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TheScreamingEagles

Told you all to lay the old guys.

Never in doubt, ahem.

Alistair

My girl Lizzie Dub

Nigelb

The latest polls look pretty brutal for Biden.
He’s got some strength in the south, but I don’t see how he wins this now. The electability argument just took a big hit.

Jonathan

US Trumpian politics looks more sensible than ours.

TheScreamingEagles

Definitely going to look into emigrating.

https://twitter.com/lowles_nick/status/1176967504918450178

Yellow_Submarine

Whoops.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/25/canadas-green-party-alters-photo-of-leader-elizabeth-may-using-single-use-cup

Foxy

TheScreamingEagles said:

Told you all to lay the old guys.

Never in doubt, ahem.

But @HYUFD saw some polls...

rottenborough

As I said earlier...

https://twitter.com/DAaronovitch/status/1176971061860229120

philiph

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/lowles_nick/status/1176967504918450178

The question this raises is how effectively do polling companies reach the cohort of voters motivated this way? How accurate will polls be?

ozymandias

TheScreamingEagles said:

Definitely going to look into emigrating.

https://twitter.com/lowles_nick/status/1176967504918450178

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2018/04/nick-griffin-declares-his-support-jeremy-corbyn

edmundintokyo

I wonder if Biden is going to stay in the race, he never seemed like he wanted it that much. If he drops out that leaves some room for somebody else to pick up the moderate banner, and that could be someone who currently has very long odds.

kyf_100

I'm green on Warren and Buttigieg thanks to some early tips here.

Never thought Sanders (proven loser, too old) or Biden (gaffe prone, too old) would make it.

What else looks like value at the minute? Harris? 17/1 on BF exchange right now.

rcs1000

edmundintokyo said:

I wonder if Biden is going to stay in the race, he never seemed like he wanted it that much. If he drops out that leaves some room for somebody else to pick up the moderate banner, and that could be someone who currently has very long odds.

You mean like the Senator from Minnesota?

TGOHF2

Not many blows landed by the opposition tonight - they brought back parliament for that ?

egg

On topic. Does Warren still have her barking totally unelectable policy of funding her programme by soaking the rich, where she won’t actually get the money so will never be able to pay for her spending promises?

rottenborough

edmundintokyo said:

I wonder if Biden is going to stay in the race, he never seemed like he wanted it that much. If he drops out that leaves some room for somebody else to pick up the moderate banner, and that could be someone who currently has very long odds.

Buttigieg.

ozymandias

TGOHF2 said:

Not many blows landed by the opposition tonight - they brought back parliament for that ?

Yep. Great innit.

HYUFD

Nigelb said:

The latest polls look pretty brutal for Biden.
He’s got some strength in the south, but I don’t see how he wins this now. The electability argument just took a big hit.

Quinnipiac still has Biden ahead with Democratic voters without a college degree, black voters, older voters and pensioners, lower income voters earning under $50k and Moderate/Conservative voters.

However Warren now leads with college educated Democrats, white Democratic voters, middle aged voters, high earning Democratic voters earning over $100k or middle income voters earning $50 to $100k and very Liberal or somewhat Liberal voters.

(Sanders leads with the youngest voters aged 18 to 34).

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3641

Andy_JS

All that bringing parliament back achieved was making everyone more angry than they were before.

Foxy

egg said:

On topic. Does Warren still have her barking totally unelectable policy of funding her programme by soaking the rich, where she won’t actually get the money so will never be able to pay for her spending promises?

Trumpinomics has demonstrated that debt and unfunded spending commitments are absolutely fine.

IanB2

rottenborough said:

As I said earlier...

https://twitter.com/DAaronovitch/status/1176971061860229120

He’s been reading his Cromwellian history and got a dose of delusions of grandeur.

FrancisUrquhart

More polling,

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7504983/Most-British-voters-want-snap-poll-think-Establishment-determined-block-Brexit.html

HYUFD

egg said:

On topic. Does Warren still have her barking totally unelectable policy of funding her programme by soaking the rich, where she won’t actually get the money so will never be able to pay for her spending promises?

Yes, diluted Corbynism from Warren

philiph

TGOHF2 said:

Not many blows landed by the opposition tonight - they brought back parliament for that ?

There is a strand of opinion that would happily suggest our governance would be improved if parliament sat for less time.

Respect for MPs is somewhat diminished from the halcyon days of yore.

edmundintokyo

rcs1000 said:

You mean like the Senator from Minnesota?

Come to think of it, yes they'd be wise to pick KLOBUCHAR.

But also Cory Booker, if he can make it through to the next debate. Biden's alliance is moderates and black voters, if that suddenly becomes available it wouldn't hurt to be black as well as moderate(-ish).

egg

edmundintokyo said:

I wonder if Biden is going to stay in the race, he never seemed like he wanted it that much. If he drops out that leaves some room for somebody else to pick up the moderate banner, and that could be someone who currently has very long odds.

That’s a good point. Butty Geek? Harris?

One thing Trump said in the phone call, Biden was publicly bragging about interfering in Ukraine justice and getting his son out of trouble, is there evidence Biden was bragging about that, can Trump refer to something to support what he claimed?

rcs1000

I think Elizabeth Warren is now looking a bit on the short side, odds-wise. This race still has a number of turns ahead of it, and I would be extremely surprised if she never traded at longer odds than currently.

So, who's value?

Well, once you eliminate the impossible (Sanders and Yang), then that leaves four moderate, moderately young candidates:

- Kloubachar
- Buttigieg
- O'Rourke
- Harris

And of course, you probably shouldn't forget Tulsi Gabbard.

Will one of them have another moment in the sun? Could be. I personally think Buttigieg is the standout, because he's Iowa friendly. But small sums on the others might now be in order.

Scott_P

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1176974846938497024

edmundintokyo

egg said:

On topic. Does Warren still have her barking totally unelectable policy of funding her programme by soaking the rich, where she won’t actually get the money so will never be able to pay for her spending promises?

You mean her 2% wealth tax? I think this is one of her less mad ideas, obviously there would be avoidance but she'd get a chunk.

rottenborough

Foxy said:

egg said:

On topic. Does Warren still have her barking totally unelectable policy of funding her programme by soaking the rich, where she won’t actually get the money so will never be able to pay for her spending promises?

Trumpinomics has demonstrated that debt and unfunded spending commitments are absolutely fine.

Policy is irrelevant. This election will be a referendum on Trump.

rcs1000

edmundintokyo said:

rcs1000 said:

You mean like the Senator from Minnesota?

Come to think of it, yes they'd be wise to pick KLOBUCHAR.

But also Cory Booker, if he can make it through to the next debate. Biden's alliance is moderates and black voters, if that suddenly becomes available it wouldn't hurt to be black as well as moderate(-ish).

My understanding was the Booker was on the verge of withdrawing from the race.

CatMan

Truly a man who will be spoken throughout the ages
https://twitter.com/HannahAlOthman/status/1176972406298173441?s=20

rottenborough

edmundintokyo said:

rcs1000 said:

You mean like the Senator from Minnesota?

Come to think of it, yes they'd be wise to pick KLOBUCHAR.

But also Cory Booker, if he can make it through to the next debate. Biden's alliance is moderates and black voters, if that suddenly becomes available it wouldn't hurt to be black as well as moderate(-ish).

Bloomberg?

Gabs2

egg said:

On topic. Does Warren still have her barking totally unelectable policy of funding her programme by soaking the rich, where she won’t actually get the money so will never be able to pay for her spending promises?

Warren has had her policies vetted by the top academic experts in wealth and equality globally, so they are likely to be accurate. The wealth tax is also only at 2% rates on wealth above $50m, so hardly soaking them.

TheScreamingEagles

Survation

Con 27 (-2)

Lab 24 (nc)

LD 22 (+4)

BXP 16 (-1)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7504983/Most-British-voters-want-snap-poll-think-Establishment-determined-block-Brexit.html

FrancisUrquhart

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1176974846938497024

Where is the ohhhhhhh jeremy corbyn bounce? The PM has just lost a high profile court case and labour have been revealing their amazing new policies...and the only one to benefit is the liberal non-democrats.

Foxy

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1176974846938497024

Broken sleazy Tories on the slide...

edmundintokyo

rcs1000 said:

edmundintokyo said:

rcs1000 said:

You mean like the Senator from Minnesota?

Come to think of it, yes they'd be wise to pick KLOBUCHAR.

But also Cory Booker, if he can make it through to the next debate. Biden's alliance is moderates and black voters, if that suddenly becomes available it wouldn't hurt to be black as well as moderate(-ish).

My understanding was the Booker was on the verge of withdrawing from the race.

So IIUC he sent out a "I have to raise this much or I'm out" email, I'm not sure which of those two will be the result.

ozymandias

FrancisUrquhart said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1176974846938497024

Where is the ohhhhhhh jeremy corbyn bounce?

Its property, land and endowments have been democratically redistributed.

Foxy

FrancisUrquhart said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1176974846938497024

Where is the ohhhhhhh jeremy corbyn bounce? The PM has just lost a high profile court case and labour have been revealing their amazing new policies...and the only one to benefit is the liberal non-democrats.

Swinson has it...and isn't giving it back!

HYUFD

FrancisUrquhart said:

More polling,

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7504983/Most-British-voters-want-snap-poll-think-Establishment-determined-block-Brexit.html

Gold standard Survation tonight has the Tories on 27%, Labour on 24% and the LDs on 22% and the Brexit Party on 16%.

41% think Boris would be the best PM, 21% chose Swinson and just 18% Corbyn.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7504983/Most-British-voters-want-snap-poll-think-Establishment-determined-block-Brexit.html

rottenborough

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1176975585559699459

PeterMannion

Bernie Jenks doing worst interview eva on snoozenight

Byronic

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1176974846938497024

Lib Dems getting ever closer to that tipping point where they become the Opposition, and hoover up Labour votes. If the collapse happens it will happen with astonishing speed, like the fall of the Berlin Wall.

egg

FrancisUrquhart said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1176974846938497024

Where is the ohhhhhhh jeremy corbyn bounce? The PM has just lost a high profile court case and labour have been revealing their amazing new policies...and the only one to benefit is the liberal non-democrats.

Second poll today showing cons -2. Fresh new Tory leader bounce unravelling?

Andy_JS

LDs heading for first place in the polls if this trend continues.

edmundintokyo

rcs1000 said:

- Kloubachar

It's Klobuchar, Kloubachar is the hairy one in Star Wars

Scott_P

https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1176976427788492801

Gallowgate

HYUFD said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

More polling,

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7504983/Most-British-voters-want-snap-poll-think-Establishment-determined-block-Brexit.html

Gold standard Survation tonight has the Tories on 27%, Labour on 24% and the LDs on 22% and the Brexit Party on 16%.

41% think Boris would be the best PM, 21% chose Swinson and just 18% Corbyn.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7504983/Most-British-voters-want-snap-poll-think-Establishment-determined-block-Brexit.html

Populist scum on the slide. Good to see.

Swing to Remain as well. Also good to see.

Scrapheap_as_was

The buffoon is a nasty piece of work too.... As has been asked before.

FrancisUrquhart

Byronic said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1176974846938497024

Lib Dems getting ever closer to that tipping point where they become the Opposition, and hoover up Labour votes. If the collapse happens it will happen with astonishing speed, like the fall of the Berlin Wall.

Still think the lib dems should have stuck to second referendum policy rather than sod the referendum result.

rottenborough

Byronic said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1176974846938497024

Lib Dems getting ever closer to that tipping point where they become the Opposition, and hoover up Labour votes. If the collapse happens it will happen with astonishing speed, like the fall of the Berlin Wall.

Top work at the Labour conference.

another_richard

£3.1billion now:

http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articles/343903/thomas-cook-collapsed-with-deficit-of-over-3-billion

I wonder what the final score will be ?

I suspect the £2.585 billion of goodwill they had in their last accounts might turn out to be not worth that much after all.

Alistair

Trump Press Conferance

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1176972433586315264?s=19

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1176966764317630465?s=19

Cyclefree

Andy_JS said:

All that bringing parliament back achieved was making everyone more angry than they were before.

We have learnt this.

Earlier today the Attorney-General stated that the government would comply with the law.

This evening the Prime Minister said, in response to a question, that he would not.

Either the PM will have to change his mind or the A-G will have to resign.

We are in a very dangerous place when the PM stands up in Parliament and says he will not comply with the law.

Byronic

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1176976427788492801

That will only help Boris. A fucking UK EU Commissioner?? Why does he even exist, the unelected melt.

HYUFD

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1176974846938497024

Electoral calculus gives Tories 278, Labour 241, LDs 66

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/usercode.py?CON=27&LAB=24&LIB=22&Brexit=16&Green=2&UKIP=1&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTBrexit=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2017base

Alistair

If Biden drops really soon would there be enough time for my man Sherrod Brown get back in there to lock up the centrist old white man position?

Byronic

Cyclefree said:

Andy_JS said:

All that bringing parliament back achieved was making everyone more angry than they were before.

We have learnt this.

Earlier today the Attorney-General stated that the government would comply with the law.

This evening the Prime Minister said, in response to a question, that he would not.

Either the PM will have to change his mind or the A-G will have to resign.

We are in a very dangerous place when the PM stands up in Parliament and says he will not comply with the law.

He didn’t say any such thing. He said he wouldn’t ask for an extension. The Surrender Act makes provisos for exactly this, within the law.

rottenborough

Alistair said:

If Biden drops really soon would there be enough time for my man Sherrod Brown get back in there to lock up the centrist old white man position?

I am very green on Brown, so I'm all for it.

another_richard

PeterMannion said:

Bernie Jenks doing worst interview eva on snoozenight

He's got some strong competition to beat.

Pulpstar

another_richard said:

£3.1billion now:

http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articles/343903/thomas-cook-collapsed-with-deficit-of-over-3-billion

I wonder what the final score will be ?

I suspect the £2.585 billion of goodwill they had in their last accounts might turn out to be not worth that much after all.

Goodwill is an intangible asset associated with the purchase of one company by another. Specifically, goodwill is recorded in a situation in which the purchase price is higher than the sum of the fair value of all identifiable tangible and intangible assets purchased in the acquisition and the liabilities assumed in the process. The value of a company’s brand name, solid customer base, good customer relations, good employee relations, and any patents or proprietary technology represent some examples of goodwill.

SouthamObserver

Late to your article Cyclefree. Excellent stuff. Thank-you.

HYUFD

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1176975585559699459

Nothing disgraceful about saying the best way to respect Jo Cox is to unite the country and deliver Brexit

rottenborough

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1176976915992862720

egg

Gabs2 said:

egg said:

On topic. Does Warren still have her barking totally unelectable policy of funding her programme by soaking the rich, where she won’t actually get the money so will never be able to pay for her spending promises?

Warren has had her policies vetted by the top academic experts in wealth and equality globally, so they are likely to be accurate. The wealth tax is also only at 2% rates on wealth above $50m, so hardly soaking them.

😀 but you will not get a penny of tax out of people who are so rich they never pay any tax. So you can’t promise to spend it.

We have seen this tried in the past, Lib Dem’s this side of pond often had campaigns hollowed out by promising nice things with money it was proved they wouldn’t get. I argue 2010 a good example.

As you appear to be defending this policy that will destroy her sounds like she is still wedded to it.

Alistair

rcs1000 said:

I think Elizabeth Warren is now looking a bit on the short side, odds-wise. This race still has a number of turns ahead of it, and I would be extremely surprised if she never traded at longer odds than currently.

So, who's value?

Well, once you eliminate the impossible (Sanders and Yang), then that leaves four moderate, moderately young candidates:

- Kloubachar
- Buttigieg
- O'Rourke
- Harris

And of course, you probably shouldn't forget Tulsi Gabbard.

Will one of them have another moment in the sun? Could be. I personally think Buttigieg is the standout, because he's Iowa friendly. But small sums on the others might now be in order.

You should completely forget Tulsi Gabbard, unless you think Putin is holding back choice dirt on her opponents for a more oppertune time.

Chris

Byronic said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1176974846938497024

Lib Dems getting ever closer to that tipping point where they become the Opposition, and hoover up Labour votes. If the collapse happens it will happen with astonishing speed, like the fall of the Berlin Wall.

They are hoovering up Tory votes at the moment.

Perhaps Boris Johnson's impression of a less competent cross between Trump and Bolsonaro isn't the best vote-winner.

MarqueeMark

TheScreamingEagles said:

Survation

Con 27 (-2)

Lab 24 (nc)

LD 22 (+4)

BXP 16 (-1)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7504983/Most-British-voters-want-snap-poll-think-Establishment-determined-block-Brexit.html

Four point Conference bounce for the LibDems.

From the Labour conference.

Harris_Tweed

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1176974846938497024

Marginally interesting that *both* Con and BXP are down (obvs MOE, trend etc notwithstanding). I’ve previously taken yo-yo’S between them as showing fairly stable support for some sort of Brexit. But given the growth isn’t even with the fence-sitter in chief (ie Corbyn), that’s a trend to watch.

CatMan

HYUFD said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1176975585559699459

Nothing disgraceful about saying the best way to respect Jo Cox is to unite the country and deliver Brexit

How does a No Deal Brexit "Unite" the country?

glw

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1176975585559699459

The very idea that Boris Johnson was fit for a role that requires "serious responsibility" is laughable. Everyboy knows this, even his biggest cheerleaders know it. BoJo is proving to be every bit as bad at the job as I expected. The only thing that is perhaps surprising is the behaviour of the supine morons who surround him, some of them should know better.

FrancisUrquhart

Boris 35% strategy not so looking good.

At this rate, we will be stuck in the same loop as this evening for another 5 years.

Gallowgate

HYUFD said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1176975585559699459

Nothing disgraceful about saying the best way to respect Jo Cox is to unite the country and deliver Brexit

Take a look at yourself.

HYUFD

If Boris fails to get a new Brexit Deal by 31st October 49% of voters say we should leave without a Deal and 43% say we should extend again.

74% of Tory voters back No Deal, 67% of Labour voters back further extension

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7504983/Most-British-voters-want-snap-poll-think-Establishment-determined-block-Brexit.html

edmundintokyo

Byronic said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1176974846938497024

Lib Dems getting ever closer to that tipping point where they become the Opposition, and hoover up Labour votes. If the collapse happens it will happen with astonishing speed, like the fall of the Berlin Wall.

Where the children of tomorrow share their dreams

Sadly I think the party brands are pretty deeply embedded, I doubt the flippening would be worth more than a few points, at least in the short term.

ozymandias

Sorry to post this but something just came into my mind. Didn’t Cummings say a couple of weeks ago something along the lines of “Things will happen in the coming weeks that’ll make opponents melt”. Something like that.

Anyway without being all tin foil hatted about it, well, there is now a lot of melting going on. Don’t know. Just seemed a prescient thing to say. And yes I know about 5D chess etc etc. And no I don’t think it’s all planned. Well not all of it.

rottenborough

CatMan said:

HYUFD said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1176975585559699459

Nothing disgraceful about saying the best way to respect Jo Cox is to unite the country and deliver Brexit

How does a No Deal Brexit "Unite" the country?

It'll unite the country into thinking Johnson was an reckless idiot.

Pulpstar

I know Warren is doing well in the polls at the moment, and yes I have backed her but where's the evidence that Biden is imminently going to drop out ?

TheScreamingEagles

Scrapheap_as_was said:

The buffoon is a nasty piece of work too.... As has been asked before.

Johnny Mercer has also proven to be a tool of the highest order.

https://twitter.com/JohnnyMercerUK/status/1176962917658443777

Cannot believe I used to have a mancrush on him.

egg

HYUFD said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1176975585559699459

Nothing disgraceful about saying the best way to respect Jo Cox is to unite the country and deliver Brexit

But everything he is doing and saying is deliberately polarising the country in his self interest. ‘The surrender bill’ etc that’s the point.

HYUFD

rcs1000 said:

edmundintokyo said:

rcs1000 said:

You mean like the Senator from Minnesota?

Come to think of it, yes they'd be wise to pick KLOBUCHAR.

But also Cory Booker, if he can make it through to the next debate. Biden's alliance is moderates and black voters, if that suddenly becomes available it wouldn't hurt to be black as well as moderate(-ish).

My understanding was the Booker was on the verge of withdrawing from the race.

He also has a lot of rumours about his private life

Alistair

HYUFD said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1176975585559699459

Nothing disgraceful about saying the best way to respect Jo Cox is to unite the country and deliver Brexit

Think long and hard about what your defending.

Your pro-Conservative Party zealotry and poll mangling is amusing but this is contemptible.

Byronic

FrancisUrquhart said:

Byronic said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1176974846938497024

Lib Dems getting ever closer to that tipping point where they become the Opposition, and hoover up Labour votes. If the collapse happens it will happen with astonishing speed, like the fall of the Berlin Wall.

Still think the lib dems should have stuck to second referendum policy rather than sod the referendum result.

Confession: brexit is now such a nightmare, a small but significant part of me wants the Lib Dems to sweep to an incredible but overwhelming victory, consigning Corbyn to history, and revoking Brexit. Then they can quietly govern us for 20 years with tediously sensible centrist policies with a slightly green tinge. I don’t care. Just make it all GO AWAY.

I know this is a fevered day dream. I know that Revoke risks serious civil strife. But that’s what I fear: serious civil strife. Both sides are equally guilty. Both sides are whipping it up.

Dear sweet Jo Swinson, with your mild Scottish vowels. Save us.

HYUFD

Alistair said:

HYUFD said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1176975585559699459

Nothing disgraceful about saying the best way to respect Jo Cox is to unite the country and deliver Brexit

Think long and hard about what your defending.

Your pro-Conservative Party zealotry and poll mangling is amusing but this is contemptible.

There is nothing contemptible about defending the will of the people and I will never apologise for doing so

alex.

I hope the Lib Dem’s are putting in some serious work into their candidate selection in some of their more unlikely gains. Because having bonkers candidates further down their lists in their biggest obstacle to making massive gains at a General election.

another_richard

Pulpstar said:

another_richard said:

£3.1billion now:

http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articles/343903/thomas-cook-collapsed-with-deficit-of-over-3-billion

I wonder what the final score will be ?

I suspect the £2.585 billion of goodwill they had in their last accounts might turn out to be not worth that much after all.

Goodwill is an intangible asset associated with the purchase of one company by another. Specifically, goodwill is recorded in a situation in which the purchase price is higher than the sum of the fair value of all identifiable tangible and intangible assets purchased in the acquisition and the liabilities assumed in the process. The value of a company’s brand name, solid customer base, good customer relations, good employee relations, and any patents or proprietary technology represent some examples of goodwill.

Sure but at the moment everything associated with Thomas Cook is going down the pan.

Which leaves actual assets with their value in pound notes and actual liabilities with their value in pound notes.

OblitusSumMe

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1176976915992862720

It really is true. Everyone does have their breaking point.

We are through the looking glass now.

HYUFD

egg said:

HYUFD said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1176975585559699459

Nothing disgraceful about saying the best way to respect Jo Cox is to unite the country and deliver Brexit

But everything he is doing and saying is deliberately polarising the country in his self interest. ‘The surrender bill’ etc that’s the point.

It is a 'surrender bill' Boris was simply stating the facts, even if diehard Remainers dislike it, tough

Chris

MarqueeMark said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Survation

Con 27 (-2)

Lab 24 (nc)

LD 22 (+4)

BXP 16 (-1)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7504983/Most-British-voters-want-snap-poll-think-Establishment-determined-block-Brexit.html

Four point Conference bounce for the LibDems.

From the Labour conference.

That would be why the Tories have dropped two points and Labour has stayed the same, I suppose.

Propaganda has to have some basic plausibility to be effective.

egg

HYUFD said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1176974846938497024

Electoral calculus gives Tories 278, Labour 241, LDs 66

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/usercode.py?CON=27&LAB=24&LIB=22&Brexit=16&Green=2&UKIP=1&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTBrexit=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2017base

2nd Lib Dem Tory coalition.

Particularly more right wing than the last one.

PeterMannion

Byronic said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1176976427788492801

That will only help Boris. A fucking UK EU Commissioner?? Why does he even exist, the unelected melt.

I dunno, but he's PM anyway

Kevin_McCandless

Back to the topic... Weird. We're not there yet but even with all the competition, Warren is getting closer to the coronation march that Clinton so fervently wanted.

SouthamObserver

I am currently in the US. This Trump/Ukraine story is totally dominating the airwaves. Johnson has very deliberately chosen to stand as close as possible to the US President. That may turn out to be yet another very poor decision.

Cyclefree

Byronic said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1176976427788492801

That will only help Boris. A fucking UK EU Commissioner?? Why does he even exist, the unelected melt.

Of course. Shoot the messenger. Don’t bother listening to the message.

What will it take - another act of violence - for Boris and his fans to step back? Please God, no.

Gallowgate

HYUFD said:

egg said:

HYUFD said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1176975585559699459

Nothing disgraceful about saying the best way to respect Jo Cox is to unite the country and deliver Brexit

But everything he is doing and saying is deliberately polarising the country in his self interest. ‘The surrender bill’ etc that’s the point.

It is a 'surrender bill' Boris was simply stating the facts, even if diehard Remainers dislike it, tough

Boris seems to be surrendering to Parliament quite a lot recently.

Pulpstar

another_richard said:

Pulpstar said:

another_richard said:

£3.1billion now:

http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articles/343903/thomas-cook-collapsed-with-deficit-of-over-3-billion

I wonder what the final score will be ?

I suspect the £2.585 billion of goodwill they had in their last accounts might turn out to be not worth that much after all.

Goodwill is an intangible asset associated with the purchase of one company by another. Specifically, goodwill is recorded in a situation in which the purchase price is higher than the sum of the fair value of all identifiable tangible and intangible assets purchased in the acquisition and the liabilities assumed in the process. The value of a company’s brand name, solid customer base, good customer relations, good employee relations, and any patents or proprietary technology represent some examples of goodwill.

Sure but at the moment everything associated with Thomas Cook is going down the pan.

Which leaves actual assets with their value in pound notes and actual liabilities with their value in pound notes.

Oh yeah they were massively underwater for sure, apologies that was my point

RobD

Chris said:

MarqueeMark said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Survation

Con 27 (-2)

Lab 24 (nc)

LD 22 (+4)

BXP 16 (-1)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7504983/Most-British-voters-want-snap-poll-think-Establishment-determined-block-Brexit.html

Four point Conference bounce for the LibDems.

From the Labour conference.

That would be why the Tories have dropped two points and Labour has stayed the same, I suppose.

Propaganda has to have some basic plausibility to be effective.

It could also be a lag between event and change in the polls. Corbyn might get a boost next week.

egg

HYUFD said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1176974846938497024

Electoral calculus gives Tories 278, Labour 241, LDs 66

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/usercode.py?CON=27&LAB=24&LIB=22&Brexit=16&Green=2&UKIP=1&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTBrexit=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2017base

Can I just say, if there were an election tomorrow , Thursday, those totals you have quoted is exactly what I would expect to wake up to Friday morning.

SouthamObserver

Blimey ...
https://twitter.com/dpjhodges/status/1176976915992862720?s=21