstration-wise, didn't see much in the way of Catalan marchers, though we did see some rather good-natured Chilean demonstrators on Thursday afternoon, protesting against their government, who went on a march from Catalonia Plaza later that evening. On Friday night, we were coming back from the beach area but our bus was diverted away from the Plaza, presumably because of Catalan protests in that vicinity, and we had to have dinner at an alternative place. But apart from that the visit was trouble-free, and the city of Barcelona is highly recommended!
Liverpool Wavertree: Paula Baker. Backed by Momentum
Blyth Valley: Susan Dungworth. Local Cllr. Backed by retiring MP
Bassetlaw: Sally Gimson. Camdem Councillor. All locals didn't made the shortlist. NEC wanted Keir Morrison (who is from Ashfield).
Vauxhall: Florance Eshalomi. Currently Assembly Member for Southwark & Lambeth. Not from the left of the party.
Nottingham East: Nadia Whittome. Young left wing anti Brexit campaigner.
Poplar and Limehouse: well, they are running late. It's Tower Hamlets afterall!
In the last few days
Ealing North: James Murray. Currently London Deputy Mayor for Housing
City of Durham: Marie Foy. Gateshead BC Cabinet Member
Enfield North: Feryal Clark. Hackney Cllr. All local leftists were excluded from the shortlist by the NEC panel. There were some protests about it.
Rother Valley: Sophie Wilson. Left wing Sheffield Cllr
Penistone and Stockbridge: Francyne Johnson. Local Cllr
Bury South: Lucy Burke. The CLP Secretary.
Cynon Valley: Bethan Winter. The CLP Vice Chair.
Hull North: Diana Johnson. The triggered sitting MP won the open selection against a local councillor very easily.
He missed the points.
He passed the signals at dan[that’s enough - Ed.]
EU ambassadors meeting tomorrow morning . This could really embarrass him if they agree the 3 month extension .
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1188529939777232897?s=21
Exclusive: UK will have option to leave earlier if deal is ratified, leaked draft shows
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/27/brexit-eu-prepares-grant-uk-three-month-extension
The French surrender.
Linke 28 seats
AfD 22 seats
CDU 21 seats
SDP 7 seats
Greens 5 seats
FDP 5 seats
This looks timed to humiliate Corbyn and his tragic attempts to avoid an election.
If that’s not “up for an election”...
At one point the police was called.
https://twitter.com/AdamAllnutt/status/1188494894966431744?s=20
http://hurryupharry.org/2019/10/27/stitch-up-in-walthamstow-south-agm/
Left (ex=Communist) 30.6
AfD (far right) 23.6
CDU (Tories) 22.1
SPD (social democrats) 8.3
Greens 5.0 (may get over the threshold for seats, may not)
FDP (liberals) 5.0 (ditto)
The Left led the outgoing government and were generally seen as competent and moderate, but their coalition partners suffered badly. The Left leader Kamelow is very popular - 70% approval, including 60% of CDU voters - and the ex-Communists are seen by most voters as "centrists". It's another world...
Anyway, it seems they have started voting now.
Thankfully they have a shortlist of 2. Otherwise they would have finished next week-end to count AV
Labour OTOH ........................................................................
Baby of House alert!!
https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1188519640978329601
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/27/us/politics/pete-buttigieg-south-carolina.html
A one line bill is an amendable vote. If they back a straight vote and it fails due to Labour cowardice then a bill might be a next best shot, but a straight vote first should be tried.
Lets get on with this and the 9th Dec is fine
For me it is time to get a new mandate and whatever that is I will be content other than Corbyn being anywhere near power
If you’re worried maybe Labour should stand aside for the Lib Dems?
Labour's moving the goalposts to Mars
Johnson as PM (Hard BREXIT Trump trade Deal with Chlorinated Chicken and US owned /run NHS)
Why would LAB stand aside for a party that is going to side with the Tories after a GE?
The best way to get a Tory majority government is a Dec election.
The only party resisting a Dec election is Labour.
Ergo Labour are the only Remain party. All others have given up.
QED. Algebra.
I doubt more than a few will vote for him.
NHS safe from Trump and returned to not for profit
Council Housing Returns giving the young the best chance of an affordable house
Only Anti Austerity Party.
YOU CAN BE CERTAIN THEY WONT GO INTO COALITION WITH Johnson
Labour can go cry.